[12:05] <littlepaul> bluefrog-10, ogra is next week also in Essen; maby we can talk about  your script
[12:07] <bluefrog-10> up to u, glad if it can help...
[12:07] <littlepaul> juliux, still here?
[12:10] <bluefrog-10> littlepaul, hum am running the samba-ldap installation right now on my new server, have fiidled with a user input stuff and i poopooed, am going to change it and will send you the working script by mail..
[12:10] <littlepaul> great
[12:23] <bluefrog-10> littlepaul, by the way my samba-ldap script works on a normal eud/ubuntu not a server install (too many things not installed by a server installation..)
[12:25] <littlepaul> this is a good hint because juliux has a server install and we have in Essen just his server; nevertheless I will talk about this script :)
[12:27] <bluefrog-10> the problem with the server install is that it's missing (amongst other things) too many perl stuff to my taste and as most of people will install anyway a complete edubuntu/ubuntu (at least teacher) I made it simple for me..
[12:27] <littlepaul> :)
[12:27] <bluefrog-10> now you could have a look what it does (samba-ldap) on a server install, am still interested in the output..
[12:28] <bluefrog-10> k have corrected the stuff, samb-ldap runnning ok (so far) on my new server.. sending you the corrected sh
[12:29] <littlepaul> if we have the change to test it - I'll inform you; thx again
[12:30] <bluefrog-10> littlepaul btw do you know anything about /etc/skel (by anything i mean more than theory..)?
[12:31] <littlepaul> sorry, I didn't played yet with /etc/skel - also just theory...
[12:32] <bluefrog-10> k
[12:34] <bluefrog-10> last thing am not that worried about my script on a server install cause someone who makes a server install would have little interest i think in an automation script ...
[12:36] <littlepaul> you could be right but such a script is maby for schools administrators with less knowledge very interesting
[12:37] <bluefrog-10> that was my purpose indeed.
[12:37] <littlepaul> atm I'm writing a short faq in german about edubuntu; more or less a resume from the answers that I read in the logs of the last weeks
[12:37] <bluefrog-10> schools or small companies with a computer litterate guy but not too much litterate..
[12:38] <littlepaul> :)
[12:40] <bluefrog-10> or without too much time. my script enables samba-ldap in 1 minute (from the time all packages are downloaded). It just needs a reboot to be fully working (reboot is not compulsory but i forgot to implement I think a restart of sudo or pam or ssh, can't remember which...)
[12:41] <bluefrog-10> will do when have time in front of me
[12:42] <littlepaul> do yo work atm also on other things?
[12:42] <bluefrog-10> unfortunately no, need to find a job cause i have no more money and a kid to feed...
[12:44] <littlepaul> I understand..
[12:45] <bluefrog-10> i have put much effort in that cause one of the only way (if i want to stay in computer business) for me is to open my own service company, so i needed to be able to service people in linux (am coming from windows admin world...)
[12:47] <littlepaul> this is quite right; Personally I'm working also in the windows world and linux will be essential in future
[12:48] <bluefrog-10> essential well maybe not but when you have no money to put in front to buy freking machines that all comes with windows, yes :)
[12:49] <bluefrog-10> and i don't know about germany but in france margin on a computer is around 8%.
[12:50] <bluefrog-10> don't make a leaving with 8% except if you have big customers, but big customers means big computer command... vicious circle...
[12:51] <littlepaul> sure :/
[12:52] <bluefrog-10> everything will be alright as soon as i win the lottery, note for myself, should not forget everyweek to play the lottery...
[12:53] <bluefrog-10> k time to hit the sac, gutte nacht
[12:54] <littlepaul> gute Nacht and thx for your time
[12:54] <bluefrog-10> welcome...
[08:07] <^eniac^>  hi all, I have one question...
[08:07] <^eniac^> From where I can get the edubuntu source code?
[08:07] <^eniac^> I want to make one small distribution...
[08:08] <^eniac^> Education distribution - for bulgarian students and schools...
[08:13] <spacey> maybe look at making a derivative docs at ubuntu.com
[08:13] <spacey> why is edubuntu itself nog suitable?
[08:16] <^eniac^> I don't know... witch is better?
[08:17] <spacey> what do you mean?
[08:17] <spacey> and what are your needs
[08:17] <^eniac^> livecd distribution
[08:18] <^eniac^> sorry, my english is verry bad...
[08:18] <spacey> afaik its not too hard to make a customized live cd
[08:18] <spacey> but i have no experience on it myself, but there is probably some documentation
[08:19] <^eniac^> from where?
[08:19] <^eniac^> I am a bug lamer....
[08:19] <spacey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo?highlight=%28build%29%7C%28livecd%29
[08:19] <^eniac^> big
[08:19] <^eniac^> 10x
[08:20] <spacey> goodluck
[08:20] <spacey> i'm off to work
[08:20] <spacey> bb
[08:21] <^eniac^> ok, np. but i want the souce code. sorry... for the last time...
[08:23] <^eniac^> I want to upgrade my bios and I need to restart (for window$). bye ...
[08:24] <spacey> that dude doesn't speak english at all, he just types some english words :D
[11:13] <lucasvo> hi
[11:13] <juliux> hi lucasvo 
[11:40] <lucasvo> is there any iBook support for ltsp?
[12:49] <juliux> hi Yagisan 
[02:12] <Lord_Athur> pi
[02:15] <aeon17x> Does edubuntu have GNU Paint installed by default?
[02:45] <thak> does anyone know how to force a thinclient to a specific resolution?  i've tried the X_MODE_x commands, and they don't seem to work...
[03:53] <pc22> hello?
[03:57] <littlepaul> hi ogra; your opinion about http://www.110-support.de/edubuntu_german.odt
[04:02] <Yagisan> re
[04:02] <Yagisan> G'day juliux
[04:04] <juliux> Yagisan, that was an great reactiontime
[04:10] <Yagisan> juliux: yeah - I left myself logged in, then went to do "Dad stuff"
[04:11] <juliux> Yagisan, hehe
[04:12] <Yagisan> juliux: Still doing the dad thing, my son is sitting on my lap being introduced to IRC :)
[04:13] <juliux> Yagisan, that is quite good
[04:13] <juliux> Yagisan, don't show him the evil windows
[04:14] <Yagisan> juliux: I don't have windows around anymore
[04:14] <juliux> Yagisan, very good
[04:14] <juliux> Yagisan, i also don't have a windows in my pcs
[04:14] <Yagisan> juliux: I'm updating my repo tonight - 2.2GB to be updated!
[04:15] <juliux> Yagisan, good luck
[04:15] <Yagisan> juliux: I think I might be getting a mirror for it soon
[04:16] <juliux> Yagisan, fortunately i have the german mirror in my lan
[04:16] <juliux> it is very fast
[04:17] <Yagisan> juliux: I just have my 2.2GB of rejected by ubuntu stuff on my ADSL line (256Kbit upstream)
[04:18] <Yagisan> juliux: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/analog.html
[04:18] <Yagisan> juliux: I only recently began collecting stats
[04:20] <Yagisan> crap - he puked
[04:20] <Yagisan> brb
[04:24] <Lord_Athur> arkan0x, 
[04:24] <Lord_Athur> Hola
[04:24] <Lord_Athur> :P
[04:26] <arkan0x> Lord_Athur: ola
[04:27] <Lord_Athur> acurdate de ah de agregarme a la mailing list
[04:27] <Lord_Athur> Sabes a que hora entrar el mhz?
[04:28] <Yagisan> re
[04:29] <Lord_Athur> Yagisan, what do you say??
[04:30] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: No, we don't know when mhz will log in
[04:30] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: re ? returned
[04:30] <Lord_Athur> ok
[04:30] <Lord_Athur> Aok
[04:30] <Yagisan> hey - google translate worked :)
[04:31] <spacey> would be great if everyone speaks english though
[04:31] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[04:31] <spacey> :)
[04:31] <Lord_Athur> yes
[04:31] <Lord_Athur> :)
[04:31] <spacey> my spanish is a bit flaky to say the lest
[04:31] <spacey> least
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> but when it's something personal, we do not need to speak english, really?
[04:32] <Lord_Athur> well, don't worry; i'll talk to everyone in english
[04:33] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: well, it is an international forum, we need to standardise on a language. Otherwise I eg could talk in 
[04:34] <kjcole> Esperanto!
[04:34] <Lord_Athur> ok, I understood
[04:36] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: no worries, let us know if you have trouble and well try to explain it better for non-native english speakers
[04:37] <Yagisan> juliux: I seem to have a very popular mirror :)
[04:37] <juliux> Yagisan, hehe
[04:38] <juliux> Yagisan, my mirror here is also ftp.de.debian.org,
[04:38] <juliux> Yagisan, and i have an mirror on my harddisk
[04:38] <Lord_Athur>  what's the channel of the edubuntu developers?
[04:39] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: this is it
[04:39] <juliux> Lord_Athur, here
[04:39] <Lord_Athur> I'm trying of learn programing for Linux
[04:40] <Yagisan> Lord_Athur: we are developers, users, beta testers, documentation writers, all here in this channel
[04:40] <Lord_Athur> I'd like to colavorate in edubuntu
[04:40] <Lord_Athur> what program is easy to try?
[04:40] <ogra> do you want to develop gui stuff ? 
[04:41] <Lord_Athur> yes, I do
[04:41] <Lord_Athur> :)
[04:41] <ogra> then i'd suggest python and pygtk
[04:41] <Lord_Athur> is python only a command program?
[04:41] <ogra> there is a package called diveintopython in (ed)ubuntu, it should be installed by default
[04:41] <ogra> thats a complete python book... :)
[04:42] <ogra> python is a programming language
[04:42] <ogra> gtk is a gui framework ....
[04:42] <ogra> and pygtk connects the programming language with the gui framework ...
[04:43] <ogra> start by learning to write easy python programs
[04:43] <juliux> ogra, do you want to do a talk at chemnitzer linux days?
[04:43] <ogra> then learn about gtk ... and use pygtk to make guis for the programs you write
[04:44] <ogra> juliux, i cant travle all day, i need to get edubuntu done ... when is it ? 
[04:44] <ogra> *travel
[04:44] <juliux> ogra, first weekend of march
[04:44] <juliux> ogra, it is just a question
[04:45] <ogra> there is a very tight timeframe where i can do development for this release ... before feature freeze i shouldnt go to fairs ...
[04:45] <juliux> ogra, ok
[04:45] <ogra> i.e. whats not developed until ~end of feb wont get into this release
[04:45] <ogra> march might be possible ...
[04:45] <juliux> ogra, no problem, i only want to advert you to this event
[04:46] <ogra> i'll think about it ...
[04:51] <juliux> ogra, thanks
[04:53] <Yagisan> ogra: Can I ask you a packaging related question ?
[04:53] <ogra> sure
[04:54] <Yagisan> ogra: I have a package, it provides a file called jDoom.wad
[04:54] <ogra> yup
[04:54] <Yagisan> I have another package, It contains a replacement jDoom.wad
[04:54] <Yagisan> Can I have package 2, move package 1's jDoom.wad
[04:55] <Yagisan> without breaking package 1 ? package 2 depends on package 1
[04:55] <ogra> add a "Replaces: package 1" to package 2's control file
[04:56] <Yagisan> It's an enhancement rather then a replacement
[04:56] <ogra> you replace a file of package 1 in package 2, so this is the appropriate way ...
[04:57] <ogra> the Replaces dirctive allows package 2 to replace parts of package 1
[04:57] <ogra> else you will get a conflict in apt
[04:57] <Yagisan> So, if package 2 is uninstalled, it will restore the overwritten parts of package 1 ?
[04:57] <ogra> nope
[04:58] <ogra> thats a job for dpkg-divert ... 
[04:58] <ogra> you call dpkg-divert in postinst/postrm of package 2 to make it move the file around...
[04:58] <ogra> that will restore the file post removal
[04:59] <ogra> read up about dpkg-divert ...
[04:59] <Yagisan> thank you ogra.
[04:59] <ogra> i think kubuntu-artwork has a good example in the postinst
[04:59] <Yagisan> My packages may have been rejected for ubuntu, but I try to keep them to the same standard
[04:59] <ogra> it moves the firefox homepage around
[05:00] <Yagisan> kubuntu-artwork is in dapper ?
[05:04] <Yagisan> nevermind, the man page for dpkg-divert is clear
[05:08] <ogra> kubuntu-artwork is in hoary, breezy, dapper 
[05:10] <Yagisan> E: Unable to find a source package for kubuntu-artwork
[05:10] <Yagisan> what I get when trying to download it
[05:11] <Yagisan> It's kubuntu-default-settings
[05:14] <Yagisan> hmm, maybe not.
[05:14] <Yagisan> anyway I got a prerm and postinst to look at
[06:07] <Yagisan> night all
[06:08] <Lord_Athur> Hi
[06:08] <Lord_Athur> I'm sorry but my PC had any problems
[06:08] <Lord_Athur> spacey, 
[06:09] <Lord_Athur> can you tell me the name of the to best programs for make applications?
[06:12] <Lord_Athur> is there anyone?
[06:19] <Lord_Athur> 
[06:20] <Lord_Athur> I've got a question!
[06:24] <Lord_Athur> is there a place for download a "demo" of source of a program?
[06:27] <Lord_Athur> I need to have an idea of how to make programs
[06:28] <ogra> there should be examples in the diveintopython book
[06:30] <^eniac^> I also want the source code...
[06:31] <Lord_Athur> an example can allow us to see the source and....
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> eniac
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> www.sf.net
[06:34] <^eniac^> yes, but from where i can founf FULL code, no packets...
[06:34] <^eniac^> yes, but from where i can found  the FULL code, no packets...
[06:35] <Lord_Athur> I'm asking that
[06:35] <Lord_Athur> no
[06:36] <Lord_Athur> the persons don't understand 
[06:36] <Lord_Athur> 
[06:36] <^eniac^> hmmm, Lamers...
[06:36] <Lord_Athur> I only want a copy of a source or code for edit a program
[06:36] <Lord_Athur> nothing more
[06:37] <^eniac^> I also want, but I want the full distribution source code .
[06:38] <Lord_Athur> the code of all the distro?
[06:39] <^eniac^> yes
[06:40] <^eniac^> no packets, the full source, but...
[06:40] <Lord_Athur> nobody answer, I know
[06:41] <^eniac^> I don't have pereferendces: ubuntu, Knoppix or debian ...
[06:41] <^eniac^> bad...
[06:41] <^eniac^> I want to make one bulgarian distro for education...
[06:41] <^eniac^> for bulgarian students and schools...
[06:42] <spacey> apt-get source <packagename>
[06:42] <^eniac^> yes, but : "<packagename>"
[06:42] <^eniac^> i don't want packeges 
[06:43] <^eniac^> because I am lamer 
[06:43] <^eniac^> and don't know 
[06:43] <Lord_Athur> spacey, 
[06:43] <Lord_Athur> I put the code apt-get source gaim, where will it install the code of gaim?
[06:44] <spacey> it will install nothing, it will just pull the source and put it in current directory
[06:45] <^eniac^> and don't know whitch packet...
[06:45] <^eniac^> I don't know whitch packet...
[06:45] <^eniac^> errors.... errors.....
[06:45] <Lord_Athur> spacey, what directory will be used for put the gaim code?
[06:46] <spacey> Lord_Athur, your current working directory, `pwd`
[06:46] <^eniac^> /usr/home/gaim/gaim.deb ...
[06:47] <spacey> probably not 
[06:47] <spacey> just try
[06:47] <spacey> and you'll see
[06:47] <^eniac^> probably
[06:47] <^eniac^> ...
[06:47] <spacey> it doesn't download a deb anyway, it downloads the source
[06:48] <^eniac^> do you think : my english is verry bad?
[06:48] <spacey> quite
[06:52] <Lord_Athur> spacey, the apt-get put in my home folder the gaim code
[06:53] <Lord_Athur> but there are a lot of files
[06:53] <Lord_Athur> what correspond to the program?
[06:53] <spacey> thats the source and some extra info needed to build the package
[06:53] <^eniac^> ahahahahahah
[06:53] <spacey> IIRC there is a tar with the source, if not its a directory, i think you can figure that out yourself
[06:54] <^eniac^> i only was compilled DONE the ReactOS...
[06:54] <^eniac^> one win32 opensource system
[06:55] <^eniac^> Lord_Athur, see the http://sourceforge.net/docs/compile_farm
[06:55] <^eniac^> i hahe this page in pdf format...
[06:56] <^eniac^> do you want to send to you? 
[06:59] <^eniac^> YES, i founded one page with needed packets
[06:59] <^eniac^> nongraphic...
[06:59] <^eniac^> but with kernel, drivers...
[07:01] <^eniac^> ehooo, why is too quiet?
[07:06] <Lord_Athur> spacey, 
[07:06] <Lord_Athur> what program code should I download?
[07:07] <spacey> Lord_Athur, whats your goal?
[07:07] <ogra> every source package contains the tar.gz with the original sourcecode of an app ... apt-get source <package> unpacks this tarball in your current dir and applies the diff that contains the packaging information ...
[07:07] <ogra> if you want the clean source, just delete the debian dir in the source dir ...
[07:12] <Lord_Athur> I'll go for my dinner
[07:12] <Lord_Athur> I see you
[07:14] <^eniac^> in my country the time is 8:17 pm, I am also hungry...
[09:57] <mhz> hi yall
[09:59] <^eniac^> hi
[10:03] <^eniac^> spacey ,sorry, what was the command for unpacking the packets to source?
[10:04] <ogra> ^eniac^, if you used apt-get source <package> it gets unpacked automatically
[10:05] <ogra> else use dpkg-source -x <packagename>.dsc
[10:16] <mhz> ogra: the tv show agreed to provide us with the note the recoreded in a .mpg file or other we need :D
[10:16] <ogra> nice :)
[10:17] <mhz> indeed
[10:18] <mhz> and next tuesday, we'll discuss the chances to have a short series of mini trainings about ubuntu!
[11:16] <mhz> re