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[12:57] <Valandil> hi all :-)
[02:35] <fabbione> shawarma: ping?
[02:44] <shawarma> pong
[02:44] <fabbione> shawarma: i will be at e2e the 15th
[02:44] <fabbione> of Dec of course
[02:44] <shawarma> Yeah, at two o'clock, right?
[02:45] <fabbione> yeps
[02:45] <fabbione> till 4 or something
[02:45] <fabbione> i have the plane back at hm...
[02:45] <fabbione> 18:35
[02:45] <fabbione> so i need to be at the airport ~17:30
[02:46] <fabbione> remember to take your finger print and a document
[02:46] <fabbione> we will do little key signing there
[02:46] <shawarma> Hardly. It's a very small airport. They usually require you to be there 30 minutes before take-off.
[02:46] <shawarma> And it's quite close to the city.
[02:46] <fabbione> yes it's 15minutes y taxi from e2e
[02:46] <shawarma> Right.
[02:47] <fabbione> but i rather be there a bit early than having to rush and worry
[02:47] <shawarma> Sure.
[02:47] <fabbione> i hate really hard to be in a hurry
[02:47] <fabbione> it stresses me a lot
[02:47] <shawarma> Me too.
[02:48] <shawarma> Well, I'm looking forward.
[02:48] <fabbione> so ma i
[02:48] <fabbione> am i
[02:48] <shawarma> Is it still just an informal chat about ubuntu stuff or have you figured out more specifically what it's about?
[02:48] <fabbione> it's still informal chat
[02:48] <shawarma> All right.
[02:49] <fabbione> i will give a 10/15 minutes introduction or something
[02:49] <fabbione> but after that i want it to be informal
[02:49] <fabbione> i hate slides as much as some guys there do
[02:50] <shawarma> LOL
[02:51] <fabbione> i might take something with me.. we will see
[02:52] <shawarma> Uh.
[02:53] <fabbione> i have breezy CD's and some stickers ;)
[02:58] <shawarma> Uh, those stickers that I've seen on the pictures from ubz?
[02:58] <fabbione> the one for laptops
[02:58] <shawarma> exactly.
[02:58] <shawarma> Uh... Nice!
[02:59] <fabbione> yeah i have about 10 i thnk
[02:59] <fabbione> i think
[02:59] <fabbione> not many
[02:59] <fabbione> but i have Cd's
[02:59] <fabbione> plenty
[03:00] <shawarma> Yeah, me too.
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[03:41] <spike> hi there
[04:13] <Valandil> hi spike
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[05:51] <Pygi> Hi hi
[05:51] <spike> hi Pygi
[05:52] <Pygi> what's goin' on in this channel? not much discussion right now, huh? :P
[05:53] <spike> Pygi: lucky man, I had to wait 30 minutes for an "hi" ;)
[05:53] <spike> u've got urs in 13 sec
[05:53] <spike> :P
[05:54] <Pygi> ah :)
[05:54] <Pygi> thanks :)
[05:54] <spike> Pygi: it depends I guess, yesterday I got a few questions answered and a nice discussion about what's going on
[05:54] <Pygi> Ah, I know :P
[05:55] <Pygi> there was some discussion goin' on about instant-server project almost every day, but it seems that...
[05:55] <Pygi> hm..
[05:55] <Pygi> I won't say nothin' :)
[05:55] <spike> what?
[05:55] <spike> what's instant-server?
[05:55] <Pygi> nothin', nothin' :)
[05:56] <Pygi> wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuInstantServer
[05:57] <spike> ah, didnt know of that
[05:57] <spike> sounds like CDD
[05:57] <Pygi> ah, well...
[05:58] <Pygi> I don't know what will come out of that....
[05:59] <spike> umh, well, I don't see how that is related to ubuntu-server, at least with my understanding of it
[06:00] <spike> ubuntu-server should be ubuntu for sysadmins, instant-servers sounds like ubuntu-desktop+networ services for newbies
[06:00] <Pygi> ah, I wouldn't like to talk about that project because I might say somethin' wrong, 'cause I left that project
[06:00] <spike> I don't care about wizards and stuff, I care about packages, dependences like the X one removed (which is the case) and so son
[06:01] <spike> selinux integration, blablbalba
[06:01] <Pygi> ah, well :)
[06:01] <spike> that's not little :)
[06:02] <Pygi> can you gimme suggestion for multi-platform graphical toolkit? :)
[06:02] <Pygi> yup, I know it's not little :)
[06:02] <spike> wxPython?
[06:02] <Pygi> ah, I wrote somethin' wrong :P
[06:02] <Pygi> multi-platform graphical toolkit name? :P
[06:03] <Pygi> ergh, I am makin' a toolkit
[06:03] <Pygi> I need a name ;)
[06:03] <spike> aaaaah
[06:03] <spike> ahaha
[06:04] <Pygi> ;)
[06:04] <spike> do you want something serious or not? ie, mpGT
[06:04] <spike> that would be easy to remember, expand, print,whatever
[06:04] <Pygi> mp means what? :P
[06:04] <Pygi> ah
[06:04] <spike> multi-platform ;)
[06:04] <Pygi> multi-platform :)
[06:05] <Pygi> gee, cloning my words :P
[06:05] <Pygi> I was thinking of CoconutToolkit :P
[06:05] <Pygi> but that's no good :P
[06:05] <spike> see my question above, do you want something serious or not?
[06:05] <spike> CoconutToolkit says nothing about what sort of toolkit that is
[06:05] <Pygi> yes, I know
[06:06] <Pygi> QT doesn't say nothing either
[06:06] <spike> sure
[06:06] <Pygi> It can be any kind of name
[06:06] <Pygi> doesn't really have to be "serious" name
[06:07] <spike> guess "Medusa" is taken
[06:07] <spike> the mean would been a difference face for Os
[06:07] <spike> because it's multi-platform
[06:08] <spike> so there's a center library, the main face, and stuff to make it works on any other OS (the other faces)
[06:09] <Pygi> ah
[06:10] <Pygi> thanks for suggestions :)
[06:14] <neuralis> Pygi: dude, i seriously don't understand you. you go from reinventing the wheel on one project to reinventing the wheel on the next.
[06:15] <neuralis> Pygi: why on _earth_ do you want to make another graphics toolkit?
[06:18] <Pygi> I ain't reinventing wheel on nothin'
[06:18] <Pygi> I'll just use that for my own project
[06:18] <Pygi> nothin' else
[06:18] <Pygi> btw. I tried suggesting using tasksel...
[06:19] <Pygi> that ubuntu-instant server won't go nowhere...
[06:20] <Pygi> and if you have _ so_ good ideas, tell me what to do not to reinvent the wheel :P
[06:21] <neuralis> whether i have good ideas has nothing to do with whether you keep trying to reinvent the wheel :)
[06:22] <neuralis> is there a particular feature that you need, and that stops you from being able to use existing toolkits?
[06:22] <Pygi> I would like the app to be able to run on MacOS, which GTK+ doesn't provide, and I don't want to use QT
[06:23] <Pygi> that's just one of reasons
[06:23] <Pygi> but nevermind
[06:23] <Pygi> you see sometimes a better wheel can be invented :)
[06:23] <Pygi> more effective and things :)
[06:24] <troy> Pygi: qt is really good though :/
[06:25] <Pygi> yes, but I don't like there licence thingy
[06:25] <troy> why not? it's GPL on all three major platforms with QT4...
[06:25] <Pygi> yes, I know...
[06:25] <troy> people used to complain that it wasn't GPL, and now that it is, people still complain *sigh*
[06:26] <neuralis> troy: he just really wants to roll his own, so the arguments are sort of pointless ;)
[06:26] <Pygi> neuralis: not true :/
[06:27] <troy> plus, PyQT is really good for rapid prototyping too, since you like python
[06:27] <neuralis> Pygi: actually, a nearly complete OS X port of gtk just became available a few days ago, there's always wxwidgets, and i believe mono provides transparent x-platform gui compatibility.
[06:28] <Pygi> neuralis: I looked at OS X ports, but found none good :/ Url maybe?
[06:28] <Pygi> and the app will be written in C++, not python this time
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[06:28] <troy> ah, then QT should really be an option
[06:29] <neuralis> Pygi: wxwidgets?
[06:30] <Pygi> neuralis: never used it
[06:30] <Pygi> but, oh, well...
[06:30] <Pygi> I'll have to choose something so...
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[06:30] <neuralis> Pygi: http://developer.imendio.com/wiki/Gtk_Mac_OS_X
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[06:31] <troy> writing your own toolkit is a big deal, and you'd probably spend three years just getting it to a usable on a single platform
[06:31] <neuralis> Pygi: i couldn't care less -- it's your free time, not mine.
[06:31] <neuralis> Pygi: but graphical toolkits are a *bear* to write decently.
[06:32] <Pygi> yes, yes, I know
[06:33] <neuralis> Pygi: why did you stop working on instant-server?
[06:33] <Pygi> because...no one else then me (troy and some others gave suggestions tho) wanted to work nothin0
[06:33] <Pygi> I was mostly on my own
[06:35] <neuralis> a lot of projects are exactly like that until you generate some momentum. this is not necessarily a bad thing.
[06:36] <troy> we didn't have a line of code down amongst the group yet either
[06:36] <troy> code is important
[06:37] <neuralis> Pygi: besides, instant-server is a very simple project; i'd say it doesn't take more than one determined hacker to do it.
[06:38] <Pygi> neuralis: I never said it's not a simple project...
[06:38] <Pygi> I just said that none want to work on it
[06:38] <Pygi> everyone would like to have everythin' on plate
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[06:40] <troy> oh oh oh! thanksgiving in my southern neighbour means afternoon games today!
[06:41] <Pygi> :)
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[11:19] <spike> hi
[11:22] <Valandil> hi spike
[11:22] <Valandil> :-)
[11:23] <spike> eeeeeeh!
[11:23] <spike> :)
[11:23] <Valandil> ?
[11:23] <Valandil> :-D
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[11:24] <spike> am I still here?
[11:24] <Valandil> why?
[11:24] <spike> ok
[11:25] <spike> a girl just passed and stepped into the AP
[11:25] <Valandil> wifi?
[11:25] <spike> wireless
[11:25] <Valandil> ah :-)
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[11:26] <spike> cabling isnt that good atm, it's been an on-the-fly setup :)
[11:26] <spike> Valandil: get to live in a 3 floors house and u;ll like it :0
[11:26] <Valandil> I see :-)
[11:26] <Valandil> But we have enough electromagnetism in here ;-)
[11:26] <spike> Valandil: if I had to cable cable this place I'd got crazy
[11:27] <Valandil> spike: could be, but I try to keep emv low as possible in here
[11:27] <Valandil> because of my little daughter
[11:31] <spike> I don't mind, I'll die of cancer anyway :P
[11:41] <Valandil> hmmm
[11:43] <spike> Vonnegut rocks
[11:43] <Valandil> Vonnegut?
[11:43] <spike> Kurt Vonnegut
[11:43] <Valandil> oops
[11:43] <spike> gets cat's cradle
[11:43] <Valandil> sorry, it's late
[11:44] <spike> late?
[11:44] <spike> where are u from?
[11:44] <Valandil> japp, here it's late
[11:44] <Valandil> germany
[11:45] <Valandil> here it's quater to 12
[11:45] <Valandil> and weekdays my clock rings at 6 am
[11:45] <Valandil> so 12 is quite late
[11:46] <spike> I c
[11:46] <Valandil> and You?
[11:46] <Valandil> where are You from?
[11:46] <spike> just moved to uk :)
[11:46] <Valandil> ah :-) from where?
[11:46] <spike> .it
[11:46] <Valandil> oh :)
[11:47] <Valandil> I never been there
[11:47] <spike> going to CCC in dec?
[11:48] <Valandil> I don't think so... no money, no time, no energy anymore
[11:48] <Valandil> life is a little ...
[11:48] <Valandil> ... stange theese dasy
[11:49] <Valandil> s/stange/strange
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[11:52] <Valandil> OK, going to bed... good n8
[11:53] <spike> night
[11:53] <spike> ops