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| mdke | dapper is well good | 12:26 |
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| Riddell | mdke: sorted that is | 12:35 |
| mdke | Riddell, hmm? | 12:38 |
| Riddell | just playing at being English :) | 12:38 |
| mdke | bah | 12:40 |
| mdke | hoots mon | 12:40 |
| mdke | dapper is nice tho | 12:40 |
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| floam | aptitude changed to apt but ubuntu-minimal still wants aptitude | 01:06 |
| floam | err | 01:06 |
| floam | that made no sense. for one reason or another apt wants to get rid of aptitude and ubuntu-minimal | 01:07 |
| Riddell | floam: #ubuntu | 01:07 |
| \sh | welcome to dapper | 01:07 |
| psusi | probably because of the broken library replacements that are in progress | 01:09 |
| psusi | the other day synaptic wanted to remove gnomemeeting and ubuntu-desktop | 01:09 |
| psusi | because gnomemeeting depended on the old version of libpt, but the libpt-plugins that I was trying to update needed the new version ( which removed the old one ) | 01:10 |
| mdke | that's life i guess | 01:11 |
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| psusi | so I just didn't bother updating the libpt-plugins | 01:12 |
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| mdke | Riddell, still awake? | 02:17 |
| Riddell | mdke: always | 02:17 |
| mdke | worrying... | 02:17 |
| mdke | Riddell, re: your latest email to -doc, which do _you_ think is the best way to do it? | 02:18 |
| Riddell | dunno, singe source, 2 binaries seems nice I guess | 02:18 |
| Riddell | but I'd rather not do the work :) | 02:18 |
| mdke | heh | 02:19 |
| mdke | Riddell, can we get dholbach to do it? | 02:19 |
| Riddell | mdke: if we ask nicely he may well do it | 02:19 |
| mdke | Riddell, i'll try it... but I've noticed that he is helpful even if not asked nicely | 02:20 |
| mdke | :) | 02:20 |
| Riddell | true, he's good that way | 02:20 |
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| mdke | Riddell, do you envisage any obvious difficulties? | 02:21 |
| Riddell | mdke: I can't think of any | 02:22 |
| mdke | sounds good to me | 02:22 |
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| psusi | darn it... what was the name of that package you can install to profile your bootup that's been all over the devel mailing list lately? | 02:38 |
| tseng | bootchart | 02:39 |
| psusi | bah... chart... I couldn't think of the word chart... | 02:39 |
| psusi | was trying every other boot* I could think of | 02:40 |
| wjb | psusi: i have got myself into the situation you described above, i.e. ubuntu-desktop - gnomemeeting - libpt | 02:54 |
| wjb | any suggestions on how to get out of it? | 02:54 |
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| psusi | bootchart shows how much IO and cpu is going on during boot up... is there a way to find out exactly what files are being accessed at a given time in the boot sequence? | 03:31 |
| psusi | there's a ton of IO that is being done and waited on that takes place after the hardware detection lull... might want to add those files to the readahead | 03:31 |
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| desrt | Kinnison; prod | 03:55 |
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| mojo | when I compile a plugin, I get an err msg | 04:45 |
| mojo | In file included from /usr/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h:39, | 04:45 |
| mojo | from draw.c:4403: | 04:45 |
| mojo | /usr/include/X11/Xmd.h:157: error: two or more data types in declaration specifiers | 04:45 |
| mojo | /usr/include/X11/Xmd.h:157: error: two or more data types in declaration specifiers | 04:45 |
| mojo | i check the header file and found out that the var has been declared as 2 different types | 04:45 |
| mojo | for some reasons, gcc4 does not compile this files | 04:45 |
| mojo | any1 has any idea? | 04:45 |
| psusi | that isn't allowed... the source is broken | 04:50 |
| psusi | you mean it has like: extern short foo; in one place, and extern long foo; in another? | 04:50 |
| psusi | did you apply some patches that had some hunks fail? | 04:51 |
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| mae | !!! | 05:28 |
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| infinity | neuralis : Thanks for that. | 05:42 |
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| mhz | re | 05:46 |
| mhz | re | 05:46 |
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| lamont-away | libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.la' | 06:37 |
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| lamont-away | infinity: ?? | 06:37 |
| lamont-away | dapper/universe libglibmm-2.4-1c2a - that one needs some promotion. | 06:39 |
| lamont-away | elmo: Kamion: mdz: ^^^ | 06:39 |
| infinity | lamont-away : That libtool error means you have some other .la file that's referencing the (probably obsolete) libdbus.la | 06:45 |
| infinity | lamont-away : A grep to find the offender, followed by a rebuild to fix the problem is all you can do. | 06:46 |
| lamont-away | infinity: that's what I thought... sorta | 06:46 |
| infinity | lamont-away : That .la isn't in breezy, so the bug is reasonably old and crusty. | 06:46 |
| infinity | I'd really like to just get rid of all the .la files on the system. | 06:48 |
| infinity | This, however, doesn't seem like a realistic dapper goal, so I'll either have to start subverting etch development to make it happen, or do it in dapper+1. | 06:48 |
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| YokoZar_ | Is anyone in the bay area by chance? I need my key signed. | 07:39 |
| YokoZar_ | Also, this page is now out of date: http://www.ubuntu.com/developers | 07:39 |
| desrt | YokoZar_; nobody in ubuntu really uses encryption..... | 07:39 |
| YokoZar_ | To upload packages, silly | 07:40 |
| crimsun | hmm. | 07:42 |
| crimsun | I'm driving out there with my sister next month, perhaps we can exchange | 07:42 |
| infinity | YokoZar_ : You could try looking for Debian Developers in the area, there are dozens. | 07:43 |
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| YokoZar_ | infinity: ahh, yes | 07:48 |
| infinity | YokoZar_ : https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php is a good start. | 07:49 |
| infinity | YokoZar_ : As well as http://bad.debian.net/ | 07:50 |
| YokoZar_ | bless you | 07:50 |
| infinity | And, while it's not a requirement (afaik), I'd highly recommend anyone wanting to get involved with MOTU also joining Debian NM. | 07:51 |
| YokoZar_ | NM? | 07:51 |
| infinity | New Maintainer procress. nm.debian.org | 07:52 |
| YokoZar_ | oh right | 07:52 |
| YokoZar_ | Now I remember | 07:52 |
| YokoZar_ | As I recall, that required getting a signed key as well | 07:52 |
| infinity | makes it much easier to communicate effectively with both parties and get fixes back and forth if you're associated with both groups and understand both. | 07:52 |
| infinity | Yes, indeed. :) | 07:52 |
| mhz | jdub: ping | 07:52 |
| mhz | mako: ping | 07:53 |
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| dholbach | hi | 10:10 |
| dholbach | is anybody here who could process libglibmm-2.4-1c2a from NEW and promote it? | 10:10 |
| crimsun | daniel, ping mdz or kamion about NEWing libglibmm-2.4-1c2a | 10:10 |
| dholbach | thanks daniel | 10:11 |
| dholbach | mdz,kamion: could one of you process libglibmm-2.4-1c2a and promote it, libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a would need the same afterwards | 10:12 |
| mdz | crimsun: libglibmm-2.4-1c2a | 2.8.2-0ubuntu1 | dapper | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc | 10:14 |
| mdz | dholbach: ^^ | 10:14 |
| dholbach | oh, sorry matt, then libgtkmm just needs to be given-back | 10:14 |
| dholbach | gtkmm2.4 rather | 10:14 |
| dholbach | nevermind | 10:14 |
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| pitti | Moin moin | 10:20 |
| dholbach | hi pitti | 10:20 |
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| dholbach | pitti: sivang wanted to talk to you, because you wanted to talk to him | 10:21 |
| pitti | oh, yes | 10:22 |
| ajmitch | hi | 10:26 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: hi andrew | 10:26 |
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| pitti | Hi ajmitch | 10:35 |
| pitti | ok, that's a really bad joke - WTF killed my server again? | 10:36 |
| pitti | The NOC does not reboot on weekends... | 10:36 |
| pef | elmo: hello, can you please sync libexif-gtk ? I've checked the sync doesn't lost Ubuntu changes | 10:43 |
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| Kamion | jbailey: yes, ubuntu-sounds is OK to add to DapperStandardsBase | 11:19 |
| sivang | pitti: pong | 11:32 |
| mdke | hey dholbach | 11:36 |
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| dholbach | hey mdke | 11:38 |
| dholbach | brb | 11:38 |
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| mdke | dholbach, couple of things | 11:42 |
| mdke | dholbach, yelp works on my dapper (firefox has been kept back) so if you wanna stick the package up, i'll test it | 11:42 |
| mdke | dholbach, also, I've thought of some other things to put in there | 11:42 |
| dholbach | mdke: put in there? like what? | 11:43 |
| mdke | dholbach, some database links for the desktopguide, html version of the serverguide, and so on | 11:44 |
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| dholbach | grrr | 11:45 |
| mdke | :) | 11:46 |
| dholbach | i accidentally middleclicked on the cpufreq-applet | 11:46 |
| dholbach | which you shouldnt do | 11:46 |
| mdke | turns all electricity in the house off? | 11:46 |
| dholbach | it eats your mouse cursor and stuff doesn't "just work" anymore | 11:46 |
| dholbach | we have a bug about it, but i was testing a11y stuff and it ... just happened :) | 11:47 |
| mdke | dholbach, also, I'm tempted to put in the new packaging guide | 11:47 |
| dholbach | oh, the one that unfrgiven worked on? | 11:47 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:47 |
| mdke | LaserJock has ported it to xml | 11:47 |
| dholbach | i said this to a couple of people already: | 11:47 |
| dholbach | you should talk to diziet and everybody else who worked on the developer-documentation spec :) | 11:48 |
| dholbach | or else we will have quite a couple of packaging guides to maintain :) | 11:48 |
| mdke | good point | 11:48 |
| mdke | i'll tell him | 11:48 |
| dholbach | i think he already looked at it | 11:48 |
| dholbach | at least they should be in sync :) | 11:49 |
| mdke | this is what LaserJock has done: http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/index.html | 11:49 |
| \sh | morning | 11:50 |
| Nafallo | morning \sh | 11:50 |
| \sh | infinity / lamont-away: can you kick conquest-8.1.1-5ubuntu1 because the status "Dep-Wait: libgl-dev" is not true at all..(not anymore with this upload) thx :) | 11:56 |
| dholbach | have a nice WE | 12:03 |
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| mdke | is is possible to put comments in a debian/install? | 12:10 |
| azeem | "You can also put comments in these files; lines beginning with "#" are ignored." debhelper(7) | 12:14 |
| mdke | thanks azeem | 12:15 |
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| mdke | azeem, white lines are ok too right? | 12:18 |
| azeem | I'm not sure | 12:18 |
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| ogra | Riddell, ping | 12:35 |
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| \sh | moins ogra..this is not your time dude :) what happend? snow wall in front of the house? | 12:38 |
| \sh | ;) | 12:38 |
| ogra | hehe, not really, only 15cm snow ... but a heavy storm .... | 12:38 |
| \sh | well...a storm was yesterday here..but snow I never saw here...but I have to get up and have a look.. | 12:39 |
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| crimsun | elmo: please sync mp3gain from Sid (ok to override Ubuntu changes), thanks | 12:42 |
| pef | for french people : http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.fr.html :/ | 12:43 |
| pef | opensources software may become illegal in France | 12:44 |
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| Kamion | mdke: you can only use comments in DH_COMPAT=5 | 01:14 |
| Kamion | likewise blank lines | 01:14 |
| mdke | Kamion, ah, -docs is 4 I believe | 01:15 |
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| mdke | Kamion, thanks | 01:17 |
| Kamion | np | 01:17 |
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| slomo_ | elmo: please sync sablevm from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped | 01:50 |
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| Riddell | ogra: hi | 01:55 |
| ogra | Riddell, i wanted to ask about kino merging ... seems you have it assigned again because of the k in front :) | 01:56 |
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| ogra | ok if i grab it ? i'd like to have it ready for flight 2 and you have other proirities i think | 01:57 |
| Riddell | ogra: yeah, grab away | 01:57 |
| ogra | fine :) | 01:57 |
| Riddell | ogra: are you likely to do ocaml-facile for kalzium? | 01:57 |
| ogra | hmm, i have no idea about caml at all ... give me a day to find time to look at it before i answer this :) | 01:58 |
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| Riddell | ogra: kindae why I was avoiding it :) | 02:06 |
| ogra | heh | 02:06 |
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| === \sh wonders why enlightenment is giving me troubles on amd64 and not on i386....grmpf | ||
| \sh | and only in packaging state | 02:19 |
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| \sh | dh_install -penlightenment --sourcedir=/build/buildd/enlightenment-0.16.7.2/debian/tmp/ | 02:24 |
| \sh | cp: cannot stat `/build/buildd/enlightenment-0.16.7.2/debian/tmp///usr/share/xsessions': No such file or directory | 02:24 |
| \sh | this is strange...it's in the package for i386... | 02:25 |
| \sh | same on ppc | 02:26 |
| \sh | I blame hmm..lets see...ogra | 02:26 |
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| \sh | Mithrandir: ping...could I have a dapper chroot as playground on ravel? thx...and no..not this weekend | 02:27 |
| StevenK | So, can I find out why support for GLw was dropped in Dapper? It makes inventor FTBFS, which makes testing the merge I'm doing impossible. | 02:35 |
| StevenK | (The package in question is libgl1-mesa-swrast.) | 02:35 |
| siretart | StevenK: what is GLw? | 02:36 |
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| StevenK | siretart: It has something to do with GL and Lesstif. | 02:37 |
| siretart | motif again :/ | 02:38 |
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| \sh | StevenK: there is a rational...please ask daniels.. | 02:41 |
| \sh | StevenK: but normally u should be able to drop GLw support | 02:41 |
| StevenK | \sh: That requires understand how this sodding thing builds and links. | 02:42 |
| StevenK | And no automake, so no ./configure love. | 02:43 |
| \sh | StevenK: I had one source, which had an switch to his configure tool..to disable GLw support | 02:43 |
| \sh | StevenK: hmmm... | 02:43 |
| Kinnison | desrt: pong | 02:43 |
| StevenK | I suspect it's going to take makefile hackage or worse. I'm forcing it to build, so I can see where it blows up. | 02:44 |
| \sh | StevenK: best thing you can do...if you need a second pair of eyes...I'm back on one hour or so... | 02:44 |
| \sh | s/on/in/ | 02:45 |
| StevenK | Heh, I'll probably look further tomorrow night, considering it's nearly 1am here. | 02:45 |
| \sh | StevenK: best part of the day to work :) | 02:45 |
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| \sh | StevenK: it 2pm here :) so I have to do some RL work now | 02:46 |
| \sh | as I said...be back in 1h or give me 1h30m | 02:47 |
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| ogra | hmm, no pcmcia love for me ... :/ | 03:24 |
| ogra | Kamion, is it expected behavior that cardmgr doesnt get started and no pcmcia modules get loaded ? | 03:31 |
| ogra | did anyone else lose his gnome-menu ? it shows up for 1/2 second and then the contents just disappear | 03:34 |
| slomo_ | ogra: try killing gam_server... sometimes it works after killing it ;) | 03:35 |
| ogra | slomo_, i just rebooted ... | 03:35 |
| slomo_ | hm | 03:35 |
| \sh | ogra: yes | 03:35 |
| \sh | ogra: same here | 03:35 |
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| ogra | ok | 03:36 |
| \sh | but in kde my panel is crashing too | 03:36 |
| \sh | (the old version not 3.5) | 03:37 |
| ogra | hmm, is gtkmm supposed to work already ? | 03:37 |
| ogra | err gtkmm2 | 03:37 |
| \sh | no | 03:37 |
| \sh | it's waiting for a give back | 03:37 |
| ogra | seems i cant get kino to show any contens of the app window ... | 03:38 |
| ogra | ah, ok | 03:38 |
| \sh | ogra: 2.4 you mean | 03:38 |
| \sh | gtkmm2.0 and 1.2 are already merged and installable in universe ,) | 03:38 |
| ogra | then this will have to wait ... since it occurs with the old version too i suspect it not kino itself | 03:38 |
| ogra | \sh, yes, 2.4 | 03:42 |
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| robotgeek | could anyone explain the 'will break gui tools' part at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo | 03:45 |
| ogra | robotgeek, wrong channel, thats a #ubuntu question (see topic) | 03:46 |
| robotgeek | i did enable it, just to find out. most of the tools i tried still worked with my user password | 03:46 |
| robotgeek | ogra: i spend most of my time there. i tht you guys might know better. sorry | 03:47 |
| robotgeek | ogra: lots of ppl were coming in after enabling their root accounts, i did not know exactly what damage it caused. just wanted to know more :) | 03:48 |
| siretart | robotgeek: even if, this is no support channel. If we would answer user questions here, then the development would have to move to another channel | 03:48 |
| siretart | robotgeek: so we don't answer any user questions here | 03:48 |
| robotgeek | siretart: okay, go it. | 03:49 |
| robotgeek | sorry | 03:49 |
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| Riddell | jbailey: ping | 04:01 |
| ogra | grimble ... xchat starts lynx for me instead of firefox | 04:02 |
| \sh | lol | 04:02 |
| \sh | hmmm... | 04:07 |
| \sh | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 04:07 |
| \sh | imlib11-dev: Depends: libpng12-dev but it is not going to be installed | 04:07 |
| \sh | another strange pbuilder vs. chroot mismatch | 04:07 |
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| \sh | grmpf | 04:20 |
| \sh | pbuilder login ; apt-get install imlib11-dev = success | 04:20 |
| \sh | pbuilder build package with imlib11-dev build-dep == no success. | 04:20 |
| slomo_ | \sh: try to install all b-d... maybe there's a conflict between them | 04:22 |
| \sh | yes...blind person sitting in front of the computer | 04:23 |
| \sh | i need new glasses really | 04:23 |
| \sh | slomo_: libpng2-dev was still in the b-d | 04:24 |
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| \sh | elmo: please sync footmatic-gui , elvis-tiny , emifreq-applet , grace from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok, thx | 04:37 |
| infinity | \sh : Cleared | 04:45 |
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| \sh | infinity: thx | 04:45 |
| \sh | infinity: btw....do u know why this happens on amd64 and ppc but not on i386? http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/e/enlightenment/1:0.16.7.2-1ubuntu1/enlightenment_1:0.16.7.2-1ubuntu1_20051126-1249-amd64-failed.gz | 04:46 |
| \sh | infinity: actually it's a question of blaming someone or daniels...;) | 04:47 |
| infinity | I'd blame enlightenment. | 04:49 |
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| \sh | infinity: what if I tell you, that /usr/share/xsessions/ is correct on i386? | 04:49 |
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| \sh | well..I'll wait for Mithrandir to setup a dapper chroot on ravel to test it | 04:50 |
| infinity | I say it's a fluke of "building at just the right time with just the right package versions" | 04:50 |
| infinity | grep the source for "xsessions" and tell me where that's supposed to be happening. | 04:51 |
| infinity | conquest built successfully, BTW. | 04:51 |
| \sh | infinity: thx.. | 04:52 |
| \sh | infinity: in debian/rules | 04:54 |
| \sh | #install .desktop file | 04:54 |
| \sh | install -D -m 0644 $(CURDIR)/debian/enlightenment.desktop $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop | 04:54 |
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| infinity | Right, so what creates debian/tmp/usr/share/xsessions/? | 04:55 |
| \sh | install -D ? | 04:55 |
| \sh | create all leading components of DEST except the last and then copy source to dest | 04:56 |
| infinity | Oh, right. I'm blind. | 04:56 |
| infinity | I missed the -D | 04:56 |
| \sh | but I wonder | 04:56 |
| \sh | binary-post-install/enlightenment-data | 04:56 |
| \sh | it's in this target...but it should be enlightenment package | 04:57 |
| \sh | from my point of view...well, it would not change the issue | 04:57 |
| infinity | Err, there's supposed to be a backslash in there, right? | 04:58 |
| \sh | where? | 04:59 |
| infinity | Maybe my IRC client uncleverly stripped that out to confuse me. | 04:59 |
| === infinity checks the source himself. | ||
| infinity | Oh, I see. It just line-wrapped at a spot where I thought it was two lines without a backslash. :) | 05:00 |
| \sh | a backslash shout be where? in [16:56] <\sh> binary-post-install/enlightenment-data:: ? no | 05:00 |
| infinity | Ignore me. | 05:00 |
| StevenK | Waaaaaahhh. | 05:01 |
| === StevenK curses SGI, inventor and GLw. | ||
| \sh | WAH | 05:01 |
| \sh | mumble...grumble | 05:01 |
| infinity | I don't have a dapper chroot on my PPC system? Wow, I'm a slacker. | 05:01 |
| \sh | i'll blame bddebian | 05:02 |
| StevenK | Disable the part of the build that requires GLw, and another part fails, since the first part builds a *.h* that the second part requires. | 05:02 |
| \sh | enlightenment.install:usr/share/xsessions | 05:02 |
| Riddell | infinity: any idea what's happened to kdepim? it was uploaded but hasn't appeared in the buildds | 05:02 |
| \sh | well...but xsessions/* is installed during binary-post-install | 05:02 |
| infinity | Oh, wait. | 05:03 |
| infinity | Duh. | 05:03 |
| siretart | StevenK: perhaps you should talk to daniels about this | 05:03 |
| \sh | x11/kdepim_4:3.5-rc2-0ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] | 05:03 |
| \sh | Dependencies: libreadline4-dev | 05:03 |
| infinity | \sh : Build with -B instead of -b | 05:03 |
| StevenK | Perhaps. But where is he? | 05:03 |
| \sh | because it's readline5 now? | 05:03 |
| infinity | \sh : That directory only gets created if you're building arch-indep. | 05:03 |
| Riddell | \sh: where do you see that? I just see x11/kdepim_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2: Installed by buildd+terranova | 05:03 |
| \sh | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/dapper.all.i386 | 05:04 |
| === StevenK should also start debugging his two xemacs problems. | ||
| Riddell | \sh: ah oops, I'm looking at breezy :) | 05:04 |
| Treenaks | StevenK: bug 1: it exists; bug 2: it's still actively maintained ;)) | 05:05 |
| === StevenK kicks Treenaks. | ||
| \sh | infinity: but why is it there on i386 and not on amd64/ppc? | 05:05 |
| infinity | \sh : Read what I wrote again. | 05:05 |
| StevenK | Treenaks: No, bug 1: I can only see two fonts, Clean and Fixed. | 05:05 |
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| StevenK | bug 2: It can't connect to any network services at all. | 05:05 |
| infinity | \sh : (hint, the i386 buildds build "arch: all" packages, the other buildds don't) | 05:05 |
| \sh | infinity: ignore me :) | 05:05 |
| infinity | \sh : Just include that directory in debian/enlightenment.dirs, and your problems will be solved. | 05:06 |
| siretart | infinity: did you get my email requesting an openhackware build on ppc instead on x86? | 05:06 |
| infinity | Err, no it won't. God, why do people use debian/tmp? | 05:07 |
| siretart | infinity: it is an arch: all package, which only builds on ppc :/ | 05:07 |
| \sh | infinity: why do people use cdbs | 05:07 |
| infinity | \sh : Create the directory explicitely in debian/tmp somewhere, I guess. Or fix the package to suck less. | 05:07 |
| lamont-away | \sh: note that the Lists are only updated every 20 minutes - they're not realtime | 05:07 |
| infinity | siretart : I vaguely recall something about that, yes. I'll have to build it by hand at some point, which sucks. | 05:08 |
| \sh | lamont-away: but I think the list is right thinking of kdepim :) | 05:08 |
| lamont-away | heh | 05:08 |
| \sh | infinity: it | 05:10 |
| \sh | 's in the wrong target...reading this stupid cdbs manual now for the NN time | 05:10 |
| lamont-away | \sh: and that's why I hate cdbs | 05:11 |
| lamont-away | :-) | 05:11 |
| infinity | That's the only reason? | 05:11 |
| StevenK | Heh | 05:11 |
| StevenK | There's nothing common about cdbs. | 05:11 |
| lamont-away | infinity: I like to be able to read my makefiles, thank you. | 05:11 |
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| \sh | infinity: first ... install/enlightenment-data:: is the right target for indep stuff | 05:11 |
| infinity | \sh : Well, I assume that if the .desktop file is meant to be in the englightenment package, you should s/enlightenment-data/enlightenment/ in debian/rules. | 05:12 |
| === StevenK watches inventor build for the nth time. | ||
| \sh | infinity: ah well..the enlightenment package itself is somehow going mad..I realise it now | 05:13 |
| StevenK | infinity: If you're still in .au, what the heck are you still doing up? | 05:13 |
| infinity | StevenK : just got home. | 05:13 |
| StevenK | Ew. | 05:13 |
| \sh | i'll fix it after a grabbed my clothes from my washing machine...and banging my head 100times against a wall...to not blame bddebian | 05:13 |
| infinity | Night out. Dinner, movie, coffee, etc. | 05:14 |
| \sh | brb | 05:14 |
| StevenK | Get home and work on Ubuntu. Seems ... logical. :-) | 05:14 |
| infinity | I just passed by IRC and got suckered in. Leaving again in about 30 seconds. :) | 05:14 |
| StevenK | I had 18 hours sleep, and so couldn't sleep. | 05:14 |
| StevenK | Yeah, I'll be buggering off as soon as this build fails again. | 05:15 |
| StevenK | Since it probably will. | 05:15 |
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| StevenK | Hah, there it goes. | 05:16 |
| === lamont-away prepares to upload aptitude | ||
| === infinity can hear mvo screaming in the distance. | ||
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 1 released | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Sat Nov 19 12:37:38 2005 | ||
| (ogra/#ubuntu-devel) seems to be there ... | 06:01 | |
| slomo_ | BenC: when can i expect a 2.6.15 for powerpc? ;) | 06:04 |
| BenC | slomo_: -4.6 should build everywhere | 06:05 |
| ogra | ogra@honk:~ $ apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.15 | 06:05 |
| ogra | linux-image-2.6.15-2-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.15 on AMD K8. | 06:05 |
| BenC | I have it running on my G4, but the ppc64 stuff has been causing some build problems (kernel-package related and toolchain related) | 06:05 |
| ogra | hmm, whom do i poke for that ... | 06:05 |
| slomo_ | BenC: thanks :) so let's wait for it to finish building... do you know if softmac is new enough to be used with the latest bcm43xx driver? | 06:06 |
| BenC | slmo: I appled the softmac patch, and bcm43xx is latest svn...is there anything I have to do, to get bcm43xx to use it? | 06:06 |
| mjg59 | BenC: The softmac stuff from softmac.sipsolutions.de? | 06:07 |
| mjg59 | .net, not .de | 06:07 |
| mjg59 | It seems to have been spun out to a separate project now | 06:08 |
| BenC | mjg59: no, the one from the bcm43xx ftp site | 06:08 |
| BenC | I'll check out that one | 06:08 |
| slomo_ | BenC: hm, in the changelog you've written something about rev 698 iirc for bcm43xx, we're currently at 732 and around 700 were some changes "stuff for latest softmac"... i could look for the actual revision if you want | 06:08 |
| BenC | well, it was the latest when -4.4 came out :) | 06:08 |
| BenC | I did see a log that said "latest softmac" or similar | 06:09 |
| slomo_ | ok, thanks :) should be new enough then | 06:09 |
| BenC | mjg59: ah, that one is a seperate stack...I like that, if only the modules that need it start actually using it | 06:10 |
| mjg59 | BenC: It's derived from the rtl8180 driver, so I'd hope they'll move that over at least | 06:11 |
| mjg59 | Then we just need the atheros and prism54 drivers moved over | 06:11 |
| BenC | looks like a weekend project I might do here soon then | 06:12 |
| Riddell | \sh: please wait on new cdbs before doing lots of kde uploads | 06:16 |
| \sh | Riddell: hmm..I had only one kde upload till now.. | 06:16 |
| Riddell | \sh: I know, just warning you :) | 06:16 |
| \sh | Riddell: roger :) | 06:17 |
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| \sh | Riddell: just working on some "g" stuff during merges now :) | 06:17 |
| ogra | hmmm, no pcmcia at all ... | 06:18 |
| ogra | cool, there is no unknown device in my device manager anymore, yay ... | 06:19 |
| slomo_ | BenC: *sigh* failed on powerpc :( | 06:22 |
| BenC | grrr | 06:22 |
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| BenC | well, that error will only affect ppc | 06:25 |
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| ogra | not even apple uses ppc anymore ... who cares :p | 06:27 |
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| slomo_ | ogra: i care :P and there are more ppc than the apple ones ;) | 06:30 |
| ogra | slomo_, just kidding ... | 06:30 |
| slomo_ | ogra: me too... i can live with .12 currently as there are other more important things broken currently which needs fixing ;) no need to break more with a new kernel | 06:31 |
| BenC | blasphemer, the kernel is goodness and never creates breakage | 06:37 |
| ogra | -3 works fine here .... | 06:38 |
| ogra | modulo pcmcia ... | 06:38 |
| slomo_ | BenC: most of the time, yes... but i fear the xfs/initramfs problem is still there and it maybe doesn't work with old initrd as noone tested it | 06:39 |
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| BenC | I should test that on one of my systems, but even still, that isn't a kernel bug, IMO :) | 06:48 |
| \sh | CDBS GEEKS NEEDED ! | 06:48 |
| ogra | \sh, just repackage with debhelper :P | 06:49 |
| \sh | ogra: nono...cdbs ftbfs on buildd but not in riddells pbuilder | 06:49 |
| ogra | who uses cdbs anyway ... | 06:50 |
| BenC | what's the error? | 06:50 |
| ogra | only the unimportant packages ... | 06:50 |
| Riddell | ogra: building the cdbs package with debhelper but not impress some people :) | 06:50 |
| ogra | heh | 06:50 |
| \sh | Riddell: what was it...recursive.sh ? | 06:51 |
| Riddell | BenC: FAIL: recursive.sh 1 of 8 tests failed | 06:51 |
| BenC | any log from recursive.sh? | 06:51 |
| Riddell | BenC: not in the buildlog | 06:52 |
| Riddell | http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/cdbs/0.4.30ubuntu4/cdbs_0.4.30ubuntu4_20051126-0411-i386-failed.gz | 06:52 |
| Riddell | PASS: autotools-5.sh | 06:53 |
| Riddell | rm: cannot remove `/build/buildd/cdbs-0.4.30ubuntu4/test/workdir/cdbs/debian/cdbs' | 06:53 |
| Riddell | FAIL: recursive.sh | 06:53 |
| Riddell | is that it? | 06:53 |
| === \sh is believing in the magic and power of our beloved buildd admins and they can fix it | ||
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| Riddell | \sh: I'd say it's more a package issue than a buildd issue | 06:58 |
| \sh | Riddell: if it's building in your pbuilder? | 06:58 |
| BenC | if it works on pbuilder and not buildd, then I'd say it is a buildd issue, maybe something int he environment | 06:58 |
| \sh | Riddell: tried with a chroot? | 06:58 |
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| Riddell | \sh: yes | 06:59 |
| \sh | Riddell: and worked? | 06:59 |
| Riddell | yes | 06:59 |
| \sh | so buildd issue i guess and bet | 07:00 |
| \sh | if not...I have to plan my next holiday somewhere near your place to pay some pitchers | 07:01 |
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| Kamion | ogra: install pcmciautils; cardmgr is obsolete and will not work with Linux >= 2.6.13-rc1 | 07:09 |
| ogra | Kamion, i have it installed | 07:09 |
| ogra | but i have to modprobe orinoco_cs and run cardmgr to have a working wlan card | 07:10 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: I've actually got 2.6.15 PCMCIA working with cardmgr | 07:10 |
| mjg59 | On amd64, though | 07:10 |
| ogra | here too | 07:10 |
| Kamion | ok, well, it won't work for much longer :) | 07:10 |
| ogra | hmm, but pcmciautils doesnt work either .... | 07:11 |
| ogra | lets wait for udev then ... | 07:11 |
| ogra | Keybuks changes might fix the module loading | 07:11 |
| Kamion | could be, but pcmciautils does work fine for me, so I'd like to investigate | 07:11 |
| Riddell | Kamion: are you able to promote imlib11-dev to main? | 07:11 |
| \sh | checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! | 07:13 |
| \sh | cool | 07:13 |
| Kamion | ogra: please set udev_log="debug" in /etc/udev/udev.conf, boot with that, and file a bug on pcmciautils attaching your /var/log/syslog | 07:13 |
| ogra | will do | 07:13 |
| Riddell | \sh: what's that for? sounds like it has an anchient admin/ directory | 07:13 |
| \sh | Riddell: creox | 07:14 |
| Kamion | Riddell: does something already depend/build-depend on it? | 07:14 |
| Riddell | Kamion: kdegraphics does | 07:14 |
| Riddell | build-dep | 07:14 |
| ogra | hmm, no BenC ... i wonder which orinoco driver i use here ... it sudenly seems to support scanning | 07:14 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: postdates the last cron.sync, I'm rerunning that now | 07:15 |
| Kamion | ogra: orinoco gained scanning support recently-ish | 07:15 |
| ogra | yay | 07:15 |
| Riddell | Kamion: also same for libakode-dev, I'm hoping that doesn't need a main inclusion report, it's a rename+separation from akode-dev which was in kdemultimedia | 07:15 |
| ogra | so i could finally use n-m | 07:15 |
| Kamion | Riddell: generally it takes up to a day before this stuff shows up on our automatic reports | 07:17 |
| Riddell | Kamion: that's why I'm asking you now :) | 07:17 |
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| Kamion | uh, ok, it *is* a Saturday | 07:18 |
| Kamion | I'm only here because the channel was lit up when I got back home | 07:18 |
| Riddell | I know, I know, but my KDE users are impatient | 07:18 |
| Kamion | anyway, all promoted | 07:19 |
| Riddell | great, thanks, go and enjoy your weekend | 07:19 |
| Kamion | thanks :) | 07:20 |
| Kamion | BenC: feel free to ditch rtc-modules-* from the kernel any time you feel like it; d-i no longer needs it | 07:21 |
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| Kamion | hmm. amarok-gstreamer depends on gstreamer0.8-mad. IIRC that's something we've been very deliberately avoiding for main | 07:23 |
| \sh | Kamion: i'll fix it | 07:24 |
| Kamion | thanks | 07:24 |
| \sh | I can move it to suggest? | 07:24 |
| Kamion | if that's appropriate for the package, sure | 07:24 |
| \sh | Kamion: ok..doing so...if not..the people will cry | 07:25 |
| \sh | but I can fix it first, if and when cdbs is fixed | 07:25 |
| \sh | Kamion: actually it's not in depends...the substvars tells me it's in suggests | 07:27 |
| \sh | gstreamer:Suggests=gstreamer0.8-plugins, gstreamer0.8-mad | 07:28 |
| Riddell | \sh, Kamion I've fixed that | 07:28 |
| \sh | k | 07:28 |
| Kamion | Package: amarok-gstreamer | 07:28 |
| Kamion | Version: 2:1.3.6-1ubuntu1 | 07:28 |
| Kamion | Depends: amarok (= 2:1.3.6-1ubuntu1), gstreamer0.8-oss | gstreamer0.8-audiosink, gstreamer0.8-misc, gstreamer0.8-mad, gstreamer0.8-vorbis, kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgstreamer0.8-0 (>= 0.8.11), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libxml2 (>= 2.6.22), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) | 07:28 |
| Riddell | it's waiting on kdemultimedia, which is waiting on akode, which kamion just promoted | 07:28 |
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| Kamion | ah, the newest version hasn't built, ok, no problem | 07:28 |
| \sh | hmmm..riddell we should remove in debian/control the libvisual stuff | 07:30 |
| \sh | Riddell: in the description thatis | 07:30 |
| Riddell | \sh: and look into adding libgpod | 07:30 |
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| \sh | Riddell: k...well waiting for cdbs :) | 07:31 |
| Riddell | \sh: I added a section at the end of this about the .pot generation http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPackagingGuide | 07:33 |
| lamont-away | infinity: all the machines in the house run linux, either debian or ubuntu | 07:35 |
| lamont-away | mostly ubuntu | 07:35 |
| ogra | mjg59, feel free to comment on #20154 | 07:40 |
| mjg59 | ogra: Sounds like a pcmciautils or udev problem | 07:42 |
| mjg59 | The kernel is fine | 07:42 |
| ogra | yup | 07:42 |
| ogra | i thought you might want to attach your syslog too for Kamion to investigate .... | 07:42 |
| ogra | intrestingly no mention of pcmcia shows up in the syslog at all | 07:43 |
| Kamion | ogra: what's the PCI ID of your orinoco card? | 07:44 |
| Kamion | meh, though, udev_log="debug" doesn't actually seem all that helpful | 07:44 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Orinocos aren't PCI | 07:45 |
| Kamion | oh, right, 16-bit PCMCIA? | 07:45 |
| ogra | yup | 07:45 |
| Kamion | duh, ok | 07:45 |
| Kamion | silly me | 07:45 |
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| ogra | i can give you the cardbus PCI id though if that helps anyhow | 07:46 |
| Kamion | I thought you said it wasn't cardbus | 07:47 |
| ogra | the controler is ... | 07:47 |
| ogra | +l | 07:47 |
| Kamion | that seems to be being loaded OK; there are log entries about yenta_socket | 07:47 |
| ogra | 0000:00:0b.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI7420 CardBus Controller | 07:47 |
| ogra | yep | 07:47 |
| ogra | i also see it with lsmod after boot | 07:48 |
| Kamion | is the pcmcia module loaded? | 07:48 |
| ogra | hmm, have to reboot to check... now it is | 07:48 |
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| Kamion | oh, he's gone. the orinoco card I have here works fine for me on Debian though | 07:54 |
| Kamion | although I had to kick the interface a bit to make it come up | 07:54 |
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| ogra | Kamion, pcmcia_core is loaded, pcmcia isnt | 07:56 |
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| \sh | oh man..I never buy a wifi router again | 07:57 |
| Treenaks | \sh: why? | 07:59 |
| BearPerson | excuse me... I'm building installer CD images for the linux distribution Source Mage, and I've been having some trouble with the ppc ISOs... | 07:59 |
| \sh | Treenaks: because I'm becoming a lazy person... | 08:00 |
| BearPerson | nalioth pointed me to this channel, saying you'll probably be having (or had) the same issues that I do | 08:00 |
| BearPerson | I'd be happy for any pointers | 08:00 |
| Treenaks | \sh: ... :) | 08:00 |
| BearPerson | right now, only some kernel versions work, of two kernels with pretty much the same configuration only one works, they work on one machine but not on another, ... | 08:00 |
| BearPerson | I'm currently using yaboot for bootup and the 2.6.12 kernel | 08:01 |
| \sh | Treenaks: really...I just slept away for a few minutes..with the portege in my hand... | 08:01 |
| Treenaks | \sh: LOL | 08:02 |
| \sh | that never happend when I was sitting at my desk | 08:02 |
| Treenaks | \sh: you woke up from the battery beep? :) | 08:03 |
| Treenaks | "LOW BATTERY! BEEP!* | 08:03 |
| \sh | Treenaks: no...my left hand was getting a bit hot.. | 08:03 |
| \sh | Treenaks: the portege heated up under my blanket | 08:04 |
| Treenaks | :) | 08:05 |
| \sh | hmm...where is xvfb-run hiding now, if not anymore in xvfb? | 08:10 |
| \sh | oh wow...checking xorg | 08:14 |
| \sh | 45mb of fun | 08:15 |
| \sh | lamont-away: ping..can u give me some advice? | 08:19 |
| Kamion | ogra: modprobe pcmcia; does it work now? | 08:22 |
| ogra | nope | 08:22 |
| ogra | tried that | 08:22 |
| ogra | no go without runningcardmgr | 08:22 |
| Kamion | my orinoco card's working fine here, for whatever that's worth | 08:22 |
| Kamion | with cardmgr stopped | 08:22 |
| ogra | let me try to kill cardmgr ... | 08:23 |
| Kamion | unplug/replug the card, check that 'pccardctl ident' shows the card | 08:23 |
| ogra | killing cardmgr seems not to affect it, since i'm still here | 08:23 |
| ogra | ok, replugging without cardmgr running ... | 08:24 |
| Kamion | no, it won't until you unplug/replug | 08:24 |
| ogra | brb | 08:24 |
| lamont-away | \sh: sup? | 08:24 |
| \sh | lamont-away: I'm missing xvfb-run from the xvfb package...I checked the xorg source it should be there but it's not | 08:25 |
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| ogra | ogra@honk:~ $ pccardctl ident | 08:26 |
| ogra | Socket 0: | 08:26 |
| ogra | no product info available | 08:26 |
| ogra | Socket 1: | 08:26 |
| ogra | no product info available | 08:26 |
| ogra | nothing | 08:26 |
| Kamion | pcmcia module loaded at the moment? | 08:27 |
| ogra | yes | 08:27 |
| ogra | i had to run cardmgr again to get it working | 08:27 |
| lamont-away | \sh: you sure it didn't get split out? | 08:28 |
| \sh | lamont-away: well..since i can't get apt-file functional...in breezy it was in xvfb. | 08:29 |
| \sh | and reading and grepping xorg debian/ dir it should be in xvfb | 08:30 |
| Kamion | dapper has xorg-server not xorg | 08:30 |
| \sh | apt-get source xserver-xorg? | 08:30 |
| \sh | or xorg-server? | 08:30 |
| Kamion | xorg-server. was not a typo | 08:31 |
| tseng | if you use the name of the binary apt-get source will get the right source anyway | 08:31 |
| \sh | grmpf | 08:31 |
| Kamion | looks like a bug in the new packaging, yes | 08:31 |
| \sh | (dapper_chroot)shermann@nc6000:~/packages/dapper/xserver-xorg/xorg-server-0.99.3/debian$ grep "xvfb-run" * | 08:31 |
| \sh | control: This package also contains a convenience script called xvfb-run which | 08:31 |
| \sh | this is the only occurance | 08:32 |
| \sh | jepp | 08:32 |
| \sh | it's missing | 08:32 |
| Kamion | ok, file a bug | 08:32 |
| \sh | I could fix it | 08:32 |
| Kamion | either the package's contents are wrong or the description is | 08:32 |
| \sh | no...xorg-server gives xvfb | 08:32 |
| \sh | but xvfb-run is not in the xfvb.install | 08:32 |
| \sh | I'll build first..and check | 08:33 |
| Kamion | please file a bug so that we can find out whether it was deliberate or, if not, whether it's part of a class of problems that daniels could fix along with it | 08:33 |
| \sh | ok | 08:33 |
| \sh | Kamion: against what product? UNKNOWN or xserver-org, because xorg-server is too new for bugzilla ;) | 08:37 |
| Kamion | \sh: xvfb | 08:37 |
| \sh | well..the difference between source and binary... | 08:38 |
| Kamion | \sh: use the binary unless you are the maintainer and know better | 08:38 |
| Kamion | it's always better to have more finely-categorised bugs | 08:38 |
| Kamion | and xserver-xorg would just be wrong | 08:38 |
| \sh | sure | 08:38 |
| Kamion | ogra: hmm, pccardctl pokes around in sysfs itself, so it can't be a udev problem if that doesn't work | 08:39 |
| \sh | elmo: please sync ganglia-monitor-core , gauche from unstable, dropping ubuntu patches ok, thx | 08:39 |
| Kamion | ogra: (although pccardctl gives you nothing useful for cardbus cards) | 08:39 |
| ogra | hmm | 08:40 |
| ogra | accortding to hal its /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:0b.0/0.0 | 08:40 |
| Kamion | ogra: when everything works, does lspci show your card? I'm beginning to think it must be cardbus after all | 08:40 |
| Kamion | ogra: that's the bridge, not the card | 08:41 |
| Kamion | Nov 26 19:27:54 localhost kernel: [ 45.401695] Yenta: CardBus bridge found at 0000:00:0b.0 [1025:006e] | 08:41 |
| ogra | lspci doesnt show anything new.... | 08:42 |
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| mjg59 | Kamion: There are no cardbus devices that use the orinoco driver | 08:43 |
| mjg59 | If orinoco_cs drives it, it has to be legacy PCMCIA | 08:43 |
| ogra | yes, i dont think its a cardbus card ... | 08:43 |
| Kamion | hmm. well I hate to disagree with mjg59 above, but I don't see how this is anything other than a kernel bug | 08:43 |
| Kamion | mjg59: ok | 08:43 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Well, with pcmcia-cs, an orinoco works fine with 2.6.15 | 08:43 |
| ogra | its a very old lucent silver ... one of the first sold wlan cards ever | 08:43 |
| Kamion | mjg59: pcmcia-cs doesn't rely on sysfs; pcmciautils does | 08:44 |
| Kamion | if the device isn't exposed in sysfs, then it won't work | 08:44 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Ah, I see | 08:44 |
| Kamion | and userspace isn't supposed to be responsible for most of this stuff any more - it's meant to have been moved into the kernel | 08:45 |
| Kamion | ogra: another idea; what does 'cardctl ident' say for this card? maybe the device->driver mapping in the kernel is missing | 08:45 |
| mjg59 | Where are PCMCIA devices supposed to be exposed in sysfs, then? | 08:45 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: PCMCIA doesn't have device->driver mapping | 08:45 |
| mjg59 | Not in-kernel, anyway | 08:45 |
| Kamion | mjg59: /sys/bus/pcmcia/devices/, and the socket in /sys/class/pcmcia_socket/ | 08:45 |
| ogra | Socket 0: | 08:45 |
| ogra | product info: "Lucent Technologies", "WaveLAN/IEEE", "Version 01.01", "" | 08:45 |
| ogra | manfid: 0x0156, 0x0002 | 08:45 |
| ogra | function: 6 (network) | 08:45 |
| ogra | cardctrl ident ^^^ | 08:45 |
| ogra | -r | 08:46 |
| Kamion | mjg59: does in >= 2.6.13 | 08:46 |
| Kamion | mjg59: see e.g. drivers/net/wireless/orinoco_cs.c, orinoco_cs_ids | 08:46 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Uhm. Ew. | 08:46 |
| Kamion | static struct pcmcia_device_id orinoco_cs_ids[] = { | 08:46 |
| Kamion | PCMCIA_DEVICE_MANF_CARD(0x0156, 0x0002), /* Lucent Orinoco and old Intersil */ | 08:46 |
| ogra | i have a 0.0 in /sys/bus/pcmcia/devices/ ... (but with the loaded driver and card indeed) | 08:46 |
| Kamion | ogra: does it work if you don't start cardmgr, but instead just modprobe orinoco_cs? | 08:47 |
| ogra | nope | 08:47 |
| ogra | tried that before | 08:47 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Ok, I have a /sys/bus/pcmcia/devices/0.0 that contains the product id and manufacturer id | 08:47 |
| Kamion | we do need to go through the kernel to make sure all our /etc/pcmcia/config.opts patches are reflected there, but after that we can just maintain it the same way as we do PCI | 08:48 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: Sorry, I'd been under the impression that the mapping was still going to be done in userspace. Oh well. | 08:48 |
| Kamion | but that doesn't seem to be ogra's problem | 08:48 |
| Kamion | mjg59: for one, I'm much happier with it in the kernel | 08:48 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, it's more consistent | 08:49 |
| Kamion | maybe with the sort of overrides by echoing stuff into /sys that we have for PCI/USB | 08:49 |
| mjg59 | We don't seem to have that at the moment, sadly | 08:49 |
| Kamion | ogra: anything interesting in syslog after you modprobe orinoco_cs? | 08:50 |
| ogra | wait a sec, its a bit hard to find between the Nov 26 20:24:10 localhost kernel: [ 820.997166] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost sync at byte 4 lines ... i get 10 per second from these sometimes ... | 08:51 |
| \sh | ok..xvfb-run is not in xorg-server | 08:53 |
| ogra | that might be it | 08:55 |
| ogra | Nov 26 19:54:14 localhost udevd[3231] : udevd.c: seq 1023 queued, devpath '/module/orinoco' | 08:55 |
| ogra | Nov 26 19:54:14 localhost udevd[3231] : udevd.c: seq 1023 forked, pid 9343, 0 seconds old | 08:55 |
| ogra | Nov 26 19:54:14 localhost kernel: [ 96.063021] orinoco 0.15rc3 (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au>, Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org>, et al) | 08:55 |
| ogra | Nov 26 19:54:14 localhost udevd[3231] : udevd.c: seq 1024 queued, devpath '/module/orinoco_cs' | 08:55 |
| ogra | Nov 26 19:54:14 localhost udevd[3231] : udevd.c: seq 1024 forked, pid 9345, 0 seconds old | 08:55 |
| ogra | Nov 26 19:54:14 localhost udevd[3231] : udevd.c: udevd event message received | 08:55 |
| ogra | Nov 26 19:54:14 localhost kernel: [ 96.065776] orinoco_cs 0.15rc3 (David Gibson <hermes@gibson.dropbear.id.au>, Pavel Roskin <proski@gnu.org>, et al) | 08:55 |
| Kamion | ogra: (sorry, when I say modprobe orinoco_cs, I assume you've already modprobed pcmcia) | 08:55 |
| ogra | Nov 26 19:54:14 localhost udevd[3231] : udevd.c: seq 1025 queued, devpath '/bus/pcmcia/drivers/orinoco_cs | 08:55 |
| ogra | i didnt | 08:55 |
| ogra | it gets pulled in by orinoco_cs | 08:55 |
| ogra | orinoco_cs depends orinoco, which in turn depends pcmcia | 08:56 |
| Kamion | good point | 08:56 |
| Kamion | that's depressing though, there are no error messages at all | 08:57 |
| ogra | nope | 08:57 |
| ogra | this card is evil ... it always was ... | 08:58 |
| ogra | but since its a lucent and one of the first it might be wide spread ... | 08:58 |
| Kamion | ogra: I've got a card with the exact same manfid (but different product info) and it works fine | 08:59 |
| Kamion | then again this is on 2.6.14 | 08:59 |
| ogra | without cardmgr ... | 09:00 |
| Kamion | indeed | 09:00 |
| Kamion | I'll test it on 2.6.15 once we have a working installer for it | 09:00 |
| ogra | i havent even used 2.6.14 | 09:00 |
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| Kamion | ogra: ok, I'm out of ideas for the moment. Last thing, if you could take tarball snapshots of /sys/bus/pcmcia/devices/ + /sys/class/pcmcia_socket/ both before and after starting cardmgr (thus before and after making the card work) and attach those to the bug, I'd appreciate it | 09:13 |
| ogra | yup, will do... | 09:13 |
| ogra | but i'm tired of rebooting for now :) | 09:13 |
| Kamion | I'm assuming you have newest pcmciautils; it's very weird that you don't get pcmcia automatically loaded | 09:13 |
| ogra | i have dist-upgraded at about 1pm today | 09:14 |
| ogra | so it should be all up to date | 09:14 |
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| Riddell | elmo: do you know what's happened to the akode packages? apparantly they've been accepted but are not in the archive | 09:18 |
| Kamion | akode | 2-rc1-1ubuntu2 | dapper | source | 09:19 |
| Kamion | akode | 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2 | dapper | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc | 09:19 |
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| Kamion | try making the version number later than the previous one ;-) | 09:19 |
| Kamion | you probably need a 5: epoch, ugh | 09:19 |
| ogra | *shudder* | 09:20 |
| Riddell | Kamion: hmm, right. thanks | 09:21 |
| mdz | Kamion: how did the source make it in? | 09:22 |
| mdz | mizar:[~] dpkg --compare-versions 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 lt 2-rc1-1ubuntu2 | 09:22 |
| mdz | zsh: exit 1 dpkg --compare-versions 4:3.4.3-0ubuntu1 lt 2-rc1-1ubuntu2 | 09:22 |
| \sh | ugly | 09:22 |
| Kamion | mdz: there was no akode source beforehand; it was built from kdemultimedia or something like that | 09:22 |
| mdz | ah, makes sense | 09:22 |
| \sh | Accepted akode 2-rc1-1ubuntu2 (source) | 09:23 |
| Riddell | but there is no akode binary package now, it's libakode2, so I'm a bit confused what's not matching | 09:24 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: well, the other binaries are available | 09:29 |
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| Kamion | not for amd64 or powerpc though; I'm presuming they haven't built | 09:29 |
| Kamion | what exactly are you looking for that isn't there? | 09:29 |
| Riddell | Kamion: I'm just looking to get this new akode into the archives, I'll add the epoch | 09:31 |
| Kamion | Riddell: if there's no akode binary, you're right, you don't need the epoch | 09:31 |
| Kamion | the new akode is in the archive. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/a/akode/ | 09:31 |
| Kamion | oh, source out of sync | 09:32 |
| Riddell | there is a new libakode2-mpeg package in the -0ubuntu2 upload | 09:33 |
| Kamion | hmm, ok, it somehow became NEW after ACCEPTing, which shouldn't happen | 09:33 |
| Kamion | and was then rejected | 09:34 |
| Kamion | I'll attempt to repair | 09:34 |
| Riddell | thanks | 09:34 |
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| Kamion | oh, er, ow, I must have promoted it to main while files were in accepted and it got terminally confused by the component changing | 09:37 |
| Kamion | elmo: err? | 09:37 |
| ogra | "Is it a stealth marketing exercise by the kubuntu team?" | 09:38 |
| ogra | *giggle* | 09:38 |
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| Kamion | Riddell: please wait until after the weekend, I'll have to talk with elmo; I don't feel confident to fix this | 09:42 |
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| Riddell | Kamion: ok, thanks for looking into it | 09:43 |
| Kamion | in the meantime some/all binaries for akode, libcommoncpp2, sysfsutils are stuck | 09:43 |
| ogra | hmm, ff1.5 doesnt respect *any* of my old ff1.0 settings ... :/ | 09:44 |
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| Chipzz | ff doesn't even show me the preferences menu | 09:48 |
| ogra | it does... but fontsettings are gone, had to set the startpage back to a blank one, it suddenly opens everything in tabs (i hate tabs) no biggie, since at least it kept my bookmarks and history ... | 09:50 |
| ogra | but there might come upgrade probs our way ... | 09:51 |
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| mae | so, how comes the drake | 10:08 |
| ogra | it sometimes limps a bit, but all in all very good | 10:09 |
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| Riddell | another buildd oddity | 10:18 |
| Riddell | kdeutils_4:3.5-rc2-0ubuntu2 Dep-Wait libsnmp5-dev but that package was changed to depend on libsnmp9-dev | 10:18 |
| \sh | Riddell: old upload | 10:23 |
| \sh | Riddell: new upload will go further after this state has to be cleared by buildd admin... | 10:24 |
| Riddell | how confusing | 10:30 |
| Riddell | so I should poke infinity? | 10:30 |
| siretart | if it is urgent, yes. | 10:31 |
| Riddell | and if it's not urgent? | 10:32 |
| siretart | afaik he and lamont are checking packages in dep-wait on a regular basis | 10:32 |
| siretart | and put them in 'needs-build' state | 10:32 |
| siretart | Riddell: see http://www.us.debian.org/devel/buildd/wanna-build.png | 10:32 |
| siretart | Riddell: and this for explanation: http://www.us.debian.org/devel/buildd/wanna-build-states | 10:32 |
| Kamion | Riddell: if it isn't urgent, let other people do their jobs in peace. :-) | 10:34 |
| \sh | hmmm...i wasn't productive today... | 10:36 |
| ogra | only 50 uploads ? | 10:36 |
| siretart | hrhr | 10:36 |
| \sh | 10 syncs and 15 uploads or so..not much | 10:37 |
| \sh | bah...more to come this evening | 10:37 |
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| \sh | moins daniels | 11:01 |
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| \sh | elmo: please sync ginac , glunarclock from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok, thx | 11:50 |
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