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| Riddell | \sh: kdelibs is in | 12:29 |
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| \sh | Riddell: saw it...rock :) | 12:30 |
| Riddell | appologies for the delay | 12:30 |
| \sh | name of it? kdelibs4c2a? | 12:30 |
| \sh | no ways :) | 12:30 |
| Riddell | yes, but build-dep on kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5-rc2) | 12:30 |
| \sh | lets see what we can do for universe and other stuff :) | 12:33 |
| \sh | what about kdebase? 3.5-rc1 is uploaded..i think you are updating them.. | 12:34 |
| Riddell | yes, I'm just checking in pbuilder then I'll upload alkl of kde 3.5 rc2 | 12:34 |
| Riddell | all | 12:34 |
| \sh | k | 12:35 |
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| Riddell | \sh: why does kdiff3 need libacl1-dev and libattr1-dev? | 01:08 |
| \sh | this is one secret I have to find out/ | 01:09 |
| \sh | it wants libacl.la and libattr.la | 01:09 |
| Riddell | spooky | 01:09 |
| \sh | from where, and why...I'll check tomorrow :) | 01:09 |
| \sh | yeah | 01:09 |
| \sh | was just a test compile against the new kdelibs :) | 01:09 |
| Riddell | hmm, wonder if that's a problem with kdelibs4-dev then | 01:11 |
| \sh | are you using somewhere libarchive? | 01:11 |
| Riddell | what's that? | 01:11 |
| \sh | shermann@r200:~$ apt-cache rdepends libattr1-dev | 01:11 |
| \sh | libattr1-dev | 01:11 |
| \sh | Reverse Depends: | 01:12 |
| \sh | libarchive-dev | 01:12 |
| \sh | bsdtar? | 01:12 |
| Riddell | kdelibs now uses libattr1-dev and libacl1-dev | 01:12 |
| \sh | uh | 01:13 |
| \sh | then we have some fun with getting rid of the .la | 01:13 |
| \sh | anyways..i'm done for this morning...later this afternoon I do what I can to rebuild kde universe | 01:15 |
| \sh | good night Riddell and thx for bringing kde3.5 to the people :) | 01:16 |
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| Riddell | yeah, looks like I need to add those to kdelibs4-dev | 01:17 |
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| Riddell | hello simon_, don't think I know you? | 02:39 |
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| mdz | Riddell: any news on amarok vs. anastacia? | 03:59 |
| Riddell | mdz: just pbuilding it now, it was synced to debian without gstreamer-mad being moved back to suggests | 03:59 |
| mdz | ok | 03:59 |
| Riddell | \sh_away: you uploaded amarok as a native package, careful with that | 04:23 |
| freeflying | Riddell:may you change the default chinese font to ttf-arphic-uming and ttf-arphic-ukai | 04:27 |
| Riddell | freeflying: what are the defaults currently and why are these ones better? | 04:28 |
| freeflying | Riddell: those i told with perform more better than now in dapper | 04:29 |
| Riddell | freeflying: have you tested them? | 04:29 |
| freeflying | Riddell: also there have another font can display chinese in bold defaultly | 04:29 |
| freeflying | Riddell: sure,we include them in our ubuntu-cn | 04:30 |
| Riddell | freeflying: ok, should be possible, could you write main inclusion reports? | 04:30 |
| Riddell | http://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue | 04:30 |
| freeflying | no problem | 04:31 |
| Riddell | freeflying: send me an e-mail when you've written them | 04:34 |
| Riddell | then I'll need to add the fonts to the seeds | 04:34 |
| freeflying | ok | 04:34 |
| freeflying | Riddell: and how about the skim ^_^ | 04:34 |
| freeflying | Riddell: need it more works ? | 04:34 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I'm doing REVU now :) | 04:34 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, I've been at home this week without my devel machine (thanksgiving), but when I return I think I'll need help with the remaining kmobiletools issues. I don't have amd64 or ppc machines to test it on (so I don't know if it's x86 only) and I'm not sure how to get rid of config.sub and config.guess since it wasn't there before. I might hit you up next week if that's all right | 04:40 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: sure | 04:41 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: any reason to believe it's i386 only? | 04:41 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: just add a rm -f config.sub config.guess line to the clear rule | 04:42 |
| seth_k|lappy | Riddell, no not really; are things usually cross-system as a rule? | 04:43 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: yep | 04:44 |
| seth_k|lappy | cheers | 04:44 |
| Riddell | seth_k|lappy: so you need to change i386 to any in debian/control | 04:44 |
| seth_k|lappy | yes | 04:44 |
| seth_k|lappy | I'll do it Sunday when I go back home :) it's been rather a pain b/c REVU is broken and I can't post comments, and siretart hasn't gotten back to me yet. I'll poke him again | 04:45 |
| Riddell | revu works for me | 04:46 |
| seth_k|lappy | Yeah, I'm a special case :P two identities on the same keychain | 04:48 |
| seth_k|lappy | and it got confused | 04:48 |
| seth_k|lappy | he just hasn't gotten back to me with a workaround or fix yet | 04:48 |
| seth_k|lappy | I switched from seth@sethkinast.com to seth@ubuntu.com for uploads | 04:48 |
| seth_k|lappy | but it won't give me a password for seth@ubuntu.com, since it has the same fingerprint as seth@sethkinast.com (same key, different IDs) | 04:48 |
| Riddell | how confusing | 04:53 |
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| simon_ | Riddell:Sorry, was asleep. I'm just lurking in the channel to see how things are going :) | 10:05 |
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| \sh | moins riddell | 12:34 |
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| pef | for french people : http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.fr.html :/ | 12:43 |
| pef | opensources software may become illegal in France | 12:44 |
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| author-psi | pef: omg | 12:54 |
| author-psi | pef: why? | 12:54 |
| pef | author-psi: opensource softwares cannot contains technical systems that allow a control of what you are doing, for example an activity which my be illegal | 12:56 |
| author-psi | pef: wtf... :/ mhm | 12:56 |
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| jpatrick | Riddell: ping | 01:07 |
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| amu | pef: stange, translated it via goole | 01:15 |
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| freeflying | amu: hi,how about your livecd | 01:41 |
| amu | upgraded runns without problems, if you have some time we can do it | 01:42 |
| Riddell | jpat|away: hi | 01:56 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: just wondering about what to do with kxdocker... | 01:57 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: upload it with new version but minimal changes from debian | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: I have uploaded a new one | 01:58 |
| Riddell | I think the changelog is the only thing that needs changing | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: and this one makes a .deb | 01:58 |
| Riddell | that's always a good sign :) | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | (which has the files) | 01:58 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I've correct the error in rules and re-upload it | 01:58 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: also updated StyleClock | 02:01 |
| Riddell | freeflying: which package? | 02:01 |
| freeflying | Riddell: skim | 02:01 |
| Riddell | ok, I'll take a look at those shortly | 02:01 |
| freeflying | eva need the next release | 02:02 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: also changed compats -> 5 | 02:05 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: on which? | 02:06 |
| jpatrick | Both | 02:06 |
| amu | freeflying: let me test the german version, the build runs without problems, something must be strange :) | 02:11 |
| freeflying | amu: without problems , is it great? :) | 02:12 |
| amu | :) we'll see | 02:13 |
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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu Hug Day #ubuntu-bugs | debian merges needing to be done http://tinyurl.com/9cmuw | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || Make packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Kubuntu DVD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/". | ||
| === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Fri Nov 25 13:58:01 2005 | ||
| Riddell | mornfall: ping | 06:08 |
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| ytannus | hello? | 06:19 |
| Riddell | hello ytannus | 06:19 |
| ytannus | Hi Jonathan | 06:20 |
| Riddell | dood | 06:20 |
| ytannus | I red you wmail... thanks | 06:21 |
| Riddell | ytannus: doesn't matter if it's not your app, almost no pacakges are packaged by the author | 06:21 |
| Riddell | ytannus: and I recon your package would be a nice addition to our archives | 06:21 |
| ytannus | riddell: thanks, really I made a lot of package but I share it only with some friends... | 06:22 |
| Riddell | so the thing to do it point me at the sources and I'll review it and to poke a chap called siretat to give you an account on revu where you can upload it and it'll be reviewed properly | 06:22 |
| Riddell | what other packages have you made? | 06:22 |
| ytannus | right now I have this ones in mi hdd: | 06:22 |
| ytannus | comix-1.3.4_1.3.4-1_i386.deb libborqt_6.9.0-3_i386.deb metamonitor-0.3_0.3-1_i386.deb | 06:23 |
| ytannus | flatknifty_0.5-1_i386.deb libsipphoneapi_0.78.20051020-1_i386.deb metamonitor_0.4-1_i386.deb | 06:23 |
| ytannus | kdvdbackup_0.6-1_i386.deb lingot_0.6.1-1_i386.deb wlassistant-0.5.4a_0.5.4a-1_i386.deb | 06:23 |
| ytannus | kurses_0.1-1_i386.deb mdnsresponder_0.9.8-2_i386.deb | 06:23 |
| ytannus | well, lingot is not a kde application really | 06:23 |
| Riddell | wow :) | 06:23 |
| ytannus | ops, mdnsresponder is not my ;) | 06:24 |
| ytannus | anyway I can made all packages that we need... those are only what I need for mi computer | 06:24 |
| Riddell | so get an account on revu and upload the sources there, me or someone else will review them and before long we'll get them for all to use | 06:24 |
| ytannus | the thing is that I want to be a contributor ...just shoot me :) | 06:24 |
| Riddell | http://wiki.kubuntu.org/REVU | 06:25 |
| Riddell | actually the best way to help is to fix bugs but for some reason people prefer to make packages :) | 06:26 |
| ytannus | I guess that for fix bug you need to know programing, to make packages just sudo chackintall hehehe | 06:27 |
| ytannus | I'm not an expert programer, but I will try to check some bugs too | 06:27 |
| Riddell | woo :) | 06:27 |
| ytannus | ATTENTION: REVU HAS MOVED! Please update your dput.cf :S | 06:28 |
| Riddell | that was ages ago | 06:28 |
| Riddell | can probably be removed | 06:29 |
| ytannus | ok, my public key is sent... | 06:30 |
| ytannus | question, so I need a special program to upoload? revu is a program... what protocol is defined? | 06:31 |
| ytannus | so I need = do I need | 06:31 |
| ytannus | please, forget my question... I found the answer.... | 06:32 |
| Riddell | revu is http://revu.tauware.de/ | 06:32 |
| Riddell | upload with dput, which is just a frontend to an ftp uploader | 06:33 |
| ytannus | where do you have the bug list? | 06:34 |
| ytannus | (I'm using ncftp :) ) | 06:34 |
| Riddell | https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs | 06:35 |
| Riddell | is the universe bugs | 06:35 |
| Riddell | and search for kde on bugzilla.ubuntu.com for the main bugs | 06:35 |
| ytannus | ok, I'm uploading some ones, let me know if are ok... | 06:35 |
| Riddell | probably a lot of the entires in those are duplicate or invalid in some way | 06:35 |
| Riddell | you have a revu account already? | 06:36 |
| ytannus | nop, I'm uploading using anonymous account | 06:36 |
| Riddell | hmm, I suspect it will just throw those away | 06:36 |
| ytannus | I miss something...sorry :) | 06:37 |
| Riddell | you need to get your key included, then debuild -S and sign the package, then dput revu foo.changes to upload | 06:37 |
| ytannus | perfect | 06:38 |
| Riddell | but if you just upload the sources anywhere I can take a look at them nowish | 06:38 |
| ytannus | look: wiki said: "After your first upload, you will be automatically registered to the database and assigned a random password." | 06:39 |
| ytannus | but when I try to login i got: login for user "ytannus" failed, please retry or recover | 06:40 |
| Riddell | have you been given a password? | 06:40 |
| ytannus | yes and, the second time, no | 06:40 |
| Riddell | ytannus: /join #ubuntu-motu | 06:43 |
| ytannus | ok | 06:43 |
| ytannus | /join #ubuntu-motu | 06:43 |
| ytannus | haha sorry | 06:43 |
| Riddell | no space :) | 06:43 |
| ytannus | ;) | 06:43 |
| \sh | Riddell: you uploaded cdbs already? | 06:44 |
| Riddell | \sh: I did but it failed and I've no idea why | 06:44 |
| Riddell | \sh: feel free to try and work out why | 06:44 |
| \sh | Riddell: cdbs? forget it :) | 06:45 |
| \sh | hehe..i'll have a look while gambas is building | 06:45 |
| \sh | hmmm....one test out of 8 failed...I wonder which one | 06:46 |
| Riddell | the recursive.sh one | 06:47 |
| Riddell | works fine in my pbuilder | 06:47 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 06:47 |
| \sh | buildd admin involvement :) | 06:47 |
| \sh | but infinity is away...and lamont hates cdbs :) | 06:48 |
| Riddell | that's why I pinged jbailey but I guess he's doing this weekend thing people talk about | 06:48 |
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| lamont-away | \sh: and jbailey owns cdbs | 07:34 |
| \sh | lamont-away: bet now....cdbs build issue, or buildd issue? 50/50 and the winner will get some beer or whisky from me :) | 07:36 |
| === lamont-away tries to care. :-) | ||
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| lamont-away | ew. that's a jbailey issue | 07:51 |
| \sh | cdbs to hell :) | 07:54 |
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| Riddell | pef: you don't love kubuntu-bugs any more? | 08:23 |
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| mdz | Riddell: libakode-dev build-depends: libpolyp-dev, see anastacia | 08:55 |
| Riddell | mdz: fixed in akode_2-rc1-1ubuntu2, which has compiled but has a NEW binary package | 09:07 |
| mdz | Riddell: odd, it's in queue/accepted | 09:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: is kmail and co. uploads coming soon? | 09:09 |
| mdz | Riddell: it was accepted, but didn't enter the archive | 09:09 |
| Riddell | Diablo-D3: done, see dapper-changes | 09:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: yay. | 09:10 |
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| Riddell | mdz: why might it do that? | 09:10 |
| mdz | Riddell: I don't know; looks like one for elmo | 09:10 |
| mdz | queue/REPORT says it's being accepted, but it's still there | 09:11 |
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| \sh | Riddell: hmm..do you want to backport gpod support from 1.4svn? | 09:37 |
| Riddell | \sh: no, not if it's not in 1.3 | 09:43 |
| \sh | Riddell: it will be supported in 1.4 | 09:43 |
| Riddell | \sh: we'll wait for that then | 09:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: can I ask you your opinion on something? | 09:44 |
| Riddell | Diablo-D3: yes | 09:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: do you think there is room for another desktop environment? | 09:44 |
| Riddell | no! | 09:44 |
| Riddell | quite enough already | 09:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | but what if gnome and kde are flawed, and have no interest in fixing said flaws? | 09:45 |
| Riddell | we have interests in fixing all flaws | 09:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, kde only has one major flaw | 09:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | that flaw is the fact it uses c++ | 09:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont see that one being fixed anytime soon. | 09:46 |
| Riddell | well guidance as used in kubuntu is the first program in KDE SVN that uses python | 09:46 |
| Riddell | but c++ is better than C | 09:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont see python as the answer either | 09:46 |
| === Diablo-D3 wants to see kde rewritten in objc. | ||
| Riddell | that would be gnustep you want then | 09:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: ever notice who owns #gnustep-dev? ;) | 09:47 |
| Riddell | but I don't see any significant advantage in porting the whole of kde and qt to another compiled language | 09:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah, I dont think gnustep is the answer either, mainly because gnustep never formed a desktop environment. | 09:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | though that doesnt top me from using gnustep to further my goals. | 09:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | *step | 09:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | argh | 09:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | *ess tee ooh pee | 09:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | curse the typo daemon! | 09:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: I dont see any reason why c++ was used in the first place | 09:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | c++ only causes problems to large projects. | 09:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | kde, of course, is a good example of how to beat c++ into submission, but you still suffer from other c++isms | 09:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | such as this whole abi transition | 09:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wouldnt care if these only happened once in a blue moon, but it happens every new major gcc version | 09:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | if kde had been written in objc, this would never happen. | 09:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: so thats why I think kde is almost perfect... the choice of language was wrong. | 09:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | other than that, the quality itself is pretty much unsurpassed. | 09:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the functionality is great | 09:53 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: so, with that said, you still think there is no room for a third major desktop environment? | 09:54 |
| Riddell | c++ transitions are a pain for packagers like me but they shouldn't affect users. and I'm not convinced that the same thing wouldn't happen with objective-c | 09:54 |
| Riddell | nope | 09:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | the same thing wouldnt happen because the api is unchanging. | 09:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the abi 'doesnt exist' | 09:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the actual abi stuff is defined by C. | 09:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, the stuff that matters anyhow | 09:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: Im wondering if you're right, though | 09:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | I've asked a few others who's opinions I value (you included, of course) and they've been saying the same thing | 09:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | even some of the hardcore gnustep fans and devs pretty much wonder where an objc-based desktop environment's place is | 09:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: you know whats funny? | 09:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | gnustep was the original gnome. | 09:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | until the fsf decided to kick gnustep to the roadside, and startup gnome | 09:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | they decided "oh, objc sucks! we need something thats C! and has no functionality! and is a total pain in the ass to develop for!" | 10:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | "and we need to kill kde, because it uses qt which isnt FREE SOFTWARE!" | 10:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: do me a favor, dont ever stop working on kde | 10:03 |
| Riddell | qt wasn't free software, I don't blame people for starting something that was | 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | so? you dont go make a whole new desktop environment for that | 10:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | that just gives all the people who worked hard on kde the finger | 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | just because qt wanst free software doesnt mean kde wasnt | 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | they should have tried to make a fully functioning qt clone instead | 10:07 |
| Riddell | they did, but it's much harder to do | 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | so less effort would have been wasted on making an entirely new one, which gnome ended up being a total and complete failure and/or mess anyhow | 10:08 |
| Riddell | see Java | 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, java is different | 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | we already had a fully functioning c++ compiler, qt itself used it | 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | and we already understood how qt worked, it wasnt a black box. | 10:09 |
| apokryphos | it's hardly obvious that gnome has been a complete failure; they have quite a big market, even if it's not as big as kde's | 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | apokryphos: I have different ways of measuring if foss is a failure or not | 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | apokryphos: infact, gnome could have more users than kde, and it still would be a complete failure | 10:10 |
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| apokryphos | you'll have to forgive me if I disagree with your definition then ;-) | 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | the code design in most places is horrid, the way apps are designed altogether is horrid, it depends on gtk and glib which are completely horrid | 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | and as I said earlier, its nearly impossible to develop for | 10:11 |
| pef | Riddell: just changed email address :) @ubuntu instead of dev.erodia.net | 10:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm | 10:40 |
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