| littlepaul | bluefrog-10, ogra is next week also in Essen; maby we can talk about your script | 12:05 |
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| bluefrog-10 | up to u, glad if it can help... | 12:07 |
| littlepaul | juliux, still here? | 12:07 |
| bluefrog-10 | littlepaul, hum am running the samba-ldap installation right now on my new server, have fiidled with a user input stuff and i poopooed, am going to change it and will send you the working script by mail.. | 12:10 |
| littlepaul | great | 12:10 |
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| bluefrog-10 | littlepaul, by the way my samba-ldap script works on a normal eud/ubuntu not a server install (too many things not installed by a server installation..) | 12:23 |
| littlepaul | this is a good hint because juliux has a server install and we have in Essen just his server; nevertheless I will talk about this script :) | 12:25 |
| bluefrog-10 | the problem with the server install is that it's missing (amongst other things) too many perl stuff to my taste and as most of people will install anyway a complete edubuntu/ubuntu (at least teacher) I made it simple for me.. | 12:27 |
| littlepaul | :) | 12:27 |
| bluefrog-10 | now you could have a look what it does (samba-ldap) on a server install, am still interested in the output.. | 12:27 |
| bluefrog-10 | k have corrected the stuff, samb-ldap runnning ok (so far) on my new server.. sending you the corrected sh | 12:28 |
| littlepaul | if we have the change to test it - I'll inform you; thx again | 12:29 |
| bluefrog-10 | littlepaul btw do you know anything about /etc/skel (by anything i mean more than theory..)? | 12:30 |
| littlepaul | sorry, I didn't played yet with /etc/skel - also just theory... | 12:31 |
| bluefrog-10 | k | 12:32 |
| bluefrog-10 | last thing am not that worried about my script on a server install cause someone who makes a server install would have little interest i think in an automation script ... | 12:34 |
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| littlepaul | you could be right but such a script is maby for schools administrators with less knowledge very interesting | 12:36 |
| bluefrog-10 | that was my purpose indeed. | 12:37 |
| littlepaul | atm I'm writing a short faq in german about edubuntu; more or less a resume from the answers that I read in the logs of the last weeks | 12:37 |
| bluefrog-10 | schools or small companies with a computer litterate guy but not too much litterate.. | 12:37 |
| littlepaul | :) | 12:38 |
| bluefrog-10 | or without too much time. my script enables samba-ldap in 1 minute (from the time all packages are downloaded). It just needs a reboot to be fully working (reboot is not compulsory but i forgot to implement I think a restart of sudo or pam or ssh, can't remember which...) | 12:40 |
| bluefrog-10 | will do when have time in front of me | 12:41 |
| littlepaul | do yo work atm also on other things? | 12:42 |
| bluefrog-10 | unfortunately no, need to find a job cause i have no more money and a kid to feed... | 12:42 |
| littlepaul | I understand.. | 12:44 |
| bluefrog-10 | i have put much effort in that cause one of the only way (if i want to stay in computer business) for me is to open my own service company, so i needed to be able to service people in linux (am coming from windows admin world...) | 12:45 |
| littlepaul | this is quite right; Personally I'm working also in the windows world and linux will be essential in future | 12:47 |
| bluefrog-10 | essential well maybe not but when you have no money to put in front to buy freking machines that all comes with windows, yes :) | 12:48 |
| bluefrog-10 | and i don't know about germany but in france margin on a computer is around 8%. | 12:49 |
| bluefrog-10 | don't make a leaving with 8% except if you have big customers, but big customers means big computer command... vicious circle... | 12:50 |
| littlepaul | sure :/ | 12:51 |
| bluefrog-10 | everything will be alright as soon as i win the lottery, note for myself, should not forget everyweek to play the lottery... | 12:52 |
| bluefrog-10 | k time to hit the sac, gutte nacht | 12:53 |
| littlepaul | gute Nacht and thx for your time | 12:54 |
| bluefrog-10 | welcome... | 12:54 |
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| ^eniac^ | hi all, I have one question... | 08:07 |
| ^eniac^ | From where I can get the edubuntu source code? | 08:07 |
| ^eniac^ | I want to make one small distribution... | 08:07 |
| ^eniac^ | Education distribution - for bulgarian students and schools... | 08:08 |
| spacey | maybe look at making a derivative docs at ubuntu.com | 08:13 |
| spacey | why is edubuntu itself nog suitable? | 08:13 |
| ^eniac^ | I don't know... witch is better? | 08:16 |
| spacey | what do you mean? | 08:17 |
| spacey | and what are your needs | 08:17 |
| ^eniac^ | livecd distribution | 08:17 |
| ^eniac^ | sorry, my english is verry bad... | 08:18 |
| spacey | afaik its not too hard to make a customized live cd | 08:18 |
| spacey | but i have no experience on it myself, but there is probably some documentation | 08:18 |
| ^eniac^ | from where? | 08:19 |
| ^eniac^ | I am a bug lamer.... | 08:19 |
| spacey | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo?highlight=%28build%29%7C%28livecd%29 | 08:19 |
| ^eniac^ | big | 08:19 |
| ^eniac^ | 10x | 08:19 |
| spacey | goodluck | 08:20 |
| spacey | i'm off to work | 08:20 |
| spacey | bb | 08:20 |
| ^eniac^ | ok, np. but i want the souce code. sorry... for the last time... | 08:21 |
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| ^eniac^ | I want to upgrade my bios and I need to restart (for window$). bye ... | 08:23 |
| spacey | that dude doesn't speak english at all, he just types some english words :D | 08:24 |
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| lucasvo | hi | 11:13 |
| juliux | hi lucasvo | 11:13 |
| lucasvo | is there any iBook support for ltsp? | 11:40 |
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| juliux | hi Yagisan | 12:49 |
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| Lord_Athur | pi | 02:12 |
| aeon17x | Does edubuntu have GNU Paint installed by default? | 02:15 |
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| thak | does anyone know how to force a thinclient to a specific resolution? i've tried the X_MODE_x commands, and they don't seem to work... | 02:45 |
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| pc22 | hello? | 03:53 |
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| littlepaul | hi ogra; your opinion about http://www.110-support.de/edubuntu_german.odt | 03:57 |
| Yagisan | re | 04:02 |
| Yagisan | G'day juliux | 04:02 |
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| juliux | Yagisan, that was an great reactiontime | 04:04 |
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| Yagisan | juliux: yeah - I left myself logged in, then went to do "Dad stuff" | 04:10 |
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| juliux | Yagisan, hehe | 04:11 |
| Yagisan | juliux: Still doing the dad thing, my son is sitting on my lap being introduced to IRC :) | 04:12 |
| juliux | Yagisan, that is quite good | 04:13 |
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| juliux | Yagisan, don't show him the evil windows | 04:13 |
| Yagisan | juliux: I don't have windows around anymore | 04:14 |
| juliux | Yagisan, very good | 04:14 |
| juliux | Yagisan, i also don't have a windows in my pcs | 04:14 |
| Yagisan | juliux: I'm updating my repo tonight - 2.2GB to be updated! | 04:14 |
| juliux | Yagisan, good luck | 04:15 |
| Yagisan | juliux: I think I might be getting a mirror for it soon | 04:15 |
| juliux | Yagisan, fortunately i have the german mirror in my lan | 04:16 |
| juliux | it is very fast | 04:16 |
| Yagisan | juliux: I just have my 2.2GB of rejected by ubuntu stuff on my ADSL line (256Kbit upstream) | 04:17 |
| Yagisan | juliux: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/analog.html | 04:18 |
| Yagisan | juliux: I only recently began collecting stats | 04:18 |
| Yagisan | crap - he puked | 04:20 |
| Yagisan | brb | 04:20 |
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| Lord_Athur | arkan0x, | 04:24 |
| Lord_Athur | Hola | 04:24 |
| Lord_Athur | :P | 04:24 |
| arkan0x | Lord_Athur: ola | 04:26 |
| Lord_Athur | acurdate de ah de agregarme a la mailing list | 04:27 |
| Lord_Athur | Sabes a que hora entrar el mhz? | 04:27 |
| Yagisan | re | 04:28 |
| Lord_Athur | Yagisan, what do you say?? | 04:29 |
| Yagisan | Lord_Athur: No, we don't know when mhz will log in | 04:30 |
| Yagisan | Lord_Athur: re ? returned | 04:30 |
| Lord_Athur | ok | 04:30 |
| Lord_Athur | Aok | 04:30 |
| Yagisan | hey - google translate worked :) | 04:30 |
| spacey | would be great if everyone speaks english though | 04:31 |
| Lord_Athur | jajaja | 04:31 |
| spacey | :) | 04:31 |
| Lord_Athur | yes | 04:31 |
| Lord_Athur | :) | 04:31 |
| spacey | my spanish is a bit flaky to say the lest | 04:31 |
| spacey | least | 04:31 |
| Lord_Athur | but when it's something personal, we do not need to speak english, really? | 04:32 |
| Lord_Athur | well, don't worry; i'll talk to everyone in english | 04:32 |
| Yagisan | Lord_Athur: well, it is an international forum, we need to standardise on a language. Otherwise I eg could talk in | 04:33 |
| kjcole | Esperanto! | 04:34 |
| Lord_Athur | ok, I understood | 04:34 |
| Yagisan | Lord_Athur: no worries, let us know if you have trouble and well try to explain it better for non-native english speakers | 04:36 |
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| Yagisan | juliux: I seem to have a very popular mirror :) | 04:37 |
| juliux | Yagisan, hehe | 04:37 |
| juliux | Yagisan, my mirror here is also ftp.de.debian.org, | 04:38 |
| juliux | Yagisan, and i have an mirror on my harddisk | 04:38 |
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| Lord_Athur | what's the channel of the edubuntu developers? | 04:38 |
| Yagisan | Lord_Athur: this is it | 04:39 |
| juliux | Lord_Athur, here | 04:39 |
| Lord_Athur | I'm trying of learn programing for Linux | 04:39 |
| Yagisan | Lord_Athur: we are developers, users, beta testers, documentation writers, all here in this channel | 04:40 |
| Lord_Athur | I'd like to colavorate in edubuntu | 04:40 |
| Lord_Athur | what program is easy to try? | 04:40 |
| ogra | do you want to develop gui stuff ? | 04:40 |
| Lord_Athur | yes, I do | 04:41 |
| Lord_Athur | :) | 04:41 |
| ogra | then i'd suggest python and pygtk | 04:41 |
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| Lord_Athur | is python only a command program? | 04:41 |
| ogra | there is a package called diveintopython in (ed)ubuntu, it should be installed by default | 04:41 |
| ogra | thats a complete python book... :) | 04:41 |
| ogra | python is a programming language | 04:42 |
| ogra | gtk is a gui framework .... | 04:42 |
| ogra | and pygtk connects the programming language with the gui framework ... | 04:42 |
| ogra | start by learning to write easy python programs | 04:43 |
| juliux | ogra, do you want to do a talk at chemnitzer linux days? | 04:43 |
| ogra | then learn about gtk ... and use pygtk to make guis for the programs you write | 04:43 |
| ogra | juliux, i cant travle all day, i need to get edubuntu done ... when is it ? | 04:44 |
| ogra | *travel | 04:44 |
| juliux | ogra, first weekend of march | 04:44 |
| juliux | ogra, it is just a question | 04:44 |
| ogra | there is a very tight timeframe where i can do development for this release ... before feature freeze i shouldnt go to fairs ... | 04:45 |
| juliux | ogra, ok | 04:45 |
| ogra | i.e. whats not developed until ~end of feb wont get into this release | 04:45 |
| ogra | march might be possible ... | 04:45 |
| juliux | ogra, no problem, i only want to advert you to this event | 04:45 |
| ogra | i'll think about it ... | 04:46 |
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| juliux | ogra, thanks | 04:51 |
| Yagisan | ogra: Can I ask you a packaging related question ? | 04:53 |
| ogra | sure | 04:53 |
| Yagisan | ogra: I have a package, it provides a file called jDoom.wad | 04:54 |
| ogra | yup | 04:54 |
| Yagisan | I have another package, It contains a replacement jDoom.wad | 04:54 |
| Yagisan | Can I have package 2, move package 1's jDoom.wad | 04:54 |
| Yagisan | without breaking package 1 ? package 2 depends on package 1 | 04:55 |
| ogra | add a "Replaces: package 1" to package 2's control file | 04:55 |
| Yagisan | It's an enhancement rather then a replacement | 04:56 |
| ogra | you replace a file of package 1 in package 2, so this is the appropriate way ... | 04:56 |
| ogra | the Replaces dirctive allows package 2 to replace parts of package 1 | 04:57 |
| ogra | else you will get a conflict in apt | 04:57 |
| Yagisan | So, if package 2 is uninstalled, it will restore the overwritten parts of package 1 ? | 04:57 |
| ogra | nope | 04:57 |
| ogra | thats a job for dpkg-divert ... | 04:58 |
| ogra | you call dpkg-divert in postinst/postrm of package 2 to make it move the file around... | 04:58 |
| ogra | that will restore the file post removal | 04:58 |
| ogra | read up about dpkg-divert ... | 04:59 |
| Yagisan | thank you ogra. | 04:59 |
| ogra | i think kubuntu-artwork has a good example in the postinst | 04:59 |
| Yagisan | My packages may have been rejected for ubuntu, but I try to keep them to the same standard | 04:59 |
| ogra | it moves the firefox homepage around | 04:59 |
| Yagisan | kubuntu-artwork is in dapper ? | 05:00 |
| Yagisan | nevermind, the man page for dpkg-divert is clear | 05:04 |
| ogra | kubuntu-artwork is in hoary, breezy, dapper | 05:08 |
| Yagisan | E: Unable to find a source package for kubuntu-artwork | 05:10 |
| Yagisan | what I get when trying to download it | 05:10 |
| Yagisan | It's kubuntu-default-settings | 05:11 |
| Yagisan | hmm, maybe not. | 05:14 |
| Yagisan | anyway I got a prerm and postinst to look at | 05:14 |
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| Yagisan | night all | 06:07 |
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| Lord_Athur | Hi | 06:08 |
| Lord_Athur | I'm sorry but my PC had any problems | 06:08 |
| Lord_Athur | spacey, | 06:08 |
| Lord_Athur | can you tell me the name of the to best programs for make applications? | 06:09 |
| Lord_Athur | is there anyone? | 06:12 |
| Lord_Athur | 06:19 | |
| Lord_Athur | I've got a question! | 06:20 |
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| Lord_Athur | is there a place for download a "demo" of source of a program? | 06:24 |
| Lord_Athur | I need to have an idea of how to make programs | 06:27 |
| ogra | there should be examples in the diveintopython book | 06:28 |
| ^eniac^ | I also want the source code... | 06:30 |
| Lord_Athur | an example can allow us to see the source and.... | 06:31 |
| Lord_Athur | eniac | 06:33 |
| Lord_Athur | www.sf.net | 06:33 |
| ^eniac^ | yes, but from where i can founf FULL code, no packets... | 06:34 |
| ^eniac^ | yes, but from where i can found the FULL code, no packets... | 06:34 |
| Lord_Athur | I'm asking that | 06:35 |
| Lord_Athur | no | 06:35 |
| Lord_Athur | the persons don't understand | 06:36 |
| Lord_Athur | 06:36 | |
| ^eniac^ | hmmm, Lamers... | 06:36 |
| Lord_Athur | I only want a copy of a source or code for edit a program | 06:36 |
| Lord_Athur | nothing more | 06:36 |
| ^eniac^ | I also want, but I want the full distribution source code . | 06:37 |
| Lord_Athur | the code of all the distro? | 06:38 |
| ^eniac^ | yes | 06:39 |
| ^eniac^ | no packets, the full source, but... | 06:40 |
| Lord_Athur | nobody answer, I know | 06:40 |
| ^eniac^ | I don't have pereferendces: ubuntu, Knoppix or debian ... | 06:41 |
| ^eniac^ | bad... | 06:41 |
| ^eniac^ | I want to make one bulgarian distro for education... | 06:41 |
| ^eniac^ | for bulgarian students and schools... | 06:41 |
| spacey | apt-get source <packagename> | 06:42 |
| ^eniac^ | yes, but : "<packagename>" | 06:42 |
| ^eniac^ | i don't want packeges | 06:42 |
| ^eniac^ | because I am lamer | 06:43 |
| ^eniac^ | and don't know | 06:43 |
| Lord_Athur | spacey, | 06:43 |
| Lord_Athur | I put the code apt-get source gaim, where will it install the code of gaim? | 06:43 |
| spacey | it will install nothing, it will just pull the source and put it in current directory | 06:44 |
| ^eniac^ | and don't know whitch packet... | 06:45 |
| ^eniac^ | I don't know whitch packet... | 06:45 |
| ^eniac^ | errors.... errors..... | 06:45 |
| Lord_Athur | spacey, what directory will be used for put the gaim code? | 06:45 |
| spacey | Lord_Athur, your current working directory, `pwd` | 06:46 |
| ^eniac^ | /usr/home/gaim/gaim.deb ... | 06:46 |
| spacey | probably not | 06:47 |
| spacey | just try | 06:47 |
| spacey | and you'll see | 06:47 |
| ^eniac^ | probably | 06:47 |
| ^eniac^ | ... | 06:47 |
| spacey | it doesn't download a deb anyway, it downloads the source | 06:47 |
| ^eniac^ | do you think : my english is verry bad? | 06:48 |
| spacey | quite | 06:48 |
| Lord_Athur | spacey, the apt-get put in my home folder the gaim code | 06:52 |
| Lord_Athur | but there are a lot of files | 06:53 |
| Lord_Athur | what correspond to the program? | 06:53 |
| spacey | thats the source and some extra info needed to build the package | 06:53 |
| ^eniac^ | ahahahahahah | 06:53 |
| spacey | IIRC there is a tar with the source, if not its a directory, i think you can figure that out yourself | 06:53 |
| ^eniac^ | i only was compilled DONE the ReactOS... | 06:54 |
| ^eniac^ | one win32 opensource system | 06:54 |
| ^eniac^ | Lord_Athur, see the http://sourceforge.net/docs/compile_farm | 06:55 |
| ^eniac^ | i hahe this page in pdf format... | 06:55 |
| ^eniac^ | do you want to send to you? | 06:56 |
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| ^eniac^ | YES, i founded one page with needed packets | 06:59 |
| ^eniac^ | nongraphic... | 06:59 |
| ^eniac^ | but with kernel, drivers... | 06:59 |
| ^eniac^ | ehooo, why is too quiet? | 07:01 |
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| Lord_Athur | spacey, | 07:06 |
| Lord_Athur | what program code should I download? | 07:06 |
| spacey | Lord_Athur, whats your goal? | 07:07 |
| ogra | every source package contains the tar.gz with the original sourcecode of an app ... apt-get source <package> unpacks this tarball in your current dir and applies the diff that contains the packaging information ... | 07:07 |
| ogra | if you want the clean source, just delete the debian dir in the source dir ... | 07:07 |
| Lord_Athur | I'll go for my dinner | 07:12 |
| Lord_Athur | I see you | 07:12 |
| ^eniac^ | in my country the time is 8:17 pm, I am also hungry... | 07:14 |
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| mhz | hi yall | 09:57 |
| ^eniac^ | hi | 09:59 |
| ^eniac^ | spacey ,sorry, what was the command for unpacking the packets to source? | 10:03 |
| ogra | ^eniac^, if you used apt-get source <package> it gets unpacked automatically | 10:04 |
| ogra | else use dpkg-source -x <packagename>.dsc | 10:05 |
| mhz | ogra: the tv show agreed to provide us with the note the recoreded in a .mpg file or other we need :D | 10:16 |
| ogra | nice :) | 10:16 |
| mhz | indeed | 10:17 |
| mhz | and next tuesday, we'll discuss the chances to have a short series of mini trainings about ubuntu! | 10:18 |
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| mhz | re | 11:16 |
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