[12:04] <herve> good night
[12:46] <raphink> anyone to review konq-kim, konq-toutf8 and kio-sword?
[12:46] <raphink> they have already been aproved once... just needs one more
[12:48] <raphink> \sh: would you have some time to review them?
[01:06] <\sh> yes...but not now anymore...I just made my final tests for kdelibs3.5 so it's over now for me at least at this special hour
[01:29] <zakame> morning all
[01:44] <zakame> hi slomo
[03:40] <LaserJock> I don't know if anybody would be interested but a packaging guide has been added to doc.ubuntu.com
[03:40] <Kyral> Oh so its going?
[03:40] <Kyral> I thought I was to help?
[03:41] <LaserJock> Kyral: oh, don't worry. It is just started
[03:41] <Kyral> okay
[03:41] <Kyral> I don't want to be left out of the fun :P
[03:58] <Kyral> anyone know how I would untargz all the tarballs in one dir with one command?
[04:20] <LaserJock> hi bmonty
[04:20] <bmonty> hey LaserJock
[04:21] <LaserJock> how's it going?
[04:21] <bmonty> too much leftover Turkey :)
[04:21] <bmonty> you?
[04:21] <schweeb> (no need to capitalize turkey, unless you're talking about the country :P)
[04:22] <bmonty> ok, thanks professor :)
[04:22] <LaserJock> yes, the turkey was good. Lots of mashed potatoes, mmmm
[04:23] <bmonty> my feet already hurt thinking of the extra miles I'll have to run next week to make up for this weekend
[04:24] <LaserJock> lol
[04:24] <LaserJock> well, that baby ought to keep you going soon enough
[04:25] <bmonty> nah, I just get to have fun with him...the wife is the one that gets to get up a couple times every hours to feed him
[04:27] <bmonty> I need an extra set of eyes on a Python script: http://www.montynet.org/UbuntuMirrorModule.py
[04:28] <bmonty> it parses the Ubuntu mirror list, but only works correctly for a couple of the countries
[04:28] <bmonty> I can't figure out why if it works for one country it doesn't work for all
[05:11] <LaserJock> any gpg masters about?
[05:11] <bmonty> LaserJock: I might be able to help
[05:11] <LaserJock> I'm just trying to figure out if my key is acceptable
[05:12] <bmonty> in what way?
[05:12] <LaserJock> I would like to go for Ubuntu membership soon and it says that I need to be a part of the "strong set"
[05:13] <LaserJock> but I'm not really sure what that means
[05:13] <LaserJock> or if that is really true
[05:13] <bmonty> being part of the strong set has to do with the signatures on your key
[05:13] <bmonty> I think the wiki says that the key you use for signing changes has to be in the strong set
[05:14] <bmonty> brb
[05:15] <LaserJock> k
[05:15] <Kyral> LJ when are you going for Membership?
[05:16] <LaserJock> maybe next CC meeting, I haven't decided
[05:16] <Kyral> When is that?
[05:16] <bmonty> LaserJock: maybe I'll go with you :)
[05:16] <LaserJock> I have to be a member to get commit access for the doc team rpo
[05:16] <Kyral> bmonty: you a member?
[05:17] <bmonty> Kyral: no, not yet
[05:17] <LaserJock> Kyral: 2005-12-06 14:00 GMT
[05:17] <seth_k|lappy> LaserJock, it's not actually true (re: strong set required for membership)
[05:17] <Kyral> ......thats what......1100 EST
[05:17] <seth_k|lappy> You just need strong set for upload rights, but not for plain vanilla membership
[05:17] <LaserJock> seth_k|lappy: what about for MOTU?
[05:17] <Kyral> I hope I don't have a final
[05:17] <Kyral> wait thats December 6th?
[05:18] <Kyral> what day is that?
[05:18] <seth_k|lappy> LaserJock, yeah you need to be in the strong set for MOTU
[05:18] <bmonty> LaserJock: when you upload a source package, you sign the changes file
[05:18] <bmonty> that key has to be in the strong set
[05:18] <bmonty> being in the strong set means getting signatures on your key
[05:18] <LaserJock> yeah, I understand I just want to find out how I get in the strong set
[05:18] <bmonty> if you get signatures from people with a lot of signatures on their key, it makes it easier to be in the strong set
[05:18] <Kyral> Damnit
[05:18] <Kyral> AGAIN!
[05:19] <Kyral> They schedule the meeting when i have class
[05:19] <Kyral> WTF?!
[05:19] <Kyral> oy....
[05:19] <LaserJock> I got it signed by somebody from my uni that was in the "strong set" according to biglumber.com but it says that I'm not in the strong set
[05:19] <bmonty> strong set is another way of saying, my key is signed by several people who have verified my identity
[05:19] <Kyral> I got mine signed by dholback
[05:19] <Kyral> err
[05:19] <Kyral> dholbach even :D
[05:19] <bmonty> LaserJock: just because they are in the strong set won't necessarily put you in the strong set
[05:20] <LaserJock> bmonty: that's what I'm not getting
[05:20] <Kyral> so wait
[05:20] <Kyral> the meeting is Dec 6th, 1100 EST?
[05:20] <LaserJock> oh, well. as long as it doesn't prevent me from being a Member I'm OK for now
[05:21] <bmonty> LaserJock: the keyanalyze report might not have updated yet to show your key
[05:21] <bmonty> I think the only run it once per month
[05:21] <Kyral> ....can I get an answer?
[05:21] <bmonty> Kyral: check the topic on #ubuntu-meeting
[05:21] <LaserJock> Kyral: I think so. fridge.ubuntu.com also has it
[05:21] <bmonty> or the calendar on the fridge
[05:21] <Kyral> damnit
[05:22] <Kyral> again when I'm in class
[05:22] <LaserJock> skip it >:)
[05:22] <Kyral> I can't
[05:22] <Kyral> I don't skip classes
[05:22] <bmonty> they alternate the meeting times, and there is something on -devel about changing the times
[05:22] <Kyral> Wait a sec
[05:22] <Kyral> I have a terminal
[05:22] <LaserJock> Kyral: me neither but I thought I would give it a try
[05:22] <Kyral> I can SSH to my computer
[05:23] <Kyral> and reattach the running irssi session to the terminal
[05:24] <LaserJock> bmonty: so who decides who is in the strong set?
[05:24] <bmonty> LaserJock: as far as I understand it the strong set is based on the minimum distance from your key to another key
[05:24] <Kyral> bmonty: its a computer class anyway
[05:25] <bmonty> so if my key is signed by someone who has also signed your key, the distance is 2
[05:25] <bmonty> if your mean distance to other keys is less than some value that I can't remember you are in the strong set
[05:25] <bmonty> or something like that, its been awhile since I read about it
[05:25] <Kyral> where is this keyanalyzer thingy
[05:26] <bmonty> google
[05:26] <Kyral> no
[05:26] <bmonty> google is your friend
[05:26] <LaserJock> crap, Mean distance to this key from strong set:   7.0675
[05:26] <Kyral> LJ what is it :P
[05:26] <LaserJock> biglumber.com
[05:27] <LaserJock> is there a strong set just for Ubuntu?
[05:28] <bmonty> I don't think so
[05:28] <bmonty> I think the strong set is those keys which have a mean distance to other keys less than 5
[05:28] <bmonty> not sure on that though...
[05:29] <LaserJock> for the guy that signed my key it says:
[05:29] <LaserJock> This key is in the strong set.
[05:29] <LaserJock> Mean distance to this key from strong set:   6.0675
[05:29] <Kyral> aw screw it
[05:30] <bmonty> like I said, the details are fuzzy.
[05:30] <bmonty> the same site that has the keyanalyze report has a description of how they generate the stats
[05:32] <LaserJock> Kyral: your at http://keyserver.kjsl.com/~jharris/ka/2005-11-13/0F/0F1A6639 if your interested
[05:32] <Kyral> 5 eh?
[05:32] <Kyral> Issat close enough?
[05:35] <Kyral> Ho I guess it is
[05:35] <LaserJock> ahh, I might of found a problem. My key wasn't self signed until just recently
[05:35] <Kyral> lol
[05:35] <Kyral> I self signed like 3 times
[05:35] <Kyral> LJ I think the two most active members of MOTUScience should go for membership together
[05:36] <LaserJock> Kyral: that would be good, make sure your wiki page is spiffy
[05:37] <Kyral> it is
[05:37] <Kyral> look
[05:37] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisPeterman
[05:38] <LaserJock> you might want to put some more detail though under what you have done for teams, etc.
[05:38] <Kyral> Two packages sitting in REVU
[05:38] <Kyral> a crapload of Forums activity
[05:39] <Kyral> PNYTeam isn't really going to go active until next semester
[05:40] <LaserJock> mine is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha
[05:40] <Kyral> I need to get sponsors though
[05:40] <LaserJock> Kyral: but you might want to put some more examples of those
[05:40] <Kyral> Yah
[05:41] <Kyral> like the fact that EasyChem and FlowDesigner are both in REVU?
[05:41] <Kyral> I think EasyChem is actually bulletproof
[05:41] <Kyral> I just need people to look them over
[05:42] <LaserJock> yeah they want to see activity and they want they want to see that activity over time
[05:42] <Kyral> It ain't easy pulling 1600+ posts
[05:43] <LaserJock> well, but I think maybe just pointing there isn't enough. Maybe link to some particularlly good examples ;-)
[05:43] <LaserJock> but of course I could be wrong ;-)
[05:43] <Kyral> I dunno
[05:43] <Kyral> lol
[05:44] <Kyral> If I'm wrong they will tell me lol
[05:44] <LaserJock> yeah, at least it's not a one shot kinda deal, they let you try again
[05:57] <bmonty> time for bed...good night everyone
[06:31] <lamont-away> libapache-mod-cgi-debug needs to build-depend libdb4.3-dev, not 4.2
[06:36] <lamont-away> Unpacking gnokii (from .../gnokii_0.6.8-0.2_hppa.deb) ...
[06:36] <lamont-away> /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 6: /usr/sbin/addgroup: No such file or directory
[06:36] <lamont-away> dpkg: error processing /home/buildd/build-dapper/chroot-dapper/var/cache/apt/archives/gnokii_0.6.8-0.2_hppa.deb (--unpack):
[06:36] <lamont-away> bad gnokii
[06:45] <hub_> is it allowed to upload to universe a more recent version of a lib in main?
[06:45] <hub_> that has a different binary package name?
[08:29] <Cars> http://www.LuxuryCarForums.com
[08:34] <crimsun> roit.
[09:13] <raphink> hi
[09:13] <crimsun> hi
[09:13] <raphink> :)
[09:13] <raphink> Riddell proposed one of my packages should maybe have compat level 5. How do I know about that?
[09:17] <crimsun> echo -n 5 > debian/compat
[09:17] <crimsun> also check debian/rules to see if it sets DH_COMPAT explicitly
[09:20] <raphink> hmm no
[09:20] <raphink> my debian/rules is made with cdbs
[09:20] <raphink> there's nothing in it about DH_COMPAT
[09:20] <raphink> and my debian/compat is set to 4 by default
[09:20] <raphink> my question is not how I should set it
[09:20] <raphink> I know that
[09:20] <raphink> but rather
[09:20] <raphink> why?
[09:22] <crimsun> why should you set it? To keep current with "best practices" in Debian
[09:22] <raphink> hmm ok
[09:23] <StevenK> Hah, I suspect not many people have punted to debhelper compat level five yet.
[09:23] <raphink> and so what "best practice" would justify that I set compat to 5 on my package and not on others?
[09:23] <raphink> what does it change?
[09:23] <crimsun> you're probably fine with 4 for a little while longer at least
[09:23] <crimsun> raphink: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/d/debhelper/debhelper_5.0.7/changelog
[09:23] <raphink> Riddell said it should be discussed here whether to use 5
[09:24] <crimsun> according to joey, one of the larger changes is allowing comments in debhelper files, but StevenK may have further [clarified]  insight...
[09:25] <raphink> that means it works with debhelper 5?
[09:26] <raphink> hmmm ok
[09:27] <StevenK> crimsun: My feeling is "Let's give Joey a month or so to put in changes for DH_COMPAT 5."
[09:27] <crimsun> :)
[09:27] <raphink> ok
[09:27] <raphink> so I'll keep level 4 so far
[09:31] <raphink> anyone has time to review some packages ? ;)
[09:35] <crimsun> I'll be happy to look in a bit. I need to merge a few more packages.
[09:38] <StevenK> And I need to bitch at Daniel Stone about my inventor merge.
[09:39] <Lathiat> hey StevenK :)
[09:41] <raphink> crimsun: ok :)
[09:45] <StevenK> Whee, a 182K debdiff between 0.9.5ubuntu1 and 0.10.2ubuntu1
[09:46] <sivang> Hey Folks
[09:46] <raphink> hi sivang
[09:46] <sivang> pitti pinged me on friday, anybody know what he wanted?
[09:47] <sivang> hey raphink
[10:09] <crimsun> re daniel
[10:10] <StevenK> Dear. Was it something we said?
[10:13] <crimsun> hehe, I don't think so, 'twas just asking mdz/kamion to NEW the libstdc++ allocator transition packages for libglibmm
[10:17] <crimsun> StevenK: (you probably want to be in #ubuntu-devel, too)
[10:18] <StevenK> I do?
[10:19] <crimsun> StevenK: yeah, all the core developers discuss Important Stuff there
[11:05] <siretart> morning
[12:03] <dholbach> have a nice WE
[12:03] <Treenaks> bye
[12:10] <siretart> crimsun: around?
[12:11] <\sh> moins siretart
[12:11] <siretart> huhu \sh
[12:11] <siretart> \sh: shall we phone about the imap stuff?
[12:12] <\sh> siretart: forget about that for the moment...
[12:12] <crimsun> siretart: pong
[12:12] <siretart> \sh: okay
[12:13] <siretart> crimsun: I'm currently looking at ecasound2.2, you touched it during breezy cycle, remember?
[12:13] <crimsun> siretart: right.
[12:13] <\sh> siretart: I'll have to test it here first...before I setup something on tiber...I think xml generation from mails is better and then provide a xmlrpc interface
[12:13] <siretart> \sh: I stronly suggest that, too!
[12:14] <siretart> crimsun: I'm a bit confused
[12:14] <\sh> siretart: so I can switch easily from my syntax to LP xmlrpc interface
[12:14] <siretart> crimsun: in the changelog, you say 'Build against python2.4-dev and libjack0.80.0-dev.' But the resulting diff is 350k big
[12:14] <crimsun> holy
[12:14] <siretart> http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/ecasound2.2/
[12:14] <siretart> may I ask you to do this merge? ;)
[12:15] <\sh> aeh
[12:15] <crimsun> sure. (The Debian patch is approximately that size, too)
[12:15] <\sh> the dropped patch is 204k
[12:17] <\sh> siretart: u could use the new debian package..
[12:17] <\sh> siretart: and merge from there
[12:17] <\sh> most of the stuff is autotools dance crap
[12:17] <crimsun> yeah, that's what I'm doing
[12:17] <crimsun> siretart: I'll merge it, no prob
[12:17] <siretart> crimsun: thanks
[12:18] <crimsun> config.log is a "winner"
[12:25] <yosch> hi guys, I couldn't find a way to get the debian changelog compressed (dh_compress) but not the other docs (like plain text and pdf bits) any pointers to docs I may have missed?
[12:26] <siretart> if the debian/changelog is reasonably small, dh_compress wont compress it
[12:27] <yosch> there's only one entry so far but it's bound to grow (as the policy says)
[12:28] <yosch> is there a dh_ command to *only* compress the changelog?
[12:28] <yosch> or do I need a lintian override? some pointers on how to do that?
[12:40] <\sh> does anybody know where bddebian is?
[12:40] <\sh> i didn't see him for some time now
[12:40] <crimsun> he was on a couple weeks ago apologising for not being more involved due to real life
[12:42] <\sh> ah
[12:42] <\sh> hope he is well
[12:43] <pef> for french people : http://www.fsffrance.org/news/article2005-11-25.fr.html :/
[12:44] <pef> opensources software may become illegal in France
[12:47] <\sh> why?
[12:49] <pef> \sh: opensource software don't have a system to controle and trace people's activites, and some big companies don't like this
[12:50] <\sh> this I don't understand...control and trace people? how should software do this?
[12:50] <siretart> pef: are they argumenting with criminal prosecution or with copyright enforcement?
[12:50] <ogra> spyware ?
[12:50] <\sh> ogra: software never will control and trace people
[12:51] <\sh> not in 100 years
[12:51] <pef> siretart: yes
[12:51] <siretart> pef: which one of the two?
[12:51] <crimsun> but beware, in 101 years python6.66 ...
[12:52] <ogra> \sh, proxies, firewalls already do ... spyware as well ...
[12:52] <pef> siretart: it may become a crime to contribute/write opensource software, you can get fines and go to jail
[12:53] <pef> \sh: they are complaining that opensource software cannot contains such systems because of their source code availibility
[12:53] <ogra> thats nonsense
[12:54] <\sh> ogra: how are firewalls and spyware control and trace people? they can trace and control the actions when people are using a computer
[12:54] <\sh> pef: well....that's crap
[12:54] <ogra> squid offers full logging, so you can track every employees online activity ... same goes for linux based firewalls
[12:54] <pef> for the moment in France, you can copy a music cd you bought, to convert it in mp3 for your ipod, or a copy to put in your car, but this will become illegal, illegal to bypass protections
[12:55] <\sh> pef: sidewinder from securecomputing as really good piece of firewalling...they're using a modified version of BSD..BSD is opensource..
[12:55] <ogra> pef, it already is in germany ... but that doesnt make oss illegal
[12:56] <ogra> it makes certain procedures to circumvent copy protection illegal, but that applies to closed source as well
[12:57] <pef> the worst is this "law" will be decided on december...22nd and 23th :/
[12:57] <siretart> which X11 header contains X11/bitmaps/gray?
[12:58] <azeem> bitmaps
[12:58] <azeem> eh, xbitmaps
[12:58] <azeem> (at least according to packages.u.c)
[12:58] <siretart> thanks
[12:59] <pef> http://www.eucd.info/index.php?2005/11/14/177-droit-d-auteur-eucdinfo-%20devoile-le-plan-d-attaque-des-majors traduction of the requests :
[01:00] <pef> forbid all software providing information which can be protected by copyright ? (droit d'auteur)  and doesn't allowing systems to trace and control private usage
[01:00] <pef> forbid promotion of theses software
[01:01] <pef> bypassing theses rules can result in penal issues
[01:02] <pef> webradios must have crypt/protections systems
[01:02] <\sh> siretart: not enlightenment, right?
[01:03] <pef> a general system to collect privates dialogs
[01:03] <pef> filter system with ISP
[01:08] <siretart> \sh: sorry?
[01:09] <\sh> siretart: enlightenment needed a xbitmaps as well....I thought u are working on it :)
[01:09] <\sh> actually it's waiting for upload now and here
[01:10] <siretart> \sh: no, I'm working on drscheme
[01:11] <\sh> ah
[01:12] <\sh> siretart: he should have tested by himself...he's asking everytime for "advise" because mr.back never tests
[01:12] <\sh> siretart: python-apt ,)
[01:13] <siretart> \sh: ah, I see
[01:13] <siretart> I'm wating for the day he needs to revert a backport
[01:13] <siretart> waiting
[01:14] <\sh> siretart: i have to have a look on his rules..reading the last mails about this script etc. I don't have a good feeling if somebody is doing some backports when we never heard about this guy
[01:15] <\sh> crimsun: can u file a bug on ecasound..so that is magically disappearing from the mom list on revu?
[01:27] <zakame> evening all
[01:33] <zakame> hi ogra
[01:35] <crimsun> \sh: will do.
[01:47] <zakame> crimsun: ping, can you please check malone 4114 and malone 4115, both syncs... thanks :)
[01:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #4114: pdftk: merge new debian version Fix req. for: pdftk (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4114
[01:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #4115: piuparts: merge new debian version Fix req. for: piuparts (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4115
[01:48] <crimsun> zakame: sure, I just need to file (and close) bugs for all these merges I've done, so it'll be a bit
[01:49] <zakame> crimsun: no problem, I can wait :) many thanks
[01:54] <StevenK> \sh: In relation to your latest blog post, I'm IRCing from a dual athlon. :-)
[02:06] <herve> morning
[02:06] <herve> (ouch, it's 2 in the evening!)
[02:06] <zakame> hi herve
[02:07] <zakame> 'tis 9 pm here in .ph
[02:07] <crimsun> 8am here ;-)
[02:08] <\sh> herve: 2 in the evening?
[02:08] <\sh> herve: you mean afternoon :)
[02:08] <herve> yay, english time naming sucks ;-)
[02:13] <azeem> herve: are you spanish?
[02:14] <herve> no, french
[02:14] <azeem> ah, ok
[02:14] <herve> my spanish is so far away
[02:15] <jpatrick> I speak Spanish
[02:19] <zakame> my old folks speak spanish, and they're trying to teach me
[02:20] <herve> you lucky
[02:20] <herve> I'd like to learn german that way
[02:20] <\sh> herve: kein problem :)
[02:21] <herve> not my parents but a german girlfriend ;-)
[02:21] <\sh> herve: I thought the language of love is well known in every part of our world...
[02:22] <herve> don't worry, I have plans ;-)
[02:22] <\sh> herve: lucky guy :)
[03:37] <bmonty> good morning everyone
[03:37] <jpatrick> morning
[03:37] <herve> hello
[03:37] <zakame> hey bmonty
[03:38] <zakame> how's the merging? :)
[03:38] <bmonty> I haven't had much time to play with it since last weekend
[03:39] <bmonty> I was going to try and clean up some of the packages that got uploaded last week
[03:40] <\sh> hey bmonty
[03:41] <bmonty> hi \sh
[03:42] <bmonty> if a package is failing to build because of build depends being broken, will it keep trying until the build succeeds?
[03:43] <\sh> bmonty: i think 2 or 3 times and then it has to be given back by buildd admin manually
[03:44] <bmonty> ok, there are several packages that were uploaded last week that were failing to build because of KDE depends
[03:44] <\sh> ah yes
[03:45] <\sh> I think next week when kde3.5 is stablized, they will have a mass give-back session
[03:45] <\sh> actually what u can do is test those failed packages against the new kdelibs
[03:46] <bmonty> will do
[03:46] <bmonty> also, are there some issues with the ia64 and amd64 buildds? They seem to be failing to fetch packages from the archives.
[03:47] <crimsun> mm malone boog.
[03:48] <\sh> yepp...some sideeffects..hope the buildd admins will sort them out...can be that there are also some problems with FTBFS packages for amd64 and ppc
[03:48] <\sh> crimsun: what?
[03:48] <\sh> package missin?
[03:48] <\sh> g
[03:48] <bmonty> \sh: I was looking for FTBFS, but the errors I am seeing are failing to fetch packages that I know exist
[03:49] <\sh> bmonty: then it's buildd issue...
[03:49] <bmonty> \sh: would you mind taking a quick look at a python script for me?
[03:49] <\sh> bmonty: can do
[03:49] <bmonty> http://www.montynet.org/UbuntuMirrorModule.py
[03:50] <bmonty> I'm having problems with the parsing function, it works for almost all the sections on the web page, but doesn't find any of the mirror listings for the last three countries in the list
[03:50] <bmonty> I can't figure out why it works for almost all the sections but fails on the last three
[03:50] <crimsun> \sh: malone doesn't think that libterralib is a valid source package name
[03:50] <\sh> crimsun: ah yes
[03:51] <\sh> crimsun: join #launchpad and ping kiko...he added some of the missing packages I had :)
[03:51] <crimsun> \sh: ok, thanks
[03:51] <\sh> crimsun: they didn't imported the new dapper packages until now
[03:52] <\sh> bmonty: last three?
[03:52] <\sh> bmonty: which ones?
[03:53] <bmonty> Turkey, United Kingdom, United States
[03:53] <bmonty> there formatting appears to be the same as the rest of the sections
[03:53] <bmonty> s/there/their
[03:55] <\sh> bmonty: two spaces between <p> and <a
[03:55] <\sh> bmonty: p_reg_mirror = re.compile("<li><p> <a href=\"(?P<proto>.*)://(?P<url>.*)\"><img src=\"/htdocs/ubuntu/img/u-www.png\" alt=\"\\[WWW\\] \" height=\"16\" width=\"16\"> [^<] .*</a> </p>")
[03:55] <\sh> is wrong
[03:56] <\sh> do a <li><p>\s+<a...
[03:56] <bmonty> \sh: nice catch
[03:56] <bmonty> thanks
[03:56] <\sh> bmonty: you're welcome
[03:57] <bmonty> I spent hours looking at that stupid bug last night, and I missed that space
[03:58] <\sh> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[03:58] <\sh>   imlib11-dev: Depends: libpng12-dev but it is not going to be installed
[03:58] <\sh> hmm?
[03:59] <azeem> try to install libpng12-dev and see if there is an issue, perhaps?
[04:00] <\sh> oh damn...I just read imlib11-dev is depending on imlib12-dev *lol*
[04:01] <\sh> in my dapper chroot it's ok...strange
[04:02] <zakame> crimsun, \sh : may I interrupt you a bit to check libmemcache in revu for me? I remember siretart or sispoty doing the build, but no reviews yet :(
[04:03] <crimsun> zakame: I'm still filing and closing merge bugs, and I still have to process the ones you requested above ;-)
[04:04] <zakame> crimsun: oh, sorry about that :( another time then :)
[04:05] <yosch> any you of pakaging gurus know why a change of section is my control file is not picked up? is that stored in a cache?
[04:05] <bmonty> yosch: did you rebuild the source package?
[04:05] <\sh> debuild ?
[04:06] <yosch> say upstream is freeing up something: a previously non-free section becomes free, why would the change not get picked up?
[04:06] <zakame> yosch: could you post a paste?
[04:06] <yosch> bmonty: yes rebuilding the source
[04:06] <zakame> err, post something to pastebin
[04:07] <yosch> well I have "Section: x11" instead of "Section: non-free/x11"
[04:07] <yosch> is there another place where this is set?
[04:08] <zakame> hmm, you have only one `Section:' on debian/control, right? or does each binary pkg have a `Section:'?
[04:09] <yosch> apt-cache and synaptic show the rest of the changed package metada fine but not the section
[04:09] <bmonty> malone #4574 is ready for review and upload
[04:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #4574: fam: merge new debian version Fix req. for: fam (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: Accepted http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4574
[04:09] <herve> isn't fam dead?
[04:09] <herve> in favor of gamin?
[04:09] <bmonty> herve: its in universe and there are people still using it
[04:09] <ogra> gamin doesnt work over nfs
[04:10] <herve> ok
[04:10] <zakame> but NEW pkgs should build with gamin right?
[04:10] <ogra> i.e. if your home is on nfs ...
[04:10] <ogra> yup
[04:10] <yosch> zakame: mm, there's only one Section: and one Package:
[04:12] <\sh> bmonty: fam debdiff is against debians fam package...as I understand it?
[04:12] <zakame> yosch: errr... what package is this?
[04:12] <bmonty> \sh: yes
[04:13] <zakame> hmmm, francine has a rather unique orig tarball... is this really a debian-native pkg?
[04:13] <\sh> bmonty: can u do a merge of the changelog files between our package and the debian package...when we leave the ubuntu versioning but merging debian we need to merge the changelogs as well...or sync
[04:14] <bmonty> \sh: ok, fam can't be synced
[04:14] <\sh> bmonty: then merge the changelog pls :)
[04:14] <yosch> zakame: I'm packaging the Gentium Unicode font (with the upstream will be released under a free license) and obsoleting the non-free http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/ttf-gentium
[04:15] <yosch> is the section cached somewhere?
[04:17] <zakame> hmm, prolly it is your package cache, it still has the previous version registered to it
[04:17] <yosch> OK, that's what I thought, so how do I re-initialize that cache?
[04:18] <yosch> btw, I showed the font and its license to the sabdfl last week, and he liked it :-D
[04:20] <yosch> of course, a dpkg --info *.deb shows the right section
[04:24] <bmonty> grr...now fam is FTBFS on dapper :(
[04:25] <\sh> lol
[04:25] <\sh> bmonty: because of what?
[04:26] <bmonty> DNotify.c++:126: error: 'realloc' was not declared in this scope
[04:26] <bmonty> same for 'free'
[04:26] <bmonty> I think there might be a patch in debian bts :)
[04:29] <zakame> err, I need help with francine, its source package seems to be... misversioned (if there ever is such a word)
[04:30] <herve> why would busybox continue to run after booting?
[04:31] <herve> and it is eating up cpu
[04:42] <herve_> ok, now I'm in "diagnosing memory leaks" mode
[04:44] <zakame> never mind francine, I just visited the debian source, it really has that version... I ought to ping the DD about renaming and turning as a non-native pkg
[04:51] <bmonty> \sh: I think I fixed fam :)
[04:53] <zakame> nightcap... please check malone 4766 sync, thanks, and good night!
[04:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #4766: francine: merge new debian version Fix req. for: francine (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: PendingUpload http://launchpad.net/malone/bugs/4766
[04:53] <Kyral> lol
[05:12] <yosch> alrigh my package's done, I'll submit in to Universe shortly, bye guys
[06:12] <siretart> hunger: I just reviewed your xen package: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=939
[06:23] <siretart> hi LaserJock
[06:24] <LaserJock> hi siretart
[06:25] <siretart> LaserJock: are there any problems with the motu-science list? I didn't see any post on it
[06:27] <LaserJock> siretart: well, that's because I've been busy with some other stuff
[06:27] <siretart> okay.
[06:27] <siretart> just tell me if you experience any problems
[06:28] <LaserJock> siretart: so far I was able to do the configuration and everythin ok. Really nice
[06:36] <LaserJock> anybody know what time dholbach is usually on?
[06:38] <ogra> main merges i guess
[06:39] <siretart> LaserJock: he was here until about lunchtime, I expect him back on monday
[06:42] <Riddell> siretart: about?
[06:42] <siretart> Riddell: huh?
[06:43] <LaserJock> hmm, ok. Do you know if he usually goes to the CC meetings. I was thinking of going for membership next meeting and I wondered if he would be there.
[06:43] <Riddell> siretart: ytannus here is trying something with revu but I'm not sure what
[06:44] <siretart> Riddell: intersting. where is he?
[06:44] <ytannus> hello!
[06:44] <ytannus> right here
[06:44] <siretart> ah, hi ytannus
[06:44] <ytannus> hi siretart
[06:44] <siretart> whats up?
[06:44] <ytannus> I can't login to http://revu.tauware.de, I got "login for user "ytannus" failed, please retry or recover"
[06:45] <Riddell> I'm not sure where ytannus got his password from and I recon he needs to be added to the keychain first
[06:46] <siretart> ytannus: did you already upload something to revu?
[06:46] <ytannus> riddell: I don't have password just I following the instruction at wiki.kubuntu.org/REVU
[06:46] <Riddell> ytannus: but you can't log in without a password
[06:47] <ytannus> it say: "After your first upload, you will be automatically registered to the database and assigned a random password."
[06:47] <Riddell> ytannus: are you logging in to ftp or the website?
[06:48] <ytannus> some minutes ago I put 2 packages into ftp://ncftp revu.tauware.de/incoming using anonymous account
[06:48] <ytannus> by the way, can you remove those packages... are not signed
[06:48] <siretart> ytannus: please only upload with dput
[06:49] <siretart> ytannus: and please no binary .debs. We cannot review .debs, only source packages
[06:50] <ytannus> aah, understood....hmm, my main idea was upload debs.. :(
[06:50] <siretart> ytannus: on your first accepted upload an account will be created for you. then you can recover your password
[06:50] <siretart> ytannus: no, we cannot upload .debs to ubuntu. everything is compiled from source
[06:50] <ytannus> perfect, so no more debs :) , I will take a look to the bugs then...
[06:50] <ytannus> thanks for your time
[06:50] <siretart> nm
[06:51] <ytannus> thanks riddell
[06:52] <Riddell> ytannus: you'll get your key into revu and upload source then?
[06:52] <ytannus> i will try...
[06:53] <ytannus> I sen my key to keyring@tiber.tauware.de some minutes ago... I will spect the answer...
[06:53] <Riddell> groovy
[06:54] <siretart> ytannus: what is your keyid?
[06:54] <ytannus> hmm, I have a question, if I can only upload sources, then I can upload only my own applications, right?
[06:54] <ytannus> 0xB9CF1A97
[06:54] <Riddell> ytannus: no, upload anyone's so long as it's Free Software
[06:55] <siretart> gpgkeys: key B9CF1A97 not found on keyserver
[06:55] <siretart> ytannus: please upload your key to keyring.ubuntu.com
[06:55] <ytannus> do you know some good tutorial to start to create kde application?
[06:55] <siretart> kde.org has a lot of tutorials, I remember
[06:56] <ytannus> siretart: ok....
[06:56] <ytannus> gpg: sending key B9CF1A97 to hkp server keyring.ubuntu.com
[06:56] <ytannus> ?: keyring.ubuntu.com: Host not found
[06:56] <ytannus> gpgkeys: unable to connect to `keyring.ubuntu.com'
[06:56] <ytannus> :S
[06:56] <siretart> argl
[06:56] <siretart> its keyserver.ubuntu.com
[06:56] <siretart> sorry
[06:56] <ytannus> ;)
[06:57] <ytannus> gpg: sending key B9CF1A97 to hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
[06:57] <ytannus> done
[06:58] <ytannus> Reinhard Tartler?
[06:59] <siretart> yes, thats me
[06:59] <ytannus> wel, thank's for your help...
[06:59] <siretart> ytannus: you can proceed with uploading now
[07:00] <ytannus> forst I have to learn how to create kde apps :)
[07:00] <Riddell> ytannus: you have the packages, just debuild -S  and dput revu foo.changes
[07:00] <Riddell> siretart: could you change the revu comment form to a POST instead of a GET?
[07:01] <ytannus> hmmm... what abot only sources uploads?
[07:01] <ytannus> I'm confused :(
[07:01] <Riddell> ytannus: debuild -S will only make the source packages (which == a .diff file a .orig file and a .dsc file)
[07:01] <Riddell> actually debuild -S -sa  is needed to get the .orig uploaded
[07:02] <ytannus> ops, I thought that -S was for -Signed :D... rtfm rules
[07:03] <Riddell> it will sign unless you tell it not to, so long as it can find gpg and a kay matching the name and e-mail in the top changelog entry
[07:03] <siretart> Riddell: hm, I think I encountered problems with that
[07:03] <Riddell> siretart: well don't if it's any bother, but it's been annoying me for ages :)
[07:04] <siretart> Riddell: me, too, believe me..
[07:07] <ytannus> :( bad luck: dpkg -S kurses_0.1-1_i386.deb
[07:07] <ytannus> dpkg: *kurses_0.1-1_i386.deb* not found.
[07:07] <ogra> -S is for files, not for packages ...
[07:08] <ogra> it finds the package to a file
[07:08] <ytannus> :)
[07:08] <ytannus> thanks
[07:08] <ogra> dpkg -S /etc/nanorc for example give you nano
[07:09] <ytannus> really is hard to find a compete howto....
[07:10] <Riddell> ytannus: make notes of the stuff you didn't find documentation for and add it to the appropriate wiki pages
[07:10] <siretart> most howto's I've read are really really verbose ;)
[07:10] <ytannus> riddell: I was thinking in that way
[07:11] <ytannus> siretart: :)
[07:12] <\sh> siretart: are you breaking avifile?
[07:13] <LaserJock> ytannus: you might try doc.ubuntu.com. It has a new (aka work in progress) packaging guide.
[07:13] <siretart> \sh: I think I've given enough time to ubuntu-devel to object
[07:14] <\sh> siretart: please provide a list of packages which will need some rebuild love
[07:15] <\sh> somehow I'm tired:)
[07:15] <siretart> \sh: if you insist on it, sure. But I think we should rather focus on minimizing the diff to debian
[07:16] <\sh> siretart: no it's ok with me :) but we need to make sure to have not a big list of unmet deps after UVF
[07:16] <\sh> siretart: I don't want to bring in new upstream stuff after UVF ( if I can avoid it )
[07:16] <siretart> \sh: thats the reason why I wanted that upload this week, but I was a bit unhappy that nobody replied to that email
[07:17] <siretart> \sh: how much time to UVF from now?
[07:17] <\sh>  14
[07:17] <\sh> 
[07:17] <\sh> January 19th
[07:17] <\sh> 
[07:17] <\sh> 
[07:17] <\sh> /!\ UpstreamVersionFreeze
[07:17] <\sh> argl
[07:17] <ogra> ~6 weeks to go
[07:17] <siretart> ok, so we still have some time
[07:19] <ytannus> I'm preparing my own howto:
[07:19] <ytannus> 1.- Install dput:
[07:19] <ytannus> 	sudo apt-get install dput
[07:19] <ytannus> 2.- Upload your publick key to keyserver.ubuntu.com
[07:19] <ytannus> 	2.1.- open kgpg
[07:19] <ytannus> 	2.2.- add keyserver.ubuntu.com to your server list and set it as default server
[07:19] <ytannus> 		Menu: Settings->Configure Kgpg->Key Servers
[07:19] <ytannus> 	2.3.- upload your public key
[07:19] <ytannus> 		Select you public key and go to	Menu: Keys->Export public keys, choose default key server and hit ok
[07:19] <ytannus> 3.- Got to your sources dir and execute
[07:19] <ytannus> 	debuild -S
[07:19] <ytannus> ytannus@leoncio:~/tmp/kurses$ debuild -S .
[07:19] <ytannus> debuild: fatal error at line 521:
[07:19] <ytannus> :)
[07:20] <Riddell> ytannus: no need for a "."
[07:20] <Riddell> debuild -S -sa
[07:20] <Riddell> run that inside the source
[07:20] <ytannus> I'm in sources dir...
[07:20] <ytannus> debuild -S -sa
[07:20] <ytannus> debuild: fatal error at line 521:
[07:20] <ytannus> cannot find readable debian/changelog anywhere!
[07:20] <ytannus> Are you in the source code tree?
[07:21] <ytannus> answer: yes I'm
[07:21] <ytannus> :(
[07:21] <Riddell> the sources dir should have the upstream version number in it  kurses-1.2.3
[07:21] <Riddell> do you have a debian/changelog file?
[07:21] <ytannus> question, I'm using kubuntu after use mandrake... I remember that in mandrake I had to create a spec file... there is something similir for debs?
[07:22] <ytannus> no "debian/changelog"
[07:22] <Amaranth> sort of
[07:22] <Riddell> spec files are for RPMs.  debs have debian/rules debian/control and other files
[07:22] <Riddell> how did you make the .debs if you don't know that already?
[07:22] <ytannus> I know... just asking
[07:23] <ytannus> riddell: checkinstall... I told you
[07:23] <ytannus> :)
[07:23] <Riddell> what's checkinstall?
[07:23] <ytannus> NAME
[07:23] <ytannus>        checkinstall  generate packages by tracking installation scripts
[07:23] <Amaranth> dirty thing that does a fake make install then make a package out of the results
[07:23] <ytannus> cd souces
[07:23] <ytannus> sudo checkinstall
[07:23] <Riddell> oh, scary
[07:23] <ytannus> ooohh ;)
[07:24] <Riddell> ok ytannus, your task for today is learning real debian packaging!
[07:24] <Amaranth> we need ubotu here :)
[07:24] <ytannus> riddell: you are right...
[07:25] <Riddell> find the program's sources, make a .orig tar from them, run dh_make and it'll make a debian/ directory with lots of .ex example files in it
[07:26] <ytannus> well sirs, really thanks for your help.... now I understand better what I need to do to be a contributor....
[07:27] <Riddell> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuPackagingGuide  is worth reading
[07:27] <ytannus> yes, I was there...
[07:27] <ytannus> thnx
[07:28] <Riddell> and get back to me if you have any questions or don't understand anything
[07:28] <ytannus> thanks... I will...
[07:28] <ytannus> bye
[07:28] <LaserJock> crap he left
[07:28] <LaserJock> I was just going to ask him some questions
[07:29] <Riddell> well he's keen at least :)
[07:29] <LaserJock> I am working on a packaging guide
[07:29] <Riddell> I'm sure he'll come back
[07:30] <LaserJock> I have something that Unfrgiven did on doc.ubuntu.com
[07:33] <siretart> slomo_: strong words from dominik, huh?
[07:34] <LaserJock> btw, it would be nice to get some feedback on the packaging guide ;-)
[07:35] <slomo_> siretart: yes, i ignored his tone and answered it ;) i hope i get further time packaging mplayer correctly... and we will get a stripped tarball, i see no other way to drop some of the explosive stuff in it ;)
[07:39] <siretart> slomo_: did you contact the dd working on packages for debian?
[07:39] <slomo_> siretart: not yet... give me a 48h day and i do it =)
[07:40] <siretart> ;)
[07:41] <ogra> slomo_, just get a fast jet and travel through the timezones during the day ... its not full 48h then, but a lot more time for one day ;)
[07:42] <slomo_> siretart: but i'll write him now... the problems seems to become more acute now ;)
[07:44] <siretart> slomo_: who did dominik you contact exactly?
[07:45] <slomo_> siretart: you mean 'why'? because he read my and nafallo's name in our changelog... marillat is on CC too
[07:45] <siretart> so you 3, okay
[07:50] <siretart> slomo_: I'm glad that even upstream suggests linking libavcodec statically to mplayer
[07:51] <slomo_> siretart: everybody should do this imho... would save us millions of problems with ffmpeg
[07:51] <slomo_> siretart: (i mean shipping a libavcodec version)
[08:02] <Riddell> ytannus just e-mailed me with a pointed towards this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=51003
[08:02] <Riddell> docs on forums are evil
[08:06] <LaserJock> hmm, interesting
[08:06] <ogra> woah ...
[08:07] <siretart> ph3ar
[08:08] <\sh> hammer
[08:08] <\sh> aeh...
[08:09] <slomo_> wtf... what is this strace stuff good for?
[08:12] <tseng> slomo_: its great
[08:12] <\sh> anyone know where xfvb-run disappeared?
[08:13] <tseng> it shows you ever system call
[08:13] <tseng> if you are running it on a large multithreaded gui app though, pretty useless
[08:13] <slomo_> tseng: i know what strace does... but i don't know why this guys uses it to get all dependencies of one applications through configure ;)
[08:13] <tseng> slomo_: tell hm about ldd?
[08:17] <LaserJock> man, that thread gets scarier as it goes along
[08:17] <Treenaks> LaserJock: that's nothing
[08:18] <Treenaks> LaserJock: if you want scary, look at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66563
[08:21] <BearPerson> anyone around that can share some experience with making ppc installer CDs?
[08:22] <LaserJock> Treenaks: 95 pages, holy cow! Although I use a bash script similar to that for reinstalling
[08:23] <Treenaks> LaserJock: still, it doesn't break the systems of hundreds of new people
[08:24] <LaserJock> Treenaks: yeah, internal consumption only ;-)
[08:50] <Diablo-D3> hey guys
[08:51] <Diablo-D3> is there some reason that jack apps in dapper havent been converted to libjack0.100-0 yet?
[08:54] <\sh> Diablo-D3: uh...bad...wanna jump in and change it?
[08:54] <Diablo-D3> \sh: last time I noticed ubuntu doesnt accept non-motu uploads.
[08:55] <\sh> Diablo-D3: u can 1. file a bug in malone for universe packages or 2. file a bug in bugzilla for main packages, then 3. provide a debdiff of the change, and a statement that you build the package successfully and tested it
[08:55] <\sh> and 4. we can upload to ubuntu
[08:56] <\sh> Diablo-D3: in your name...you can then document your work on your wikipage and start becoming a member of ubuntu and later on a motu
[08:56] <\sh> Diablo-D3: easy, isn't it?
[08:56] <Diablo-D3> \sh: not really, no.
[08:57] <\sh> Diablo-D3: then you have to wait until we finished the other work, like merges and transitions
[08:57] <Diablo-D3> \sh: no, I can just build the package myself.
[08:57] <Diablo-D3> but that doesnt help anyone else.
[08:58] <\sh> Diablo-D3: so you don't want to help others, only yourself?
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> see above comment.
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> btw, \sh, this isnt a c++ transition issue
[08:58] <\sh> Diablo-D3: it is a transition
[08:58] <\sh> from libjack0.80.0 to libjack0.100.0
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> a transition of which is not related to c++, sure.
[08:59] <ajmitch> a lot of our transitions are not c++, so why raise the c++ issue?
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> ajmitch: because thats whats going on now?
[08:59] <ajmitch> that's only part of what is going on now
[08:59] <Diablo-D3> at any rate
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> I'd provide a patch soon as someone tells me how to properly edit the changelog and stuff
[09:01] <\sh> Diablo-D3: debian new maintainer guide -> read it :) then man dch then man debdiff then man debuild then http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResource
[09:01] <siretart> Diablo-D3: what package are you talking about?
[09:01] <\sh> or the other way around..but debian new maintainer guide first
[09:01] <Diablo-D3> \sh: no such wiki page
[09:01] <Diablo-D3> siretart: ardour-gtk and xmms-jack
[09:01] <\sh> sorry DeveloperResources
[09:01] <ajmitch> morning siretart :)
[09:02] <Diablo-D3> and debian's ardour is already being built with jack .100
[09:02] <\sh> aeh
[09:02] <\sh> Diablo-D3: hmmm
[09:02] <siretart> huhu ajmitch
[09:02] <\sh> Build-Depends: cdbs (>= 0.4.23-1.1), build-essential, autotools-dev, quilt, patchutils (>= 0.2.25), cdbs (>= 0.4.27-1), debhelper (>= 4.1.0), scons, dh-buildinfo, libgdbm-dev, libsigc++-dev (>= 1.0.4-9.1), libxml2-dev (>= 2.5.7), libncurses5-dev, libasound2-dev (>= 0.9.4), libsndfile1-dev, libsamplerate0-dev, liblrdf0-dev (>= 0.3.1-4), ladspa-sdk (>= 1.1-2), libjack0.100.0-dev, libsoundtouch1-dev (>= 1.2.1-6), libgtkmm-dev (>= 1.2.10-7), lib
[09:02] <\sh>  gettext, cvs,
[09:02] <\sh> netbase (>= 4.13)
[09:02] <\sh> these are the build deps of ardour and ardour-gtk (which is the result of the package building process of ardour)
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> the only reason Im even asking is because apt-get keeps reminding me I cant upgrade ardour because Im using debian's jack-100
[09:03] <\sh> Diablo-D3: aha...so it's not ubuntus fault
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> its easy to edit the build depsand change them to jack-100
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> \sh: not quite, ubuntu ships jack .100 now
[09:03] <\sh> Diablo-D3: and as I said, we are in the middle of the work
[09:04] <ajmitch> \sh: no, ardour ftbfs at the moment
[09:04] <\sh> you should use breezy which is marked as stable
[09:04] <\sh> ajmitch: yes...I know :) I merged it :)
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> \sh: why should I use breezy?
[09:04] <ajmitch> uh oh ;)
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> thats like saying "you should use windows"
[09:04] <Diablo-D3> or something else nonsensical.
[09:04] <\sh> Diablo-D3: because dapper has to be broken by any rule
[09:05] <Diablo-D3> \sh: so?
[09:05] <\sh> Diablo-D3: don't expect it to work as a production system
[09:05] <Diablo-D3> \sh: you say that like it means something.
[09:05] <Diablo-D3> \sh: when did I say I was using it as a production system?!
[09:06] <\sh> Diablo-D3: honest: it nerves when everybody comes here and rant about this and that not working...and holding us up from important work on the packages...we know it's broken, and we will fix it...
[09:06] <Diablo-D3> \sh: and it gets on my nerves everytime you say this shit.
[09:06] <\sh> Diablo-D3: it nerves more, if those people ranting don't want to help..
[09:06] <Diablo-D3> I've probably been running an unstable debian-based distro longer than you've even known what Linux is
[09:07] <\sh> Diablo-D3: and I think all others will agree with me
[09:07] <Diablo-D3> so dont you dare talk down to me.
[09:07] <siretart> please, calm down
[09:07] <siretart> Diablo-D3: we know that dapper is quite broken at this time
[09:08] <siretart> Diablo-D3: if you want to help us, please file malone bugs
[09:08] <Diablo-D3> siretart: afaik there are bugs filed on this already
[09:09] <siretart> Diablo-D3: bugnr?
[09:09] <BearPerson> usually, bugs get fixed faster when people volunteer to fix them, not when people complain about them... at least that's been my experience
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> siretart: not mine.
[09:09] <siretart> Diablo-D3: why not?
[09:09] <Diablo-D3> siretart: someone beat me. ;)
[09:10] <siretart> Diablo-D3: beat him back
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> er?
[09:10] <Diablo-D3> siretart: why should I be the first to report abug?
[09:11] <\sh>  /ignore Diablo-D3 kthxbye
[09:11] <ogra> Diablo-D3, because it obviously annoys you ?
[09:11] <Diablo-D3> BearPerson: Im not joining motu, of thats what you're asking.
[09:11] <Diablo-D3> ogra: "me toos" are not really welcome, you know.
[09:11] <siretart> Diablo-D3: why not?
[09:12] <ogra> Diablo-D3, annouying others with your annoyance wont get you anywhere
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> did I accidently log on the bizzaro internet?
[09:12] <ogra> Diablo-D3, filing a bug will
[09:12] <BearPerson> quite the reverse, actually
[09:12] <BearPerson> s/reverse/opposite/
[09:12] <Diablo-D3> BearPerson: about your request for me to join motu, I'd rather not.
[09:13] <siretart> Diablo-D3: why not?
[09:13] <BearPerson> I never said that
[09:13] <BearPerson> I'm just saying complaining tends to slow things down rather than anything else, while working on it speeds it up
[09:13] <Diablo-D3> Sadly, thats one of the things ubuntu inherited from debian it shouldnt have =/
[09:14] <BearPerson> but then again, I'm from an unrelated group, so I probably don't know anything
[09:14] <Diablo-D3> BearPerson: 'in here' means this channel?
[09:14] <Diablo-D3> read other irc channels and the mls
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> debian has been far worse, but ubuntu has it too
[09:15] <Diablo-D3> and thats not something I really want to get involved in
[09:15] <siretart> Diablo-D3: please. we have really a lot of work to do. if you want to help us, please file bugs about things you see. trolling does NOT help us
[09:16] <BearPerson> actually, I just came here hoping someone could help me out with the weird behavior of my ppc installer CDs
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> BearPerson: try #ubuntu
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> BearPerson: this isnt a help channel.
[09:16] <Kyral> or #ubuntuforums
[09:16] <ogra> Diablo-D3, i have no idea what youre talking about but it seems *very* offtopic foruniverse packaging
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> siretart: I help ubuntu, just in other ways, ones that dont require me actually dealing with politics.
[09:16] <BearPerson> well, I'm making installer CDs, not using them... so it sounds like more a dev than a user/support question
[09:16] <Diablo-D3> siretart: like, I run #ubuntu-laptop, so the laptop team has a home on irc.
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> BearPerson: ahh.
[09:17] <BearPerson> I'm trying to find some community knowledge about common pitfalls in that area
[09:17] <Kyral> Diablo-D3: you say you run Ubuntu-Laptop?
[09:17] <siretart> Diablo-D3: filing bugs is not about policits.
[09:17] <Diablo-D3> Kyral: the channel, yes.
[09:17] <siretart> Diablo-D3: YOU are trolling this channel since 15min. please stop that
[09:18] <Diablo-D3> BearPerson: because I registered it?
[09:19] <Diablo-D3> BearPerson: its not an official ubuntu channel.
[09:19] <Diablo-D3> ........
[09:19] <Diablo-D3> BearPerson: why cause problems?
[09:19] <BearPerson> but never mind me, I don't know a thing about how things work around here
[09:20] <Diablo-D3> mjg59 has no problem with it, and hes the head of the ubuntu-laptop project.
[09:37] <siretart> finally..
[09:38] <ogra> sigh
[09:39] <siretart> I was close to kick him..
[09:39] <ogra> feel free next time he does this ...
[09:40] <siretart> I will..
[09:40] <ogra> you got my full support
[09:40] <\sh> ajmitch: ardour needs a give back
[09:40] <\sh> hey this person is really annoying...
[09:41] <\sh> Kyral: and believe me..this is a long time...
[09:41] <Kyral> huh?
[09:41] <\sh> Kyral: even if he tells you otherwise in #ubuntu-laptop
[09:41] <LaserJock> I have seen him do this like 3 times since I've been hanging out here, very annoying
[09:41] <Kyral> wha?
[09:41] <siretart> never mind, he is gone
[09:41] <Kyral> that Diablo guy?
[09:42] <siretart> how could he guess it?
[09:42] <siretart> ;)
[09:42] <siretart> ;)
[09:42] <Kyral> my laptop just got a boottime of under 30 secs
[09:42] <Kyral> in Dapper
[09:42] <ogra> cool
[09:43] <\sh> OH NO
[09:43] <Kyral> I didn't get a bootchart of it because BootChart segfaulted
[09:43] <ogra> probably this sped you up *g*
[09:43] <Kyral> lol
[09:43] <siretart> \sh: whats up?
[09:43] <Kyral> but it scared me
[09:43] <\sh> I uploaded now gdal with cxx new allocator renaming but without merging
[09:43] <\sh> ARGL
[09:43] <Kyral> the first thing I see is "Segmentation Fault"
[09:44] <\sh> grmpf...again
[09:45] <\sh> because I was somewhere else with my thoughts...
[09:45] <\sh> near to go out and punch someone
[09:45] <slomo_> ok, now some time for merging :)
[09:46] <\sh> Kyral: not u
[09:46] <Kyral> I know
[09:46] <Kyral> just trying to be comical
[09:51] <\sh> could be that I'm worked too much...
[09:51] <Kyral> maybe
[09:51] <\sh> oh and my english is just to b0rked
[09:52] <\sh> and no..he's starting now in #kubuntu-devel
[09:52] <Kyral> what? About install thingys?
[09:53] <ogra> no, about politics i guess
[09:54] <ogra> \sh, set him on ignore ...
[09:54] <\sh> I should stop for now...downloading some porn and wank...really
[09:55] <Kyral> Hey this is cool, when did Ubuntu Package Search get added to Firefox's search bar?
[09:56] <\sh> but actually..i don't know where to download
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> if anyone cares, ardour-gtk 0.99-3ubunt1 builds as is
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> no patches are needed
[10:09] <siretart> Diablo-D3: no, it needs adjusted build dependencies. And please file a bug next time
[10:11] <\sh> siretart: it's merged already to use libjack0.100.0 it needs a give-back
[10:11] <\sh> siretart: that'
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> siretart: ....?
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> no, it builds as is.
[10:11] <\sh> s all...i merged it
[10:11] <Diablo-D3> I just built it.
[10:11] <\sh> Diablo-D3: the source is already in the archives
[10:12] <Diablo-D3> siretart: and a bug has already been filed.
[10:12] <\sh> Diablo-D3: it's just ... not ... build ... because ... of ... archive ... breakage ... and ...  now ... it ... needs ... a ... give-back...
[10:12] <Diablo-D3> seeya
[10:13] <\sh> b.s.a.d
[10:13] <siretart> b.s.a.d?
[10:20] <Riddell> siretart: it means "i love you" in \sh language
[10:20] <Kyral> lol
[10:21] <\sh> well..actually it means.."I love and hug you so hard that you magically go away" ,)
[10:21] <siretart> I see..
[10:21] <siretart> \sh: I love you, too *g*
[10:21] <\sh> prust
[10:24] <seth_k|lappy> siretart, while you are handy: I used to use the e-mail seth@sethkinast.com on REVU. Now I use seth@ubuntu.com (which has the same GPG fingerprint because they are two IDs on the same key). But REVU will not give me a password for seth@ubuntu.com ( http://revu.tauware.de/lostpw.py?email=seth@ubuntu.com )... can you help me? I have uploaded a package using seth@ubuntu.com.
[10:25] <siretart> thats odd.. hmm
[10:25] <siretart> broken pipe, eh?
[10:25] <seth_k|lappy> my guess is that the problem is that they both use the same GPG fingerprint
[10:29] <siretart> seth_k|lappy: not quite
[10:29] <siretart> seth_k|lappy: it is because you added that uid after I imported your key
[10:29] <seth_k|lappy> ah, ok
[10:29] <seth_k|lappy> just needed a key refresh?
[10:29] <siretart> seth_k|lappy: try again, I refreshed the keyrung
[10:29] <siretart> keyring
[10:29] <seth_k|lappy> yes, it works now :)
[10:30] <seth_k|lappy> thank you for your help
[10:30] <siretart> no matter
[10:48] <lfittl> anybody here who could review one of my packages in revu?
[10:49] <lfittl> (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1004)
[10:50] <slomo_> lfittl: name the package after the soname, not the version
[10:51] <lfittl> you mean I should rename it to libcafix0?
[10:52] <slomo_> lfittl: oh no, it's alright it seems
[10:52] <lfittl> :)
[10:53] <slomo_> lfittl: but better make the -dev package without version
[10:55] <slomo_> lfittl: development files in () in the short description of the -dev package
[10:55] <lfittl> anything else before I upload it again?
[10:56] <slomo_> lfittl: not yet ;) but i'm not finished
[10:56] <lfittl> k, just tell me when you are done :)
[10:57] <Kyral> if no one minds could someone review EasyChem?
[10:57] <slomo_> lfittl: remove the symlink you created in clean
[10:59] <lfittl> slomo_: If I add a clean/libcafix0.1:: section, is the autotools clean still called?
[11:00] <slomo_> yes
[11:00] <lfittl> :)
[11:02] <slomo_> and it ftbfs... it tries to install in /usr and not in debian/tmp
[11:03] <slomo_> anyway... i'll take a closer look tomorrow... headache :(
[11:03] <lfittl> you mean the dh_install dir at the end should be debian/tmp/usr/.. instead?
[11:03] <lfittl> sry for that :/
[11:03] <slomo_> no... somewhere in the Makefiles
[11:04] <Kyral> doesn't rules normally set PREFIX to the right thing?
[11:04] <slomo_> normally... but these Makefiles don't care about that ;)
[11:04] <Kyral> unless you put it in there
[11:05] <slomo_> well... see you tomorrow :) gn8
[11:05] <Kyral> cya
[11:05] <lfittl> gn8
[11:05] <siretart> lol: Nov 26 22:44:10 freiburg sshd[23650] : Failed password for illegal user hitler from 65.167.60.74 port 60416 ssh2
[11:05] <Kyral> lol
[11:05] <Kyral> where does the IP trace to?
[11:06] <siretart> adsl_corporativo16760-74.etb.net.co
[11:06] <siretart> *shrug*
[11:06] <slomo_> siretart: congrats :P hitler tried to hack you, you're famous now ;)
[11:06] <Kyral> It would funnier if it traced out to Germany :P
[11:06] <siretart> the server is in germany
[11:07] <Kyral> ah :P
[11:07] <Kyral> I don't know the geographic locations of IPBlocks off the top of my head
[11:17] <\sh> so ...waiting now
[11:17] <\sh> 2 pbuilder is enough
[11:20] <siretart> \sh: why did my beep-media-player not build yet?
[11:21] <siretart> \sh: I see your gdal upload got just built
[11:24] <\sh> siretart: the first upload was wrong
[11:24] <\sh> siretart: i forget to merge...the second one is the right onw
[11:24] <\sh> one even
[11:25] <siretart> \sh: yes, but I wonder why your upload got build before my upload
[11:26] <siretart> \sh: I uploaded before you
[11:26] <\sh> siretart: well..this depends
[11:26] <siretart> on what? wind direction?
[11:26] <siretart> tide?
[11:26] <\sh> dunno...check the dapper.i386 list?
[11:26] <\sh> universe/sound/beep-media-player_0.9.7.1+cvs20050803-1ubuntu2: Installed by buildd+terranova [optional:out-of-date] 
[11:27] <siretart> so it is 'out-of-date'. huh?
[11:27] <\sh> hmm..no..it should be installed...
[11:28] <siretart> err
[11:29] <siretart> it has been build all the time, but http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/buildlogs/ failed to notice that
[11:29] <siretart> ogra: how can that be?
[11:29] <siretart> ogra: never mind, I'm silly. sorry
[11:30] <\sh> siretart: have a look here
[11:30] <\sh> siretart: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/g/gdome2-xslt/0.0.7-1ubuntu1/gdome2-xslt_0.0.7-1ubuntu1_20051126-2149-powerpc-failed.gz
[11:31] <\sh> siretart: pbuilder ok ... but not chroot and not buildd
[11:31] <ogra> (in firefox)
[11:32] <siretart> ogra: it also helps typing the correct search string
[11:32] <siretart> :/
[11:32] <ogra> heh, yes
[11:55] <\sh> \sh: !STOP