=== Fujitsu [n=tanarrif@c211-28-179-31.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:26] dapper is well good === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] mdke: sorted that is [12:38] Riddell, hmm? [12:38] just playing at being English :) [12:40] bah [12:40] hoots mon [12:40] dapper is nice tho === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] aptitude changed to apt but ubuntu-minimal still wants aptitude [01:06] err [01:07] that made no sense. for one reason or another apt wants to get rid of aptitude and ubuntu-minimal [01:07] floam: #ubuntu [01:07] <\sh> welcome to dapper [01:09] probably because of the broken library replacements that are in progress [01:09] the other day synaptic wanted to remove gnomemeeting and ubuntu-desktop [01:10] because gnomemeeting depended on the old version of libpt, but the libpt-plugins that I was trying to update needed the new version ( which removed the old one ) [01:11] that's life i guess === macfergus [n=shackan@85-18-14-13.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] so I just didn't bother updating the libpt-plugins === zakame [n=zak@210.213.72.49] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=penanshi@bb220-255-204-45.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] Riddell, still awake? [02:17] mdke: always [02:17] worrying... [02:18] Riddell, re: your latest email to -doc, which do _you_ think is the best way to do it? [02:18] dunno, singe source, 2 binaries seems nice I guess [02:18] but I'd rather not do the work :) [02:19] heh [02:19] Riddell, can we get dholbach to do it? [02:19] mdke: if we ask nicely he may well do it [02:20] Riddell, i'll try it... but I've noticed that he is helpful even if not asked nicely [02:20] :) [02:20] true, he's good that way === daniels [n=daniels@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:21] Riddell, do you envisage any obvious difficulties? [02:22] mdke: I can't think of any [02:22] sounds good to me === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] darn it... what was the name of that package you can install to profile your bootup that's been all over the devel mailing list lately? [02:39] bootchart [02:39] bah... chart... I couldn't think of the word chart... [02:40] was trying every other boot* I could think of [02:54] psusi: i have got myself into the situation you described above, i.e. ubuntu-desktop - gnomemeeting - libpt [02:54] any suggestions on how to get out of it? === mpt [n=mpt@ool-44c0bc13.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-204-45.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi [n=phreak@103.202.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:31] bootchart shows how much IO and cpu is going on during boot up... is there a way to find out exactly what files are being accessed at a given time in the boot sequence? [03:31] there's a ton of IO that is being done and waited on that takes place after the hardware detection lull... might want to add those files to the readahead === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:55] Kinnison; prod === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61016.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@ool-44c0bc13.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === psusi searches for a way to cram all the files that are accessed during boot to the start of the drive in order, so readahead-list can really fly === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@ool-44c0bc13.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mojo [n=mojo@60-240-158-149.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] when I compile a plugin, I get an err msg [04:45] In file included from /usr/include/X11/extensions/xf86vmode.h:39, [04:45] from draw.c:4403: [04:45] /usr/include/X11/Xmd.h:157: error: two or more data types in declaration specifiers [04:45] /usr/include/X11/Xmd.h:157: error: two or more data types in declaration specifiers [04:45] i check the header file and found out that the var has been declared as 2 different types [04:45] for some reasons, gcc4 does not compile this files [04:45] any1 has any idea? [04:50] that isn't allowed... the source is broken [04:50] you mean it has like: extern short foo; in one place, and extern long foo; in another? [04:51] did you apply some patches that had some hunks fail? === mhz_printing [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-38-37.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@ool-44c0bc13.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:28] !!! === Aegir` [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:42] neuralis : Thanks for that. === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-204-45.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:46] re [05:46] re === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k_ [n=seth@24-117-212-204.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:37] libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.la' === lamont-away tries to remember what that one was about... [06:37] infinity: ?? [06:39] dapper/universe libglibmm-2.4-1c2a - that one needs some promotion. [06:39] elmo: Kamion: mdz: ^^^ [06:45] lamont-away : That libtool error means you have some other .la file that's referencing the (probably obsolete) libdbus.la [06:46] lamont-away : A grep to find the offender, followed by a rebuild to fix the problem is all you can do. [06:46] infinity: that's what I thought... sorta [06:46] lamont-away : That .la isn't in breezy, so the bug is reasonably old and crusty. [06:48] I'd really like to just get rid of all the .la files on the system. [06:48] This, however, doesn't seem like a realistic dapper goal, so I'll either have to start subverting etch development to make it happen, or do it in dapper+1. === mpt [n=mpt@ool-44c0bc13.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont-away plays with libnotify === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D3041.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar_ [i=user@c-67-180-49-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:39] Is anyone in the bay area by chance? I need my key signed. [07:39] Also, this page is now out of date: http://www.ubuntu.com/developers [07:39] YokoZar_; nobody in ubuntu really uses encryption..... [07:40] To upload packages, silly [07:42] hmm. [07:42] I'm driving out there with my sister next month, perhaps we can exchange [07:43] YokoZar_ : You could try looking for Debian Developers in the area, there are dozens. === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62F14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:48] infinity: ahh, yes [07:49] YokoZar_ : https://nm.debian.org/gpg_offer.php is a good start. [07:50] YokoZar_ : As well as http://bad.debian.net/ [07:50] bless you [07:51] And, while it's not a requirement (afaik), I'd highly recommend anyone wanting to get involved with MOTU also joining Debian NM. [07:51] NM? [07:52] New Maintainer procress. nm.debian.org [07:52] oh right [07:52] Now I remember [07:52] As I recall, that required getting a signed key as well [07:52] makes it much easier to communicate effectively with both parties and get fixes back and forth if you're associated with both groups and understand both. [07:52] Yes, indeed. :) [07:52] jdub: ping [07:53] mako: ping === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ppp-70-247-52-142.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lfittl [n=lfittl@83-65-243-186.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar_ [i=user@c-67-180-49-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@c197043.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=CaiN@rrba-146-82-133.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] hi [10:10] is anybody here who could process libglibmm-2.4-1c2a from NEW and promote it? [10:10] daniel, ping mdz or kamion about NEWing libglibmm-2.4-1c2a [10:11] thanks daniel [10:12] mdz,kamion: could one of you process libglibmm-2.4-1c2a and promote it, libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a would need the same afterwards [10:14] crimsun: libglibmm-2.4-1c2a | 2.8.2-0ubuntu1 | dapper | amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc, sparc [10:14] dholbach: ^^ [10:14] oh, sorry matt, then libgtkmm just needs to be given-back [10:14] gtkmm2.4 rather [10:14] nevermind === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] Moin moin [10:20] hi pitti === viviersf [n=CaiN@rrba-146-76-46.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] pitti: sivang wanted to talk to you, because you wanted to talk to him [10:22] oh, yes [10:26] hi [10:26] ajmitch: hi andrew === chris38-home3 [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-26-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MagnusR [n=magru@85.194.14.142] has joined #ubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D0481.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] Hi ajmitch [10:36] ok, that's a really bad joke - WTF killed my server again? [10:36] The NOC does not reboot on weekends... [10:43] elmo: hello, can you please sync libexif-gtk ? I've checked the sync doesn't lost Ubuntu changes === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ealden [i=Martin@210.213.69.104] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] jbailey: yes, ubuntu-sounds is OK to add to DapperStandardsBase [11:32] pitti: pong [11:36] hey dholbach === carstenh [n=carstenh@p54A6276A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:38] hey mdke [11:38] brb === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] dholbach, couple of things [11:42] dholbach, yelp works on my dapper (firefox has been kept back) so if you wanna stick the package up, i'll test it [11:42] dholbach, also, I've thought of some other things to put in there [11:43] mdke: put in there? like what? [11:44] dholbach, some database links for the desktopguide, html version of the serverguide, and so on === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:45] grrr [11:46] :) [11:46] i accidentally middleclicked on the cpufreq-applet [11:46] which you shouldnt do [11:46] turns all electricity in the house off? [11:46] it eats your mouse cursor and stuff doesn't "just work" anymore [11:47] we have a bug about it, but i was testing a11y stuff and it ... just happened :) [11:47] dholbach, also, I'm tempted to put in the new packaging guide [11:47] oh, the one that unfrgiven worked on? [11:47] yeah [11:47] LaserJock has ported it to xml [11:47] i said this to a couple of people already: [11:48] you should talk to diziet and everybody else who worked on the developer-documentation spec :) [11:48] or else we will have quite a couple of packaging guides to maintain :) [11:48] good point [11:48] i'll tell him [11:48] i think he already looked at it [11:49] at least they should be in sync :) [11:49] this is what LaserJock has done: http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/index.html [11:50] <\sh> morning [11:50] morning \sh [11:56] <\sh> infinity / lamont-away: can you kick conquest-8.1.1-5ubuntu1 because the status "Dep-Wait: libgl-dev" is not true at all..(not anymore with this upload) thx :) [12:03] have a nice WE === dholbach is off === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-170-53.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] is is possible to put comments in a debian/install? [12:14] "You can also put comments in these files; lines beginning with "#" are ignored." debhelper(7) [12:15] thanks azeem === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487D883.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] azeem, white lines are ok too right? [12:18] I'm not sure === yosch [n=yosch@211.14.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sabdfl [n=mark@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === rraphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:35] Riddell, ping === rraphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] <\sh> moins ogra..this is not your time dude :) what happend? snow wall in front of the house? [12:38] <\sh> ;) [12:38] hehe, not really, only 15cm snow ... but a heavy storm .... [12:39] <\sh> well...a storm was yesterday here..but snow I never saw here...but I have to get up and have a look.. === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] elmo: please sync mp3gain from Sid (ok to override Ubuntu changes), thanks [12:43] for french people : http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.fr.html :/ [12:44] opensources software may become illegal in France === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sevrin [n=sevrin@202.75.186.154] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] mdke: you can only use comments in DH_COMPAT=5 [01:14] likewise blank lines [01:15] Kamion, ah, -docs is 4 I believe === mdke removes comments === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-066-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] Kamion, thanks [01:17] np === ompaul [n=ompaul@A-94-31.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HWolf [n=HiddenWo@136.229.dynamic.phpg.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil is now known as Valandil|work === zakame [n=zak@210.5.93.177] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryu [n=chris@p5487C90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] elmo: please sync sablevm from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped === dr88dr88 [n=gerrit@h174218.upc-h.chello.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:55] ogra: hi [01:56] Riddell, i wanted to ask about kino merging ... seems you have it assigned again because of the k in front :) === blueyed [n=daniel@pdpc/supporter/active/blueyed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] ok if i grab it ? i'd like to have it ready for flight 2 and you have other proirities i think [01:57] ogra: yeah, grab away [01:57] fine :) [01:57] ogra: are you likely to do ocaml-facile for kalzium? [01:58] hmm, i have no idea about caml at all ... give me a day to find time to look at it before i answer this :) === ryu [n=chris@p5487C90A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] ogra: kindae why I was avoiding it :) [02:06] heh === xTina [n=xTina@dslb-084-056-136-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra wonders why the human-clearlooks theme suddely has gradients everywhere .... that looks very ugly on my 16bit tft === \sh wonders why enlightenment is giving me troubles on amd64 and not on i386....grmpf [02:19] <\sh> and only in packaging state === rraphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] <\sh> dh_install -penlightenment --sourcedir=/build/buildd/enlightenment-0.16.7.2/debian/tmp/ [02:24] <\sh> cp: cannot stat `/build/buildd/enlightenment-0.16.7.2/debian/tmp///usr/share/xsessions': No such file or directory [02:25] <\sh> this is strange...it's in the package for i386... [02:26] <\sh> same on ppc [02:26] <\sh> I blame hmm..lets see...ogra === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:27] <\sh> Mithrandir: ping...could I have a dapper chroot as playground on ravel? thx...and no..not this weekend [02:35] So, can I find out why support for GLw was dropped in Dapper? It makes inventor FTBFS, which makes testing the merge I'm doing impossible. [02:35] (The package in question is libgl1-mesa-swrast.) [02:36] StevenK: what is GLw? === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487D883.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:37] siretart: It has something to do with GL and Lesstif. [02:38] motif again :/ === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] <\sh> StevenK: there is a rational...please ask daniels.. [02:41] <\sh> StevenK: but normally u should be able to drop GLw support [02:42] \sh: That requires understand how this sodding thing builds and links. [02:43] And no automake, so no ./configure love. [02:43] <\sh> StevenK: I had one source, which had an switch to his configure tool..to disable GLw support [02:43] <\sh> StevenK: hmmm... [02:43] desrt: pong [02:44] I suspect it's going to take makefile hackage or worse. I'm forcing it to build, so I can see where it blows up. [02:44] <\sh> StevenK: best thing you can do...if you need a second pair of eyes...I'm back on one hour or so... [02:45] <\sh> s/on/in/ [02:45] Heh, I'll probably look further tomorrow night, considering it's nearly 1am here. [02:45] <\sh> StevenK: best part of the day to work :) === StevenK blahs at \sh, and forces his eyes open again. :-) [02:46] <\sh> StevenK: it 2pm here :) so I have to do some RL work now [02:47] <\sh> as I said...be back in 1h or give me 1h30m === Danten [n=danten@h54n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === Dantis [n=danten@h54n12c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #Ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C18307.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@p5089F3E4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] hmm, no pcmcia love for me ... :/ [03:31] Kamion, is it expected behavior that cardmgr doesnt get started and no pcmcia modules get loaded ? [03:34] did anyone else lose his gnome-menu ? it shows up for 1/2 second and then the contents just disappear [03:35] ogra: try killing gam_server... sometimes it works after killing it ;) [03:35] slomo_, i just rebooted ... [03:35] hm [03:35] <\sh> ogra: yes [03:35] <\sh> ogra: same here === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:36] ok [03:36] <\sh> but in kde my panel is crashing too [03:37] <\sh> (the old version not 3.5) [03:37] hmm, is gtkmm supposed to work already ? [03:37] err gtkmm2 [03:37] <\sh> no [03:37] <\sh> it's waiting for a give back [03:38] seems i cant get kino to show any contens of the app window ... [03:38] ah, ok [03:38] <\sh> ogra: 2.4 you mean [03:38] <\sh> gtkmm2.0 and 1.2 are already merged and installable in universe ,) [03:38] then this will have to wait ... since it occurs with the old version too i suspect it not kino itself [03:42] \sh, yes, 2.4 === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-251-147-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:45] could anyone explain the 'will break gui tools' part at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo [03:46] robotgeek, wrong channel, thats a #ubuntu question (see topic) [03:46] i did enable it, just to find out. most of the tools i tried still worked with my user password [03:47] ogra: i spend most of my time there. i tht you guys might know better. sorry [03:48] ogra: lots of ppl were coming in after enabling their root accounts, i did not know exactly what damage it caused. just wanted to know more :) [03:48] robotgeek: even if, this is no support channel. If we would answer user questions here, then the development would have to move to another channel [03:48] robotgeek: so we don't answer any user questions here [03:49] siretart: okay, go it. [03:49] sorry === robotgeek [n=robotgee@ppp-70-251-147-92.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yosch [n=yosch@211.14.101-84.rev.gaoland.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Quitte"] === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-166-175.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:01] jbailey: ping [04:02] grimble ... xchat starts lynx for me instead of firefox [04:02] <\sh> lol [04:07] <\sh> hmmm... [04:07] <\sh> The following packages have unmet dependencies: [04:07] <\sh> imlib11-dev: Depends: libpng12-dev but it is not going to be installed [04:07] <\sh> another strange pbuilder vs. chroot mismatch === cassidy [n=cassidy@155-140.240.81.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:20] <\sh> grmpf [04:20] <\sh> pbuilder login ; apt-get install imlib11-dev = success [04:20] <\sh> pbuilder build package with imlib11-dev build-dep == no success. [04:22] \sh: try to install all b-d... maybe there's a conflict between them [04:23] <\sh> yes...blind person sitting in front of the computer [04:23] <\sh> i need new glasses really [04:24] <\sh> slomo_: libpng2-dev was still in the b-d === hunger [n=hunger@p54A619B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:37] <\sh> elmo: please sync footmatic-gui , elvis-tiny , emifreq-applet , grace from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok, thx [04:45] \sh : Cleared === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d4-84.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] <\sh> infinity: thx [04:46] <\sh> infinity: btw....do u know why this happens on amd64 and ppc but not on i386? http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/e/enlightenment/1:0.16.7.2-1ubuntu1/enlightenment_1:0.16.7.2-1ubuntu1_20051126-1249-amd64-failed.gz [04:47] <\sh> infinity: actually it's a question of blaming someone or daniels...;) [04:49] I'd blame enlightenment. === mcfergus [i=shackan@host49-100.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] <\sh> infinity: what if I tell you, that /usr/share/xsessions/ is correct on i386? === mcfergus [i=shackan@host49-100.pool8259.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [04:50] <\sh> well..I'll wait for Mithrandir to setup a dapper chroot on ravel to test it [04:50] I say it's a fluke of "building at just the right time with just the right package versions" [04:51] grep the source for "xsessions" and tell me where that's supposed to be happening. [04:51] conquest built successfully, BTW. [04:52] <\sh> infinity: thx.. [04:54] <\sh> infinity: in debian/rules [04:54] <\sh> #install .desktop file [04:54] <\sh> install -D -m 0644 $(CURDIR)/debian/enlightenment.desktop $(CURDIR)/debian/tmp/usr/share/xsessions/enlightenment.desktop === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [04:55] Right, so what creates debian/tmp/usr/share/xsessions/? [04:55] <\sh> install -D ? [04:56] <\sh> create all leading components of DEST except the last and then copy source to dest [04:56] Oh, right. I'm blind. [04:56] I missed the -D [04:56] <\sh> but I wonder [04:56] <\sh> binary-post-install/enlightenment-data [04:57] <\sh> it's in this target...but it should be enlightenment package [04:57] <\sh> from my point of view...well, it would not change the issue [04:58] Err, there's supposed to be a backslash in there, right? [04:59] <\sh> where? [04:59] Maybe my IRC client uncleverly stripped that out to confuse me. === infinity checks the source himself. [05:00] Oh, I see. It just line-wrapped at a spot where I thought it was two lines without a backslash. :) [05:00] <\sh> a backslash shout be where? in [16:56] <\sh> binary-post-install/enlightenment-data:: ? no [05:00] Ignore me. [05:01] Waaaaaahhh. === StevenK curses SGI, inventor and GLw. [05:01] <\sh> WAH [05:01] <\sh> mumble...grumble [05:01] I don't have a dapper chroot on my PPC system? Wow, I'm a slacker. [05:02] <\sh> i'll blame bddebian [05:02] Disable the part of the build that requires GLw, and another part fails, since the first part builds a *.h* that the second part requires. [05:02] <\sh> enlightenment.install:usr/share/xsessions [05:02] infinity: any idea what's happened to kdepim? it was uploaded but hasn't appeared in the buildds [05:02] <\sh> well...but xsessions/* is installed during binary-post-install [05:03] Oh, wait. [05:03] Duh. [05:03] StevenK: perhaps you should talk to daniels about this [05:03] <\sh> x11/kdepim_4:3.5-rc2-0ubuntu1: Dep-Wait by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] [05:03] <\sh> Dependencies: libreadline4-dev [05:03] \sh : Build with -B instead of -b [05:03] Perhaps. But where is he? [05:03] <\sh> because it's readline5 now? [05:03] \sh : That directory only gets created if you're building arch-indep. [05:03] \sh: where do you see that? I just see x11/kdepim_4:3.4.3-0ubuntu2: Installed by buildd+terranova [05:04] <\sh> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/Lists/dapper.all.i386 === StevenK should also start debugging his two xemacs problems. [05:04] \sh: ah oops, I'm looking at breezy :) [05:05] StevenK: bug 1: it exists; bug 2: it's still actively maintained ;)) === StevenK kicks Treenaks. [05:05] <\sh> infinity: but why is it there on i386 and not on amd64/ppc? [05:05] \sh : Read what I wrote again. [05:05] Treenaks: No, bug 1: I can only see two fonts, Clean and Fixed. === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:05] bug 2: It can't connect to any network services at all. [05:05] \sh : (hint, the i386 buildds build "arch: all" packages, the other buildds don't) [05:05] <\sh> infinity: ignore me :) [05:06] \sh : Just include that directory in debian/enlightenment.dirs, and your problems will be solved. [05:06] infinity: did you get my email requesting an openhackware build on ppc instead on x86? [05:07] Err, no it won't. God, why do people use debian/tmp? [05:07] infinity: it is an arch: all package, which only builds on ppc :/ [05:07] <\sh> infinity: why do people use cdbs [05:07] \sh : Create the directory explicitely in debian/tmp somewhere, I guess. Or fix the package to suck less. [05:07] \sh: note that the Lists are only updated every 20 minutes - they're not realtime [05:08] siretart : I vaguely recall something about that, yes. I'll have to build it by hand at some point, which sucks. [05:08] <\sh> lamont-away: but I think the list is right thinking of kdepim :) [05:08] heh [05:10] <\sh> infinity: it [05:10] <\sh> 's in the wrong target...reading this stupid cdbs manual now for the NN time [05:11] \sh: and that's why I hate cdbs [05:11] :-) [05:11] That's the only reason? [05:11] Heh [05:11] There's nothing common about cdbs. [05:11] infinity: I like to be able to read my makefiles, thank you. === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:11] <\sh> infinity: first ... install/enlightenment-data:: is the right target for indep stuff [05:12] \sh : Well, I assume that if the .desktop file is meant to be in the englightenment package, you should s/enlightenment-data/enlightenment/ in debian/rules. === StevenK watches inventor build for the nth time. [05:13] <\sh> infinity: ah well..the enlightenment package itself is somehow going mad..I realise it now [05:13] infinity: If you're still in .au, what the heck are you still doing up? [05:13] StevenK : just got home. [05:13] Ew. [05:13] <\sh> i'll fix it after a grabbed my clothes from my washing machine...and banging my head 100times against a wall...to not blame bddebian [05:14] Night out. Dinner, movie, coffee, etc. [05:14] <\sh> brb [05:14] Get home and work on Ubuntu. Seems ... logical. :-) [05:14] I just passed by IRC and got suckered in. Leaving again in about 30 seconds. :) [05:14] I had 18 hours sleep, and so couldn't sleep. [05:15] Yeah, I'll be buggering off as soon as this build fails again. [05:15] Since it probably will. === herzi [n=herzi@c138037.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:16] Hah, there it goes. === lamont-away prepares to upload aptitude === infinity can hear mvo screaming in the distance. === ubuntulog [n=ubuntulo@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 1 released === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by Kamion at Sat Nov 19 12:37:38 2005 [06:01] (ogra/#ubuntu-devel) seems to be there ... [06:04] BenC: when can i expect a 2.6.15 for powerpc? ;) [06:05] slomo_: -4.6 should build everywhere [06:05] ogra@honk:~ $ apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.15 [06:05] linux-image-2.6.15-2-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.15 on AMD K8. [06:05] I have it running on my G4, but the ppc64 stuff has been causing some build problems (kernel-package related and toolchain related) [06:05] hmm, whom do i poke for that ... [06:06] BenC: thanks :) so let's wait for it to finish building... do you know if softmac is new enough to be used with the latest bcm43xx driver? [06:06] slmo: I appled the softmac patch, and bcm43xx is latest svn...is there anything I have to do, to get bcm43xx to use it? [06:07] BenC: The softmac stuff from softmac.sipsolutions.de? [06:07] .net, not .de [06:08] It seems to have been spun out to a separate project now [06:08] mjg59: no, the one from the bcm43xx ftp site [06:08] I'll check out that one [06:08] BenC: hm, in the changelog you've written something about rev 698 iirc for bcm43xx, we're currently at 732 and around 700 were some changes "stuff for latest softmac"... i could look for the actual revision if you want [06:08] well, it was the latest when -4.4 came out :) [06:09] I did see a log that said "latest softmac" or similar [06:09] ok, thanks :) should be new enough then [06:10] mjg59: ah, that one is a seperate stack...I like that, if only the modules that need it start actually using it [06:11] BenC: It's derived from the rtl8180 driver, so I'd hope they'll move that over at least [06:11] Then we just need the atheros and prism54 drivers moved over [06:12] looks like a weekend project I might do here soon then [06:16] \sh: please wait on new cdbs before doing lots of kde uploads [06:16] <\sh> Riddell: hmm..I had only one kde upload till now.. [06:16] \sh: I know, just warning you :) [06:17] <\sh> Riddell: roger :) === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:17] <\sh> Riddell: just working on some "g" stuff during merges now :) [06:18] hmmm, no pcmcia at all ... [06:19] cool, there is no unknown device in my device manager anymore, yay ... [06:22] BenC: *sigh* failed on powerpc :( [06:22] grrr === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-229-207-54.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:25] well, that error will only affect ppc === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@h221n2c1o1049.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:27] not even apple uses ppc anymore ... who cares :p === ozamosi [n=ozamosi@ubuntu/member/ozamosi] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [06:30] ogra: i care :P and there are more ppc than the apple ones ;) [06:30] slomo_, just kidding ... [06:31] ogra: me too... i can live with .12 currently as there are other more important things broken currently which needs fixing ;) no need to break more with a new kernel [06:37] blasphemer, the kernel is goodness and never creates breakage [06:38] -3 works fine here .... [06:38] modulo pcmcia ... [06:39] BenC: most of the time, yes... but i fear the xfs/initramfs problem is still there and it maybe doesn't work with old initrd as noone tested it === herzi [n=herzi@c138037.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsz [n=diego@59.Red-80-36-85.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ispiked [n=ispiked@unaffiliated/ispiked] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:48] I should test that on one of my systems, but even still, that isn't a kernel bug, IMO :) [06:48] <\sh> CDBS GEEKS NEEDED ! [06:49] \sh, just repackage with debhelper :P [06:49] <\sh> ogra: nono...cdbs ftbfs on buildd but not in riddells pbuilder [06:50] who uses cdbs anyway ... [06:50] what's the error? [06:50] only the unimportant packages ... [06:50] ogra: building the cdbs package with debhelper but not impress some people :) [06:50] heh [06:51] <\sh> Riddell: what was it...recursive.sh ? [06:51] BenC: FAIL: recursive.sh 1 of 8 tests failed [06:51] any log from recursive.sh? [06:52] BenC: not in the buildlog [06:52] http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/cdbs/0.4.30ubuntu4/cdbs_0.4.30ubuntu4_20051126-0411-i386-failed.gz [06:53] PASS: autotools-5.sh [06:53] rm: cannot remove `/build/buildd/cdbs-0.4.30ubuntu4/test/workdir/cdbs/debian/cdbs' [06:53] FAIL: recursive.sh [06:53] is that it? === \sh is believing in the magic and power of our beloved buildd admins and they can fix it === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-174-135.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cassidy [n=cassidy@137.163-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:58] \sh: I'd say it's more a package issue than a buildd issue [06:58] <\sh> Riddell: if it's building in your pbuilder? [06:58] if it works on pbuilder and not buildd, then I'd say it is a buildd issue, maybe something int he environment [06:58] <\sh> Riddell: tried with a chroot? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-233.net.novis.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:59] \sh: yes [06:59] <\sh> Riddell: and worked? [06:59] yes [07:00] <\sh> so buildd issue i guess and bet [07:01] <\sh> if not...I have to plan my next holiday somewhere near your place to pay some pitchers === mpt [n=mpt@ool-44c0bc13.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:09] ogra: install pcmciautils; cardmgr is obsolete and will not work with Linux >= 2.6.13-rc1 [07:09] Kamion, i have it installed [07:10] but i have to modprobe orinoco_cs and run cardmgr to have a working wlan card [07:10] Kamion: I've actually got 2.6.15 PCMCIA working with cardmgr [07:10] On amd64, though [07:10] here too [07:10] ok, well, it won't work for much longer :) [07:11] hmm, but pcmciautils doesnt work either .... [07:11] lets wait for udev then ... [07:11] Keybuks changes might fix the module loading [07:11] could be, but pcmciautils does work fine for me, so I'd like to investigate [07:11] Kamion: are you able to promote imlib11-dev to main? [07:13] <\sh> checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! [07:13] <\sh> cool [07:13] ogra: please set udev_log="debug" in /etc/udev/udev.conf, boot with that, and file a bug on pcmciautils attaching your /var/log/syslog [07:13] will do [07:13] \sh: what's that for? sounds like it has an anchient admin/ directory [07:14] <\sh> Riddell: creox [07:14] Riddell: does something already depend/build-depend on it? [07:14] Kamion: kdegraphics does [07:14] build-dep [07:14] hmm, no BenC ... i wonder which orinoco driver i use here ... it sudenly seems to support scanning === BenC [n=bcollins@richmond-209-163-125-167.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:15] Riddell: postdates the last cron.sync, I'm rerunning that now [07:15] ogra: orinoco gained scanning support recently-ish [07:15] yay [07:15] Kamion: also same for libakode-dev, I'm hoping that doesn't need a main inclusion report, it's a rename+separation from akode-dev which was in kdemultimedia [07:15] so i could finally use n-m [07:17] Riddell: generally it takes up to a day before this stuff shows up on our automatic reports [07:17] Kamion: that's why I'm asking you now :) === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-206-191-33-10.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:18] uh, ok, it *is* a Saturday [07:18] I'm only here because the channel was lit up when I got back home [07:18] I know, I know, but my KDE users are impatient [07:19] anyway, all promoted [07:19] great, thanks, go and enjoy your weekend [07:20] thanks :) [07:21] BenC: feel free to ditch rtc-modules-* from the kernel any time you feel like it; d-i no longer needs it === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487D883.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@ool-44c0bc13.dyn.optonline.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["http://mpt.net.nz/"] [07:23] hmm. amarok-gstreamer depends on gstreamer0.8-mad. IIRC that's something we've been very deliberately avoiding for main [07:24] <\sh> Kamion: i'll fix it [07:24] thanks [07:24] <\sh> I can move it to suggest? [07:24] if that's appropriate for the package, sure [07:25] <\sh> Kamion: ok..doing so...if not..the people will cry [07:25] <\sh> but I can fix it first, if and when cdbs is fixed [07:27] <\sh> Kamion: actually it's not in depends...the substvars tells me it's in suggests [07:28] <\sh> gstreamer:Suggests=gstreamer0.8-plugins, gstreamer0.8-mad [07:28] \sh, Kamion I've fixed that [07:28] <\sh> k [07:28] Package: amarok-gstreamer [07:28] Version: 2:1.3.6-1ubuntu1 [07:28] Depends: amarok (= 2:1.3.6-1ubuntu1), gstreamer0.8-oss | gstreamer0.8-audiosink, gstreamer0.8-misc, gstreamer0.8-mad, gstreamer0.8-vorbis, kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.2), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgstreamer0.8-0 (>= 0.8.11), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2-4), libxml2 (>= 2.6.22), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) [07:28] it's waiting on kdemultimedia, which is waiting on akode, which kamion just promoted === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] ah, the newest version hasn't built, ok, no problem [07:30] <\sh> hmmm..riddell we should remove in debian/control the libvisual stuff [07:30] <\sh> Riddell: in the description thatis [07:30] \sh: and look into adding libgpod === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:31] <\sh> Riddell: k...well waiting for cdbs :) [07:33] \sh: I added a section at the end of this about the .pot generation http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPackagingGuide [07:35] infinity: all the machines in the house run linux, either debian or ubuntu [07:35] mostly ubuntu [07:40] mjg59, feel free to comment on #20154 [07:42] ogra: Sounds like a pcmciautils or udev problem [07:42] The kernel is fine [07:42] yup [07:42] i thought you might want to attach your syslog too for Kamion to investigate .... [07:43] intrestingly no mention of pcmcia shows up in the syslog at all [07:44] ogra: what's the PCI ID of your orinoco card? [07:44] meh, though, udev_log="debug" doesn't actually seem all that helpful [07:45] Kamion: Orinocos aren't PCI [07:45] oh, right, 16-bit PCMCIA? [07:45] yup [07:45] duh, ok [07:45] silly me === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:46] i can give you the cardbus PCI id though if that helps anyhow [07:47] I thought you said it wasn't cardbus [07:47] the controler is ... [07:47] +l [07:47] that seems to be being loaded OK; there are log entries about yenta_socket [07:47] 0000:00:0b.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI7420 CardBus Controller [07:47] yep [07:48] i also see it with lsmod after boot [07:48] is the pcmcia module loaded? [07:48] hmm, have to reboot to check... now it is === cassidy [n=cassidy@137.163-200-80.adsl.skynet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BearPerson [i=karsten@sourcemage/wizard/pdpc.sustaining.BearPerson] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] oh, he's gone. the orinoco card I have here works fine for me on Debian though [07:54] although I had to kick the interface a bit to make it come up === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:56] Kamion, pcmcia_core is loaded, pcmcia isnt === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] <\sh> oh man..I never buy a wifi router again [07:59] \sh: why? [07:59] excuse me... I'm building installer CD images for the linux distribution Source Mage, and I've been having some trouble with the ppc ISOs... [08:00] <\sh> Treenaks: because I'm becoming a lazy person... [08:00] nalioth pointed me to this channel, saying you'll probably be having (or had) the same issues that I do [08:00] I'd be happy for any pointers [08:00] \sh: ... :) [08:00] right now, only some kernel versions work, of two kernels with pretty much the same configuration only one works, they work on one machine but not on another, ... [08:01] I'm currently using yaboot for bootup and the 2.6.12 kernel [08:01] <\sh> Treenaks: really...I just slept away for a few minutes..with the portege in my hand... [08:02] \sh: LOL [08:02] <\sh> that never happend when I was sitting at my desk [08:03] \sh: you woke up from the battery beep? :) [08:03] "LOW BATTERY! BEEP!* [08:03] <\sh> Treenaks: no...my left hand was getting a bit hot.. [08:04] <\sh> Treenaks: the portege heated up under my blanket [08:05] :) [08:10] <\sh> hmm...where is xvfb-run hiding now, if not anymore in xvfb? [08:14] <\sh> oh wow...checking xorg [08:15] <\sh> 45mb of fun [08:19] <\sh> lamont-away: ping..can u give me some advice? [08:22] ogra: modprobe pcmcia; does it work now? [08:22] nope [08:22] tried that [08:22] no go without runningcardmgr [08:22] my orinoco card's working fine here, for whatever that's worth [08:22] with cardmgr stopped [08:23] let me try to kill cardmgr ... [08:23] unplug/replug the card, check that 'pccardctl ident' shows the card [08:23] killing cardmgr seems not to affect it, since i'm still here [08:24] ok, replugging without cardmgr running ... [08:24] no, it won't until you unplug/replug [08:24]