[12:11] <Lord_Athur> hi!, my name is Alejandro, I've been here a lot of times but now
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> I'd like to be a member of the edubuntu community, what should I do?
[12:14] <Lord_Athur> is there anyone?
[12:20] <Lord_Athur> 
[12:25] <Lord_Athur> the web of edubuntu says that you'd like new members
[12:26] <Lord_Athur> is this truth?
[12:30] <Lord_Athur> won't anybody answer me?
[12:30] <bdoin> too late, the leaders are probably asleep.
[12:30] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[12:31] <Lord_Athur> bdoin, what time is it in your country?
[12:31] <bdoin> I am in france and it's 24:30
[12:31] <bdoin> in south africa, it should be the same or later
[12:32] <Lord_Athur> ooo
[12:32] <Lord_Athur> is not the time in my country
[12:32] <Lord_Athur> I'm in the south of America
[12:32] <Lord_Athur> and in is 20:32
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> I think that this explain everything
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:33] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hola
[12:33] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> hola
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:34] <mhz> hehe
[12:34] <mhz> dia viernes, a esta hora... normalmente te psasara esto
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> creo que no me fij en eso
[12:34] <mhz> pero puedes hacer ping a quien necesites
[12:34] <bdoin> bye*
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> adems no soy muy bueno en el ingls
[12:34] <mhz> bdoin: bye
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> bye bd
[12:34] <mhz> Lord_Athur: no problem
[12:34] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:35] <mhz> Lord_Athur: como puedo ayudarte?
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> mhz, de donde eres?
[12:35] <mhz> Chile
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[12:35] <mhz> y tu?
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> tambin
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> santiago
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> bueno, tengo 15 aos y estoy con la distribucin ubuntu
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> y estoy instalando edubuntu
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> pero quisiera participar activamente
[12:36] <mhz> bienvenido!
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> gracias
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:36] <mhz> iras manana al CDSL?
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> no tena idea de ese evento
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:36] <mhz> Por que deseas usar edubuntu?
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> eso te demuestra mi falta de informacin
[12:37] <mhz> Lord_Athur: ojala puedas ir
[12:37] <mhz> Lord_Athur: muchas veces no nos enteramos pues hay MUCHO sucediendo
[12:37] <Lord_Athur> porque soy estudiante y simpatizo con las herramientas tecnolgicas que tienen que ver con la educacin
[12:37] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:38] <Lord_Athur> adems me gustan los ordenadores
[12:38] <Lord_Athur> pero no los juegos que ellos tengan, ms bien sus sistemas operativos y programas
[12:40] <Lord_Athur> y tambin creo que elinteractuar con trosen ingls me puede acercar ms a Ubuntu y su espritu
[12:41] <Lord_Athur> mhz, tienes Edubuntu, verdad?
[12:41] <mhz> sip
[12:41] <mhz> Lord_Athur: en edubuntu ay mucho por hacer
[12:42] <mhz> hay
[12:43] <Lord_Athur> eso creo
[12:43] <Lord_Athur> a pesar de tener buenas intenciones...
[12:44] <Lord_Athur> creo q para haer una presentacin en una sala de clases debe exister edubuntu-live
[12:44] <Lord_Athur> en mi liceo no dejan hacer intervenciones a los sistemas operativos
[12:44] <Lord_Athur> y por ende edubuntu no presta un servicio muy bueno en ese sentido
[12:45] <mhz> lo mismo digo, pero de haber -es muy probable- solo sera descargable
[12:45] <Lord_Athur> si
[12:45] <mhz> donde estudias?
[12:45] <Lord_Athur> Liceo Lastarria, de providencia
[12:45] <mhz> y hay mas gente que use GnuLinux?
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> eso creo
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> de hecho hay bastantes estudiantes
[12:46] <mhz> Lord_Athur: para ser "miembro" de cualquier equipo, debes decidir:
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> pero no parece haber una sincronizacin entre nosotros
[12:46] <Lord_Athur> dime
[12:46] <mhz> a) sere voluntario de vez en cuando cuando en vez
[12:47] <mhz> b) sere voluntario y aceptare objetivos
[12:47] <mhz> c) sere voluntario y fanatico evangelizador
[12:47] <Lord_Athur> prefiero C
[12:47] <mhz> dpendiendo de la que escojas es la forma
[12:47] <mhz> PERFECTO!
[12:47] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:48] <mhz> enonces, visita LaunchPad, crea un usuario, con el podras editar cualquier pagina en Ubuntu
[12:48] <Lord_Athur> creo tener ya un usuario
[12:48] <mhz> teniendo cuenta en LP, podras sumarte a los equipos oficiales
[12:48] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:48] <mhz> presionando +join link
[12:49] <mhz> Idealmente, escribe un resumen de tus expectativas y contribuciones
[12:49] <mhz> en tu home page del wiki y de LP
[12:49] <mhz> y seras aprobado por c/leader de equipo
[12:50] <Lord_Athur> ok
[12:50] <mhz> en tu wiki, incluye tus objetivos
[12:51] <mhz> basicamente, en estas comunidades se valora mucho los compromisos realizados con exito, los intentos y las caidas. Valoramos mucho la contribucion, la opinion y el espiritu de participar para mejorar
[12:51] <Lord_Athur> es entonces el tipo de comunidad en la que quiero ingresar
[12:52] <mhz> Yo, el martes 22 recien fui aceptado como miembro "oficial" de la comunidad ubuntu. (creo que soy aun el unico chileno y latinoamericano en esa categoria). Claro que sucedio despues de casi 6 meses de bastante trabajo
[12:52] <Lord_Athur> tendr que escribir objetivos en ingls?
[12:52] <Lord_Athur> felicidades
[12:52] <mhz> no necesariamente
[12:52] <mhz> muchas gracias
[12:53] <mhz> Lord_Athur: dentro de mis objetivos es la administarcion de una mailing-list en castelano para edubuntu
[12:53] <mhz> ahora, siendo miembro oficial, puedo hacerlo
[12:53] <Lord_Athur> vaya yo creo estan en unas 5 mailing list de buntu
[12:53] <Lord_Athur> digo ubuntu
[12:54] <mhz> sino, hubieramos dependido de que alguno de los espanoles para ello (y de momento no se han presentado en este proyecto)
[12:54] <Lord_Athur> cuenta para eso conmigo
[12:54] <mhz> gracias!
[12:54] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:55] <mhz> de momento, en edubuntu, de vez en cuando viene arkan0x y pitux
[12:55] <mhz> ambos de Chile
[12:55] <mhz> arkan0x es del CDSL (y estudiante univ. de la chile)
[12:55] <Lord_Athur> CDSL???
[12:55] <mhz> pitux es estudiante de la USACH
[12:55] <mhz> www.cdsl.cl
[12:56] <mhz> yo, soy miembro de www.tecnocimiento.cl
[12:56] <mhz> y pitux cordina www.matematicaslibre.cl
[12:57] <Lord_Athur> que bien
[12:57] <mhz> cando seas miembro oficial, (habiendo sido sujeto de invitacion y evaluacion del CommunityCouncil) puedes hacerte cargo de responsabilidades en distintos desarrollos (comunitarios o tecnicos)
[12:57] <mhz> de lo contrario, para liderar algun proyecto deberas tener una especie de padrino
[12:58] <mhz> como te dije, donde quieras llegar, como todo en la vida, depende de ti solamente.
[12:58] <Lord_Athur> sip , es verdad
[12:58] <mhz> por mi parte, me engorgullece muchisimo que seas otro chileno en este "voluntariado por mejorar las cosas"
[12:59] <Lord_Athur> gracias
[12:59] <Lord_Athur> donde me dijiste que creara la pgina de inicio?
[12:59] <mhz> al menos, en este canal, la preocupacion principal son dos: desarrollo y soporte edubuntu y la otra: generacion de comunidades educativa
[12:59] <Lord_Athur> ya acabo de hacer mi usuario LP
[12:59] <mhz> tanto en launchpad como en el wiki
[01:01] <mhz> te doy referencias: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez y https://launchpad.net/people/mhz
[01:01] <mhz> Lord_Athur: debo encargarme de la cena :(
[01:01] <mhz> vuelvo como en 50 minutos
[01:02] <mhz> estaras?
[01:02] <mhz> podras ir al CDSL manana para la install fest?
[01:02] <Lord_Athur> sip
[01:02] <mhz> genial!
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> pestan en la web las especificaciones?
[01:03] <mhz> nos vemos al rato
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> direcciones y todo
[01:03] <mhz> sip
[01:03] <mhz> sip
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> bien
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> te espero
[01:03] <mhz> de todos modos, probablemente arkan0x esta por llegar aca
[01:03] <Lord_Athur> bye
[01:34] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:46] <zakame> greetz Lord_Athur 
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> zakame hello
[01:54] <Lord_Athur> :)
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> hey
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> zakame, 
[01:58] <Lord_Athur> I've instaled edubuntu from ubuntu 
[01:59] <Lord_Athur> but when this starts I can see "ubuntu" instead of "edubuntu"
[01:59] <Lord_Athur> what does this mean?
[02:00] <zakame> hmmm, edubuntu comes from ubuntu, after all :)
[02:01] <Lord_Athur> yes
[02:02] <Lord_Athur> but in my father's computer edubuntu says edubuntu (not ubuntu)
[02:03] <zakame> was your computer a new edubuntu install, or an upgrade?
[02:04] <Lord_Athur> the computer of my father and mine are upgrade
[02:05] <Lord_Athur> I've installed this with apt-get
[02:06] <zakame> where do you see this? on the login screen?
[02:06] <Lord_Athur> not
[02:07] <Lord_Athur> in the screen but after of boot and before the login screen
[02:07] <Lord_Athur> :)
[02:07] <zakame> in grub?
[02:08] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[02:08] <Lord_Athur> si
[02:08] <Lord_Athur> 
[02:28] <arkan0x> mhz_dinner, ping !
[02:28] <arkan0x> mhz_dinner, ping !
[02:28] <arkan0x> mhz, ping
[02:28] <mhz> pon
[02:28] <mhz> pong
[02:29] <arkan0x> ya
[02:29] <mhz> arkan0x: Lord_Athur es chileno!
[02:29] <arkan0x> tell me
[02:29] <arkan0x> hi Lord_Athur !
[02:29] <arkan0x> how are you ? Lord_Athur xD
[02:29] <arkan0x> mhz, tell me 
[02:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: maybe if you reboot, you'll see edubuntu
[02:30] <Lord_Athur> hi arkan0x 
[02:30] <Lord_Athur> I've done it mhz 
[02:30] <mhz> arkan0x: para el installfest, probablemente tendremos cobertura de chilevision
[02:30] <Lord_Athur> but this does not change
[02:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hmmm
[02:30] <arkan0x> mhz, duh !
[02:30] <Lord_Athur> 
[02:31] <mhz> Lord_Athur: y tu /etc/apt/source.list, que tiene comentado?
[02:31] <arkan0x> mhz, pero es confirmado ? avisaste pala lista ?
[02:31] <mhz> no todavia, prefiero que sea sorpresa por si acaso
[02:31] <arkan0x> mhz, yo no prefiero que sea sorpresa
[02:31] <mhz> por que?
[02:31] <arkan0x> pq tu sabes como estan las cosas
[02:32] <mhz> no?
[02:32] <arkan0x> mhz, yo dejaria eso pa la feria de tecn libres
[02:32] <arkan0x> onda un reportaje/nota de ubuntu/edubuntu
[02:32] <mhz> ahhh, bueno, es que el tipo queria ver edubuntu trabajando
[02:32] <arkan0x> mhz, oks
[02:32] <mhz> y ademas queria ver el el installfest
[02:32] <arkan0x> okis
[02:33] <mhz> entonces pense que era mejor matar 2 pajaros de un tiro
[02:33] <arkan0x> igual avisa pala lista 
[02:33] <mhz> okey
[02:33] <arkan0x> mhz, manana llegas como alas 10-11?
[02:33] <Lord_Athur> a que lista se refieren?
[02:33] <mhz> a la del cdsl
[02:33] <mhz> arkan0x: sip
[02:33] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, www.cdsl.cl
[02:33] <arkan0x> mhz, rlz
[02:33] <mhz> arkan0x: y te puedo enviar el papel?
[02:34] <arkan0x> mhz, al mail
[02:34] <mhz> demas, pero alcanzaras a imprimirlo?
[02:34] <arkan0x> osea , si es una pagina ,claro , imprimo por30
[02:34] <mhz> ooo
[02:34] <arkan0x> si es algo mas cuatico
[02:34] <arkan0x> depende
[02:34] <arkan0x> mhz, tengo laser b/n
[02:35] <mhz> te propongo lo siguiente (estaba trabajndo en las tarjetas de tc)
[02:35] <mhz> dejame pegarle la repasada al papel de ubuntu y te lo mando en 30 mins?
[02:35] <arkan0x> okz
[02:35] <mhz> gracias!
[02:35] <mhz> arkan0x: oye..
[02:35] <arkan0x> mhz, oigo
[02:35] <mhz> que crees que seria lo problemeatico respecto a chilevision?
[02:37] <arkan0x> que el cdsl no es un ente representativo del software libre en chile , osea se pretende eso , pero como que siento que todavia no tenemos un piso ,osea en chile no siento que alguna agrupacion sea representativa ..
[02:37] <arkan0x> pero como pa salir en la tele
[02:37] <arkan0x> es como mucha carne pa gato chico
[02:37] <arkan0x> quizas en el cdsl piensan que es bacan
[02:37] <mhz> arkan0x: y eso seria negativo? que pasa si con eso llega mas gente de "verdad" a colaborar?
[02:37] <arkan0x> pero esa es mi vision
[02:38] <arkan0x> mhz, puede ser
[02:38] <mhz> arkan0x: totalmente de acuerdo
[02:38] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, me registr en cdsl pero el e-mail que reciv esta vaco
[02:38] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, ?? , yap deja revisar
[02:38] <Lord_Athur> gracias
[02:38] <mhz> arkan0x: y se vera mal si chilevision va pa  una nota sobre ubuntu? me refiero, se vera mal que sea en el CDSL?
[02:39] <arkan0x> mhz,  nu
[02:39] <arkan0x> mhz, pero bueno , ojala que resulte bien y ke se haga mas difusion
[02:40] <mhz> ah, entonces mejor que sea sorpresa. Asi, si llega el tipo y la camara, genial! y en el cdsl se dan cuenta que estamos haciendo las cosas con mas ganas. Si no llega... nunca hubo dano :)
[02:40] <arkan0x> mhz, esque siento ese temor , pq la gente que conozco del mundo SL en chile , pa ellos el cdsl como nu pasa na
[02:40] <arkan0x> mhz,  demas 
[02:40] <mhz> ni un problema
[02:40] <mhz> arkan0x: por eso siempre trato de que hagamos cosas juntos. Se que tu SI haces las cosas.
[02:41] <mhz> y me da lata que te desgastes porque otros no dan la talla
[02:41] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, mhz, esto me suele pasar al adherirme a una lista o algo parecido, ser un problema de mi mail?
[02:41] <mhz> o sea, concuerdo en que es necesario hacer las cosas porque te das cuenta que es necesario, y que si uno no lo hace... entonces quien?
[02:41] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, quieres un mail gmail ?
[02:42] <mhz> Lord_Athur: enviame un mail a mhz@tecnocimiento.cl
[02:42] <mhz> Lord_Athur: o un gmail es seguro sin problemas
[02:42] <Lord_Athur> ok
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> entonces usar mi cuenta gmail
[02:43] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, a ok
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> :)
[02:43] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, pero no te registres de nuevo
[02:43] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, te cambio la passwd yo
[02:43] <arkan0x> y te la envio
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> ok
[02:43] <Lord_Athur> te doy mi mail por privado?
[02:57] <Lord_Athur> gracias arkan0x 
[02:58] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, eres de stgo ?
[02:58] <Lord_Athur> si
[02:58] <Lord_Athur> y tu igual, verdad?
[02:58] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, sipos
[02:58] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, para que participes con nosotros en el cdsl
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> si
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> maana en el encuentro me presentar
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> adems ya casi termina el colegio
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:00] <Lord_Athur> tu vas en la universidad segn mencion mhz
[03:01] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, sep
[03:01] <Lord_Athur> actualic mis datos en la poag de cdsl, ahora los mail  me llegarn a gmail, verdad?
[03:02] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, nop , osea la idea es participar ,osea ir al cdsl para que te inscribamos en la lista de correo
[03:02] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, puedes utilizar la web para crear contenido , hacer consultas en tu blog , etc
[03:02] <Lord_Athur> entiendo
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> maana ir a la reunin
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> de cdsl
[03:03] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, aunque los avisos siempre se publican en la web y en la lista
[03:03] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, es un install fest
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> ok
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> entiendo
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> pero....
[03:03] <Lord_Athur> a que se refiere install fest?
[03:03] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, festival de instalacion
[03:04] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, llevas tu pc y te instalamos linux 
[03:04] <arkan0x> osea , instalamos linux
[03:04] <arkan0x> "juntos"
[03:04] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[03:04] <Lord_Athur> pero ya tengo instalado linux
[03:04] <Lord_Athur> :S
[03:04] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, van a ver charlas/demos
[03:05] <Lord_Athur> por eso ir :)
[03:05] <arkan0x> de software grafico y de edubuntu
[03:05] <Lord_Athur> adems quiero empezar a participar
[03:05] <Lord_Athur> en esto de edubuntu
[03:05] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:05] <mhz> Lord_Athur: bienvenido a edubuntu
[03:06] <mhz> Lord_Athur: tecnocimiento en Chile dese hacer el EdubuntuChileanTour
[03:06] <Lord_Athur> gracias
[03:06] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:06] <mhz> para eso estamos organizando una base de datos de cerca de 1000 colegios
[03:06] <Lord_Athur> mhz, me das el enlace a la pag de tecnocimiento por favor?
[03:06] <mhz> para invitar profesores y alumnos a conocer edubuntu y hacer "trabajo de evangelizacion"
[03:07] <mhz> www.tecnocimiento.cl
[03:07] <Lord_Athur> est en la nmina el mo?
[03:07] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, cual colegio ?
[03:07] <mhz> Lord_Athur: si quieres, estara :D
[03:07] <Lord_Athur> Lastarria
[03:07] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, pinguino xD
[03:07] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, nonon
[03:07] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, pitufo x
[03:07] <mhz> hehehehe
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> su
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> si as nos dicen
[03:08] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, por la camisa azul
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, de que colegio eras?
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> si
[03:08] <arkan0x> INBA
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> por la camisa
[03:08] <mhz> Lord_Athur: ademas seria bueno si pudieras ayudarnos con EdubuntuSoftwareList y con EdubuntuStudyPackages
[03:08] <Lord_Athur> INBA?
[03:08] <mhz> ambos conceptos son paginas del wiki.edubuntu.org/
[03:08] <arkan0x> barros arana
[03:09] <Lord_Athur> ok
[03:09] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:09] <mhz> con EdubuntuSoftwareList, necesitamos conocer para que edades serian utiles las palicaciones (algunas son obvias, pero es mejor especificalras)
[03:09] <mhz> y saber tambien si..
[03:10] <mhz> son factibles de cruzar con el curriculum o plan de estudio
[03:10] <Lord_Athur> eso creo
[03:10] <mhz> o sea, ej: Kalzium, tabla periodica, quimica, util para 2 y 3 medio?
[03:10] <mhz> coasa asi
[03:10] <Lord_Athur> pero mhz creo que para todo eso es fundamental tener un edubuntu live
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> mhz, la tabla periodica se usa entre 1 y 4
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> toda la enseanza media segn los planes de estudio regulares
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:11] <mhz> demas, pero todavia no podra ser. Sera muy pronto eso si. Y si con tecnocimiento logramos hacer lo que tenemo splaneado, entonces nosotros mismo podremos hacer ese edubuntu live
[03:11] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:12] <Lord_Athur> quisiera aprender a programar en linux
[03:12] <mhz> pero por ahora... esperar y trabajar en prepara material para evangelizar
[03:12] <mhz> deberias empezar por python
[03:12] <mhz> hay un libro escrito por un profe super choro, especialmente disenado para ensenar a quien no sabe programar
[03:13] <mhz> y basa toda su ensenanza desde python
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> maana me das el nombre
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> del libro
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> :)
[03:13] <mhz> np
[03:13] <Lord_Athur> ?
[03:13] <mhz> "como pensar como un cientifico de la computacion desde python
[03:13] <mhz> Lord_Athur: np = no problem
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> a ok
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> yo antes programaba en VB para win
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> :P
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[03:14] <mhz> ya es una base
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> era "bsico"
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[03:14] <Lord_Athur> eso creo
[03:14] <mhz> que tambien puedes listar en tu homepage
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> saip
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> digo si
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> :P
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> creo que hay mucho que decir
[03:15] <Lord_Athur> mucho que hablar para mejorar ubuntu, kubuntu y edubuntu
[03:16] <mhz> demas
[03:16] <Lord_Athur> breezy no trae "mail"
[03:16] <Lord_Athur> me gusta escribir mails desde la terminal
[03:16] <mhz> pero es preciso definir las batallas, una a una, paso a paso
[03:16] <Lord_Athur> si
[03:16] <mhz> quizas porque 'mail' no era prioritario, no se.
[03:17] <mhz> en #ubunut-devel se reunen todos los encargados de programar y desarrollar tecnicamente
[03:17] <Lord_Athur> tal vez
[03:17] <Lord_Athur> han de hablar ingls
[03:17] <Lord_Athur> :S
[03:17] <mhz> sip
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> adems
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> los repositorios que trae la instacin de ubuntu, k y edu son muy malos
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> casi nunca encuentro los paquetes
[03:18] <Lord_Athur> que busco
[03:19] <mhz> arkan0x: Lord_Athur: estare revisando el "panfelto" de ubuntu de manana. beepeen me si me necesitan. arkan0x seria prudente habilitar tu 'beep' de XChat :D
[03:19] <mhz> Lord_Athur: pero has editado tu source.list?
[03:19] <Lord_Athur> no con breezy
[03:19] <mhz> ahh
[03:20] <Lord_Athur> he tenido malas experiencias al cambiar el source
[03:20] <Lord_Athur> :S
[03:20] <mhz> descomenta todos los pares de lineas universe y multiverse
[03:20] <mhz> y deja descomentadas las lineas de 'estable'
[03:20] <mhz> para seguridad
[03:21] <Lord_Athur> en el fondo.. descomento todo
[03:21] <mhz> luego update y busca los paquetes que deseas.
[03:21] <arkan0x> mhz, ??>>  osea mas rato me envias el documento >
[03:21] <arkan0x> ?
[03:21] <mhz> ccasi todo, si
[03:21] <mhz> ahora mismo estoy en eso :)
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> mhz_editing, 
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> espera
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> no tienes un enlace a una lista de soruces?
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> bueno mejor lo hablamos maana
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> Hasta luego arkan0x: mhz_editing:
[03:22] <Lord_Athur> bye
[03:54] <mhz_editing> ogra: hey
[04:16] <mhz_editing> arkan0x: ya
[04:17] <arkan0x> al maile
[04:18] <mhz_editing> arkanox at gmail dot com
[04:18] <arkan0x> yeah!
[04:18] <mhz_editing> avisame como se ve, pls
[04:20] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, podria ser pdf ? ,eske no tengo instalado en arch oo2 
[04:21] <arkan0x> me pase a arch por este rato , taba montando un repositorio de arch
[04:21] <mhz_editing> hehehe, np
[04:21] <mhz_editing> w8
[04:24] <mhz_editing> yap
[04:24] <arkan0x> oks
[04:28] <mhz_editing> cool
[04:29] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, :( problemas con la tipografia
[04:29] <arkan0x> no se ve bien
[04:29] <mhz_editing> chico? gande?
[04:29] <mhz_editing> logo feo?
[04:29] <arkan0x> y recien imprimi algo con tipografia comun
[04:29] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, no
[04:30] <arkan0x> algunas letras no se ven vien
[04:30] <arkan0x> los logos estan guenos
[04:30] <mhz_editing> ejemplo?
[04:30] <arkan0x> es por la fuente utilizada
[04:30] <mhz_editing> :(
[04:31] <mhz_editing> a que hora te levantas manana?
[04:31] <arkan0x> mmm cmo alas 9
[04:31] <mhz_editing> es que ahora debo ponerme a imprimir tarjetas
[04:31] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, okz
[04:31] <mhz_editing> tan tarde?
[04:31] <mhz_editing> :)
[04:31] <arkan0x> voy a ir a ubuntu para cambiar la tipografia
[04:32] <mhz_editing> si no, podria, una vez sepa como me salen las tarjetas, volver a trabajr en esto
[04:32] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, nnonn
[04:32] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, aora imprimi de nuevo
[04:32] <arkan0x> y salio bien
[04:32] <arkan0x> xD
[04:32] <mhz_editing> ???
[04:32] <mhz_editing> me estay?
[04:32] <mhz_editing> :D
[04:32] <arkan0x> eske lo hize primero con evince , y dp con gpdf
[04:32] <arkan0x> mhz_editing,  no , no te estoy ....
[04:32] <mhz_editing> ahhh
[04:32] <mhz_editing> entonces si sale ok?
[04:32] <arkan0x> mhz_editing, recuerda estoy en archlinux , lo ultimo...
[04:33] <mhz_editing> arkan0x: rlz
[04:33] <mhz_editing> voy a la impresora y vuelvo altiro
[04:33] <arkan0x> ppor ende , unstable, mas encima toy con archlinux testing ...
[04:33] <arkan0x> peor aun xD
[04:33] <mhz_printing> hehehe
[04:38] <arkan0x> mhz_printing, !
[04:38] <arkan0x> mhz_printing, !
[04:38] <arkan0x> mhz_printing, problema , difucion es difusion !
[04:38] <arkan0x> imprimi 7 xD asi 
[04:38] <arkan0x> ejje
[04:42] <arkan0x> mhz_printing, modifica porfa lo de difusion , 
[04:42] <arkan0x> del pdf
[05:02] <mhz_printing> hey
[05:08] <mhz_printing> arkan0x: estas?
[05:46] <mhz> re
[08:43] <khermans> My client is failing to connect -- error on boot is "Sending ProxyDHCP request to 192.168.1.3..."
[08:43] <khermans> it doesnt do anything after that
[08:43] <khermans> i already replaced the /etc/ltsp/dhcp config from 192.168.0
[11:36] <Yagisan> re
[12:19] <Lord_Athur> Hola
[12:20] <Lord_Athur> hello
[12:22] <Lord_Athur> jejeje
[12:22] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, aren't you sleeping?
[12:23] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, nop ,pero working
[12:23] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[12:23] <Lord_Athur> may a carry to the install fest any instalation cd of ubuntu?
[12:24] <Lord_Athur> I won't install it, but maybe other...
[12:24] <Lord_Athur> :P
[12:35] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, have you got your own homepage in wiki?
[12:36] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur, nop
[12:36] <Lord_Athur> tienes el enlace a la de mhz?
[12:40] <arkan0x> tecnocimiento.cl
[12:41] <Lord_Athur> ok
[12:59] <mhz> hi
[01:00] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[01:00] <mhz> Yagisan: hey happy and tired gifted daddy
[01:01] <Yagisan> mhz: not so happy - wife is getting bad news about her parents
[01:01] <Yagisan> mhz: One seems very sick
[01:01] <mhz> Yagisan: ooops, sorry to hear that
[01:02] <mhz> what's the prob?
[01:02] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm not sure yet - but my wife is in tears - so it is not good
[01:05] <mhz> man, I am truly sorry.
[01:05] <mhz> difficult sitiations call for extreame solutions
[01:06] <mhz> is praying a solutions for you?
[01:06] <mhz> I mean, is faith a way to face things?
[01:11] <Yagisan> mhz: I am not a religious person, so that doesn't work for me. I hope too find out the exact details of what is wrong soon
[01:11] <Yagisan> mhz: as she is on the phone to her parents now
[01:18] <mhz> oh, ok, I see. I am not a religious person either, but I always see details that remind me there's something else.
[01:18] <mhz> :)
[01:26] <spacey> mhz, your that MauricioHernandez guy?
[01:26] <spacey> or am i confusing people here
[01:26] <mhz> spacey: yup
[01:26] <mhz> i am
[01:27] <spacey> did you read my mail at list?
[01:27] <mhz> spacey: could you be more spceific ? :D
[01:28] <spacey> the studypackagestuff
[01:28] <spacey> at edubuntu mailinglist
[01:29] <spacey> i replied at your thread
[01:29] <mhz> oooohhh
[01:30] <mhz> so far, I have 8 mails regarding that
[01:30] <mhz> what is your email address?
[01:31] <mhz> so far, Mallory and Herman, and the rest are latinamerican folks
[01:31] <mhz> ogra: morning?
[01:32] <spacey> i'm Herman
[01:32] <spacey> sorry
[01:32] <mhz> duh!, no wonder I couldnt find your match :D
[01:32] <spacey> forget that you can't see it on my nick
[01:32] <mhz> yup
[01:32] <mhz> I am no running from CIA so I can use my name :D
[01:33] <spacey> hehe
[01:33] <spacey> same here
[01:33] <mhz> spacey: indeed, I am looking at sourceforge
[01:33] <mhz> schoolforge
[01:33] <spacey> uh
[01:33] <mhz> sorry
[01:33] <spacey> y
[01:33] <mhz> sorry
[01:33] <mhz> schoolforge
[01:33] <spacey> but they only state that they do content, they don't seem to have it
[01:33] <spacey> and we can just use their stuff if they have
[01:33] <mhz> I remember I saw the project long time ago
[01:33] <spacey> ;p
[01:34] <mhz> yup
[01:34] <spacey> i'll see what comes up tonight
[01:34] <spacey> off to work now.
[01:34] <spacey> cya
[01:34] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:34] <Lord_Athur> mhz, 
[01:34] <Lord_Athur> buen da
[01:34] <mhz> that is why I proposed this edubuntu project. I had visited many sites and none providing real contents
[01:34] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hi there
[01:35] <Lord_Athur> hi
[01:35] <mhz> spacey: thx anyways, please jump in and lets work 2gether
[01:35] <mhz> Lord_Athur: estoy por cerrar mi tarro y arreglar cosasa para ir al CDSL
[01:35] <mhz> iras?
[01:36] <mhz> ogra: my today biz cards include 'edubuntu' logo. I hope it's ok
[01:36] <ogra> mhz, sure
[01:36] <ogra> hi btw
[01:36] <mhz> ogra: and if needed, I can upload the SVG tonite (it is letter size for 10 biz cards each sheet)
[01:36] <mhz> hehehe
[01:37] <mhz> ogra: so, did you read my pinging questions about responsibilities and Launchpad group for study packages?
[01:37] <mhz> hehehehe
[01:37] <mhz> well, that's diff :D
[01:37] <ogra> i think its ok if everyone who is in the edubuntu launchpad team can also print cards ...
[01:38] <ogra> so put them up if you want
[01:38] <ogra> there seems to be no svg version of the CD cover ...
[01:38] <mhz> yup, and you gotta be motivated to do spend 3 hours (1.5 hour only cutting them)
[01:38] <ogra> could you upload one ? 
[01:38] <ogra> you can go to a copy shop, the do it for you ;)
[01:38] <ogra> (at least here)
[01:39] <mhz> ogra: yup, there's only SVG version (old with little text mistakes compared o the one in breezy) in the old wiki page EdubuntuCdCoverAndSlip
[01:39] <ogra> nope, thats a png ... you just named it svg
[01:40] <mhz> ogra: yup, but it was 01:30 AM when I started and I have to save each penny for EdubuntuChileanTour
[01:40] <mhz> ogra: wrong :D
[01:40] <Lord_Athur> bye to everyone
[01:40] <Lord_Athur> :)
[01:41] <ogra> mhz, dont get it to me, get it to the wiki ;)
[01:41] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip?action=AttachFile
[01:41] <ogra> all .svg attachment are pngs there
[01:44] <mhz> ogra: nope, I have just downloaded SVG from that url I just gave you
[01:44] <mhz> :)
[01:44] <ogra> i only get pngs from it, no matter what i try
[01:44] <mhz> weired
[01:44] <ogra> and others apparently too
[01:45] <mhz> and you see all this listing?
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (720.3 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverV1.svg
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (32.4 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverV2.png
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (118.4 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverV2.svg
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (205.4 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverWithWorldV2.svg
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (1162.6 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdSlipV1.svg
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (181.2 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdSlipV2.png
[01:45] <mhz>     * [get | view]  (741.8 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdSlipV2.svg
[01:45] <ogra> oh, sorry, i used the links from the page...
[01:45] <mhz> ahhh
[01:45] <mhz> see?
[01:45] <ogra> how are users supposed to get the svgs `
[01:45] <ogra> ?
[01:45] <mhz> I know, I know u r right
[01:46] <mhz> it is just that as Pablo was supposed to provide the last corrections (his text versions were traced so nobody could actually change text to avoid font printing diff)
[01:47] <mhz> I waited and waited to upload the last editable text SVG versions
[01:47] <ogra> why should someone change the text ? 
[01:47] <mhz> ok, I'll upload old ones in the meantime
[01:48] <mhz> hmmmmmm, don't know. But we had based our ideas on hoary texts, not breezy
[01:48] <ogra> isnt that the text JaneW approved ?
[01:48] <mhz> and there are some slight diff
[01:48] <mhz> like "for your PC version"
[01:48] <mhz> the back text? yes
[01:48] <mhz> the text on the cd label? yup, but she also mentioned a change in "free to copy" part
[01:49] <mhz> and someonel else pointed the "for your PC version" instead of "x86 version"
[01:49] <ogra> then please change it in the version, but i''m not happy with people makiong random changes to the text
[01:49] <mhz> those minimal text diff, I could not edit becuase of the "traced" texts
[01:50] <ogra> PC version is confusing ...
[01:50] <mhz> *sighs*
[01:50] <mhz> I am just a volunteer
[01:50] <ogra> macintoshes are power *PCs* 
[01:50] <mhz> EXACTLY!
[01:50] <ogra> so please leave the architecture as is
[01:50] <mhz> I did not want to change it either, but...
[01:50] <ogra> its the same on the breezy covers afaik
[01:50] <mhz> really?
[01:51] <mhz> now tyou tell men? :D
[01:51] <mhz> now ou tell me? :D
[01:51] <mhz> ahhhh
[01:51] <ogra> i didnt know you were changing it
[01:51] <mhz> EKBD
[01:51] <mhz> okis
[01:51] <ogra> please discuss such changes on the mailing list, dont just silently make them
[01:51] <mhz> so I will change the "free to copy" thing JaneW asked me
[01:52] <ogra> i want to be able to know if i have a ppc, x86 or amd64 CD i install from
[01:52] <mhz> ogra: now I know. I am kind of shy sometimes (only sometimes)
[01:52] <ogra> there must be a way to distinguish them
[01:52] <mhz> :)
[01:52] <mhz> yup, indeed
[01:53] <mhz> okis, so, in the meantime, i'll upload those old versions and tonite, I'll upload new version "free to copy" thing
[01:53] <ogra> yup
[01:56] <mhz> http://www.gnuskole.dk/
[01:58] <ogra> i think fabbione works with them
[01:59] <mhz> oh, I understood nothing, only the name
[02:00] <mhz> files at home, people can proceed
[02:01] <mhz> ogra: I am leaving for the InstallFest and did I mention TV will be there ?
[02:01] <mhz> ogra: so, did you read my pinging questions about responsibilities and Launchpad group for study packages?
[02:01] <ogra> yup, you did :) ggod luck
[02:01] <mhz> thx
[02:02] <ogra> mhz, yes, i dont understand whats your prob with it ... the project needs someone to be responsible for it...
[02:02] <mhz> ogra: no problem at all
[02:02] <ogra> so thats why jane asked if you take that responsibility
[02:02] <mhz> just ignorant about ubuntu procedures
[02:02] <mhz> I can take responsibilities, no problem
[02:03] <mhz> wondering if organizing group work means I also have to crate a group in LaunchPad? or it is only needed via wiki, etc.
[02:03] <ogra> since the packages will be separate for now (or do you think you can make it in the next 6 weeks before UVF ?) i dont think you need to match any ubuntu procedures yet
[02:04] <ogra> it would be cool to have a launchpad team for it ...
[02:04] <ogra> so you can track who is committed to the project
[02:04] <mhz> oohh, I see. That info I didnt know it.
[02:04] <mhz> LP/ yup, i thought so but I had to ask before, or no?
[02:04] <ogra> upstream version freeze means there will be no new upstream versions of packages
[02:05] <ogra> this is around mid/end of january ... i'd have to look it up in the release schadule, there is the xact date
[02:05] <mhz> okis, so I have more info for my talk now.
[02:05] <mhz> thx for clarifying that to me
[02:06] <mhz> BTW, edubuntu was 57 yeasterday at distrowathc :(
[02:06] <ogra> we are fully bound to the ubuntu release schedule ...
[02:06] <mhz> no problem, I think it has its positiveness
[02:06] <mhz> ogra: have a nice day
[02:06] <mhz> bye
[02:07] <ogra> you too :)
[03:38] <lucasvo> why is kubuntu-artwork-usplash a dependency of kubuntu-desktop?
[03:39] <crimsun> -ECHANNEL?
[03:39] <lucasvo> I want to have edubuntu usplash and not kubuntu, how can I set the bootsplash?
[03:39] <lucasvo> crimsun: ?
[03:39] <crimsun> install edubuntu-artwork-usplash
[03:39] <ogra> lucasvo, sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r`
[03:40] <ogra> after installing edubuntu-artwork-usplash indeed
[03:40] <crimsun> yep, gotta run that step
[03:41] <ogra> there was no usplash upgrade option in breezy and reconfiguring linux-image from another package on upgrades is evil ... so you have to run it manually ...
[03:41] <lucasvo> ogra: the problem is I installed the kubunut-desktop because I would like to have kde but I can't remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash...
[03:41] <ogra> dapper has a usplash upgrade option without touching the linux-image package
[03:41] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~$ dpkg --list | grep usplash
[03:41] <lucasvo> ii  edubuntu-artwork-usplash               0.1.0-9                            edubuntu artwork for usplash
[03:41] <lucasvo> ii  kubuntu-artwork-usplash                5.10-19                            kubuntu artwork for usplash
[03:41] <lucasvo> ii  usplash                                0.1-22                             Userspace bootsplash utility
[03:41] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~$
[03:41] <ogra> just remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[03:42] <ogra> it does no harm...
[03:42] <lucasvo> I last installed kubuntu-artwork-usplash and I can't remove it because it is a dependancy of kubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <lucasvo> and I want kde
[03:42] <lucasvo> lucasvo@lama:~$ sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash
[03:42] <lucasvo> Reading package lists... Done
[03:42] <lucasvo> Building dependency tree... Done
[03:42] <lucasvo> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[03:42] <lucasvo>   kubuntu-artwork-usplash kubuntu-desktop
[03:42] <lucasvo> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:43] <ogra> thats fine
[03:43] <crimsun> you only need to install edubuntu-artwork-usplash and execute the dpkg-reconfigure command that ogra gave you
[03:43] <ogra> you wont loose kde
[03:43] <lucasvo> so what is kubuntu-desktop?
[03:43] <ogra> a metapackage
[03:43] <crimsun> (like edubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop)
[03:43] <ogra> it only cares for pulling in all the kde stuff
[03:43] <lucasvo> aha
[03:43] <lucasvo> ok
[03:44] <ogra> you might need it if you onceupgrade the complete system to the next release, but until then its useless
[03:44] <lucasvo> ogra: ok
[03:44] <ogra> as well as the other -desktop packages ..
[03:44] <lucasvo> ogra: what is release of edubuntu dapper?
[03:44] <ogra> ?
[03:45] <lucasvo> when will it be released?
[03:45] <ogra> april
[03:45] <lucasvo> s/what/when/g
[03:45] <lucasvo> ogra: no exact date available/
[03:45] <ogra> we always release in april and october
[03:45] <ogra> look at the release schedule on the iki... i cant remember from the top of my head
[03:45] <ogra> *wiki
[03:46] <lucasvo> ok
[03:47] <lucasvo> ogra: is dapper available for non-developers as an image or package server?
[03:47] <ogra> sure, but you dont want to try it yet :)
[03:48] <lucasvo> ogra: whats wrong?
[03:48] <ogra> you can either change your repositorys to upgrade to dapper ... or grab an image from cdimage.ubuntu.com
[03:48] <ogra> kernel and hardware detection changes for example
[03:49] <ogra> the bootprocess gets reworked completely...
[03:49] <ogra> if you dont know how to solve problems on a very low level you wont be able to boot at one point etc ... if aou feel confident you can work around bugs and breakage, try it ;)
[03:51] <lucasvo> hm miuubuntu ist stalled on dapper roadmap :(
[03:54] <ogra> whats miuubuntu
[03:54] <ogra> ?
[03:58] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't know how to make the "miu" on my keyboard
[03:59] <ogra> you mean micro ? 
[03:59] <lucasvo> ogra: yes
[03:59] <lucasvo> the greek letter miu
[03:59] <ogra> thats idling since hoary ...
[03:59] <lucasvo> ogra: yes too bad
[03:59] <ogra> i dont think anybody has time for it ...
[03:59] <lucasvo> is there any way how to speed it up as a normal user?
[04:00] <ogra> develop it ;)
[04:00] <lucasvo> ogra: not as a developer
[04:00] <ogra> find developers doing it for you would be the alternative then :)
[04:01] <lucasvo> ogra: make a bounty?
[04:01] <ogra> if you have the money :)
[04:02] <lucasvo> ogra: I don't 
[04:02] <lucasvo> ogra: makr shuttleworth has it :D
[04:02] <ogra> he would bounty it if he would like to put money in it :)
[04:02] <lucasvo> ogra: too bad that normal users don't write bugreports
[04:03] <lucasvo> one should make it more easy
[04:03] <ogra> we have 20000 bugs in bugzilla... do you think they are only written by developers ? 
[04:03] <ogra> normally normal users write bugreports :)
[04:05] <Yagisan> lucasvo: I write bug reports
[04:06] <Yagisan> lucasvo: and occasionally, the patch that fixes it too. I'm just a "normal" user
[04:06] <lucasvo> Yagisan: I do as well,
[04:06] <lucasvo> but my sister doesn't :D
[04:07] <lucasvo> and I don't have time to teach her how to do it so one should make a guide
[04:08] <Yagisan> lucasvo: why ? click report a new bug, type description, click ok - how hard is that ?
[04:09] <Yagisan> mhz is gone now isn't he ?
[04:09] <lucasvo> Yagisan: say why one should report bugs, where one should report bugs etc.
[04:11] <ogra> Yagisan, yup... he does a presentation
[04:12] <Yagisan> ogra: thanks
[04:12] <Yagisan> lucasvo: Do we really need to state that if you don't report it, it won't be fixed ?
[04:13] <Yagisan> lucasvo: it is already documented on the ubuntu.com website
[04:25] <lucasvo> ogra: will you teacher administration panel applet work when you will release dapper?
[04:28] <ogra> depends how many people contribute to it
[04:28] <ogra> its not my main focus
[04:28] <lucasvo> is there any way how to open rar files with archivmanager?
[04:29] <juliux> lucasvo, you have to install unrar i think
[04:29] <ogra> most likely unrar-nonfree from multiverse
[04:31] <lucasvo> juliux: thanls
[04:31] <lucasvo> thanks
[04:31] <juliux> lucasvo, np
[06:22] <lucasvo> I would like to have openmosix on ltsp client's
[06:22] <lucasvo> :D
[06:23] <lucasvo> if you want to migrate from normal client structure to ltsp you want to keep your old powerful hardware and use it, you don't want to buy a new server...
[06:24] <ogra> currently we have some rather basic tasks to do... things like clustering have no high priority yet...
[06:24] <ogra> thats a dapper+1 thing ...
[06:52] <lucasvo> ogra: are there any dapper+1 name proposals?
[06:53] <ogra> nope, not yet
[06:53] <ogra> nobody thinks about dapper+1 now :)
[06:53] <lucasvo> ogra: a friend has a working openmosix & ltsp server client environnment, but with debian kernel 2.4
[06:54] <ogra> thats no option... we'll never use 2.4
[06:56] <lucasvo> ogra: I first have to try out how to build a normal kernel before building one with openmosix
[06:57] <ogra> you use kernel-package for ubuntu kernels
[06:58] <lucasvo> ogra: you mean the source?
[06:59] <ogra> nope, the package kernel-package has all the tools you need to build a package with the kernel for ubuntu 
[06:59] <ogra> i.e. make-kpkg which is the most essential part
[07:02] <lucasvo> ogra: when I build my own ltsp kernel, I can disable scsi and ide/sata?
[07:02] <lucasvo> to speed up booting?
[07:02] <ogra> doesnt matter if you have no ide controller the modules wont get loaded anyway ...
[07:03] <ogra> and note that building a kernel right that even works with initramfs is non-trivial ...
[07:03] <lucasvo> non-trivial, I don't understand?
[07:03] <ogra> afaik openmosix doesnt work with 2.6 at all... but i might be wrong
[07:03] <ogra> its a task *i* wouldnt do
[07:04] <lucasvo> ogra:it says avaible from CVS
[07:04] <lucasvo> ogra: but isn't there already the configure-file from the actual kernel in the fs?
[07:05] <ogra> sure
[07:05] <ogra> so you can look up whats built in
[07:11] <lucasvo> ogra: I thought one can copy it to current kernel source and than use make-xconf or whatever it is called, to adjust it?
[07:11] <ogra> sure
[07:12] <ogra> but you should use make-kpkg to create a linux-image package ... else you wont get it working with ubuntus initramfs
[07:30] <thak> anyone have any thoughts on what to look for when my thin clients can't even get an ip address from my edubuntu ltsp server?
[08:11] <littlepaul> question about https://wiki.ubuntu.com//LTSPHowTo <- is this howto not obsolete now?
[08:12] <ogra> not for warty and hoary 
[08:13] <ogra> but it should be noted in red and 48pt bold letters that itsn not for > hoary
[08:13] <littlepaul> ogra you mean breezy? :)
[08:13] <ogra> i meant bigger than hoary
[08:14] <littlepaul> k
[08:14] <ogra> ;)
[08:14] <littlepaul> ok; breezy uses ltsp  4.13 right?
[08:14] <ogra> sorry ... programmer 
[08:14] <ogra> nope
[08:14] <lucasvo> my mouse on ltsp client doesn't work anymore :(
[08:14] <ogra> breezy uses its own implementation
[08:15] <littlepaul> i know but which version is this? Or do you have another number convention?
[08:15] <ogra> yes, breezy ltsp 0.58
[08:15] <littlepaul> ok
[08:16] <ogra> ltsp.org is adopting it as ltsp 4.2
[08:16] <littlepaul> so in near future the differences should be smaller between this implementations?
[08:16] <ogra> yes
[08:19] <littlepaul> i will try to write down some german answers - i kind of faq :) but I will need your help; I have read the logfiles of the last 3 weeks and found interesting some questions/answers
[08:20] <lucasvo> crap! I can't get my mouse on the client to work
[08:20] <ogra> what did you break ? 
[08:27] <lucasvo> ogra: just made a new ltsp system
[08:28] <lucasvo> sudo ltsp-build-client
[08:37] <lucasvo> ogra: do you know what I could have done wrong?
[08:37] <lucasvo> ogra: reboot doesn't work
[08:38] <ogra> is the psmouse module loaded on the client ?
[08:38] <ogra> (you need to set a root pw in the chroot and log in on console)
[08:38] <lucasvo> ah yes exactly I need to do this 
[08:39] <lucasvo> that's what I did last time
[08:39] <ogra> add psmouse to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules
[08:39] <ogra> but i still would like to know why its not getting loaded ...
[08:39] <ogra> must be a udev/hotplug bug
[08:40] <lucasvo> yes
[08:52] <AstroKing> I have a Grub question with Error 18.  I'm a newbie, just so you know.  Google said it's something to do with grub being installed beyond the last cylinder of the hard drive (this is an old 10 gig drive on a P2-400mhz.).  Is there any way to fix or move grub?  I've tried installing this twice and it's the same error.
[08:53] <ogra> change the LBA setting for your disk in the BIOS
[08:55] <AstroKing> Can you tell me what LBA stands for?  
[08:57] <ogra> logical block adressing or something similar
[08:57] <AstroKing> in the BIOS it says size is 528 and cylinders 1024, head 16.  it's in AUTO mode, so i'm assuming it's detecting this correctly.  
[09:00] <AstroKing> got it fixed!  i did change that setting but also used ultimate boot cd to reinstall grub.  it's booting up now..thanks a million, ogra.
[09:00] <ogra> :)
[09:01] <lucasvo> ogra: soon you are a millionaire
[09:01] <ogra> heh
[09:01] <ogra> nope i dont want to be one ...
[09:01] <AstroKing> too much taxes, lol
[09:02] <ogra> i work for one, thats enough ;)
[09:02] <lucasvo> ogra: communist?
[09:02] <lucasvo> ogra: lol
[09:03] <ogra> nope, but for a million you also have to do work for a million ...
[09:03] <lucasvo> ogra: that is true
[09:03] <lucasvo> ogra: like get out into space for affrica? :D
[09:04] <ogra> uuh, i wouldnt want that ... even if its exciting if mark talks about ...
[09:04] <ogra> if i could just beam into ISS i'd surely go :)
[09:09] <lucasvo> ogra: is it an unpleasant flight/
[09:09] <ogra> yes
[09:10] <ogra> and i got enough with flying to all these conferences 
[09:10] <ogra> i'm not a big fly fan....
[09:10] <ogra> neither of the insects nor of the activity
[09:11] <lucasvo> ogra: you go to conferences in london?
[09:12] <ogra> the edubuntu summit was there ... beginnig of the year
[11:32] <Lord_Athur> heyhi
[11:32] <Lord_Athur> :)
[11:33] <Lord_Athur> does anyone have a soures list for edubuntu breezy?
[11:37] <Lord_Athur> 
[11:37] <Lord_Athur> come on!
[11:37] <bluefrog-10> same as ubuntu
[11:37] <Lord_Athur> but
[11:38] <Lord_Athur> with the default lista of sources I cannot install any programs
[11:38] <bluefrog-10> and what is your default?
[11:38] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[11:39] <Lord_Athur> do I write to you a copy of the breezy sources list ?
[11:39] <bluefrog-10> synaptic > repositories shows what?
[11:40] <bluefrog-10> pastebin.com
[11:40] <Lord_Athur> ok
[11:41] <littlepaul> bluefrog-10, I read you have made a bash script with menus to install/configure apt-proxy. Can I have a look at it?
[11:41] <bluefrog-10> sending it to you...
[11:42] <bluefrog-10> littlepaul, accept the file works or not?
[11:43] <littlepaul> bluefrog-10, pls send it to littlepaul AT 110-support.de; it didn't worked
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> i paste it to pastebin.com
[11:43] <littlepaul> k
[11:43] <bluefrog-10> just put it in a file and make u+x
[11:44] <littlepaul> thx
[11:45] <bluefrog-10> http://pastebin.com/439106
[11:46] <littlepaul> got it; thx
[11:47] <bluefrog-10> hum hang on need to send it to u by mail apparently pastebin has a limitation on the number of lines...
[11:47] <bluefrog-10> don't see all the lines i have in my script
[11:49] <bluefrog-10> u should have it by mail by now...
[11:50] <littlepaul> got it; and now I'm also aware about this line limitation :)
[11:50] <bluefrog-10> just run the script, a menu will appear in your terminal, then it's pretty much straight forward..
[11:51] <bluefrog-10> it's not the best code written as 4 days before I didn't know anything about bash but so far it's working..
[11:52] <littlepaul> I will show this script to juliux; we are next week in Essen
[11:52] <bluefrog-10> littlepaul, and by the way any comment interests me (especially bad ones..) 
[11:53] <juliux> littlepaul, which script?
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> as it is it's not finished as i need to implementsamb-ldap user management but didn't have time
[11:53] <littlepaul> the script I got a few minutes ago :) a bash script with menus to install/configure apt-proxy.
[11:53] <bluefrog-10> but every menu that is implemented so far works ok on a fresh install...
[11:54] <juliux> hm i don't need apt-proxy, i have a mirror in the lan
[11:55] <littlepaul> the scripts brings much more than apt-proxy :)
[11:55] <bluefrog-10> and i found out few days ago that i could do nice boxes with zenity so am going to do that when time will allow me..
[11:56] <littlepaul> yes zentiy is a nice thing
[11:56] <bluefrog-10> hum only samba-ldap (no ssl)
[11:56] <littlepaul> ok
[11:57] <bluefrog-10> if any can improve the samba-ldap to working with ssl (not difficult, i should have done it) but especially with tls (samba part), I'll be glad, I foun d a lot of theory everywhere on the web but no one with a working example
[11:58] <bluefrog-10> ldap ssl easy, samba tls another story (at least for me
[11:58] <littlepaul> :/
[11:59] <littlepaul> bluefrog-10, did ogra already  had look over your script?
[11:59] <bluefrog-10> i should have put a warning for apt-proxy, use a static address...
[12:00] <bluefrog-10> no
[12:00] <bluefrog-10> talk to him once that i waas doing something but he hasn't seen it
[12:01] <bluefrog-10> wanted to put it on wiki but i wanted to implement the samb-ldap user management before doing so to give people not a half finished samb-ldap implementation..
[12:02] <bluefrog-10> littlepaul, you can distribute it if u want it has been done for that purpose anyway...