[12:03] <Mars^^> No problem is that i installed version for PC (Intel x86) install
[12:03] <Mars^^> despite the fact i have ADM64
[12:04] <Mars^^> What schould i do now?
[12:04] <mymayer> h, no comment :)
[12:04] <mymayer> no idea
[12:04] <Mars^^> ye same me
[12:04] <Mars^^> stupid situation
[12:04] <Mars^^> i noticed today that i have AMD 64
[12:04] <Mars^^> looks like i will have to reinstall whole system
[12:05] <nalioth> Mars^^: stick with x86
[12:05] <fatejudger> Mars^^: maybe you should pay attention next time
[12:05] <mymayer> u noticed TODAY that you have a other CPU ?
[12:05] <cl3> anyone no if there is a config prgm to change soundcards in kubuntu aka sndconfig?
[12:05] <nalioth> you'll have nothing but trouble getting flash, w32codecs and other commercial things to run on amd64
[12:06] <nalioth> Mars^: use the 686 kernel and you'll be fine
[12:06] <nalioth> Mars^: you'll have nothing but trouble getting flash, w32codecs and other commercial things to run on amd64
[12:06] <cl3> geez...............................
[12:07] <fatejudger> nalioth: is it really that bad?
[12:07] <Mars^^> so ehat is better
[12:07] <Mars^^> reinstallin whole system?
[12:07] <fatejudger> Mars^^: you have to get the amd64 version
[12:08] <fatejudger> Mars^^: there is no other option
[12:08] <nalioth> Mars^: first: i just got here. what are you wanting to do with your bot?
[12:08] <nalioth> box?
[12:08] <nalioth> fatejudger: do you not see all the pissed off people in #ubuntu when they find out they cant run their a/v stuff except in a chroot?
[12:09] <Mars^^> you mean what?
[12:09] <nalioth> Mars^: if you expect to run any audio video or flash on your hardware, use the 686 kernel (unless you are familiar with 32-bit chroots)
[12:09] <Mars^^> I dont speak english well so i have problems with understandng :] 
[12:10] <fatejudger> nalioth: lol, I don't go to #ubuntu
[12:10] <Mars^^> I use i686 kernel
[12:10] <Mars^^> no
[12:10] <Mars^^> sorry
[12:10] <Mars^^> 386
[12:10] <fatejudger> nalioth: I'm guessing more than one has gone back to Windows
[12:10] <nalioth> fatejudger: flash, w32codecs and the java plugin for firefox dont work too well on amd64. there are other things that dont work too well either
[12:11] <fatejudger> nalioth: is it just for firefox or for Konq too?
[12:11] <nalioth> fatejudger: idk, but Mars^ can use the 686 kernel if he's got more than 768mb ram, and he'll be fine
[12:11] <Mars^^> but isnt it better to use 64 os for my 64 processor
[12:11] <fatejudger> Mars^^: that's what he said
[12:11] <Mars^^> isnt it slower with os for 32?
[12:11] <fatejudger> nalioth: as a programmer, I don't see how a 64 bit processor is any faster
[12:11] <nalioth> Mars^: you may use either one, with no 'slow-downs'
[12:11] <berkes> evening
[12:12] <fatejudger> nalioth: it just has bigger memory addresses
[12:12] <berkes> any pointers to where I can get a working/nice repository with mplayer?
[12:12] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:13] <Mars^^> so another stuid question- how to change kernel for 683?
[12:13] <Mars^^> 6*
[12:14] <pv_> does konqueror have bookmark autocompletion (as in Gnome's Epiphany browser), or is it planned?
[12:14] <nalioth> Mars^: use adept
[12:14] <Mars^^> and look for the kernel?
[12:14] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:14] <darkrad> what's NFS?
[12:14] <Mars^^> Need for speed :] 
[12:15] <darkrad> lol
[12:15] <Lord_Athur> is there a guide to learn how to make programs in ubuntu and kubuntu?
[12:15] <nalioth> Mars^: find linux-image  2.6.12 -blah- 686
[12:15] <fatejudger> Lord_Athur: if you're asking that, you probably shouldn't be writing programs in the first place
[12:16] <mymayer> Mars^ just a tip : I`ve just installed kubuntu on my AMD64 3000 and it freezes cause of the "poerdown" service...
[12:16] <darkrad> If your only internet connection is via an ndiswrapper wireless card you can temporarily use the old kernel from the grub menu in order to download the files needed
[12:16] <darkrad> what's that mean?
[12:16] <darkrad> how can be done?
[12:17] <Lord_Athur> fatejudger, then where can I learn more about it?
[12:17] <fatejudger> Lord_Athur: go to your local college?
[12:17] <Mars^^> nalioth, linux-686 is it this ?
[12:18] <fatejudger> Mars^^: just save yourself the trouble and download the AMD64 iso
[12:18] <Mars^^> Yes but it will take ages to restore everything i have on my PC now
[12:18] <nalioth> Mars^^: i run powerpc, i'm not familiar with the naming of intel/amd kernels
[12:18] <Mars^^> ok
[12:19] <Mars^^> so i see i will reinstall my os :] 
[12:19] <darkrad> fate, what's the grub menu?
[12:19] <fatejudger> darkrad: it's a kernel boot menu
[12:19] <darkrad> how to use it?
[12:19] <darkrad> probably i will need after the update
[12:20] <Lord_Athur> there are more of one talking in the channel, may I ask you something by a query?
[12:20] <darkrad> since ndsiwrapper could not work
[12:22] <Lord_Athur> fatejudger, shall I talk to you by query?
[12:29] <Foodcoman> I have an off topic questions associated to playing DVD's!  Anyone know the offtopic channel?
[12:31] <nalioth> #kubuntu-offtopic 
[12:31] <robotgeek> Foodcoman: #ubuntu-offtopic/#kubuntu-offtopic
[12:40] <berkes> Foodcoman: try mplayer. Mplayer is not Free in the pure sense, but at least it Just Works :)
[12:40] <Foodcoman> berkes:  Thanks
[12:40] <Foodcoman> Wireless connection issue to my laptop just now.  sorry.
[12:40] <Foodcoman> I was looking for libdvdcss2.
[12:41] <berkes> its a b!tch to get to work, mplayer, because it is so horribly supported in ubuntu, but once running, its a relief.
[12:41] <MrFaber> Hi all
[12:41] <MrFaber> Is there any wlan expert out there?
[12:42] <Foodcoman> Not I but I just made some headway.
[12:42] <Foodcoman> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623
[12:42] <Foodcoman> Thinkpad R52
[12:42] <Foodcoman> things work fine from the command line.
[12:43] <Meaulnes> anyone use vpnc to connect to a cisco vpn? or anyone have any experience getting the cisco vpn client working?
[12:43] <osh> MrFaber: Just ask. If someone knows they'll answer.
[12:46] <berkes> Foodcoman: same laptop here :)
[12:54] <MrFaber> osh: thanks :)
[12:54] <MrFaber> Ok, I have da D-Link DWL-650+ WLAN PCMCIA-Card
[12:55] <MrFaber> It is recongnized through ubuntu but I can't get it to run without and especially with encryption
[12:55] <MrFaber> I have installed the wpapacket
[12:55] <MrFaber> but I don't know which driver to choose
[12:55] <MrFaber> all seems to fail
[12:56] <nalioth> MrFaber: dont even bother trying to run with WEP or mac filtering, there is lots of trouble in those areas
[12:57] <MrFaber> never do this
[12:57] <MrFaber> Only tried to use WPA :D
[12:57] <MrFaber> WLAN without it makes no sense
[12:57] <MrFaber> imho :)
[12:58] <Fillado> :)
[12:58] <Fillado> you can also crack WEP pretty easily
[01:00] <MrFaber> Fillado: thats wyh I tried to use WPA
[01:00] <alistair> can someone help with an x-config problem?
[01:00] <alistair> *groan*  please..
[01:01] <Fillado> ok i'll try :)
[01:01] <alistair> thanks :D
[01:01] <alistair> I tried enabling shaddows and translucency..  and it totaly screwed up my x configuration
[01:02] <Fillado> oh
[01:02] <Fillado> don't have a clue about that :D
[01:02] <alistair> so i reconfigured x, and removed my nvidia-glx drivers...
[01:02] <alistair> so i have x running, but I can't re-install my drivers.
[01:02] <Fillado> hmm
[01:03] <alistair> i can get nvidia-glx, but i can't get glx-dev, which i need to run the config file
[01:03] <alistair> any ideas?
[01:03] <Fillado> type nvidia-glx-config enable
[01:03] <squidbullets> nalioth you got your ears on?
[01:03] <MrFaber> alistair: I am pretty sure that you don't need the dev package
[01:03] <Fillado> that runs the config file and writes to xorg.conf
[01:03] <nalioth> squidbullets: always for you
[01:04] <alistair> ehh.
[01:04] <alistair> i'll try it Fillado
[01:04] <alistair> but i think it had an error
[01:04] <Fillado> ok
[01:04] <squidbullets> what is the offtopic handle, again?
[01:05] <nalioth> #kubuntu-offtopic 
[01:07] <alistair> Fillado: it sais it modified my xconf file, but i think it'll have an error when i reboot.
[01:07] <alistair> i'll be back in a few minutes( depending on if i have to reset x again )
[01:15] <NeoFax12> I set the root passwd to use Automatix.  How do I remove it so I can use sudoed programs?
[01:15] <sobersabre> is there a superkaramba 0.37 for kubuntu already compiled ?
[01:16] <LjL> sobersabre: not in the standard reps
[01:16] <nalioth> NeoFax12: the root passwed is the least of your problems if you used automatix
[01:16] <nalioth> NeoFax12: your sudo abilities should not be affected by having a root account
[01:16] <sobersabre> I don't need the standard repo, i need it compiled.. I am lazy bone...
[01:16] <nalioth> sobersabre: it is easy to compile
[01:20] <NeoFax12> nalioth: Why do you say that about Automatix?
[01:24] <nalioth> NeoFax12: automatix has a long history of breaking k/ubuntu boxes
[01:24] <nalioth> NeoFax12: i speak from experience, i volunteer in #ubuntu and here to help people
[01:24] <nalioth> and have seen may broken machines due to automatix
[01:26] <mymayer> which is the best "solutions" for an "winamp" app in kubuntu ?
[01:26] <robotgeek> NeoFax12: did you not read the automatix post, and saw that it enabled root?
[01:27] <nalioth> mymayer: xmms is a clone of winamp
[01:28] <ClayG> What is a program that can convert an .mpg(already in dvd format a+v) into a dvd and structure it so as well
[01:30] <NeoFax12> robotgeek: I id, but I didn't think it would break it as bad as it did.
[01:31] <robotgeek> NeoFax12: i am not quite sure how you would undo creating the root user
[01:31] <robotgeek> sorry
[01:32] <nalioth> NeoFax12: the root pass is the least of your problems.
[01:32] <nalioth> NeoFax12: your sudo should still work fine
[01:33] <NeoFax12> nalioth: I cannot use adept anymore due to this
[01:33] <nalioth> NeoFax12: then open a konsole and let apt-get or aptitude rescue you
[01:34] <frank23> ClayG: dvdauthor maybe but I don't know the details
[01:34] <ClayG> Thanks, I'll check into that
[01:34] <NeoFax12> nalioth: That would be good if I didn't have over 100 packages to update.
[01:35] <nalioth> NeoFax12: aptitude or apt-get will update them all at once
[01:37] <^rob^> hi
[01:38] <^rob^> is there a way to get info from blank cd? - i want to see if there is a blank cd in the writter or not! 
[01:40] <NeoFax12> nalioth: Would it be possible to sudo sux - then adept to install packages?
[01:40] <nalioth> NeoFax12: sudo what?
[01:41] <nalioth> if you said sudo su, that is redundant, use "sudo -i"
[01:42] <NeoFax12> nalioth: sudo sux - will put you into a root account with X capability.
[01:44] <nalioth> NeoFax12: i have no idea what that is, 'kdesu' should be used for kde things
[01:47] <NeoFax12> nalioth: Could I just delete out the password out of /etc/passwd so root is blank again?
[01:49] <nalioth> NeoFax12: i'm not sure how passwords work, perhaps ask in #ubuntu 
[01:49] <NeoFax12> Thanks!
[02:13] <Lord_Athur> hi
[02:14] <Knowerrors> what firewall (iptables config tool) do people use here
[02:14] <Knowerrors> ?
[02:14] <stupendo44> Knowerrors: I use KMyFirewall
[02:14] <Lord_Athur> I'm sorry I don't use a firewall
[02:15] <Lord_Athur> and what anti-virus do toy use stupendo44?
[02:15] <nalioth> Knowerrors: the article i sent you yestern didnt help ?
[02:15] <stupendo44> I'm not using an anti-virus, but once Avast comes out with their Linux version, I will probably use their's. That's what I use on Windows
[02:16] <Knowerrors> yeah, Ive been too lazy too delve into the advanced parts of it... but I think iptables was messed up to start with
[02:16] <Knowerrors> I tried firestarter
[02:16] <Knowerrors> which completely locked out in/out everything
[02:16] <Knowerrors> and couldn't change rules on it
[02:16] <nalioth> stupendo44: there are no virusses for linux
[02:16] <redguy> nalioth: is that true?
[02:17] <Knowerrors> so I uninstalled firestarter and iptables
[02:17] <stupendo44> nalioth: I know that, but it's a possibility...
[02:17] <Knowerrors> and then just reinstalled iptables
[02:17] <stupendo44> viruses can be written for linux, they just won't be as dangerous or spread as easily
[02:18] <stupendo44> there's nothing on linux to prevent viruses from deleting user files and contacting a host over the internet. Unless you set up a firewall for the latter.
[02:18] <nalioth> stupendo44: the main reason linux has clamav (and now avast) is to protect their windows using associates from any virusses they may send on in their email/p2p
[02:18] <stupendo44> nalioth: that's doesn't even make sense..
[02:19] <nalioth> stupendo44: linux users use clamav to scan their incoming files, so they dont send them on to windows users via email or p2p
[02:19] <nalioth> stupendo44: there are no known viruses for linux
[02:20] <stupendo44> nalioth: I suppose that makes sense
[02:20] <stupendo44> nalioth: right, but there can be...
[02:20] <stupendo44> nalioth: don't you agree?
[02:20] <nalioth> stupendo44: i can walk outside and have a airplane fall on me, too
[02:20] <Knowerrors> nalioth: do you know anything about kernel settings for iptables?
[02:20] <nalioth> Knowerrors: i do not
[02:21] <stupendo44> nalioth: it's not very hard to write a program in RealBasic that exhibits virus-like activity
[02:21] <stupendo44> just a simple program that searches for files and deletes them
[02:21] <nalioth> stupendo44: but why would you run it?
[02:21] <stupendo44> then maybe adds itself to startup, and performs a DOS attack on a website
[02:21] <cb_> stupendo44: is RealBasic opensource?
[02:21] <stupendo44> cb_: no, just free
[02:22] <nalioth> stupendo44: this is not windows where things start themselves
[02:22] <stupendo44> nalioth: a high percentage of viruses on Windows are installed when users execute a file in an email
[02:22] <cb_> stupendo44: Ok, does it have a DB engine bundled? I want to giveit a try.
[02:22] <stupendo44> nalioth: with the growing acceptance of things like autopackage, you may be able to run things
[02:22] <stupendo44> easily
[02:23] <stupendo44> cb_: I'm pretty sure it does
[02:23] <nalioth> stupendo44: this is not windows. most viruses will not run even if they are made for linux, by reading your email
[02:23] <stupendo44> realbasic.com
[02:23] <cb_> thanx
[02:23] <stupendo44> nalioth: not automatically...
[02:23] <nalioth> stupendo44: i suspect you are really really security concious
[02:23] <nalioth> but i doubt it's necessary
[02:23] <stupendo44> I use Thunderbird when I use Windows, and that doesn't run anything automatically
[02:23] <stupendo44> only Outlook Express and Outlook do that
[02:24] <cb_> In kubuntu, I insert my USB camera and Konqueror says cannot fine media:/sda1. How do I get around this?
[02:24] <stupendo44> nalioth: actually, I'm not really security concious. It's just that as a Windows expert I remove viruses and spyware a lot and have learned a lot about them. And as a die-hard Linux and OSS convert, I don't want people to be unrealistic about the possibilities for viruses on Linux.
[02:25] <stupendo44> There needs to be behaviour-based antivirus
[02:25] <nalioth> stupendo44: they ARE a possibility, but so is the chance of me gettin a airplane dropped on me when i step outside
[02:25] <aeon17x> stupendo44: for one thing, you have to get them to be executable for the viruses to work.
[02:25] <stupendo44> that would prevent a virus from doing what it could do. I know viruses can't be written to screw everything up like they can on Windows, but they can definitely do damage to user files, which are sometimes more important than Windows (or linux) itself
[02:26] <stupendo44> aeon17x: that's why I mentioned the growing acceptance of autopackage
[02:26] <stupendo44> with autopackage the design would allow you to just double-click them without setting the executable attribute
[02:26] <nalioth> stupendo44: autopackage is not used in ubuntu nor is it looked upon highly by the ubuntu devs
[02:26] <aeon17x> stupendo44: and we have official repositories to circumvent that :)
[02:27] <aeon17x> stupendo44: I highly doubt porn sites would start offering debs or rpms within the next five years or so.
[02:27] <stupendo44> nalioth: If you don't support autopackage, then what do you think the solution for the installation issue is?
[02:27] <nalioth> what installation issue?
[02:27] <stupendo44> it's definitely not easy right now, and it needs to be before everyone will use it
[02:27] <Knowerrors> nalioth: seems reinstalling iptables made things more secure, now pcflank is just reporting visible ports, not open ports
[02:28] <stupendo44> password confirmations are fine, but the extreme number of distributions has created a possible incompatability with installing software
[02:28] <Knowerrors> should I bother making them stealth?
[02:29] <LjL> stupendo44: incompatibilities are not really due to the different packaging formats. proof: many debian packages won't run in ubuntu, even though it's the same packaging scheme
[02:29] <LjL> stupendo44: the packaging is just the tip of the iceberg
[02:29] <apachelogger> http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/MP3_on_Ubuntu_5.10
[02:29] <apachelogger> muhahaha
[02:30] <nalioth> Knowerrors: are you running apache or ftpd or any servers?
[02:30] <Knowerrors> no
[02:30] <stupendo44> LjL: I know it's not the packages. I didn't say it was
[02:30] <nalioth> Knowerrors: then ALL your ports can be visible and there's NOTHING that can happen to you
[02:30] <LjL> stupendo44: i'm sorry, i haven't followed your discussion very carefully, i'm afraid
[02:30] <Knowerrors> nalioth: this is just a web browsing home office desktop box, though I would like to be able to ssh into it from another computer when Im out of town
[02:31] <stupendo44> LjL: no big deal. just don't let it happen again... :) j/k
[02:31] <nalioth> Knowerrors: well, port 22 will only allow access by user/pass (and it has to be found, first)
[02:32] <Knowerrors> do I need to do anything on this box to set that up?
[02:32] <nalioth> Knowerrors: apt-get install ssh
[02:33] <Knowerrors> ok, I already had ssh installed before I reinstalled iptables... should I reinstall ssh also?
[02:36] <nalioth> Knowerrors: you need openssh-server
[02:36] <Knowerrors> already got it installed
[02:39] <Knowerrors> so I should be good then?
[02:39] <nalioth> yup
[02:40] <NeoFax12> nalioth: Thanks for the help!  BTW, do you know of a way to use the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives on one system to use on another?  I would like to have two systems that are exact replicas of one another.
[02:41] <nalioth> NeoFax12: i have just the solution i think you are looking for, let me find it
[02:41] <nalioth> NeoFax12: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/09/msg00152.html
[02:44] <NeoFax12> nalioth: PERFECT! Just what I was looking for.  I have been searching ubuntu forums and google all day for this.
[02:44] <mcrandello> does anyone know of a way to get kde desktop to open a jar file with "java -jar"?
[02:45] <mcrandello> just setting it in the "open with..." dialog doesn't seem to work
[02:47] <NeoFax12> mcrandello: Can you run it from konsole like that?
[02:47] <mcrandello> on a related note, let's say I've got 10 duplicate entries for "java" under the open-with context menu, is there an easy way to delete them all?
[02:47] <mcrandello> NeoFax12, I could, I'm just lazy :)
[02:48] <NeoFax12> mcrandello: There is a folder that holds those files.
[02:48] <mcrandello> NeoFax12, thanks, I'll check .kde
[02:49] <NeoFax12> OK then.  You should be able to set the mimetype of jar to run with java.  Also, I think you can click on the jar file and set the properties to run in a terminal.  This should kick off aterminal and run say java -azureus.jar and then close the terminal.
[02:49] <NeoFax12> I am not positive though.
[02:50] <mcrandello> it does try to start it like so: java myfile.jar
[02:50] <mcrandello> although most of the jar files I've encountered want: java -jar myfile.jar
[02:52] <mcrandello> for some reason passing the switch in the "open with..." dialog doesn't seem to take
[02:52] <NeoFax12> mcrandello: You could also probably write a script that takes the input file and pass it to java -jar $FILENAME.
[02:53] <mcrandello> that seems like what I'll have to do
[02:53] <Don_Rad> is there anyway to set the own's root password?
[02:53] <Don_Rad> instead of sudo thing ?
[02:53] <mcrandello> Don_Rad, it's not reccomended but
[02:53] <LjL> Don_Rad: yes, but don't do it
[02:54] <NeoFax12> If you write it as a right-click file, please post it on KDE-Apps for everyone to enjoy.
[02:54] <nalioth> Don_Rad: it's not advised
[02:54] <LjL> Don_Rad: before you ignore the advice and do it anyway, ask yourself, what are you trying to gain exactly?
[02:54] <Flying_Eagle> i accidently hit some keycombination and fired up "katapult". which keycombination was it?
[02:54] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Don_Rad about root
[02:54] <nalioth> Don_Rad: what do you want to do ?
[02:54] <NeoFax12> Don_Rad: Don't do it.  I did and it messes alot of things up.
[02:55] <Don_Rad> allrigt
[02:55] <NeoFax12> Flying_Eagle: You could go to kcontrol and look at the key combos to find out.
[02:55] <mcrandello> hrmm that's one of the first things I usually do when I install
[02:55] <nalioth> Don_Rad: sudo -i will get you a superuser shell, if that's what you are after
[02:55] <Flying_Eagle> NeoFax12, i did so
[02:55] <Knowerrors> nalioth: what modifier is needed on ./configure? Im going to make ksmoothdock... I know its ./configure --"something"=/usr , but forgot
[02:55] <Don_Rad> ok
[02:55] <Flying_Eagle> didnt find a fitting entry
[02:56] <Don_Rad> but when i type sudo -i the password prompts it
[02:56] <Don_Rad> and i don't know whats next
[02:56] <mcrandello> it wants your user password I thin
[02:56] <mcrandello> think
[02:56] <NeoFax12> Don_Rad: That's your pasword
[02:56] <nalioth> Knowerrors: ah, ksmoothdock is a rough customer. before you configure, type "make -f makefile.cvs"
[02:56] <Don_Rad> JA!
[02:56] <Don_Rad> allritgh folks
[02:56] <Don_Rad> sorry about
[02:56] <Don_Rad> im a newbie on kubuntu
[02:57] <mcrandello> NeoFax12, anyway I was wondering if I needed to put something like "$FILENAME" after the "java -jar" in the "open with..." window
[02:58] <Don_Rad> thanks folks see u next time :D
[02:58] <NeoFax12> mcrandello: I am not positive, but I think KDE does that for you.
[02:59] <mcrandello> I thought so too but then again I miss a lot of basic things sometimes so I thought I'd ask :-)
[02:59] <Knowerrors> nalioth: then what do I type with ./configure ?
[03:00] <nalioth> Knowerrors: if the make -f thing worked out, just ./configure
[03:01] <Knowerrors> what about kooldock, same thing?
[03:02] <mcrandello> NeoFax12, thanks for the help. I'll see if I can find a kde channel and if they don't know I'll probably write up a one liner and submit it :)
[03:02] <nalioth> Knowerrors: i only know ksmoothdock cuz a few folks asked about building it a few days ago and i helped them
[03:03] <Knowerrors> cool
[03:04] <Knowerrors> man, firestarter sucks, I installed it, and once again lost all net access by its default setup
[03:05] <LjL> what about kxdocker? that's packaged
[03:06] <LjL> contrary to kooldock and ksmoothdock, which currently have to be compiled
[03:06] <LjL> those two might be better though, dunno
[03:07] <Knowerrors> I acutally have ksmoothdock installed already
[03:07] <Knowerrors> and kxdocker
[03:07] <Knowerrors> just wanted to install kooldock also to compare with the other two
[03:07] <gar-> i have a little problem i try to access a application on the System menu like login screen setup i see the tab but after a moment it close the program like crash what that could be thanks.
[03:08] <Knowerrors> kxdocker uses too much cpu, close to 90% on my Athlon 1800, and its hard to configure
[03:08] <Knowerrors> when I roll over it that is
[03:08] <Knowerrors> that crzy parabolic zoomin
[03:09] <Knowerrors> nalioth: guess I will go back to that article to learn more about stealthing and custom firwall tweaking
[03:10] <nalioth> Knowerrors: if you are referring to grc.com, it's a lot of bunk
[03:10] <nalioth> Knowerrors: 'stealthing' is a "sales term"
[03:11] <nalioth> Knowerrors: if your box has no running servers (aside from sshd) you dont need "stealthed" anything
[03:11] <Knowerrors> don't know :)
[03:11] <Knowerrors> ok
[03:11] <nalioth> now , windows is another story, entirely
[03:11] <Knowerrors> so Im good then with the default ubuntu iptables setting then
[03:11] <Knowerrors> don't need shorewall or guarddog or any of the others...?
[03:11] <nalioth> yes, no 'firewall' is needed with a default k/ubuntu install
[03:12] <Knowerrors> so that protects from trojans too?
[03:12] <nalioth> Knowerrors: a trojan 'hides' in legitimate appearing files
[03:13] <nalioth> Knowerrors: you should be aware of waht you run
[03:15] <Knowerrors> what kind of files? binaries, or anything?
[03:16] <nalioth> anything that is 'executable' could possibly be hiding a trojan
[03:16] <nalioth> just be sure what you execute from your email and such
[03:16] <gar-> why alot of aplication crash on kubuntu breezy 5.10 any know???? 
[03:17] <Knowerrors> so sources, for example the ksmoothdock, doing a ./configure make make install, those could be trojans if a bad source?
[03:18] <nalioth> Knowerrors: that is why you dont use sudo until the install part
[03:18] <nalioth> and dont use 'make isntall, use "checkinstall" instead
[03:19] <nalioth> but the source before you ./configure and make it is all in text form
[03:19] <nalioth> so you can read it and see if it is safe or not
[03:19] <Knowerrors> is there a scanner for linux that will auto check everything you download for trojans?
[03:20] <nalioth> Knowerrors: clamav
[03:20] <gar-> why alot of aplication crash on kubuntu breezy 5.10 any know???? 
[03:20] <nalioth> Knowerrors: but clamav only checks for windows things
[03:20] <nalioth> Knowerrors: with source code, you are more likely to encounter badly written code
[03:21] <nalioth> Knowerrors: most places that host source code, dont allow malicious folks to post there
[03:22] <Knowerrors> nalioth: I just did a trojan scan on pcflank and found an open 2001 port, says Duddies Trojan uses it.. how do I quickly close that? or should I
[03:23] <nalioth> Knowerrors: what is pcflank?
[03:30] <Knowerrors> www.pcflank.com
[03:31] <Knowerrors> nalioth: has good firewall tests, so I read in kubuntu forum
[03:31] <nalioth> Knowerrors: but it's aimed at windows users
[03:32] <nalioth> Knowerrors: no win32 trojan will run on linux
[03:32] <Knowerrors> ok, are there any good linux security test sites?
[03:34] <nalioth> Knowerrors: i'm not sure threre are any aimed at users
[03:34] <nalioth> since there are no known problems on our level
[03:35] <Knowerrors> so should I close that port 2001 anyway?
[03:36] <nalioth> Knowerrors: do as you like, i personally have run linux since 1997 and never had a problem of any kind
[03:36] <nalioth> Knowerrors: i've never closed a port, or anything
[03:37] <Knowerrors> cool, thx for you insight, dinner now, bb later :)
[03:39] <mymayer> how to install the currrent NVIDIA driver on a kubuntu Amd64 with a GF6600
[03:40] <mymayer> i somehow cannot "run" the driver i downloaded, he says wrong "kernel sources"
[03:40] <neoncode> How do you run .deb files, I forgot...
[03:41] <apokryphos> dpkg -i
[03:41] <apokryphos> or right-click
[03:41] <gerardocb> well... u can *install* .deb files
[03:42] <neoncode> dpkg -i thanks...
[03:46] <edu> alguem do brasil?/
[03:50] <nalioth> edu: vaya de la #ubuntu-pt
[03:51] <ts2> What is the difference between Kubuntu and Knoppix? Why another KDE Debian?
[03:51] <edu> obrigado   thanks
[03:51] <apokryphos> !relationship
[03:51] <ubotu> I don't know, apokryphos
[03:51] <apokryphos> hm
[03:52] <apokryphos> ubotu: relationship is at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/ubuntu/relationship/document_view
[03:52] <ubotu> okay, apokryphos
[03:57] <ts2> apokryphos: that thats Ubuntu vs Other Imaginary Debian derivatives, not Kubuntu vs Knoppix
[03:58] <wrl> I can't seem to get sound from mozilla-thunderbird to work with kubuntu.  I'm using alsa and artsd.  Soundworks from other applications.  Any suggestions as to what to do?
[03:58] <apokryphos> ts2: that's the beginning of it -- it tells you why Ubuntu exists. Kubuntu exists for similar reasons, of course.
[03:59] <apokryphos> i.e. regular release cycle, independent packages (though syncing back with debian etc)
[04:06] <neoncode> When I run any configure script in an attempt to build anything, I get this error"configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check See `config.log' for more details."
[04:07] <nalioth> neoncode: install build-essential
[04:11] <neoncode> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[04:11] <neoncode> nalioth: Now it says that
[04:12] <neoncode> Sorry for posting into the channel but it's not realy worth putting in the paste bin
[04:12] <nalioth> ubotu: tell neoncode about xincludes
[04:13] <neoncode> nalioth: Thanks
[04:17] <neoncode> Sigh, now it's "configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers and libraries) not found". I now *nothing* about compileing...
[04:19] <neoncode> oh wiat, I think ubotu provided an awnser... I think
[04:19] <nalioth> neoncode: you need libqt3*-dev
[04:19] <nalioth> notice * is a wild card
[04:20] <neoncode> nalioth: I know. I must rember to ask ubotu before posting about it...
[04:21] <nalioth> i dont think ubotu knows the answer to everything
[04:21] <apokryphos> :-O
[04:21] <apokryphos> you are lying
[04:22] <neoncode> nalioth: He(she?) Knows a fair bit...
[04:23] <neoncode> nalioth: I know it's a bot but it might have been given a gender?
[04:24] <nalioth> if you like to think of those things that way
[04:25] <nalioth> mr ubotu has not whispered sweet nothings in my ear, or invited me to a football game so idk what gender it'd be
[04:25] <neoncode> meh, oh what are the KDE header pakages? ubotu dosen't know that...
[04:26] <apokryphos> kde-devel
[04:27] <neoncode> apokryphos: Thanks!
[04:27] <apokryphos> neoncode: what are y ou trying to compile>?
[04:27] <nalioth> neoncode: what are you building?
[04:28] <neoncode> alloyon-0.2 - it's a KDE window decoration, I think... 
[04:29] <neoncode> yea that's it... It about time I got all these files anyway
[04:29] <apokryphos> neoncode: it's often good to use sudo apt-get build-dep {package} to resolve depenencies (where {package} is any package in ubuntu repos)
[04:30] <apokryphos> that particular one isn't, but there's other kde styles in the repos (i.e. kde-style-lipstik), so you could do sudo apt-get build-dep kde-style-lipstik   to resolve depends
[04:30] <neoncode> Oooo... I never knew that...
[04:33] <nalioth> sleep well
[04:34] <neoncode> Yay! compile ran with out errorrs! yay, and goodnight apokryphos, thanks for your help
[04:34] <nalioth> neoncode: checkinstall?
[04:35] <neoncode> nalioth: What's that....
[04:36] <nalioth> what you should use instead of "make install", neoncode 
[04:36] <nalioth> ubotu: tell neoncode about checkinstall
[04:36] <neoncode> nalioth: Too late... I did "make" then "sudo make install" Seems to have worked anyway...
[04:37] <nalioth> neoncode: not too late for next time
[04:37] <neoncode> Ooo I see, so it allows easy removeal?
[04:38] <nalioth> what happens is: when you "make install" something, and things go horribly wrong after ward, it's not easy to find all the cracks and crevices the different parts of the program were installed to
[04:38] <nalioth> checkinstall makes rudimentary deb files for easy system maintenance
[04:38] <fatejudger> nalioth: can't you just use make deb or something?
[04:39] <fatejudger> nalioth: I use checkinstall, but I would have figured make deb would be just as easy
[04:39] <nalioth> fatejudger: i've not ever had luck with the traditional deb tools
[04:39] <fatejudger> nalioth: checkinstall is very reliable
[04:41] <nalioth> fatejudger: yes it is, for end user use
[04:52] <seth_k|lappy> apokryphos, you're my hero for actually standing up to arnieboy... I thought I was going to be the only one who called him on his crap
[04:53] <nalioth> seth_k|lappy: let's take this to -offtopic, please
[04:53] <nalioth> before the flames begin
[04:54] <seth_k|lappy> haha
[04:54] <seth_k|lappy> nah, that's all I'm saying, no need
[04:54] <seth_k|lappy> otherwise I would've, you're right
[04:54] <neoncode> ...
[05:57] <arcanistherogue> hey, does anyone know how to get an applet on the dock similar to the "drawers" in gnome?  You know, so I can have one icon whcih I click so that it expands and shows all the icons in it?
[05:58] <nalioth> arcanistherogue: they do exist for kde, but i'm not sure of the name of them
[05:59] <arcanistherogue> nalioth: do you know what I should google to get those?  drawer applets for KDE?
[05:59] <nalioth> arcanistherogue: look at kde-look.org
[05:59] <nalioth> or kde-apps.org
[05:59] <arcanistherogue> oh
[05:59] <arcanistherogue> ok
[05:59] <arcanistherogue> thanks alot
[06:00] <arcanistherogue> (b'_')b
[06:33] <acc_> Hi, #Kubuntu.  I'm trying to install kubuntu on an Athlon 64 X2.  I've tried the amd64 port and am currently trying i386.  Both seem to freeze immediately after "Checking battery state..." is displayed.  I've read that this can be avoided by disabling ACPI, but I'm unsure how to do that in GRUB.  Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
[06:34] <davedorm> w00t
[06:36] <davedorm> nice and fresh after a dist-upgrade
[06:39] <nalioth> NeoFax12: you here?
[06:56] <alistair> ok guis.
[06:56] <alistair> apt-get mauled my system...
[06:56] <alistair> so, i want to reinstall kubuntu..
[06:57] <alistair> but i was thinking- it would be smashing if i could install enlightenment with kubuntu instead of k+ubuntu.
[06:57] <alistair> right mates, know what i mean?  wink wink? 0|0
[06:57] <alistair> so,
[06:57] <alistair> how do i go about doing this?
[06:57] <alistair> or can i install both?
[06:58] <nalioth> alistair: you can have as many DEs as you wish
[06:58] <alistair> yay!  nalioth :)
[06:58] <alistair> nalioth:  sudo apt-get install enlightenment ?
[06:58] <nalioth> alistair: you "COULD" do that
[06:59] <nalioth> or you could do this
[06:59] <alistair> hmm..
[06:59] <nalioth> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=79155&highlight=enlightenment
[07:18] <_sean> I've got a quick question: how do I make the K Menu NOT display the descriptions, or at least, show them after the name of the program? I can never find things because they're sorted wrong.
[08:02] <alistair> ahh
[08:02] <alistair> ubuntu's x-org is bad, mates
[08:02] <alistair> :|
[08:02] <alistair> *moan*
[08:03] <nalioth> alistair: what is the matter?
[08:03] <kkathman> alistair: in what way?
[08:08] <alistair> it crashes whenever i install my nvidia drivers.
[08:08] <alistair> and i have to reconfigure it every time i startup
[08:08] <alistair> or it crashes
[08:09] <alistair> nyway,-
[08:09] <alistair> should i install my nvidia drivers before or after i install enlightenment?
[08:10] <nalioth> alistair: use VESA
[08:10] <nalioth> leave the crashing behind
[08:10] <alistair> whats VESA?
[08:10] <nalioth> a display driver that will drive any video card under 7 years old
[08:11] <marwan> need some help here
[08:11] <alistair> but... is it optomized for a ge force 4?
[08:11] <alistair> isn't that a lousy default driver?
[08:12] <marwan> i wanna install real plyer in my system
[08:12] <marwan> any one can help me with this?
[08:12] <alistair> try:
[08:12] <nalioth> alistair: nothing lousy about it, it outperforms a lot of "specific driver" in some cases
[08:12] <nalioth> ubotu: tell marwan about realplayer
[08:13] <alistair> nalioth:  hm, i'll give it a try
[08:13] <alistair> marwan: sudo apt-get install real-player
[08:13] <alistair> or something like that...
[08:13] <nalioth> marwan: if you read the msg ubotu sent you, you'll be on your way
[08:14] <marwan> ok Thanks
[08:14] <marwan> i will try that 
[08:15] <alistair> alright, i'm reinstalling kubuntu...  so *nalioth* i'll try the vesa driver, and i'll try using enlightenment with it :)
[08:16] <alistair> brb mates
[08:30] <alistair> its beddy-time for me, mates
[08:30] <alistair> cheers :)
[08:31] <alistair> thanks nalioth.
[08:35] <_carsten> carsten: please rename
[08:35] <_carsten> well, not please, I will kick you if you don't :)
[08:35] <nalioth> _carsten: /msg nickserv help ghost
[09:07] <thompa> hiya 
[09:08] <Hobbsee> hey
[09:08] <nalioth> howdy
[09:09] <thompa> nalioth: do you know how i can get started on encrypting some email messages?
[09:09] <nalioth> thompa: install and learn about gnupg
[09:09] <thompa> kmail lists OpenPGP (gpg), is that anything?
[09:10] <nalioth> ubotu: tell thompa about gpg
[09:10] <nalioth> thompa: also http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8746
[09:10] <thompa> right on thanks
[09:10] <nalioth> thompa: install gnupg
[09:10] <nalioth> !info gnupg
[09:10] <ubotu> gnupg: (GNU privacy guard - a free PGP replacement), section utils, is important. Version: 1.4.1-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 1019 kB, Installed size: 4660 kB
[09:10] <thompa> that a lot
[10:03] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[10:03] <sobersabre> is this 35rc1 worth download ?
[10:03] <sobersabre> i've seen so many issues with it on the website.
[10:03] <nalioth> sobersabre: dont get in a big hurry
[10:05] <Hobbsee_away> sobersabre: i like it, using it here, but it's probably safer to wait till the release
[10:06] <Hobbsee> sobersabre: it's pretty stable now
[10:06] <Hobbsee> i find, anywya
[10:06] <sobersabre> and what about all these: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuKDE35BetaKnownProblems
[10:06] <sobersabre> ?
[10:08] <viviersf> tmpfs                 507M   13M  494M   3% /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-686/volatile <---- wtf is that ?>
[10:08] <viviersf> cos its using all my ram
[10:08] <sobersabre> :-)
[10:12] <sobersabre> is there a wireless connection management app for linux ? to have several wifi nets, and to be able to see iwlist xxx0 scan results etc. ?
[10:13] <sobersabre> i mean gui..
[10:13] <frank23> sobersabre: you can try network-manager
[10:14] <sobersabre> you mean the one that i already have in ubuntu by default ? network-admin ?
[10:14] <frank23> sobersabre: no network-manager is different
[10:14] <frank23> !info network-manager
[10:14] <sobersabre> apt-gettable ?
[10:14] <ubotu> network-manager: (network management framework daemon), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 0.4.1+cvs20050817-0ubuntu4 (breezy), Packaged size: 295 kB, Installed size: 1384 kB
[10:15] <frank23> yes
[10:15] <sobersabre> lemme see..
[10:17] <sobersabre> WHAT?!?! it installs bind ?!?!
[10:17] <sobersabre> frank23: are you running bind ?! what da hell ...
[10:18] <frank23> sobersabre: i don't actually use network-manager...  I tried it once and it seemed to work ok
[10:18] <frank23> If using DHCP,
[10:18] <frank23> NetworkManager is _intended_ to replace default routes, obtain IP addresses
[10:18] <frank23> from a DHCP server, and change nameservers whenever it sees fit.
[10:18] <sobersabre> frank23: it attempts to install bind. bind is a DNS server. I don't want to run a DNS server.
[10:19] <frank23> ok
[10:19] <sobersabre> thanks for the tip. I'll dig into network manager more, to see what does it need bind for, and then... we'lll see :)
[10:19] <sobersabre> byebye
[10:41] <_ubuntu> hi there
[10:41] <_ubuntu> can someone help me install this to my hard drive, dual boot please
[10:41] <_ubuntu> anyone?
[10:43] <_ubuntu> anyone home
[10:43] <hussam> _ubuntu: what's the problem?
[10:44] <_ubuntu> im trying to install linux (kubuntu)
[10:44] <hussam> and it's not working?
[10:48] <hussam> _ubuntu: what part of the install is not working?
[10:48] <hussam> damn freenode, keeps disconnecting
[10:56] <_ubuntu> i am currently operating from cd
[10:57] <hussam> _ubuntu: what part of the install is not working?
[10:57] <_ubuntu> i would like to install it on a partition
[10:57] <_ubuntu> were can I install it on the harddrive ?
[10:57] <hussam> did you create an empty partition?
[10:57] <_ubuntu> yes G:
[10:58] <hussam> ok let the install use that partition
[10:58] <_ubuntu> how do I install it from here
[10:58] <_ubuntu> < new to linux sorry
[10:58] <_ubuntu> I have xp on the same disk
[11:00] <webhostaudotcom> greetings from Melbourne AU
[11:02] <hussam> webhostaudotcom: the installer should guide you for using the empty partittion
[11:03] <hussam> split the empty partition into swap and ext3 (/)
[11:03] <webhostaudotcom> it didnt, I am in here now
[11:03] <webhostaudotcom> http://www.webhostau.com
[11:03] <croppa> #lisglug
[11:04] <webhostaudotcom> how do I install this on my harddrive
[11:05] <hussam> webhostaudotcom: just install on the empty partition and kubuntu will take care of the multibooting
[11:05] <webhostaudotcom> then I go to dos prompt and type G:\install ?? or
[11:06] <webhostaudotcom> is there a command window in here?
[11:06] <hussam> no you should boot from the kubuntu CD
[11:06] <webhostaudotcom> i have, Im running it now
[11:07] <hussam> what part of the install process are you now
[11:07] <hussam> ?
[11:07] <webhostaudotcom> running from the cdrom
[11:08] <hussam> what do you have on the screen?
[11:08] <webhostaudotcom> this chat program Konversation
[11:08] <webhostaudotcom> Mail - Kontact
[11:09] <hussam> didn't you boot from the install CD?
[11:09] <webhostaudotcom> yes
[11:09] <hussam> or is that a Live/install CD?
[11:09] <webhostaudotcom> live/install cd
[11:10] <hussam> oh sorry then. I used the install CD to install kubuntu
[11:10] <webhostaudotcom> where do I get it from?
[11:12] <hussam> http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu-iso/kubuntu/5.10/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[11:13] <webhostaudotcom> is that a Aussie download?
[11:18] <hussam> webhostaudotcom: australian mirror http://mirrors.uwa.edu.au/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/5.10/kubuntu-5.10-install-i386.iso
[11:19] <Hentai^XP> gone he is
[11:21] <hussam> oh
[11:21] <hussam> Hentai^XP: I think he was just advertizing his site
[11:21] <Hentai^XP> should I drive to taco bell?
[11:22] <Hentai^XP> dunno but ok
[11:22] <robotgeek> Hentai^XP: isn't it too late to walk in
[11:22] <Hentai^XP> 8:22 pm
[11:22] <Hentai^XP> wouldn't think so
[11:22] <robotgeek> yup, i know now. it's 4.00 here :)
[11:23] <Hentai^XP> to go or not
[11:23] <Hentai^XP> I really wasn't something mexican
[11:23] <Hentai^XP> taco bell is about closes to the mexican border I'mm gonna get on guam
[11:24] <Hentai^XP> robotgeek ? hussam ?
[11:24] <Hentai^XP> I need some votes here
[11:25] <libben> taco bell taste like ****
[11:25] <robotgeek> taco bell > Mickey D's
[11:25] <libben> taco bar in sweden though is way more tasty
[11:26] <Hentai^XP> well ther nearest restuarnt for mexican food is 30-45 minute drive to town
[11:26] <libben> cook some food at home?
[11:26] <Hentai^XP> taco bell is good to me for american mexican tyoe fiid
[11:26] <Hentai^XP> I'm no cook
[11:26] <Hentai^XP> as a 18 year old nope
[11:26] <libben> =)
[11:27] <libben> anyone wanna help me? ive used windows xp recovery cd and typed fixmbr on it, and then copied ntdlr and ntdetect.com to c: and now i can finally boot windows again. but now grub wont show up. no wonder =) cause of the fixmbr. now i need to boot to linux with a livecd and grubinstall... i need some help
[11:27] <libben> linkd in #ubuntu said this to me yesterday libben: no there is a better way. use a live cd like knoppix or ubuntu live and mount ur partitions, chroot them, then grub-install again to fix ur mbr and install the bootloader
[11:28] <amu> libben: so it is ... 
[11:28] <Hentai^XP> sorry dunno thing about dual boots or most linux based oses
[11:29] <Hentai^XP> I vote libben's vote and say I head to mcdonalds
[11:29] <Hentai^XP> err taco bell
[11:29] <amu> chroot it into, and run apt-get install grub --reinstall OR dpkg-reconfigure grub  
[11:29] <libben> in sweden we have Max =) way better then mcd =)
[11:29] <Hentai^XP> veto
[11:30] <Hentai^XP> bad english language, bad
[11:30] <libben> amu well, i need step by step help =) u wanna do the trick? when i boot to livecd? 
[11:30] <Hentai^XP> libben everything in sweden has a counter part that is better I take it
[11:31] <Hentai^XP> bbi30'
[11:31] <libben> Hentai^XP not really, were just better in far more areas. and some we outclass you totally in =)
[11:31] <amu> libben: sure, query me in private 
[11:31] <libben> ill boot to kubuntu livecd then-.... brb
[11:32] <Hentai^XP> lol
[11:32] <libben> Hentai^XP mcd is really good. max is good also. but i still prefer mcd fries. but i like the burgers from max. cause theyre diffrent. after eating at mcd in 20 years. u outgrow it some.
[11:33] <libben> and we also has burger king. also good. but their fries are not so good as mcd's
[11:38] <mahangu> whoa
[11:38] <mahangu> KDE++
[11:38] <mahangu> :)
[11:39] <robotgeek> mahangu: hi
[11:44] <mahangu> robotgeek: oh hi :)
[11:45] <robotgeek> mahangu: i'll just talk to you there :)
[11:46] <mahangu> KDE is GORGEOUS to look at
[11:46] <mahangu> i think im in love
[11:46] <mahangu> where can iget themes for it?
[11:46] <Japsu> hey, am I doing something wrong or is this a bug... I'm trying to synchronize the Kontact calendar and address book between my two computers but multisynk on the Kubuntu laptop shows no installed synchronization plugins... on the Gentoo desktop machine there's for example "AddressBook connector", "Remote connector" (the one I'd be using) etc.
[11:46] <Japsu> mahangu: kde-look.org
[11:46] <mahangu> Japsu: gracias
[11:46] <Japsu> I'm using KDE 3.5 RC1
[11:46] <Japsu> and I have the kitchensync package installed
[11:47] <Japsu> but do I need to install yet another package to get the synchronization plugins?
[11:48] <mahangu> anything else i can do to soup this baby up?
[11:49] <Japsu> Oops, now I can see them
[11:50] <Japsu> just had to restart KDE
[11:52] <Hentai^XP> back
[11:58] <darkrad> hi
[11:58] <darkrad> just upgraded to breezy version
[11:58] <darkrad> but after reboot it hangs at "checking battery state..... [ok] "
[11:58] <darkrad> what should i do?
[11:59] <darkrad> i see others had that prob
[11:59] <darkrad> but doesn't know what they did to fix
[11:59] <darkrad> please boot with bootparameter: acpi=off
[11:59] <darkrad> is an answer i saw
[11:59] <darkrad> but how to set it?
[12:05] <Japsu> darkrad: Ubuntu uses GRUB as its boot manager, so when it says "Press ESC to enter menu" at boot, press esc... Then select the kernel you want to boot and press 'e', select the line beginning with "kernel", hit 'e' again to bring up the line editor, append "acpi=off" to that line, then hit ESC to go back to the last menu and hit 'b' to boot. If this works, you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to incorporate the same change in the permanent config.
[12:06] <Japsu> darkrad: Note that on laptop systems, not using ACPI can be harmful to your hardware, or at least make the battery go out a lot faster.
[12:07] <Japsu> darkrad: So you should try to find a permanent solution that would not include disabling ACPI... and if Hoary worked, there should be one
[12:08] <Japsu> darkrad: You could try, for example, using "noapic nolapic" instead of "acpi=off"... This does the trick on my laptop for some braindead kernels.
[12:09] <darkrad> fixed
[12:09] <darkrad> was the nvidia driver i installed before
[12:09] <darkrad> now i set "nv" instead of "nvidia"
[12:10] <darkrad> wish to install succesfully nvidia thought
[12:15] <mymayer> i have big problems running kb on a AMD64 with a nvidia GF6600. My machine freezes after somerandom time, and it seems to be the nvdia driver. But i cannot take the new one, he is everytime saying, i have the wrong kernel-sources. Can someone help ?`
[12:18] <yuxel> hi, any application to record sounds from artsd ?
[12:20] <Lord_Athur> hi
[12:21] <Hobbsee> hi
[12:21] <Lord_Athur> :)
[12:26] <mymayer> which kernel should i need if i have a 386 or 686 ? i dondt wnat to use 64 bit
[12:27] <apokryphos> mymayer: the 686 one
[12:27] <mymayer> thank you
[12:28] <mymayer> apokryphos:  can you help me with my nvidia driver isntallation. when i use not the nvdia, the nv driver, my system hangs um randomly
[12:28] <mymayer> and i somehow cannot handle to install the current nvdia driver as iam always faiol on the srouces. Iam sure i have the right one installed, but..
[12:30] <apokryphos> mymayer: have you installed nvidia-glx?
[12:30] <apokryphos> mymayer: and, what card do you have?
[12:31] <mymayer> apokryphos: GF6600
[12:31] <mymayer> if i start with nvdia-glx-configure enabled
[12:32] <mymayer> he says me that my nvidia kernel modul is to "low" ( 71xx insted of 76xx)
[12:32] <apokryphos> gotta go to brunch; will help when I'm back if I can
[12:33] <mymayer> thank you
[12:33] <asraniel> does someone know how i can fin out which is the correct device for my dvd? i changed the fstab after a tutorial for my laptop (travelmate 8100), i changed the mountpoint to /dev/sr0, but i cant remember where it was before, how can i find that out? or does anyone have a travelmate 8100 here?
[12:35] <darkrad> hmm
[12:35] <darkrad> still hangs on checkign battery when i install nvidia =\
[12:35] <libben> amu: thxs for the help. hopefully i can boot windows also. gonna try that later on. but its all good so far.
[12:36] <mymayer> where is the standard search for kubuntu packages ?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> mymayer: um, what do you mean?  adept, synaptic, apt-cache search, packages.ubuntu.com
[12:43] <mymayer> Hobbsee: where can i find this package : linux-sources-2.6.10, as it not seem to be in my package list, but i need it for nvidia driver installation
[12:44] <Hobbsee> !info linux-sources-2.6.10
[12:45] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[12:45] <Hobbsee> is it on packages.ubuntu.com?
[12:45] <crimsun> yes, I pasted that from apt-cache policy
[12:45] <mymayer> dont know
[12:45] <mymayer> iam just following a tutroial
[12:46] <darkrad> to do what?
[12:46] <darkrad> install nvidia on breezy?
[12:46] <crimsun> -ECHANNEL
[12:46] <mymayer> and as i failed before cause of "wrong" linux sources, i think thats exactly the point
[12:46] <mymayer> darkrad: ye
[12:46] <crimsun> mymayer: typo
[12:46] <darkrad> paste link plz
[12:46] <mymayer> darkrad: yes its ahorror
[12:46] <mymayer> darkrad:  to what ?
[12:46] <crimsun> mymayer: linux-source-2.6.10 (Hoary), linux-source-2.6.12 (Breezy)
[12:46] <darkrad> of the tutorial
[12:46] <mymayer> darkrad: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual
[12:47] <mymayer> crimsun: on second
[12:47] <mymayer> ok
[12:47] <mymayer> crimsun: is it ok installing the IA64 driver with on 686 (AMD64)wihtout 64 bit ?
[12:48] <crimsun> mymayer: ia64 != amd64
[12:48] <crimsun> two completely different architectures
[12:48] <mymayer> crimsun:  thats what i didnt get
[12:48] <crimsun> if you installed the i386 version of Kubuntu on amd64, you need the i386 driver
[12:48] <mymayer> but there are 64but drivers too, so where is the differenz ?
[12:49] <crimsun> if you installed the amd64 version of Kubuntu on amd64, you need the amd64 driver
[12:49] <mymayer> crimsun: Iam using the 686 kernel right now
[12:49] <crimsun> then you need the ia32 version
[12:49] <crimsun> aka i386
[12:49] <mymayer> crimsun:  no i didnt installed the amd64 version, instlaled the 386 version
[12:49] <mymayer> its no problem using the 686 kernel ?
[12:50] <crimsun> no problem. It's still 32-bit.
[12:50] <darkrad> mymayer: are u installing on hoary or breezy?
[12:50] <mymayer> breezy
[12:50] <crimsun> (Thus you need 32-bit drivers)
[12:50] <darkrad> k
[12:50] <darkrad> can u let me know if the tutorial work?
[12:50] <mymayer> root@kundtu:~# uname -r
[12:50] <mymayer> 2.6.12-10-686
[12:50] <darkrad> u had the same prob about "checking batteries .... [ok] " hang?
[12:50] <mymayer> thats my kernel
[12:50] <mymayer> darkrad:  no my system hangs randomly
[12:50] <darkrad> ic
[12:51] <mymayer> i thought its about cool `nj quite
[12:51] <mymayer> but i have disabled it
[12:51] <mymayer> and now i find out
[12:51] <mymayer> if i take the veso drivers, system is stable
[12:51] <evdvelde> I don't think the system hangs on checking batteries, it is just the last step before starting X, so if X crashes, you keep seeing that line
[12:52] <mymayer> evdvelde: yes on my system, he stops cause of the wrong kernel-module ( 71xx) isntead of 76xxx
[12:52] <mymayer> crimsun: so what do i need. i have breezy 386 switched then to the 686 kernel.
[12:53] <crimsun> mymayer: the ia32 drivers, like I stated above
[12:54] <mymayer> crimsun: thank you very much
[12:56] <crimsun> np
[01:01] <mymayer> crimsun:  he says, i maybe have the wrong gcc installed ( 4.0) cause the kernel was compilde with 3.4. What can i do, as completely deleting gcc4 seems to deinstall the half system
[01:02] <crimsun> mymayer: install 'build-essential', 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)', and 'gcc-3.4'
[01:02] <mymayer> and then export CC ?
[01:02] <mymayer> crimsun:  did all the steps, like its in the tut
[01:03] <mymayer> its just the last step with the gcc crisum
[01:03] <darkrad> on the tutorial it says: 
[01:03] <darkrad> Now that your Xorg.conf is saved, we need to shutdown the X11 server so that we can install the new drivers. To do this, save your work and press ctrl-alt-f1, and log in. Then run the following command to shutdown X11. Make sure your work is saved, Gnome is going to shutdown too. 
[01:03] <darkrad> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[01:03] <crimsun> mymayer: export CC=gcc-3.4
[01:03] <mymayer> thank you crisum
[01:03] <darkrad> but i get:
[01:03] <darkrad> sudo: /etc/init.d/gdm: command not found
[01:03] <mymayer> just logout darkrad and login in a console
[01:03] <Hobbsee> sudo: /etc/init.d/kdm
[01:04] <Hobbsee> i mean...
[01:04] <mianos> hi guys
[01:04] <mianos> i have breezy with kde
[01:04] <Hobbsee> darkrad: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[01:04] <mymayer> guys thank you for your support...iam going down to get it on
[01:04] <mianos> when i press and hold left mouse button- then want to select some items in konqueror/desktop it laggs
[01:05] <mianos> how cann i turn the blue translucent behavior off in kde?
[01:05] <evdvelde> Perhaps time to spice things up here :-)  I was wondering why ubuntu does not have something like "Dapper - tested a little", like some other distros have
[01:05] <evdvelde> I'd like to have a distro with new software without to many critical problems (like e.g. Mandriva Cooker, ArkLinux Dockyard, ...)
[01:06] <robotgeek> evdvelde: breezy does have relatively new packages
[01:06] <robotgeek> sabdfl: really the sabdfl?
[01:06] <evdvelde> yes, for now
[01:06] <sabdfl> evdvelde: try dapper
[01:06] <evdvelde> but it will never include KDE 3.5 I heard
[01:06] <sabdfl> hey robotgeek 
[01:07] <sabdfl> am trying out Konversation
[01:07] <sabdfl> nice
[01:07] <robotgeek> evdvelde: kvirc is very nice
[01:07] <evdvelde> Dapper is rather unstable I was told
[01:07] <robotgeek> sabdfl: kvirc is nice
[01:07] <sabdfl> evdvelde: it shouldn't be too bad, and it's a good way to learn
[01:07] <evdvelde> and I saw, because I tested on a separate machine and X let me down for a day
[01:07] <robotgeek> evdvelde: dapper is not recommended if you are too new. 
[01:07] <mianos> can no one help?
[01:07] <sabdfl> #ubuntu-devel will generally be able to fix any bugs you find
[01:07] <sabdfl> and you really will be able to help make the release better if you participate and test it
[01:07] <evdvelde> i'm not new to linux + i'm a computer scientist, so i can fix some things
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hey sabdfl 
[01:08] <robotgeek> mianos: sorry, i don't use kde as such
[01:08] <sabdfl> mianos: what's the problem?
[01:08] <evdvelde> but bot broken dependencies and segfaults in X :-)
[01:08] <sabdfl> evdvelde: i'm running dapper, and no problems so far
[01:08] <Hobbsee> getting the latest updates for dapper here
[01:09] <Hobbsee> should be fun lol
[01:09] <robotgeek> sabdfl: we built kvirc from the cvs a few days ago, very eyecandy and usable
[01:09] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: dist-upgrade wants to remove my KDE
[01:09] <robotgeek> the ones in the repos is pretty outdated
[01:09] <evdvelde> the Xorg problem of a few days ago was however inevitable if you updated at the wrong moment, for some hours X was partially uploaded to the archives but was installed by aptitude
[01:09] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: well, better not let it do that!  it tried on mine a few days ago - taught me not to just hit "y" automatically!
[01:10] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: :)
[01:10] <evdvelde> that kind of jokes is not what i want on my system (I don't have space nor time to have a second kubuntu installed
[01:10] <sabdfl> that one nailed me too
[01:10] <Hobbsee> hmmm....wonder which version of kde this is in the dapper repos - about to find out
[01:10] <sabdfl> iupdated from breezy just in the middle of that :-/
[01:10] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: RC 2
[01:10] <Hobbsee> ouch
[01:10] <reeper> hi everybody
[01:10] <sabdfl> still it worked out pretty quickly
[01:10] <Hobbsee> excellent!
[01:10] <sabdfl> hey, do we have kde 3.5 packages?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:11] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[01:11] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[01:11] <Hobbsee> er, i need to update that
[01:11] <evdvelde> that's why I would like an archive with the newest versions, but just a little tested (no heavy X / KDE failures)
[01:11] <Hobbsee> there's rc2 packages there too sabdfl 
[01:11] <Hobbsee> replace rc1 with rc2 and you have the breezy repos for it
[01:11] <evdvelde> I can live without amarok for a day, but a broken X makes it impossible to get my work done
[01:11] <jpatrick> http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2/
[01:12] <sabdfl> is dapper on 3.5 now?
[01:12] <jpatrick> sabdfl: yes
[01:12] <sabdfl> rock, that's what i'm using
[01:12] <sabdfl> laptop is still ubuntu, desktop kubuntu
[01:12] <evdvelde> another idea i had was to create a way for reverting packages
[01:13] <Hobbsee> oh shoot!
[01:13] <evdvelde> that should not be to hard and really convenient... e.g. if there are heavy failures, use apt-rever 1D to revert the updates of the day 
[01:14] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/438582 hmm...
[01:14] <amu> OH g'morning sabdfl  
[01:14] <evdvelde> just keep the previous (known working) version a little longer in the archives
[01:14] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: what was i saying, about how i should read what apt-get was about to remove BEFORE hitting yes?
[01:15] <evdvelde> with the correct dependencies it should then revert the request + dependencies e.g.
[01:15] <Hobbsee> mmm....yes...
[01:15] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: I just the RC2
[01:15] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[01:15] <evdvelde> i would jump to dapper in no time if it was there
[01:15] <Hobbsee> think i might connect via irssi for this....
[01:15] <evdvelde> but now i'm fascinated but still reluctant
[01:16] <sabdfl> evdvelde: if you're brave, try the smart package manager
[01:16] <sabdfl> we will move to that after dapper
[01:16] <sabdfl> it's better than apt in some ways
[01:16] <evdvelde> what can it do more?
[01:16] <Hobbsee_> right....
[01:17] <sabdfl> it's just smarter about figuring out your options
[01:17] <sabdfl> and it tries to keep the system sane at all times
[01:17] <robotgeek> is that going to be a part of ubuntu as well?
[01:17] <evdvelde> I also noticed that the dapper archives are missing dependencies all the time (on ftp.free.fr anyway, don't know about others)
[01:18] <sabdfl> robotgeek: yes
[01:18] <evdvelde> don't like it as i got into trouble once before by a missing dependency + missing update of library
[01:18] <Hobbsee> bleck
[01:18] <Hobbsee> just lost kde again lol
[01:19] <evdvelde> anyway, i'll leave now on a quest for food :-)
[01:19] <robotgeek> evdvelde: later
[01:20] <evdvelde> i just hope to find someday a good balance between bleeding edge and stability with reverts or little tested system... 
[01:20] <evdvelde> bye for now
[01:23] <Hobbsee> hmmm....this is interesting...
[01:29] <Hobbsee> weird...i've sorta got kde back...anyone else having dependancy problems for dapper kde?
[01:31] <darkrad> You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with a different compiler than the one that was used to compile the running
[01:31] <darkrad>   kernel.  This may be fine, but there are cases where this can lead to instability.  The compiler used to compile the kernel was
[01:31] <darkrad>   gcc 3.4; the current compiler is gcc 4.0.
[01:32] <darkrad> should i abort or just continue?
[01:33] <robotgeek> darkrad: you can install the gcc3.4 compiler to make it happy
[01:34] <mymayer> it worked, thank you all
[01:34] <darkrad> mymayer
[01:34] <darkrad> wait
[01:34] <darkrad> help me now =)
[01:34] <mymayer> where is your problem ?
[01:34] <mymayer> did you followed the tutorial ?
[01:34] <mymayer> its really good
[01:34] <darkrad> fllowing
[01:34] <darkrad> You appear to be compiling the NVIDIA kernel module with a different compiler than the one that was used to compile the running
[01:35] <darkrad> kernel.  This may be fine, but there are cases where this can lead to instability.  The compiler used to compile the kernel was
[01:35] <darkrad> gcc 3.4; the current compiler is gcc 4.0.
[01:35] <darkrad> u got that?
[01:35] <mymayer> yes
[01:35] <darkrad> if yes, what u answered?
[01:35] <mymayer> make a 
[01:35] <mymayer> export CC=gcc-3.4
[01:35] <mymayer> before you start
[01:35] <darkrad> should i abort then?
[01:35] <mymayer> but befor
[01:35] <mymayer> install it
[01:35] <mymayer> YES
[01:35] <robotgeek> :)
[01:35] <mymayer> it doesn work then
[01:35] <mymayer> apt-get install gcc-3.4
[01:35] <mymayer> export CC=gcc-3.4
[01:35] <mymayer> run the installer..
[01:36] <mymayer> did you downloaded the headers and kernel sources ?
[01:36] <darkrad> No precompiled kernel interface was found to match your kernel; would you like the installer to attempt to download a kernel
[01:36] <darkrad>   interface for your kernel from the NVIDIA ftp site (ftp://download.nvidia.com)?
[01:36] <darkrad> u saw it too?
[01:36] <mymayer> yesd
[01:36] <darkrad> what to do?
[01:36] <mymayer> he dont find any, anyway
[01:36] <mymayer> its a fake :D
[01:36] <darkrad> indeed =)
[01:36] <mymayer> both answers lead to the same solutions. He checks the FTP anyway
[01:37] <mymayer> guys where are the best sources for xfce ?
[01:37] <darkrad> gcc-version-check failed:
[01:37] <darkrad>   ./usr/src/nv/conftest.sh: line 9: gcc-3.4: command not found
[01:37] <darkrad>   Could not compile gcc-version-check.c
[01:37] <darkrad>   If you know what you are doing and want to ignore the gcc version check, select "No" to continue installation.  Otherwise,
[01:37] <darkrad>   select "Yes" to abort installation, set the CC environment variable to the name of the compiler used to compile your kernel, and
[01:37] <darkrad>   restart installation.  Abort now?
[01:37] <darkrad> what to do now?
[01:37] <mymayer> abort
[01:37] <mymayer> do what i said
[01:37] <mymayer> apt-get install gcc-3.4
[01:37] <mymayer> export CC=gcc-3.4
[01:38] <mymayer> or
[01:38] <mymayer> better before
[01:38] <mymayer> apt-get buidl-essentials
[01:38] <darkrad> doing
[01:38] <mymayer> build
 did you downloaded the headers and kernel sources ?
[01:38] <darkrad> how to do? build-essential thing?
[01:38] <mymayer> sure
[01:38] <darkrad> k
[01:39] <mymayer> darkrad,  FOLLOW the tutorial
[01:40] <darkrad> k doing
[01:40] <darkrad> it's building
[01:41] <mymayer> i bet it fails
[01:41] <mymayer> ;)
[01:41] <darkrad> lol
[01:41] <darkrad> a warning about uninstalling appeared
[01:42] <darkrad> Installation of the NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86 (version: 1.0-7676) is now complete.  Please update your
[01:42] <darkrad>   XF86Config or xorg.conf file as appropriate; see the file /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README.txt for details.
[01:42] <darkrad> finsihed
[01:42] <darkrad> now? =)
[01:45] <mymayer> did you unistalled nvidia-glx and stuff ?
[01:45] <mymayer> before ?
[01:47] <darkrad> ya
[01:47] <darkrad> damn
[01:47] <darkrad> i rebooted
[01:47] <darkrad> and i have black screen =\
[01:48] <mymayer> press ctrl+alt + 2
[01:49] <darkrad> doesn't work
[01:49] <darkrad> i can login through ssh anyway
[01:49] <mymayer> sure you can
[01:49] <darkrad> should i do it all form beginning?
[01:50] <mymayer> yes
[01:50] <mymayer> and do it like its in the tutorial
[01:50] <mymayer> it rally gould discribed
[01:50] <mymayer> first install header and sources
[01:50] <darkrad> i did before too
[01:50] <mymayer> deinstall the current nvdia-glx / nvidia-common and settinhg
[01:51] <darkrad> i skipped only:
[01:51] <darkrad> sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.10 ; sudo tar xvjf /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10.tar.bz2 ; sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.10 /usr/src/linux
[01:51] <mymayer> lol
[01:51] <mymayer> ok
[01:51] <mymayer> thats BAD!
[01:51] <darkrad> ic
[01:51] <mymayer> then you didnt installed the sources
[01:51] <mymayer> as the step is wrong
[01:51] <darkrad> but 2.6.10 isn't hoary?
[01:51] <mymayer> somehow the untar doesnt work
[01:51] <mymayer> yes
[01:51] <mymayer> you need
[01:51] <mymayer> apt-get install 2-6-12
[01:51] <mymayer> apt-get install linux-source-2-6-12
[01:51] <darkrad> uname -r
[01:51] <darkrad> 2.6.12-10-386
[01:51] <mymayer> but you need them
[01:52] <mymayer> ah ?
[01:52] <mymayer> your not on breezy ?
[01:52] <mymayer> you are
[01:52] <darkrad> isn't it?
[01:52] <darkrad> it is
[01:52] <mymayer> yes it is
[01:52] <mymayer> apt-get install linux-source-2-6-12
[01:52] <darkrad> k
[01:52] <darkrad> how to uninstall all shits about nvidia from shell?
[01:52] <mymayer> then you need to unpacl
[01:52] <mymayer> aptitude
[01:53] <mymayer> then "/" and search for nvidia
[01:53] <mymayer> 3 packages
[01:59] <mymayer> darkrad, it works ?
[01:59] <darkrad> wait
[02:00] <darkrad>   --\ x11 - The X window system and related software
[02:00] <darkrad>     --- main - Fully supported Free Software.
[02:00] <darkrad>     --\ restricted - Binary-only device drivers.
[02:00] <darkrad> c     nvidia-glx                                                                                               <none>     1.0.7667-0
[02:00] <darkrad> c     nvidia-kernel-common        
[02:00] <darkrad> i have those 2
[02:00] <mymayer> yes
[02:00] <mymayer> you need to uninstall both
[02:00] <darkrad> how to mark to remove?
[02:00] <mymayer> -
[02:00] <darkrad> ?
[02:02] <mymayer> press minus
[02:03] <darkrad> doesn't happen anything
[02:04] <darkrad> i opened synaptics and no nvidia packages are installed
[02:04] <darkrad> well..
[02:04] <darkrad> let's install header
[02:05] <darkrad> downloading sudo apt-get install linux-source-2.6.12
[02:05] <os2mac> can someone gimme a hand with Firefox and JRE?
[02:05] <robotgeek> os2mac: sure
[02:06] <os2mac> I have installed the linux download from getfirefox.com and installed it to /usr/lib/firefox
[02:06] <robotgeek> os2mac: oh, the new one?
[02:06] <os2mac> yeah
[02:06] <os2mac> not the rc the actual release.
[02:07] <mymayer> how to install xfce on kubuntu ?
[02:07] <jpatrick> mymayer: sudo apt-get install xubuntu
[02:07] <os2mac> problem number 1 is it won't run unless I have kdesu infront of the executeable for the link.
[02:08] <os2mac> problem number 2 is it makes me enter a passwd everytime I open it 
[02:08] <jpatrick> mymayer: sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[02:08] <os2mac> and problem number 3 is I can't seem to get JRE to install.
[02:09] <robotgeek> os2mac: why can't you install it from the repos, then?
[02:09] <os2mac> there is no firefox listed when I go search for it in the repos
[02:10] <os2mac> nor is there any JRE releases listed 
[02:10] <robotgeek> os2mac: sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:11] <mymayer> jpatrick, du i need xubunut ? or do i only need xfce4 ?
[02:11] <os2mac> "package firefox has no installation candidate"
[02:12] <robotgeek> os2mac: can you paste your sources.list to the pastebin?
[02:12] <jpatrick> mymayer: xubuntu is the xfce4 project
[02:12] <robotgeek> os2mac: /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:13] <mymayer> jpatrick, doesnt find the package on my system
[02:13] <mymayer> how can i start the installed xfce on a other display right now ?
[02:14] <jpatrick> mymayer: you have to log out of KDE
[02:14] <mymayer> or change the display ?
[02:14] <os2mac> yes standby 
[02:15] <os2mac> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/438628
[02:15] <jpatrick> mymayer: log out to log in to XFCE
[02:16] <os2mac> BRB gotta add wood to the fire
[02:19] <robotgeek> os2mac: your sources.list seems to be slightly fubared
[02:19] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell os2mac about source
[02:20] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell os2mac about sources
[02:23] <os2mac> robotgeek what exactly is wrong with my sources list... it's the default one that came with Kubuntu .... all I did was uncomment out a coupe of things
[02:24] <robotgeek> 20. deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy universe ' main restricted multiverse' is missing
[02:24] <robotgeek> add in  main restricted multiverse on line 20, and you should be fine. don't forget to apt-get update
[02:45] <Delvien> anyone know where the lid.sh file is stored?
[02:46] <crimsun> just answered that.
[02:46] <karl773> Hi ! I have a problem with kmail and gpg encryption. Basically it does not ask for the passphrase.
[02:46] <darkrad> damn, nvidia stil hangs at splash screen even after have done the tutorial: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual
[02:49] <karl773> darkrad: what are you trying to do ?
[02:49] <darkrad> install nvidia
[02:49] <darkrad> drivers on breezy
[02:49] <karl773> which one on which kernel ?
[02:49] <darkrad> worked on hoary
[02:50] <darkrad> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_1.0-7676.html
[02:50] <darkrad> those
[02:50] <darkrad> on 2.6.12-10-386
[02:50] <Delvien> anyone know how to run the command sudo dpms off when i close the lid of my laptop? xset dpms force off does not work
[02:50] <karl773> why dont u use the stock ones from apt ?
[02:51] <karl773> which card do you have 
[02:53] <karl773> Delvien: have you got laptop-mode installed ?
[02:53] <darkrad> geforce 440
[02:53] <darkrad> mx
[02:54] <darkrad> Section "Device"
[02:54] <darkrad>         Identifier      "NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] "
[02:54] <darkrad>         Driver          "nv"
[02:54] <darkrad>         BusID           "PCI:1:0:0"
[02:54] <darkrad> EndSection
[02:54] <darkrad> works
[02:54] <darkrad> with "nvidia" crash on splashscreen =\
[02:54] <karl773> darkrad: you dont need the driver from nvidia, install the stock nvidia driver from apt
[02:54] <karl773> its called something nvidia-restricted or so
[02:55] <karl773> its the 7667 driver and works fine on my fx5200
[02:55] <mymayer> karl773: thats bs
[02:55] <mymayer> it wont work
[02:55] <mymayer> i worked for it the last whole night
[02:55] <mymayer> it doesnt work with the stock drivers
[02:56] <karl773> well, works on my fx5200 and 7800
[02:56] <mymayer> only the one from nvidia. Othervise you MUST use vesa drivers, which are much slower. if you use nv, your system will hang up randomly on breezy
[02:56] <darkrad> mymayer: it hang on spalshscreen =\
[02:56] <mymayer> do you have an AMD64 system ?
[02:56] <darkrad> no
[02:56] <darkrad> hmm
[02:56] <darkrad> don't remember =)
[02:56] <darkrad> how to check?
[02:56] <mymayer> what does the console output say ?
[02:56] <mymayer> uname -m
[02:57] <darkrad> i686
[02:57] <mymayer> ok, you have an "newer" cpu
[02:57] <mymayer> make a : uname -r
[02:57] <karl773> mymayer: did you install nvidia-restricted-modules ?
[02:57] <darkrad> why does i have 2.6.12-10-386?
[02:58] <darkrad> uname -r gives 2.6.12-10-386
[02:59] <mymayer> install the
[02:59] <mymayer> -686 kernel
[02:59] <mymayer> darkrad: 2.6.12-10-686
[03:00] <karl773> mymayer: you see, i did ask about the kernel first, stock nvidia driver from apt works fine on 386, which is his kernel
[03:00] <darkrad> hmm
[03:00] <darkrad> how to do that?
[03:00] <karl773> mymayer: you use a different kernel than him
[03:00] <darkrad> better to install the right kernel then
[03:00] <darkrad> then try again to install nvidia
[03:00] <mymayer> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.12-10-686
[03:00] <mymayer> then
[03:01] <Delvien> Does ANYONE know what file controls the ACPI option for the screen when a laptop lid is opened?
[03:01] <karl773> Delvien: check /etc/power
[03:01] <mymayer> apt-get install linux-image-686
[03:01] <darkrad> it gets whole image?
[03:01] <mymayer> just do it darkrad 
[03:01] <karl773> Delvie: it contains the scripts for power management
[03:01] <karl773> there you will find scripts for suspend and resume
[03:01] <Delvien> only has event.d/laptop-mode script,
[03:02] <l3m> Delvien: /etc/acpi/actions/lm_lid.sh 
[03:02] <mymayer> darkrad:  apt-get intall linux-headers-2.6.12-10-686
[03:02] <Delvien> l3m no such file
[03:02] <Delvien> l3m made a new text file
[03:02] <mymayer> you have to uninstall the old linux-headers (386) darkrad 
[03:03] <l3m> Delvien: anyway, the scripts under /etc/acpi/actions and .../events control these things
[03:04] <mymayer> darkrad:  pls join here : #newkernel
[03:04] <l3m> Delvien: in /events, the lid script decides which action script is called
[03:04] <l3m> it's pretty straighforward
[03:04] <Delvien> l3m i dont have a actions folder in acpi
[03:05] <Delvien> l3m what im trying to do is have sudo dpms off run when i open the lid, because my ATI drivers have a problem with the backlight turning off 
[03:06] <Bradd> hi all
[03:06] <karl773> Does anyone know why kmail is not prompting for gpg passphrase in kubuntu breezy ?
[03:06] <jpatrick> karl773: do you have the updates?
[03:06] <karl773> yep
[03:07] <jpatrick> karl773: something like that was fixed ages ago
[03:07] <karl773> it seems gpg-agent is not running
[03:07] <karl773> its also mentioned quite a few times on ubuntuforums
[03:07] <karl773> recently
[03:08] <karl773> its the last small thing keeping my mums kubuntu system from being perfect
[03:09] <os2mac> robotgeek: you have answered   that now how do I open it without having to enter a passwd everytime?
[03:10] <robotgeek> os2mac: which file?
[03:10] <os2mac> firefox
[03:10] <robotgeek> os2mac: it asks you for root access to open firefox?
[03:11] <os2mac> I have it installed through the repos.. and have java installed...... and if I don't put kdesu in front of the link on the menu it won't run
[03:11] <robotgeek> os2mac: that's really weird,i'm not sure what's wrong
[03:12] <os2mac> lemme try something.... BRB
[03:12] <karl773> jpatrick: someone mentioned that he worked around it by setting kmail to use gpg-agent
[03:12] <karl773> jpatrick; now how do i do that ?
[03:14] <jpatrick> karl773: no ieda :(
[03:14] <karl773> jpatrick; i get this error when i run kmail from console: gpgme_op_decrypt_verify() returned this error code:  117440664 
[03:14] <robotgeek> melonipoika: it enables the root user, so it will break all the gui based admin tools. you'll have to do everything from the comman prompt
[03:15] <Delvien> l3m hey, do you know exactly which script runs when the lid is opened? lid.sh only has a script for closing
[03:16] <jpatrick> karl773: I never needn't to use gpg-agent
[03:17] <karl773> do you use pgp/mime ?
[03:17] <jpatrick> karl773: gpg
[03:18] <Delvien> Anyone know what exact scrpit is run when the lid of a laptop is opened?
[03:21] <karl773> Delvien: on my powerbook its called /etc/apm/resume.d
[03:21] <karl773> try to find / -name resume*
[03:22] <Delvien> karl773 aye, mine is run by APM
[03:23] <Delvien> karl773 err i mean mine is run by ACPI not apm
[03:23] <karl773> it might still be called resume.*
[03:33] <McScruff> lo
[03:34] <McScruff> whats the fastest vnc app? i find tightvnc to be very slow
[03:36] <jpatrick> Krdc
[03:36] <jpatrick> krfb
[03:37] <McScruff> cant run that on a windows machine tho :P
[03:37] <jpatrick> and?
[03:37] <McScruff> i need it to run on a windows machine (windows needs to have the server)
[03:45] <mymayer> how to get a user uid/guid ?
[03:45] <murr> how can i enable remote graphical login in kubuntu?
[03:46] <murr> if i remember correctly, it was quite easy in gnome through the login manager, but i can't find it in the login manager of kde
[03:51] <murr> !remote
[03:51] <ubotu> murr: No idea
[03:58] <murr> !ubotu
[03:58] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[04:06] <paule> hi leute
[04:08] <LjL> anybody know why Kooka switched from gocr to ocrad (at least by default)? has ocrad improved a lot lately?
[04:09] <_moss> is it safe to upgrade from 1386 to i686
[04:09] <mymayer> dpkg-reconfigure network
[04:09] <mymayer> what is the right command ?
[04:10] <LjL> _moss: the kernel you mean? it all went well for me
[04:10] <_moss> ok thx
[04:10] <_moss> how do i edit grub?
[04:10] <LjL> _moss: anyway, when you upgrade, the 386 kernel isn't removed, and you can always boot to it from Grub
[04:10] <LjL> _moss: you shouldn't need to edit it
[04:11] <_moss> ok
[04:11] <_moss> thx
[04:11] <LjL> _moss: if you ever do need to edit it, it's /boot/grub/menu.lst, but be careful
[04:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey,
[04:12] <_moss> ok
[04:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > im trying to set up Baghira. and it says this:
[04:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > In the KDE Control Center, go to section LookNFeel > Behavior. Check  ... (Mac OS-style)  in the Menu Bar section.
[04:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > there is no KDE Control CEnter soo
[04:12] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : run kcontrol
[04:12] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : or just right-click on the desktop, and "configure desktop"
[04:13] <Alex[RM-UK] > ahh thanks I got it
[04:13] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : anyway, if you add a "Settings" applet to your panel, you'll have the control center
[04:13] <Alex[RM-UK] > applet? whats that
[04:13] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : right click on your panel, you'll find a lot of applets there
[04:13] <LjL> for example, the clock you have on your panel is an applet, as is your taskbar, as is you K menu, etc
[04:14] <_moss> rebooting
[04:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ahhhh
[04:14] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : after you get "MacOS style menus", you'll most definitely want to add some applets to your menubar
[04:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > LjL, you'll find Mac icons in baghira CVS directory, sub-directory  starter/Themes . Make your choice!)
[04:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > CVS directory?
[04:18] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : er, it's a little hard to explain what CVS is...
[04:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > so where abouts is it?
[04:18] <LjL> http://baghira.sourceforge.net/download.shtml
[04:18] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : this should be it, follow the "get baghira sources" paragraph
[04:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > i'ev already downloaded it, via Adpet
[04:20] <LjL> but the packaged version (i.e. the adept version) won't include mac icons, i'm afraid
[04:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > awwww :(
[04:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok, so I download it...where the hell do I put it, im so confused to the Linux file system I havn't a clue
[04:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > things just sort of go anywhere
[04:21] <LjL> i'm not sure to be honest
[04:21] <smi|e> ? theme
[04:21] <smi|e> how can i load themes on kde?
[04:21] <smi|e> !theme
[04:21] <ubotu> smi|e: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[04:21] <smi|e> !themes
[04:21] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : perhaps /usr/share/icons
[04:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok
[04:22] <LjL> smi|e: install kdeartwork and you'll have some more themes. you can change theme in Settings / Appearence and Themes. also see kde-loog.org
[04:23] <kkathman> kde-look.org I think
[04:23] <nceterval> Hi, I'm using Breezy and have lost networking after a reboot.  Other machines on the network continue working normally.  eth0 no longer even shoes up in KControl's 'Network Settings' module.  What can I do?
[04:25] <LjL> ubotu: kdethemes is obtained by installing kdeartwork ("sudo aptitude install kdeartwork"), which will get you some more themes. You can switch themes using the "Appearence & Look" section of your KDE Control Panel (or System Settings). Also see www.kde-look.org for additional themes, that can usually only be installed by compiling them manually.
[04:25] <ubotu> LjL: okay
[04:25] <arrinmurr> hi, how do i get remote logins with XDMCP to work in kubuntu?
[04:26] <LjL> ubotu: themes is see !KDEThemes or write a !GnomeThemes factoid
[04:26] <ubotu> ...but themes is already something else...
[04:26] <LjL> uh
[04:26] <LjL> oh
[04:27] <LjL> ubotu, no themes is try installing gnome-art (sudo apt-get install gnome-art) and running it from System -> Preferences -> Art Manager (On Breezy). It downloads and installs themes from art.gnome.org. Some other sites with various themes include: http://art.ubuntu.com - http://www.gnome-look.org - http://kdelook.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com. See also !KDEThemes
[04:27] <ubotu> LjL: okay
[04:27] <nceterval> I think perhaps the kernel module for my network card is no longer being loaded.  How can I determine what the proper module is so I can modprobe it back in?
[04:27] <kkathman> LjL: dont play with the bot please :)
[04:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > LjL, why are my PNG files bStarter.png.V
[04:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > why the V?
[04:28] <LjL> not a clue
[04:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > ><
[04:28] <creart> could someone tell me how change the spell checker language in kopete?!
[04:28] <LjL> creart: kcontrol / kde components / spell checker
[04:30] <creart> hmmm. cant find the spell in either resources or service manager ?!
[04:32] <LjL> creart: run "kcontrol"
[04:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hummmmm I cant use these icons now!
[04:34] <creart> ahhh, there we go.. my bad, but thx
[04:36] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : you can rename the icons, drop the .V and possibly use them if they are really png files tho.
[04:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > I tried that, but when I do that a view them there is nothing there
[04:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > just black
[04:37] <kkathman> must not be good icons then I suppose
[04:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > :'(
[04:37] <kkathman> hey Kamping_Kaiser :)
[04:38] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : actually, nothing in the baghira/starter/Themes i just got from CVS has a ".png.V" extension
[04:38] <kkathman> thats an odd extension I think
[04:38] <creart> is one to prefer, ispell, or aspell?
[04:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > Am I cursed with Linux or what?
[04:39] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : I doubt it
[04:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > everything I try takes hours, experts don't have a clue what the errors im getting are, Kopete refuses to sign in
[04:39] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : have you just recently installed?
[04:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > pretty much
[04:40] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : what version?
[04:40] <Alex[RM-UK] > of Kubuntu?
[04:40] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : just 1) remove any "baghira" directory you have in your home 2) follow the instructions for getting the CVS tree 3) find your .png icons and test that they're valid images
[04:40] <LjL> (they are)
[04:41] <Fredrik|> How do you make a admin account?
[04:41] <LjL> Fredrik|: you make your user a member of the "admin" group
[04:41] <apokryphos> Fredrik|: adduser username admin
[04:42] <Fredrik|> where is that?
[04:42] <apokryphos> type it in a terminal
[04:42] <apokryphos> (with sudo powers)
[04:42] <CarstenP> i am looking for a tool that can convert my xvid-avis into vobs for DVDs. Any ideas?
[04:42] <Fredrik|> so in my case it will be: adduser fredrik admin?
[04:42] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : yes, did you install kubuntu from a clean install...i.e. a disk?
[04:43] <LjL> Fredrik|: "sudo adduser fredrik admin", yes
[04:43] <Fredrik|> ah, ok :)
[04:43] <LjL> Fredrik|: but if you're fredrik, and fredrik can use "sudo", then you're already an admin ;)
[04:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > kkathman, yes
[04:44] <Fredrik|> Well, I'm not admin... And I don't think i have any admins on my PC
[04:44] <Fredrik|> Just installed Kubuntu 5.10 just a few minutes ago
[04:44] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] :  ok, Im not sure what you mean by "things take hours"  install can take a half hour maybe depending on your box, and compiles can take a while too, but what else took "hours" ??
[04:44] <LjL> Fredrik|: in that case, you are an admin already
[04:45] <LjL> Fredrik|: that is, unless you chose "expert" mode during install
[04:45] <Alex[RM-UK] > kkathman, just things, I can gurrante that when ever I try to install something I WILL get an error. An error which no one has a clue about
[04:45] <kkathman> LjL: Im wondering if he hasn't gotten the updates and his Administrator mode in Kubuntu is still broken?
[04:45] <Fredrik|> my terminal states: Only root may make new users or groups on this system
[04:45] <apokryphos> !tell Fredrik| about root
[04:46] <Fredrik|> In norwegian, I translated it to english ;)
[04:46] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : "installing something" usually boils down to installing a *package* in ubuntu. if you decide to venture compiling stuff and things like that, you shouldn't wonder you get errors. compiling (and stuff) takes some practice, and the packaging system exists precisely to take that burden from users
[04:46] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : well, can we talk specifics?
[04:47] <LjL> Fredrik|: try "sudo cat /etc/sudoers", and tell me if it outputs the contents of /etc/sudoers
[04:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > kkathman, after i've installed this Mac OS theme :P
[04:48] <CarstenP> does cedega run in ubuntu?
[04:49] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : well ok now we are getting somewhere. There are hundreds of things that can go wrong when you install something.
[04:49] <LjL> !cedega
[04:49] <ubotu> I guess cedega is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Cedega and for a list of working games see http://cedegawiki.sweetleafstudios.com/index.php?title=Main_Page, or #cedega http://www.franskcorner.org/
[04:49] <CarstenP> oh i forgot the k
[04:49] <Fredrik|> LjL: Shall I paste it here?
[04:49] <LjL> Fredrik|: no
[04:49] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : before you tried to install, was the system working ok?
[04:49] <LjL> Fredrik|: anyway, there's nothing you need to paste, just tell me if you got an error or not
[04:49] <Alex[RM-UK] > kkathman, oh aye yeh works fine, although things take longer than normal cos it's a hard drive I found in the atic :)
[04:50] <Fredrik|> It asked me for a password
[04:50] <Fredrik|> and I used my own passord for the fredrik account
[04:50] <LjL> Fredrik|: type your own password
[04:50] <LjL> yes
[04:50] <Fredrik|> # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root.
[04:50] <LjL> correct
[04:51] <Fredrik|> yeah, what to do next?
[04:51] <LjL> this means the "fredrik" account is an admin
[04:51] <LjL> you don't need to do anything special
[04:51] <Fredrik|> ah :)
[04:51] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : ok, well typically on a theme install, you have to follow the directions very closely, and keep in mind, most of those are not "official" and they are wriitten to cross distribution platforms, so their method of install can vary. They might not good for kubuntu for instance without tweaking
[04:51] <kkathman> I dont know specifically about the one you are doing.
[04:51] <Fredrik|> But when I tried to copy some movies from my Windows PC to this Linux PC, I wasn't allowed...
[04:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > Fredrik|, dont
[04:52] <Fredrik|> why not?
[04:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > copy from from within Linux. Go onto Linux and access hard drive from there 
[04:52] <LjL> Fredrik|: the fact that your user is an admin doesn't mean you *always* have priviledges. you only have priviledges when you request them, e.g. by using the "sudo" command before another command
[04:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > when I tried doing it from Windows to Linux, it scred my linux hard drive up lol
[04:52] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : ?
[04:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > screwed*
[04:52] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : is right, actually
[04:53] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : i think he's been doing it from inside linux
[04:53] <LjL> since we're talking about linux priviledges
[04:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > "copy some movies from my Windows PC to this Linux PC"
[04:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > From Windows To Linux. that messed my linux hard drive up,
[04:53] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : that shouldn't happen
[04:53] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : that shouldnt have happened...I do that all the time
[04:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes, but rememberd im cursed with Linux
[04:54] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : how did you make that copy?
[04:54] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : probably not
[04:54] <Fredrik|> smb://mywindowsPC/
[04:54] <Fredrik|> I copied from there to my Linux hard drive
[04:54] <Fredrik|> that's OK, right?
[04:54] <LjL> Fredrik|: yes, that's a reasonable way, you shouldn't even require admin priviledges for that. however, where did you try copying *to*?
[04:55] <LjL> Fredrik|: if it was somewhere else than your /home/fredrik directory, then you wouldn't have had access
[04:55] <kkathman> lol
[04:55] <Fredrik|> media:/hdb1
[04:55] <kkathman> ro on hdb?
[04:55] <LjL> Fredrik|: then this hdb1 is probably only accessible to root
[04:56] <LjL> Fredrik|: type "ls -l /media/hdb1" from a shell please
[04:56] <LjL> Fredrik|: sorry, actually, type "ls -l /media | grep hdb1"
[04:56] <Fredrik|> But if I go to proberties on that drive, it states that the owner has the right to see and edit the data
[04:57] <LjL> Fredrik|: and who's the owner? anyway, that's a *mounted* filesystem, so the directory's priviledges don't necessarily mean too much
[04:57] <Fredrik|> OK
[04:57] <LjL> Fredrik|: "cat /etc/fstab | grep hdb1", paste me that line
[04:57] <Fredrik|> what do you mean?
[04:58] <Fredrik|> in terminal?
[04:58] <LjL> yeah
[04:58] <smi|e> !widgets
[04:58] <ubotu> smi|e: I don't know
[04:58] <smi|e> eh
[04:58] <Fredrik|> ./dev/hdb1       /disk/1         ext3    defaults        0       2
[04:58] <Fredrik|> without the . ;)
[04:59] <asier> hi
[04:59] <LjL> uh... have you added that line manually? it doesn't quite look like a standard Ubuntu fstab line
[04:59] <smi|e> how can i get widgets?
[05:00] <LjL> smi|e: what?
[05:00] <jazwec> hi all
[05:00] <Pixelgamer> What is Kubuntu ? is it something closely to ubuntu?
[05:00] <Fredrik|> No, thats what the terminal states
[05:00] <LjL> Pixelgamer: it's ubuntu shipping with KDE instead of Gnome
[05:00] <jazwec> Pixelgamer i think its ubuntu with KDE
[05:00] <Pixelgamer> Ah oey thx ^^
[05:00] <kkathman> Pixelgamer: kubuntu = ubuntu + KDE
[05:00] <Pixelgamer> many answers =)
[05:00] <LjL> Fredrik|: yeah, well, so can you access media:/hdb1 from Konqueror?
[05:00] <Fredrik|> yes
[05:00] <jazwec> please is here anybody who has easy kubuntu in english?
[05:00] <darkrad-> anybody has a clue on how to install mysqltcl?
[05:01] <LjL> Fredrik|: try creating a file inside it, using konqueror
[05:01] <kkathman> Pixelgamer: more specifically, it is ubuntu without the gnome GDM and WITH the KDE GDM
[05:01] <LjL> GDM?
[05:01] <kkathman> graphical desktop manager
[05:02] <kkathman> xubuntu is ubuntu with XFCE for instance, another GDM
[05:02] <Fredrik|> Denied access to disk/1
[05:03] <Pixelgamer> of course ^__^
[05:03] <kkathman> darkrad-: never heard of that, and I program in PHP-MySQL all the time :)
[05:03] <LjL> Fredrik|: do you *have* a /disk/1 directory in your filesystem tree?
[05:03] <Fredrik|> yes
[05:03] <Fredrik|> I think the problem can be solved if i log on to the root user?
[05:04] <LjL> (google only finds "gdm" = "graphical desktop manager" = GDM, KDM, XDM, etc, i.e. what i simply call "display managers")
[05:04] <LjL> Fredrik|: you can't log in as root, but you can use sudo
[05:04] <jazwec> is here anybody who knows where can i download english  version of easy kubuntu?
[05:04] <kkathman> yah same thing
[05:04] <Fredrik|> How do I use sudo?
[05:04] <hunika> Hello can somebody help to
[05:04] <hunika> me
[05:04] <hunika> ?
[05:05] <LjL> Fredrik|: type "sudo konqueror"
[05:05] <hunika> I can't play video files in kubuntu
[05:05] <kkathman> hunika: ask
[05:05] <apachelogger> http://dev.bit-freaks.net/images/kubuntu.png :D
[05:05] <kkathman> hunika: what player are you trying to use
[05:05] <hunika> i had kaffeine
[05:05] <hunika> i deleted it
[05:05] <darkrad-> anybody has a clue on how to install mysqltcl?
[05:05] <kkathman> did you try Totem hunika :)
[05:05] <hunika> no
[05:05] <hunika> where can I download?
[05:05] <kkathman> darkrad-: I answered
[05:05] <Fredrik|> Hm.. I got some errors, some creating and some created
[05:06] <LjL> darkrad-: sudo aptitude install mysqltcl perhaps?
[05:06] <apachelogger> hunika: totem sux imo
[05:06] <kkathman> darkrad-: use apt-get instead please
[05:06] <jazwec> please could anybody help me?
[05:06] <kkathman> not aptitude
[05:06] <darkrad-> i used
[05:06] <jazwec> i dont know where to download easy kubuntu
[05:06] <hunika> so how can I get totem?
[05:06] <darkrad-> but i got error when using
[05:06] <jazwec> english version
[05:06] <kkathman> hunika: it should be on your system already
[05:06] <LjL> Fredrik|: your setup is puzzling me, i don't have a /disk directory, but a /media directory... perhaps it was different in hoary, if you've upgraded from that, i dunno
[05:06] <apachelogger> hunika: apt-get install totem probably
[05:06] <hunika> ok
[05:07] <LjL> darkrad-: what error
[05:07] <apachelogger> codeine is still the best
[05:07] <darkrad-> [16:41]  can't find package mysqltcl
[05:07] <darkrad->     while executing
[05:07] <darkrad-> "package req mysqltcl"
[05:07] <kkathman> darkrad-: is mysqltcl the name of the package?
[05:07] <Fredrik|> the disk directory I created myself for mye local hard drives so I know where I have them
[05:07] <darkrad-> ya
[05:07] <_sean> I've got a quick question: how do I make the K Menu NOT display the descriptions, or at least, show them after the name of the program? I can never find things because they're sorted wrong.
[05:07] <Fredrik|> disk = drive, in norwegian
[05:07] <LjL> darkrad-: do you have the Universe repository enabled?
[05:07] <darkrad-> http://www.xdobry.de/mysqltcl/
[05:07] <darkrad-> it's that package
[05:07] <kkathman> darkrad: so sudo apt-get instal mysqltcl
[05:07] <LjL> Fredrik|: oh, but then you *did* add that fstab entry yourself!
[05:08] <kkathman> that should get it for you
[05:08] <darkrad-> kkathman: i did
[05:08] <Fredrik|> what is fstab?
[05:08] <darkrad-> worked fine
[05:08] <kkathman> k
[05:08] <kkathman> and?
[05:08] <darkrad-> but seems didn't install
[05:08] <kkathman> darkrad-: why do you say that?
[05:08] <darkrad-> using eggdrop with tcl i get that error
 [16:41]  can't find package mysqltcl
     while executing
 "package req mysqltcl"
[05:08] <hunika> I have installed totem
[05:08] <LjL> Fredrik|: /etc/fstab, the file containing all your standard mounts. you have /disk/1 listed in that file, so somehow you've added that entry yourself, since /disk was created by yourself...!
[05:08] <hunika> but I have an error
[05:08] <asimon> _sean: system settings -> panel -> Layout -> Menu -> Menu Item format
[05:08] <hunika> Totem does not starts up
[05:08] <darkrad-> seems that mysqltcl is not installed properly
[05:08] <darkrad-> else tcl would get the package
[05:08] <darkrad-> isn't it?
[05:09] <kkathman> darkrad-: maybe you need to check their package web page or something then
[05:09] <kkathman> perhaps it needs to be "installed" physically
[05:09] <darkrad-> i tried to download the package from webpage
[05:09] <LjL> darkrad-: you do have universe enabled, don't you?
[05:09] <Fredrik|> I created disk/1 and disk/2 during the clean installation of Kubuntu, so I would guess that it wouldn't have so much to say?
[05:09] <darkrad-> and ./configure gives error
[05:09] <darkrad-> LjL: what's that?
[05:09] <asimon> _sean: Not layout, sorry it's called 'panels'
[05:09] <LjL> !tell darkrad- about sources
[05:10] <hunika> so what shall I do then?
[05:10] <darkrad-> well i upgraded yesterday to breezy
[05:10] <LjL> darkrad-: does "apt-cache show mysqltcl" work or give you an error?
[05:10] <darkrad-> so it's updated
[05:10] <_sean> asimon: Awesome, thanx. 
[05:10] <kkathman> LjL: Seems he got the package but more must be done I think
[05:10] <darkrad-> works
[05:10] <darkrad-> how to see if properly installed?
[05:11] <LjL> it installs without a quirk for me
[05:11] <hunika> so what shall i do? I have installed totem but it has encountered an error, does not starts
[05:12] <LjL> darkrad-: can you paste the *whole* error that apt-get gives you on the pastebin (not here)?
[05:12] <kkathman> hunika: what error is that?
[05:12] <jazwec> where can i download easy kubuntu
[05:12] <jazwec> please
[05:12] <darkrad-> LjL: no error in apt-get
[05:12] <darkrad-> but when i use the package
[05:12] <hunika> I don't know
[05:12] <hunika> the system does not knows either
[05:12] <darkrad-> on a script, it says what i pasted u
[05:13] <darkrad-> mysqltcl-3.01.tar.gz Requirements Tcl8.1 or later and mysql 4.1 or later 
[05:13] <darkrad-> is the file from webpage
[05:13] <darkrad-> i extracted it
[05:13] <LjL> darkrad-: oh, i see! but you talked about *installing* the package...
[05:13] <darkrad-> i installed mysql 5.0
[05:13] <kkathman> hunika: you said it gives an error
[05:13] <darkrad-> and i have tcl installed since scripts work
[05:13] <hunika> yes
[05:13] <darkrad-> now
[05:13] <asimon> jazwec: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[05:13] <hunika> but just a windows
[05:13] <darkrad-> i do ./configure but miss some files
[05:13] <hunika> just a windows
[05:13] <jazwec> thx
[05:13] <kkathman> hunika:  ok what error
[05:13] <darkrad-> like mysql.h etc
[05:13] <hunika> and then crashjes totem
[05:13] <hunika> I see a message Unknown error
[05:13] <kkathman> oh
[05:13] <darkrad-> but mysql 5.0 is installed, how can it miss them?
[05:13] <kkathman> hmm
[05:14] <LjL> darkrad-: you need the -dev package of mysql i suppose
[05:14] <darkrad-> hmm
[05:14] <darkrad-> i can still use apt-get?
[05:14] <LjL> darkrad-: but why are you trying to install the .tar.gz from the file if the package you got using apt-get installs?
[05:14] <darkrad-> because it doesn't work =)
[05:14] <jazwec> asimon oh..not the kubuntu like OS..but easy kubuntu...that application for codecs and so...
[05:14] <darkrad-> see the error ;{
[05:14] <darkrad-> something is not set.
[05:14] <kkathman> hunika: that could be many things...what version of kubuntu are you on
[05:14] <asimon> jazwec: Oh, sorry, I misunderstood you. I don't know about 'easy kubuntu'
[05:15] <hunika> tghe newest one
[05:15] <LjL> darkrad-: please, give me the *entire* command line you used, and paste the output, so i can try it here too
[05:15] <hunika> i have just downloaded
[05:15] <hunika> 3 days ago
[05:15] <kkathman> hunika: ok good
[05:15] <kkathman> can you just start totem at all?
[05:15] <rohan> hi all
[05:15] <rohan> i have a problem
[05:16] <hunika> The message is again Totem could not start up No reason
[05:16] <darkrad-> LjL: i run eggdrop, a script needs mysqltcl package, in that script there is the line: "package req mysqltcl". this line throw the error in TCL since TCL can't find mysqltcl package
[05:16] <rohan> when i run programs such as synaptic / gparted using kdesu, they use the ugly gray gtk2 theme, not the qt one .. 
[05:16] <rohan> why ?
[05:16] <hunika> I can play music just with xmms
[05:16] <kkathman> hunika: so when you click on Totem, it just opens a window, then gives a message that says "unknown error" ?
[05:16] <rohan> but if i use "sudo synaptic" it works
[05:16] <rohan> but sudo is not recomeneded, is it ?
[05:16] <hunika> yes
[05:16] <darkrad-> so i should need to understand how to add mysqltcl package to TCL
[05:17] <asimon> Japsu: According to google you can download it under http://olwin.free.fr/
[05:17] <Riddell> rohan: because your root user doesn't have their gtk theme set
[05:17] <kkathman> hunika: hmm.. thats very odd. It usually works right out of the box.  Perhaps you've done something in the 3 days ?
[05:17] <rohan> Riddell: no. i copied over my .gtkrc-2.0 and .gtk_qt_engine_rc
[05:18] <hunika> no
[05:18] <hunika> I have not
[05:18] <rohan> Riddell: and even did kdsu kcontrol to confirm.. 
[06:01] (hunika/#kubuntu) no I like linux
[06:01] (hunika/#kubuntu) but It is an advice
[06:01] (l3m/#kubuntu) hunika: so clicking on a programname in adept oder kynaptic is harder than having to find the file, downloading it, opening an explorer where you dl'd it, click it, have to go through a custom installer, and place it at a random place in your filesystem ???
[06:01] (hunika/#kubuntu) okay
[06:01] (hunika/#kubuntu) that it is easier rohan
[06:02] (shastry/#kubuntu) rohan left the building a long time ago
[06:02] (LjL/#kubuntu) hunika: that you're *used* to the way windows works doesn't mean it's actually *easier*.  i can drive a car, i cannot drive a motorbike, i would probably find it very hard
[06:02] (hunika/#kubuntu) but sometimes when you have problems
[06:02] (l3m/#kubuntu) what about uninstalling? security updates? 
[06:02] <LjL> hunika: would that mean that motorbikes are harder to drive than cars, or simply that i can't drive motorbikes?
[06:02] <shastry> its just that ppl are resistant to change..
[06:03] <shastry> and hunika's mind is resisting too much :P
[06:03] <hunika> Kaffeine writing to me the same There were no decoders found to handle the stream, you might need to install the corresponding plugins
[06:03] <hunika> So in my case
[06:03] <hunika> I have installed kubuntu
[06:03] <hunika> and I can't play an mp3 file
[06:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell hunika about multimedia
[06:04] <LjL> hunika: that's very normal. MP3 is a restricted format, and ubuntu *cannot* for legal reasons make it easy to use restricted formats
[06:04] <shastry> ubotu: tell me about multimedia
[06:04] <LjL> !tell hunika about restrictedformats
[06:04] <hunika> but i can't play mpeg, avi and so on
[06:04] <LjL> same for them
[06:04] <shastry> hunika: dude do you mind reading what the bot links you to ?
[06:04] <LjL> yeah
[06:05] <scar> hiho @ all
[06:05] <shastry> hi sca
[06:05] <shastry> hi scar 
[06:05] <hunika> so than what kind of formats I can play with kaffeine
[06:05] <nalioth> hunika: do you receive private meessages?
[06:05] <hunika> Rohan I have installed all the packages you have written to me
[06:05] <LjL> hunika: OGG Vorbis, for example. but you can play mp3, avi, etc as well, if you just follow the instructions given to you by ubotu
[06:06] <scar> habe x mal meine netsetting geprft und x mal meine smb.conf umgeschreiben aber komme immernoch nicht auf meinen rechner hei das ich keine rechte htte obwohl ich genau nach anleitung alles gemacht habe need help
[06:06] <LjL> !de
[06:06] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[06:06] <hunika> I have installed the multiuniverse plugin
[06:06] <hunika> but I can not play mp3, avi and so on
[06:07] <LjL> hunika: have you typed "sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg " ?
[06:07] <scar> ach kommt sitze nun schon stunden, komme net weiter, irgendeinen tip?
[06:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey,
[06:08] <hunika> i am installing Ljl those plugins you have sent to me
[06:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > When I go to media:/ there is NOTHING in it
[06:08] <scar> bug^^
[06:08] <LjL> scar: ich verstehe nicht deutsch, ich weiss nicht ob irgentwo es versteht hier, man sollt englisch sprechen hier
[06:09] <hunika> Rohan are you there?
[06:09] <Riddell> we have a #kubuntu-de you know :)
[06:09] <socketbind> howdy, I can't figure out how to use katapult, what does this thingy do anyway? :D
[06:09] <nalioth> scar we dont speak german in here, felicht #ubuntu-de oder #kubuntu-de ?
[06:09] <LjL> Riddell: is there a way to have the bot point to it?
[06:09] <scar> ok
[06:11] <l3m> !de
[06:11] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[06:11] <l3m> is there a way to change the ubotu !de line? it's terrible german, i could fix it... 
[06:12] <Riddell> !de
[06:12] <ubotu> Bitte gehen sie nach #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[06:12] <Riddell> ah, yes
[06:13] <nalioth> l3m: while you make his grammer better, include #kubuntu-de, bitte
[06:13] <LjL> if you tell me how to do that, i'll do the same for !it
[06:13] <l3m> nalioth: i will if someone tells me how to teach ubotu the new phrase
[06:13] <LjL> but it's not a standard factoid, so we can't just "ubotu, no ..."
[06:13] <hunika> I have to disable universe-multiuniverse Ljl
[06:14] <hunika> in adept?
[06:14] <LjL> hunika: *enable* them, don't disable them
[06:14] <hunika> ok
[06:14] <nalioth> l3m: say "ubotu de is gut deutsch hier"
[06:14] <Riddell> !de
[06:14] <ubotu> Riddell: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:15] <Riddell> hmm
[06:15] <nalioth> Riddell: i just cleared it
[06:15] <Riddell> ah
[06:15] <Riddell> now you need to add a new one :)
[06:15] <l3m> ubotu de "Deutschsprachige Hilfe fr Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanlen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de"
[06:15] <ubotu> l3m: I'm sorry, i don't know what you're talking about
[06:15] <nalioth> LjL: i'm not sure if we should clear the it factoid, cuz 'it' used to be 'protected'
[06:15] <nalioth> l3m: de "IS"
[06:16] <nalioth> "IS" is the magic word
[06:16] <l3m> ubotu de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe fr Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanlen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:16] <ubotu> i'm not going to learn illegal characters, l3m
[06:16] <l3m> ubotu de is "Deutschsprachige Hilfe fr Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de"
[06:16] <ubotu> l3m: i'm not going to learn illegal characters
[06:16] <LjL> nalioth: what's "protected"?
[06:16] <nalioth> l3m: and dont use accented characters
[06:16] <l3m> ubotu de is "Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de"
[06:16] <ubotu> ...but de is already something else...
[06:16] <nalioth> LjL: what is it?
[06:16] <l3m> !de
[06:16] <ubotu> from memory, de is at Bitte gehen sie nach #kubuntu-de und #ubuntu-de fuer deutschsprachige hilfe
[06:16] <nalioth> !de
[06:16] <l3m> i can't overwrite the old one
[06:16] <l3m> arghl
[06:16] <LjL> nalioth: and, ok, one uses "is" to teach things to ubotu, but how does one make ubotu skip that "from memory, de is..." stuff
[06:16] <hunika> Ljl now kaffeine writes to me this OSS device "/dev/dsp" is already in use by another program.
[06:17] <LjL> nalioth: i meant, what do you mean with !it being protected?
[06:17] <nalioth> l3m: go ahead again
[06:17] <l3m> ubotu de is "Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de"
[06:17] <ubotu> l3m: okay
[06:17] <l3m> !de
[06:17] <ubotu> hmm... de is "Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de"
[06:17] <l3m> lol
[06:17] <LjL> hunika: i think you should go in kaffeine's settings and tell it to use the gstreamer engine, or something...
[06:17] <nalioth> l3m: "it" "is" and some other words are (or were) not able to be used for triggers
[06:17] <nalioth> !de
[06:17] <LjL> !it
[06:17] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese, Grazie...
[06:18] <nalioth> LjL: try "ita is italian esta blah blah"
[06:18] <l3m> ubotu de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:18] <ubotu> ...but de is already something else...
[06:18] <nalioth> LjL: and when i get with the owner i'll see about moving ita to it
[06:18] <LjL> l3m: "ubotu no, de is.."
[06:18] <l3m> ubotu no, de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:18] <ubotu> okay, l3m
[06:18] <l3m> ah yeah thanks
[06:18] <asimon> Bots have usability problems too ;-)
[06:18] <l3m> ;)
[06:18] <l3m> !de
[06:18] <ubotu> I heard de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:19] <LjL> !ita is Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:19] <ubotu> ...but ita is already something else...
[06:19] <LjL> !ita
[06:19] <ubotu> rumour has it, ita is italiano es #ubuntu-it per favore, andiamo! Grazi ... prego! :-)
[06:19] <LjL> ubotu no, ita is Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:19] <ubotu> okay, LjL
[06:19] <hunika> Ljl is that a problem that which files I would like to play are on a windows partition which is just read only
[06:19] <hunika> ?
[06:19] <LjL> hunika: shouldn't be, if they *can* be read
[06:20] <hunika> it can be because with xmms i can play music
[06:20] <l3m> hunika: as long as you only read them it's fine ( e.g. watching a movie or listening to music )
[06:21] <hunika> i can't play music or video with kaffeine. When i open it it simply crashes without an error message
[06:22] <LjL> hunika: try "Settings / Kaffeine engine / Kaffeine GStreamer"
[06:22] <l3m> ubotu tell hunika about mplayer 
[06:22] <LjL> hunika: ... or the other one if that doesn't work :)
[06:22] <l3m> ubotu tell hunika about restrictedformats
[06:22] <hunika> Resource not found.
[06:22] <nalioth> hunika: are you receiving any private messages?
[06:23] <hunika> I have tryed to install mplayer
[06:23] <hunika> but it has the same problem
[06:23] <l3m> anyone here using ubu/kubu as firewall? i'm wondering if i should use debian or (k)ubu... 
[06:23] <l3m> !firewall
[06:23] <ubotu> well, firewall is Ubuntu has, like every other linux distribution, firewalling built into the kernel. A simple frontend to this firewall is firestarter. see !firestarter
[06:24] <l3m> yuck
[06:24] <hunika> The question why i can play mp3 with xmms and with kaffeine not????????????????????????
[06:24] <hunika> Ljl?
[06:24] <l3m> hunika: because you didn't read the restrictedformats thing
[06:24] <nalioth> hunika: are you reading MY messages at all (in this window)?
[06:24] <hunika> I have
[06:24] <hunika> read
[06:24] <hunika> I have enabled
[06:24] <hunika> the universe-multiunivesre
[06:24] <hunika> things
[06:24] <LjL> hunika: try installing kaffeine-xine perhaps
[06:25] <hunika> i have tried 
[06:25] <hunika> send me how to
[06:25] <hunika> let's try again
[06:25] <l3m> ubotu tell hunika about restrictedformats
[06:25] <nalioth> hunika: did you "sudo apt-get update" in a konsole after you edited your list?
[06:26] <l3m> !server
[06:26] <ubotu> Ubuntu 5.10 Server is out! http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2005-October/000042.html
[06:28] <hunika> Ljl help me in another thing
[06:29] <hunika> Do we have a kind of chat program like qchat?
[06:29] <LjL> i don't know what qchat is
[06:29] <nalioth> me neither
[06:29] <hunika> so i need a lan-chat program which is compatible with qchat
[06:29] <hunika> qchat is a lan-chat prgram
[06:30] <LjL> don't think you'll have much luck there
[06:30] <hunika> Another problem i have with linux dc++
[06:30] <hunika> It does not works. we have here a local hub 
[06:31] <hunika> they use it with windows dc++
[06:31] <hunika> and i can not access from linux
[06:31] <hunika> opinion?
[06:31] <hunika> so I see just three people
[06:32] <LjL> dc++ works on linux usually, i guess your hub software doesn't like the linux client for some reason, can't know
[06:32] <jazwec> hi
[06:32] <jazwec> please
[06:32] <jazwec> i have a problem
[06:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > You know in KDE, how do I change the colour of the TExt at the top of the program, EG where it says XChat (2.4.4)
[06:32] <l3m> hunika: try wine
[06:32] <jazwec> when i want to update repositories...it fails
[06:32] <jazwec> cos they are broken
[06:32] <LjL> hunika: http://vqcc-gtk.sourceforge.net/ <--- this thing supposedly supports the qchat protocl
[06:32] <l3m> Alex[RM-UK] : system settings->appearance->color
[06:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > thanks
[06:33] <hunika> ok thanks Ljl
[06:33] <hunika> Ljl
[06:33] <hunika> another thing
[06:33] <hunika> In Linux dc++
[06:33] <hunika> I can see just 4 people in our local hub
[06:33] <hunika> but we have more online I am sure
[06:34] <LjL> hunika: as l3m said, try installing wine, install the Windows DC++ over it, and check what happens like that
[06:34] <hunika> how can i install wine
[06:34] <jazwec> could anybody help me??
[06:34] <hunika> from where/
[06:35] <LjL> hunika: "sudo aptitude install wine"
[06:35] <jazwec> when i want to update repositories...it fails cos they are broken :(
[06:35] <l3m> !wine
[06:36] <LjL> hunika: or use Adept, or apt-get, or Synaptic, or whatever. that's what we usually mean when we say "install xyz"
[06:36] <l3m> ubotu tell hunika about wine
[06:36] <LjL> l3m: wine is also in the standard repos, an older version, but i guess hunika is already confused enough ;)
[06:36] <nalioth> jazwec: 'broken' means a lot of things, can you be more specific?
[06:36] <hunika> i am installing wine
[06:36] <jazwec> nalioth its the only thing it says
[06:37] <nalioth> jazwec: i suspect it tells you more things
[06:37] <LjL> hunika: ok, wait until it's installed, and then download and install the windows version of dc++
[06:38] <hunika> Another question Ljl. How can I access my linux files under windows xp. I use ReiserFS file system
[06:38] <LjL> hunika: you can't
[06:38] <LjL> i don't think
[06:38] <nalioth> hunika: you cannot
[06:39] <hunika> why??????
[06:39] <LjL> hunika: actually, i think that you can ---> http://p-nand-q.com/download/rfstool.html
[06:39] <hunika> ok I have to download under windows?
[06:39] <nalioth> hunika: reading linux filesystems is very risky to your linux date. be wary
[06:40] <LjL> hunika: yes
[06:40] <LjL> nalioth: *reading* them is risky?
[06:40] <nalioth> reading them from windows
[06:40] <hussam> I'm getting this error: GPG error: http://security.ubuntu.com breezy-security Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 40976EAF437D05B5 Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>
[06:40] <hunika> I would like to read
[06:40] <hussam> how do I fix the gpg error?
[06:41] <hunika> just my docs
[06:41] <nalioth> ubotu: tell hussam about gpgerr
[06:41] <LjL> nalioth: yeah, but why is that risky?
[06:41] <hunika> which i make in open office
[06:41] <nalioth> LjL: think about it. would you want windows mounting your linux FS?
[06:41] <LjL> nalioth: yeah, why not. if it's only to read...
[06:41] <nalioth> LjL: good luck to you.
[06:42] <nalioth> i'll play in the street first, LjL 
[06:42] <LjL> nalioth: i don't understand you. read-only access has never hurted anyone
[06:42] <sjborch> except pandora
[06:42] <hussam> nalioth: thanks, I'll try that
[06:43] <nalioth> LjL: read only access from linux > windows is good, i dont trust windows at all to play in my linux fs
[06:43] <l3m> hunika: try using google once in a while. google for "reiserfs windows" and click on the first hit
[06:43] <hunika> Ljl help me again :))) Now I am seeing more people in Linux Dc++
[06:43] <hunika> okay thanks
[06:43] <LjL> nalioth: sorry, but i think that's just your preconception against windows. windows can *always* access your linux partitions if it wants to, so under your logic, hunika should be scared *of running windows* to start with
[06:44] <LjL> nalioth: once one decides that running windows isn't scary enough for them, i don't see why one wouldn't download a GPLd program to access their Linux filesystem
[06:44] <nalioth> LjL: i totally agree
[06:44] <LjL> nalioth: especially when it's said on the homepage that "Access is read-only. I do not intend to change that, at least for the time being."
[06:44] <nalioth> everyone should be scared of running windows
[06:45] <hunika> Hey people I want just to access my documents
[06:45] <hunika> I like windows and linux both of them have pros and contras
[06:45] <LjL> nalioth: sorry, but one thing is giving reasonable IT advice, and another thing is doing FUD
[06:45] <hunika> Don't make a debate here
[06:45] <sjborch> using a fat32 partition is good for sharing between systems
[06:46] <Alex[RM-UK] > Has Anyone ever used the KXDOCKER ?
[06:47] <nalioth> LjL: with all the bugs and exploits available for windows, why would i want to expose my linux FS to that possiblity?
[06:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > How do I start KXDOCKER?
[06:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > I got it!
[06:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > wow
[06:49] <sjborch> Alex[RM-UK] : what's kxdocker?
[06:49] <sjborch> never mind. I see now.
[06:50] <l3m> Alex[RM-UK] : alt-f2, then type kxdocker
[06:50] <beginxattraction> Hey, where should I install my fonts?
[06:50] <l3m> !defoma
[06:50] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, l3m
[06:51] <LjL> nalioth: i say it again: if you see that as too risky, you simply don't use windows. so, if you like, tell people that using windows is dangerous -- but don't tell them that reading linux filesystems from windows is dangerous
[06:51] <l3m> !fonts
[06:51] <ubotu> I guess fonts is https://wiki.ubuntu.com//FontInstallHowto
[06:51] <beginxattraction> thank you!
[06:51] <LjL> nalioth: 'cause, really, that doesn't make any sense. if you get exploited or something, your linux partition can be put in danger *anyway*, whether you use some read-only utility to read you reiserfs partition or not
[06:53] <LjL> nalioth: it'd be like saying that "if you have linux installed, using IE on windows is risky". this statement may not be false, but it still doesn't make sense
[06:53] <l3m> nalioth: more likely is however, that the exploit thinks ( as does windows without special tools ) that it's just unusable hd or unpartitioned space or whatever and will leave all linux partitions in peace, even if it's wrecking your win sys
[06:54] <nalioth> gentlemen, lets take this to #kubuntu-offtopic please
[06:54] <l3m> hehe
[06:54] <l3m> where's my flamethrower
[07:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > Anyone know of a good Mac OS X Docker?
[07:04] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : kxdocker, kooldock, ksmoothdock
[07:04] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : the first i mentioned is in the reps, the others must be compiled
[07:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh, kxdocker you can't configure though
[07:06] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : hmm?
[07:07] <LjL> it's kinda limited in the options it offers, if that's what you mean
[07:07] <LjL> but you definitely can configure it
[07:07] <gast> hello
[07:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > how?
[07:07] <gast> newbie-question
[07:08] <gast> how do i compile with an older version of gcc?
[07:08] <LjL> well, install that version first
[07:08] <gast> i did
[07:08] <LjL> then, type "export CC=gcc-version"
[07:08] <nalioth> gast: in your terminal, type "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4  ./command-you-want-the-older-gcc-for"
[07:08] <LjL> then, configure and make as usual
[07:08] <nalioth> LjL: which way is correct?
[07:09] <LjL> nalioth: both
[07:09] <gast> thank you
[07:09] <LjL> nalioth: if you export, however, you won't forget to add the "CC=" after you've waited an hour trying to compile ;)
[07:09] <gast> er export command not found
[07:10] <LjL> gast: just remember to "make distclean" before anything else, if you've tried compiling with another version of gcc
[07:10] <LjL> ?
[07:10] <LjL> export is an internal bash command, are you not using bash?
[07:10] <gast> ok i used sudo export
[07:10] <gast> without sudo it works :)
[07:10] <LjL> sudo export is definitely wrong
[07:10] <gast> thank you for the distclean hint
[07:10] <LjL> only use sudo when you "make install"
[07:11] <LjL> (or, actually, when you "checkinstall", which will be a better choice)
[07:11] <nalioth> very very wrong
[07:11] <mp3guy> how do i make a program startup when i log on?
[07:11] <gast> put it in ~/.kde/autostart/
[07:11] <LjL> mp3guy: just leaving it running when you logoff should usually do the trick
[07:12] <gast> i mean put a symlink in that folder
[07:13] <mp3guy> gast, do i just go to the folder then right click, create new> link to application
[07:14] <darkrad-> anybody know how to add a user to mysql?
[07:14] <darkrad-> once it's installed?
[07:14] <nalioth> mp3guy: that will work
[07:15] <mp3guy> thnks
[07:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey, i've just downloaded KoolDock - (CVS AutoGenerated Tarball) ... what is a CVS autogenerated Tarball, and how do I install it?
[07:16] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : cd to it, and type "./configure"
[07:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > I tried, it comes up with this
[07:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > bash: ./configure: No such file or directory
[07:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > see, im cursed :@
[07:16] <hunika> Thanks LJL the chat program you have gaved me is working
[07:17] <nalioth> Alex[RM-UK] : no. in every tarball there should be a README or INSTALL
[07:17] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : no you're not
[07:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > theres both,
[07:17] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : you must run autoconf on it
[07:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > autoconf: configure.in: No such file or directory
[07:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > there is a configure.in.in ... but not configure.in
[07:17] <nalioth> Alex[RM-UK] : reading is fundamental
[07:17] <Alex[RM-UK] > I did, it said to type ./configure...good work
[07:17] <hunika> Thanks for everythinh Ljl
[07:18] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : why have you downloaded the CVS tarball?
[07:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > cos the other one the link was down :P
[07:18] <LjL> hunika: np
[07:18] <hunika> I am leaving know 
[07:18] <hunika> Later we will talk
[07:18] <hunika> where are you from Ljl?
[07:18] <hunika> I am from Romania
[07:19] <LjL> i'm from italy
[07:19] <hunika> :D
[07:19] <hunika> I am Hungarian anyway
[07:19] <hunika> Good bye
[07:19] <LjL> bye
[07:19] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : let me download that thing and try. anyway, you'll most probably need autoconf
[07:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > I tried autoconf
[07:19] <nalioth> LjL: build-essential should have autoconf
[07:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > I ahve autoconf
[07:20] <nalioth> Alex[RM-UK] : install a higher version of autoconf
[07:20] <darkrad-> anybody know how to add a user to mysql?
[07:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes
[07:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > darkrad-, PHP?
[07:21] <devilz> hi can someone help me with source.list
[07:21] <devilz> i cant get skype packages
[07:21] <devilz> etc
[07:21] <darkrad-> no, mysql installed on ubuntu
[07:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh
[07:22] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : i could tell you what to do, but instead, please read the page you downloaded kooldock from again... ;-)
[07:22] <nalioth> ubotu: tell devilz about skype
[07:22] <nalioth> devilz: skype is not in any sources
[07:22] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : clue: look for the "#"
[07:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > *** YOU'RE USING Autoconf version 2.13.
[07:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[07:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > make[1] : *** [cvs]  Error 1
[07:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > make: *** [all]  Error 2
[07:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > I AM cursed
[07:23] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : no, that happened to me too
[07:23] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : it says it requires another version, so why not install that other version
[07:23] <nalioth> Alex[RM-UK] : as i said, install a newer version
[07:24] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : specifically, the package containing the right version is simply called "autoconf"
[07:25] <LjL> nalioth: by the way, build-essential doesn't depend on autoconf, just on make... unless make depends on autoconf, but it doesn't seem to
[07:25] <LjL> nalioth: never mind, build-essential depends on gcc, which depends on autoconf
[07:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > the latest version is 2.13
[07:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > in my packagemanager
[07:26] <nalioth> LjL: build-essential is missing a lot of things, imho
[07:26] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : please type "apt-cache show autoconf | grep Version", and paste me the results
[07:26] <LjL> nalioth: perhaps so, but autoconf and automake are there anyway (at least some versions of them), i was mistaken
[07:26] <nalioth> Alex[RM-UK] : but not in here, please (pasting)
[07:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > rsion: 2.59a-3
[07:27] <LjL> nalioth: no, it'll be fine pasting it in here, that's why i put the "grep Version" ;-)
[07:27] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : so, it seems that 2.13 isn't the newest version in your repositories, is it?
[07:27] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : "sudo aptitude install autoconf", as i said
[07:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes
[07:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > my latest version is 2.13
[07:28] <LjL> of course it is
[07:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok, want to have a screen shot?
[07:28] <LjL> that's why i told you to install the package named "autoconf"
[07:28] <LjL> which is version 2.59
[07:28] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : no, i want you to install the package called "autoconf"
[07:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > I am!
[07:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > MY latest version is 2.13
[07:29] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : ok, how do you know that your latest version is 2.13?
[07:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > because it says, autoconf2.13
[07:29] <LjL> Alex[RM-UK] : DO NOT INSTALL THAT ONE, install "autoconf", not "autoconf2.13"
[07:29] <LjL> i don't know how to explain it
[07:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > I've done that aswell
[07:29] <LjL> "sudo aptitude install autoconf"
[07:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > gah, brb food
[07:29] <devilz> what is breezy and what is warty?
[07:30] <LjL> devilz: breezy is the current version of (k)ubuntu, hoary was the previous version, and warty was the version before hoary (as well as the first version of (k)ubuntu, i think)
[07:30] <devilz> so i use breezy
[07:31] <devilz> but howto build source list
[07:31] <devilz> so i can get all packages
[07:31] <LjL> !tell devilz about sources
[07:31] <devilz> which i want
[07:31] <nalioth> devilz: there are some pkgs you will never find in the repos
[07:31] <darkrad-> anybody know how to add a user to mysql?
[07:31] <nalioth> devilz: ask us about those
[07:31] <devilz> ok
[07:32] <LjL> darkrad-: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/adding-users.html
[07:32] <LjL> darkrad-: google is easy
[07:33] <devilz> LjL, this url that ubotu gave me
[07:33] <devilz> i selected all packages
[07:33] <devilz> and source
[07:34] <capricorn_tm> Good evening to everyone
[07:34] <capricorn_tm> ^_^
[07:34] <devilz> including security and security updates
[07:34] <LjL> devilz: security should *definitely* be selected
[07:34] <br4in> hello everybody
[07:35] <capricorn_tm> hello
[07:35] <devilz> i cant show you damn
[07:35] <br4in> I've got a problem with my notebook networking on 5.10
[07:35] <capricorn_tm> what's the prob?
[07:35] <LjL> devilz: just use the sources.list that ubotu gave you about Breezy, and you should be fine
[07:36] <devilz> and make apt-get update
[07:36] <Zeusz> hello
[07:36] <devilz> and upgrade
[07:36] <devilz> ?
[07:36] <br4in> everytime i try to enable interface (eth0 -> lan or eth1 -> wifi) the device is shown as enabled but then quickly switches over to disabled again
[07:36] <capricorn_tm> hello Zeus
[07:36] <devilz> still cant find skype
[07:36] <devilz> @@
[07:36] <LjL> devilz: upgrade is optional, you can if you want (use "dist-upgrade" anyway, not just "upgrade")
[07:36] <apokryphos> !skype
[07:36] <ubotu> skype is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[07:36] <LjL> devilz: but "sudo apt-get update" is definitely needed
[07:36] <br4in> but when i sudo dhclient it works and is then shown as enabled
[07:36] <Zeusz> do you have a script for konversaation that displays information of the song playing in xmms
[07:36] <Zeusz> ?
[07:37] <apokryphos> Zeusz: why would you use xmms? 8)
[07:37] <br4in> so i can get on the net but this still bugs me
[07:37] <LjL> Zeusz: if you find one, don't use it on here...
[07:37] <Zeusz> because i like it
[07:37] <Zeusz> i won't
[07:37] <capricorn_tm> I'm with you Zeus, Amarok confuses me
[07:37] <br4in> brb pizza delivery, sry
[07:37] <Zeusz> I'm just used to having one under mIRC
[07:37] <apokryphos> :/
[07:37] <Zeusz> and i would need one for Konversation
[07:38] <capricorn_tm> Pizza? luky mate
[07:38] <apokryphos> konversation has one built in, but it only checks JuK and amaroK IIRC
[07:38] <Zeusz> I like XMMS
[07:38] <apokryphos> (i.e. the only players worth checking :P)
[07:38] <Zeusz> it checks amarok
[07:38] <LjL> Zeusz: look at xmms-infopipe
[07:38] <Zeusz> thats fine 
[07:38] <capricorn_tm> Oh come on, xmms is good, old but good
[07:38] <Zeusz> i installd that
[07:38] <apokryphos> nope
[07:38] <Zeusz> xmms-infopipe
[07:38] <apokryphos> it's terrible :)
[07:38] <capricorn_tm> why?
[07:38] <Zeusz> just don't know how to use it
[07:39] <LjL> Zeusz: xmms-infopipe will enable you to write a script for konversation. don't know if there's one ready somewhere, don't think
[07:39] <Zeusz> how?
[07:39] <apokryphos> capricorn_tm: very ugly, hardly any nice features, terrible usability, X menus. Ergh
[07:39] <Zeusz> ok what are the commands for Amarok?
[07:39] <Zeusz> in Konversation?
[07:39] <apokryphos> Zeusz: /media
[07:39] <capricorn_tm> Okay okaym, got your point Apokryphos
[07:40] <capricorn_tm> ^_^ I still do like xmms, I'm a nostalgic
[07:40] <devilz> LjL
[07:40] <devilz> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of skype:
[07:40] <devilz>  skype depends on libqt3c102-mt (>= 3:3.3.3.2); however:
[07:40] <devilz>   Package libqt3c102-mt is not installed.
[07:40] <apokryphos> !tell devilz about skype
[07:40] <ninHer> hi all
[07:40] <Zeusz> well just found out that amarok doesn't work
[07:41] <apokryphos> capricorn_tm: a reason I won't argue with :)
[07:41] <rohan> hi all
[07:41] <darkrad-> lol
[07:41] <darkrad-> wb
[07:41] <mymayer> omg
[07:41] <mymayer> my interface
[07:41] <mymayer> went down
[07:41] <mymayer> you would believe
[07:41] <apokryphos> Zeusz: works perfectly here
[07:41] <darkrad-> :(
[07:41] <mymayer> the hole *** blowed up ..
[07:42] <LjL> Zeusz: look at the konversation help, section "scripting", there is an example telling you how to pipe the output of a command into konversation. that's precisely what you want
[07:42] <Zeusz> it's not configured yet
[07:42] <apokryphos> you don't have to configure anything
[07:42] <Zeusz> but i dont know the command
[07:42] <LjL> devilz: well, install that, no?
[07:42] <Zeusz> in xmms infopipe
[07:42] <apokryphos> if amarok is playing, and konversation is open, then /media    will do it
[07:42] <apokryphos> oh, talking about xmms now...
[07:42] <darkrad-> mymayer: join there
[07:42] <devilz> ljl cant
[07:43] <Zeusz> look no offence for Amarok I'm just used to Winamp
[07:43] <apokryphos> Zeusz: bad reason to keep using xmms
[07:43] <capricorn_tm> I Have a strange problem. My home is just 3,6 gigs big, but the disk is 30, how can I resize the home?
[07:43] <LjL> devilz: why?
[07:43] <Zeusz> ok what's that infopipe command ?
[07:43] <capricorn_tm> why I want to resize it?
[07:44] <Zeusz> or where can i find the readme for infopipe?
[07:44] <apokryphos> capricorn_tm: you can use gparted/qtparted
[07:44] <apokryphos> partition tools in general aren't 100% guaranteed. Some bad stories
[07:44] <capricorn_tm> apokryphos: How do i do that? Never used them
[07:45] <apokryphos> I'm sure you'll figure it out if you open 'em up 8)
[07:45] <LjL> Zeusz: "dpkg -L xmms-infopipe" will show all the files belonging to that package
[07:46] <Zeusz> 10x a lot
[07:46] <Zeusz> bye 
[07:46] <capricorn_tm> BYE
[07:46] <capricorn_tm> Okay, so basically i have to create a larger home partition?
[07:47] <apokryphos> if that's what you want to do
[07:47] <capricorn_tm> I do nnot get it, i gave the partition 30 gigs and Kubuntu allows me the use of only one tenth
[07:48] <devilz> apokryphos, this link you game me about skype
[07:48] <devilz> it sux
[07:48] <devilz> still got this lib* thing crashing
[07:48] <apokryphos> no; it tells you exactly how to install it
[07:48] <devilz> i did
[07:48] <devilz> same
[07:49] <capricorn_tm> wait, wait, I get it..... I thought he would have made a home partition in the 30 gigs I gave him, but instead he made it in the 4gigs root partition
[07:49] <apokryphos> devilz: just wget http://home.versateladsl.be/wvermeir/ubuntu/skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386.deb && sudo dpkg -i skype_1.2.0.18-1_i386.deb 
[07:49] <capricorn_tm> Now I get it
[07:50] <capricorn_tm> Hummmm... Can I place my home in the 30 gigs partition?
[07:50] <capricorn_tm> hi aplg
[07:50] <devilz> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of skype:
[07:50] <devilz>  skype depends on libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.3.4-1); however:
[07:50] <devilz>   Package libstdc++5 is not installed.
[07:50] <capricorn_tm> Hi vonhalenbach
[07:51] <apokryphos> that is an entirely different error
[07:51] <apokryphos> devilz: no prizes for guessing what you have to do
[07:51] <nalioth> devilz: go back to skype.com and get the static version
[07:51] <apokryphos> capricorn_tm: so what's the exact situations. Two partitions with......
[07:51] <devilz> i did
[07:51] <apokryphos> no point; that deb works fine
[07:51] <vonHalenbach> capricorn_tm: do you know me ?
[07:52] <gerardocb> devilz, dl the rpm for Mandriva from skype.com, alien package.rpm, and then dpkg -i package.deb
[07:52] <gerardocb> that worked for me
[07:52] <apokryphos> devilz: install libstdc++5  of course
[07:52] <capricorn_tm> Vonhalenbach: no just being polite, sorry to have disturbed you
[07:53] <vonHalenbach> Hello capricorn_tm . anyway. ;-)
[07:53] <capricorn_tm> apokryphos: the situation is the following there is a partition of 30 gigs that is empty and all my kubuntu ( including my home is located in the 4 gigs root partition
[07:54] <apokryphos> capricorn_tm: yes, it can easily be done
[07:54] <aplg> hey capricorn_tm 
[07:55] <apokryphos> capricorn_tm: (i) mount the home directory to i.e. /media/home, (ii) move all the stuff from your current home into that folder, (ii) delete that one and then remount the first partition under /home
[07:55] <Zeusz> weel I'm convinced
[07:55] <Zeusz> Amarok works fine
[07:55] <apokryphos> =)
[07:55] <Zeusz> and I like it
[07:55] <Zeusz> :)
[07:55] <Zeusz> :)
[07:55] <Zeusz> cool
[07:55] <capricorn_tm> I don't get it, why did he ask me for two different partitions in the insatll phase and then place the home in the root? Oh well, what do i do, a hard link?
[07:55] <apokryphos> Zeusz: there are many great features on amaroK; you'll see :)
[07:55] <devilz> apokryphos, 
[07:55] <devilz> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
[07:55] <devilz> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:55] <devilz>   libstdc++5: Depends: gcc-3.3-base (>= 1:3.3.6-8ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:55] <apokryphos> capricorn_tm: nope; just edit /etc/fstab
[07:55] <Zeusz> good to know
[07:56] <devilz> this what i get when i try installing libstdc+5
[07:56] <Zeusz> ok thanks for everithing bye
[07:56] <apokryphos> devilz: you're into dependency hell. Did you install non-ubuntu packs?
[07:56] <devilz> no
[07:57] <nalioth> devilz: you did say you got the static skype package?
[07:57] <devilz> now i'm not trying to install skype
[07:57] <devilz> i have other problems
[07:57] <br4in> yummy.
[07:57] <devilz> ^^
[07:58] <devilz> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[07:58] <devilz> i made sudo dpkg --install --auto-deconfigure libqt3c102-mt_3.3.4-3_i386.deb
[07:58] <devilz> and got previous msg
[07:58] <br4in> so, to reiterate my problem
[07:58] <devilz> ^^
[07:58] <h>  do u enable your hardware mixer control?
[07:59] <br4in> I've got a problem with my notebook networking on 5.10
[07:59] <br4in> everytime i try to enable interface (eth0 -> lan or eth1 -> wifi) the device is shown as enabled but then quickly switches over to disabled again, but when i sudo dhclient it works and is then shown as enabled
[07:59] <nalioth> devilz: you are heading for Trouble doing that
[07:59] <br4in> anybody got any ideas?
[07:59] <nalioth> devilz: stop with the dpkg. you are using a non ubuntu pkg and that is causing your trouble
[08:00] <devilz> oh
[08:00] <devilz> well tell me please
[08:00] <devilz> how can i fix all this mass
[08:00] <devilz> mess
[08:00] <nalioth> devilz: go and get the "static" skype package
[08:02] <mp3guy> i installed ubuntu, then later put on KDE, my firefox has really small fonts, and some formatting trouble, is there something i need to install/uninstall to fix this problem?
[08:02] <devilz> bah
[08:02] <capricorn_tm> Okay, gotta go, bye, Thanks for the help Apokryphos
[08:03] <h> nalioth, skype works like shit. It has sound problems
[08:03] <apokryphos> mp3guy: do you have gtk2-engines-gtk-qt installed?
[08:03] <h> nalioth, how do I fix the sound problem in skype. ?
[08:03] <nalioth> ubotu: tell h about sound
[08:03] <mp3guy> i'll check now apokryphos
[08:03] <apokryphos> mp3guy: dpkg -l|grep gtk2-engines-gtk-qt
[08:05] <mp3guy> no, i don;t apokryphos
[08:05] <apokryphos> install it
[08:05] <apokryphos> then restart your KDE
[08:06] <mp3guy> ok
[08:06] <mp3guy> thanks
[08:06] <apokryphos> you should then be able to alter the fonts for your GTK apps from systemsettings
[08:08] <h> ubotu: the links u gave me did not have skype related solutions
[08:08] <ubotu> h: I give up, what is it?
[08:09] <nalioth> !ubotu
[08:09] <ubotu> Yep, that's me! I'm a bot alright. Read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbotuUsage to find out how to use me. Do NOT play with me in any channel.
[08:09] <h> ubotu, What's the solution to skype sound problems?
[08:09] <ubotu> h: Wish i knew
[08:09] <h> nalioth, is ubotu a robot?
[08:09] <nalioth> ubotu: is a bot
[08:09] <ubotu> nalioth: I don't know
[08:09] <nalioth> ubotu: botsnack
[08:09] <ubotu> thanks nalioth :)
[08:19] <mymayer> how letting the NFS server set the uid/guid when someone connects ?
[08:31] <ClayG> h, I haven't used in a while and only the doze version of skype
[08:31] <ClayG> but there is a text/config file where you can manually raise the mic volume
[08:31] <ClayG> for some reason's it turns it-self down
[08:31] <ClayG> the lowmic - theycan'thearme problem is the only one I know how to solve
[08:31] <ClayG> if you are having problems hearing them I dont know, sorry
[08:35] <ztonzy> hi apokryphos 
[08:46] <albert> hi all!
[08:51] <nalioth> hi
[08:53] <Drakeson> I need  .desktop entry to run ~/something.sh shell script. what is the "Type" of this .desktop file?
[08:53] <Drakeson> also what should I set as its "Exec" ?
[09:06] <aplg> how can I change the system language?
[09:08] <os2mac> so here is a stupid question... what does everyone use for wifi ap detection? I can't seem to get Kismet to run
[09:11] <nalioth> os2mac: i use iwlist
[09:12] <os2mac> cmd line app?
[09:15] <nalioth> os2mac: yep
[09:18] <os2mac> is there a way to filter the results down to just say channel, strength and essid?
[09:19] <LjL> grep?
[09:20] <os2mac> and I have wondered this for a while... is there a way to grep for multiple words at the same time?
[09:21] <LjL> grep "exp1\|exp2\|exp3"
[09:21] <darkrad-> FATAL: Error inserting fan (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.k o): No such device
[09:21] <darkrad-> FATAL: Error inserting thermal (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko): No such device
[09:21] <darkrad-> why i get it?
[09:22] <darkrad-> i see the error when i stop the kdm
[09:22] <darkrad-> but probably they are thrown in boot sequence
[09:22] <darkrad-> any way to fix?
[09:23] <LjL> perhaps you just don't have the relevant hardware that those modules drive
[09:25] <os2mac> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan |grep "ESSID\|Quality\|Channel"
[09:25] <os2mac> works very well.
[09:26] <LjL> that
[09:26] <LjL> that's the way to do it, yes
[09:32] <sophie_> echo echo echo
[09:33] <os2mac> or better yet
[09:34] <os2mac> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan |grep "ESSID\|Quality\|Channel\|Mode\|Encryption\|Protocol"
[09:34] <os2mac> that should tell you everything you need to know
[09:35] <mister_roboto>  I installed grub with Suse Linux a long time ago. Now I boot Ubuntu on another partition but the grub menu is still on the Suse partition. I want to abandon that partition and have grub run from the Ubuntu one. Any idea how I can reconfigure it?
[09:36] <nalioth> mister_roboto: rerun the grub config from ubuntu, i'd guess
[09:39] <mister_roboto> nalioth: i tried dpkg-reconfigure grub but that didn't do anything
[09:40] <nalioth> mister_roboto: i'm not sure about grub, i've never used it (i have powermacs)
[09:41] <mister_roboto> nalioth: thank anyway :)
[09:44] <LeeJunFan> mister_roboto: just run sudo grub-install /dev/hdX
[09:45] <LeeJunFan> mister_roboto: where X is the partition letter for your drive. hda?
[09:45] <mister_roboto> LeeJunFan: thanks very much!
[09:45] <mister_roboto> yes
[09:45] <mister_roboto> LeeJunFan: that's what i needed :)
[09:48] <mister_roboto> !tell me about fixres
[09:49] <fernandotcl> hello, does anyone know what happened to the kvim package?
[09:50] <fernandotcl> it seems to be no longer available in 5.10
[09:50] <nalioth> !info kvim
[09:51] <fernandotcl> !info kvim
[09:51] <fernandotcl> it says it doesn't exist... :S
[09:51] <nalioth> guess you'll need to compile it
[09:52] <fernandotcl> but why was it taken away from the packages tree?
[09:52] <sophie_> hello all
[09:52] <fernandotcl> hey
[09:53] <sophie_> ive upgraded from hoary to breezy using apt-get went pretty well but my system is now unstable!
[09:53] <chapium> whats the difference between kvim and vim?
[09:53] <fernandotcl> kvim is a graphical vim, with a qt interface
[09:53] <mister_roboto> sophie_ sounds like it didn't go so well after all!
[09:53] <sophie_> kde is acting up! and some of the new features are activated only when crating a new acount
[09:54] <fernandotcl> well, anyways, i think i'll just use gvim instead... catch you guys later
[09:54] <nalioth> sophie_: did you use "dist-upgrade"
[09:54] <mister_roboto> sophie_: hmmm sounds like you have some .xxx config in your home dir that needs cleaning
[09:55] <chapium> i guess i never quite got the gui'd vim
[09:55] <chapium> to me it was still vim, but possibly more awkward
[09:56] <sophie_> when installing new kde apt I have to do 
[09:57] <sophie_> kbuildsycoca
[09:58] <sophie_> nalioth: yep i did dist-upgrade
[09:59] <sophie_> nalioth: Imnow downloading breezy image to reinstall from scratch
[09:59] <sophie_> mister_roboto: should i just delete .kde!
[09:59] <mister_roboto> sophie_: if you're gonna reinstall from scratch you might try the less drastic path of cleaning out your .kde first
[10:00] <mister_roboto> sophie_:  lol  
[10:00] <nalioth> sophie_: dont do that, (it may not be necessary)
[10:00] <mister_roboto> sophie: just rename it
[10:00] <sophie_> nalioth: well example the new desktop rubberbanc is so f*&*& slow
[10:00] <sophie_> nalioth: when I'm iusing acce;erated x nvidia drivers
[10:00] <nalioth> sophie_: yes, try renaming your ~/.kde
[10:01] <sophie_> nalioth:  Sound server crashes every half houw
[10:01] <sophie_> nalioth: kate crshes when using puthon class browser plugin
[10:02] <sophie_> nalioth: and sometimes whole system freezes after a couple of hours standby
[10:02] <johnclark> hello guys, anybody tried to run nxserver under AMD64?
[10:02] <nalioth> sophie_: did you upgrade from the internet?
[10:02] <sophie_> nalioth: I use to have uptimes of weeks now I have to do hard reboot
[10:03] <sophie_> nalioth: yep
[10:04] <nalioth> sophie_: never heard of all those problems
[10:05] <sophie_> nalioth: I even got my harddrives acting up could not write to them
[10:05] <johnclark> where are the 64bit experts???
[10:05] <damnhil> Does KDE use ALSA or /dev/dsp?
[10:05] <mister_roboto> i upgraded from hoary to breezy over the net too and it was painless except for the graphics :)
[10:05] <sophie_> nalioth: maybe I,ve got a hardware issue or driver problem
[10:05] <damnhil> johnclark, 64 support is bad
[10:05] <johnclark> i know, it's my reason to ask ;-)
[10:06] <sophie_> mister_roboto: for nvidia driver upgrade I had to intsll from nvidia a compile my own kernel modul
[10:06] <hunika> Hello everybody
[10:06] <sophie_> hi hunika 
[10:06] <hunika> Hello Ljl
[10:06] <mister_roboto> damnhil: it's bad?   i was planning to buy a 64 bit machine very soon. :(
[10:06] <LjL> hi
[10:06] <mister_roboto> sophie_: that's what i ended up doing as well.
[10:06] <nalioth> sophie_: it doesnt sound like a software issue in general to me
[10:06] <sophie_> anyway 12 minutes till download is done man kubuntu torrents are fast
[10:06] <mister_roboto> nalioth: except for the part about new accounts having the new features
[10:07] <mister_roboto> nalioth: that sounds like old, bad config
[10:07] <johnclark> it's not bad, but you are somewhat alone when it's about apps, which are not available for 64bit
[10:07] <nalioth> sophie_: have you renamed your ~/.kde  ?
[10:07] <sophie_> any hardware guru? can a power frop in voltage so that hard drive start acting up
[10:07] <johnclark> 64bit rocks like hell in ubuntu
[10:07] <sophie_> nalioth: nope not yep 
[10:08] <sophie_> nalioth: I'll think ill do a fresh install to make sure that my problems are not hardware realted
[10:08] <nalioth> sophie_: good luck :)
[10:08] <sophie_> nalioth: thanks
[10:09] <sophie_> nalioth: I have to reconfigure ssh, samba, my firefox extentions...  what a pain
[10:09] <hunika> Hello LjL
[10:09] <hunika> can you help me again?
[10:09] <nalioth> sophie_: that's why we're offering you other suggestions
[10:09] <LjL> perhaps, ask me
[10:10] <hunika> so
[10:10] <mister_roboto> sophie:_ save your directories first   ~/.ssh   ~/.samba ~/.mozilla (or whatever)
[10:10] <hunika> a simple thing
[10:10] <nalioth> sophie_: yes, you should always back up your $HOMEDIR
[10:11] <hunika> I have two printers both compatible with kubuntu. But when I would like to print something, the printer starts printing but I can not see nothing in the page, under windows it workd
[10:11] <LjL> hunika: ack, this is very hardware specific
[10:12] <hunika> But it is a soft problem I am sure. In windows I can use it, I can see the text:) but under linux I see just a white sheet
[10:12] <wundrgoat> Good day everyone.   Hope you're cheery.  If anyone can be so graceful, I'd love to get a handle on this printing problem of mine.  Running Kubuntu Breezy trying to print to a Brother 1440.   Printer's installed but nadd happening.
[10:12] <LjL> no doubt it's a software problem, but i can't think of anything to suggest you to try about it
[10:14] <os2mac> Ljl is it remote or local?
[10:15] <LjL> os2mac: ?
[10:15] <apokryphos> seth_k|lappy: I'm finding it weird that the only sane people on the fora are IRC users :)
[10:15] <os2mac> the printer... is it connected locally or is it attached to another computer on the network?
[10:15] <wundrgoat> Are any other people have problems printing in Kubreezy?  Is this a common theme?
[10:15] <seth_k|lappy> word, apokryphos ;)
[10:15] <LjL> oh, dunno, but i assumed it's connected locally
[10:16] <seth_k|lappy> had a nice talk with robotgeek yesterday, apokryphos 
[10:16] <apokryphos> seth_k|lappy: a somewhat delayed response to your message 8)
[10:16] <seth_k|lappy> wundrgoat, you found the exact driver for a brother 1440? what driver are you using?
[10:16] <mister_roboto> wundrgoat: I have an HP network printer and it just worked
[10:21] <os2mac> I had problems with printing initially but that was a common Norton AV blocking problem...
[10:21] <hunika> LJL I have managed to play videos jupeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. With totem-xine
[10:21] <hunika> I reinstalled and it works
[10:21] <LjL> cool
[10:21] <os2mac> I modified my settings and it works.
[10:22] <hunika> I can have skins fot totem-xine?
[10:22] <hunika> so download
[10:22] <hunika> I am getting used to Linux
[10:24] <LjL> dunno about skins
[10:25] <MenZa`>  hi
[10:25] <MenZa`> I've just downloaded KDE from a Ubuntu terminal
[10:26] <MenZa`> It seems to be in english though - can I change my language?
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> sure, MenZa` 
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> go to SystemSettings
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> Regional & Accessibility
[10:26] <seth_k|lappy> Language
[10:27] <MenZa`> ah
[10:27] <MenZa`> hmm
[10:27] <MenZa`> I go "Add Language"
[10:27] <MenZa`> I can only choose US English though
[10:27] <MenZa`> Can I download others?
[10:27] <seth_k|lappy> yes
[10:27] <seth_k|lappy> let me find the package names
[10:27] <seth_k|lappy> what language would you like?
[10:27] <MenZa`> (it's for Danish)
[10:27] <MenZa`> heh
[10:27] <MenZa`> Danish :P
[10:27] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[10:28] <seth_k|lappy> one moment :)
[10:28] <seth_k|lappy> ok MenZa`, use Synaptic or kynaptic to install these packages:
[10:29] <seth_k|lappy> kde-i18n-da
[10:29] <_moss> how do i get the latest KDE
[10:29] <seth_k|lappy> language-pack-kde-da-base
[10:29] <MenZa`> (I'm completely new to KDE, so Kynaptic?)
[10:29] <_moss> ?
[10:29] <seth_k|lappy> MenZa`, it doesn't matter. Either one... they should both be in the System menu
[10:29] <_moss> adept
[10:29] <LjL> MenZa`: just install them from the command line if you've done that before
[10:29] <_moss> seth_k|lappy: adept
[10:29] <mister_roboto> Menza`: FYI, I found adept to be a lot nicer than kynaptic
[10:30] <mister_roboto> Menza`: YMMV  :)
[10:30] <fabian> hello there, could anyone help a linux newb on howto install software (i.e. firefox) please? i'd prefer a short priv. msg session
[10:30] <_moss> how do i get the RC of KDE
[10:30] <seth_k|lappy> _moss, oh yeah, we're using Breezy now, I always forget... /me just uses synaptic anyways
[10:30] <seth_k|lappy> _moss, http://kubuntu.org has it
[10:30] <seth_k|lappy> click the announcement there
[10:30] <_moss> lol
[10:30] <_moss> ok
[10:30] <MenZa`> Well, how do I use synaptic/kynaptic, seth_k|lappy ?
[10:30] <MenZa`> Is it a terminal command?
[10:30] <seth_k|lappy> MenZa`, no... click the K menu, then click System
[10:30] <LjL> fabian: "sudo aptitude install firefox" will install firefox. to be able to install all the packages that are available for Ubuntu, though, you'll have to change the contents of a file (/etc/apt/sources.list) a little, as in...
[10:30] <LjL> !tell fabian about sources
[10:30] <seth_k|lappy> choose Adept Package Manager
[10:31] <seth_k|lappy> then search for those 2 packages: kde-i18n-da & language-pack-kde-da-base :)
[10:33] <MenZa`> ungh
[10:33] <MenZa`> how do I search?
[10:33] <MenZa`> manage repositories?
[10:33] <LjL> MenZa`: type "sudo aptitude kde-i18n-da & language-pack-kde-da-base" in a shell and you'll be fine
[10:34] <MenZa`> perfect.
[10:34] <MenZa`> Thanks, both of you :)
[10:34] <seth_k|lappy> cheers
[10:34] <LjL> sorry, that's wrong
[10:34] <seth_k|lappy> add an install in there
[10:34] <LjL> sudo aptitude install de-i18n-da & language-pack-kde-da-base
[10:34] <seth_k|lappy> sudo aptitude install
[10:34] <seth_k|lappy> yep
[10:34] <seth_k|lappy> no
[10:34] <seth_k|lappy> take out the & sign
[10:34] <LjL> uh..
[10:34] <LjL> yeah, guess so :)
[10:34] <seth_k|lappy> sudo aptitude install kde-i18n-da language-pack-kde-da-base
[10:34] <seth_k|lappy> :P
[10:34] <seth_k|lappy> exactly that line, MenZa` ^^
[10:34] <LjL> should be it ;)
[10:35] <seth_k|lappy> hehe, between the two of use we'll get it LjL ;)
[10:35] <seth_k|lappy> s/use/us/
[10:35] <seth_k|lappy> I give up at typing.
[10:35] <LjL> :D
[10:35] <MenZa`> hmm
[10:35] <MenZa`> It doesn't work
[10:35] <seth_k|lappy> probably don't have aptitude
[10:35] <seth_k|lappy> MenZa`, replace aptitude with apt-get
[10:35] <seth_k|lappy> and try again
[10:35] <LjL> sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-da language-pack-kde-da-base
[10:36] <seth_k|lappy> (aptitude >>> apt-get tho, so install it sometime)
[10:36] <LjL> seth_k|lappy: (but it comes by default in every Ubuntu afaik)
[10:36] <seth_k|lappy> aptitude does?
[10:36] <LjL> seth_k|lappy: yes
[10:36] <MenZa`> It says something about that it's unknown on line 1 of the source-list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:36] <MenZa`> The list of sources couldn't be read
[10:36] <LjL> seth_k|lappy: it's marked as "important"
[10:36] <LjL> MenZa`: type "sudo apt-get update"
[10:37] <MenZa`> same error
[10:37] <MenZa`> :O!!11
[10:37] <LjL> MenZa`: you have a broken /etc/apt/source.list file
[10:37] <LjL> !tell MenZa` about easysource
[10:37] <MenZa`> uh oh
[10:37] <LjL> !tell MenZa` about sources
[10:37] <MenZa`> this is bad shit, I'm a total noob at this
[10:37] <MenZa`> hm.
[10:37] <MenZa`> Better get to work
[10:38] <LjL> MenZa`: just edit the file /etc/apt/source.list with your favorite editor (you must use "sudo" before the editor command, though)
[10:38] <LjL> MenZa`: and either find the line that's wrong, or use one of the pre-made files than ubotu gave you
[10:38] <apokryphos> MenZa`: not for GUI editors
[10:38] <LjL> MenZa`: but, you can paste your current file into the pastebin, and hopefully i'll be able to tell you what's wrong
[10:38] <apokryphos> er, LjL instead
[10:39] <LjL> apokryphos: no? what's wrong with doing that?
[10:39] <apokryphos> LjL: you should use kdesu for launching GUI editors with sudo powers
[10:39] <LjL> apokryphos: oh, right, the X hosts file
[10:39] <seth_k|lappy> .ICEauthority
[10:39] <MenZa`> I can just use emacs, rite?
[10:39] <seth_k|lappy> sure
[10:39] <MenZa`> hmm
[10:39] <LjL> MenZa`: if you like, yeah
[10:39] <apokryphos> many things, but often the dcop sockets
[10:39] <MenZa`> I tried easysource
[10:39] <MenZa`> And it opens in Kate
[10:39] <MenZa`> So, I guess I'll have to save it then?
[10:40] <LjL> MenZa`: you won't be able to save it to the right file if kate wasn't launched as root
[10:40] <LjL> MenZa`: you must save in /etc/apt/sources.list, which belongs to root
[10:40] <MenZa`> damnit
[10:40] <MenZa`> Alright
[10:40] <MenZa`> I'll open the current one in emacs
[10:41] <_moss> ermm
[10:41] <_moss> is it safe to use kde 3.5
[10:41] <_moss> ?
[10:41] <LjL> _moss: i'm using it right now, and it sort of works here
[10:41] <MenZa`> heh
[10:41] <_moss> ok ;/
[10:41] <LjL> _moss: i mean, it *does* work, has got a few small quirks but works. YMMV
[10:41] <MenZa`> How do I open a file in emacs from terminal D:?
[10:42] <_moss> ok thx
[10:42] <LjL> MenZa`: i don't use emacs, but "sudo emacs /etc/apt/sources.list" i suppose
[10:42] <MenZa`> Roger
[10:42] <MenZa`> Okay, it's open
[10:42] <MenZa`> What do I edit :
[10:42] <os2mac> ew emacs 
[10:42] <LjL> MenZa`: i don't know, until i know what's wrong... paste it into the pastebin pls
[10:43] <_kay> Evening
[10:43] <os2mac> doesn't vim have a GUI?
[10:44] <LjL> os2mac: you wish :)
[10:44] <LjL> but actually, it does, they were speaking about kvim some time ago
[10:44] <_kay> os2mac: it does have one
[10:44] <MenZa`> God this is embarrasing
[10:44] <LjL> but that seems to have been removed from breezy
[10:44] <_kay> with gtk too
[10:44] <LjL> still, there's a GTK version, and other stuff
[10:45] <LjL> there's also VIMPart for KDE, which i haven't quite understood (nor am i going to ;)
[10:45] <seth_k|lappy> _moss, I'm using KDE 3.5 too, no showstoppers here
[10:45] <_moss> ok
[10:45] <_kay> vim-gnome and vim-gtk both exist
[10:45] <_moss> whats the easiest way to get it
[10:46] <seth_k|lappy> wb
[10:46] <MenZa`> lol
[10:46] <MenZa`> I accidentally logged out
[10:46] <MenZa`> Humm
[10:46] <MenZa`> Embarrasing, I can't even copy the text here
[10:46] <LjL> i had suspected so ;)
[10:46] <seth_k|lappy> ok, so go to http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[10:46] <LjL> DON'T copy it here MenZa` !
[10:46] <seth_k|lappy> paste in your sources.list
[10:46] <seth_k|lappy> yeah, don't paste it here
[10:46] <MenZa`> of course not 
[10:46] <LjL> MenZa`: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com
[10:46] <MenZa`> i was on pastebin :P
[10:46] <LjL> ok
[10:46] <_kay> The server throughs you out if you try
[10:47] <seth_k|lappy> not necessarily, but I would mute him
[10:47] <MenZa`> what was the sources.list dir again?
[10:47] <LjL> . /etc/apt
[10:47] <seth_k|lappy>  /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:48] <MenZa`> ffs
[10:48] <MenZa`> how do I copy :o
[10:48] <MenZa`> newly converted windoze user :P
[10:48] <LjL> ctrl+c, ctrl+v should work... or, just select and then press the middle mouse button to paste
[10:48] <LjL> (don't mix the two methods tho)
[10:49] <MenZa`> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/439034
[10:49] <MenZa`> hah
[10:49] <LjL> ah-uhm, why is there a "kde-i18n-da" on the first line of that? :o)
[10:49] <os2mac> if that does't work you can use ctrl+insert and shift+insert
[10:49] <MenZa`> I have no idea, LjL 
[10:49] <LjL> well, remove it
[10:49] <os2mac> last comment was for cut and paste.
[10:49] <MenZa`> rgr
[10:50] <MenZa`> that's all?
[10:50] <LjL> MenZa`: and while you're at it, remove the leading "# " from every line that contains the word "universe"
[10:50] <LjL> MenZa`: this will enable you more repositories
[10:51] <nalioth> MenZa`: and everywhere it says "universe" make it say "universe multiverse"
[10:51] <LjL> MenZa`: oh, but actually, you've already enabled universe through the "dk" mirror on the last line...
[10:52] <MenZa`> then save :P?
[10:52] <LjL> yeah
[10:53] <LjL> then "sudo apt-get update", then try again installing
[10:53] <_kay> Should I report bugs on bugzilla or is it already all launchpad?
[10:53] <MenZa`> Works :D
[10:53] <MenZa`> huh
[10:53] <nalioth> bugzilla is still the place
[10:53] <seth_k|lappy> _kay, bugs for main components go in Bugzilla
[10:53] <seth_k|lappy> bugs for universe go in Launchpad
[10:53] <xNIRVANAx> Hey everyone
[10:54] <MenZa`> Couldn't open /var/lib/apt/lists/lock
[10:54] <MenZa`> access denied.
[10:54] <xNIRVANAx> I have a problem with compiling from limewire source 
[10:54] <seth_k|lappy> MenZa`, close Adept
[10:54] <_kay> I have one for libnspr4, it cannot be installed on Dapper for a long time already
[10:54] <hunika> Some good educational program fro Linux Ljl?
[10:54] <_moss> whats the easiest way to get it
[10:54] <MenZa`> adept is closed
[10:54] <seth_k|lappy> did you sudo?
[10:54] <MenZa`> dang
[10:54] <seth_k|lappy> sudo apt-get install ...
[10:54] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[10:54] <LjL> hunika: "educational" is a wide term...! but there is the edubuntu-desktop which is specifically about educational packages
[10:55] <hunika> thanks
[10:55] <MenZa`> and the package names again?
[10:55] <seth_k|lappy> kde-i18n-da language-pack-kde-da-base
[10:55] <LjL> sudo apt-get install kde-i18n-da language-pack-kde-da-base
[10:55] <MenZa`> Yep
[10:55] <MenZa`> Downloading now :9
[10:55] <MenZa`> Thanks guys, I really appreciate it :D
[10:55] <seth_k|lappy> you're welcome! sorry it took so long
[10:56] <MenZa`> I've understood nothing of what I've been doing :)
[10:56] <seth_k|lappy> but now you're all set up to install things in the future
[10:56] <MenZa`> Yeh, sorry for taking your time :)
[10:56] <LjL> MenZa`: note that translations are often far from perfect
[10:56] <seth_k|lappy> that's what we're here for
[10:56] <MenZa`> LjL: Meh, I guess it's okay
[10:56] <MenZa`> I wish you could order Kubuntu with ShipIt
[10:56] <seth_k|lappy> use Adept in the future to install things... make sure you choose Adept Package Manager and not Adept Updater
[10:56] <MenZa`> I've got 16 Ubuntu CDs here :)
[10:56] <seth_k|lappy> MenZa`, supposedly Shipit will send Kubuntu CDs starting with 6.04
[10:57] <seth_k|lappy> b/c the Live CD will no longer be separate from the Install CD
[10:57] <MenZa`> I'll just log out and in again
[10:57] <MenZa`> to apply my language
[10:57] <MenZa`> brb
[10:58] <LjL> i don't care too much about shipped cds and dvds
[10:58] <LjL> downloading them's easier
[10:59] <xNIRVANAx> I want to compile LimeWire from source. When I try to compile limewire from source though, I can do the core no problem, but when I get a crapload of errors. The errors can be found here: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/439050
[10:59] <seth_k|lappy> now I can finally burn the Kubuntu DVD
[10:59] <seth_k|lappy> xNIRVANAx, you're using the crazy SableVM thing. It sucks for compiling
[10:59] <seth_k|lappy> you should grab real Sun Java and use that
[10:59] <xNIRVANAx> no, I have Java
[10:59] <xNIRVANAx> free-java-sdk
[10:59] <xNIRVANAx> v 1.4
[11:00] <seth_k|lappy> yeah, that's sableVM
[11:00] <LjL> seth_k|lappy: isn't it jikes the one doing the compile?
[11:00] <xNIRVANAx> ohh, where do I get the java sdk then?
[11:00] <LjL> !tell xNIRVANAx about java
[11:00] <LjL> !tell xNIRVANAx about javadebs
[11:00] <seth_k|lappy> It's pretty easy to build
[11:00] <nalioth> xNIRVANAx: why dont you want to use gtk-gnutella? there is no java aftertaste with it
[11:01] <xNIRVANAx> I want to learn to learn how to compile from source, I have LimeWire working already no problem...it's just a personal endevour that I want to learn...
[11:02] <nalioth> xNIRVANAx: learning how to compile from source is easier if you DONT start with java apps
[11:02] <nalioth> xNIRVANAx: just my opinion
[11:02] <hunika> how can I run windows applications?
[11:03] <apokryphos> compile a standard kde app, if you wanna learn
[11:03] <seth_k|lappy> hunika, use wine
[11:03] <menza> Voila
[11:03] <menza> It'
[11:03] <_kay> getting compilation right with java is too hard if you ask me
[11:03] <menza> It's working perfectly.
[11:03] <nalioth> xNIRVANAx: compiling console apps is usually the least problematic to start with
[11:03] <menza> :D
[11:03] <hunika> I have downloaded wine
[11:03] <seth_k|lappy> yay!
[11:03] <_moss> i downloaded a boot screen from kde-look.org but i cant get to install it
[11:03] <menza> And konversation > xchat 
[11:03] <menza> :P
[11:03] <hunika> but it is not working
[11:03] <seth_k|lappy> yes
[11:03] <seth_k|lappy> Xchat is great for Gnome
[11:03] <seth_k|lappy> but Konv is just yummy
[11:03] <_moss> i like Konversation
[11:03] <_moss> :P
[11:04] <seth_k|lappy> irssi for me, running on tty2
[11:04] <seth_k|lappy> when I'm not using Konv
[11:04] <xNIRVANAx> Is there any good download managers for Kubuntu?
[11:05] <xNIRVANAx> because 41MB is a lot to download, and my connection will surely F-up before it finishes?
[11:05] <xNIRVANAx> no question mark^^
[11:05] <menza> seth_k|lappy: not too happy with using terminal
[11:06] <_moss> whats the universe address
[11:06] <nalioth> xNIRVANAx: in a terminal you can use wget (use wget -c to resume)
[11:06] <_moss> i deleted it from adept
[11:07] <hunika> Help me LjL Wine is installing windows programs but I can not run them
[11:07] <xNIRVANAx> wget is installed by default?
[11:07] <_moss> yes
[11:07] <nalioth> xNIRVANAx: it is, yes
[11:07] <xNIRVANAx> nice
[11:08] <LjL> hunika: be more specific please. what happens when you try to run them?
[11:08] <hunika> Nothing
[11:08] <hunika> wine does not starts
[11:09] <LjL> hunika: ok, what are you doing to run them?
[11:09] <hunika> I don't understand the question! Sorry
[11:09] <hunika> I would like to run my macmillan dictionary
[11:10] <LjL> hunika: i mean, how are you trying to start your Windows programs? where are you clicking, or what are you typing?
[11:10] <hunika> I am clicking on the icon
[11:10] <hunika> on the exe file
[11:10] <LjL> hunika: the exe file of the setup program, you mean?
[11:10] <hunika> no
[11:11] <nalioth> hunika: you need to start your wine programs from the konsole
[11:11] <hunika> the program on my windows partition. When I had xandros contained cross over office
[11:11] <hunika> and I could run my windows programs 
[11:11] <LjL> nalioth: actually, i can start them just by clicking on an .exe, or by using the K menu, if they were installed using a setup program
[11:11] <hunika> so what shall i do?
[11:12] <nalioth> LjL: hm, again, i dont use wine (no intel machines around)
[11:12] <LjL> hunika: you should install your programs on linux, not run them from any windows partition whatsoever. that's bad, especially for your windows partition's health
[11:12] <hunika> I see
[11:12] <hunika> But how should I install something from a cd
[11:12] <hunika> like in windows?
[11:13] <LjL> hunika: yes
[11:13] <LjL> hunika: insert the CD, and run setup.exe or whatever the installer program is
[11:14] <hunika> but wine does not starts that exe file
[11:15] <neoncode> You know the "make checkinstall" command to use instead of "make install", is there an eqevilent jam command?
[11:15] <LjL> neoncode: what's jam?
[11:16] <LjL> hunika: please type "ps aux | grep wine" and tell me if it lists anything
[11:16] <neoncode> LjL: A make replacement, apparently
[11:16] <LjL> neoncode: well, checkinstall can be used with any command you like, not just make
[11:16] <nalioth> neoncode: no there is not
[11:17] <LjL> neoncode: "checkinstall" alone will try to run make install, but "checkinstall <command>" will run whatever you like it to
[11:17] <nalioth> LjL: checkinstall only works with "make install" and jam is a different build system
[11:17] <LjL> neoncode: whether jam will play fair with checkinstall is another matter
[11:17] <hunika> how shall I make Ljl that sign between ps aux and grep wine
[11:17] <neoncode> LjL: Well jam isen't playing fair anyway... I got a load of errors....
[11:17] <LjL> hunika: it depends on your keyboard layout
[11:17] <hunika> i will copy it
[11:18] <nalioth> neoncode: jam is NOT one of my favorite play toys
[11:18] <LjL> nalioth: that it *only* works with make install is not true... i can myself write a script that touches files around, and checkinstall will track it and create a relevant package
[11:19] <hunika> 886  0.0  0.3   3060   760 pts/3    S+   00:18   0:00 grep wine
[11:19] <neoncode> nalioth: I tryed building this program and the configure script said It uses Jam, i'm not gonna argue...
[11:19] <LjL> hunika: ok. look, try this
[11:19] <hunika> what?
[11:20] <LjL> hunika: go to http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/all , and click on the Windows version of Firefox
[11:20] <LjL> hunika: check whether wine can install that
[11:21] <hunika> I can install the windows version of dc++
[11:21] <LjL> hunika: and it works?
[11:22] <_menza> Is it just me, or does amaroK really look like limewire :D?
[11:22] <nalioth> neoncode: did you install jam?
[11:22] <hunika> yes
[11:22] <hunika> it works
[11:23] <LjL> neoncode: i don't know what you can do about checkinstall, but... if you type "strace -f -e file -o CallList <command>", you will get a CallList file logging every filesystem call that you <command> made
[11:23] <hunika> I am downloading now firefox as you said
[11:23] <LjL> neoncode: that way, you'll be able to reconstruct what files were installed on your system. not as easy as with checkinstall, but
[11:23] <LjL> hunika: no, don't download it
[11:23] <LjL> hunika: if dc++ works, there's no need to
[11:24] <LjL> hunika: i'm afraid you're just out of luck with that specific program. Wine runs a lot of Windows programs, but it can't run all of them
[11:24] <xNIRVANAx> where is the directory for the java 2 sdk 1.4?
[11:24] <neoncode> nalioth: Yes I have jam it's just spiting out a load of errors, i've given up now, i'll just get the precompiled binaries.
[11:24] <neoncode> LjL: Thanks...
[11:25] <_moss> http://mrmoss.equiphase.net/systeminfo <--- why is memory usage soo high?
[11:25] <hunika> I understand
[11:25] <xNIRVANAx> I have to use the command: export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java/ but I don't know where to point it to...
[11:25] <murr> is it possible to turn off computer straight from a KDE sessions when using GDM?
[11:25] <LjL> neoncode: note that checkinstall just runs the standard "make install" anyway, except for wrapping it into a library which intercepts filesystem calls
[11:26] <LjL> murr: "sudo halt" would do it, though i suspect there might be cleaner methods :)
[11:26] <murr> LjL: well, sudo poweroff would do it too, but...
[11:26] <neoncode> LjL: Thanks, i'll keep that in mind
[11:26] <murr> oh well. damn
[11:27] <LjL> neoncode: what's this program that you're trying to compile?
[11:27] <_kay> halt is clean
[11:27] <LjL> murr: why not use KDM? it's not that bad
[11:27] <_kay> it checks for kde
[11:27] <murr> LjL: XDMCP support is broken in it
[11:27] <LjL> murr: i won't argue with that :)
[11:28] <LjL> anyway, if _kay's right, it shouldn't be a problem to just run halt
[11:28] <neoncode> LjL: Was trying, i'm just gonna get the binarys now but it was some RTS game port called glade
[11:28] <neoncode> I think ubotu made a mistake....
[11:28] <neoncode> or somone did when writeing it i think...
[11:29] <LjL> which factoid?
[11:29] <murr> does halt turn off the computer automatically? or does it require pressing the power button?
[11:29] <LjL> murr: turns off, at least here
[11:29] <_kay> murr: if you have ACPI, it will
[11:29] <murr> ok
[11:30] <_kay> But i was lying about halt
[11:30] <_kay> It is the the power button that does
[11:30] <neoncode> LjL: Wine, it says the WineHQ address is www.winehq.org, but a google turns up www.winehq.com. and the .org address does not work.
[11:30] <_kay> When i press the power button, either KDE with shutdown the system when running, or halt is being used
[11:30] <_kay> I confused that
[11:31] <LjL> neoncode: fixed
[11:31] <xNIRVANAx> I have to use the command: export JAVA_HOME=/path/to/java/ but I don't know where to point it to... Where is the default Java 2 sdk 1.4 path?
[11:31] <LjL> _kay: i see
[11:31] <neoncode> LjL: Cool, can you edit the bot then?
[11:31] <LjL> murr: but then, what about pressing the power button?
[11:31] <LjL> neoncode: yes
[11:32] <vadcom> hello all
[11:32] <murr> LjL: well, maybe that could be ok
[11:32] <LjL> murr: *if* it works (and that's a big if! ;), it will definitely be ok
[11:33] <LjL> murr: if it doesn't work, well, at least you'll know it doesn't
[11:33] <murr> LjL: it still depends on the user of this computer whether it's ok or not ;)
[11:33] <LjL> murr: i'm saying "ok" from the point of view of a clean session shutdown
[11:33] <murr> LjL: yeah, i know :)
[11:34] <vadcom> i have problem: i don't can say my modem to switch sound off
[11:34] <LjL> murr: anyway, i think pressing the power button launches /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh . you could just run that script
[11:34] <vadcom> how do it?
[11:34] <_kay> This is what the power button does: dcop --all-sessions --all-users ksmserver ksmserver logout 0 2 0 && exit 0
[11:35] <_kay> I think originally the question if there is a safe command, that will do
[11:35] <_kay> It logs out everybody
[11:35] <murr> ok
[11:35] <LjL> _kay: and shutdowns, too, i would hope
[11:35] <lila> No subnet declaration for start (0.0.0.0).
[11:35] <lila> Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the
[11:35] <lila> network segment to which interface start is attached.
[11:35] <lila> exiting
[11:36] <vadcom> im read man for pppd but didn't find nothing about
[11:36] <lila> please can you help me i cant run dhcpd servr it gives me NO subnet declaration  (0.0.0.0)
[11:36] <murr> well, i'll try the power button then
[11:36] <murr> thank you
[11:36] <_kay> LjL: look into /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh
[11:36] <Knowerrors> anybody here use the ubuntu updater on kubuntu?
[11:36] <LjL> _kay: uh, i just did, why would i have pointed murr to it otherwise? ;)
[11:37] <_kay> Ah :)
[11:37] <_kay> I had searched for it myself now :p
[11:37] <murr> heh
[11:37] <vadcom> somebody help me, please
[11:37] <_kay> This is what I had in mind, when I said halt does respect things
[11:37] <LjL> _kay: actually, i don't have the original file, as i modified it while trying to make hibernation work... but, if i recall correctly, it doesn't contain an instruction to explicitely power off
[11:37] <LjL> _kay: or, rather, it contains one, but it's inside an "if" that's only execute if kde is NOT running
[11:38] <_kay> Yes, but you know KDE can initiate a powerdown from KDM
[11:38] <LjL> _kay: no, actually i don't, that's why i asked :)
[11:39] <LjL> but murr is running GDM anyway, not KDM, which would take us back to the original question! :D
[11:39] <_kay> Ah.... press alt, ctrl delete
[11:39] <_kay> gdm with Kubuntu?
[11:39] <LjL> won't work in X
[11:39] <hunika> Good night gus
[11:39] <hunika> guys
[11:39] <_kay> That's some freaky freedesktop thing possibly though
[11:39] <LjL> _kay: says KDM doesn't support XDMCP, whatever that is ;)
[11:39] <hunika> and girls
[11:40] <LjL> many people use GDM with KDE actually
[11:40] <murr> LjL: it does, but it's broken
[11:40] <_kay> LjL: Now that is something different, and btw, I have used it, so it does :p
[11:40] <xNIRVANAx> Alright, I got LimeWire compiled, both core and gui, now does anyone know where I can find a guide on how to do the rest, because the limewire.org website is down
[11:40] <murr> ...in KDE 3.4.3 - at least i couldn't get it to work, and many other people on the net have complained about the same issue
[11:41] <LjL> i know zilch about that
[11:42] <murr> LjL: XDMCP allows remote logins with X
[11:42] <_kay> well, read man kdm
[11:42] <_kay> i think it's disabled by default on Debian systems
[11:42] <Japsu> XDMCP is REALLY tricky to secure :/
[11:42] <Japsu> I mean, secure as in cryptographically secure
[11:42] <_kay> And you need to to 2 things to get it activated again
[11:43] <Japsu> easy SSH port forwarding won't do :/
[11:43] <murr> _kay: so have you got it to work with KDE 3.4.3?
[11:43] <neoncode> Hey is there any kind of WINE configuration program?
[11:43] <Japsu> neoncode: winecfg
[11:43] <_kay> murr: yes
[11:43] <LjL> neoncode: winetools, too
[11:43] <LjL> neoncode: crashes here, tho
[11:44] <neoncode> Japsu: I carn't find it on the reposotories, or winetools, where can I get it from?
[11:44] <Japsu> neoncode: winecfg is supposed to come with wine
[11:44] <Japsu> at least my wine cvs has winecfg
[11:44] <neoncode> Japsu: Ahh, so it does...
[11:44] <murr> _kay: hmm.. 
[11:44] <Japsu> :)
[11:45] <LjL> neoncode: for winetools, you'd have to add the WineHQ repository
[11:45] <murr> _kay: the remote connection just keeps restarting when i'm trying to connect to it
[11:45] <_kay> murr: restart.... how you define that
[11:45] <_kay> ?
[11:45] <neoncode> I have no idea what any of this means so it i tecnaly harmfull to just put in what I think looks right? or can I crash kubuntu doing that?
[11:46] <neoncode> And my spelling and typeing is crap
[11:46] <LjL> neoncode: eh?
[11:46] <LjL> yeah ;)
[11:46] <LjL> neoncode: what are you asking about harmfulness?
[11:47] <neoncode> LjL: If I put the wrong things into winecfg and run wine do I risk crashing ubuntu or just wine?
[11:48] <murr> _kay: well, that happened with Cygwin/X anyway
[11:48] <LjL> neoncode: ubuntu should never crash by just running a program (such as wine) in unpriviledged mode
[11:48] <LjL> neoncode: if it does crash, then there's a bug in ubuntu
[11:48] <_kay> murr: You are confusing me, so do you see a chooser?
[11:48] <Japsu> yeah, this ain't windows :)
[11:48] <murr> _kay: in syslog it says "localhost kdm[10775] : Unknown session exit code 0 (sig 11) from manager process" over and over again
[11:48] <neoncode> LjL: Good
[11:48] <neoncode> Japsu: lol
[11:49] <Acidic32> how do i install a windows program
[11:49] <_kay> 11 is bad indeed, so you set DISPLAY in your .bashrc or something?
[11:49] <murr> _kay: if a chooser is used, it tries to connect, but it fails and the chooser pops up again
[11:49] <Acidic32> in Ubuntu using wine?
[11:49] <Japsu> it might strike windows people as a shocking new idea but in linux it's generally considered a bug if an unprivileged user can crash the whole system
[11:49] <LjL> Acidic32: just click on the exe
[11:49] <Acidic32> ok
[11:49] <_kay> I had similar problem, login just failed, when i had that convinience
[11:49] <LjL> Japsu: well, it's considered a bug in windows as well
[11:49] <murr> _kay: hmm.. i haven't edited .bashrc
[11:49] <neoncode> Japsu: I know, I had windows... unfortunatly
[11:50] <_kay> of course, remote sessions then get to fail on access to the display
[11:50] <_kay> .profile and /etc/environment... 
[11:50] <neoncode> Hey are their 2 seprate conversasions about wine going on here? confuseing...
[11:50] <Japsu> yeah well I mean with full compiler access... I mean, you shouldn't be able to write a program that can crash the system from unprivileged mode
[11:50] <murr> _kay: err.. gdm doesn't require that(?)
[11:50] <_kay> Other that that, can you look into .xsession* for the user
[11:50] <hunika> I am back again!
[11:51] <_kay> Well, so use gdm :)
[11:51] <hunika> :D :D :D :D
[11:51] <hunika> Do you know some english english vocabulary for kubuntu?
[11:51] <LjL> Japsu: that's perfectly valid for windows as well
[11:51] <murr> _kay: i'm not even able to get the login screen so i don't think it has anything to do with the users and their configurations
[11:51] <Japsu> LjL: yay, so they've grown up at m$ as well \o/
[11:51] <LjL> Japsu: with or wihout compiler access, you shouldn't be able to crash the system as an unprivved user
[11:51] <LjL> Japsu: Windows NT has always been like that
[11:52] <Japsu> hmm, I must be tired, I'm slipping dangerously close to trolling here
[11:52] <_kay> murr: That's why I asked about the chooser
[11:52] <LjL> Japsu: of course, exploits *have* been found to actually let an unpriviledged user break the system... but then, such exploit have existed for linux as well
[11:52] <Japsu> of course
[11:52] <Japsu> and they've been promptly patched
[11:53] <LjL> Japsu: yeah, in windows perhaps they've been patched a bit less promptly... but the concept is still the same
[11:53] <neoncode> Winecfg does not save the settings set when I click "ok". does it have to be run in superuser mode?
[11:53] <LjL> neoncode: shouldn't have to
[11:53] <neoncode> I thought the settings were in /home/<me>/.wine/
[11:53] <murr> _kay: there are actually 2 machines here on the local network that accept remote connections. i get a chooser (not the chooser you were talking about?) which displays a list of all (the two) available machines. but when i choose this machine from the list and try to connect, it fails and that message i pasted is added to syslog every time
[11:54] <neoncode> or are they somewhere in /etc/?
[11:54] <Japsu> neoncode: ~/.wine
[11:54] <Japsu> neoncode: so no, you won't need superuser access
[11:54] <DarknessX> hi -- I need to get the kernel source (2.6.12-9-386) onto a computer with no internet.  Can anybody tell me where I can download the .deb file?  I'll be able to install it with dpkg once I get it onto the computer, right?
[11:54] <Knowerrors> Anyone here try or heard of SimpleKDE (www.simplekde.org) , Im about to compile and install it
[11:55] <neoncode> Japsu: Mabey I should just delete ~/.wine and let the config program remake that folder...
[11:55] <Japsu> neoncode: err well that's quite a drastic move to make... it could fix all sorts of nasty problems but usually it's overkill
[11:55] <Japsu> neoncode: but if you don't have anything important there, sure, why not
[11:56] <Japsu> neoncode: important as in installed windows programs or their files
[11:56] <neoncode> Japsu: Well I just did "mv .wine .wine-backup"
[11:56] <Japsu> yeah
[11:56] <Japsu> there was a time when I had lots of folders like ".kde.old", ".kde.bak" and even ".kde.FMH" in my home directory :P
[11:57] <neoncode> Is it me or in windows whenever a config program carn't find a config file it spits out a tone of errors and in linux it simply makes a new one?
[11:57] <LjL> not necessarily
[11:57] <LjL> many programs bail out if they find no conf file
[11:58] <Japsu> it depends heavily on the programs
[11:58] <neoncode> and yay it saved this time!
[11:58] <Japsu> both in windows and linux
[11:58] <neoncode> Japsu: Probobly just my expericance...
[11:58] <_kay> kde has /etc/kde
[11:58] <neoncode> damn my spelling...
[11:58] <Japsu> tho I'm under the expression that most windows programs do rely on their installers to make the necessary registry keys
[11:58] <_kay> remove that and have it work
[11:59] <neoncode> right, now I need to fish out a .exe to test...
[11:59] <DarknessX> can anybody point me towards a kubuntu package repository?  I need to get a kernel-source package
[11:59] <LjL> neoncode: firefox works on wine, you can try that
[11:59] <Japsu> neoncode: .wine/drive_c/windows/notepad.exe
[11:59] <Japsu> :)
[11:59] <LjL> !tell DarknessX about repos
[11:59] <DarknessX> grazi
[12:00] <LjL> uh... guys, *do look* at Windows... this is from the Firefox installer, i pressed "Esc" by mistake i suppose
[12:00] <LjL> "Do you really want to cancel?" Yes, No, Cancel
[12:00] <LjL> ...
[12:00] <neoncode> LjL: I have an absoloute tone of .exe files from my year and a half of windows. I kept everything I downloaded
[12:01] <neoncode> when I switched it was pracicly "mv "My Documents" /home/<me>/", well it was more complex than that obviously but praticly
[12:01] <xNIRVANAx> Alright, I got LimeWire compiled, both core and gui, now does anyone know where I can find a guide on how to do the rest, because the limewire.org website is down
[12:03] <LjL> neoncode: i wouldn't doubt that but i was simply suggesting firefox because i know that one works in wine :)