| LaserJock | mdke: ok I got the inital reformating of the packaging done. How do you want it? I made enough changes that the diff is twice a big as the individual files | 12:38 |
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| mdke | lol | 12:38 |
| mdke | LaserJock, however you prefer | 12:38 |
| LaserJock | should I just email it to you or would it be better to send it to ubuntu-doc? | 12:38 |
| mdke | LaserJock, to me is fine, i'll stick it up tonight | 12:39 |
| LaserJock | k | 12:40 |
| LaserJock | I sent it to you. I hope it worked ok. It is my first time doing documentation or Docbook or xml. | 12:44 |
| mdke | LaserJock, I'll check it out when i reboot into breeeeeezy | 12:45 |
| LaserJock | mdke: np, take your time. I gotta get some more merges done for the MOTU ;-) | 12:46 |
| mdke | good stuff | 12:47 |
| mdke | LaserJock, is there anything new in gnome-blog? | 12:47 |
| mdke | merging that would be cool | 12:47 |
| mdke | if there is | 12:47 |
| LaserJock | mdke: doesn't look like it. Debian is 0.8-5 and that is what we have in Dapper | 12:51 |
| mdke | damn lazy maintainers | 12:51 |
| LaserJock | I've never used it but it looks like 0.9 has been out since march | 12:52 |
| mdke | LaserJock, nice work, looks great | 01:13 |
| LaserJock | thanks, it's a start anyway | 01:13 |
| mdke | yeah | 01:14 |
| mdke | just needs a bit of tidying up and a diagram | 01:14 |
| LaserJock | yeah, the diagram | 01:17 |
| LaserJock | I see it in the pdf | 01:17 |
| mdke | how does it look in html? | 01:18 |
| mdke | shall we stick it up on the preview server? | 01:19 |
| LaserJock | how does what look like in html? the packaging guide | 01:21 |
| mdke | yeah | 01:22 |
| LaserJock | I guess it looks fine | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | I just did a quick xsltproc on it and everything was there at leas ;-) | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | t | 01:25 |
| LaserJock | how does the css part work? | 01:26 |
| mdke | i'll have a look now | 01:27 |
| mdke | LaserJock, ok i've made you a make target to build the html from the generic directory | 01:32 |
| LaserJock | ok, I see that | 01:34 |
| LaserJock | cool | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | ok, I was able to make a .jpg of the missing diagram | 01:37 |
| LaserJock | but where is it supposed to go? | 01:38 |
| mdke | good question :) | 01:39 |
| LaserJock | looks like the install guide used generic/images/C/ | 01:41 |
| mdke | oh i see | 01:42 |
| mdke | yes, that is fine, or use generic/packagingguide/images/ | 01:42 |
| mdke | whatever you like | 01:42 |
| LaserJock | do I need to worry about the language? should I have generic/packagingguide/image/C/? | 01:44 |
| mdke | yeah you can do that | 01:44 |
| mdke | if there is a translation, they put it in, if not, it uses C | 01:44 |
| LaserJock | k | 01:45 |
| mdke | see the top of ubuntu/aboutubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml for how to insert a picture | 01:47 |
| mdke | awesome work man | 01:51 |
| LaserJock | does the makefile need to be modified to add the image? | 01:56 |
| LaserJock | it shows up in yelp but not sure about html | 01:56 |
| mdke | no that's fine | 02:00 |
| mdke | i'll tweak it if necessary | 02:00 |
| LaserJock | mdke: ok, I just sent you a diff and image | 02:09 |
| mdke | LaserJock, on it now | 02:11 |
| mdke | LaserJock, done, great work dude | 02:20 |
| LaserJock | sweet | 02:21 |
| mdke | LaserJock, http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/ | 02:26 |
| mdke | is that ok by you? | 02:26 |
| LaserJock | wow, cool | 02:28 |
| mdke | adding a link to the frontpage then | 02:29 |
| mdke | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ | 02:29 |
| LaserJock | ok, so now when I want to work on it from now on should I just email a patch to ubuntu-doc? | 02:29 |
| mdke | sure | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | ok, thanks so much for you help | 02:30 |
| mdke | LaserJock, do you think you'll be working on it fairly steadily? it will be worth getting commit access if so | 02:30 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I sure hope so, I am also working on the MOTU wiki so I am kinda turning into the MOTU documentation guy right now | 02:31 |
| mdke | LaserJock, in that case we can try and get you some commit access, i'll ask the rest of the team. Are you an Ubuntu member? | 02:32 |
| LaserJock | mdke: not yet, I am going to go for that soon I think. I have just been waiting until I had made enough contributions. | 02:33 |
| mdke | great | 02:34 |
| mdke | i think there was a decision taken to only grant commit access to ubuntu members | 02:34 |
| mdke | but that seems rather silly to me | 02:35 |
| mdke | i'll ask around | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | mdke: well, I can understand if I need to wait. | 02:35 |
| LaserJock | I can see where there needs to be some sort of proof of maturity | 02:36 |
| mdke | sure, but I already get the feeling you know what you're doing | 02:39 |
| mdke | LaserJock, don't forget to stick a licence on the doc | 02:40 |
| LaserJock | mdke: well, I can atleast assure you that I will ask before I do anything risky ;-) | 02:40 |
| mdke | :) | 02:41 |
| LaserJock | mdke: beyond ©right; &disclaimer; &legalnotice; &publisher; ? | 02:42 |
| mdke | LaserJock, we usually put the licences on at the end of the document in full, but now that you mention it, I think what you've done is good enough | 02:43 |
| LaserJock | I just copyed what is in the install guide | 02:44 |
| mdke | okies | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | but that is still a WIP though right? | 02:44 |
| mdke | oh yeah | 02:44 |
| LaserJock | is the desktop starter guide a good doc to look at for learning | 02:46 |
| mdke | it's a bit complicated | 02:47 |
| mdke | it is in more than one file, and has all sorts of crazy stuff going on to make links work | 02:48 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I just noticed that. Is there a better one to get started with? | 02:48 |
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| mdke | LaserJock, hmm, maybe not :) | 02:49 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, hello | 02:49 |
| LaserJock | mdke: oh well, I'll just have to dig right in ;-) | 02:49 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, can you tell me, what was that decision in the meeting the other day about commit access? | 02:49 |
| mdke | LaserJock, :) there are some decent docbook guides. But you already seem to know your way around ok | 02:50 |
| LaserJock | mdke: well, I have been using the wiki info and the Docbook Definitive Guide online but I am more interested in some of the stuff specific to the docteam | 02:51 |
| mdke | LaserJock, i'm not sure there is much tbh | 02:52 |
| LaserJock | mdke: that's ok, I will just dig around and ask here if I get stuck | 02:53 |
| mdke | great | 02:54 |
| jsgotangco | hey you | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | sorry i was looking at the commits | 03:01 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: all committers should be members first | 03:01 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, Ubuntu members? | 03:02 |
| mdke | i think that will be a problem | 03:02 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: that's what most of the other attendees suggested (Riddell, ogra, jbailey, etc.) | 03:03 |
| mdke | its a catch 22 | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | it'll pose a problem for those who have no interest on membership yet want to contribute to docs | 03:03 |
| mdke | you have to be a member to commit | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | yes that's correct | 03:03 |
| mdke | but you have to be a regular contributor to be a member | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | but on the other side | 03:03 |
| mdke | so it will take longer to be either | 03:03 |
| jsgotangco | any active contributor can easily become a member based on work | 03:03 |
| mdke | i noticed at the last CC meeting that the CC are not easy with giving people membership, sustained contributions are required and patches don't convince them much | 03:04 |
| mdke | i think getting commit access should be easier than ubuntu membership | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | well just look at bhuvan's case | 03:04 |
| mdke | yeah | 03:04 |
| mdke | mako hesitated about bhuvan | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | he easily got in based on visibile contribs | 03:04 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 03:04 |
| mdke | he didn't easily get in | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | i didn't know that | 03:05 |
| mdke | he got in just about, and I gave him a glowing report | 03:05 |
| jsgotangco | what do you suggest? | 03:05 |
| mdke | and he has a really good wiki page, in which every patch he's done is listed | 03:05 |
| mdke | well, if others disagree, i don't mind | 03:06 |
| mdke | but i'd suggest that we decide on commit access at our meetings | 03:06 |
| mdke | signing the CoC mandatory, of course | 03:06 |
| mdke | but not full membership | 03:06 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 03:07 |
| jsgotangco | my reason for agreeing to membership first before commit is that we're still using ubuntu servers and in no way different from uploading packages like what the devs do | 03:10 |
| jsgotangco | and members have already shown sustainable contribs even on other fields | 03:10 |
| mdke | yeah but I think it is slightly different for the work we do | 03:11 |
| mdke | docs is a good first entry for many | 03:11 |
| jsgotangco | i wouldn't think differently | 03:11 |
| mdke | also, we are short staffed, so sponsoring uploads (patches) is time consuming | 03:11 |
| LaserJock | would something like REVU that the MOTU use be useful? | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | well because we try to do everything at once | 03:12 |
| jsgotangco | LaserJock: that would be helpful | 03:12 |
| mdke | what does it do? | 03:13 |
| LaserJock | mdke: you upload source packages for the MOTU to review and include in Universe | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | mdke: as long as you have a GPG key you can do it | 03:14 |
| mdke | right, but a human being still has to review them right? | 03:14 |
| LaserJock | mdke: then the MOTU review it and provide comments | 03:14 |
| mdke | well that is basically what we do with the mailing list - patch system | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | mdke: yes, but it is easier I think because it is all on a website | 03:15 |
| mdke | anyhow, my point is really that technical competence and ability has nothing to do with ubuntu membership, they look for sustained contribution over a period | 03:15 |
| LaserJock | but I have noticed that it still takes a lot of time to get stuff in because there is only so much time the MOTU have to review packages | 03:16 |
| mdke | if someone turns up who has written 3 debian books and is a master in xml, he wouldn't be able to have commit access for several months | 03:16 |
| mdke | because he has to be an ubuntu member first | 03:16 |
| mdke | LaserJock, yeah, it boils down to resources problems in the end I guess | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: it doesn't if a person contributes something in OOo its still a contribution, membership is about contribution and peer approval in my opinion | 03:16 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, over several months | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | members just makes filtering easier | 03:16 |
| jsgotangco | mdke: debian has it worse really | 03:17 |
| mdke | well, considering that we've been working to make contributing to the docteam easier, i think this is a step backwards | 03:17 |
| mdke | anyhow, np | 03:17 |
| mdke | LaserJock, you'll have to wait :) | 03:17 |
| jsgotangco | we lack structure hence we always end up in a stalemate on some issues | 03:18 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I'm certainly ok with that. It would be easier if I did have commit access but hopefully I will be a member soon | 03:18 |
| jsgotangco | it wouldn't be aproblem if our svn is somewhere else really | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | but elmo's the guy handling it so... | 03:19 |
| jsgotangco | a move to another system would break the social barriers although its also a catch 22 | 03:19 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, i don't follow you | 03:20 |
| mdke | what social barriers? | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | the social structure of svn itself | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | who approves commits | 03:20 |
| mdke | don't confuse those two issues | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | who creates the accounts | 03:20 |
| mdke | one issue is the amount of time it takes to create accounts | 03:20 |
| jsgotangco | im not its still part of the issue though | 03:21 |
| mdke | another separate issue is when we consider a person ready to ask for elmo to create the accounts | 03:21 |
| mdke | the first issue is not a social barrier | 03:21 |
| mdke | the second issue is up to us | 03:21 |
| jsgotangco | you know my schedule for now, i really can't commit heavily on such matters | 03:22 |
| mdke | yep | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | i'm just starting with my new job.. | 03:22 |
| jsgotangco | :( | 03:22 |
| mdke | well i am also quite busy, and i want to do lots of things, hence my frustration at having to sponsor uploads for long periods of time | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | hmmm | 03:23 |
| mdke | our lack of people is part of my reasoning to not limit commit access to members | 03:23 |
| jsgotangco | i'll try to look what's lacking in our wiki its probably just an internal doc thing :) | 03:24 |
| mdke | what is lacking? | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | like i said, i'll try to look :P | 03:24 |
| mdke | i don't think anything is dude | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | i'd still look | 03:24 |
| mdke | i'm bitching purely about this "membership before svn access" decision | 03:24 |
| jsgotangco | well if you ask what my gripe is, is that no one attends meetings at all | 03:25 |
| mdke | well, the team is not big | 03:26 |
| mdke | i can make every other meeting | 03:26 |
| Madpilot | I'd make meetings, if most of them weren't at 0600 local ;) | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | let me add the next meeting in lp | 03:26 |
| mdke | Madpilot, what time is the next one for you? | 03:27 |
| mdke | we have been alternating quite a lot | 03:27 |
| Madpilot | 1400Z = 0600 local; when is the next one? | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | it'll be 22UTC next time | 03:27 |
| mdke | 22 | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | the thing depends on local time | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | sheeshh | 03:27 |
| jsgotangco | can we make it 24? | 03:28 |
| Madpilot | that's 1400 local - I'm always at work... bleh | 03:28 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, what time is 24 where you are, in australia, US etc? | 03:28 |
| jsgotangco | 24 would be 8am here and probably 10am in au | 03:29 |
| Madpilot | 2400Z is 1600 PST, and 1900 Eastern in North America | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | 4pm just like jeff's time | 03:29 |
| mdke | sounds good | 03:29 |
| jsgotangco | 24 then? | 03:30 |
| jsgotangco | hahah great that means i'll be in seoul during the meeting | 03:31 |
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| jsgotangco | nvm i'll just stick with 22 | 03:32 |
| LaserJock | mdke: thanks for all your help | 03:33 |
| mdke | any time | 03:33 |
| Madpilot | I'm going to be rearranging my working days a bit in the new year, hopefully I'll be able to make the 2200Z meetings at least some of the time then... (that'll be a bonus, I'm rearranging my hours for other reasons...) | 03:33 |
| jsgotangco | please check your lp calendar if you're subscribed to udp calendar and check if its correct | 03:33 |
| jsgotangco | hmm i already got to add it... | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | lp doesn't have a delete function | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | im going to cook earlyer | 03:35 |
| jsgotangco | brb | 03:35 |
| LaserJock | what is the best way to make patches to send to ubuntu-doc? | 03:57 |
| LaserJock | ah, maybe svn diff | 04:01 |
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| Burglaptop | too many of me! | 06:33 |
| LaserJock | at work and on the laptop | 06:33 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: you aren't still at work, are you? | 06:34 |
| Burglaptop | nope | 06:35 |
| Burglaptop | I just didn't logoff at work | 06:35 |
| Madpilot | http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/25659737/ | 06:36 |
| Burglaptop | holy crap! | 06:36 |
| Madpilot | NSFW, though ;) | 06:36 |
| Burglaptop | indeed | 06:37 |
| Burglaptop | is kde 3.5 released? | 06:45 |
| Burglaptop | I see the i18n stuff going in | 06:45 |
| Burglaptop | kde would be smart to adopt a six month release cycle, three months off from gnome | 06:46 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot, grr, not registered | 06:47 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot, yes I will be coming on Sun afternoon | 06:47 |
| Madpilot | no pm, then? | 06:47 |
| Burglaptop | yep | 06:47 |
| Madpilot | OK - D & A are coming for dinner, you're welcome to stay & invite C too | 06:48 |
| Burglaptop | on Sun d&a for dinner at your place? | 06:48 |
| Burglaptop | you certain the dirty dishes won | 06:48 |
| Burglaptop | t kill them? | 06:48 |
| Madpilot | Clive only left on Tuesday, the dishes haven't had time to evolve yet :D | 06:48 |
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| Burglaptop | colour scheme for a website: http://www.returnofdesign.com/showcolors.php?scheme=37 | 06:51 |
| Madpilot | nice find - bookmarked | 06:51 |
| bhuvan | doubt in ubuntu membership process.. | 06:52 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot, I think I am going to use it for my website | 06:52 |
| Burglaptop | and any company I eventually launch | 06:52 |
| bhuvan | after becoming the member, is it just fine to sign the coc in lp .. or should we require to send the signed coc to mako ? | 06:52 |
| Burglaptop | bhuvan, sign it in lp | 06:53 |
| bhuvan | it's done.. | 06:53 |
| Madpilot | you can actually sign the CoC before becoming a full member - I've done that | 06:54 |
| bhuvan | ok | 06:54 |
| Burglaptop | Madpilot, you actually managed to get to CC meeting yet? | 06:56 |
| Madpilot | nope | 06:56 |
| Madpilot | next one is at 0600 local, Tuesday 6th Dec. I might try and make that one, just to observe | 06:57 |
| Burglaptop | you have done enough to be put up for membership | 06:58 |
| Madpilot | if you think so | 06:58 |
| Burglaptop | put up a wiki page with what you have done | 07:01 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Madpilot | 07:02 |
| Burglaptop | helping on #ubuntu plus your work on the wiki is enough | 07:04 |
| Burglaptop | I had a great deal when I went, but I just hadn't gotten around to it | 07:04 |
| Madpilot | too bad - the next DocTeam meeting is happening while I'm at work next Friday | 07:05 |
| Madpilot | sometimes -8 UTC bites... | 07:05 |
| LaserJock | man I can understand that ;-) | 07:06 |
| Burglaptop | I am at work but I have full irc access and sit at a desk all day | 07:06 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: and the boss doesn't mind you having an IRC meeting during working hours? | 07:07 |
| Burglaptop | the boss doesn't know | 07:07 |
| Madpilot | heh | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | dang I was thinking it was at 0800 | 07:08 |
| Madpilot | LaserJock: you PST as well? | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | Madpilot: yeah, I'm in Reno, NV | 07:08 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking of going for membership too | 07:09 |
| Madpilot | ... and the other common meeting time is 06-freakin'-00 hrs local. Bleh. | 07:09 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: if you go up a level, you see http://www.returnofdesign.com/colors/ | 07:10 |
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| Burglaptop | sitevista isn't bad either | 07:16 |
| Burglaptop | http://www.returnofdesign.com/showcolors.php?scheme=44 | 07:17 |
| Madpilot | yeah | 07:17 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: register that nick, ffs, so we can stop spamming -doc :) | 07:17 |
| Burglaptop | whatever | 07:17 |
| Madpilot | anyway, yes, that's a pretty good colour scheme too. | 07:18 |
| Burglaptop | I think I like it better, more gold, less yellowy | 07:19 |
| Burglaptop | I now run the internal mediawiki install, and there are some cool options for making it look different | 07:45 |
| Madpilot | Burglaptop: you've installed a LAMP stack, then? | 07:45 |
| Burglaptop | the install was already done | 07:46 |
| Burglaptop | I am just playing with the install | 07:46 |
| Madpilot | by "internal mediawiki isntall" do you mean at work? | 07:46 |
| Burglaptop | yep | 07:47 |
| Madpilot | OK, got you | 07:47 |
| Burglaptop | http://sugar.userful.ca:8080/wiki/ | 07:47 |
| Burglaptop | can't see anything, but there it is | 07:47 |
| Burglaptop | anyway, good night | 07:48 |
| Burglaptop | C is calling me to bed | 07:48 |
| Madpilot | later | 07:48 |
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| mdke | morning | 11:35 |
| Madpilot | hi | 11:41 |
| highvoltage | morning | 11:42 |
| Madpilot | I was looking at the wiki - the wireless modem section is a mess - as is the dailup modem section - and I don't use either. Anyone feel like tackling them and making sense of those pages? | 11:43 |
| mdke | not me, at the moment | 11:43 |
| Madpilot | heh | 11:43 |
| Madpilot | I'll fire an email off to the list at some point | 11:44 |
| mdke | good idea | 11:44 |
| Madpilot | how much stuff is there in the actual help files about wireless & dailup? | 11:44 |
| mdke | not a lot i think | 11:44 |
| mdke | there is a document in our repo about dialup | 11:44 |
| mdke | but we never published it | 11:45 |
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| robotgeek | hi, the ubuntuguide is linked to from ubuntulinux.org? | 12:19 |
| mdke | robotgeek, where abouts? | 12:24 |
| robotgeek | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/link/ububtuguide | 12:25 |
| robotgeek | :) | 12:25 |
| mdke | thanks robotgeek nice spot | 12:25 |
| mdke | actually, i don't see it | 12:26 |
| robotgeek | mdke: really? | 12:26 |
| mdke | oh it has a crazy typo | 12:26 |
| mdke | i thought that was your typo :) | 12:26 |
| robotgeek | lemme find the page which lead to this one, lol | 12:27 |
| mdke | robotgeek, the website is being migrating shortly, we'll sort that out as it does | 12:27 |
| mdke | robotgeek, i see it | 12:27 |
| robotgeek | mdke: kk, just thought i'll let you know. with us in #ubuntu not recommending ubuntuguide and all, this would be bad :) | 12:27 |
| mdke | the documentation section is really out of date | 12:27 |
| robotgeek | mdke: well, i guess it would be sorted soon. sorry for the PM | 12:31 |
| mdke | no, you were right to point it out, thanks | 12:31 |
| robotgeek | alrite, later | 12:32 |
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| jsgotangco | hi | 01:08 |
| mdke | lo | 01:10 |
| jsgotangco | sup? | 01:12 |
| mdke | not a lot, just replied to your mail | 01:13 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 01:16 |
| bhuvan | any update about my svn access ? | 01:18 |
| mdke | bhuvan, no, it generally takes a while. I will pester them | 01:18 |
| jsgotangco | we can try looking at tea leaves... | 01:18 |
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| mdke | bhuvan, i think we should try and avoid using too many stylesheets and css | 01:19 |
| mdke | bhuvan, afaics we can combine aboutubuntu with quicktour, and desktopguide with serverguide, thoughts? | 01:19 |
| bhuvan | aboutubuntu and quicktour .. sure. provided, we can change the file names accordingly | 01:20 |
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| mdke | jsgotangco, my suggestion doesn't involve moving away from yelp, it involves using yelp | 01:20 |
| mdke | bhuvan, yes | 01:21 |
| === jsgotangco still likes xml in yelp | ||
| mdke | heh | 01:21 |
| mdke | why? | 01:21 |
| mdke | it is so slow! | 01:21 |
| jsgotangco | i prefer a consistent look and feel | 01:21 |
| mdke | ah | 01:21 |
| jsgotangco | and yelp has its own stylesheet voodoo | 01:21 |
| mdke | well our html docs should be consistent too | 01:21 |
| jsgotangco | it won't be the same unless you explicityly use yelp's stylesheets | 01:22 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, try building the server/desktop guides and viewing the html in yelp, it is pretty good | 01:22 |
| mdke | and most importantly | 01:22 |
| mdke | a million times faster | 01:22 |
| jsgotangco | i've seen it a few minutes ago | 01:22 |
| jsgotangco | it just doesn't look the same as i expect it to be | 01:23 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, feel free to work on the css/xsl | 01:23 |
| mdke | i don't see the problem though, if our docs are consistent stylesheet-wise | 01:23 |
| mdke | we can even include an Ubuntu header bar | 01:23 |
| bhuvan | mdke, i guess, we've not used css for server guide yet | 01:24 |
| mdke | bhuvan, sure we do | 01:24 |
| mdke | matt@kalliope:~/ubuntu/ubuntu-doc/trunk/build/ubuntu/serverguide$ ls | 01:24 |
| mdke | C default.css | 01:24 |
| mdke | # copy style sheet to build directory | 01:25 |
| mdke | cp default.css ../build/ubuntu/serverguide/default.css | 01:25 |
| mdke | jsgotangco, oh well, something to think about | 01:26 |
| mdke | i'm off | 01:26 |
| highvoltage | is that what i smelled :) | 01:28 |
| highvoltage | cheers, mdke | 01:28 |
| jsgotangco | hopefully the yelp patches get included in the next gnome | 01:29 |
| mdke | highvoltage, haha | 01:29 |
| bhuvan | mdke, i afraid, there's no make target for serverguide in generic/Makefile | 01:29 |
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| mdke | bhuvan, no. There is no point because we don't ship a generic-docs. It's in ubuntu/Makefile, and will be in kubuntu/Makefile too | 01:30 |
| bhuvan | mdke, ok | 01:31 |
| mdke | i've included it in the package that will go out asap | 01:32 |
| bhuvan | mdke, i guess server guide stylesheet needs to be corrected.. | 01:36 |
| bhuvan | we do cp default.css in the Makefile, but we really dont use it in appropriate stylesheets.. | 01:37 |
| mdke | good point | 01:39 |
| mdke | if we unify the stylesheets, we will use the same css for both | 01:39 |
| mdke | anyway, gtg cya later | 01:39 |
| bhuvan | mdke, ok | 01:39 |
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| Belutz | jsgotangco, you there? | 03:26 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 03:31 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: hiya i was just playing a game | 03:31 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, what game? the one you develop? | 03:32 |
| Belutz | :D | 03:32 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: nope..guild wars heh | 03:32 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: what's up? | 03:32 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, i guess, me and my friend will do the presentation at the debconf | 03:33 |
| jsgotangco | that's good news | 03:34 |
| Belutz | :) | 03:34 |
| Belutz | hmm, you are working on edubuntu cookbook? | 03:34 |
| jsgotangco | i do | 03:36 |
| jsgotangco | well it has been sidelined at the moment | 03:36 |
| Belutz | i'll be waiting for it :) | 03:36 |
| Belutz | hmm, i just have a meeting with 3 people, we are going to make the locoteams for indonesia. one of them is focusing on edubuntu | 03:37 |
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| robotgeek | hi, is anyone here | 03:38 |
| robotgeek | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo says that it breaks gui admin tools. i bit the bullet, and enabled the root user. | 03:39 |
| robotgeek | the gui admin tools i tried did not break. | 03:39 |
| jsgotangco | Belutz: that's good news | 03:40 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, yes it is :) | 03:40 |
| robotgeek | side effect -> creates 2 users with root privileges, one is root (who cannot use the gui admin tools), and the other is a normal user who can still everything | 03:40 |
| jsgotangco | someone from jakarta messaged me yesterday | 03:40 |
| robotgeek | Belutz: hi, long time no see | 03:41 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, yup, he's the one i met just now | 03:41 |
| Belutz | robotgeek, hi robotgeek :) | 03:41 |
| Belutz | robotgeek, tha't because i'm sick :( | 03:42 |
| robotgeek | anyways, i did all of that just to find out if it breaks the gui admin tools. | 03:42 |
| robotgeek | Belutz: that's sad, what happened | 03:42 |
| Belutz | robotgeek, flu, and my waist hurts, i haven't got time to go to the doctor :( | 03:42 |
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| robotgeek | Belutz: no time...that's a rather poor excuse | 03:43 |
| Belutz | robotgeek, yes it is :-) | 03:43 |
| Belutz | robotgeek, maybe tommorow i'll go, if i'm healthy i could contribute a lot more translations in launchpad :p | 03:44 |
| robotgeek | hehe...always on the job, huh | 03:44 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, if the edubuntu cookbook is ready, please let me know, we will translate it into Indonesian :) | 03:45 |
| Belutz | robotgeek, well, i always gives to the one i love :p | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | oh probably a month before dapper get's released | 03:45 |
| jsgotangco | but its going to be a huge book | 03:45 |
| Belutz | jsgotangco, it's ok :-) | 03:46 |
| Belutz | it's my dream to have edubuntu installed in indonesian school | 03:46 |
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| jsgotangco | brb | 04:12 |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu-doc: Ubuntu Doc Team - general discussion - backlog at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs | Website http://doc.ubuntu.com | Projects on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | SVN - https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos | Please observe the Ubuntu community code of conduct @ http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu-doc): set by Burgundavia at Tue Nov 8 03:35:03 2005 | ||
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| Hieronymus | hello | 09:54 |
| Hieronymus | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html | 09:54 |
| Hieronymus | header "The Open Source Philosophy" talks about GNU's philosophy, which is "The Free Software Philosophy" | 09:55 |
| Hieronymus | also, "You can find more about this philosophy here.": 'here' links to a 404 | 09:56 |
| Hieronymus | http://www.gnu.org/philsophy/ -> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ | 09:56 |
| Hieronymus | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html | 10:02 |
| Hieronymus | It's not valid HTML either | 10:02 |
| LaserJock | interesting | 10:17 |
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| Hieronymus | LaserJock: and the CSS gives warnings (though that's not really a problem, since they're just that - warnings) | 10:19 |
| LaserJock | Burglaptop: you here? | 10:22 |
| Hieronymus | also, I should note that the HTML error is also in the current dapper and (IIRC) breezy version | 10:23 |
| Hieronymus | I could/would fix the HTML, but I think it comes from a DocBook source. Right? | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | Hieronymus: right, but unfortunately I don't have commit access to the svn repo so I can't make the changes myself. | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | ok, I found the bad gnu philosophy link | 10:33 |
| Hieronymus | good | 10:37 |
| Hieronymus | Where can I download the DocBook source? (Just interested, dont think I can fix it..) | 10:38 |
| LaserJock | the svn docteam repo. check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository | 10:40 |
| Hieronymus | <imagedata fileref="../../images/&language;/ubuntuheader.png" format="PNG"/> | 10:47 |
| Hieronymus | would adding alt="Ubuntu" be enough? | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | Hieronymus: I don't know, probably. I think the best thing for you do is email the ubuntu-doc mailing list. Nobody seems to be awake around here right now ;-) | 10:50 |
| Hieronymus | do I need to subscribe? | 10:50 |
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| Burglaptop | Hieronymus, yes you do need to subscribe | 10:51 |
| Hieronymus | awww.. will one of you post it for me? | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | Burglaptop: ah, wonderful. your here | 10:52 |
| Burglaptop | Hieronymus, send it corey.burger@gmail.com | 10:52 |
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| Hieronymus | Burglaptop: okay, sent it | 11:06 |
| Hieronymus | Burglaptop: are you Corey Burger from amsn? | 11:06 |
| Burglaptop | hmm | 11:06 |
| Burglaptop | not likely but maybe | 11:06 |
| Burglaptop | Hieronymus, sent to the list | 11:14 |
| Burglaptop | but I would simply join | 11:15 |
| Burglaptop | the volume is maybe two or three a day | 11:15 |
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