[12:38] <LaserJock> mdke: ok I got the inital reformating of the packaging done. How do you want it? I made enough changes that the diff is twice a big as the individual files
[12:38] <mdke> lol
[12:38] <mdke> LaserJock, however you prefer
[12:38] <LaserJock> should I just email it to you or would it be better to send it to ubuntu-doc?
[12:39] <mdke> LaserJock, to me is fine, i'll stick it up tonight
[12:40] <LaserJock> k
[12:44] <LaserJock> I sent it to you. I hope it worked ok. It is my first time doing documentation or Docbook or xml.
[12:45] <mdke> LaserJock, I'll check it out when i reboot into breeeeeezy
[12:46] <LaserJock> mdke: np, take your time. I gotta get some more merges done for the MOTU ;-)
[12:47] <mdke> good stuff
[12:47] <mdke> LaserJock, is there anything new in gnome-blog?
[12:47] <mdke> merging that would be cool
[12:47] <mdke> if there is
[12:51] <LaserJock> mdke: doesn't look like it. Debian is 0.8-5 and that is what we have in Dapper
[12:51] <mdke> damn lazy maintainers
[12:52] <LaserJock> I've never used it but it looks like 0.9 has been out since march
[01:13] <mdke> LaserJock, nice work, looks great
[01:13] <LaserJock> thanks, it's a start anyway
[01:14] <mdke> yeah
[01:14] <mdke> just needs a bit of tidying up and a diagram
[01:17] <LaserJock> yeah, the diagram
[01:17] <LaserJock> I see it in the pdf
[01:18] <mdke> how does it look in html?
[01:19] <mdke> shall we stick it up on the preview server?
[01:21] <LaserJock> how does what look like in html? the packaging guide
[01:22] <mdke> yeah
[01:25] <LaserJock> I guess it looks fine
[01:25] <LaserJock> I just did a quick xsltproc on it and everything was there at leas ;-)
[01:25] <LaserJock> t
[01:26] <LaserJock> how does the css part work?
[01:27] <mdke> i'll have a look now
[01:32] <mdke> LaserJock, ok i've made you a make target to build the html from the generic directory
[01:34] <LaserJock> ok, I see that
[01:37] <LaserJock> cool
[01:37] <LaserJock> ok, I was able to make a .jpg of the missing diagram
[01:38] <LaserJock> but where is it supposed to go?
[01:39] <mdke> good question :)
[01:41] <LaserJock> looks like the install guide used generic/images/C/
[01:42] <mdke> oh i see
[01:42] <mdke> yes, that is fine, or use generic/packagingguide/images/
[01:42] <mdke> whatever you like
[01:44] <LaserJock> do I need to worry about the language? should I have generic/packagingguide/image/C/?
[01:44] <mdke> yeah you can do that
[01:44] <mdke> if there is a translation, they put it in, if not, it uses C
[01:45] <LaserJock> k
[01:47] <mdke> see the top of ubuntu/aboutubuntu/C/about-ubuntu.xml for how to insert a picture
[01:51] <mdke> awesome work man
[01:56] <LaserJock> does the makefile need to be modified to add the image?
[01:56] <LaserJock> it shows up in yelp but not sure about html
[02:00] <mdke> no that's fine
[02:00] <mdke> i'll tweak it if necessary
[02:09] <LaserJock> mdke: ok, I just sent you a diff and image
[02:11] <mdke> LaserJock, on it now
[02:20] <mdke> LaserJock, done, great work dude
[02:21] <LaserJock> sweet
[02:26] <mdke> LaserJock, http://doc.ubuntu.com/generic/packagingguide/C/
[02:26] <mdke> is that ok by you?
[02:28] <LaserJock> wow, cool
[02:29] <mdke> adding a link to the frontpage then
[02:29] <mdke> http://doc.ubuntu.com/
[02:29] <LaserJock> ok, so now when I want to work on it from now on should I just email a patch to ubuntu-doc?
[02:30] <mdke> sure
[02:30] <LaserJock> ok, thanks so much for you help
[02:30] <mdke> LaserJock, do you think you'll be working on it fairly steadily? it will be worth getting commit access if so
[02:31] <LaserJock> mdke: I sure hope so, I am also working on the MOTU wiki so I am kinda turning into the MOTU documentation guy right now
[02:32] <mdke> LaserJock, in that case we can try and get you some commit access, i'll ask the rest of the team. Are you an Ubuntu member?
[02:33] <LaserJock> mdke: not yet, I am going to go for that soon I think. I have just been waiting until I had made enough contributions.
[02:34] <mdke> great
[02:34] <mdke> i think there was a decision taken to only grant commit access to ubuntu members
[02:35] <mdke> but that seems rather silly to me
[02:35] <mdke> i'll ask around
[02:35] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I can understand if I need to wait.
[02:36] <LaserJock> I can see where there needs to be some sort of proof of maturity
[02:39] <mdke> sure, but I already get the feeling you know what you're doing
[02:40] <mdke> LaserJock, don't forget to stick a licence on the doc
[02:40] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I can atleast assure you that I will ask before I do anything risky ;-)
[02:41] <mdke> :)
[02:42] <LaserJock> mdke: beyond &copyright; &disclaimer; &legalnotice; &publisher; ?
[02:43] <mdke> LaserJock, we usually put the licences on at the end of the document in full, but now that you mention it, I think what you've done is good enough
[02:44] <LaserJock> I just copyed what is in the install guide
[02:44] <mdke> okies
[02:44] <LaserJock> but that is still  a WIP though right?
[02:44] <mdke> oh yeah
[02:46] <LaserJock> is the desktop starter guide a good doc to look at for learning
[02:47] <mdke> it's a bit complicated
[02:48] <mdke> it is in more than one file, and has all sorts of crazy stuff going on to make links work
[02:48] <LaserJock> yeah, I just noticed that. Is there a better one to get started with?
[02:49] <mdke> LaserJock, hmm, maybe not :)
[02:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, hello
[02:49] <LaserJock> mdke: oh well, I'll just have to dig right in ;-)
[02:49] <mdke> jsgotangco, can you tell me, what was that decision in the meeting the other day about commit access?
[02:50] <mdke> LaserJock, :) there are some decent docbook guides. But you already seem to know your way around ok
[02:51] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I have been using the wiki info and the Docbook  Definitive Guide online but I am more interested in some of the stuff specific to the docteam
[02:52] <mdke> LaserJock, i'm not sure there is much tbh
[02:53] <LaserJock> mdke: that's ok, I will just dig around and ask here if I get stuck
[02:54] <mdke> great
[03:01] <jsgotangco> hey you
[03:01] <jsgotangco> sorry i was looking at the commits
[03:01] <jsgotangco> mdke: all committers should be members first
[03:02] <mdke> jsgotangco, Ubuntu members?
[03:02] <mdke> i think that will be a problem
[03:03] <jsgotangco> mdke: that's what most of the other attendees suggested (Riddell, ogra, jbailey, etc.)
[03:03] <mdke> its a catch 22
[03:03] <jsgotangco> it'll pose a problem for those who have no interest on membership yet want to contribute to docs
[03:03] <mdke> you have to be a member to commit
[03:03] <jsgotangco> yes that's correct
[03:03] <mdke> but you have to be a regular contributor to be a member
[03:03] <jsgotangco> but on the other side
[03:03] <mdke> so it will take longer to be either
[03:03] <jsgotangco> any active contributor can easily become a member based on work
[03:04] <mdke> i noticed at the last CC meeting that the CC are not easy with giving people membership, sustained contributions are required and patches don't convince them much
[03:04] <mdke> i think getting commit access should be easier than ubuntu membership
[03:04] <jsgotangco> well just look at bhuvan's case
[03:04] <mdke> yeah
[03:04] <mdke> mako hesitated about bhuvan
[03:04] <jsgotangco> he easily got in based on visibile contribs
[03:04] <jsgotangco> ahh
[03:05] <mdke> he didn't easily get in
[03:05] <jsgotangco> i didn't know that
[03:05] <mdke> he got in just about, and I gave him a glowing report
[03:05] <jsgotangco> what do you suggest?
[03:05] <mdke> and he has a really good wiki page, in which every patch he's done is listed
[03:06] <mdke> well, if others disagree, i don't mind
[03:06] <mdke> but i'd suggest that we decide on commit access at our meetings
[03:06] <mdke> signing the CoC mandatory, of course
[03:06] <mdke> but not full membership
[03:07] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:10] <jsgotangco> my reason for agreeing to membership first before commit is that we're still using ubuntu servers and in no way different from uploading packages like what the devs do
[03:10] <jsgotangco> and members have already shown sustainable contribs even on other fields 
[03:11] <mdke> yeah but I think it is slightly different for the work we do
[03:11] <mdke> docs is a good first entry for many
[03:11] <jsgotangco> i wouldn't think differently
[03:11] <mdke> also, we are short staffed, so sponsoring uploads (patches) is time consuming
[03:12] <LaserJock> would something like REVU that the MOTU use be useful?
[03:12] <jsgotangco> well because we try to do everything at once
[03:12] <jsgotangco> LaserJock: that would be helpful
[03:13] <mdke> what does it do?
[03:14] <LaserJock> mdke: you upload source packages for the MOTU to review and include in Universe
[03:14] <LaserJock> mdke: as long as you have a GPG key you can do it
[03:14] <mdke> right, but a human being still has to review them right?
[03:14] <LaserJock> mdke: then the MOTU review it and provide comments
[03:15] <mdke> well that is basically what we do with the mailing list - patch system
[03:15] <LaserJock> mdke: yes,  but it is easier I think because it is all on a website
[03:15] <mdke> anyhow, my point is really that technical competence and ability has nothing to do with ubuntu membership, they look for sustained contribution over a period
[03:16] <LaserJock> but I have noticed that it still takes a lot of time to get stuff in because there is only so much time the MOTU have to review packages
[03:16] <mdke> if someone turns up who has written 3 debian books and is a master in xml, he wouldn't be able to have commit access for several months
[03:16] <mdke> because he has to be an ubuntu member first
[03:16] <mdke> LaserJock, yeah, it boils down to resources problems in the end I guess
[03:16] <jsgotangco> mdke: it doesn't if a person contributes something in OOo its still a contribution, membership is about contribution and peer approval in my opinion
[03:16] <mdke> jsgotangco, over several months
[03:16] <jsgotangco> members just makes filtering easier
[03:17] <jsgotangco> mdke: debian has it worse really
[03:17] <mdke> well, considering that we've been working to make contributing to the docteam easier, i think this is a step backwards
[03:17] <mdke> anyhow, np
[03:17] <mdke> LaserJock, you'll have to wait :)
[03:18] <jsgotangco> we lack structure hence we always end up in a stalemate on some issues
[03:18] <LaserJock> mdke: I'm certainly ok with that. It would be easier if I did have commit access but hopefully I will be a member soon
[03:19] <jsgotangco> it wouldn't be aproblem if our svn is somewhere else really
[03:19] <jsgotangco> but elmo's the guy handling it so...
[03:19] <jsgotangco> a move to another system would break the social barriers although its also a catch 22
[03:20] <mdke> jsgotangco, i don't follow you
[03:20] <mdke> what social barriers?
[03:20] <jsgotangco> the social structure of svn itself
[03:20] <jsgotangco> who approves commits
[03:20] <mdke> don't confuse those two issues
[03:20] <jsgotangco> who creates the accounts
[03:20] <mdke> one issue is the amount of time it takes to create accounts
[03:21] <jsgotangco> im not its still part of the issue though
[03:21] <mdke> another separate issue is when we consider a person ready to ask for elmo to create the accounts
[03:21] <mdke> the first issue is not a social barrier
[03:21] <mdke> the second issue is up to us
[03:22] <jsgotangco> you know my schedule for now, i really can't commit heavily on such matters
[03:22] <mdke> yep
[03:22] <jsgotangco> i'm just starting with my new job..
[03:22] <jsgotangco> :(
[03:23] <mdke> well i am also quite busy, and i want to do lots of things, hence my frustration at having to sponsor uploads for long periods of time
[03:23] <jsgotangco> hmmm
[03:23] <mdke> our lack of people is part of my reasoning to not limit commit access to members
[03:24] <jsgotangco> i'll try to look what's lacking in our wiki its probably just an internal doc thing :)
[03:24] <mdke> what is lacking?
[03:24] <jsgotangco> like i said, i'll try to look :P
[03:24] <mdke> i don't think anything is dude
[03:24] <jsgotangco> i'd still look
[03:24] <mdke> i'm bitching purely about this "membership before svn access" decision
[03:25] <jsgotangco> well if you ask what my gripe is, is that no one attends meetings at all
[03:26] <mdke> well, the team is not big
[03:26] <mdke> i can make every other meeting
[03:26] <Madpilot> I'd make meetings, if most of them weren't at 0600 local ;)
[03:26] <jsgotangco> let me add the next meeting in lp
[03:27] <mdke> Madpilot, what time is the next one for you?
[03:27] <mdke> we have been alternating quite a lot
[03:27] <Madpilot> 1400Z = 0600 local; when is the next one?
[03:27] <jsgotangco> it'll be 22UTC next time
[03:27] <mdke> 22
[03:27] <jsgotangco> the thing depends on local time
[03:27] <jsgotangco> sheeshh
[03:28] <jsgotangco> can we make it 24?
[03:28] <Madpilot> that's 1400 local - I'm always at work... bleh
[03:28] <mdke> jsgotangco, what time is 24 where you are, in australia, US etc?
[03:29] <jsgotangco> 24 would be 8am here and probably 10am in au
[03:29] <Madpilot> 2400Z is 1600 PST, and 1900 Eastern in North America
[03:29] <jsgotangco> 4pm just like jeff's time
[03:29] <mdke> sounds good
[03:30] <jsgotangco> 24 then?
[03:31] <jsgotangco> hahah great that means i'll be in seoul during the meeting
[03:32] <jsgotangco> nvm i'll just stick with 22
[03:33] <LaserJock> mdke: thanks for all your help
[03:33] <mdke> any time
[03:33] <Madpilot> I'm going to be rearranging my working days a bit in the new year, hopefully I'll be able to make the 2200Z meetings at least some of the time then... (that'll be a bonus, I'm rearranging my hours for other reasons...)
[03:33] <jsgotangco> please check your lp calendar if you're subscribed to udp calendar and check if its correct
[03:34] <jsgotangco> hmm i already got to add it...
[03:34] <jsgotangco> lp doesn't have a delete function
[03:34] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:35] <jsgotangco> im going to cook earlyer
[03:35] <jsgotangco> brb
[03:57] <LaserJock> what is the best way to make patches to send to ubuntu-doc?
[04:01] <LaserJock> ah, maybe svn diff
[06:33] <Burglaptop> too many of me!
[06:33] <LaserJock> at work and on the laptop 
[06:34] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: you aren't still at work, are you?
[06:35] <Burglaptop> nope
[06:35] <Burglaptop> I just didn't logoff at work
[06:36] <Madpilot> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/25659737/
[06:36] <Burglaptop> holy crap!
[06:36] <Madpilot> NSFW, though ;)
[06:37] <Burglaptop> indeed
[06:45] <Burglaptop> is kde 3.5 released?
[06:45] <Burglaptop> I see the i18n stuff going in
[06:46] <Burglaptop> kde would be smart to adopt a six month release cycle, three months off from gnome
[06:47] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, grr, not registered
[06:47] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, yes I will be coming on Sun afternoon
[06:47] <Madpilot> no pm, then?
[06:47] <Burglaptop> yep
[06:48] <Madpilot> OK - D & A are coming for dinner, you're welcome to stay & invite C too
[06:48] <Burglaptop> on Sun d&a for dinner at your place?
[06:48] <Burglaptop> you certain the dirty dishes won
[06:48] <Burglaptop> t kill them?
[06:48] <Madpilot> Clive only left on Tuesday, the dishes haven't had time to evolve yet :D
[06:51] <Burglaptop> colour scheme for a website: http://www.returnofdesign.com/showcolors.php?scheme=37
[06:51] <Madpilot> nice find - bookmarked
[06:52] <bhuvan> doubt in ubuntu membership process..
[06:52] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, I think I am going to use it for my website
[06:52] <Burglaptop> and any company I eventually launch
[06:52] <bhuvan> after becoming the member, is it just fine to sign the coc in lp .. or should we require to send the signed coc to mako ?
[06:53] <Burglaptop> bhuvan, sign it in lp
[06:53] <bhuvan> it's done..
[06:54] <Madpilot> you can actually sign the CoC before becoming a full member - I've done that
[06:54] <bhuvan> ok
[06:56] <Burglaptop> Madpilot, you actually managed to get to CC meeting yet?
[06:56] <Madpilot> nope
[06:57] <Madpilot> next one is at 0600 local, Tuesday 6th Dec. I might try and make that one, just to observe
[06:58] <Burglaptop> you have done enough to be put up for membership
[06:58] <Madpilot> if you think so
[07:01] <Burglaptop> put up a wiki page with what you have done
[07:02] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Madpilot
[07:04] <Burglaptop> helping on #ubuntu plus your work on the wiki is enough
[07:04] <Burglaptop> I had a great deal when I went, but I just hadn't gotten around to it
[07:05] <Madpilot> too bad - the next DocTeam meeting is happening while I'm at work next Friday
[07:05] <Madpilot> sometimes -8 UTC bites...
[07:06] <LaserJock> man I can understand that ;-)
[07:06] <Burglaptop> I am at work but I have full irc access and sit at a desk all day
[07:07] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: and the boss doesn't mind you having an IRC meeting during working hours?
[07:07] <Burglaptop> the boss doesn't know
[07:08] <Madpilot> heh
[07:08] <LaserJock> dang I was thinking it was at 0800
[07:08] <Madpilot> LaserJock: you PST as well?
[07:08] <LaserJock> Madpilot: yeah, I'm in Reno, NV
[07:09] <LaserJock> I was thinking of going for membership too
[07:09] <Madpilot> ... and the other common meeting time is 06-freakin'-00 hrs local. Bleh.
[07:10] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: if you go up a level, you see http://www.returnofdesign.com/colors/
[07:16] <Burglaptop> sitevista isn't bad either
[07:17] <Burglaptop> http://www.returnofdesign.com/showcolors.php?scheme=44
[07:17] <Madpilot> yeah
[07:17] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: register that nick, ffs, so we can stop spamming -doc :)
[07:17] <Burglaptop> whatever
[07:18] <Madpilot> anyway, yes, that's a pretty good colour scheme too.
[07:19] <Burglaptop> I think I like it better, more gold, less yellowy
[07:45] <Burglaptop> I now run the internal mediawiki install, and there are some cool options for making it look different
[07:45] <Madpilot> Burglaptop: you've installed a LAMP stack, then?
[07:46] <Burglaptop> the install was already done
[07:46] <Burglaptop> I am just playing with the install
[07:46] <Madpilot> by "internal mediawiki isntall" do you mean at work?
[07:47] <Burglaptop> yep
[07:47] <Madpilot> OK, got you
[07:47] <Burglaptop> http://sugar.userful.ca:8080/wiki/
[07:47] <Burglaptop> can't see anything, but there it is
[07:48] <Burglaptop> anyway, good night
[07:48] <Burglaptop> C is calling me to bed
[07:48] <Madpilot> later
[11:35] <mdke> morning
[11:41] <Madpilot> hi
[11:42] <highvoltage> morning
[11:43] <Madpilot> I was looking at the wiki - the wireless modem section is a mess - as is the dailup modem section - and I don't use either. Anyone feel like tackling them and making sense of those pages?
[11:43] <mdke> not me, at the moment
[11:43] <Madpilot> heh
[11:44] <Madpilot> I'll fire an email off to the list at some point
[11:44] <mdke> good idea
[11:44] <Madpilot> how much stuff is there in the actual help files about wireless & dailup?
[11:44] <mdke> not a lot i think
[11:44] <mdke> there is a document in our repo about dialup
[11:45] <mdke> but we never published it
[12:19] <robotgeek> hi, the ubuntuguide is linked to from ubuntulinux.org?
[12:24] <mdke> robotgeek, where abouts?
[12:25] <robotgeek> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/support/documentation/link/ububtuguide
[12:25] <robotgeek> :)
[12:25] <mdke> thanks robotgeek nice spot
[12:26] <mdke> actually, i don't see it
[12:26] <robotgeek> mdke: really? 
[12:26] <mdke> oh it has a crazy typo
[12:26] <mdke> i thought that was your typo :)
[12:27] <robotgeek> lemme find the page which lead to this one, lol
[12:27] <mdke> robotgeek, the website is being migrating shortly, we'll sort that out as it does
[12:27] <mdke> robotgeek, i see it
[12:27] <robotgeek> mdke: kk, just thought i'll let you know. with us in #ubuntu not recommending ubuntuguide and all, this would be bad :)
[12:27] <mdke> the documentation section is really out of date
[12:31] <robotgeek> mdke: well, i guess it would be sorted soon. sorry for the PM
[12:31] <mdke> no, you were right to point it out, thanks
[12:32] <robotgeek> alrite, later
[01:08] <jsgotangco> hi
[01:10] <mdke> lo
[01:12] <jsgotangco> sup?
[01:13] <mdke> not a lot, just replied to your mail
[01:16] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:18] <bhuvan> any update about my svn access ?
[01:18] <mdke> bhuvan, no, it generally takes a while. I will pester them
[01:18] <jsgotangco> we can try looking at tea leaves...
[01:19] <mdke> bhuvan, i think we should try and avoid using too many stylesheets and css
[01:19] <mdke> bhuvan, afaics we can combine aboutubuntu with quicktour, and desktopguide with serverguide, thoughts?
[01:20] <bhuvan> aboutubuntu and quicktour .. sure. provided, we can change the file names accordingly
[01:20] <mdke> jsgotangco, my suggestion doesn't involve moving away from yelp, it involves using yelp
[01:21] <mdke> bhuvan, yes
[01:21] <mdke> heh
[01:21] <mdke> why?
[01:21] <mdke> it is so slow!
[01:21] <jsgotangco> i prefer a consistent look and feel
[01:21] <mdke> ah
[01:21] <jsgotangco> and yelp has its own stylesheet voodoo
[01:21] <mdke> well our html docs should be consistent too
[01:22] <jsgotangco> it won't be the same unless you explicityly use yelp's stylesheets
[01:22] <mdke> jsgotangco, try building the server/desktop guides and viewing the html in yelp, it is pretty good
[01:22] <mdke> and most importantly
[01:22] <mdke> a million times faster
[01:22] <jsgotangco> i've seen it a few minutes ago
[01:23] <jsgotangco> it just doesn't look the same as i expect it to be
[01:23] <mdke> jsgotangco, feel free to work on the css/xsl
[01:23] <mdke> i don't see the problem though, if our docs are consistent stylesheet-wise
[01:23] <mdke> we can even include an Ubuntu header bar
[01:24] <bhuvan> mdke, i guess, we've not used css for server guide yet
[01:24] <mdke> bhuvan, sure we do
[01:24] <mdke> matt@kalliope:~/ubuntu/ubuntu-doc/trunk/build/ubuntu/serverguide$ ls
[01:24] <mdke> C  default.css
[01:25] <mdke> 	# copy style sheet to build directory
[01:25] <mdke> 	cp default.css ../build/ubuntu/serverguide/default.css
[01:26] <mdke> jsgotangco, oh well, something to think about
[01:26] <mdke> i'm off
[01:28] <highvoltage> is that what i smelled :)
[01:28] <highvoltage> cheers, mdke 
[01:29] <jsgotangco> hopefully the yelp patches get included in the next gnome
[01:29] <mdke> highvoltage, haha
[01:29] <bhuvan> mdke, i afraid, there's no make target for serverguide in generic/Makefile
[01:30] <mdke> bhuvan, no. There is no point because we don't ship a generic-docs. It's in ubuntu/Makefile, and will be in kubuntu/Makefile too
[01:31] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[01:32] <mdke> i've included it in the package that will go out asap
[01:36] <bhuvan> mdke, i guess server guide stylesheet needs to be corrected..
[01:37] <bhuvan> we do cp default.css in the Makefile, but we really dont use it in appropriate stylesheets..
[01:39] <mdke> good point
[01:39] <mdke> if we unify the stylesheets, we will use the same css for both
[01:39] <mdke> anyway, gtg cya later
[01:39] <bhuvan> mdke, ok
[03:26] <Belutz> jsgotangco, you there?
[03:31] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:31] <jsgotangco> Belutz: hiya i was just playing a game
[03:32] <Belutz> jsgotangco, what game? the one you develop?
[03:32] <Belutz> :D
[03:32] <jsgotangco> Belutz: nope..guild wars heh
[03:32] <jsgotangco> Belutz: what's up?
[03:33] <Belutz> jsgotangco, i guess, me and my friend will do the presentation at the debconf
[03:34] <jsgotangco> that's good news
[03:34] <Belutz> :)
[03:34] <Belutz> hmm, you are working on edubuntu cookbook?
[03:36] <jsgotangco> i do
[03:36] <jsgotangco> well it has been sidelined at the moment
[03:36] <Belutz> i'll be waiting for it :)
[03:37] <Belutz> hmm, i just have a meeting with 3 people, we are going to make the locoteams for indonesia. one of them is focusing on edubuntu
[03:38] <robotgeek> hi, is anyone here
[03:39] <robotgeek> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo says that it breaks gui admin tools. i bit the bullet, and enabled the root user. 
[03:39] <robotgeek> the gui admin tools i tried did not break. 
[03:40] <jsgotangco> Belutz: that's good news
[03:40] <Belutz> jsgotangco, yes it is :)
[03:40] <robotgeek> side effect -> creates 2 users with root privileges, one is root (who cannot use the gui admin tools), and the other is a normal user who can still everything 
[03:40] <jsgotangco> someone from jakarta messaged me yesterday
[03:41] <robotgeek> Belutz: hi, long time no see
[03:41] <Belutz> jsgotangco, yup, he's the one i met just now
[03:41] <Belutz> robotgeek, hi robotgeek :)
[03:42] <Belutz> robotgeek, tha't because i'm sick :(
[03:42] <robotgeek> anyways, i did all of that just to find out if it breaks the gui admin tools.
[03:42] <robotgeek> Belutz: that's sad, what happened
[03:42] <Belutz> robotgeek, flu, and my waist hurts, i haven't got time to go to the doctor :(
[03:43] <robotgeek> Belutz: no time...that's a rather poor excuse
[03:43] <Belutz> robotgeek, yes it is :-)
[03:44] <Belutz> robotgeek, maybe tommorow i'll go, if i'm healthy i could contribute a lot more translations in launchpad :p
[03:44] <robotgeek> hehe...always on the job, huh
[03:45] <Belutz> jsgotangco, if the edubuntu cookbook is ready, please let me know, we will translate it into Indonesian :)
[03:45] <Belutz> robotgeek, well, i always gives to the one i love :p
[03:45] <jsgotangco> oh probably a month before dapper get's released
[03:45] <jsgotangco> but its going to be a huge book
[03:46] <Belutz> jsgotangco, it's ok :-)
[03:46] <Belutz> it's my dream to have edubuntu installed in indonesian school
[04:12] <jsgotangco> brb
[09:54] <Hieronymus> hello
[09:54] <Hieronymus> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html
[09:55] <Hieronymus> header "The Open Source Philosophy" talks about GNU's philosophy, which is "The Free Software Philosophy"
[09:56] <Hieronymus> also, "You can find more about this philosophy here.": 'here' links to a 404
[09:56] <Hieronymus> http://www.gnu.org/philsophy/ -> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/
[10:02] <Hieronymus> http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/index.html
[10:02] <Hieronymus> It's not valid HTML either
[10:17] <LaserJock> interesting
[10:19] <Hieronymus> LaserJock: and the CSS gives warnings (though that's not really a problem, since they're just that - warnings)
[10:22] <LaserJock> Burglaptop: you here?
[10:23] <Hieronymus> also, I should note that the HTML error is also in the current dapper and (IIRC) breezy version
[10:30] <Hieronymus> I could/would fix the HTML, but I think it comes from a DocBook source. Right?
[10:32] <LaserJock> Hieronymus: right, but unfortunately I don't have commit access to the svn repo so I can't make the changes myself.
[10:33] <LaserJock> ok, I found the bad gnu philosophy link
[10:37] <Hieronymus> good
[10:38] <Hieronymus> Where can I download the DocBook source? (Just interested, dont think I can fix it..)
[10:40] <LaserJock> the svn docteam repo. check out https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamGettingStarted and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository
[10:47] <Hieronymus> <imagedata fileref="../../images/&language;/ubuntuheader.png" format="PNG"/>
[10:48] <Hieronymus> would adding alt="Ubuntu" be enough?
[10:50] <LaserJock> Hieronymus: I don't know, probably. I think the best thing for you do is email the ubuntu-doc mailing list. Nobody seems to be awake around here right now ;-)
[10:50] <Hieronymus> do I need to subscribe?
[10:51] <Burglaptop> Hieronymus, yes you do need to subscribe
[10:51] <Hieronymus> awww.. will one of you post it for me?
[10:52] <LaserJock> Burglaptop: ah, wonderful. your here
[10:52] <Burglaptop> Hieronymus, send it corey.burger@gmail.com
[11:06] <Hieronymus> Burglaptop: okay, sent it
[11:06] <Hieronymus> Burglaptop: are you Corey Burger from amsn?
[11:06] <Burglaptop> hmm
[11:06] <Burglaptop> not likely but maybe
[11:14] <Burglaptop> Hieronymus, sent to the list
[11:15] <Burglaptop> but I would simply join
[11:15] <Burglaptop> the volume is maybe two or three a day