[12:05] bluefrog-10, ogra is next week also in Essen; maby we can talk about your script [12:07] up to u, glad if it can help... [12:07] juliux, still here? [12:10] littlepaul, hum am running the samba-ldap installation right now on my new server, have fiidled with a user input stuff and i poopooed, am going to change it and will send you the working script by mail.. [12:10] great === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:23] littlepaul, by the way my samba-ldap script works on a normal eud/ubuntu not a server install (too many things not installed by a server installation..) [12:25] this is a good hint because juliux has a server install and we have in Essen just his server; nevertheless I will talk about this script :) [12:27] the problem with the server install is that it's missing (amongst other things) too many perl stuff to my taste and as most of people will install anyway a complete edubuntu/ubuntu (at least teacher) I made it simple for me.. [12:27] :) [12:27] now you could have a look what it does (samba-ldap) on a server install, am still interested in the output.. [12:28] k have corrected the stuff, samb-ldap runnning ok (so far) on my new server.. sending you the corrected sh [12:29] if we have the change to test it - I'll inform you; thx again [12:30] littlepaul btw do you know anything about /etc/skel (by anything i mean more than theory..)? [12:31] sorry, I didn't played yet with /etc/skel - also just theory... [12:32] k [12:34] last thing am not that worried about my script on a server install cause someone who makes a server install would have little interest i think in an automation script ... === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu [12:36] you could be right but such a script is maby for schools administrators with less knowledge very interesting [12:37] that was my purpose indeed. [12:37] atm I'm writing a short faq in german about edubuntu; more or less a resume from the answers that I read in the logs of the last weeks [12:37] schools or small companies with a computer litterate guy but not too much litterate.. [12:38] :) [12:40] or without too much time. my script enables samba-ldap in 1 minute (from the time all packages are downloaded). It just needs a reboot to be fully working (reboot is not compulsory but i forgot to implement I think a restart of sudo or pam or ssh, can't remember which...) [12:41] will do when have time in front of me [12:42] do yo work atm also on other things? [12:42] unfortunately no, need to find a job cause i have no more money and a kid to feed... [12:44] I understand.. [12:45] i have put much effort in that cause one of the only way (if i want to stay in computer business) for me is to open my own service company, so i needed to be able to service people in linux (am coming from windows admin world...) [12:47] this is quite right; Personally I'm working also in the windows world and linux will be essential in future [12:48] essential well maybe not but when you have no money to put in front to buy freking machines that all comes with windows, yes :) [12:49] and i don't know about germany but in france margin on a computer is around 8%. [12:50] don't make a leaving with 8% except if you have big customers, but big customers means big computer command... vicious circle... [12:51] sure :/ [12:52] everything will be alright as soon as i win the lottery, note for myself, should not forget everyweek to play the lottery... [12:53] k time to hit the sac, gutte nacht [12:54] gute Nacht and thx for your time [12:54] welcome... === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.225] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-18-121-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-18-121-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === ealden [n=ealden@219.90.91.225] has joined #edubuntu === b3ar1n0 [n=b3ar@151.56.59.56] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === Orbman [i=grant@85-210-15-53.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === ajmitch_ [n=ajmitch@port161-187.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #edubuntu === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #edubuntu === mwest [n=mwest@tsl.uct.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === lucasvo [n=lucasvo@www.wservices.ch] has joined #edubuntu === Velmont [n=odin@stanley.ox.compsoc.net] has joined #edubuntu === trondm_gone [i=trondm@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #edubuntu === crimsun [i=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #edubuntu === silvester [i=kappa@tauware.de] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-18-121-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === Orbman [i=grant@85-210-15-53.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #edubuntu === Velmont [n=odin@stanley.ox.compsoc.net] has joined #edubuntu === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.213.223.12] has joined #edubuntu === ^eniac^ [n=eniac@212.124.89.173] has joined #edubuntu [08:07] <^eniac^> hi all, I have one question... [08:07] <^eniac^> From where I can get the edubuntu source code? [08:07] <^eniac^> I want to make one small distribution... [08:08] <^eniac^> Education distribution - for bulgarian students and schools... [08:13] maybe look at making a derivative docs at ubuntu.com [08:13] why is edubuntu itself nog suitable? [08:16] <^eniac^> I don't know... witch is better? [08:17] what do you mean? [08:17] and what are your needs [08:17] <^eniac^> livecd distribution [08:18] <^eniac^> sorry, my english is verry bad... [08:18] afaik its not too hard to make a customized live cd [08:18] but i have no experience on it myself, but there is probably some documentation [08:19] <^eniac^> from where? [08:19] <^eniac^> I am a bug lamer.... [08:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDCustomizationHowTo?highlight=%28build%29%7C%28livecd%29 [08:19] <^eniac^> big [08:19] <^eniac^> 10x [08:20] goodluck [08:20] i'm off to work [08:20] bb [08:21] <^eniac^> ok, np. but i want the souce code. sorry... for the last time... === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu [08:23] <^eniac^> I want to upgrade my bios and I need to restart (for window$). bye ... [08:24] that dude doesn't speak english at all, he just types some english words :D === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@200.60.217.236] has joined #edubuntu [11:13] hi [11:13] hi lucasvo [11:40] is there any iBook support for ltsp? === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-18-121-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #edubuntu [12:49] hi Yagisan === b3ar1n0 [n=b3ar@151.56.59.56] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:12] pi [02:15] Does edubuntu have GNU Paint installed by default? === Katsumoto [n=teraflop@bbned225-210-100.dsl.hccnet.nl] has joined #edubuntu === thak [n=chad@ip68-103-163-217.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #edubuntu [02:45] does anyone know how to force a thinclient to a specific resolution? i've tried the X_MODE_x commands, and they don't seem to work... === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #edubuntu === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === zakame [n=zak@210.213.77.185] has joined #edubuntu === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@58.69.16.176] has joined #edubuntu === littlepaul [n=littlepa@p5084D801.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === pc22 [n=arik@222.126.13.162] has joined #edubuntu === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@58.69.16.176] has joined #edubuntu [03:53] hello? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu === macgyver2 [n=eric@pdpc/supporter/student/macgyver2] has joined #edubuntu [03:57] hi ogra; your opinion about http://www.110-support.de/edubuntu_german.odt [04:02] re [04:02] G'day juliux === arkan0x [n=arkanox@pc-133-72-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:04] Yagisan, that was an great reactiontime === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E6D7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [04:10] juliux: yeah - I left myself logged in, then went to do "Dad stuff" === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@58.69.16.176] has joined #edubuntu [04:11] Yagisan, hehe [04:12] juliux: Still doing the dad thing, my son is sitting on my lap being introduced to IRC :) [04:13] Yagisan, that is quite good === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [04:13] Yagisan, don't show him the evil windows [04:14] juliux: I don't have windows around anymore [04:14] Yagisan, very good [04:14] Yagisan, i also don't have a windows in my pcs [04:14] juliux: I'm updating my repo tonight - 2.2GB to be updated! [04:15] Yagisan, good luck [04:15] juliux: I think I might be getting a mirror for it soon [04:16] Yagisan, fortunately i have the german mirror in my lan [04:16] it is very fast [04:17] juliux: I just have my 2.2GB of rejected by ubuntu stuff on my ADSL line (256Kbit upstream) [04:18] juliux: http://eyagi.bpa.nu/analog.html [04:18] juliux: I only recently began collecting stats [04:20] crap - he puked [04:20] brb === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:24] arkan0x, [04:24] Hola [04:24] :P [04:26] Lord_Athur: ola [04:27] acurdate de ah de agregarme a la mailing list [04:27] Sabes a que hora entrar el mhz? [04:28] re [04:29] Yagisan, what do you say?? [04:30] Lord_Athur: No, we don't know when mhz will log in [04:30] Lord_Athur: re ? returned [04:30] ok [04:30] Aok [04:30] hey - google translate worked :) [04:31] would be great if everyone speaks english though [04:31] jajaja [04:31] :) [04:31] yes [04:31] :) [04:31] my spanish is a bit flaky to say the lest [04:31] least [04:32] but when it's something personal, we do not need to speak english, really? [04:32] well, don't worry; i'll talk to everyone in english [04:33] Lord_Athur: well, it is an international forum, we need to standardise on a language. Otherwise I eg could talk in [04:34] Esperanto! [04:34] ok, I understood [04:36] Lord_Athur: no worries, let us know if you have trouble and well try to explain it better for non-native english speakers === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089DA12.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:37] juliux: I seem to have a very popular mirror :) [04:37] Yagisan, hehe [04:38] Yagisan, my mirror here is also ftp.de.debian.org, [04:38] Yagisan, and i have an mirror on my harddisk === Yagisan cries, my adsl connection can't compete with that [04:38] what's the channel of the edubuntu developers? [04:39] Lord_Athur: this is it [04:39] Lord_Athur, here [04:39] I'm trying of learn programing for Linux [04:40] Lord_Athur: we are developers, users, beta testers, documentation writers, all here in this channel [04:40] I'd like to colavorate in edubuntu [04:40] what program is easy to try? [04:40] do you want to develop gui stuff ? [04:41] yes, I do [04:41] :) [04:41] then i'd suggest python and pygtk === Yagisan makes note to get around to learning C soon [04:41] is python only a command program? [04:41] there is a package called diveintopython in (ed)ubuntu, it should be installed by default [04:41] thats a complete python book... :) [04:42] python is a programming language [04:42] gtk is a gui framework .... [04:42] and pygtk connects the programming language with the gui framework ... [04:43] start by learning to write easy python programs [04:43] ogra, do you want to do a talk at chemnitzer linux days? [04:43] then learn about gtk ... and use pygtk to make guis for the programs you write [04:44] juliux, i cant travle all day, i need to get edubuntu done ... when is it ? [04:44] *travel [04:44] ogra, first weekend of march [04:44] ogra, it is just a question [04:45] there is a very tight timeframe where i can do development for this release ... before feature freeze i shouldnt go to fairs ... [04:45] ogra, ok [04:45] i.e. whats not developed until ~end of feb wont get into this release [04:45] march might be possible ... [04:45] ogra, no problem, i only want to advert you to this event [04:46] i'll think about it ... === hendrik [n=hendrik@rndf-ip-nas-ov-1-p21.telkom-ipnet.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [04:51] ogra, thanks [04:53] ogra: Can I ask you a packaging related question ? [04:53] sure [04:54] ogra: I have a package, it provides a file called jDoom.wad [04:54] yup [04:54] I have another package, It contains a replacement jDoom.wad [04:54] Can I have package 2, move package 1's jDoom.wad [04:55] without breaking package 1 ? package 2 depends on package 1 [04:55] add a "Replaces: package 1" to package 2's control file [04:56] It's an enhancement rather then a replacement [04:56] you replace a file of package 1 in package 2, so this is the appropriate way ... [04:57] the Replaces dirctive allows package 2 to replace parts of package 1 [04:57] else you will get a conflict in apt [04:57] So, if package 2 is uninstalled, it will restore the overwritten parts of package 1 ? [04:57] nope [04:58] thats a job for dpkg-divert ... [04:58] you call dpkg-divert in postinst/postrm of package 2 to make it move the file around... [04:58] that will restore the file post removal [04:59] read up about dpkg-divert ... [04:59] thank you ogra. [04:59] i think kubuntu-artwork has a good example in the postinst [04:59] My packages may have been rejected for ubuntu, but I try to keep them to the same standard [04:59] it moves the firefox homepage around [05:00] kubuntu-artwork is in dapper ? [05:04] nevermind, the man page for dpkg-divert is clear [05:08] kubuntu-artwork is in hoary, breezy, dapper [05:10] E: Unable to find a source package for kubuntu-artwork [05:10] what I get when trying to download it [05:11] It's kubuntu-default-settings [05:14] hmm, maybe not. [05:14] anyway I got a prerm and postinst to look at === Sonium_ [n=Sonium@p5492A57A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === davix [n=lama@85-65-144-165.barak-online.net] has joined #edubuntu === aeon17x [n=aeon17x@210.213.192.186] has joined #edubuntu [06:07] night all === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:08] Hi [06:08] I'm sorry but my PC had any problems [06:08] spacey, [06:09] can you tell me the name of the to best programs for make applications? [06:12] is there anyone? [06:19] [06:20] I've got a question! === ^eniac^ [n=eniac@212.124.89.173] has joined #edubuntu [06:24] is there a place for download a "demo" of source of a program? [06:27] I need to have an idea of how to make programs [06:28] there should be examples in the diveintopython book [06:30] <^eniac^> I also want the source code... [06:31] an example can allow us to see the source and.... [06:33] eniac [06:33] www.sf.net [06:34] <^eniac^> yes, but from where i can founf FULL code, no packets... [06:34] <^eniac^> yes, but from where i can found the FULL code, no packets... [06:35] I'm asking that [06:35] no [06:36] the persons don't understand [06:36] [06:36] <^eniac^> hmmm, Lamers... [06:36] I only want a copy of a source or code for edit a program [06:36] nothing more [06:37] <^eniac^> I also want, but I want the full distribution source code . [06:38] the code of all the distro? [06:39] <^eniac^> yes [06:40] <^eniac^> no packets, the full source, but... [06:40] nobody answer, I know [06:41] <^eniac^> I don't have pereferendces: ubuntu, Knoppix or debian ... [06:41] <^eniac^> bad... [06:41] <^eniac^> I want to make one bulgarian distro for education... [06:41] <^eniac^> for bulgarian students and schools... [06:42] apt-get source [06:42] <^eniac^> yes, but : "" [06:42] <^eniac^> i don't want packeges [06:43] <^eniac^> because I am lamer [06:43] <^eniac^> and don't know [06:43] spacey, [06:43] I put the code apt-get source gaim, where will it install the code of gaim? [06:44] it will install nothing, it will just pull the source and put it in current directory [06:45] <^eniac^> and don't know whitch packet... [06:45] <^eniac^> I don't know whitch packet... [06:45] <^eniac^> errors.... errors..... [06:45] spacey, what directory will be used for put the gaim code? [06:46] Lord_Athur, your current working directory, `pwd` [06:46] <^eniac^> /usr/home/gaim/gaim.deb ... [06:47] probably not [06:47] just try [06:47] and you'll see [06:47] <^eniac^> probably [06:47] <^eniac^> ... [06:47] it doesn't download a deb anyway, it downloads the source [06:48] <^eniac^> do you think : my english is verry bad? [06:48] quite [06:52] spacey, the apt-get put in my home folder the gaim code [06:53] but there are a lot of files [06:53] what correspond to the program? [06:53] thats the source and some extra info needed to build the package [06:53] <^eniac^> ahahahahahah [06:53] IIRC there is a tar with the source, if not its a directory, i think you can figure that out yourself [06:54] <^eniac^> i only was compilled DONE the ReactOS... [06:54] <^eniac^> one win32 opensource system [06:55] <^eniac^> Lord_Athur, see the http://sourceforge.net/docs/compile_farm [06:55] <^eniac^> i hahe this page in pdf format... [06:56] <^eniac^> do you want to send to you? === JaneW [n=JaneW@wbs-146-174-135.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [06:59] <^eniac^> YES, i founded one page with needed packets [06:59] <^eniac^> nongraphic... [06:59] <^eniac^> but with kernel, drivers... [07:01] <^eniac^> ehooo, why is too quiet? === Lord_Athur [n=alejandr@pc-30-37-214-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:06] spacey, [07:06] what program code should I download? [07:07] Lord_Athur, whats your goal? [07:07] every source package contains the tar.gz with the original sourcecode of an app ... apt-get source unpacks this tarball in your current dir and applies the diff that contains the packaging information ... [07:07] if you want the clean source, just delete the debian dir in the source dir ... [07:12] I'll go for my dinner [07:12] I see you [07:14] <^eniac^> in my country the time is 8:17 pm, I am also hungry... === Nancy_ [n=nancy@ppp-69-223-62-83.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net] has joined #edubuntu === blue-frog [n=james@81.56.254.229] has joined #edubuntu === mhz [n=mhz_chil@pc-252-84-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:57] hi yall [09:59] <^eniac^> hi [10:03] <^eniac^> spacey ,sorry, what was the command for unpacking the packets to source? [10:04] ^eniac^, if you used apt-get source it gets unpacked automatically [10:05] else use dpkg-source -x .dsc [10:16] ogra: the tv show agreed to provide us with the note the recoreded in a .mpg file or other we need :D [10:16] nice :) [10:17] indeed [10:18] and next tuesday, we'll discuss the chances to have a short series of mini trainings about ubuntu! === mhz bbs === bdoin [n=coudoin@home.gcompris.net] has joined #edubuntu === sven-tek [n=sven-tek@p508E6D7D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:16] re === kelley [n=kelley@hlfxns01bbf-142068207218.ns.aliant.net] has joined #edubuntu === kelley [n=kelley@hlfxns01bbf-142068207218.ns.aliant.net] has left #edubuntu []