=== raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:29] \sh: kdelibs is in [12:30] <\sh> Riddell: saw it...rock :) [12:30] appologies for the delay [12:30] <\sh> name of it? kdelibs4c2a? [12:30] <\sh> no ways :) [12:30] yes, but build-dep on kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5-rc2) [12:33] <\sh> lets see what we can do for universe and other stuff :) [12:34] <\sh> what about kdebase? 3.5-rc1 is uploaded..i think you are updating them.. [12:34] yes, I'm just checking in pbuilder then I'll upload alkl of kde 3.5 rc2 [12:34] all [12:35] <\sh> k === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [01:08] \sh: why does kdiff3 need libacl1-dev and libattr1-dev? [01:09] <\sh> this is one secret I have to find out/ [01:09] <\sh> it wants libacl.la and libattr.la [01:09] spooky [01:09] <\sh> from where, and why...I'll check tomorrow :) [01:09] <\sh> yeah [01:09] <\sh> was just a test compile against the new kdelibs :) [01:11] hmm, wonder if that's a problem with kdelibs4-dev then [01:11] <\sh> are you using somewhere libarchive? [01:11] what's that? [01:11] <\sh> shermann@r200:~$ apt-cache rdepends libattr1-dev [01:11] <\sh> libattr1-dev [01:12] <\sh> Reverse Depends: [01:12] <\sh> libarchive-dev [01:12] <\sh> bsdtar? [01:12] kdelibs now uses libattr1-dev and libacl1-dev [01:13] <\sh> uh [01:13] <\sh> then we have some fun with getting rid of the .la [01:15] <\sh> anyways..i'm done for this morning...later this afternoon I do what I can to rebuild kde universe [01:16] <\sh> good night Riddell and thx for bringing kde3.5 to the people :) === \sh is now known as \sh_away [01:17] yeah, looks like I need to add those to kdelibs4-dev === simon_ [n=simon@host-84-9-144-71.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:39] hello simon_, don't think I know you? === freeflying [n=zhengpen@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61016.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:59] Riddell: any news on amarok vs. anastacia? [03:59] mdz: just pbuilding it now, it was synced to debian without gstreamer-mad being moved back to suggests [03:59] ok [04:23] \sh_away: you uploaded amarok as a native package, careful with that [04:27] Riddell:may you change the default chinese font to ttf-arphic-uming and ttf-arphic-ukai [04:28] freeflying: what are the defaults currently and why are these ones better? [04:29] Riddell: those i told with perform more better than now in dapper [04:29] freeflying: have you tested them? [04:29] Riddell: also there have another font can display chinese in bold defaultly [04:30] Riddell: sure,we include them in our ubuntu-cn [04:30] freeflying: ok, should be possible, could you write main inclusion reports? [04:30] http://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuMainInclusionQueue [04:31] no problem [04:34] freeflying: send me an e-mail when you've written them [04:34] then I'll need to add the fonts to the seeds [04:34] ok [04:34] Riddell: and how about the skim ^_^ [04:34] Riddell: need it more works ? [04:34] freeflying: I'm doing REVU now :) [04:40] Riddell, I've been at home this week without my devel machine (thanksgiving), but when I return I think I'll need help with the remaining kmobiletools issues. I don't have amd64 or ppc machines to test it on (so I don't know if it's x86 only) and I'm not sure how to get rid of config.sub and config.guess since it wasn't there before. I might hit you up next week if that's all right [04:41] seth_k|lappy: sure [04:41] seth_k|lappy: any reason to believe it's i386 only? [04:42] seth_k|lappy: just add a rm -f config.sub config.guess line to the clear rule [04:43] Riddell, no not really; are things usually cross-system as a rule? [04:44] seth_k|lappy: yep [04:44] cheers [04:44] seth_k|lappy: so you need to change i386 to any in debian/control [04:44] yes [04:45] I'll do it Sunday when I go back home :) it's been rather a pain b/c REVU is broken and I can't post comments, and siretart hasn't gotten back to me yet. I'll poke him again [04:46] revu works for me [04:48] Yeah, I'm a special case :P two identities on the same keychain [04:48] and it got confused [04:48] he just hasn't gotten back to me with a workaround or fix yet [04:48] I switched from seth@sethkinast.com to seth@ubuntu.com for uploads [04:48] but it won't give me a password for seth@ubuntu.com, since it has the same fingerprint as seth@sethkinast.com (same key, different IDs) [04:53] how confusing === seth_k_ [n=seth@24-117-212-204.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D3041.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62F14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=CaiN@rrba-146-82-133.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:05] Riddell:Sorry, was asleep. I'm just lurking in the channel to see how things are going :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=CaiN@rrba-146-76-46.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef_aw is now known as pef === author-psi [n=marcel@p509073CB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] <\sh> moins riddell === rraphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:43] for french people : http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.fr.html :/ [12:44] opensources software may become illegal in France === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:54] pef: omg [12:54] pef: why? [12:56] author-psi: opensource softwares cannot contains technical systems that allow a control of what you are doing, for example an activity which my be illegal [12:56] pef: wtf... :/ mhm === jpatrick [n=patrick@56.Red-83-35-197.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:07] Riddell: ping === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:15] pef: stange, translated it via goole === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:41] amu: hi,how about your livecd [01:42] upgraded runns without problems, if you have some time we can do it [01:56] jpat|away: hi [01:57] Riddell: just wondering about what to do with kxdocker... [01:58] jpatrick: upload it with new version but minimal changes from debian [01:58] Riddell: I have uploaded a new one [01:58] I think the changelog is the only thing that needs changing [01:58] Riddell: and this one makes a .deb [01:58] that's always a good sign :) [01:58] (which has the files) [01:58] Riddell: I've correct the error in rules and re-upload it [02:01] Riddell: also updated StyleClock [02:01] freeflying: which package? [02:01] Riddell: skim [02:01] ok, I'll take a look at those shortly [02:02] eva need the next release [02:05] Riddell: also changed compats -> 5 [02:06] jpatrick: on which? [02:06] Both [02:11] freeflying: let me test the german version, the build runs without problems, something must be strange :) [02:12] amu: without problems , is it great? :) [02:13] :) we'll see === rraphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === TheK [n=KaiL@p548F7038.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheK is now known as KaiL === _Sime_ [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A619B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Kubuntu Hug Day #ubuntu-bugs | debian merges needing to be done http://tinyurl.com/9cmuw | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuDapperGoals || Make packages https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KDE35Packages || http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu || Kubuntu DVD http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/". === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Hobbsee at Fri Nov 25 13:58:01 2005 [06:08] mornfall: ping === ytannus [n=ytannus@pc-185-161-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:19] hello? [06:19] hello ytannus [06:20] Hi Jonathan [06:20] dood [06:21] I red you wmail... thanks [06:21] ytannus: doesn't matter if it's not your app, almost no pacakges are packaged by the author [06:21] ytannus: and I recon your package would be a nice addition to our archives [06:22] riddell: thanks, really I made a lot of package but I share it only with some friends... [06:22] so the thing to do it point me at the sources and I'll review it and to poke a chap called siretat to give you an account on revu where you can upload it and it'll be reviewed properly [06:22] what other packages have you made? [06:22] right now I have this ones in mi hdd: [06:23] comix-1.3.4_1.3.4-1_i386.deb libborqt_6.9.0-3_i386.deb metamonitor-0.3_0.3-1_i386.deb [06:23] flatknifty_0.5-1_i386.deb libsipphoneapi_0.78.20051020-1_i386.deb metamonitor_0.4-1_i386.deb [06:23] kdvdbackup_0.6-1_i386.deb lingot_0.6.1-1_i386.deb wlassistant-0.5.4a_0.5.4a-1_i386.deb [06:23] kurses_0.1-1_i386.deb mdnsresponder_0.9.8-2_i386.deb [06:23] well, lingot is not a kde application really [06:23] wow :) [06:24] ops, mdnsresponder is not my ;) [06:24] anyway I can made all packages that we need... those are only what I need for mi computer [06:24] so get an account on revu and upload the sources there, me or someone else will review them and before long we'll get them for all to use [06:24] the thing is that I want to be a contributor ...just shoot me :) [06:25] http://wiki.kubuntu.org/REVU [06:26] actually the best way to help is to fix bugs but for some reason people prefer to make packages :) [06:27] I guess that for fix bug you need to know programing, to make packages just sudo chackintall hehehe [06:27] I'm not an expert programer, but I will try to check some bugs too [06:27] woo :) [06:28] ATTENTION: REVU HAS MOVED! Please update your dput.cf :S [06:28] that was ages ago [06:29] can probably be removed [06:30] ok, my public key is sent... [06:31] question, so I need a special program to upoload? revu is a program... what protocol is defined? [06:31] so I need = do I need [06:32] please, forget my question... I found the answer.... [06:32] revu is http://revu.tauware.de/ [06:33] upload with dput, which is just a frontend to an ftp uploader [06:34] where do you have the bug list? [06:34] (I'm using ncftp :) ) [06:35] https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/+assignedbugs [06:35] is the universe bugs [06:35] and search for kde on bugzilla.ubuntu.com for the main bugs [06:35] ok, I'm uploading some ones, let me know if are ok... [06:35] probably a lot of the entires in those are duplicate or invalid in some way [06:36] you have a revu account already? [06:36] nop, I'm uploading using anonymous account [06:36] hmm, I suspect it will just throw those away [06:37] I miss something...sorry :) [06:37] you need to get your key included, then debuild -S and sign the package, then dput revu foo.changes to upload [06:38] perfect [06:38] but if you just upload the sources anywhere I can take a look at them nowish [06:39] look: wiki said: "After your first upload, you will be automatically registered to the database and assigned a random password." [06:40] but when I try to login i got: login for user "ytannus" failed, please retry or recover [06:40] have you been given a password? [06:40] yes and, the second time, no [06:43] ytannus: /join #ubuntu-motu [06:43] ok [06:43] /join #ubuntu-motu [06:43] haha sorry [06:43] no space :) [06:43] ;) [06:44] <\sh> Riddell: you uploaded cdbs already? [06:44] \sh: I did but it failed and I've no idea why [06:44] \sh: feel free to try and work out why [06:45] <\sh> Riddell: cdbs? forget it :) [06:45] <\sh> hehe..i'll have a look while gambas is building [06:46] <\sh> hmmm....one test out of 8 failed...I wonder which one [06:47] the recursive.sh one [06:47] works fine in my pbuilder [06:47] <\sh> hmmm... [06:47] <\sh> buildd admin involvement :) [06:48] <\sh> but infinity is away...and lamont hates cdbs :) [06:48] that's why I pinged jbailey but I guess he's doing this weekend thing people talk about === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:34] \sh: and jbailey owns cdbs [07:36] <\sh> lamont-away: bet now....cdbs build issue, or buildd issue? 50/50 and the winner will get some beer or whisky from me :) === lamont-away tries to care. :-) === \sh hugs lamont-away === lamont-away notes that "try" is a 3-letter word for "fail" [07:51] ew. that's a jbailey issue [07:54] <\sh> cdbs to hell :) === KabelKasper [n=KabelKas@i5387C007.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-090.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:23] pef: you don't love kubuntu-bugs any more? === Diablo-D3 [i=diablod3@pool-70-105-242-205.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Diablo-D3 trashes his desktop. [08:55] Riddell: libakode-dev build-depends: libpolyp-dev, see anastacia [09:07] mdz: fixed in akode_2-rc1-1ubuntu2, which has compiled but has a NEW binary package [09:08] Riddell: odd, it's in queue/accepted [09:09] Riddell: is kmail and co. uploads coming soon? [09:09] Riddell: it was accepted, but didn't enter the archive [09:09] Diablo-D3: done, see dapper-changes [09:10] Riddell: yay. === Diablo-D3 waits for them to appear on archive [09:10] mdz: why might it do that? [09:10] Riddell: I don't know; looks like one for elmo [09:11] queue/REPORT says it's being accepted, but it's still there === hunger [n=hunger@p54A645C2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:37] <\sh> Riddell: hmm..do you want to backport gpod support from 1.4svn? [09:43] \sh: no, not if it's not in 1.3 [09:43] <\sh> Riddell: it will be supported in 1.4 [09:44] \sh: we'll wait for that then [09:44] Riddell: can I ask you your opinion on something? [09:44] Diablo-D3: yes [09:44] Riddell: do you think there is room for another desktop environment? [09:44] no! [09:44] quite enough already [09:45] but what if gnome and kde are flawed, and have no interest in fixing said flaws? [09:45] we have interests in fixing all flaws [09:45] actually, kde only has one major flaw [09:45] that flaw is the fact it uses c++ [09:46] I dont see that one being fixed anytime soon. [09:46] well guidance as used in kubuntu is the first program in KDE SVN that uses python [09:46] but c++ is better than C [09:46] I dont see python as the answer either === Diablo-D3 wants to see kde rewritten in objc. [09:47] that would be gnustep you want then [09:47] Riddell: ever notice who owns #gnustep-dev? ;) [09:48] but I don't see any significant advantage in porting the whole of kde and qt to another compiled language [09:48] but yeah, I dont think gnustep is the answer either, mainly because gnustep never formed a desktop environment. [09:48] though that doesnt top me from using gnustep to further my goals. [09:49] *step [09:49] argh [09:49] *ess tee ooh pee [09:49] curse the typo daemon! [09:49] Riddell: I dont see any reason why c++ was used in the first place [09:49] c++ only causes problems to large projects. [09:50] kde, of course, is a good example of how to beat c++ into submission, but you still suffer from other c++isms [09:50] such as this whole abi transition [09:51] I wouldnt care if these only happened once in a blue moon, but it happens every new major gcc version [09:52] if kde had been written in objc, this would never happen. [09:52] Riddell: so thats why I think kde is almost perfect... the choice of language was wrong. [09:53] other than that, the quality itself is pretty much unsurpassed. [09:53] and the functionality is great === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-229-207-54.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:54] Riddell: so, with that said, you still think there is no room for a third major desktop environment? [09:54] c++ transitions are a pain for packagers like me but they shouldn't affect users. and I'm not convinced that the same thing wouldn't happen with objective-c [09:54] nope [09:54] the same thing wouldnt happen because the api is unchanging. [09:55] and the abi 'doesnt exist' [09:55] all the actual abi stuff is defined by C. [09:55] well, the stuff that matters anyhow [09:55] Riddell: Im wondering if you're right, though [09:56] I've asked a few others who's opinions I value (you included, of course) and they've been saying the same thing [09:57] even some of the hardcore gnustep fans and devs pretty much wonder where an objc-based desktop environment's place is [09:58] Riddell: you know whats funny? [09:58] gnustep was the original gnome. [09:58] until the fsf decided to kick gnustep to the roadside, and startup gnome [10:01] they decided "oh, objc sucks! we need something thats C! and has no functionality! and is a total pain in the ass to develop for!" [10:02] "and we need to kill kde, because it uses qt which isnt FREE SOFTWARE!" [10:03] Riddell: do me a favor, dont ever stop working on kde [10:05] qt wasn't free software, I don't blame people for starting something that was [10:06] so? you dont go make a whole new desktop environment for that [10:07] that just gives all the people who worked hard on kde the finger [10:07] just because qt wanst free software doesnt mean kde wasnt [10:07] they should have tried to make a fully functioning qt clone instead [10:08] they did, but it's much harder to do [10:08] so less effort would have been wasted on making an entirely new one, which gnome ended up being a total and complete failure and/or mess anyhow [10:08] see Java [10:09] no, java is different [10:09] we already had a fully functioning c++ compiler, qt itself used it [10:09] and we already understood how qt worked, it wasnt a black box. [10:09] it's hardly obvious that gnome has been a complete failure; they have quite a big market, even if it's not as big as kde's [10:10] apokryphos: I have different ways of measuring if foss is a failure or not [10:10] apokryphos: infact, gnome could have more users than kde, and it still would be a complete failure === seth_k_ [n=seth@24-117-212-204.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:10] you'll have to forgive me if I disagree with your definition then ;-) [10:10] the code design in most places is horrid, the way apps are designed altogether is horrid, it depends on gtk and glib which are completely horrid [10:11] and as I said earlier, its nearly impossible to develop for [10:38] Riddell: just changed email address :) @ubuntu instead of dev.erodia.net [10:40] hrm === Diablo-D3 wonders how long it takes archive to update === spstarr_home [n=sh0n@CPEdeadbeef0000-CM000039d4cc6a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel