=== Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:11] hi!, my name is Alejandro, I've been here a lot of times but now [12:12] I'd like to be a member of the edubuntu community, what should I do? [12:14] is there anyone? [12:20] [12:25] the web of edubuntu says that you'd like new members [12:26] is this truth? === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:30] won't anybody answer me? [12:30] too late, the leaders are probably asleep. [12:30] mmm [12:31] bdoin, what time is it in your country? [12:31] I am in france and it's 24:30 [12:31] in south africa, it should be the same or later [12:32] ooo [12:32] is not the time in my country [12:32] I'm in the south of America [12:32] and in is 20:32 [12:33] I think that this explain everything [12:33] :P [12:33] Lord_Athur: hola [12:33] hi [12:34] hola [12:34] :P [12:34] hehe [12:34] dia viernes, a esta hora... normalmente te psasara esto [12:34] creo que no me fij en eso [12:34] pero puedes hacer ping a quien necesites [12:34] bye* [12:34] adems no soy muy bueno en el ingls [12:34] bdoin: bye [12:34] bye bd [12:34] Lord_Athur: no problem [12:34] :P [12:35] Lord_Athur: como puedo ayudarte? [12:35] mhz, de donde eres? [12:35] Chile [12:35] ap ok [12:35] y tu? [12:35] tambin [12:35] :P [12:35] santiago [12:35] bueno, tengo 15 aos y estoy con la distribucin ubuntu [12:36] y estoy instalando edubuntu [12:36] pero quisiera participar activamente [12:36] bienvenido! [12:36] gracias [12:36] :P [12:36] iras manana al CDSL? [12:36] no tena idea de ese evento [12:36] :) [12:36] Por que deseas usar edubuntu? [12:36] eso te demuestra mi falta de informacin [12:37] Lord_Athur: ojala puedas ir [12:37] Lord_Athur: muchas veces no nos enteramos pues hay MUCHO sucediendo [12:37] porque soy estudiante y simpatizo con las herramientas tecnolgicas que tienen que ver con la educacin [12:37] :) [12:38] adems me gustan los ordenadores [12:38] pero no los juegos que ellos tengan, ms bien sus sistemas operativos y programas [12:40] y tambin creo que elinteractuar con trosen ingls me puede acercar ms a Ubuntu y su espritu [12:41] mhz, tienes Edubuntu, verdad? [12:41] sip [12:41] Lord_Athur: en edubuntu ay mucho por hacer [12:42] hay [12:43] eso creo [12:43] a pesar de tener buenas intenciones... [12:44] creo q para haer una presentacin en una sala de clases debe exister edubuntu-live [12:44] en mi liceo no dejan hacer intervenciones a los sistemas operativos [12:44] y por ende edubuntu no presta un servicio muy bueno en ese sentido [12:45] lo mismo digo, pero de haber -es muy probable- solo sera descargable [12:45] si [12:45] donde estudias? [12:45] Liceo Lastarria, de providencia [12:45] y hay mas gente que use GnuLinux? [12:46] eso creo [12:46] de hecho hay bastantes estudiantes [12:46] Lord_Athur: para ser "miembro" de cualquier equipo, debes decidir: [12:46] pero no parece haber una sincronizacin entre nosotros [12:46] dime [12:46] a) sere voluntario de vez en cuando cuando en vez [12:47] b) sere voluntario y aceptare objetivos [12:47] c) sere voluntario y fanatico evangelizador [12:47] prefiero C [12:47] dpendiendo de la que escojas es la forma [12:47] PERFECTO! [12:47] :) [12:48] enonces, visita LaunchPad, crea un usuario, con el podras editar cualquier pagina en Ubuntu [12:48] creo tener ya un usuario [12:48] teniendo cuenta en LP, podras sumarte a los equipos oficiales [12:48] :) [12:48] presionando +join link [12:49] Idealmente, escribe un resumen de tus expectativas y contribuciones [12:49] en tu home page del wiki y de LP [12:49] y seras aprobado por c/leader de equipo [12:50] ok [12:50] en tu wiki, incluye tus objetivos [12:51] basicamente, en estas comunidades se valora mucho los compromisos realizados con exito, los intentos y las caidas. Valoramos mucho la contribucion, la opinion y el espiritu de participar para mejorar [12:51] es entonces el tipo de comunidad en la que quiero ingresar [12:52] Yo, el martes 22 recien fui aceptado como miembro "oficial" de la comunidad ubuntu. (creo que soy aun el unico chileno y latinoamericano en esa categoria). Claro que sucedio despues de casi 6 meses de bastante trabajo [12:52] tendr que escribir objetivos en ingls? [12:52] felicidades [12:52] no necesariamente [12:52] muchas gracias [12:53] Lord_Athur: dentro de mis objetivos es la administarcion de una mailing-list en castelano para edubuntu [12:53] ahora, siendo miembro oficial, puedo hacerlo [12:53] vaya yo creo estan en unas 5 mailing list de buntu [12:53] digo ubuntu [12:54] sino, hubieramos dependido de que alguno de los espanoles para ello (y de momento no se han presentado en este proyecto) [12:54] cuenta para eso conmigo [12:54] gracias! [12:54] :) [12:55] de momento, en edubuntu, de vez en cuando viene arkan0x y pitux [12:55] ambos de Chile [12:55] arkan0x es del CDSL (y estudiante univ. de la chile) [12:55] CDSL??? [12:55] pitux es estudiante de la USACH [12:55] www.cdsl.cl [12:56] yo, soy miembro de www.tecnocimiento.cl [12:56] y pitux cordina www.matematicaslibre.cl [12:57] que bien [12:57] cando seas miembro oficial, (habiendo sido sujeto de invitacion y evaluacion del CommunityCouncil) puedes hacerte cargo de responsabilidades en distintos desarrollos (comunitarios o tecnicos) [12:57] de lo contrario, para liderar algun proyecto deberas tener una especie de padrino [12:58] como te dije, donde quieras llegar, como todo en la vida, depende de ti solamente. [12:58] sip , es verdad [12:58] por mi parte, me engorgullece muchisimo que seas otro chileno en este "voluntariado por mejorar las cosas" [12:59] gracias [12:59] donde me dijiste que creara la pgina de inicio? [12:59] al menos, en este canal, la preocupacion principal son dos: desarrollo y soporte edubuntu y la otra: generacion de comunidades educativa [12:59] ya acabo de hacer mi usuario LP [12:59] tanto en launchpad como en el wiki [01:01] te doy referencias: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/MauricioHernandez y https://launchpad.net/people/mhz [01:01] Lord_Athur: debo encargarme de la cena :( [01:01] vuelvo como en 50 minutos [01:02] estaras? [01:02] podras ir al CDSL manana para la install fest? [01:02] sip [01:02] genial! [01:03] pestan en la web las especificaciones? [01:03] nos vemos al rato [01:03] direcciones y todo [01:03] sip [01:03] sip [01:03] bien [01:03] te espero [01:03] de todos modos, probablemente arkan0x esta por llegar aca === mhz is now known as mhz_bbl === mhz_bbl is now known as mhz_dinner [01:03] bye === zakame [n=zak@210.213.72.49] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:34] hi [01:46] greetz Lord_Athur [01:54] hi [01:54] zakame hello [01:54] :) [01:58] hey [01:58] zakame, [01:58] I've instaled edubuntu from ubuntu [01:59] but when this starts I can see "ubuntu" instead of "edubuntu" [01:59] what does this mean? [02:00] hmmm, edubuntu comes from ubuntu, after all :) [02:01] yes [02:02] but in my father's computer edubuntu says edubuntu (not ubuntu) [02:03] was your computer a new edubuntu install, or an upgrade? [02:04] the computer of my father and mine are upgrade [02:05] I've installed this with apt-get [02:06] where do you see this? on the login screen? [02:06] not [02:07] in the screen but after of boot and before the login screen [02:07] :) [02:07] in grub? [02:08] jajjaa [02:08] si [02:08] === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.5.113.40] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:28] mhz_dinner, ping ! === mhz_dinner back === mhz_dinner is now known as mhz [02:28] mhz_dinner, ping ! [02:28] mhz, ping [02:28] pon [02:28] pong [02:29] ya [02:29] arkan0x: Lord_Athur es chileno! [02:29] tell me [02:29] hi Lord_Athur ! [02:29] how are you ? Lord_Athur xD [02:29] mhz, tell me [02:30] Lord_Athur: maybe if you reboot, you'll see edubuntu [02:30] hi arkan0x [02:30] I've done it mhz [02:30] arkan0x: para el installfest, probablemente tendremos cobertura de chilevision [02:30] but this does not change [02:30] Lord_Athur: hmmm [02:30] mhz, duh ! [02:30] [02:31] Lord_Athur: y tu /etc/apt/source.list, que tiene comentado? [02:31] mhz, pero es confirmado ? avisaste pala lista ? [02:31] no todavia, prefiero que sea sorpresa por si acaso [02:31] mhz, yo no prefiero que sea sorpresa [02:31] por que? [02:31] pq tu sabes como estan las cosas [02:32] no? [02:32] mhz, yo dejaria eso pa la feria de tecn libres [02:32] onda un reportaje/nota de ubuntu/edubuntu [02:32] ahhh, bueno, es que el tipo queria ver edubuntu trabajando [02:32] mhz, oks [02:32] y ademas queria ver el el installfest [02:32] okis [02:33] entonces pense que era mejor matar 2 pajaros de un tiro [02:33] igual avisa pala lista [02:33] okey [02:33] mhz, manana llegas como alas 10-11? [02:33] a que lista se refieren? [02:33] a la del cdsl [02:33] arkan0x: sip [02:33] Lord_Athur, www.cdsl.cl [02:33] mhz, rlz [02:33] arkan0x: y te puedo enviar el papel? [02:34] mhz, al mail [02:34] demas, pero alcanzaras a imprimirlo? [02:34] osea , si es una pagina ,claro , imprimo por30 [02:34] ooo [02:34] si es algo mas cuatico [02:34] depende [02:34] mhz, tengo laser b/n [02:35] te propongo lo siguiente (estaba trabajndo en las tarjetas de tc) [02:35] dejame pegarle la repasada al papel de ubuntu y te lo mando en 30 mins? [02:35] okz [02:35] gracias! [02:35] arkan0x: oye.. [02:35] mhz, oigo [02:35] que crees que seria lo problemeatico respecto a chilevision? [02:37] que el cdsl no es un ente representativo del software libre en chile , osea se pretende eso , pero como que siento que todavia no tenemos un piso ,osea en chile no siento que alguna agrupacion sea representativa .. [02:37] pero como pa salir en la tele [02:37] es como mucha carne pa gato chico [02:37] quizas en el cdsl piensan que es bacan [02:37] arkan0x: y eso seria negativo? que pasa si con eso llega mas gente de "verdad" a colaborar? [02:37] pero esa es mi vision [02:38] mhz, puede ser [02:38] arkan0x: totalmente de acuerdo [02:38] arkan0x, me registr en cdsl pero el e-mail que reciv esta vaco [02:38] Lord_Athur, ?? , yap deja revisar [02:38] gracias [02:38] arkan0x: y se vera mal si chilevision va pa una nota sobre ubuntu? me refiero, se vera mal que sea en el CDSL? [02:39] mhz, nu [02:39] mhz, pero bueno , ojala que resulte bien y ke se haga mas difusion [02:40] ah, entonces mejor que sea sorpresa. Asi, si llega el tipo y la camara, genial! y en el cdsl se dan cuenta que estamos haciendo las cosas con mas ganas. Si no llega... nunca hubo dano :) [02:40] mhz, esque siento ese temor , pq la gente que conozco del mundo SL en chile , pa ellos el cdsl como nu pasa na [02:40] mhz, demas [02:40] ni un problema [02:40] arkan0x: por eso siempre trato de que hagamos cosas juntos. Se que tu SI haces las cosas. [02:41] y me da lata que te desgastes porque otros no dan la talla [02:41] arkan0x, mhz, esto me suele pasar al adherirme a una lista o algo parecido, ser un problema de mi mail? [02:41] o sea, concuerdo en que es necesario hacer las cosas porque te das cuenta que es necesario, y que si uno no lo hace... entonces quien? [02:41] Lord_Athur, quieres un mail gmail ? [02:42] Lord_Athur: enviame un mail a mhz@tecnocimiento.cl [02:42] Lord_Athur: o un gmail es seguro sin problemas [02:42] ok [02:43] entonces usar mi cuenta gmail [02:43] Lord_Athur, a ok [02:43] :) [02:43] Lord_Athur, pero no te registres de nuevo [02:43] Lord_Athur, te cambio la passwd yo [02:43] y te la envio [02:43] ok [02:43] te doy mi mail por privado? === mhz phone [02:57] gracias arkan0x [02:58] Lord_Athur, eres de stgo ? [02:58] si [02:58] y tu igual, verdad? [02:58] Lord_Athur, sipos [02:58] Lord_Athur, para que participes con nosotros en el cdsl [03:00] si [03:00] maana en el encuentro me presentar [03:00] adems ya casi termina el colegio [03:00] :) [03:00] tu vas en la universidad segn mencion mhz [03:01] Lord_Athur, sep [03:01] actualic mis datos en la poag de cdsl, ahora los mail me llegarn a gmail, verdad? [03:02] Lord_Athur, nop , osea la idea es participar ,osea ir al cdsl para que te inscribamos en la lista de correo [03:02] Lord_Athur, puedes utilizar la web para crear contenido , hacer consultas en tu blog , etc [03:02] entiendo [03:03] maana ir a la reunin [03:03] de cdsl [03:03] Lord_Athur, aunque los avisos siempre se publican en la web y en la lista [03:03] Lord_Athur, es un install fest [03:03] ok [03:03] jajaja [03:03] entiendo [03:03] pero.... [03:03] a que se refiere install fest? [03:03] Lord_Athur, festival de instalacion [03:04] Lord_Athur, llevas tu pc y te instalamos linux [03:04] osea , instalamos linux [03:04] "juntos" [03:04] ap ok [03:04] pero ya tengo instalado linux [03:04] :S [03:04] Lord_Athur, van a ver charlas/demos [03:05] por eso ir :) [03:05] de software grafico y de edubuntu [03:05] adems quiero empezar a participar [03:05] en esto de edubuntu [03:05] :) [03:05] Lord_Athur: bienvenido a edubuntu [03:06] Lord_Athur: tecnocimiento en Chile dese hacer el EdubuntuChileanTour [03:06] gracias [03:06] :) [03:06] para eso estamos organizando una base de datos de cerca de 1000 colegios [03:06] mhz, me das el enlace a la pag de tecnocimiento por favor? [03:06] para invitar profesores y alumnos a conocer edubuntu y hacer "trabajo de evangelizacion" [03:07] www.tecnocimiento.cl [03:07] est en la nmina el mo? [03:07] Lord_Athur, cual colegio ? [03:07] Lord_Athur: si quieres, estara :D [03:07] Lastarria [03:07] Lord_Athur, pinguino xD [03:07] Lord_Athur, nonon [03:07] Lord_Athur, pitufo x [03:07] hehehehe [03:08] jajjaa [03:08] su [03:08] si as nos dicen [03:08] Lord_Athur, por la camisa azul [03:08] arkan0x, de que colegio eras? [03:08] si [03:08] INBA [03:08] por la camisa [03:08] Lord_Athur: ademas seria bueno si pudieras ayudarnos con EdubuntuSoftwareList y con EdubuntuStudyPackages [03:08] INBA? [03:08] ambos conceptos son paginas del wiki.edubuntu.org/ [03:08] barros arana [03:09] ok [03:09] :) [03:09] con EdubuntuSoftwareList, necesitamos conocer para que edades serian utiles las palicaciones (algunas son obvias, pero es mejor especificalras) [03:09] y saber tambien si.. [03:10] son factibles de cruzar con el curriculum o plan de estudio [03:10] eso creo [03:10] o sea, ej: Kalzium, tabla periodica, quimica, util para 2 y 3 medio? [03:10] coasa asi [03:10] pero mhz creo que para todo eso es fundamental tener un edubuntu live [03:11] mhz, la tabla periodica se usa entre 1 y 4 [03:11] :) [03:11] toda la enseanza media segn los planes de estudio regulares [03:11] :) [03:11] demas, pero todavia no podra ser. Sera muy pronto eso si. Y si con tecnocimiento logramos hacer lo que tenemo splaneado, entonces nosotros mismo podremos hacer ese edubuntu live [03:11] :) [03:12] quisiera aprender a programar en linux [03:12] pero por ahora... esperar y trabajar en prepara material para evangelizar [03:12] deberias empezar por python [03:12] hay un libro escrito por un profe super choro, especialmente disenado para ensenar a quien no sabe programar [03:13] y basa toda su ensenanza desde python [03:13] maana me das el nombre [03:13] del libro [03:13] :) [03:13] np [03:13] ? [03:13] "como pensar como un cientifico de la computacion desde python [03:13] Lord_Athur: np = no problem [03:14] a ok [03:14] yo antes programaba en VB para win [03:14] :P [03:14] jajaja [03:14] ya es una base [03:14] era "bsico" [03:14] jajaja [03:14] eso creo [03:14] que tambien puedes listar en tu homepage [03:15] saip [03:15] digo si [03:15] :P [03:15] creo que hay mucho que decir [03:15] mucho que hablar para mejorar ubuntu, kubuntu y edubuntu [03:16] demas [03:16] breezy no trae "mail" [03:16] me gusta escribir mails desde la terminal [03:16] pero es preciso definir las batallas, una a una, paso a paso [03:16] si [03:16] quizas porque 'mail' no era prioritario, no se. [03:17] en #ubunut-devel se reunen todos los encargados de programar y desarrollar tecnicamente [03:17] tal vez [03:17] han de hablar ingls [03:17] :S [03:17] sip [03:18] adems [03:18] los repositorios que trae la instacin de ubuntu, k y edu son muy malos [03:18] casi nunca encuentro los paquetes [03:18] que busco [03:19] arkan0x: Lord_Athur: estare revisando el "panfelto" de ubuntu de manana. beepeen me si me necesitan. arkan0x seria prudente habilitar tu 'beep' de XChat :D [03:19] Lord_Athur: pero has editado tu source.list? [03:19] no con breezy [03:19] ahh [03:20] he tenido malas experiencias al cambiar el source [03:20] :S [03:20] descomenta todos los pares de lineas universe y multiverse [03:20] y deja descomentadas las lineas de 'estable' [03:20] para seguridad [03:21] en el fondo.. descomento todo [03:21] luego update y busca los paquetes que deseas. [03:21] mhz, ??>> osea mas rato me envias el documento > [03:21] ? [03:21] ccasi todo, si [03:21] ahora mismo estoy en eso :) === mhz is now known as mhz_editing [03:22] mhz_editing, [03:22] espera [03:22] no tienes un enlace a una lista de soruces? [03:22] bueno mejor lo hablamos maana [03:22] Hasta luego arkan0x: mhz_editing: [03:22] bye === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [03:54] ogra: hey === arkan0x [n=arkan0x@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:16] arkan0x: ya [04:17] al maile [04:18] arkanox at gmail dot com [04:18] yeah! [04:18] avisame como se ve, pls [04:20] mhz_editing, podria ser pdf ? ,eske no tengo instalado en arch oo2 [04:21] me pase a arch por este rato , taba montando un repositorio de arch [04:21] hehehe, np [04:21] w8 [04:24] yap [04:24] oks === arkan0x printing first copy [04:28] cool [04:29] mhz_editing, :( problemas con la tipografia [04:29] no se ve bien [04:29] chico? gande? [04:29] logo feo? [04:29] y recien imprimi algo con tipografia comun [04:29] mhz_editing, no [04:30] algunas letras no se ven vien [04:30] los logos estan guenos [04:30] ejemplo? [04:30] es por la fuente utilizada [04:30] :( [04:31] a que hora te levantas manana? [04:31] mmm cmo alas 9 [04:31] es que ahora debo ponerme a imprimir tarjetas [04:31] mhz_editing, okz [04:31] tan tarde? [04:31] :) [04:31] voy a ir a ubuntu para cambiar la tipografia [04:32] si no, podria, una vez sepa como me salen las tarjetas, volver a trabajr en esto [04:32] mhz_editing, nnonn [04:32] mhz_editing, aora imprimi de nuevo [04:32] y salio bien [04:32] xD [04:32] ??? [04:32] me estay? [04:32] :D [04:32] eske lo hize primero con evince , y dp con gpdf [04:32] mhz_editing, no , no te estoy .... [04:32] ahhh [04:32] entonces si sale ok? [04:32] mhz_editing, recuerda estoy en archlinux , lo ultimo... [04:33] arkan0x: rlz [04:33] voy a la impresora y vuelvo altiro [04:33] ppor ende , unstable, mas encima toy con archlinux testing ... [04:33] peor aun xD === mhz_editing is now known as mhz_printing [04:33] hehehe [04:38] mhz_printing, ! [04:38] mhz_printing, ! [04:38] mhz_printing, problema , difucion es difusion ! [04:38] imprimi 7 xD asi [04:38] ejje [04:42] mhz_printing, modifica porfa lo de difusion , [04:42] del pdf === mhz_printing [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:02] hey [05:08] arkan0x: estas? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:46] re === konfuzed [n=KonfuzeD@H129.C72.B0.tor.eicat.ca] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.106.2.151] has joined #edubuntu === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Madpilot [n=bburger@S0106000d88b9f3db.gv.shawcable.net] has left #edubuntu [] === khermans [n=khermans@69-174-196-73.albyny.adelphia.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:43] My client is failing to connect -- error on boot is "Sending ProxyDHCP request to 192.168.1.3..." [08:43] it doesnt do anything after that [08:43] i already replaced the /etc/ltsp/dhcp config from 192.168.0 === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu [11:36] re === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.5.114.159] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:19] Hola [12:20] hello [12:22] jejeje [12:22] arkan0x, aren't you sleeping? [12:23] Lord_Athur, nop ,pero working [12:23] ap ok [12:23] may a carry to the install fest any instalation cd of ubuntu? [12:24] I won't install it, but maybe other... [12:24] :P [12:35] arkan0x, have you got your own homepage in wiki? [12:36] Lord_Athur, nop [12:36] tienes el enlace a la de mhz? [12:40] tecnocimiento.cl === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:41] ok === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:59] hi [01:00] G'day mhz [01:00] Yagisan: hey happy and tired gifted daddy [01:01] mhz: not so happy - wife is getting bad news about her parents [01:01] mhz: One seems very sick [01:01] Yagisan: ooops, sorry to hear that [01:02] what's the prob? [01:02] mhz: I'm not sure yet - but my wife is in tears - so it is not good [01:05] man, I am truly sorry. [01:05] difficult sitiations call for extreame solutions [01:06] is praying a solutions for you? [01:06] I mean, is faith a way to face things? === mhz has faith in a huge something but he practices no religion [01:11] mhz: I am not a religious person, so that doesn't work for me. I hope too find out the exact details of what is wrong soon [01:11] mhz: as she is on the phone to her parents now [01:18] oh, ok, I see. I am not a religious person either, but I always see details that remind me there's something else. [01:18] :) [01:26] mhz, your that MauricioHernandez guy? [01:26] or am i confusing people here [01:26] spacey: yup [01:26] i am [01:27] did you read my mail at list? === zakame [n=zak@210.5.93.177] has joined #edubuntu [01:27] spacey: could you be more spceific ? :D [01:28] the studypackagestuff [01:28] at edubuntu mailinglist [01:29] i replied at your thread [01:29] oooohhh [01:30] so far, I have 8 mails regarding that [01:30] what is your email address? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [01:31] so far, Mallory and Herman, and the rest are latinamerican folks [01:31] ogra: morning? [01:32] i'm Herman [01:32] sorry [01:32] duh!, no wonder I couldnt find your match :D [01:32] forget that you can't see it on my nick [01:32] yup [01:32] I am no running from CIA so I can use my name :D [01:33] hehe [01:33] same here [01:33] spacey: indeed, I am looking at sourceforge [01:33] schoolforge [01:33] uh [01:33] sorry [01:33] y [01:33] sorry [01:33] schoolforge [01:33] but they only state that they do content, they don't seem to have it [01:33] and we can just use their stuff if they have [01:33] I remember I saw the project long time ago [01:33] ;p [01:34] yup [01:34] i'll see what comes up tonight [01:34] off to work now. [01:34] cya === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:34] hi [01:34] mhz, [01:34] buen da [01:34] that is why I proposed this edubuntu project. I had visited many sites and none providing real contents [01:34] Lord_Athur: hi there [01:35] hi [01:35] spacey: thx anyways, please jump in and lets work 2gether [01:35] Lord_Athur: estoy por cerrar mi tarro y arreglar cosasa para ir al CDSL [01:35] iras? [01:36] ogra: my today biz cards include 'edubuntu' logo. I hope it's ok [01:36] mhz, sure [01:36] hi btw [01:36] ogra: and if needed, I can upload the SVG tonite (it is letter size for 10 biz cards each sheet) [01:36] hehehe [01:37] ogra: so, did you read my pinging questions about responsibilities and Launchpad group for study packages? === ogra has company cards from canonical so he doesnt really care ... [01:37] hehehehe [01:37] well, that's diff :D === mhz spent 3 hours between designing them, printing them, cut them, etc [01:37] i think its ok if everyone who is in the edubuntu launchpad team can also print cards ... [01:38] so put them up if you want [01:38] there seems to be no svg version of the CD cover ... [01:38] yup, and you gotta be motivated to do spend 3 hours (1.5 hour only cutting them) [01:38] could you upload one ? [01:38] you can go to a copy shop, the do it for you ;) [01:38] (at least here) [01:39] ogra: yup, there's only SVG version (old with little text mistakes compared o the one in breezy) in the old wiki page EdubuntuCdCoverAndSlip [01:39] nope, thats a png ... you just named it svg [01:40] ogra: yup, but it was 01:30 AM when I started and I have to save each penny for EdubuntuChileanTour [01:40] ogra: wrong :D === mhz will get it to you [01:40] bye to everyone [01:40] :) [01:41] mhz, dont get it to me, get it to the wiki ;) [01:41] http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuCdAndSlip?action=AttachFile [01:41] all .svg attachment are pngs there [01:44] ogra: nope, I have just downloaded SVG from that url I just gave you [01:44] :) [01:44] i only get pngs from it, no matter what i try [01:44] weired [01:44] and others apparently too [01:45] and you see all this listing? [01:45] * [get | view] (720.3 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverV1.svg [01:45] * [get | view] (32.4 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverV2.png [01:45] * [get | view] (118.4 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverV2.svg [01:45] * [get | view] (205.4 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdCoverWithWorldV2.svg [01:45] * [get | view] (1162.6 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdSlipV1.svg [01:45] * [get | view] (181.2 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdSlipV2.png [01:45] * [get | view] (741.8 KB) attachment:edubuntu_CdSlipV2.svg [01:45] oh, sorry, i used the links from the page... [01:45] ahhh [01:45] see? [01:45] how are users supposed to get the svgs ` [01:45] ? [01:45] I know, I know u r right [01:46] it is just that as Pablo was supposed to provide the last corrections (his text versions were traced so nobody could actually change text to avoid font printing diff) [01:47] I waited and waited to upload the last editable text SVG versions [01:47] why should someone change the text ? [01:47] ok, I'll upload old ones in the meantime [01:48] hmmmmmm, don't know. But we had based our ideas on hoary texts, not breezy [01:48] isnt that the text JaneW approved ? [01:48] and there are some slight diff [01:48] like "for your PC version" [01:48] the back text? yes === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #edubuntu [01:48] the text on the cd label? yup, but she also mentioned a change in "free to copy" part [01:49] and someonel else pointed the "for your PC version" instead of "x86 version" [01:49] then please change it in the version, but i''m not happy with people makiong random changes to the text [01:49] those minimal text diff, I could not edit becuase of the "traced" texts [01:50] PC version is confusing ... [01:50] *sighs* [01:50] I am just a volunteer [01:50] macintoshes are power *PCs* [01:50] EXACTLY! [01:50] so please leave the architecture as is [01:50] I did not want to change it either, but... [01:50] its the same on the breezy covers afaik [01:50] really? [01:51] now tyou tell men? :D [01:51] now ou tell me? :D [01:51] ahhhh [01:51] i didnt know you were changing it [01:51] EKBD [01:51] okis [01:51] please discuss such changes on the mailing list, dont just silently make them [01:51] so I will change the "free to copy" thing JaneW asked me [01:52] i want to be able to know if i have a ppc, x86 or amd64 CD i install from [01:52] ogra: now I know. I am kind of shy sometimes (only sometimes) [01:52] there must be a way to distinguish them [01:52] :) [01:52] yup, indeed [01:53] okis, so, in the meantime, i'll upload those old versions and tonite, I'll upload new version "free to copy" thing [01:53] yup [01:56] http://www.gnuskole.dk/ === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.225] has joined #edubuntu [01:58] i think fabbione works with them [01:59] oh, I understood nothing, only the name [02:00] files at home, people can proceed [02:01] ogra: I am leaving for the InstallFest and did I mention TV will be there ? [02:01] ogra: so, did you read my pinging questions about responsibilities and Launchpad group for study packages? [02:01] yup, you did :) ggod luck [02:01] thx === mhz doesnt know if TV coverage will be uploaded [02:02] mhz, yes, i dont understand whats your prob with it ... the project needs someone to be responsible for it... [02:02] ogra: no problem at all [02:02] so thats why jane asked if you take that responsibility [02:02] just ignorant about ubuntu procedures [02:02] I can take responsibilities, no problem [02:03] wondering if organizing group work means I also have to crate a group in LaunchPad? or it is only needed via wiki, etc. [02:03] since the packages will be separate for now (or do you think you can make it in the next 6 weeks before UVF ?) i dont think you need to match any ubuntu procedures yet [02:04] it would be cool to have a launchpad team for it ... [02:04] so you can track who is committed to the project [02:04] oohh, I see. That info I didnt know it. [02:04] LP/ yup, i thought so but I had to ask before, or no? [02:04] upstream version freeze means there will be no new upstream versions of packages === mhz remembers ogra "suffered" that sindrom :D [02:05] this is around mid/end of january ... i'd have to look it up in the release schadule, there is the xact date [02:05] okis, so I have more info for my talk now. [02:05] thx for clarifying that to me [02:06] BTW, edubuntu was 57 yeasterday at distrowathc :( [02:06] we are fully bound to the ubuntu release schedule ... [02:06] no problem, I think it has its positiveness === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.5.114.159] has joined #edubuntu [02:06] ogra: have a nice day [02:06] bye [02:07] you too :) === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E62D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ryaj02 [n=ryaj02@203.87.196.234] has joined #edubuntu === ryaj02 [n=ryaj02@203.87.196.234] has left #edubuntu [] === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu === ogra [n=ogra@p5089F3E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:38] why is kubuntu-artwork-usplash a dependency of kubuntu-desktop? [03:39] -ECHANNEL? [03:39] I want to have edubuntu usplash and not kubuntu, how can I set the bootsplash? [03:39] crimsun: ? [03:39] install edubuntu-artwork-usplash [03:39] lucasvo, sudo dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-`uname -r` [03:40] after installing edubuntu-artwork-usplash indeed [03:40] yep, gotta run that step [03:41] there was no usplash upgrade option in breezy and reconfiguring linux-image from another package on upgrades is evil ... so you have to run it manually ... [03:41] ogra: the problem is I installed the kubunut-desktop because I would like to have kde but I can't remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash... [03:41] dapper has a usplash upgrade option without touching the linux-image package [03:41] lucasvo@lama:~$ dpkg --list | grep usplash [03:41] ii edubuntu-artwork-usplash 0.1.0-9 edubuntu artwork for usplash [03:41] ii kubuntu-artwork-usplash 5.10-19 kubuntu artwork for usplash [03:41] ii usplash 0.1-22 Userspace bootsplash utility [03:41] lucasvo@lama:~$ [03:41] just remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash [03:42] it does no harm... [03:42] I last installed kubuntu-artwork-usplash and I can't remove it because it is a dependancy of kubuntu-desktop [03:42] and I want kde [03:42] lucasvo@lama:~$ sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-artwork-usplash [03:42] Reading package lists... Done [03:42] Building dependency tree... Done [03:42] The following packages will be REMOVED: [03:42] kubuntu-artwork-usplash kubuntu-desktop [03:42] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [03:43] thats fine [03:43] you only need to install edubuntu-artwork-usplash and execute the dpkg-reconfigure command that ogra gave you [03:43] you wont loose kde [03:43] so what is kubuntu-desktop? [03:43] a metapackage [03:43] (like edubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-desktop) [03:43] it only cares for pulling in all the kde stuff [03:43] aha [03:43] ok [03:44] you might need it if you onceupgrade the complete system to the next release, but until then its useless [03:44] ogra: ok [03:44] as well as the other -desktop packages .. [03:44] ogra: what is release of edubuntu dapper? [03:44] ? [03:45] when will it be released? [03:45] april [03:45] s/what/when/g [03:45] ogra: no exact date available/ [03:45] we always release in april and october [03:45] look at the release schedule on the iki... i cant remember from the top of my head [03:45] *wiki [03:46] ok [03:47] ogra: is dapper available for non-developers as an image or package server? [03:47] sure, but you dont want to try it yet :) [03:48] ogra: whats wrong? [03:48] you can either change your repositorys to upgrade to dapper ... or grab an image from cdimage.ubuntu.com [03:48] kernel and hardware detection changes for example [03:49] the bootprocess gets reworked completely... [03:49] if you dont know how to solve problems on a very low level you wont be able to boot at one point etc ... if aou feel confident you can work around bugs and breakage, try it ;) [03:51] hm miuubuntu ist stalled on dapper roadmap :( [03:54] whats miuubuntu [03:54] ? [03:58] ogra: I don't know how to make the "miu" on my keyboard [03:59] you mean micro ? [03:59] ogra: yes [03:59] the greek letter miu [03:59] thats idling since hoary ... [03:59] ogra: yes too bad [03:59] i dont think anybody has time for it ... [03:59] is there any way how to speed it up as a normal user? [04:00] develop it ;) [04:00] ogra: not as a developer [04:00] find developers doing it for you would be the alternative then :) [04:01] ogra: make a bounty? [04:01] if you have the money :) [04:02] ogra: I don't [04:02] ogra: makr shuttleworth has it :D [04:02] he would bounty it if he would like to put money in it :) [04:02] ogra: too bad that normal users don't write bugreports [04:03] one should make it more easy [04:03] we have 20000 bugs in bugzilla... do you think they are only written by developers ? [04:03] normally normal users write bugreports :) [04:05] lucasvo: I write bug reports [04:06] lucasvo: and occasionally, the patch that fixes it too. I'm just a "normal" user [04:06] Yagisan: I do as well, [04:06] but my sister doesn't :D [04:07] and I don't have time to teach her how to do it so one should make a guide [04:08] lucasvo: why ? click report a new bug, type description, click ok - how hard is that ? [04:09] mhz is gone now isn't he ? [04:09] Yagisan: say why one should report bugs, where one should report bugs etc. [04:11] Yagisan, yup... he does a presentation [04:12] ogra: thanks [04:12] lucasvo: Do we really need to state that if you don't report it, it won't be fixed ? [04:13] lucasvo: it is already documented on the ubuntu.com website === juliux [n=juliux@141.30.211.85] has joined #edubuntu === b3ar1n0 [n=b3ar@151.56.59.56] has joined #edubuntu [04:25] ogra: will you teacher administration panel applet work when you will release dapper? [04:28] depends how many people contribute to it [04:28] its not my main focus [04:28] is there any way how to open rar files with archivmanager? [04:29] lucasvo, you have to install unrar i think [04:29] most likely unrar-nonfree from multiverse [04:31] juliux: thanls [04:31] thanks [04:31] lucasvo, np === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #edubuntu === Topic for #edubuntu: The discussion channel for Edubuntu - the education version of Ubuntu | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com edubuntu-devel | Wiki: http://www.edubuntu.org | NEXT MEETING: Nov 23 12:00 UTC on #ubuntu-meeting. | Edubuntu 5.10 is out, grab it while its hot ! http://releases.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/5.10/ | Installation help http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuInstallNotes | Yagisan has a boy !! === Topic (#edubuntu): set by ogra at Sat Nov 19 16:35:42 2005 === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [06:22] I would like to have openmosix on ltsp client's [06:22] :D [06:23] if you want to migrate from normal client structure to ltsp you want to keep your old powerful hardware and use it, you don't want to buy a new server... [06:24] currently we have some rather basic tasks to do... things like clustering have no high priority yet... [06:24] thats a dapper+1 thing ... [06:52] ogra: are there any dapper+1 name proposals? [06:53] nope, not yet [06:53] nobody thinks about dapper+1 now :) [06:53] ogra: a friend has a working openmosix & ltsp server client environnment, but with debian kernel 2.4 [06:54] thats no option... we'll never use 2.4 === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-174-135.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [06:56] ogra: I first have to try out how to build a normal kernel before building one with openmosix [06:57] you use kernel-package for ubuntu kernels [06:58] ogra: you mean the source? [06:59] nope, the package kernel-package has all the tools you need to build a package with the kernel for ubuntu [06:59] i.e. make-kpkg which is the most essential part [07:02] ogra: when I build my own ltsp kernel, I can disable scsi and ide/sata? [07:02] to speed up booting? [07:02] doesnt matter if you have no ide controller the modules wont get loaded anyway ... [07:03] and note that building a kernel right that even works with initramfs is non-trivial ... [07:03] non-trivial, I don't understand? [07:03] afaik openmosix doesnt work with 2.6 at all... but i might be wrong [07:03] its a task *i* wouldnt do [07:04] ogra:it says avaible from CVS [07:04] ogra: but isn't there already the configure-file from the actual kernel in the fs? [07:05] sure [07:05] so you can look up whats built in [07:11] ogra: I thought one can copy it to current kernel source and than use make-xconf or whatever it is called, to adjust it? [07:11] sure [07:12] but you should use make-kpkg to create a linux-image package ... else you wont get it working with ubuntus initramfs === thak [n=chad@ip68-103-163-217.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:30] anyone have any thoughts on what to look for when my thin clients can't even get an ip address from my edubuntu ltsp server? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === thak [n=chad@ip68-103-163-217.ks.ok.cox.net] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084DD7B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [08:11] question about https://wiki.ubuntu.com//LTSPHowTo <- is this howto not obsolete now? [08:12] not for warty and hoary [08:13] but it should be noted in red and 48pt bold letters that itsn not for > hoary === hendrik_ [n=hendrik@rndf-ip-nas-ov-1-p150.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [08:13] ogra you mean breezy? :) [08:13] i meant bigger than hoary [08:14] k [08:14] ;) [08:14] ok; breezy uses ltsp 4.13 right? [08:14] sorry ... programmer [08:14] nope [08:14] my mouse on ltsp client doesn't work anymore :( [08:14] breezy uses its own implementation [08:15] i know but which version is this? Or do you have another number convention? [08:15] yes, breezy ltsp 0.58 [08:15] ok [08:16] ltsp.org is adopting it as ltsp 4.2 [08:16] so in near future the differences should be smaller between this implementations? [08:16] yes [08:19] i will try to write down some german answers - i kind of faq :) but I will need your help; I have read the logfiles of the last 3 weeks and found interesting some questions/answers [08:20] crap! I can't get my mouse on the client to work [08:20] what did you break ? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [08:27] ogra: just made a new ltsp system [08:28] sudo ltsp-build-client [08:37] ogra: do you know what I could have done wrong? [08:37] ogra: reboot doesn't work [08:38] is the psmouse module loaded on the client ? [08:38] (you need to set a root pw in the chroot and log in on console) [08:38] ah yes exactly I need to do this [08:39] that's what I did last time [08:39] add psmouse to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/modules [08:39] but i still would like to know why its not getting loaded ... [08:39] must be a udev/hotplug bug [08:40] yes === AstroKing [n=AstroKin@cpe-70-122-99-21.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu [08:52] I have a Grub question with Error 18. I'm a newbie, just so you know. Google said it's something to do with grub being installed beyond the last cylinder of the hard drive (this is an old 10 gig drive on a P2-400mhz.). Is there any way to fix or move grub? I've tried installing this twice and it's the same error. [08:53] change the LBA setting for your disk in the BIOS [08:55] Can you tell me what LBA stands for? [08:57] logical block adressing or something similar [08:57] in the BIOS it says size is 528 and cylinders 1024, head 16. it's in AUTO mode, so i'm assuming it's detecting this correctly. [09:00] got it fixed! i did change that setting but also used ultimate boot cd to reinstall grub. it's booting up now..thanks a million, ogra. [09:00] :) [09:01] ogra: soon you are a millionaire [09:01] heh [09:01] nope i dont want to be one ... [09:01] too much taxes, lol [09:02] i work for one, thats enough ;) [09:02] ogra: communist? [09:02] ogra: lol [09:03] nope, but for a million you also have to do work for a million ... [09:03] ogra: that is true [09:03] ogra: like get out into space for affrica? :D [09:04] uuh, i wouldnt want that ... even if its exciting if mark talks about ... [09:04] if i could just beam into ISS i'd surely go :) [09:09] ogra: is it an unpleasant flight/ [09:09] yes [09:10] and i got enough with flying to all these conferences [09:10] i'm not a big fly fan.... [09:10] neither of the insects nor of the activity [09:11] ogra: you go to conferences in london? === b3ar1n0 [n=b3ar@151.56.59.56] has joined #edubuntu === AstroKing [n=AstroKin@cpe-70-122-99-21.houston.res.rr.com] has left #edubuntu [] [09:12] the edubuntu summit was there ... beginnig of the year === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu === hendrik_ [n=hendrik@rndf-ip-nas-ov-1-p150.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === norbert [n=norbert@dslb-084-060-104-160.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E62D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has left #edubuntu ["Abandonando"] === blue-frog [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === bluefrog-10 [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:32] heyhi [11:32] :) [11:33] does anyone have a soures list for edubuntu breezy? [11:37] [11:37] come on! [11:37] same as ubuntu [11:37] but [11:38] with the default lista of sources I cannot install any programs [11:38] and what is your default? [11:38] mmm [11:39] do I write to you a copy of the breezy sources list ? === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E62D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:39] synaptic > repositories shows what? [11:40] pastebin.com [11:40] ok [11:41] bluefrog-10, I read you have made a bash script with menus to install/configure apt-proxy. Can I have a look at it? [11:41] sending it to you... [11:42] littlepaul, accept the file works or not? [11:43] bluefrog-10, pls send it to littlepaul AT 110-support.de; it didn't worked [11:43] i paste it to pastebin.com [11:43] k [11:43] just put it in a file and make u+x [11:44] thx [11:45] http://pastebin.com/439106 [11:46] got it; thx [11:47] hum hang on need to send it to u by mail apparently pastebin has a limitation on the number of lines... [11:47] don't see all the lines i have in my script [11:49] u should have it by mail by now... [11:50] got it; and now I'm also aware about this line limitation :) [11:50] just run the script, a menu will appear in your terminal, then it's pretty much straight forward.. [11:51] it's not the best code written as 4 days before I didn't know anything about bash but so far it's working.. [11:52] I will show this script to juliux; we are next week in Essen [11:52] littlepaul, and by the way any comment interests me (especially bad ones..) [11:53] littlepaul, which script? [11:53] as it is it's not finished as i need to implementsamb-ldap user management but didn't have time [11:53] the script I got a few minutes ago :) a bash script with menus to install/configure apt-proxy. [11:53] but every menu that is implemented so far works ok on a fresh install... [11:54] hm i don't need apt-proxy, i have a mirror in the lan [11:55] the scripts brings much more than apt-proxy :) [11:55] and i found out few days ago that i could do nice boxes with zenity so am going to do that when time will allow me.. [11:56] yes zentiy is a nice thing [11:56] hum only samba-ldap (no ssl) [11:56] ok [11:57] if any can improve the samba-ldap to working with ssl (not difficult, i should have done it) but especially with tls (samba part), I'll be glad, I foun d a lot of theory everywhere on the web but no one with a working example [11:58] ldap ssl easy, samba tls another story (at least for me [11:58] :/ [11:59] bluefrog-10, did ogra already had look over your script? [11:59] i should have put a warning for apt-proxy, use a static address... [12:00] no [12:00] talk to him once that i waas doing something but he hasn't seen it === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #edubuntu [12:01] wanted to put it on wiki but i wanted to implement the samb-ldap user management before doing so to give people not a half finished samb-ldap implementation.. [12:02] littlepaul, you can distribute it if u want it has been done for that purpose anyway...