[12:04] <neoncode> LjL: Ohh thanks...
[12:05] <DarknessX> OK, I'm sorry -- but can anybody give me the path for kernel-source-2.6.12-9-386?  I've never actually browsed a repository and I don't have apt on this box
[12:05] <neoncode> hey .wine/drive_c/windows/notepad.exe worked. does that mean wine is working?
[12:07] <LjL> DarknessX: there is no such package (that's a Debian package perhaps?)
[12:07] <LjL> DarknessX: there is linux-source-2.6.12, which can be found in pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.12/linux-source-2.6.12_2.6.12-9.23_all.deb
[12:08] <LjL> inside any Ubuntu mirror
[12:08] <DarknessX> LjL, perfect.  thanks a ton
[12:12] <neoncode> Hey is it legal to take DLL's from a windows install and put them in wine?
[12:12] <LjL> neoncode: can't answer this one. probably legal in most reasonable countries
[12:12] <LjL> there aren't many reasonable countries around unfortunately
[12:13] <menza> hi
[12:13] <neoncode> LjL: Good, i'll firgure out how to do that sometime. I'm in the United Kingdom, reasinable enough?
[12:13] <troy> neoncode: it's legal IF you own that copy of windows
[12:13] <menza> how do I take screenshots in kde?
[12:13] <xNIRVANAx> K menu > graphics > KSnapshot
[12:13] <troy> menza: ksnapshot
[12:13] <neoncode> troy: This computer is dual boot winxp/kubuntu
[12:14] <LjL> troy: it's not necesssarily that simple... Apple, for example, has very restrictive clauses in their EULA (not sure about MS). but then again, as i said, most reasonable countries would consider those clauses invalid
[12:14] <xNIRVANAx> or alt+F2 and type ksnapshot
[12:14] <Delvien> Anyway to figure out what script is run when a laptop lid is opened?
[12:14] <neoncode> also there's a site called http://www.dll-files.com....
[12:15] <LjL> neoncode: i don't know, i hope so. i'm not going to sue you anyway
[12:15] <LjL> neoncode: but, really, any judge would probably laugh in the face of someone suing you about that
[12:16] <neoncode> LjL: meh, hey where does wine store it's dll's? The program direcotry thing says I need msvcrt.dll(which I can get from dll-files.com) for Warcraft III, so how do I add that file?
[12:17] <thompa> ive got one laptop giving me headache in linux
[12:17] <LjL> neoncode: ~/.wine/yourdrive/Windows/System32, i suppose
[12:17] <thompa> seems its not ipw2200, but perhaps acpi related
[12:18] <Delvien> thompa whats the prob
[12:18] <neoncode> LjL: I don't have a windows/system32. I was wondering if it's somewhere in /etc/...
[12:18] <LjL> neoncode: no it's not
[12:18] <thompa> Delvian: my wireless only sometimes working
[12:18] <LjL> neoncode: anyway, check again. what's in your ~/.wine?
[12:19] <LjL> neoncode: (and, if you install Winetools, you'll get an automated procedure for installing that and other things)
[12:19] <thompa> Delvian: ive tried both the kernels, it seems that sometimes if its plugged in at a certain power percentage wireless works better
[12:19] <thompa> but its the same on all distros including ubuntu
[12:20] <thompa> Delvian:  i think its the acpi or kernel related
[12:20] <neoncode> LjL: Under ~/.wine I have "drive_c" and some config files, oh and another folder with syslinks to the drives.
[12:20] <LjL> neoncode: and under drive_c, don't you have windows/ ?
[12:20] <neoncode> LjL: yep
[12:20] <neoncode> LjL: I have it
[12:20] <LjL> neoncode: and under windows/, is there no system32?
[12:20] <thompa> Delvian:  in windows always connected, im out of ideas other than compile my own kernel
[12:20] <neoncode> LjL: No system32
[12:21] <troy> make one :)
[12:21] <fabian> deb http://antesis.freecontrib.org/mirrors/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[12:21] <fabian>  deb-src http://antesis.freecontrib.org/mirrors/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[12:21] <LjL> neoncode: no system/, either?
[12:21] <fabian> sorry
[12:21] <neoncode> LjL: but there is system
[12:21] <LjL> neoncode: really, i suppose you'd be best off installing winetools
[12:21] <LjL> neoncode: you could try putting it in system
[12:21] <fabian> could anyone help me installing win32codecs please? im a total kubuntu newb
[12:21] <LjL> !tell fabian about w32codecs
[12:22] <neoncode> LjL: Well these dll's must be somewhere. I was able to run /.wine/c_drive/windows/notepad.exe...
[12:22] <thompa> Delvian:  the link to the fedora core 3 on toshiba m45 says to remove all wireless firmware and drivers
[12:23] <troy> neoncode: wine comes with it's own equivalent-of-windows libraries which is uses if the dll's are not present.  If the dll's are present, it can use those instead
[12:23] <troy> neoncode: so notepad running does not mean that wine has dlls, as it may be using it's own internal libs
[12:23] <LjL> neoncode: i just think wine has no dlls by default
[12:23] <neoncode> troy: I know, but are they in the from of dll's that the wine program reads?
[12:24] <troy> neoncode: they are probably in some .so file on the system someplace
[12:24] <neoncode> troy: What the hell(sorry if no swearing in here...) *are* .so files anyway?
[12:24] <LjL> neoncode: anyway, i just created a .wine/ directory from scratch, and there *is* a system32 there, even though it's empty
[12:24] <LjL> neoncode: .so files are shared libraries
[12:25] <LjL> neoncode: look inside /usr/lib, it'll be full of those
[12:25] <thompa> i think my laptop gets wireless only with noacpi, its there some way to still have it or tweak it?
[12:25] <thompa> !acpi
[12:25] <ubotu> thompa: Do they come in packets of five?
[12:25] <troy> neoncode: .so files are the unix functionally equivalent to dll files
[12:25] <troy> so == shared objects
[12:26] <troy> or somesuch
[12:26] <neoncode> troy: Oooo
[12:26] <neoncode> well I know how I can test this. this joke program .exe said it needed this DLL witch ageain I can download so i'll just dump that dll in diffrent places untill this program runs... I think...
[12:27] <thompa> how can i boot noacpi?
[12:28] <LjL> neoncode: or, why don't you just get winetools? :)
[12:29] <thompa> is there a way to use an older kernel say 2.6.11?
[12:29] <neoncode> LjL: Because I carn't be bothered to add the wine reposotory... plus I wanna play with it a bit. :3
[12:29] <thompa> this one seems to have worked in suse 9.3
[12:29] <troy> thompa: you can turn acpi off in bios, or alter your boot command line in grub to include 'noapci'
[12:30] <LjL> neoncode: oh well... :) in any case, keep in mind that the wine reps have more up-to-date versions of wine than the ubuntu reps
[12:30] <LjL> (which, of course, is not necessarily a good thing by itself... but in wine's case, i think it is)
[12:30] <DarknessX> LjL: how did you find the exact path to the kernel source?  Could you do the same for binutils? :-P?
[12:31] <thompa> troy: do i choose the kernel press e for edit and then just add that? 
[12:31] <LjL> DarknessX: pool/main/b/binutils/binutils_2.16.1-2ubuntu6_i386.deb
[12:31] <neoncode> hey it worked! well... i ran that .exe. file agein after putting the dll in /system/ and it gave a diffrent error! something about needing an .ocx
[12:31] <LjL> DarknessX: i just typed "apt-cache show binutils"
[12:31] <thompa> it still shows battery so i did it wrong.
[12:31] <neoncode> so it must have found it
[12:31] <DarknessX> LjL, thanks
[12:32] <thompa> the problem is on boot it cant find dhcp offer, im almost sure its acpi in kernel 2.6.12 on up
[12:33] <thompa> just trying to find some ideas.
[12:33] <neoncode> how do I mount a cdrom. automount has failed me... 
[12:33] <thompa> without acpi is not good either,
[12:34] <Delvien> WOOT fixed my Backlight problem when i close the lid . Backlight now turns completely off..
[12:34] <troy> neoncode: do you have the disk showing on the desktop?
[12:34] <neoncode> troy: nope
[12:35] <neoncode> troy: Oh wiat. i got it
[12:35] <neoncode> *wait sorry
[12:35] <troy> right click on that icon will give you Mount
[12:36] <thompa> how do you restart the whole network service?
[12:36] <neoncode> troy: No I found it under /media/cdrom1
[12:37] <crimsun> there are drives that will freeze the system completely if DMA is enabled
[12:37] <Delvien> Anyone here know about new ATI drivers?
[12:38] <neoncode> Delvien: What now? I have ATi and I use fglrx...
[12:39] <Delvien> neoncode i got my 3d working a while ago but somehow my fglrxinfo reverted back to mesa
[12:39] <thompa> /etc/rc.d/init.d/network restart
[12:39] <thompa> got it
[12:40] <_sean> What's going on with debtags on Dapper?
[12:40] <neoncode> Yay! warcraft III is installing. 
[12:41] <crimsun> _sean: it's awaiting a sync from Sid, why?
[12:43] <_sean> crimsun: Just curious as to how long it'd be broken for. It prevented me from rebooting my machine and I had to reinstall. Actually, I didn't expect such a direct answer, to be honest. 
[12:43] <yannz> So, is there any good benchmarking-tools in ubuntu?
[12:44] <crimsun> _sean: "It's Dapper"
[12:46] <_sean> crimsun: Hmm?
[12:46] <troy> yannz: what kind of benchmarking?
[12:46] <crimsun> _sean: stuff breaks constantly this early in the devel cycle. For instance, there are at least 3 transitions occurring right now.
[12:47] <yannz> troy: well, glxgears used to say 10 000 fps. now it just displays.. gears. something along the lines.
[12:47] <_sean> crimsun: Oh, I know. I'm definitely not complaining, and I realize that things get broken. I was just curious.
[12:47] <troy> yannz: there's a command line switch now
[12:47] <_sean> crimsun: I haven't gone through a Linux release cycle thing before, I'm new to all of this.
[12:47] <yannz> troy, oh. .well, it did not respond well to --help or -h or anything..
[12:48] <troy> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[12:48] <troy> I'm not joking
[12:48] <yannz> troy, haha :D
[12:48] <yannz> seriously.
[12:49] <troy> it'll displays FPS then
[12:49] <yannz> yeah, i believed you.
[12:49] <troy> oh okay, sometimes it takes people a while
[12:50] <yannz> yeah, it seems pretty unbelievable.
[12:50] <yannz> but I have heard people badmouth it for years now.
[12:50] <yannz> now, for a serious benchmark, do you (or anybody else?) know about one?
[12:50] <troy> if you are using the fglrx ati drivers, then use fgl_glxgears
[12:50] <neoncode> how do I force eject a drvie?
[12:50] <yannz> I'm using the nvidia-driver.
[12:51] <troy> neoncode: sudo eject -f /dev/hdz
[12:51] <troy> yannz: then it won't help :)
[12:51] <neoncode> oh wiat I got it "eject cdrom1"
[12:51] <yannz> ;D
[12:51] <neoncode> no sudo requred...
[12:51] <troy> well, sudo will force :P can't use -f as normal user I don't think
[12:52] <neoncode> troy: It opened it anyway
[12:52] <neoncode> Hey I heard that wine will not run under the 64-bit version of linux?
[12:53] <troy> well, there's no packages for it
[12:54] <neoncode> troy: Well if you had a 64 bit processer and you wanted to run wine, couldent you dual-boot with a i368 linux and an amd-64 linux? doesn't i368 or whatver run on almost anything?
[12:56] <ninHer> hi all
[12:56] <neoncode> ninHer: Hi there.
[12:56] <_sean> ninHer: Heya.
[12:56] <thompa> i think i booted noacpi but i still have battery levels
[12:57] <neoncode> how do I know what kernel verion I have?
[12:57] <troy> uname -a
[12:57] <crimsun> neoncode: uname -r
[12:58] <troy> errr
[12:58] <crimsun> (either will, but the former is more concise)
[12:59] <neoncode> Ahh! that's why warcraft III is not lauching...
[01:00] <neoncode> it says on wineHQ that warcraft III uses SecuRom to check for the CD and it lists sevral prequesets to get that working. It says I need wine version 20050830 but the ubuntu reposotory version is 20050725
[01:01] <troy> neoncode: I have amd64 here
[01:01] <neoncode> Long story short, how do I enble the wine repos so I can get the latest version?
[01:01] <neoncode> troy: Can you use wine?
[01:02] <troy> neoncode: I can chose to install either the amd64 version of ubuntu and have some limited support for 32 bit, or I can installed the i386 ubuntu, and wine will just work
[01:02] <troy> neoncode: right now ubuntu stinks at running 32bit stuff on 64bit -- it's a major shortfall of the amd64 version at the moment
[01:02] <troy> neoncode: for example, flash does not work, but opera does...
[01:03] <troy> and they are both distributed as 32 binaries :)
[01:03] <neoncode> Ooo, well i'm possibly going to be building a new computer in march and i'm wondering if I should go for a 64 bit CPU...
[01:03] <troy> do it, but be aware that a few applications will have problems
[01:04] <troy> the version of openoffice that comes with breezy on amd64 is actually the 32 bit version - works just fine
[01:04] <troy> (the 64bit version of openoffice is still unstable)
[01:06] <neoncode> troy: Hmm. I might just play it safe and stick with a 32-bit CPU, wait, If I get an AMD 64 can I run the i386(or whatever it was) version just as well? Heard that 64 bit CPU's can run 32 bit programs?
[01:06] <troy> yes, you can
[01:07] <troy> you can install the i386 ubuntu and it'll work perfectly - the only problem is that you aren't gaining full advantage of the 64bit instruction set
[01:07] <neoncode> troy: 64-bit it is then. :) Oh do you suggest an ATi or an NVIDIA Grapics chipset?
[01:07] <neoncode> I have ATi right now
[01:07] <troy> my ati chipset works fine with the ubuntu supplied drivers and 64bit
[01:08] <troy> haven't tried nvidia with it since I don't have any PCI Express nvidia cards yet :)
[01:09] <troy> I assume it works though, since there is a nvidia supplied driver available for ubuntu 64
[01:09] <neoncode> hey if I run 'sudo apt-get update' will it update for all apt programs?
[01:09] <neoncode> troy: thanks for the input...
[01:09] <damnhil> where do I report bugs in gstreamer?
[01:11] <neoncode> yay for winehq's repo
[01:12] <troy> damnhil: try bugzilla.ubuntu.com first, if it's a problem upstream, they will usually forward it
[01:14] <_sean> What do I need to do to get MP3s playing?
[01:15] <mymayer> _sean: same question here :)
[01:16] <_sean> mymayer: Now we just need someone with some answers.....
[01:18] <ilba7r> _sean either install gstreamer or wincodec
[01:19] <ilba7r> look it up in ubuntu documentations you will find your answer
[01:19] <libben> ctrl+alt+esc== xkill?
[01:19] <libben> just noticed it when i was gonna hit ctrl+esc =)
[01:20] <Knowerrors> try ctrl+alt+bckspc , reboots x
[01:21] <libben> yeah, that one i know of =)
[01:21] <rob1> hi, how can I make gtk apps look better (not use gtk1) in kde?
[01:24] <rob1> ok I figured it out
[01:25] <troy> libben: yeah, also ctrl-alt-del in KDE gives you logout options :)
[01:26] <libben> lol, never thought of hitting those famous keys in linux actually
[01:26] <libben> good to know
[01:32] <Knowerrors> anybody here use kxdocker?
[01:35] <_sean> Kaffeine crashes with an error about a resource not being available. Anyone know what to do about that?
[01:35] <troy> well, at the console (not in X), it'll reboot your computer in most cases
[01:35] <troy> _sean: what kind of file are you playing
[01:35] <_sean> mp3s
[01:38] <osh> I'm trying to copy files from my digital camera but all I get is the status-bar going from "Initializing camera" to "Stalled" and back again. I can't see any files being copied. The camera seems to be working though, as I can see the pictures in the "camera://"-view.
[01:38] <thompa> hi, how do i stop my network in ubuntu?
[01:39] <thompa> im compiling new ipw2200...
[01:39] <osh> Has anyone managed to do this with their camera?
[01:39] <osh> thompa: sudo /etc/init.d/networking stop
[01:39] <thompa> thanks
[01:39] <thompa> i thought i did that
[01:40] <osh> thompa: or perhaps "sudo ifconfig eth0 down" if eth0 is your interface.
[01:40] <thompa> i think i was typing network the whole time
[01:40] <thompa> should use tab more often
[01:40] <l3m>   thompa ipw2200 is included in the current brezzy 2.6.12 kernels, you don't have to compile yourself anymore. 
[01:41] <l3m> breezy
[01:41] <_sean> Kaffeine crashes with an error about a resource not being available. Anyone know what to do about that?
[01:41] <thompa> l3m: its not working for me.
[01:41] <thompa> l3m: does that mean i have to remove them from the kernel first?
[01:42] <l3m> thompa: does it show up when you type lspci? 
[01:42] <thompa> following this thread http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623
[01:42] <thompa> let me check
[01:42] <l3m> thompa: well it will probably overwrite during install 
[01:43] <l3m> thompa: if it does show up in lspci, try modprobing it. 
[01:43] <l3m> ( i have a ip2200 too and it worked out of the box with 2.6.10 and .12 
[01:43] <thompa> no its not in lspci
[01:43] <thompa> ive got it working on sony vaio
[01:44] <thompa> toshiba m45 is off and on depending on battery status or acpi maybe
[01:45] <thompa> but even booting with noacpi is certain. it worksed in kernel 2.6.11
[01:45] <l3m> thompa: hmm some laptops have hardware off switch. make sure it's not that first.. it is internal, right? 
[01:45] <thompa> l3m: thanks 
[01:45] <thompa> no its on now
[01:45] <thompa> wireless works like every 10th boot
[01:46] <l3m> is the kernel module loaded? 
[01:46] <thompa> depending on power, 
[01:46] <l3m> lsmod | grep ip2200
[01:46] <thompa> let me check
[01:46] <l3m> ipw220
[01:46] <l3m> 0
[01:46] <l3m> lol can't type 
[01:46] <thompa> yes they are all there
[01:47] <thompa> ieee etc
[01:47] <thingy> osh: what type of connection is the camera connected to your box with?
[01:47] <thompa> l3m: can i just remove them
[01:48] <thompa> im hoping that by compiling from source the latest it might work
[01:48] <thompa> not much else left except suse 9.3
[01:48] <thingy> osh: can you do a mount and tell me if you can see the camera mounted...and if so, can you try a cp command to copy over some pics
[01:49] <thompa> l3m: is it modprobe -r
[01:49] <l3m> thompa: what's the exact problem (except "it doesn't work" ).?
[01:49] <l3m> rmmod ipw2200
[01:49] <l3m> try modprobing after rmmod
[01:49] <thompa> l3m: not sure...
[01:49] <thompa> l3m: ive been writing it down
[01:50] <l3m> but if the module is loaded, it's probably not the module so recompilation might not be the fix
[01:50] <thompa> l3m: intermittant wireless 
[01:50] <thompa> l3m: plugged in i had dhcp discover endeless
[01:50] <l3m> do you have a firewall? 
[01:51] <l3m> locally?
[01:51] <thompa> no
[01:51] <l3m> thompa: and you're sure dhcp was using the right interface?
[01:51] <thompa> i got a sony vaio ipw2200 working right here
[01:51] <thompa> yes
[01:51] <l3m> ok
[01:51] <l3m> i'm on a sony vaio too.. ;)
[01:52] <thompa> it works vgn fs-660/w
[01:52] <l3m> what msg did you get when modprobing ipw2200 after rmmod?
[01:52] <l3m> tcg-tr5mp
[01:52] <l3m> hehe
[01:52] <thompa> got nvidia?
[01:52] <thompa> i do
[01:52] <thompa> hang on dont go away your helping lots
[01:53] <l3m> no integrated intel
[01:53] <l3m> in the laptop
[01:53] <l3m> nvidia on the game box ;)
[01:53] <thompa> i got integrated intel on the toshiba m45 in question
[01:54] <thompa> rmmod module does not exist
[01:54] <thompa> same for ieee
[01:54] <l3m> sudo rmmod ipw2200
[01:54] <l3m> hmmm
[01:54] <l3m> do a "modprobe ipw2200"
[01:54] <thompa> does not exist
[01:54] <l3m> but it shows up in lsmod???
[01:55] <thompa> nothing
[01:55] <l3m> did you install a new kernel? 
[01:55] <l3m> so it doesn't show up in lsmod after all?
[01:55] <thompa> no it does not show in lsmod
[01:56] <l3m> ok
[01:56] <l3m> type "uname -r"
[01:56] <thompa> ive done modprobe -r
[01:56] <l3m> uname -r will print the kernel version 
[01:57] <thompa> 2.6.12-10
[01:57] <l3m> aah
[01:57] <thompa> the old one is the same problem
[01:57] <l3m> did you install the firmware?
[01:57] <ilba7r> thompa i have nearly same problem with the same card. I know there is an updated module for it for ubuntu use an old driver. Unfourtanetly it uses old kernel and old gcc compiler than present in breezy
[01:57] <thompa> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=26623
[01:58] <thompa> im using that thread but with newer packages
[01:58] <thompa> make etc is working fine
[01:59] <ilba7r> did all that i think 1.1.0 is the stable one right
[01:59] <thompa> l3m: funny unplugged i had ipw2200 failed to transmit power
[01:59] <l3m> hmmm
[02:00] <thompa> l3m: funny unplugged i had ipw2200 failed to transmit powebut after 3rd boot got wireless
[02:00] <thompa> with noacpi i had somewhat better results
[02:00] <thompa> but im not sure anymore. 
[02:01] <l3m> hmm but no acpi on a laptop is bad
[02:01] <ToyMan> hi all
[02:01] <thompa> i know
[02:01] <l3m> sleep + hiberate and stuff
[02:01] <mrmarcel> hi
[02:01] <ToyMan> wonder if someone could help me out with a bad breezy upgrade
[02:01] <ToyMan> are there known issues with xorg?
[02:02] <ToyMan> seems like mostly the upgrade took, but no x
[02:02] <ToyMan> saw a reference to changing the font path, which I did
[02:03] <thompa> l3m: older kernel was working well on suse 9.3
[02:03] <l3m> maybe it's some powersavings gone wild
[02:03] <thompa> evrything else has been the same
[02:04] <thompa> well its very silent
[02:04] <ToyMan> i'm just getting a bunch of ".pcf" already registered type messages....
[02:04] <l3m> you have the firmware which belongs to the kernel ipw2200 module version?
[02:04] <ToyMan> and then x bombs
[02:04] <thompa> yes i got everything new
[02:04] <thompa> firmware , ieee, and driver
[02:04] <thompa> its going to take me a bit
[02:05] <l3m> thompa: not the latest version
[02:05] <thompa> yes
[02:05] <l3m> thompa: not the latest version. you need 2.3 not 2.4
[02:05] <l3m> ok
[02:05] <thompa> i got 2.4
[02:05] <l3m> get 2.3 
[02:05] <thompa> why
[02:05] <l3m> the version in the ubuntu kernel is 1.0.6
[02:06] <thompa> 1.06??
[02:06] <_sean> Kaffeine crashes with an error about a resource not being available. Anyone know what to do about that?
[02:06] <thompa> l3m: is that old or diff. numbering system
[02:06] <thompa> or new
[02:06] <thompa> oh
[02:07] <thompa> so thats like ancient
[02:07] <l3m> kernel module = 1.0.6 kernel version 2.6.12-10 firmware = 2.3; later kernel modules need firmware 2.4
[02:07] <l3m> install the 2.3 firmware too
[02:07] <l3m> and see if it works
[02:07] <l3m> you can have them concurrently
[02:07] <thompa> ok 
[02:08] <thompa> so ive got 2.4 in kernel? and should try 2.3
[02:08] <neoncode> hey, ubotu has no idea what "gnu" is...
[02:09] <l3m> no ;) 
[02:09] <thompa> :(
[02:09] <l3m> don't worry
[02:09] <l3m> ;)
[02:10] <l3m> the current kernel of kubuntu 2.6.12
[02:10] <l3m> contains a ipw2200 driver module of version 1.0.6
[02:11] <l3m> this version requires ipw firmware 2.3
[02:11] <thompa> oh
[02:11] <l3m> version 1.0.7 and later require 2.4
[02:11] <thompa> 1.0.8 is the driver i got
[02:11] <l3m> the selfcompiled?
[02:12] <thompa> not yet
[02:12] <l3m> i'd suggest using the kubuntu one
[02:12] <l3m> with the proper firmwire it'll work
[02:12] <l3m> it should. at least ;)
[02:13] <l3m> thompa: you did install the -restricted modules, right? 
[02:13] <thompa> dont know
[02:13] <thompa> ill check
[02:14] <thompa> yes 2.6.14.4
[02:14] <thompa> sorry 2.6.12
[02:15] <l3m> thompa: ok so try "sudo modprobe ipw2200"
[02:15] <thompa> nothing
[02:15] <l3m> nothing? no error?
[02:15] <thompa> nope
[02:16] <l3m> then  try lsmod | grep ipw2200 again
[02:16] <l3m> and try sudo iwconfig
[02:16] <ToyMan> has anyone here done a hoary to breezy upgrade that worked?
[02:17] <thompa> il3m: ive been removing modules with modprobe -r
[02:18] <thompa> l3m: because of compile error of presence of old modules
[02:18] <l3m> thompa: ok. but that's not the point. modprobe ipw2200 will give you an error message or a short text that ipw2200 will ahve been loaded
[02:18] <thompa> lsmod | shows them all
[02:19] <l3m> thompa: the only way modprobe doesn't give output is if ipw2200 is loaded already
[02:19] <l3m> if it's loaded already, it should show up in lsmod
[02:19] <thompa> ipw2200, ieee all ther
[02:19] <l3m> ok try dmesg | grep 2200
[02:20] <thompa> bunch of ipw stuff
[02:20] <thompa> 1.06
[02:20] <thompa> 1.0.6 shows
[02:20] <thompa> 2200bg network connection etc
[02:20] <l3m> does it has "has been successfully loaded" ?
[02:20] <l3m> forget that
[02:21] <l3m> does it say "detected"? i guess it does
[02:21] <thompa> nope
[02:21] <thompa> just lists 6 lines
[02:21] <l3m> can you paste those lines into the pastebin?
[02:21] <thompa> 2 for the same driver
[02:21] <thompa> yes
[02:21] <l3m> kubuntu.pastebin.com
[02:21] <thompa> maybe
[02:22] <thompa> its offline
[02:22] <l3m> rafb.net/paste
[02:22] <l3m> ah
[02:22] <l3m> ok
[02:22] <l3m> lol
[02:22] <l3m> indeed
[02:22] <thompa> no im back up
[02:22] <l3m> ok what's written there?
[02:22] <thompa> hang on
[02:22] <l3m> k
[02:23] <thompa> i needed to restart network
[02:23] <thompa> done
[02:25] <l3m> can you paste the link?
[02:25] <l3m> ;)
[02:26] <thompa> i alsoposted lsmod output
[02:26] <l3m> yeah i see
[02:26] <l3m> i wonder why it shows up twice
[02:27] <thompa> kubuntu.pastebin.com/439278
[02:27] <l3m> yeah i found it 
[02:27] <thompa> i cant paste so 
[02:27] <thompa> ok
[02:28] <l3m> do you have wep? wpa? mac-access-list?
[02:28] <thompa> i left all that out to make it easier
[02:28] <l3m> so you have an open accesspoint and your laptop
[02:28] <thompa> to troubleshoot
[02:28] <l3m> and the ap assigns dhcp addresses
[02:29] <thompa> my vaio has it
[02:29] <thompa> yes
[02:29] <l3m> type iwconfig and ifconfig
[02:29] <thompa> its a linksys vonage wireless voip
[02:29] <thompa> router, hope thats not the problem
[02:29] <thompa> ok
[02:30] <l3m> sudo ... 
[02:30] <thompa> :ieee 80211b  essid:linksys
[02:31] <l3m> hmm this looks good
[02:31] <thompa> let me get on the laptops irc//
[02:31] <l3m> i think it found the essid itself, right? 
[02:31] <thompa> yes it works right now
[02:31] <thompa> it wont work when i boot
[02:32] <thompa> unless i maybe starve it of power at just the right point
[02:32] <l3m> lol
[02:32] <l3m> hmm
[02:33] <thompa> if the power is below 20% no wireless
[02:33] <l3m> and the ipw2200 module is loaded when you boot and it doesn't work
[02:33] <thompa> unless maybe m,aybe noacpi
[02:33] <l3m> thompa: ok
[02:33] <thompa> ive been writing this down
[02:33] <l3m> thompa: but this means you should check the powersaving settings
[02:33] <thompa> obsessed
[02:33] <l3m> probably
[02:33] <thompa> been there done that married the catholic girl 
[02:34] <thompa> how do i check power saving?\
[02:34] <l3m> hmm klaptop
[02:34] <l3m> try icon
[02:34] <l3m> tray
[02:34] <l3m> the rightclick->configure klaptop
[02:35] <thompa> ive seen that stuff, acpi is all enabled
[02:36] <thompa> maybe default power profiles
[02:36] <thompa> all power all the time
[02:37] <thompa> i did not powered performance cpu throttle 0
[02:37] <l3m> hmmm
[02:37] <l3m> i'm running out of ideas.. but i understand now why you resorted to compiling your own kernel module
[02:38] <thompa> i know, thanks you gave me some new ideas
[02:38] <thompa> somehow i think ,maybe stupidly, that the order of acpi and dhcp discover is an issue
[02:39] <l3m> thompa: well just make it non-auto and type ifup eth1 (or similar) everytime the computer rebooted 
[02:39] <thompa> l3m: ive done that 
[02:40] <thompa> works in windows so its not the machine
[02:40] <thompa> updated bios
[02:41] <thompa> l3m: i got power max, unplugged, going for the reboot
[02:41] <l3m> good luck
[02:42] <thompa> thanks for the hlp
[02:42] <thompa> well its working
[02:43] <l3m> yay
[02:43] <l3m> :)
[02:43] <thompa> but i need to let the power get down to maybe 10%
[02:43] <thompa> i can tell at boot because it doesnt halt at network so long
[02:44] <thompa> l3m: if this works i can just go to a low power state once connected
[02:45] <thompa> faster connection too
[02:45] <l3m> :)
[02:45] <l3m> anyway, you shouldn't really be at 10% power ever 
[02:45] <l3m> hrhr
[02:46] <thompa> its done it at 50% too, 
[02:47] <thompa> just going to keep rebooting, plugging in and out
[02:48] <l3m> thompa: hmm in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf you can setup shorter intervals
[02:48] <l3m> at least then dhcp won't block so long if it doesn't work
[02:49] <thompa> i know that one,
[02:49] <thompa> im changing everything to low power not plugged in see if it fails
[02:55] <Massacration> does anyone know how to make kubuntu play sounds in 2 or more programs at the same time? which sound system should I use?
[02:56] <l3m> anything but arts ;)
[03:00] <Massacration> but using any soud system like alsa or oss I cant play souds in two programs at the same time
[03:02] <ubuntu> speak spanish?
[03:02] <Massacration> no
[03:03] <Massacration> portuguese ad english only
[03:03] <Massacration> but can say aything in spanish, I can understand
[03:24] <ubuntu> is there a theme manager in the kubuntu live cd and if so where is it?
[03:30] <l3m> ubuntu: system settings->appearance
[03:57] <WolfManz611> how do i change the font size in the applications menu?
[04:12] <Sgep> Can I somehow use ebuilds?
[04:13] <crimsun> no.
[04:13] <WolfManz611> how do i change the font size in the applications menu?
[04:34] <mzelem> I have trouble copying and pasting between nedit and firefox, and other programs, anyone have a clue why that would be?
[04:36] <endo602> anyone know how I can permanently change xmodmap?
[04:45] <endo602> i figured how to turn off the caps lock key
[04:46] <endo602> but I dont know how to change it to anything
[04:46] <endo602> no matter
[04:46] <endo602> good night yall
[04:47] <endo602> onelast thing
[04:47] <endo602> anyone elese get this
[04:47] <endo602> when i try open a document using openoffice on the new kde3.5 it wont open
[04:47] <endo602> hwat i have to do is
[04:47] <endo602> open openoffice 
[04:48] <endo602> then opn the document from there
[04:48] <endo602> is there a way to change that?
[04:48] <Hobbsee> endo602: attempting to replicate...
[04:48] <Hobbsee> works here
[04:48] <Hobbsee> endo602: check what program is used to open those files - you may need to force it to "open with..." then select the correct program
[04:52] <endo602> hmmm
[04:53] <endo602> it trys to load openoffffice
[04:53] <endo602> it just doesnt load it
[04:53] <mzelem> Hi, I'm using breezy, and I have trouble copying and pasting between nedit and firefox, and other programs, anyone know how to fix that?
[04:53] <endo602> i get the loading screen and then nothing
[04:54] <Hobbsee> endo602: hmmm....i seem to recall having that before, dont remember how i fixed it though
[04:55] <endo602> well if you remember holla
[04:55] <endo602> thanks man
[05:03] <endo602> how do i log into a remote unix server using the konsole?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[05:06] <ubotu> ssh is probably http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[05:18] <pussfeller> wheres the qt dir in kubuntu, like for use in configure?
[05:20] <_thiago> does anyone here uses scilab?
[05:31] <ubuntu> morning folks....I came with a simple question. I am in live DVD in kde and I can't figureout how to start installer
[05:31] <ubuntu> maybe I missed some menu during startup (boot)
[05:34] <ubuntu> so hmm...no ideas?
[05:34] <ubuntu> I guess I should restart and see what's up
[05:56] <fevoldj2> Hi
[05:57] <fevoldj2> I installed webmin and tried uninstalling it.. now the packages are broken and not even reinstalling it fixes the broken packages.
[06:08] <thompa> !nvidia
[06:08] <ubotu> hmm... nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[06:08] <fevoldj2> I installed webmin and tried uninstalling it.. now the packages are broken and not even reinstalling it fixes the broken packages.
[06:23] <fevoldj2> Anyone here?
[06:23] <fevoldj2> http://pastebin.com/439403
[06:26] <seth_k|lappy> you're missing a webmin depends
[06:27] <fevoldj2> the directories are all gone
[06:27] <seth_k|lappy> first try a sudo dpkg --configure -a
[06:27] <fevoldj2> ok
[06:28] <fevoldj2> can I pm the result to yoU?
[06:28] <seth_k|lappy> if it didn't work, make sure you've installed the "webmin" package first
[06:28] <seth_k|lappy> um, you might get booted for flood... don't worry about pasting the result
[06:29] <fevoldj2> Okay
[06:29] <fevoldj2> Well it says dependency problems prevent configuration of webmin-mailboxes
[06:29] <fevoldj2> I don't understand why it wont' simply reinstall
[06:32] <seth_k|lappy> if the package "webmin" won't install
[06:32] <seth_k|lappy> do a sudo apt-get remove --purge blahblah operation
[06:32] <seth_k|lappy> to purge everything
[06:32] <seth_k|lappy> then install only webmin-core
[06:32] <seth_k|lappy> then add the plugins
[06:32] <ddds> could someone please help me to configure my DHCP
[06:33] <fevoldj2> so purge the programs\plugins that had trouble?
[06:33] <viviersf> any1 have an idea why guarddog blocks all traffic ?
[06:34] <fevoldj2> seth_k|lappy, that doesn't work
[06:34] <fevoldj2> same errors
[06:35] <seth_k|lappy> you can't purge?
[06:35] <fevoldj2> nope
[06:36] <fevoldj2> /etc/webmin/webmin.acl: No such file or directory
[06:36] <fevoldj2> dpkg: error processing webmin-apache (--purge):
[06:36] <fevoldj2> just an example
[06:36] <seth_k|lappy> how about
[06:36] <seth_k|lappy> sudo touch /etc/webmin/webmin.acl
[06:36] <seth_k|lappy> then try it again
[06:37] <fevoldj2> Like I said the webmin directory doesn't even exist for some reason
[06:37] <seth_k|lappy> ah
[06:38] <fevoldj2> I wish the thing would just reinstall
[06:40] <viviersf> !closedformats
[06:40] <ubotu> viviersf: Do they come in packets of five?
[06:40] <viviersf> :/
[06:40] <seth_k|lappy> viviersf, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[06:43] <ddds> both times i've installed breezy now, dhcp doesnt work during install and after its installed and i enable dhcp it still doesnt work, i have to dhclient eth0 to get an ip
[06:43] <ddds> when i enable the device in the admin panel it just goes back to disabled? ( i am doing it as admin )
[06:44] <viviersf> !restricedformats
[06:44] <ubotu> viviersf: I don't know, could you explain it?
[07:23] <tarheelcoxn> !restrictedformats
[07:25] <tarheelcoxn> orrr not
[07:26] <BlankC> !nvidia
[07:39] <BlankC> What happened to ubotu?
[07:43] <seth_k|lappy> ubotu died in the server split
[07:43] <seth_k|lappy> someone will have to jumpstart him
[07:43] <robotgeek> seth_k|lappy: howdy
[07:44] <robotgeek> !ubotu
[07:44] <seth_k|lappy> hi robotgeek, did you figure out mySQL
[07:44] <seth_k|lappy> robotgeek, ubotu is MIA after the server split methinks
[07:44] <robotgeek> seth_k|lappy: still waiting for the dns propgation to go thru, only then can i access the cpanel 
[07:44] <seth_k|lappy> robotgeek, http://server.asmallorange.com/cpanel/ will get you to cpanel too
[07:45] <robotgeek> seth_k|lappy: great. i'll upload my db's now :)
[07:45] <seth_k|lappy> you have full mysql access via shell too, so I'd suggest upping the db's that way probably
[07:46] <seth_k|lappy> create the db's in CPanel, then import via SSH
[07:46] <robotgeek> seth_k|lappy: yes, i read the bit on the forum
[07:46] <seth_k|lappy> ok :)
[07:46] <seth_k|lappy> and you caught me just as I'm off to bed, have a good night again ;)
[07:46] <robotgeek> seth_k|lappy: no prbs, thanks for your help
[08:29] <Sgep> Night all
[08:57] <jazwec> hi all
[08:58] <jazwec> please could anybody help me?
[08:58] <crimsun> (if you ask)
[08:58] <jazwec> whats that command for editing sources.list
[08:58] <jazwec> crimsun i was writing :)
[08:58] <robotgeek> jazwec: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:58] <jazwec> thats what i tried
[08:58] <crimsun> err, gedit is installed with Kubuntu now?
[08:58] <jazwec> gedit isnt working
[08:59] <jazwec> i think it was something on w
[08:59] <jazwec> but im not sure
[08:59] <nalioth> jazwec: alt-f2 > kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:00] <jazwec> nalioth its opened but its blank
[09:00] <nalioth> jazwec: then something is missing, i suspect
[09:00] <nalioth> !wgetsources
[09:00] <ubotu> it has been said that wgetsources is for ubuntu breezy.  To use it, put "sudo wget http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/d2325 -O /etc/apt/sources.list" into a terminal, without the quotes
[09:01] <nalioth> that ubotu gets smarter every day
[09:01] <jazwec> oh..ists good now
[09:01] <jazwec> thanks
[09:01] <nalioth> jazwec: ok.
[09:01] <jazwec> and my second question :)
[09:02] <jazwec> when i want to update my kubuntu
[09:02] <jazwec> i have to rewrite  it from hoary - breezy
[09:02] <drumline> adept says that it can't commit the changes when updating...  has anyone seen that?
[09:02] <drumline> weird
[09:02] <nalioth> jazwec: i dont understand
[09:03] <jazwec> (im updateing from 5.4 to 5.10)
[09:03] <nalioth> raphink: what time do you usually come online?
[09:03] <jazwec> nalioth just how can i update kubuntu
[09:03] <drumline> I want to run bitchx for IRC...   I suppose I can run over to the Debian site and grab the package from there?
[09:03] <nalioth> !breezy
[09:03] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[09:03] <robotgeek> drumline: bitchx is in the ubuntu repos
[09:03] <drumline> repos?  :)
[09:03] <robotgeek> repositories
[09:03] <drumline> oh...  got it
[09:04] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell drumline about repos
[09:04] <robotgeek> you will need to enable universe
[09:04] <nalioth> and while you're there, enable multiverse, too
[09:05] <raphink> nalioth: why?
[09:06] <drumline> so I need to add synaptics?
[09:06] <drumline> installing synaptics now
[09:07] <drumline> this update system is pretty nice
[09:07] <nalioth> raphink: i want to pick your brains when we are both alert
[09:09] <raphink> nalioth: anytime
[09:09] <raphink> LOL
[09:09] <drumline> i take it openldap is in universe also
[09:10] <drumline> I was using adept to manage packages...  Should I be using synaptic exclusively or both?
[09:11] <nalioth> drumline: use what you like
[09:11] <raphink> nalioth: where are you?
[09:12] <nalioth> raphink: Houston, Tx
[09:12] <raphink> you can use either drumline 
[09:12] <drumline> nalioth: Thanks  :)    I'd like your opinion on which one is better...   
[09:12] <drumline> both will do universe and multiverse?
[09:12] <nalioth> drumline: synaptic is the most advanced gui pkg mangler
[09:12] <raphink> (although my preference to manage packages goes to the command line)
[09:13] <raphink> ok
[09:13] <drumline> command line!
[09:13] <drumline> nalioth: thanks...  looks that way
[09:13] <nalioth> raphink: i DID say 'mangler'
[09:13] <raphink> nalioth: I'm GMT+1 if you want to calculate ;)
[09:13] <nalioth> i'm gmt-6
[09:13] <nalioth> or -7 depending on DST
[09:14] <raphink> drumline: it's not the same, and it's not exclusive
[09:14] <drumline> alrighty... I've enabled all the universes and the multiverse...  The program said that they were not supported; that is they aren't supported by the Ubuntu project directly, correct?   How do I know they are secure?
[09:14] <raphink> if you want as many programs as possible available, then activate _both_ universe and multiverse
[09:14] <raphink> drumline: yeah, what's wrong with command line? ;)
[09:14] <drumline> raphink: nothing...  That's why I'm downloading bitchx  :)
[09:15] <raphink> mangler... ?
[09:15] <raphink> wazza?
[09:16] <nalioth> drumline: irssi
[09:16] <drumline> I started with FreeBSD 100% command line...   It concerns me that there's a lot of GUI on linux now without mention of what is going on behind the scenes because the command line is the basics
[09:16] <nalioth> raphink: to mangle something is to wad it up until it's useless
[09:16] <drumline> irssi, IRC client?
[09:16] <raphink> what said what was not supported when and how?
[09:16] <drumline> bitchx is highly usable...   hardly mangled.
[09:16] <nalioth> drumline: yes, much more advanced then bitchX (and more approved by mothers everywhere)
[09:17] <drumline> raphink: when I put the button on the repositories, it said that messages.
[09:17] <drumline> nalioth: kid tested and mother approved?
[09:17] <nalioth> drumline: i said nothing about bitchX and mangled
[09:17] <nalioth> raphink: it's a joke i make all the time. 
[09:17] <drumline> nalioth: no...  i thought raph did
[09:18] <drumline> So I take it that ubuntu is the most popular distro right now?   Am I right?
[09:18] <raphink> hmmm ok
[09:18] <drumline> raphink: were you able to reproduce it?
[09:19] <drumline> "packages in this component are not supported.  Are you sure?"
[09:19] <raphink> I think you are right drumline 
[09:19] <raphink> and it has been so for 2 years now
[09:19] <raphink> to reproduce what drumline ?
[09:20] <raphink> ooooooooooh
[09:20] <raphink> ic
[09:20] <drumline> raphink: oh...  the thing with the packages saying that they aren't supported.   I'm trying to figure out what that means...   does that mean that the ubuntu team takes no responsibility for them jacking up my system...    
[09:20] <raphink> well I don't use adept or synaptic
[09:20] <drumline> How do I know the packages there are secure?
[09:20] <raphink> I don't like to use a gui to manage packages as I said
[09:20] <drumline> raph: ahh. ok..   
[09:20] <raphink> for many other things I do but not for this ;)
[09:20] <raphink> apt-get is so powerful that nothing else is required
[09:21] <drumline> raph: in regards to the them not being supported: how do we know that they are secure packages?
[09:21] <drumline> I've heard about apt-get...  many folks like it
[09:21] <nalioth> raphink: i'd like to pick your brains re pbuilder, but i'm about to fall asleep now
[09:21] <raphink> drumline: the universe and multiverse packages are not official if I'm not wrong
[09:21] <nalioth> aptitude is good, if you use it only
[09:21] <raphink> they are contributions to the system
[09:22] <drumline> made by trusted sources, I gather... 
[09:22] <raphink> although a package is not added to universe and multiverse without being checked 
[09:22] <raphink> drumline: adept is just a gui for apt-get
[09:23] <raphink> I don't like aptitude, it installs too many things 
[09:23] <raphink> nalioth: at what time to you plan to wake up?
[09:23] <raphink> drumline: universe and multiverse should be secure
[09:23] <drumline> ok cool.. thanks :)
[09:23] <nalioth> probably in 8 or 9 hours
[09:23] <drumline> this is cool.. I appreciate your help guys
[09:24] <raphink> for a package to apply to universe, the maintainer has to have it reviewed
[09:24] <raphink> when it has been approved by at least 2 responsibles (called MOTU), then it can be uploaded to the official repos
[09:24] <raphink> and the selection criteriae are quite serious. They check security, the package quality, etc.
[09:25] <raphink> nalioth: so I guess I'll see you tonight ;)
[09:25] <raphink> in 9 hours it'll be 18:30 here
[09:25] <bsdboy> Sun Nov 27 00:25:36 PST 2005
[09:26] <raphink> drumline: the apt-get syntax is very easy if you want to learn it 
[09:26] <raphink> apt-get install $package : installs package
[09:26] <raphink> apt-get remove $package : deinstalls package
[09:27] <raphink> bsdboy: ??
[09:27] <raphink> drumline: then you have :
[09:27] <raphink> apt-cache search $string : search for a $string in package names and descriptions
[09:27] <raphink> apt-cache show $package : show $package description
[09:28] <nalioth> raphink: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg00104.html
[09:28] <drumline> right on guys  :)
[09:28] <nalioth> drumline: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/10/msg00104.html
[09:28] <raphink> and there are many options ;)
[09:28] <Delvien> Why in the world cant i change the order of things in Kmenu
[09:29] <drumline> ok
[09:30] <raphink> you can Delvien 
[09:31] <raphink> use kmenuedit Delvien 
[09:31] <chx> hi. I tried to apt-get install something but now decided against it 
[09:32] <Delvien> raphink right clicking and hitting edit menu doesnt work?>
[09:32] <chx> how could I tell apt that I do not want to install them?
[09:32] <nalioth_zZz> chx: just ctrl-c
[09:32] <raphink> sure it works too Delvien 
[09:33] <drumline> nalioth: thanks.  bookmarked  :)
[09:33] <robotgeek> nalioth_zZz: nite
[09:33] <raphink> chx: you mean cancel the install or deinstall?
[09:33] <chx> nalioth_zZz: You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these.
[09:33] <drumline> something that you can't change in KDE?   pfft  :)
[09:33] <chx> i mean, the isntall process can't run
[09:33] <raphink> Delvien: when you right click the Kmenu, you have the `menu editor' option
[09:33] <chx> but now every time I run apt it wants to install something it can't 
[09:34] <chx> deinstall??
[09:34] <Delvien> raphink well thats what i was using, i would rearrange the basic stuff (moved find Files/Folders  down to the bottom and saved it and didnt save. never does, But it puts the new stuff i add and that takes
[09:34] <chx> E: Invalid operation deinstall
[09:34] <raphink> chx: yep if you stopped the process while it was installing
[09:34] <raphink> you have to fix it afterwards
[09:34] <chx> raphink: ok, but how?
[09:34] <raphink> by running `apt-get -f install'
[09:35] <chx> now it wants to install 12 mbytes of packages :(
[09:35] <raphink> who talked about a deinstall operation chx ?
[09:35] <raphink> chx just do that : 
[09:35] <chx> *sigh* how could I tell apt "forget these packages"
[09:35] <raphink> apt-get -f install
[09:35] <raphink> with no argument, just that
[09:36] <chx> raphink: Yes, I understand but apt-get -f install wants to install 12 mbytes of packages
[09:36] <raphink> Delvien: weird
[09:36] <chx> raphink: so, the only way is to install them and remove them later??
[09:36] <chx> raphink: I can't tell apt "I do not need these packages"?
[09:36] <drumline> nalioth: irssi-devel ?
[09:36] <raphink> chx: does it ask to install the package you wanted to install?
[09:36] <drumline> errr... irssi-snapshot
[09:36] <chx> ok, forget it
[09:36] <chx> I install and remove
[09:37] <chx> I thought there is an easy command for apt to say "do not install these tons of packages I changed my mind
[09:37] <raphink> chx, again : does the -f option asks to install the app you wanted to install?
[09:37] <chx> apparently not
[09:37] <chx> raphink: yes, but forget it I already pressed yes and will remove them
[09:37] <raphink> chx: since you began intalling, the best way is to finish installing and remove them right after, so you don't break the system
[09:38] <raphink> chx: well apt-get can be set to ask you if you want to install these tons of packages before it does install
[09:38] <raphink> but once you have accepted, it's too late :p
[09:38] <raphink> unless you stop it while it's still downloading
[09:39] <raphink> if  you stop it once it has begun to install the packages
[09:39] <drumline> konsole is default white on black in ubuntu...   that black on white was bullshit...  
[09:39] <raphink> then you break the system and apt-get wants to fix it
[09:39] <raphink> and that's a good thing ;,)
[09:40] <raphink> be thankful  `apt-get -f install' asks to install packages
[09:40] <raphink> that means it tries to keep the system safe although you stopped an install in the middle of the process
[09:40] <raphink> drumline: I use dark transparent
[09:40] <raphink> :)
[09:41] <drumline> raphink: that's nice too...   but all that white on the screen messes with my eyes...    too many years on the console
[09:41] <raphink> but I like white on black
[09:41] <raphink> much better than black on white for sure
[09:41] <drumline> black on white hurts
[09:42] <raphink> yes
[09:43] <raphink> I don't like it as I said
[09:43] <raphink> I prefer white on blac
[09:48] <drumline> wow cool...  synaptic will show you what the terminal looks like when applying changes
[10:19] <jazwec> hi
[10:19] <jazwec> please...i have a problem
[10:20] <crimsun> just describe it
[10:20] <jazwec> u have updated my kubuntu from 5.4 to 5.10
[10:20] <jazwec> and now is my kopete crashing all the time
[10:20] <jazwec> I have updated
[10:21] <jazwec> it crashs when i send some message
[10:24] <jazwec> it writes: (no debugging symbols found)
[10:26] <crimsun> I don't use Kopete, sorry
[10:27] <jazwec> and what do you use? im looking for some good messenger
[10:29] <drumline> gaim is another
[10:30] <jazwec> drumline is it good?
[10:31] <drumline> It appeared good when I used it briefly.  There was a security hole a while back, but they patched it.  It does all the major protocols, AOL, yahoo, icq, msn... etc...  
[10:35] <picca> anyone know if there is a way to prevent kaffeine-mozilla from spawning another window within firefox
[10:35] <jazwec> and my second problem is..that my sound card doesnt work...i have creative sound blaster audigy 2 zs
[10:36] <jazwec> and when i want to play some mp3
[10:36] <jazwec> it doesnt play
[10:40] <drumline> anyone know of a program that will play WMA files?
[10:41] <picca> mplayer
[10:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> <3 mplayer
[10:41] <drumline> is that in synaptics?
[10:42] <picca> but you will also need the w32codecs
[10:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> picca: mplaysers codec pack does it as well doesnt it?
[10:42] <drumline> I can't find mplayer in all the repos
[10:43] <picca> maybe depends on which distro then; i using openSUSE and had to install the codecs to get it to work :(
[10:44] <drumline> hmm.. so w32codecs is a package also?
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> drumline: in multiverse
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> and universe IIRC
[10:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> picca: ubuntu don't carry any codecs, i mena the tar from mplayerhq
[10:45] <drumline> mplayerhq.org?
[10:45] <picca> ic
[10:45] <picca> which player do you guys prefer, xine or mplayer?  i have never used xine before
[10:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use totem with xine backend, or mplayer
[10:47] <picca> i use kaffeine most of the time and just read it uses xine as the backend
[10:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> afaik the xine gui is nothing special
[10:48] <picca> i guess i will stick with Kaffeine then as it goes nicely with KDE 
[10:48] <Kaiser_Away> pretty much
[10:48] <Kaiser_Away> :)
[10:49] <picca> the only thing i dislike is that kaffeine-mozilla plugin opens a window to play video rather than play it inline - to get round this i use the mplayer-plugin but wish i could use kaffeine for this
[10:51] <drumline> wow... mplayer plays DVDs also?
[10:51] <drumline> dayam... this is nice
[10:53] <drumline> alright folks... thanks... g'nite
[10:54] <picca> does xine play realmedia files without realmedia player being installed
[10:55] <insanekane> picca: xine will play realmedia files, but only if the realmedia codecs are available ..
[10:56] <picca> insanekane: thanks
[10:56] <Mitja> I'm confused here: does kubuntu-5.10-dvd-amd64.iso also include LiveCD?
[11:01] <smonkey> Stupid question: do the 4:3.5.0-ubuntu0breezy1 packages supercede the 4:3.5-rc1-ubuntu0breezy1 packages?
[11:01] <insanekane> smonkey: looks like it
[11:02] <smonkey> insanekane: Thanks. Its stupid, but I wasn't sure.
[11:03] <insanekane> smonkey: its not stupid ... but no problem
[11:06] <pussfeller> my ipod isnt mounting
[11:06] <crimsun> smonkey: yes, they do.
[11:07] <pussfeller> is there something wrong with the usb deamon whatever its called
[11:07] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:~$ dpkg --compare-versions 4:3.5.0-ubuntu0breezy1 gt 4:3.5-rc1-ubuntu0breezy1 ; echo $?
[11:07] <crimsun> 0
[11:07] <smonkey> pussfeller: I don't know a damn thing about ipods, but are you trying tou mount it with mount, or the HAL daemon?
[11:07] <smonkey> crimsun: thanks.
[11:08] <pussfeller> smonkey: I guess HAL, since its supposed to automount
[11:08] <pussfeller> i just plugged it in
[11:08] <pussfeller> when I first did it, it worked, since I unmounted it, it doesnt show up anymore, even after a reboot
[11:08] <jazwec> crimsun so could you? i have suond blaster audigy 2 zs...and when i want to play some mp3 it doesnt plaay
[11:09] <smonkey> pussfeller: I don't know too much about how that works, but if you check some of the files in /var/log you might find a message that will help you out.
[11:09] <pussfeller> the thing is, the icon is showing up on my desktop
[11:09] <pussfeller> but it sez sda2 doesnt exist
[11:09] <crimsun> jazwec: no sound at all?
[11:10] <jazwec> crimsun yeah...i see how the song is playing..but no sound
[11:11] <smonkey> pussfeller: do you have permisions to mount scsi devices?
[11:11] <pussfeller> thats what HAL is supposed to take care of, i thot
[11:12] <insanekane> pussfeller: no ... HAL doesn't take care of that ... pmount is supposed to take care of it though
[11:12] <pussfeller> pmount?
[11:12] <crimsun> jazwec: paste the output from ''cat /proc/asound/cards ; amixer'' onto http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[11:12] <insanekane> pussfeller: pmount (or mount if you don't have it)
[11:12] <pussfeller> well, it shows up in the kern.log, but I don't see it anywhere
[11:13] <smonkey> pussfeller: open up a termial and type 'ls -l /dev/sda2'
[11:13] <insanekane> pussfeller: try in console 'pmount /dev/sda2'
[11:13] <insanekane> pussfeller: and then 'ls /media/sda2'
[11:13] <smonkey> I'll let you take this.
[11:14] <insanekane> smonkey: i'd rather let GNOME^Wfreedesktop take it :P
[11:14] <smonkey> haha.
[11:14] <pussfeller> insanekane: its not found
[11:14] <insanekane> pussfeller: what does pmount /dev/sda2 say ?
[11:14] <insanekane> pussfeller: are you running the stock version  of Kubuntu ?
[11:14] <pussfeller> insanekane: rror: could not determine real path of the device: No such file or directory
[11:14] <pussfeller> insanekane: Yes
[11:14] <insanekane> hmm
[11:15] <smonkey> insanekane: I'd help him, but I'm still learning how debian/ubuntu does all this stuff. I an old slackware junkie, so this HAL thing is new to me.
[11:15] <insanekane> pussfeller: when you first installed kubuntu, the ipod worked properly ?
[11:15] <pussfeller> i didnt have USB till today
[11:16] <insanekane> smonkey: i'm not debian/ubuntu geek ...
[11:16] <smonkey> pussfeller: Didn't have USB, or USB didn't work?
[11:16] <pussfeller> i just put in a usb pci card, and it showed up, and then plugged in my ipod, and it mounted right away
[11:16] <jazwec> crimsun http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5114
[11:16] <insanekane> pussfeller: but now ?
[11:16] <pussfeller> now, it doesnt show up at all
[11:16] <insanekane> pussfeller: ok, your HAL is probably fuX0r3d
[11:16] <pussfeller> except, in the desktop icon, which is really strange
[11:17] <crimsun> jazwec: your u
[11:17] <crimsun> jazwec: your audigy2 zs is not the primary card
[11:17] <smonkey> pussfeller: I don't know if this matters, but did you unmount the ipod, are reboot between now and the last  time you unplugged it?
[11:17] <crimsun> jazwec: therefore you haven't been controlling its volume
[11:17] <pussfeller> smonkey: yea i tried that
[11:18] <jazwec> crimsun so how can i set it
[11:18] <pussfeller> so insanekane how do i fix it
[11:18] <pussfeller> i think this is a bug in breezy at least to some
[11:19] <smonkey> pussfeller: did you upgrade/remove/install any packages before it stopped working?
[11:19] <pussfeller> hun
[11:19] <pussfeller> now it shows up
[11:19] <smonkey> pussfeller: maybe you just needed patience =)
[11:19] <insanekane> oho ... so HAL is truly fuX0r3d :P
[11:19] <pussfeller> well, thats cool
[11:20] <insanekane> pussfeller: reboot and try again
[11:20] <pussfeller> i guess I needed to click "mount" from the kde icon
[11:20] <pussfeller> which doesnt sound right
[11:20] <insanekane> err ... you didnt do that ?
[11:20] <insanekane> great:P
[11:20] <pussfeller> no.....
[11:20] <pussfeller> heh
[11:20] <insanekane> pussfeller: its ok ... i forgive you ... HAL is fu&^%^ anyway
[11:20] <pussfeller> i thot it auto did it
[11:20] <Acidic32> Why did they put heated glass in the back window of a skoda?
[11:20] <smonkey> Thats what I get for trying to help at 5:20 in the morning.
[11:21] <crimsun> jazwec: in a Konsole, echo "options snd-intel8x0 index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base && echo "options snd-usb-audio index=-2" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[11:21] <pussfeller> no, its my fault for assuming it worked like windows
[11:21] <pussfeller> i havent had usb on this machine in years
[11:21] <insanekane> pussfeller: your right, double clicking on the device should automount it ... shouldn't have to do a damn mount
[11:22] <smonkey> pussfeller: That is pissing me off... because of HAL my machine has started to act like windows.
[11:23] <jazwec> crimsun still cant hear anything
[11:23] <crimsun> jazwec: you're not finished
[11:23] <jazwec> crimsun ah :)
[11:23] <crimsun> jazwec: then you have to, sudo invoke-rc.d alsa force-reload
[11:24] <jazwec> crimsun have it
[11:24] <crimsun> jazwec: ?
[11:24] <jazwec> crimsun i wrote it...
[11:24] <jazwec> crimsun and i have sound
[11:25] <jazwec> crimsun thanks alot !
[11:25] <crimsun> good.
[11:25] <pussfeller> im umounted it, and plugged it back in, now i will see if the icon returns
[11:26] <pussfeller> ill see if it shows up in gnome
[11:28] <jazwec> crimsun but now i have a problem..coz when i want to increase or decrease volume on that audigy case...it doesnt react...
[11:30] <crimsun> jazwec: log out of and back into KDE, probably
[11:34] <jazwec> crimsun mmm nothing changed...but now plays only one headphone
[11:35] <crimsun> jazwec: use alsamixer
[11:36] <Mitja> Can anyone help me running bittorrent? I get this: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/5115
[11:37] <jazwec> crimsun i have to download it?
[11:37] <insanekane> u probably already have it
[11:37] <smonkey> can you paste everything, including the command you typed?
[11:37] <jazwec> crimsun oh i repaired it...
[11:38] <Mitja> smonkey: sure, hang on
[11:38] <pussfeller> i didnt know there was a bittorrent-console
[11:39] <pussfeller> i just use btdownheadless.py
[11:39] <Mitja> smonkey: http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/5116
[11:39] <smonkey> yep. It's there.
[11:39] <pussfeller> the problem is evidently a kubuntu problem, since mounting manually there is no problem
[11:40] <Mitja> smonkey: ignore sudos, does the same without them
[11:40] <pussfeller> i was typoing the wrong mount command earlier
[11:41] <smonkey> Mitja: stupid question, but you have python installed right?
[11:41] <Mitja> smonkey: lemme check
[11:42] <Mitja> smonkey: yes
[11:42] <smonkey> I'm only asking 'cause it's quarter to six in the morning.
[11:43] <smonkey> Okay, I you're getting an error message from python.
[11:43] <pussfeller> Mitja: there is a #bittorrent if know one here knows
[11:43] <smonkey> As you can probably guess, for some reason python can't find the platfrom module.
[11:44] <Mitja> smonkey: should there be a file BitTorrent.platform?
[11:44] <smonkey> I'm trying to figure that out.
[11:46] <Mitja> Also something strange is happening. After I start like 3 torrents with btdownloadcurses on vfat partition, that partition is "marked" a read-only and can't nothing anymore.
[11:46] <smonkey> I don't think that there is a file called BitTorrent.platform.
[11:46] <Mitja> But the already started torrents are still downloading.
[11:46] <smonkey> I never really learned python, so you are probably better off going into #bittorrent and asking there.
[11:48] <smonkey> I only saw that because its some sort of bit torrent library that python isn't finding.
[11:48] <pussfeller> its the RIAA man
[11:48] <smonkey> Mitja: Maybe if you reinstall bittorrent with apt it'll work
[11:48] <smonkey> Mitja: oh.
[11:50] <smonkey> Mitja: what package are you getting that file from?
[11:50] <smonkey> the executable that is.
[11:50] <Mitja> bittorrent or btdownloadcurses?
[11:51] <smonkey> whatever file the 'bittorent' command you called is.
[11:51] <smonkey> oh..
[11:51] <smonkey> bittorrent.
[11:52] <Mitja> I think I have something messed up here. I removed bittorrent both with dpkg and with apt-get, but command itself is still there.
[11:53] <smonkey> do this in a terminal dpkg -S bittorrent
[11:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Er, hi
[11:53] <smonkey> err
[11:53] <smonkey> first do a which bitttorrent for me.
[11:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I have a slight problem. After upgrading my kernel, the boot procedure starts checking my battery state. The problem is, I'm not using a laptop
[11:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, yeah. And it hangs after that
[11:54] <Mitja> smonkey: several lines like bittorrent-4.2.0.linux: /usr/share/locale/sk/LC_MESSAGES/bittorrent.mo pop up
[11:56] <smonkey> Mitja: do 'hich bitttorrent' in the terminal
[11:56] <smonkey> Mitja: i mean which.
[11:57] <Mitja> smonkey: nothing. I removed them all by a GUI package manager. I want to start this over.
[11:57] <smonkey> when you say the command is still there do you mean the ones that you have running?
[11:59] <smonkey> Mitja: when you say the command is still there, do you mean the ones that you have running?
[11:59] <Mitja> smonkey: I mean when I input bitt TAB it shows up. But don't worry, it's not there anymore.
[11:59] <smonkey> Mitja: Oh, ok.
[11:59] <smonkey> Mitja: sorry I couldn't help you out.
[12:00] <Mitja> smonkey: on the contrary, I think it should work now.
[12:00] <Mitja> is there a btdownload channel?
[12:00] <Mitja> smonkey: why are you CTCP-ing me?
[12:00] <smonkey> Mitja: I'm not sure, but if you type /list you can get a channel list.
[12:01] <smonkey> Mitja: Yep. wanted to see if your IRC client could do a /list.
[12:01] <smonkey> Mitja: Don't get too paranoid.
[12:01] <Mitja> is there something like /list | grep ?
[12:03] <smonkey> Mitja: I don't think so. However, thie window that pops up in xchat should let you filter channels as they come in.
[12:04] <Mitja> heh, it displays in status
[12:04] <Mitja> aka server window
[12:04] <smonkey> Mitja: or im horibly mistaken
[12:05] <Mitja> smonkey: nvm, thanks for the help
[12:05] <smonkey> Mitja: I'll _try_ any time
[12:06] <smonkey> Mitja: under the window menu is a channel list entry.
[12:06] <smonkey> Mitja: It matcehs  regular expressions
[12:07] <Mitja> smonkey: found it, thx
[12:09] <Mitja> smonkey: Which torrent client are you using?
[12:10] <smonkey> Mitja: I use a java client called azureus. http://azureus.sourceforge.net
[12:11] <smonkey> Mitja: It's got a gui, so it may not be what you want, but it gives you a lot of information/control.
[12:11] <Mitja> smonkey: I've been using Azureus, mostly in Windows
[12:11] <smonkey> Mitja: And it comes in two flavours Qt or gtk
[12:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> smonkey: Azureus comes in Qt flavor?
[12:12] <smonkey> Mitja: ah. I use it because I'm to cheap for a broadband connection.
[12:12] <smonkey> Rogue_Jedi_X: I believe so.
[12:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> smonkey: Just checked. gtk and motif. No qt
[12:13] <Mitja> smonkey: I just want to find out if btdownloadcurses causes a vfat partition render read-only after a few torrents have been started.
[12:13] <NoTech> hi
[12:13] <smonkey> Rogue_Jedi_X: Excusse me, it comes in Motif, not Qt,
[12:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> smonkey: No prob. I use Ktorrent anyways :P
[12:14] <smonkey> Rogue_Jedi_X: haha.
[12:14] <smonkey> Mitja: Well f' if I know. I use reiser4.
[12:15] <NoTech> could someone help me?
[12:15] <smonkey> Mitja: If I understand what your asking though, I can't imagine that being the case.
[12:15] <Mitja> smonkey: I know, vfat or fat32 is not the best choice, but I want them be natively supported on both sides.
[12:15] <NoTech> i have Grub installed and when i am booting Kubuntu it starts by default kde
[12:16] <NoTech> how do i starts only console?
[12:16] <insanekane> NoTech: i think thats the point of Kubuntu :)
[12:16] <NoTech> yeah i know
[12:16] <NoTech> :)
[12:16] <insanekane> NoTech: init=3 i believe
[12:16] <smonkey> Mitja: WHy not download to something else, and then just copy to the vfat?
[12:16] <NoTech> in my menu.lst i have:
[12:16] <NoTech> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda3 ro ramdisk_size=100000 init=/etc/init lang=us apm=power_off quiet vga=791
[12:16] <NoTech> initrd /boot/initrd.img
[12:16] <insanekane> NoTech: or ... you can edit your runlevel and prevent kdm from starting
[12:16] <NoTech> do i have to modify my menu.lst?
[12:17] <smonkey> NoTech: change the default init run level to 1.
[12:17] <insanekane> NoTech: yes ... quite probably if you do not want to mess with runlevels
[12:17] <insanekane> smonkey: run level = 1 is single user mode ... i believe ... not a good idea for everyday use
[12:17] <smonkey> I thought the display manager dtarted in levels 2-6?
[12:17] <Mitja> smonkey: yeah, did that already, I guess it's a temporary solution
[12:18] <NoTech> sorry,what do i have to write in my menu.lst?
[12:18] <smonkey> Mitja: you could always arun a minutely cron job to copy your downloads over =)
[12:18] <smonkey> NoTech: nothing.
[12:18] <NoTech> huh?
[12:18] <smonkey> NoTech: edit the file /etc/inittab
[12:18] <NoTech> ok,will try
[12:18] <Mitja> smonkey: not following you
[12:19] <Mitja> what's a cron job?
[12:19] <smonkey> Mitja: a cron job is a task that gets run on some arbitrary schedule.
[12:19] <Mitja> smonkey: oh, like in chronologic
[12:19] <smonkey> check out the cron and anacron manpages
[12:20] <smonkey> Mitja: bingo
[12:20] <Mitja> smonkey: but torrents don't come in regular intervals
[12:21] <Mitja> and how would these jobs now when the torrents are finished?
[12:21] <Mitja> but then again they needn't be finished
[12:21] <smonkey> Mitja: But if you download them all into the same directory, you can copy every so often, and when the downlaod is done, the hole file is copied.
[12:21] <smonkey> Mitja: The jobs wouldn't. Well they could possibly.
[12:23] <smonkey> Mitja: But it would be easy to run a cron job every so often to copy files over. You would just have to remove the downloads by hand every so often.
[12:23] <smonkey> Mitja: It's not the best solution, but it would stop you from having to move all the files.
[12:23] <Mitja> smonkey: sounds neat
[12:24] <smonkey> you can add jobs to cron with the crontab command and to anacron with the anacrontab commands.
[12:26] <smonkey> Mitja: the only difference between the two is that anacron will attempt to run jobs that were scheduled to run durring downtime, and cron will just skip them.
[12:26] <smonkey> any who, I need sleep.
[12:26] <smonkey> good luck with that.
[12:26] <Mitja> smonkey: sleep well :)
[12:27] <smonkey> Mitja: I'll try.
[12:29] <ninHer> hi all
[12:30] <smonkey> SELECT COUNT(*) FROM amarok.statistics;
[12:30] <smonkey> oops.
[12:30] <smonkey> I really am goingto bed =)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> smonkey: sure you are...
[12:36] <libben> anyone knows if there is an alternative dist to use on a tomtom go 300 ? as I understand it its linux based.
[12:39] <smonkey> Hobbsee: Damnit, how'd you know?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[12:39] <Hobbsee> because it's like me saying i'm going to bed
[12:39] <Hobbsee> it doesnt happen for a while
[12:39] <Mitja> do you sleep at daytime?
[12:40] <smonkey> No, I just have caffeine on an IV drip.
[12:40] <smonkey> Holy crap. it's 6:40 AM.
[12:40] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:41] <win[X] amp> how to set grub?
[12:41] <win[X] amp> i want uninstall kubuntu
[12:41] <Hobbsee> LOL!
[12:41] <Hobbsee> where does the stime go smonkey?
[12:41] <Hobbsee> *time
[12:41] <smonkey> haha
[12:42] <smonkey> win[X] amp: I think you want grub-install
[12:42] <win[X] amp> i use 2 OS
[12:42] <win[X] amp> win and kubuntu
[12:43] <win[X] amp> and i want to uninstall kubuntu
[12:43] <smonkey> I think the GRUB faq answers that. I haven't dualbooted in years, but is hs something  to do with rootnoverify.
[12:43] <smonkey> well, uninstalling is easy. just reformat the partitions.
[12:43] <win[X] amp> how to set boot to back to win
[12:43] <Hobbsee> easiest way is to reinstall windows
[12:43] <win[X] amp> kekekke
[12:44] <win[X] amp> no this not the solution
[12:44] <smonkey> Should I help him back to the dark side?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> i didnt say it was the only way, i said it was the easiest way...
[12:45] <Hobbsee> smonkey: if someone wants to go back, they will - but they'll probably come back to kubuntu eventually - i did
[12:45] <smonkey> win[X] amp: Boot to the recovery console. It has a command called something like fixmbr. Doing this will replace you grub stuff in the bootsector with the windows bootloader.
[12:46] <win[X] amp> just it
[12:46] <win[X] amp> or anything else
[12:46] <Mitja> win[X] amp: boot like smonkey said and then do this: fixboot C:, fixmbr and bootcfg /rebuild
[12:46] <smonkey> I started on Slackware. It was all downhill from there. And I mean the good kind of down hill. Not the OH SHIT MS VISIO JUST ATE THREE MONTHS WORHT OF SOFTWARE ENGINEERING c\kind of way.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:47] <smonkey> Visio. What a piece of ****.
[12:47] <smonkey> Give me dia any day.
[12:48] <win[X] amp> i'll try 
[12:48] <win[X] amp> Tq
[12:49] <smonkey> win[X] amp: back up any thing that is really important first.
[12:50] <smonkey> win[X] amp: this is one of those things that has the potential to be your stereotypical bigblack cellmate.
[12:50] <smonkey> I suppose the cell mate could be big and white too.
[12:52] <smonkey> http://pastebin.ubuntulinux.nl/5118 what the hell?
[12:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > !pastebin
[12:52] <ubotu> pastebin is probably a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[12:53] <smonkey> now I really am going to bed,
[12:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey, can someone help me with my error?
[12:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5119
[12:53] <Hobbsee> er...ok then
[12:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > im trying to compile ksmoothdock
[12:53] <Hobbsee> ah, fun
[12:53] <Hobbsee> done that before
[12:54] <smonkey> either install automake 1.9.1 alongside 1.9.5, or reproces the aclocal.m4 macro file.
[12:54] <Hobbsee> is there more than that?
[12:54] <os2mac> so here is a retorical question.... does anyone really use an AV program in linux?
[12:55] <smonkey> Hobbsee can take this. I ned sleep.
[12:55] <Hobbsee> smonkey: no, feel free
[12:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > there is no 1.95...only 1.9
[12:55] <Hobbsee> i'm no expert on compiling
[12:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > hum, I got it 
[12:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > let me try again
[12:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > you know Adept...does it use .Deb files for it's packages?
[12:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > if so could I download ksmoothdock.deb and let Adept install it?
[12:57] <insanekane> Alex[RM-UK] : no ... you need to use dpkg for that
[12:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > but it would work?
[12:57] <insanekane> Alex[RM-UK] : or one of the service menus that install debs
[12:57] <insanekane> Alex[RM-UK] : no, you can't use adept to install debs
[12:57] <jpgeerets> hi folks
[12:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > ok, i'll try dkpg
[12:58] <insanekane> Alex[RM-UK] : it is an apt-get frontend, not a dpkg frontend 
[12:58] <jpgeerets> im trying to connect a windows shared printer
[12:58] <jpgeerets> someone can give me advice?
[12:58] <os2mac> so no one uses antivirus software???
[12:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > I dont :P
[12:58] <jpgeerets> i dont os2mac 
[12:58] <insanekane> jpgeerets: get married early, work hard, say no to drugs :)
[12:58] <jpgeerets> tnx insanekane 
[12:58] <insanekane> jpgeerets: oh yeah ... and use KDE :P
[12:59] <jpgeerets> also married an old rich women i guess?
[12:59] <jpgeerets> im using KDE insanekane 
[12:59] <insanekane> no, if there are yound rich women, then don't bother the old
[12:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > How do I recreate aclocal.m4 with aclocal ?
[12:59] <insanekane> Alex[RM-UK] : maybe autoconf ... (dunno for sure)
[12:59] <jpgeerets> when i use kde printer - ad printer, i select use smb shared printer (windows)
[01:00] <jpgeerets> then i use my username and pw of that machine
[01:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > What the HELL
[01:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > I just typed in MAKE and it ran the bloody ./configure script lolol
[01:00] <jpgeerets> the i can click scan, but no printer is coming up.....
[01:00] <Hobbsee> jpgeerets: is your samba working?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> ie, can you connect to the network via konq?
[01:01] <jpgeerets> well, i guess something is wrong with samba....
[01:01] <jpgeerets> i also cannot connect a shared disk
[01:01] <jpgeerets> can is something to do with encryption ?
[01:02] <os2mac> jpgeerets... do you have Norton on the windows machine?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hello os2mac 
[01:03] <jpgeerets> nop
[01:03] <jpgeerets> no norton
[01:03] <os2mac> Hiya Hobbsee...
[01:03] <Hobbsee> what type of antivirus/firewall on there?
[01:03] <jpgeerets> there is mcafee on the windows machine
[01:03] <os2mac> just sharing the wealth.... :)
[01:03] <Hobbsee> ugh, ditch that too
[01:03] <jpgeerets> also not good?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> get rid of all traces of that, use a different antivirus, reboot the machine, then come back
[01:03] <os2mac> or just temp turn it off to see that it works.
[01:04] <jpgeerets> what kind of antivirus?
[01:04] <os2mac> all I had to do was modify the rules to allow traffic from my domain only.
[01:04] <Hobbsee> er, firewall sorry
[01:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > how do I close Kxdocker??
[01:04] <Hobbsee> Alex[RM-UK] : killall kxdocker?
[01:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hobbsee, thank you
[01:04] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:05] <os2mac> Hobbsee: at least I learned my lesson (again, and again and again) and try to promulgate the wealth.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:06] <Hobbsee> well, i only know because dad had a norton package (av/firewall/the lot) on one of the machines in his network, and was trying to connect them to the rest of the windows computers, and was having trouble
[01:06] <Hobbsee> sure enough, ditching that completely, which i had the great fun of doing, made it connect far more easily, although not as easily as this machine does with samba
[01:06] <os2mac> I used to do techsupport for a small software company.... and I would be willing to estimate that 95% of the calls we had were Norton related... and I still forgot about it.
[01:07] <jpgeerets> mcafee only is antivirus
[01:07] <jpgeerets> no firewall on that machien active
[01:07] <os2mac> I am so used to running it now that I routinely forget it's there....
[01:07] <jpgeerets> also not wxpsp2 firewall
[01:07] <Hobbsee> ah, is it?  well there you go lol, i thought they did both
[01:07] <os2mac> but that's mostly because I have it configured to be non intrusive.... just working.
[01:08] <os2mac> mcafee does have a firewall product.
[01:08] <os2mac> jpgeerets: what kind of router are you using?
[01:08] <jpgeerets> yes, mcafee has a firewall product, but that;s not active on the machien
[01:08] <jpgeerets> why router Q, dont get it
[01:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey, when you install Firefox and Thunderbird, where are the executable files?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> routers often have firewalls on them too...
[01:09] <os2mac> it is possible that the router is filtering the traffic as well
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Alex[RM-UK] : ah, /usr/bin usually
[01:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > thanks...I need to get use to all the file directories....is there a tutorial on them somewhere?
[01:09] <jpgeerets> but i stay on the same router
[01:09] <jpgeerets> dont go out of the router
[01:09] <jpgeerets> when i look in settings:/Network - local network browsing
[01:10] <jpgeerets> there i can configure MS Windows encoding
[01:10] <jpgeerets> now it select koi8-r
[01:10] <jpgeerets> perhaps this means something?
[01:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hobbsee, Thunderbird isn't there
[01:11] <Hobbsee> Alex[RM-UK] : under mozilla-thunderbird
[01:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ahh, 
[01:11] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > whats the difference between mozilla-firefox and firefox then ??
[01:12] <Hobbsee> mozilla-firefox depends on firefox?  as far as i know, they are two names for the same thing
[01:12] <Alex[RM-UK] > werid, cos there's 2 executables for it 
[01:13] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:13] <Alex[RM-UK] > Gah...how can I start ksmoothdock with Konsole, but still able to close Konsole and not have it close ksmoothdock
[01:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > and how do I make it start everytime I start KDE
[01:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ah I got it,
[01:14] <Hobbsee> symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:14] <Alex[RM-UK] > but how do I make it start everytime
[01:14] <Hobbsee> symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:14] <Hobbsee> !symlink
[01:14] <ubotu> from memory, symlink is ln -s /path/to/file/or/dir /path/to/link
[01:15] <Alex[RM-UK] > so I type, symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart ksmoothdock
[01:16] <Hobbsee> where's your ksmoothdock at the moment?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> as in, where's the executable?
[01:16] <Alex[RM-UK] > no idea, all I know is if I run ksmoothdock it runs it
[01:16] <os2mac> hobbsee I think the mozilla-firefox thing is just a version thing.... a peculiarity of that particular version
[01:17] <Hobbsee> probably is
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Alex[RM-UK] : search for "ksmoothdock" in kfind to get the path of ksmoothdock
[01:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > usr/bin
[01:19] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:19] <Alex[RM-UK] > so I do, symlink in ~/.kde/Autostart usr/bin/ksmoothdock ?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> so "sudo ln -s /usr/bin/ksmoothdock /home/user/.kde/Autostart" replacing user with your username
[01:20] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh, I got them wrong way around hehe
[01:20] <Hobbsee> you got it the wrong way around :P
[01:21] <darkrad-> FATAL: Error inserting fan (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.k o): No such device
[01:21] <Hobbsee> oh, you wont need sudo for that, either
[01:21] <darkrad-> FATAL: Error inserting thermal (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko): No such device
[01:21] <darkrad-> any way to fix?
[01:21] <darkrad-> i see the error when i stop the kdm
[01:21] <darkrad-> but probably they are thrown in boot sequence
[01:21] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hobbsee,  I used sudo anyway - shouldn't matter does it
[01:22] <Hobbsee> no, it wont matter, but the symlink will be owned by root, so you might have trouble deleting it...
[01:22] <os2mac> Hobbsee... that is one thing in general I hate about command line in Unix... each command seems to have it's own thoughts about syntax... i.e. do you put the destination first or the from .....
[01:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh well, I don't want to delte it anyway
[01:22] <Hobbsee> it's from, then to
[01:22] <Hobbsee> just like cp and move
[01:23] <Hobbsee> and the link is going to the destination, so it's second
[01:24] <os2mac> some times it is and sometimes it isn't...... ever use rdist?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> no
[01:24] <Hobbsee> not heard of it
[01:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey,
[01:30] <os2mac> Ho...
[01:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > I have the GTK-QT theme engine, installed by Adept...yet Firefox and non KDE apps look horrible
[01:31] <Hobbsee> yeah, go into system settings, the first icon, and then the gtk tab
[01:31] <Hobbsee> hit use another style, then use another font, and pick the font, and hit apply
[01:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > the only Style there is Raleigh,
[01:32] <Hobbsee> you might need to play around with it a bit to get it the way you like it
[01:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > it doesn't seem to work, no change
[01:33] <mornfall> you need to restart the apps i suppose
[01:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > it worked :P
[01:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > time to restart xchat 
[01:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > wow, everying looks nice now!
[01:46] <os2mac> netsplit?
[01:55] <hunika> Hello everybody
[02:06] <darkrad-> FATAL: Error inserting fan (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.k o): No such device
[02:06] <darkrad-> FATAL: Error inserting thermal (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko): No such device
[02:06] <darkrad-> i see the error when i stop the kdm
[02:06] <darkrad-> but probably they are thrown in boot sequence
[02:06] <darkrad-> any way to fix?
[02:13] <hunika> Guys I have a small but stupid question :))) I have two printers a canon i250 and an hp deskjet, and when I want to use them with linux, they start printing but i can not see the text just a white sheet. But in windows they are working fine
[02:13] <hunika> opinion
[02:13] <hunika> ????
[02:14] <os2mac> it's prolly a driver thing...
[02:14] <os2mac> what kind of deskjet?
[02:14] <hunika> hp 3745
[02:14] <hunika> but linux recognizes it and everything is fine, and when i want to print, just a white sheet comes out
[02:15] <hunika> under windows they work fine
[02:15] <os2mac> try changing the driver to one for an HPLJ4 that seems to be root of all HP drivers... if that doesn't work then you should prolly look at some other cause...
[02:15] <hunika> ok i will try
[02:15] <os2mac> firewall? Norton or McAffee AV software?
[02:16] <hunika> does exists an antivirus for linux?
[02:19] <os2mac> there is antivirus software for linux but it's open source not made by Norton or McAfee... I was refering to software running on your windows box... I am assuming this is a remote printer?
[02:20] <hunika> yes
[02:20] <hunika> but I would like an antivirus anyway
[02:20] <hunika> for my kubuntu system
[02:20] <os2mac> go search in adept for anti-virus
[02:20] <robotgeek> hunika: there's no need for an antivirus unless you are using it as a firewall/mailserver etc
[02:21] <robotgeek> hunika: i.e, if you have it as a front end to a windows machine
[02:21] <os2mac> I knew someone was going to chime in eventually..... :)
[02:21] <hunika> okay
[02:21] <robotgeek> hunika: if you insists though, there's clam anitvirus :)
[02:22] <freddy> Hi guys, just installed Kubuntu (breezy) and having some probs. with sound : system sounds and so work OK, but with amaroK : no sound, no error messages ... and shows like 'playing' some Bach from sky.fm ... any help appreciated ! thx
[02:23] <robotgeek> hunika: people have run *nix systems for several years without any issues
[02:24] <hunika> okay but why is unix so secure and windows not?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[02:27] <robotgeek> hunika: because there is lot of separation between apps and the OS
[02:28] <hunika> i see
[02:28] <hunika> I am new in Linux
[02:28] <hunika> I am using Linux for 1 week
[02:28] <robotgeek> hunika: so a bug in an app, remains a bug in an app and not a bug in the system
[02:28] <hunika> I understand
[02:28] <robotgeek> hunika: no problem,i was in your shoes a year ago :)
[02:29] <hunika> But Bill Gates can not make a unix like windows?
[02:29] <hunika> what do you think about vista
[02:30] <apokryphos> hunika: excessive punctuation can be irritating ;-)
[02:30] <apokryphos> vista: a terrible letdown
[02:30] <robotgeek> apokryphos: hello
[02:30] <apokryphos> hi there
[02:31] <hunika> I have started a stupid game soya and I can not close it
[02:33] <hunika> how the hell can i close this stupid game soya 3d
[02:34] <apokryphos> hunika: ps aux|grep gamename, then killall it
[02:36] <hunika> it is not working
[02:36] <sagi> hey, i just ran a dist-upgrade to the new 10 since it's been a long time since i touched the pc, anyhow the upgrade went well, just rebooted and saw the cool splash :P tho, after the splash it doesn't run my kdm, and it stuck i have to move terminal and login manaully. also then i can't run X since i'm getting an error.
[02:36] <apokryphos> then you're probably not doing it correctly
[02:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hey, you know when you go to media:/ ... well, there is nothing in there
[02:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > not even my hard drive
[02:37] <apokryphos> sagi: well, what's the error it gives?
[02:37] <sagi> it couldn't find fixed font, and offered me to get x-window-system, and i already hve the core package
[02:38] <apokryphos> sagi: is kubuntu-desktop installed?
[02:38] <sagi> Also when i start ubuntu it doesn't load gdm/kdm, just stuck and i have to move terminal in order to login
[02:38] <sagi> yes, and he is the newst.
[02:39] <hunika> I have restarted my pc that was the only way for killing that stupid game soya d
[02:39] <apokryphos> there was an x-window-system font error some time ago in Breezy, but that was certainly fixed for breezy final/official
[02:40] <apokryphos> sagi: have you tried reconfiguring your x?
[02:40] <apokryphos> sagi: also, do you have all updates from the breezy-updates repo?
[02:40] <sagi> Well to tell you the truth i'm pretty afraid of touching it, it's took me ages to make xorg work FINE with radeon.
[02:40] <apokryphos> though I doubt that this was a problem in the official; nothing to lose though.
[02:40] <sagi> yeah, did update.
[02:40] <apokryphos> sagi: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:41] <apokryphos> sagi: it'll save the old xorg.conf file automatically, too
[02:41] <sagi> alright. will try hold on
[02:44] <sagi> seemed to work, tho i'm getting my old gnome, how can i make kdm start/|
[02:44] <slicslak> which is better; rsa or dsa?
[02:45] <apokryphos> sagi: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[02:46] <sagi> already running
[02:46] <sagi> tho nothing on f7
[02:46] <sagi> restared it
[02:46] <sagi> and it works
[02:46] <sagi> hold on will login from X to thank you :P
[02:47] <sageek> thanks :P
[02:47] <apokryphos> =)
[02:47] <sagi> Hey, another Q, my KDE did load tho with no panels..
[02:48] <sagi> any clue why?
[02:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > How to I unzip a Rar file in Kubuntu?
[02:48] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ark doesn't like it
[02:48] <apokryphos> sagi: no kicker running? 
[02:48] <apokryphos> sagi: ps aux|grep kicker
[02:48] <sagi> whats the command for gui terminal?
[02:49] <apokryphos> sagi: alt+f2 -> konsole
[02:49] <sagi> running
[02:49] <sagi> ok solved it
[02:49] <sagi> been on a huge revo
[02:49] <sagi> heh :P
[02:49] <apokryphos> ah
[02:50] <sagi> i like it big :)
[02:50] <Alex[RM-UK] > grr, I just installed unrar and it says The Utility unrar is not in your PATH
[02:50] <apokryphos> me too
[02:51] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : unrar-nonfree?
[02:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > erm,
[02:51] <apokryphos> haven't tried the others, but I know that one works
[02:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > I tried -free
[02:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > nonfree isn't there
[02:51] <apokryphos> it's in multiverse
[02:51] <Alex[RM-UK] > in wa?
[02:51] <apokryphos> !info unrar-nonfree
[02:51] <ubotu> unrar-nonfree: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section multiverse/utils, is optional. Version: 3.4.3-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 83 kB, Installed size: 216 kB
[02:51] <apokryphos> !tell Alex[RM-UK]  about repositories
[02:52] <sagi> apokryphos: fglrx does seems to work, i mean everything is smooth, tho fglrx_gears won't run, should i worry?
[02:52] <sagi> no dri support i think.
[02:52] <apokryphos> if it's working then I'd stay with it; don't know anything about fglrx_gears though. I'm an nvidia devoutee :)
[02:53] <sagi> well my next PC will have a nvidia for sure.
[02:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, which resporite do I need to add??
[02:54] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : multiverse. Scroll down to instructions for adding repos in kubuntu
[02:54] <sagi> thank you anyhow. seeyae!
[02:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, .... it already is enabled :S
[02:55] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : then install unrar-nonfree -- it'll be there
[02:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > it's not, honest
[02:55] <pinucset> smb. know why amarok-gstreamer and alsa sounds really bad? please i need help desesperatelly...
[02:55] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : ok, then please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:56] <apokryphos> pinucset: bad? How?
[02:56] <Alex[RM-UK] > !pastebin
[02:56] <ubotu> I heard pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl
[02:57] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5121
[02:57] <apokryphos> it's not enabled :)
[02:58] <Alex[RM-UK] > where??
[02:58] <apokryphos> check the instructions -- it tells you to add "multiverse" to every line with universe
[03:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, when ever I add the multiverse to every one, it doesn't save it
[03:03] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : are you hitting "Apply"?
[03:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > there is no apply, theres a commit changes
[03:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > I pressed that yet it still didn't save
[03:03] <apokryphos> no, there is an "Apply"
[03:03] <apokryphos> it comes up in Adept -> Manage Repositories
[03:04] <apokryphos> "Commit Changes" only looks and installs/removes packages set to do so
[03:04] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh I got it, the window wasn't at full size and it like, hid it
[03:04] <apokryphos> =)
[03:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > Is it possible to have 5.1 surround sound in Linux
[03:18] <Alex[RM-UK] > cos my 5.1 is sort of going to waste here....
[03:21] <apachelogger> http://dev.bit-freaks.net/images/tmp4.png
[03:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > how do I get recycle bin on my desktop?
[03:22] <laser_tk> Moby..:)
[03:22] <apachelogger> hehe :)
[03:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > the trash.desktop file is in /home/alex/Desktop...but its not showing
[03:22] <apachelogger> O.o
[03:22] <apachelogger> strange
[03:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > i've had it like that from every Kubuntu install...it never shows
[03:23] <apachelogger> right click on the dsktop -> configure desktop 
[03:23] <apachelogger> tab = general
[03:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > its ok I got it
[03:23] <apachelogger> "show icons on desktop"
[03:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > I remade the icon,
[03:23] <apachelogger> ah
[03:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > btw, there was no General Tab
[03:24] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ah, in Behavior
[03:24] <apachelogger> yup
[03:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > so, can I get 5.1 surround sound in Linux?
[03:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > I got a creative sound blaster 5.1 card,
[03:26] <apachelogger> dunno if this card is supported that well
[03:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > :( damm
[03:26] <apachelogger> just try
[03:26] <apachelogger> insert a dvd
[03:26] <apachelogger> start kaffeine
[03:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > i've got some music going,
[03:26] <apachelogger> music isn't 5.1 dude
[03:26] <apachelogger> actually not "normal" music
[03:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > I know, but in Windows I can get 5.1
[03:26] <Alex[RM-UK] > that what I want,
[03:27] <apachelogger> Alex[RM-UK] : that's just upmixing in windows
[03:27] <apachelogger> you may be able to mix it with asoundrc
[03:27] <apachelogger> but that's hell complicate
[03:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > :(
[03:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > isn't there like a Ball and Fade program (there is for my Window Creative one) I move the ball, and the sound follows it...if you know what I mea
[03:28] <apachelogger> Alex[RM-UK] : that process is probably patented
[03:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > move it back left, sound will come from back left etc
[03:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > :(
[03:28] <apachelogger> Alex[RM-UK] : but I think there is an automatic test system
[03:28] <apachelogger> lemme take a look
[03:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > thnaks,
[03:28] <jazwec> is here somebody who installed gnome to kubuntu?
[03:29] <apachelogger> O.o
[03:29] <apachelogger> why install kubuntu if you'd have gnome? why would one use gnome?
[03:30] <robotgeek> apachelogger: choice is a wonderful thing :)
[03:30] <apachelogger> bah
[03:30] <apachelogger> jazwec: there is probably a metapackage
[03:30] <Alex[RM-UK] > robotgeek, the choice to download Ubuntu or Kubuntu ;)
[03:30] <apachelogger> but I'll not tell you it's name
[03:30] <robotgeek> jazwec: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:31] <jazwec> robotgeek i know how...but i just wanted to know if somebody tried it
[03:31] <jazwec> apachelogger cos i want to try both...
[03:31] <robotgeek> jazwec: ah, i have both
[03:31] <robotgeek> now i run openbox, lol
[03:31] <jazwec> robotgeek which one do you prefer
[03:31] <apachelogger> jazwec: that's waste of time imho
[03:33] <apachelogger> Alex[RM-UK] : there is a tool but I can't find it .... it's maybe part of any alsa package, though I can't find it .... you'd better ask google .... the tool outputs a sound to every box (so "front-right" "front-left" and so on)
[03:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > yeh thats what i'd like, hum to google it is
[03:34] <apachelogger> hehe, google :D
[03:34] <aeon17x> Why is k3b asking for more root priviliges? o_o
[03:34] <aeon17x> !k3b
[03:34] <ubotu> k3b is probably "A sophisticated KDE cd burning application", its said to be the best burning GUI out there!
[03:35] <apachelogger> http://lokker.blogspot.com/2005/11/short-praise.html
[03:35] <apachelogger> google ;-)
[03:35] <apachelogger> aeon17x: you maybe don't have device permissions
[03:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > apachelogger, http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=SurroundSound ... Custom Routing of Signals to Surround Outputs is taht what I need? 
[03:36] <apachelogger> Alex[RM-UK] : yup
[03:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > :P!
[03:38] <robotgeek> k3b is totally awesome
[03:38] <apachelogger> oh yeah :D
[03:38] <robotgeek> aeon17x: maybe you don't own the dvd drive?
[03:38] <robotgeek> at this point, i'm totally speculating :)
[03:38] <aeon17x> I do.
[03:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > gah, this is to complicated for a linux noob
[03:39] <aeon17x> Let's see what happens if I allow it to run k3bsetup and get root powers.
[03:43] <aeon17x> It wants to change cdrdao permissions from 0755 root.root to 4711 root.root.
[03:43] <Alex[RM-UK] > should I be worrying if I have nothing in /etc/modules.conf
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> Alex[RM-UK] : not if it's all going ok
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> aeon17x: look right, yeh
[03:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > ah, it just says this:
[03:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > NB. Don't forget to replace the name of the card (card0) with the one you are using in your /etc/modules.conf file (e.g. cmipci).
[03:44] <Alex[RM-UK] > so, how do I know what sound card I need to replace it with
[03:46] <aeon17x> Kamping_Kaiser: you mean I should allow it?
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[03:47] <aeon17x> It's also asking for 666 root.root on cdrom O_O
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep.
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> afaik ok
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> er. 666?
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> trust it :|
[03:48] <aeon17x> Yes, it's 666.
[03:48] <aeon17x> I'm getting slightly paranoid now.
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:50] <jazwec> please...i have now 2 partitions...one with windows and one with kubuntu..and i want to ask..when i will uninstall windows...can i add that free space to my linux partition
[03:50] <aeon17x> And it has root.root...
[03:50] <aeon17x> Sort of like having the root of all evil here...
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> jazwec: yes, you can
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> aeon17x: root.root is fine
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> i would have expected root.disc or similar myself though :|
[03:50] <jazwec> Kamping_Kaiser how?
[03:50] <jazwec> Kamping_Kaiser is there a command for that?
[03:51] <aeon17x> Wait a minute, let me switch to kubuntu.
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> jazwec: this is k3b right?
[03:51] <jazwec> kamping_kaiser whats k3b? im linux noob
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> jazwec: it's a burning program 
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> jazwec: k3b is something i was talking to aeon about sorry :|
[03:53] <jazwec> kamping_kaiser oh...ok :)
[03:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> jazwec: after you remove Windows, you will have to boot a live cd, and use g/qparted to resize your linux partition
[03:53] <aeon17x> Okay, it appears within kubuntu as well.
[03:54] <aeon17x> I thought it was just getting whack since I'm trying it on GNOME.
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> aeon17x: are we talking about k3b changing the devices here?
[03:54] <jazwec> kamping_kaiser hmmm i cant understand...i will remove win..then insert my kubuntu installation cd?
[03:54] <aeon17x> Yes.
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> jazwec: no!
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> jazwec: you insert a LIVE cd
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> ubuntu has one, knopix, Kubuntu (?)
[03:54] <jazwec> kamping_kaiser oh..i know
[03:55] <aeon17x> Well, that's settled. Seems okay now.
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[03:55] <aeon17x> Do you know of any menu editor in KDE? My menu's has a lot of stray entries.
[03:55] <aeon17x> Oh, found it.
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[03:56] <aeon17x> It wouldn't do anything on my GNOME config if I remove items from my KDE menu, right?
[03:57] <robotgeek> if this was not a official channel, i would have said "bah, who knows these things". really, i just don't know
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> aeon17x: no, should be seperate
[03:59] <Alex[RM-UK] > How do I find out what sound driver my car is using?
[03:59] <aeon17x> I'll check it to be safe though... *logs out*
[03:59] <jazwec> kamping_kaiser btw..k3b is good burning program?
[04:00] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : lspci|grep -i audio
[04:00] <jazwec> kamping_kaiser i want to burn that live cd
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> jazwec: yeh, k3b is good, but it's also very powerfull for just burning a cd
[04:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm not a KDE user theough, so i cant realy takl about it
[04:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, can you help me with my surround soud? I added the code in yet it doesn't work
[04:02] <Alex[RM-UK] > http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ028
[04:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > I added the lines pcm.ch51dup and below, yet it doesn#t work
[04:03] <apokryphos> is it a 5.1 card?
[04:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes
[04:03] <apokryphos> if so, have you edited alsamixer to tell it that it's 6chan?
[04:03] <Alex[RM-UK] > no,
[04:04] <apokryphos> type "alsamixer", then go right (near the end), and make sure it's set to 6chan
[04:05] <Alex[RM-UK] > :S which option??
[04:06] <freddy> Hi there ...
[04:08] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, which option? set what to 6 chanel?
[04:08] <jazwec> i have a problem with music also
[04:08] <jazwec> i have sound blaster audigy 2
[04:08] <jazwec> it works..but i cant increase/decrease volume with that buttons
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi fre
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi freddy
[04:09] <freddy> Hi Kamping_Kaiser
[04:09] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : there is no "Channel" one?
[04:09] <Alex[RM-UK] > no,
[04:09] <apokryphos> ok
[04:09] <apokryphos> shouldn't matter
[04:10] <freddy> looking for some help with 'Breezy'
[04:10] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : so you're getting sound output but just not from all speakers?
[04:10] <apokryphos> freddy: shoot
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> freddy: ask away, you may or may not get 'help'
[04:11] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, yes, from .... front left, front right and a LITTLE bit of center
[04:11] <freddy> in the sound department : no sound from amaroK, but KDE config - sound - test sound works Ok
[04:12] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : can't really give you better advice then that link, I'm afraid
[04:12] <apokryphos> freddy: install gstreamer0.8-mad and akode-mpeg
[04:12] <freddy> have googled around but am stuck ...
[04:13] <apokryphos> the wiki and Kubuntu FAQ are good places to start, always
[04:13] <freddy> apkryphos: thx, will try these modules and keep you informed
[04:14] <freddy> have been there too ... 
[04:15] <freddy> (that's where i found this )
[04:16] <ClayG> What is a good way to create an extra panel and have it only handle web sessions/pages.  Like all my web pages automatically go in a seperate panel
[04:19] <ClayG> What about a good java plugin that will enable me to at least access hush?
[04:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, i've got it!
[04:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > i think
[04:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes I do!
[04:22] <Alex[RM-UK] > exelent,
[04:23] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, all you have to do was increase the volumne on the Wave Surround setting in Alsa Mizer
[04:23] <apokryphos> cool
[04:25] <Alex[RM-UK] > is ther a good PHP editor anywhere for Linux?
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Alex[RM-UK] : "good"? very subjective
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> quanta might be your thing
[04:26] <apokryphos> Quanta+
[04:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > :) it's in Adept to which means I will be able to install it! lol
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:27] <Alex[RM-UK] > tis great now I got Kubuntu looking exactly like Mac OS X
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[04:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > don't you like it?
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's just a funny thought.
[04:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > it looks nice,
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> and no, i don't particularly, but hey. choice
[04:28] <Alex[RM-UK] > aye,
[04:29] <jazwec> Alex[RM-UK]  screen :)
[04:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > I was goign to install the MetaTheme....but it would never compile so I gave up
[04:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ok, 1 min,
[04:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > http://img498.imageshack.us/img498/9219/osx5gn.jpg
[04:32] <jazwec> lol nice
[04:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > Oh, yeh .. you see it says Thunderbird Mail Client, when ever I change it to Thunderbird it always goes back to Mail Client, why can't I rename it
[04:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > jazwec, thanks lol
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. cute
[04:33] <apokryphos> xmms=evil
[04:33] <apokryphos> there's also other great icon themes out there ;D
[04:33] <freddy> apokryphos: thx ! now i can play an mp3 file ! (also installed amaroK packages that were not installed (engines, gstreamer)
[04:34] <apokryphos> cool
[04:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > apokryphos, im not that keen on it, you need binoculars to read the text, know of a better player?
[04:34] <apokryphos> freddy: yeah, I only ever use the xine-engine myself
[04:34] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : amaroK and JuK I think are infinitely superior to all others 8)
[04:34] <Japsu> and amarok is infinitely superior to juk
[04:34] <Japsu> :P
[04:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > JuK is huge though,
[04:35] <apokryphos> size-wise?
[04:35] <apokryphos> you can make it quite small
[04:35] <freddy> is this a setting in amaroK ? sound of mp3 came in 'bits and pieces' ...
[04:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > yes, you can't have it like XMMS
[04:35] <artnay> hey guys, any of you running kat on KDE?
[04:35] <apokryphos> Japsu: it has a few nice things. amaroK is a lot like an mp3 player which just so happens to have a tagging abilities, and juk is a great tagger that just so happens to play audio 8)
[04:36] <apokryphos> Alex[RM-UK] : I found larger players slightly more odd at first, but you really do warm to them
[04:36] <apokryphos> far more abilities -- like cover art, nicer visualizations, lyrics/wiki stuff etc
[04:37] <Alex[RM-UK] > I only use them to play music, and thats it
[04:37] <apokryphos> try them for a bit, see how you find them :)
[04:38] <xtacocorex> if amarok was ported to windows, i'd force all my friends to use it
[04:38] <Kaiser_Sleeps> ngith apokryphos
[04:38] <freddy> apokrypos: great, changed amaroK sound engine to xine, mp3 now sounds like on my windoze box !
[04:38] <apokryphos> Kaiser_Sleeps: 'night :)
[04:38] <Kaiser_Sleeps> :)
[04:38] <apokryphos> freddy: you can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicks in IRC :)
[04:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > Ahhh crap
[04:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > in amorke I went hide..toolbar I think, and now it's not go File,Edit etc etc
[04:39] <Alex[RM-UK] > nope I got it back
[04:39] <apokryphos> Alt+F3
[04:39] <apokryphos> (.....would help)
[04:39] <freddy> apo.. how would that work (IRC is new for me)
[04:39] <apokryphos> freddy: for example, type apo and then hit <tab>
[04:40] <freddy> apokryphos: thx man !
[04:40] <apokryphos> =)
[04:40] <freddy> apokryphos: even after 20 years of IT ... still learning !
[04:41] <jazwec> lol..do you know that there will be root on windows  longhorn/vista ?
[04:41] <artnay> so no kat users among kubuntu users? wow, i'm surprised.
[04:41] <jazwec> but they will call it "administrator" :)))
[04:41] <apokryphos> freddy: always more to learn 8)
[04:42] <xtacocorex> artnay: i tried it once, but couldn't get used to it and got rid of it
[04:42] <apokryphos> artnay: tried it out a few times; it isn't used much
[04:42] <apokryphos> a lot of people stick to old locate and/or find
[04:42] <xtacocorex> artnay: sorta used up to much on my laptop while on the battery
[04:42] <artnay> when? before 3.5? what kernels and versions of sqlite3 (libs) are you guys using? what about kat?
[04:43] <freddy> apokryphos: now the next one ... view (+sound) a DVD ...
[04:43] <xtacocorex> artnay: this was about 6 months ago
[04:43] <apokryphos> artnay: most people will be using the defaults -- see packages.ubuntu.com
[04:43] <artnay> apokryphos: yeah, tell me how locate/find does metadata indexing...
[04:43] <apokryphos> artnay: I didn't say it did
[04:43] <artnay> did i say you said that? i was just asking for an advice (and joking a bit, too)
[04:44] <artnay> don't take it so seriously
[04:44] <apokryphos> artnay: looks like you're more serious than me; no explicit seriousness from me 8)
[04:44] <apokryphos> but I don't want to argue about who's more serious =)
[04:44] <artnay> i've tried latest versions of kat (.6.3 and .6.4) with ubuntu's default kernel and .13.2 with no luck. KDE 3.5 is running here and sqlite3 is in version of 3.2.7
[04:44] <artnay> that's latest
[04:45] <apokryphos> no luck as in it doesn't work?
[04:45] <artnay> it crashes kded, it (kat) corrupts memory
[04:45] <artnay> tries to read/write in wrong placves
[04:45] <apokryphos> artnay: on opening, on doing a search?
[04:45] <artnay> indexing
[04:45] <xtacocorex> artnay: i do know that the default kernel for ubuntu doesn't have the autoupdate feature enabled for metadata (at least that's how it was a while ago)
[04:45] <artnay> it has something to do with sqlite3, kernel, kded and kat
[04:46] <apokryphos> artnay: then compile a bug report :)
[04:46] <artnay> apokryphos: just wanted to know if there's any workaround from you ppl ;)
[04:46] <apokryphos> !tell freddy about dvd
[04:46] <artnay> guess I'm the only one suffering of the prob
[04:46] <artnay> and I can't get proper trace
[04:46] <apokryphos> no crashes for me; just haven't had any reason yet to really use it
[04:47] <artnay> oh I wish it would work correctly. it's fast and I found myself clicking a lot more kat's icon than konq's ;P
[04:48] <artnay> next big thing might be integrating kat to konqueror
[04:48] <artnay> can't wait ;)
[04:49] <apokryphos> there's a lot of talk about this on the appeal website -- good stuff, might be worth checking out: http://appeal.kd.eorg
[04:49] <artnay> yeah, can't wait for 4 either ;D
[04:51] <Mitja> is there a buttonn or a shortcut to minimize all windows?
[04:51] <apokryphos> Mitja: sure, the "Desktop Access" button
[04:51] <apokryphos> you can make a shortcut to it if you like
[04:51] <apokryphos> (from khotkeys or so)
[04:52] <Mitja> i don't have that button, that's the thing
[04:52] <Mitja> not from the day one
[04:52] <Mitja> what would be the command?
[04:52] <apokryphos> Mitja: right-click -> add to panel -> special button -> desktop access
[04:53] <Mitja> i love you
[04:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's a bit straightforward, don't you think? You don't even know if apokryphos is spoken for
[04:54] <Mitja> i said that just to thank him/her
[04:54] <apokryphos> Mitja: for a shortcut too just use dcop, if you like
[04:54] <apokryphos> =)
[04:54] <Mitja> i'm bored of saying thank you all the time
[04:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Mitja: I know, I was kidding
[04:55] <artnay> it's funny, on KDE there's no default keyboard sc to minimize all windows, but on the other hand, there's no default keyboard sc to minimize only one window on Windows GUI :>
[04:55] <Alex[RM-UK] > cya guys
[04:56] <apokryphos> bye Alex[RM-UK] 
[04:57] <{slacky}> hello just a question
[04:57] <{slacky}> I've got KUbuntu 5.10
[04:58] <{slacky}> when I update the linux kernel is updated when new kernel linux version is available on www.kernel.org?
[04:59] <{slacky}> when I update KUbuntu system also the linux kernel is updated in KUbuntu when new kernel linux version is available on www.kernel.org?
[05:00] <artnay> {slacky}: if I got you right, you're using apt to update files on your computer. there's a thing called version freeze just before a release, after that there won't be new versions available from official repos
[05:00] <Alex[RM-UK] > ooo, I just found out KDE 3.5 is out, can I download it for Kubuntu yet?
[05:01] <artnay> so if you want the newest kernel, you have to compile it be yourself
[05:01] <artnay> Alex[RM-UK] : sure you can, just add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2 breezy main
[05:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > exelent, is it any good?
[05:01] <Alex[RM-UK] > oh, I have the Baghira theme...will that be ok with KDE 3.5?
[05:02] <artnay> yep, there shouldn't be API changes
[05:03] <jazwec> please..how can i choice between gnome and kde
[05:03] <artnay> jazwec: which media did you use when you installed (k)ubuntu? ubuntu CD?
[05:03] <jazwec> (i have installed both...i need only command or something)
[05:03] <{slacky}> artnay: ah but also KDE well will be released 3.5.0 will not available from update or that well be available?
[05:04] <jazwec> artnay i installed it from the kubuntu cd..and downloaded gnome
[05:04] <artnay> {slacky}: you can get 3.5 from kubuntu's repos, not from *.ubuntu.com
[05:04] <artnay> jazwec: which package did you use to install GNOME? ubuntu-desktop?
[05:04] <jazwec> artnay i used synaptic...
[05:04] <{slacky}> artnay: KUbuntu Linux kernel has got patches or is it a vanilla one?
[05:05] <artnay> jazwec: check if you have ubuntu-desktop installed
[05:05] <artnay> if not, then install it
[05:05] <Alex[RM-UK] > artnay, I need to add a new Resporitey http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2 ?
[05:05] <jazwec> artnay how?
[05:05] <artnay> {slacky}: kubuntu doesn't provide kernel, just DE
[05:05] <jazwec> artnay in synaptic?
[05:05] <artnay> jazwec: use synaptic, search for ubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <{slacky}> artnay: ok, but into the distro there is the linux kernel :)
[05:06] <artnay> Alex[RM-UK] : yep, comment the old "deb *kubuntu.org* lines out and add "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2 breezy main"
[05:07] <jazwec> artnay i dont have it installed..so i will install that and uninstall gnome?
[05:07] <artnay> jazwec: it will just add things that were left out from that (ubuntu-desktop) metapackage
[05:07] <{slacky}> artnay: Fedora, SuSE, Madriva patches a lot the vanilla Linux kernel so if you recompile a new vanilla kernel you can get a non working system... well I'll try on my own... thanks anyway :)
[05:07] <Alex[RM-UK] > artnay,  I don't have ant kubnuty.org ones....all gb.archive.ubuntu
[05:08] <artnay> {slacky}: you can get the ubuntu patches to latest vanilla kernels
[05:09] <artnay> umh, what was the package called... do apt-cache search patch | grep ernel
[05:09] <artnay> although they might not work in the latest versions. and you won't even need all those patches as some things have been added to vanilla
[05:11] <jazwec> artnay ok i installed it..and i have so much programs here in my menu
[05:11] <artnay> jazwec: did you install gdm?
[05:12] <artnay> it's on your computer, but did you set it as a default login manager?
[05:12] <jazwec> artnay i installed that ubuntu-desktop
[05:12] <artnay> jazwec: it should ask you if you want to replace kdm
[05:13] <jazwec> artnay but i want to have both...and wat to choice
[05:13] <artnay> jazwec: yeah, you can choiche the desired desktop environment / window manager from login manager
[05:13] <artnay> there's an option called "Sessions" in gdm, you click it and choose what you want
[05:17] <jazwec> artnay where can i find it
[05:18] <artnay> try "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gdm
[05:18] <artnay> "
[05:18] <artnay> then logout and it should popup
[05:19] <jazwec> ok..now is gnome my default
[05:19] <jazwec> so i have to restart or just log off
[05:20] <artnay> just logoff, click on sessions, choose what you want and logon. then gdm asks if you want to make the chosen DE/WM as a default one or just login to it this time
[05:20] <artnay> you can always change it, so you really can't fcuk it up that way
[05:21] <jazwec> ok...brb
[05:22] <Fatrix> does kubuntu automatically connect to a wireless AP when the laptop is within range of it? i'm installing linux on a laptop for a first-time-user
[05:23] <artnay> Fatrix: you should check the ubuntu wiki, specially supported hardware. there's lots of laptops listed.
[05:25] <artnay> I would suggest to try live-CD before installing, but do what you do.
[05:26] <Fatrix> well... it's not a question about supported hardware... but if i can set up a list of AP's that the laptop can connect to... and then if Kubuntu automaticaly connects to the AP when i get within range of it...
[05:27] <artnay> well, it should. at least it worked with my vaio. although you might need some proxy settings depending on the APs that you're using
[05:28] <artnay> there should be a list of available APs
[05:29] <Fatrix> ok... i'm downloading ubuntu now... (does ubuntu and kubuntu use the same packages/apt-sources?) if that doesnt give me what i want i'm trying CentOS and Fedora
[05:31] <artnay> Fatrix: if you want the latest KDE, just add "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2 breezy main" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then update and dupgrade
[05:31] <Fatrix> ok
[05:32] <artnay> you might want to add gpg key as well, check www.kubuntu.org for further information
[05:32] <acvardar> Hi all, i need a help to configure my VPN client
[05:32] <sharket_> hello
[05:33] <sharket_> what kubuntu really is ...
[05:33] <sharket_> something like debian with kde
[05:33] <sharket_> with stable sources ?
[05:33] <sharket_> or unstable ? testing ?
[05:33] <Fatrix> artnay: ok, i'll figure it out, thanks
[05:34] <artnay> sharket_: it's ubuntu + KDE
[05:34] <sharket_> ok, and which kind of sources does it has
[05:35] <sharket_> because is a little different from debian
[05:35] <artnay> packages from debian (still in development, sid) and also ubuntu-devs do make packages and then contribute them to debian/whatver
[05:35] <sharket_> something breezy and that stuff
[05:35] <acvardar> I have configured pptp-client and it connected to vpn server, but after 1 or 2 minutes it terminates, according to log it sends huge amount of data but recieves nothing, any idea???
[05:35] <sharket_> ah ok, then is onlly one way 
[05:35] <sharket_> thanks you artnay 
[05:35] <artnay> sharket_: ubuntu's own repos and kubuntu's for KDE
[05:36] <sharket_> aren't the same repos ?
[05:36] <artnay> sharket_: no
[05:36] <sharket_> aren't the same packages from kubuntu and ubuntu ?
[05:36] <sharket_> i cann't understand that
[05:36] <sharket_> :S
[05:36] <artnay> kubuntu was community-driven project as people found ubuntu to a nice distro but some also disliked GNOME
[05:37] <sharket_> aha
[05:37] <artnay> then kubuntu was formed
[05:37] <sharket_> is a differents movements but still the same
[05:37] <sharket_> right ?
[05:37] <artnay> it doesn't get money from canonical if I'm right
[05:37] <sharket_> kde... gnome or what else
[05:37] <artnay> it's just the KDE, they won't release kernels or that kind of low stuff
[05:37] <sharket_> that's one of the biggest problem if all this
[05:38] <sharket_> ok
[05:38] <sharket_> kernel or principal programs neither
[05:38] <gochoo> I need some help about pptp-client? Is there anybody?
[05:38] <sharket_> :)
[05:39] <gochoo> .
[05:39] <artnay> the whole naming scheme just confuses people, ppl seem to think that they're totally different distros or smth
[05:40] <gochoo> Artnay, i have some trouble with my VPN client, do you have experience about this?
[05:41] <artnay> gochoo: no, sorry.
[05:41] <gochoo> :( thx
[05:41] <artnay> if I recall right, there should be a howto at www.ubuntuforums.org
[05:41] <jazwec> artnay kde is better :)
[05:42] <artnay> jazwec: that's your opinion. ;)
[05:42] <gochoo> i'll check that thanks
[05:43] <artnay> gochoo: did you check wiki? it's the first place to seek for information, then ubuntuforums (that's my opinion)
[05:43] <sharket_> artnay: have so many distros is a big problem
[05:43] <artnay> sharket_: yeah but it's also a good thing
[05:44] <sharket_> have some is good
[05:44] <gochoo> I have configured pptp-client to connect to VPN server,and i connected, but after a few minutes it terminates because it sends a huge amount of data but recieves nothing, ANY IDEA?
[05:44] <sharket_> have too much isn't
[05:44] <artnay> gochoo: have you tcpdumped?
[05:45] <gochoo> no, what does it do? (I'm a newbie)
[05:45] <artnay> sharket_: yeah but even if there's something like +300 different distros, only a few of those are considered to be "usable" i.e. in business use
[05:46] <artnay> gochoo: install ethereal and check what packages does the connection send
[05:46] <sharket_> yes, but some people/manteiners/developers will create more and more for few people
[05:47] <sharket_> like in spain each city is creating their own distro, what is a stupid thing
[05:47] <sharket_> in my opinion at least
[05:47] <sharket_> :(
[05:47] <artnay> gochoo: it gathers information from tcp/udp/icmp/etc. packages, that helps if you're having probs _and_ have some information on networking
[05:47] <artnay> sharket_: yeah, I read about that too :)
[05:47] <sharket_> where are u from :)
[05:47] <artnay> happy patching to those guys, prolly they just take packages from ubuntu
[05:48] <sharket_> sure
[05:48] <gochoo> Artnay: hmm, thanks, i think there is some routing problem. What do you think?
[05:48] <artnay> gochoo: I have no idea at all. maybe there's a firewall/NAT blocking something?
[05:49] <gsuveg> re
[05:49] <gsuveg> katapult where search the .desktop files ?
[05:49] <gochoo> Artnay: Is there any default firewall in Kubuntu?
[05:49] <sharket_> artnay: going to anser ? :P
[05:49] <artnay> gochoo: there's a firewall in linux kernel
[05:50] <artnay> sharket_: umh, do a /whois ;) finland
[05:50] <sharket_> i prefer ask :P
[05:51] <artnay> gochoo: so you enable and make rules using iptables (command line) or then use some GUI for iptables
[05:51] <jazwec> artnay you preferr gnome?
[05:51] <sharket_> i have been 80 km away from there last month
[05:51] <sharket_> i was in estonia :))
[05:51] <gochoo> Artnay: :) so how do i configure my firewall? Is the command "iptable?"
[05:51] <artnay> jazwec: GNOME has some good things that are missing from KDE, but still it's too restrictive compared to KDE
[05:51] <sharket_> yes gochoo 
[05:52] <gochoo> ok, thanks for your help. I'll check this
[05:52] <artnay> gochoo: there's a Qt GUI (for KDE) available at kde-apps.org, but you need to compile it. you might want to go for firestarter but it's designed for GNOME/XFCE etc.
[05:53] <artnay> but it does the job. if you're running default installation of ubuntu, there's no services listening for outside world. no need for firewall ;)
[05:53] <artnay> it's not like windows that's screaming "hey! I have lots of shares here, come take a look!"
[05:54] <gochoo> Artnay: I see
[05:54] <artnay> gochoo: so just do "sudo apt-get install firestarter", then alt+f2 -> firestarter [enter] 
[05:55] <artnay> make some rules, then quit the GUI. firewall runs just fine without the graphical user interface (firestarter in this case)
[05:56] <artnay> umh, my cats want to do some irssing too :)
[05:56] <gochoo> Artnay: But the package firestarter is not present :(
[05:56] <artnay> gochoo: have you enabled universe/multiverse/whatever repos?
[05:58] <gochoo> Artnay, no i didnt' enable, the reason is i couldn't connected to internet, the only internet that i have is VPN.
[06:02] <gochoo> Artnay: Are you there?
[06:03] <artnay> gochoo: sure, but as I already stated, I don't know anything about VPN in ubuntu.
[06:04] <artnay> sorry :/
[06:04] <gochoo> Artnay: Ok, thanks for your help
[06:04] <gochoo> I have configured pptp-client to connect to VPN server,and i connected, but after a few minutes it terminates because it sends a huge amount of data but recieves nothing, ANY IDEA?
[06:04] <artnay> Section: universe/admin
[06:05] <artnay> just uncomment universe, update and then apt-get install
[06:18] <jazwec> artnay please could you help me? i have creative audigy 2 zs...as an audio card..it plays great...but i cant adjust volume with that buttons on that sound blaster case
[06:18] <artnay> jazwec: what case?
[06:19] <artnay> with that information provided, I really can't help you much. have you checked wiki? ;P
[06:20] <Lord_Athur> hi
[06:20] <Lord_Athur> I want to program for Linux
[06:20] <mp3guy> learn python
[06:21] <mp3guy> and C
[06:21] <Lord_Athur> I'm learning this
[06:21] <Lord_Athur> is a place for download a "demo" of source of a program
[06:21] <Lord_Athur> ?
[06:23] <jazwec> artney http://www.benchmark.pl/obrazki/01_2003/audigy2_ex.jpg the bottom onw
[06:27] <Lord_Athur> I need to have an idea of how to make programs
[06:29] <freddy> Lord_Athur: what more do you need than edit the program, (compile) & test ?
[06:29] <Lord_Athur> how can I edit a program?
[06:31] <_osh> Lord_Athur: Have a look at www.sf.net. There's a lot of sourcecode for a whole lot of programs. What kind of program do you want to learn?
[06:32] <freddy> Lord_Athur: basically, programs are like text files, you can edit them in vi, kate or any other editor available.  or use an IDE (integrated developent environment like eclipse)
[06:32] <Lord_Athur> ok
[06:32] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[06:33] <freddy> Lord_Athur: like _osh said : it's also important what kind of programming you like to do.
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> well
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> I'm starting in it
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> for example
[06:34] <bl3ssing> God bless all of you
[06:34] <bl3ssing> how're you people?
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> have you got the web page fot download the gaim source for modify it
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> fine
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> fine
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> have you got the web page fot download the gaim source for modify it
[06:34] <LjL> Lord_Athur: if you actually don't really know what a program *is*, i think you should read some theory before diving into programming
[06:35] <bl3ssing> great Lord_Athur , cause I'm fine too. God bless all of you.
[06:35] <bl3ssing> can anybody tell me which program's the best for editing video files ... like in windows Adobe Premiere! Is there anyone in Linux ... ?
[06:37] <bl3ssing> can I receive any answer, pls?
[06:37] <_osh> bl3ssing: sure, there's something on the live-cd but i cant remember the name of it. sorry.
[06:38] <bl3ssing> the live-cd ...? where can I have this one from?
[06:38] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:38] <bl3ssing> _osh, thanks for answering ...
[06:39] <_osh> bl3ssing: np. do a normal adept search for "video" it's in there somewhere.
[06:39] <Lord_Athur> bl3ssing, I'm sorry I don't know 
[06:40] <bl3ssing> that's ok ... I'll find one ... :-)
[06:40] <bl3ssing> I want to work for a video company and ... I need to find a soft for linux, cause I don't want to use WinXp ... There I got the premiere, but ... I want to work as much in Linux than in WinXp.
[06:40] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:41] <freddy> bl3ssing: check out sourceforge.net : found 'Linux Video Editor' there, maybe others also ...
[06:41] <_osh> bl3ssing: kino might be what youre looking for.
[06:44] <bl3ssing> has kino only 2,6 Mb?
[06:44] <bl3ssing> adobe premiere has more than ... 
[06:44] <bl3ssing> :-(
[06:46] <freddy> anyone familiar with kaffeine ?
[06:46] <bl3ssing> good player
[06:46] <bl3ssing> not so ... but ... pretty ... kaffeine .. freddy 
[06:46] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:47] <bl3ssing> but ... xmms is the best (to play files ... even mpg/avi/asf ....)
[06:47] <CarstenP> freddy: Kaffeine is cool, but i would suggest to install the xine plug in
[06:47] <CarstenP> the xine engine
[06:47] <bl3ssing> CarstenP, is kaffeine better than xmms?
[06:48] <freddy> bl3ssing: just got it working with xine & libdvdcss2 but images are 'skippy' & sometimes double
[06:49] <bl3ssing> are you speaking about xmms? or ... kaffeine?
[06:49] <bl3ssing> freddy,...?
[06:49] <freddy> i know its an old pc (PIII 860) & dvd under windoze was not everything also, but maybe kaffeine can be configured ...
[06:49] <CarstenP> bl3ssing: kaffeine + xine engine is the best media player I found under kubuntu. VLC and mplayer is not so good.
[06:49] <freddy> bl3ssing: talking about kaffeine
[06:49] <bl3ssing> well ... freddy ... you're right .
[06:49] <bl3ssing> but ... as CarstenP , maybe's the best
[06:49] <bl3ssing> I'll keep using it ...
[06:50] <bl3ssing> what I don't like to kaffeine is that it is using too much resources ... (think so ...)
[06:50] <bl3ssing> xmms is the best for my laptop.
[06:50] <_osh> bl3ssing: I didn't understand your question about "kino".
[06:50] <CarstenP> bl3ssing: i tried vlc, i had some performance problems. the sound was distorted. und mplayer the video was skipping. kafeine solo couldnt play 1 video
[06:50] <CarstenP> bl3ssing: but kaffeine + xine engine was great.
[06:50] <freddy> bl3ssing: i'm just testing kubuntu on this box before installing it on another more powerful one
[06:51] <bl3ssing> _osh ...how can kino be a video editer having only 2,6 MB as a software, when Premiere has 170Mb?
[06:51] <bl3ssing> i see freddy ...
[06:51] <_osh> bl3ssing: because it doesn't have all the features that Premiere does perhaps? I don't know. I just know that it  does edit video files.
[06:52] <freddy> bl3ssing: so, any settings that can be tuned (found xine-engine setting, but nothing there - if i'm not mistaken)
[07:00] <Hattori> FATAL: Error inserting fan (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.k o): No such device
[07:00] <Hattori> FATAL: Error inserting thermal (/lib/modules/2.6.12-10-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/thermal.ko): No such device
[07:00] <Hattori> anybody has a clue on how to fix it?
[07:00] <Hattori> somebody said to set bootparameter to no acpi
[07:00] <Hattori> but how to set it?
[07:01] <Hattori> (happened after breezy upgrade)
[07:03] <qbit> I use the lmsensors package for cpu temp monitoring - when I went from hoary to breezy I lost the fans for some reason and was only able to get cpu temp
[07:04] <Hattori> but what's acpi?
[07:04] <Hattori> can i disable it?
[07:04] <qbit> for fancontrol there was a script that you could run (don't remember exact details) that would set up the fancontrol .conf file
[07:05] <Hattori> but i'm using not a laptop
[07:05] <Hattori> it's on desktop pc
[07:05] <qbit> as long as your mobo hardware supports it you're better off to use it
[07:08] <qbit> the support depends primarily upon what chipset your mobo uses, if it is not one specifically supported then yes I'd turn it off
[07:09] <qbit> here is where I'm seeing mine:/lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/acpi 
[07:09] <Hattori> should i care if i have a desktop pc?
[07:09] <bl3ssing> lol Hattori
[07:10] <qbit> nope - only what mobo chipset it is using
[07:10] <bl3ssing> do you have a monitor, a UC and ... mouse/keyboard? Than  you have a Desktop PC (Personal PC)
[07:10] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:10] <Hattori> ..
[07:10] <Hattori> i meant, i don't have a laptop
[07:10] <Hattori> doesn't a normal pc handle fan etc itself?
[07:11] <bl3ssing> just kidding Hattori 
[07:11] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:11] <Hattori> since i get error on acpi, can i unistall it from synaptic?
[07:11] <Hattori> ;}
[07:11] <Hattori> without killing the system? ;}
[07:12] <bl3ssing> not really (not sure, but ... I wouldn't do it ...if i would be you)
[07:12] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:12] <qbit> for testing you could mark the scripts /etc/init.d/acpid and acpi-support as non-executable
[07:12] <bl3ssing> but ... you have nothing to lose (at least if you've already saved your files ... as a backup ...)
[07:13] <Hattori> anyway fatal error is nothing better than try that it seems =)
[07:13] <qbit> just keep in mind here you'll see an error during boot about Operation not permitted, or something harmless like that
[07:13] <qbit> but if the modules are not present on your system at the above location you probably have an entirely different problem
[07:14] <qbit> if they are not there you should investigate why
[07:14] <Hattori> hmm, if i try to uninstall acpi it says that kubuntu-desktop need to be removed too (on synaptic)
[07:14] <qbit> I wouldn't do that   :-)
[07:14] <Hattori> indeed
[07:14] <Hattori> i will try a apt-get reinstall acpi
[07:15] <Hattori> hmm reinstall doesn't work
[07:15] <Hattori> what was the command ? =)
[07:15] <LjL> apt-get install --reinstall
[07:15] <esher> hi
[07:16] <Hattori> thx LjL
[07:16] <Hattori> u have any guess about those fatal errors?
[07:16] <qbit> you should probably have these packages: acpi, acpi-support, and acpid
[07:16] <esher> how can i simple install kde on ubuntu, and purge all gnome stuff ?
[07:16] <LjL> esher: install kde means installing kubuntu-desktop. purging the gnome stuff is not all that easy
[07:16] <LjL> Hattori: nope
[07:17] <Hattori> qbit: yes
[07:17] <esher> ok
[07:17] <qbit> I also have the linux-restricted-modules package as well but iirc that was for the nvidia video glx stuff
[07:17] <esher> kubuntu-desktop that was what iam searching for
[07:18] <Hattori> acpi
[07:18] <Hattori> No ACPI support in kernel, or incorrect acpi_path ("/proc/acpi").
[07:18] <LjL> esher: but again, that's only half of your question. to purge gnome, you should probably purge the low level libraries, like libgtk, libgnome, etc
[07:18] <Hattori> that is the error
[07:19] <LjL> Hattori: your kernel version being 2.6.12 i suppose?
[07:19] <esher> ok
[07:20] <Hattori> ya
[07:20] <Hattori> LjL: ya
[07:20] <LjL> Hattori: is *there* something in /proc/acpi?
[07:21] <Hattori> LjL: acpi dir doesn't even exist =\
[07:21] <Hattori> apm is there, but no acpi
[07:21] <LjL> Hattori: don't you have perhaps acpi disabled in your bios or things like that?
[07:21] <Hattori> hmm
[07:21] <Hattori> how to check?
[07:22] <qbit> well if you just wanted to turn off acpi at boot you could put no acpi on the appropriate line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:22] <LjL> Hattori: what does "acpi_available; echo $?" tell you?
[07:22] <qbit> you'll have either apm or acpi, one or the other but not both - apm is an older precursor to acpi
[07:23] <qbit> if your hardware is that old you'll need to disable acpi and config apm
[07:23] <LjL> Hattori: anyway, i think the way to check is simply to go into the bios and find out where the acpi/apm related options are, and see what they're set to
[07:23] <Hattori> acpi_available; echo $?
[07:23] <Hattori> 1
[07:24] <Hattori> qbit: where should i find that line in menu.list?
[07:24] <LjL> Hattori: don't change your menu.lst before you're certain you don't have acpi support on your computer
[07:25] <Hattori> k
[07:25] <LjL> Hattori: really, go into your bios and check power management related options, before doing anything
[07:25] <qbit> I would agree with LjL here - verify exactly what you've got first
[07:25] <Hattori> let's see the bios if i find anything about..
[07:26] <LjL> Hattori: and by the way, how old is your motherboard
[07:26] <qbit> and what is the model?
[07:29] <Hattori> found acpi function
[07:29] <Hattori> was disablem
[07:29] <Hattori> i enabled
[07:29] <Hattori> quite old, dunno exactly
[07:30] <Hattori> PM control by APM? 
[07:30] <LjL> Hattori: it doesn't matter now, if there is an option to enable acpi, then it's got acpi ;)
[07:30] <Hattori> yes/no?
[07:30] <LjL> i'd say "no"
[07:30] <Hattori> hmm k
[07:30] <LjL> though ghose options always confused me
[07:31] <Hattori> ok, rebooting
[07:31] <Hattori> let's see
[07:31] <Hattori> was "yes" before anyway
[07:31] <bl3ssing> what is an acpi/apm doing ...? LjL ?
[07:31] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:31] <qbit> me too - it always seems like their worded 'backwards'
[07:31] <LjL> bl3ssing: they manage power, basically... "power" in a broad sense: voltages, fans, ...
[07:31] <marisa> hola
[07:31] <bl3ssing> oh, I see. Thank you LjL ...
[07:32] <qbit> and fan speeds are controlled by 'pulse width modulation'
[07:32] <bl3ssing> how're you people? sleeping? ready to sleep? ... working? Cause I'm going to get some sleep right now since tomorrow I'll go to work ... :-((((((((((((( Mammmmaaaaaaaaaaaaa, why do I have to work instead of sleeping ....? :-)))
[07:33] <qbit> but I believe the upper case use of PM is generic to 'Power Management'
[07:33] <LjL> yeah
[07:33] <qbit> because if one doesn't work one will sleeping outside in the rain     :-)
[07:34] <LjL> but the option "pm control by apm" sounds to me like "do you want to use the old apm (yes), or the new acpi (no), even i'm not mentioning acpi?"
[07:34] <LjL> you know what those options are like... =)
[07:34] <qbit> lol
[07:34] <qbit> pm control also sounds like it means pulse modulation
[07:35] <qbit> which is the method used to vary the fan speed
[07:35] <LjL> don't think it's that there... and i don't think apm can control fan speed anyway
[07:35] <LjL> qbit: if you get a write error, do you cancel, retry, ignore or abort?
[07:35] <qbit> I think you're maybe right - that didn't come until acpi cam about
[07:35] <qbit> retry
[07:36] <Hattori> ok, the messages are disappeared
[07:36] <Hattori> but damn
[07:36] <LjL> and if you try to cancel an installation, and it says "do you really want to cancel?", you click yes, no or cancel?
[07:36] <Hattori> it still hangs at nvidia splashscreen =\
[07:36] <Hattori> no prob if i set "nv"
[07:36] <Hattori> how to see the boot sequence messages?
[07:36] <Hattori> where are they logged?
[07:36] <qbit> do you have the nividia glx packages installed?
[07:36] <Hattori> i installed the nvidia drivers
[07:37] <BleSS> if you have installed firefox, do you have this path /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/ ?
[07:37] <Hattori> following https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NvidiaManual tutorial
[07:37] <qbit> look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:37] <Hattori> the fact is that once i install them they work, rebooting only kdm
[07:37] <LjL> Hattori: alt+f8 should show them, or /var/log/dmesg
[07:38] <Hattori> while if i reboot, it hangs =\
[07:38] <LjL> BleSS: yes i do
[07:38] <BleSS> LjL, ok, thanks
[07:39] <qbit> if your nvidia card is an old one you might need the nvidia-glx-legacy package
[07:39] <qbit> they split the driver/modules - for my old TNT2 Riva M64 I needed this
[07:41] <Hattori> so i should uninstall the nvidia drivers and install using apt-get?
[07:41] <qbit> have you made an update to your kernel lately?
[07:41] <Hattori> worked on hoary
[07:41] <qbit> if the kernel gets updated to newer these packages need to get updated too
[07:41] <Hattori> i upgraded to breezy and it didn't work anymore
[07:42] <qbit> you'll need to update all the nvidia modules/packages to the breezy versions
[07:42] <Hattori> ic, how can i completely remove all nvidia shits i've installed so far?
[07:42] <gochoo> I have configured pptp-client to connect to VPN server,and i connected, but after a few minutes it terminates because it sends a huge amount of data but recieves nothing, ANY IDEA?
[07:44] <qbit> blocked by firewall?
[07:44] <gochoo> qbit: then how to set firewall to enable it?
[07:44] <Hattori> how can i list and remove all *nvidia* stuffs to reinstall them?
[07:45] <LjL> Hattori: dpkg -l | grep -i nvidia
[07:45] <qbit> Hattori: I use th Adept that came with Breezy, it's pretty easy as it has a filter you use
[07:46] <qbit> gochoo: that's a really complicated question and I use Ipsec 
[07:46] <Hattori> but it list the drivers installed using file got from nvidia site too?
[07:46] <Hattori> or i have to uninstall it in different way?
[07:46] <gochoo> qbit: hmmm
[07:46] <LjL> differen way i suppose, unless it was a .deb
[07:46] <qbit> but with ipsec there are other ports that need to get opened on the incoming side for things like gre
[07:46] <Hattori> hmm
[07:47] <qbit> so if you can send out and keep state the main traffic may return but these alternate 'side-channels' if they are blocked won't allow a handshake or authentication
[07:48] <qbit> one thing you can do to troubleshoot is to do a tcpdump of the incoming interface and compare it with your firewall logs to pinpoint exactly what isn't making the trip
[07:49] <gochoo> qbit: I understand that, but where to see firewall log?
[07:50] <qbit> I must confess to not knowing anything about linux firewall, I use pf on FreeBSD for my router gateway
[07:50] <qbit> but most logging is done in /var/log somewhere
[07:50] <gochoo> qbit: thanks, i'll try this
[07:52] <qbit> also I use ethereal    :-)
[07:52] <qbit> I cheat  :-)
[07:52] <gochoo> qbit: what is that? (sorry, i'm a newbie)
[07:53] <qbit> it's a network protocl analyzer   aka 'sniffer'
[07:54] <gochoo> qbit: hmm, does kubuntu have it by default?
[07:54] <qbit> no, but there is a package for it
[07:54] <gochoo> qbit: How can i download it?
[07:54] <qbit> me I just use the Adept package manager
[07:55] <qbit> but apt-get would probably do it too if you knew how
[07:55] <gochoo> qbit: can you give me a little hint about apt-get?
[07:56] <qbit> someone else would probably be better because I don't know enough about it
[07:57] <gochoo> qbit: ok, thanks a lot. I hope i can get info about apt-get from some forums :)
[07:57] <qbit> if you're still on hoary there is Kynaptic, which I guess is a replacement to Synaptic(Gnomish I believe)
[07:57] <qbit> these are all just GUI frontends to the apt-get command line stuff
[07:58] <sampan> gochoo, apt-get is just the package manager -- it's from command line.  to install a package the command is: "sudo apt-get install package.name".  to search your package list it's: apt-cache search search.term
[07:58] <qbit> but they all have one thing in common in that they need a /etc/apt/source.list file properly configured
[07:58] <qbit> and there are better instructions in the howto sections on the forum than I can give
[07:59] <gochoo> qbit: that would be nice?
[07:59] <qbit> lol
[08:01] <gochoo> sampan: I think this package manager will download this package from internet, according to the source.list? (Am i right)
[08:01] <sampan> gochoo, yes, that's how it works.  
[08:02] <gochoo> sampan: :) thanks
[08:03] <gochoo> sampan: do you have any experience about VPN?
[08:03] <sampan> sure -- if you need to generate a /etc/apt/sources.list file ... try: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[08:03] <sampan> nope, sorry ... i don't know anything about vpn 
[08:04] <gochoo> sampan: my problem was about vpn, pptp stuff, anyway thanks for your help
[08:04] <sampan> good luck :)
[08:14] <jazwec> Kamping_Kaiser hi..so please could you help me with that partitions? im just downloading the live CD
[08:18] <CarstenP> short question: which K-tool is able to play .mid files?
[08:19] <LjL> CarstenP: kmid i suppose
[08:23] <CarstenP> LjL: thank you, any idea why i dont have a /dev/sequencer?
[08:23] <LjL> CarstenP: no, but midi as always been a mess in linux
[08:24] <CarstenP> LjL: Okay, I understand, no problem
[08:24] <LjL> CarstenP: you can install timidity, which is a software midi sequencer. that will avoid troubleshooting your soundcard
[08:24] <LjL> CarstenP: on the down side, much more cpu will be used for playing mids
[08:25] <jazwec> please i have a problem...i have 2 partitions...one 170 GB for windows and one 0 GB for linux...and i want to uninstal win..
[08:25] <jazwec> so can i then make that 2 partitions together
[08:25] <CarstenP> LjL: thanks for the help i try timidity
[08:25] <jazwec> and make 1 200 GB for linux without reinstallling?
[08:26] <Hattori> nvidia-bug-report.log
[08:26] <Hattori> anybody know how to generate it?
[08:29] <Bushman> hello
[08:30] <Bushman> does anyone has japanese input in kubuntu?
[08:30] <Bushman> i'd apriciate if someone would guide me to set it up
[08:30] <KINGxOFxNOWHERE> anyone know of a good wireless AP scanner?
[08:32] <Bushman> a tip would be nice too
[08:35] <tomplast> hi people. got anyone time to help me?
[08:37] <tomplast> im not totaly sure of what I have done but every time i enter Kubuntu I need to write sudo dhclient eth0 :/. My connection is of the type ADSL and between the modem and my computer sits a router. can anyone help me?
[08:42] <Daddy_D> Is it possible to ask for a Kubuntu installation CD from the officials?
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> tomplast: you need to configure your /etc/network/interfaces file, you need a line 'auto eth0' and 'iface eth0 inet dhcp'
[08:43] <tomplast> nice channel :/
[08:43] <tomplast> i guess that i will have to look in the ubuntu channel then :/
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> uh, okay dumbass
[08:45] <Daddy_D> So does anyone know if that is possible, since I noticed they are available for Ubuntu at no cost?!
[08:46] <Tm_T> apachelogger: hi son
[08:47] <LeeJunFan> Daddy_D: not yet, they will probably be offering CD's for next verision though. I'm sure someone must have kubuntu CD's for sale though.
[08:47] <mymayer> why does my xmms work and amarok not. I treid amarok with xine-alsa and art, but nothing works. xmms woks witch alsa like a cake
[08:48] <KINGxOFxNOWHERE> probably because you need the gstreamer plugins for the amarok engine
[08:48] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: my amarok is working with xine, gstreamer seems to have some suckage.
[08:48] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: probably want to install lame and libmad too.
[08:50] <KINGxOFxNOWHERE> gstreamer engine has an assortment of plugins for all types of media formats, they needs installed registered in gstreamer (type gst-register-0.8)
[08:50] <Daddy_D> ok
[08:50] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: gsstream is not working anyway, what is lame and libmad ?
[08:50] <mymayer> KINGxOFxNOWHERE: i know, i installed gsstream-alsa, but it doesnt work
[08:51] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: libraries basically that go along with playing mp3's.
[08:51] <mymayer> ok 
[08:55] <apachelogger> Tm_T: hey mom
[08:56] <_osh> LeeJunFan: Good hint. Replaced gstreamer with xine in amarok and now all my mp3's work again. Thanks!!
[08:56] <Tm_T> xine yuk
[08:56] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: apt-get install lame doesnt work ?
[08:57] <fatejudger> xine is way better than gstreamer
[08:57] <Obsidians> fatejudger: Why's that?
[08:57] <Tm_T> fatejudger: not always
[08:57] <fatejudger> gstreamer doesn't work so well with my sound card
[08:58] <Tm_T> haha
[08:58] <fatejudger> and it has the hardest time streaming music and video
[08:58] <fatejudger> it works a lot better with my laptop
[08:58] <fatejudger> dunno why
[08:59] <mymayer> Tm_T:  can you help me with xine and amarok ?
[08:59] <LeeJunFan> !tell mymayer about repos
[08:59] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  i know that
[08:59] <mymayer> but how to find out, which sources to add LeeJunFan  ?
[09:00] <adina> hi - I just installed the latest Ubuntu - and whenever I try to access  my logitech quickcam messenger (usb) the whole system locks.....  any suggestions?
[09:00] <Tm_T> adina: same happens here, it's driver bug
[09:01] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: lame is in multiverse
[09:01] <mymayer> there are enaugh bugs in breezy like the on wiuth c n`q
[09:01] <mymayer> ok
[09:02] <adina> when i load kanotix live cd, it works perfectly, so what could the dif be?
[09:02] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-security multiverse main
[09:02] <mymayer> that way ?=
[09:02] <mymayer> oh damn, wrong one
[09:03] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: basically any of them that are not deb-src
[09:03] <mymayer> deb-src http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy multiverse
[09:03] <adina> Tm_T: 
[09:04] <adina> Tm_T: why would kanotix have no probs with it?
[09:04] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  still doesnt work
[09:04] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: after you uncomment do apt-get update
[09:04] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: then apt-get install lame
[09:04] <mymayer> done it before
[09:05] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: do apt-get install libmad0 - that one is more important anyway.
[09:05] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: sorry
[09:06] <mymayer> i missed, there way deb-src..
[09:06] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: ah, okay.
[09:06] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  ok both isntalled, what now ?
[09:06] <adina> the latest driver i found is qc-usb-messenger-0.9 but it gives me errors when installing - something about kernel compiler not matching the kernel or something
[09:06] <LeeJunFan> close any open amarok you have, then try it again.
[09:07] <mymayer> done
[09:07] <mymayer> deinstalled amarok just to be sure
[09:07] <mymayer> reinstalling
[09:07] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: I have my engine settings in amarok set to xine-engine, output plugin: autodetect.
[09:07] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  should /can i use xine ?
[09:07] <Tm_T> adina: different drivers
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: I have had 0 luck with gstreamer
[09:08] <mymayer> me too
[09:08] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: xine works flawlessly for me.
[09:08] <mymayer> ok
[09:08] <mymayer> which soundcard do you have ?
[09:09] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller
[09:09] <mymayer> ah ok
[09:10] <adina> another problem i am having is that Ubuntu puts bad horizontal scan lines in videos when i watch full screen
[09:12] <Hattori> is it any command to show motherboard type and bios version?
[09:12] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  it worked, THANK YOU
[09:12] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: good, & your welcome.
[09:13] <mymayer> LeeJunFan:  are there any cool plugins for amarok ?
[09:13] <apachelogger> mymayer: yo, xine
[09:13] <mymayer> :)
[09:13] <mymayer> done it :)
[09:13] <apachelogger> and helix in some strange way
[09:13] <Hattori> mymayer: still trying toi get nvidia to work =\
[09:13] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: I'm sure there are, but I really haven't played around with it much.
[09:13] <mymayer> Hattori: i got it :)
[09:13] <Hattori> i know
[09:13] <Hattori> but i can't
[09:14] <Hattori> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=57376
[09:14] <mymayer> Hattori: one questin
[09:14] <Hattori> and many others can't seems
[09:14] <mymayer> do you have frambuffer activated ?
[09:15] <Hattori> dunno
[09:15] <Hattori> how to check?
[09:16] <mymayer> how it fails on startup
[09:16] <mymayer> give me the xrog log
[09:17] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: can you help me . When iam connected to teamspeak, my lineout is directly heading to mic
[09:17] <mymayer> When iam trying to use a com-tool, my lineout is directly heading to mic. How to fix that ?
[09:18] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: teamspeak doesn't like arts in kde, so you need to disable arts, you can do so by issuing the command artsshell suspend just before loading teamspeak, you will have to stop any applications using arts - ie. amarok.
[09:19] <Tm_T> why amaroK would use arts?
[09:19] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: hmm, but i run amarok with xine ?
[09:19] <Tm_T> (why use arts at all ;p)
[09:19] <apachelogger> Tm_T: because it's user became insane ;-)
[09:19] <Tm_T> rebooting ->
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> xine is still using /dev/dsp
[09:19] <mymayer> LeeJunFan, Tm_T : can i just deinstall arts ?
[09:19] <apachelogger> eh?
[09:19] <apachelogger> alsa
[09:19] <apachelogger> dmix
[09:19] <apachelogger> pff
[09:19] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: no, dont' do that.
[09:19] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: ok
[09:20] <apachelogger> mymayer: you could if there weren't deps ;-)
[09:20] <mymayer> ;)
[09:20] <mymayer> so how to fix it now ?
[09:20] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: yeah, but then you could only listen to one sound stream at a time.
[09:21] <mymayer> LeeJunFan: ok. So what to do to run teamspeak properly ?
[09:21] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: stop any app currently playing any sound, run 'artsshell suspend && teamspeak' 
[09:22] <mymayer> i will not be able to here mp3 while in teamspeak ?
[09:23] <LeeJunFan> mymayer: nope.
[09:23] <mymayer> your joking or ?
[09:23] <mymayer> What should that be fore in linux ?
[09:24] <mymayer> In common, why is linnux so badly supporting sound in any case ?`
[09:24] <apachelogger> start teamspeak with aoss infront of the executable
[09:24] <apachelogger> well, aoss should be installed ;-)
[09:24] <apachelogger> mymayer: actually a lot because of oss and alsa
[09:25] <apachelogger> oss the "older" one is quite easier to code and still more spread
[09:25] <mymayer> apachelogger: how to install oss ?
[09:25] <apachelogger> oss doesn't support mixing of sources at software level
[09:26] <apachelogger> so if your card isn't well supported it will be the same/even worse crap
[09:26] <mymayer> that would mean 
[09:26] <mymayer> i have a audigy 2
[09:26] <apachelogger> no way
[09:27] <apachelogger> mymayer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/sound/alsa-oss
[09:27] <apachelogger> the application aoss is some kind of emulator
[09:28] <apachelogger> it makes it able to use oss and alsa applications at the same time
[09:28] <apachelogger> though it's not working always ... like every emulator ;-)
[09:29] <LeeJunFan> apachelogger: yeah, there's one for arts too, artsdsp but it doesn't work with teamspeak.
[09:29] <apachelogger> well artsdsp isn't working very much
[09:29] <apachelogger> and I'd not use it for voice chat since it causes a big lag
[09:32] <Hattori> how to check cpu load?
[09:32] <adina> well, unfortunately, i think i will have to switch to kanotix..... no one has any ideas how to get my logitech web cam working, hey?
[09:32] <madd_matt> adina : what model is it?
[09:32] <apachelogger> Hattori: cmd-line -> top | gui -> ksysguard
[09:32] <adina> qc messenger usb
[09:33] <apachelogger> usb is bad at all
[09:33] <apachelogger> s/at all/in general
[09:33] <jazwec> please...i need help...how can i format my windows partition to ext3 and then mount it to my existing kubuntu partition
[09:34] <sophie_> jazwec: without loosing your data?
[09:34] <jazwec> sophie yeah
[09:35] <apachelogger> O.o
[09:35] <sophie_> jazwec: I dont think its possible
[09:35] <apachelogger> that sounds kind impossible without a 2nd linux
[09:35] <jazwec> oh..i think without loosing my linux data
[09:35] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:35] <jazwec> i want to absolutely remove win...
[09:35] <apachelogger> that makes it more complicate
[09:36] <apachelogger> use a live cd
[09:36] <apachelogger> eg knoppix ;-)
[09:36] <sophie_> why not just mount your win drive and copy the data
[09:36] <apachelogger> nah
[09:36] <apachelogger> won't work
[09:36] <apachelogger> locking etc.
[09:36] <artnay> is there any way to set konqueror to act a bit like nautilus when one wants to rename a file? by default nautilus won't change the extension, it just highlights all text before .ENDing
[09:37] <apachelogger> jazwec: take a live cd, format your windows and then copy your kubuntu installation to the newly formated partition 
[09:37] <apachelogger> then you can boot kubuntu again
[09:37] <jazwec> i dont want to uninstall my linux :( i was making on it whole day
[09:37] <apachelogger> but attention!
[09:37] <apachelogger> keep the MBR 
[09:37] <apachelogger> else you won't be able to boot
[09:38] <Hattori> any mysql master?
[09:38] <apachelogger> #mysql ;-)
[09:39] <os2mac> is there a hotkey to make the background slideshow switch backgrounds?
[09:39] <apachelogger> artnay: erm, bah!
[09:39] <apachelogger> why shell we know nautilus?
[09:39] <apachelogger> #gnome
[09:39] <arcanistherogue> how do you add a new user?
[09:39] <arcanistherogue> in KDE
[09:39] <apachelogger> os2mac: don't think so
[09:39] <artnay> apachelogger: I'm not asking about nautilus. I just say that Nautilus does that better than Konqueror
[09:39] <apachelogger> arcanistherogue: systemsettings
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> apachelogger: in where?
[09:40] <apachelogger> arcanistherogue: you could also use the cmd-line tool "adduser"
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> ok
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> that seems better for me
[09:40] <apachelogger> well
[09:40] <apachelogger> kde
[09:40] <apachelogger> arcanistherogue: kuser
[09:40] <artnay> and I wanted to know if there's a way to change the behaviour. if there's not, maybe that would be a nice feature request
[09:40] <apachelogger> or start systemsettings
[09:40] <apachelogger> that's a app ;-)
[09:40] <arcanistherogue> apachelogger: thanks alot dude :D
[09:41] <apachelogger> artnay: gnome's propaganda always says that we have too much options so yeah there is a way to chane the behaviour
[09:41] <apachelogger> arcanistherogue: no problem
[09:42] <artnay> apachelogger: hahha, thought so. like to tell me how? ;)
[09:42] <apachelogger> artnay: dude I don't know what you mean and I don't know how nautilus acts in general
[09:42] <apachelogger> the time I used nautilus is 2 years ago
[09:42] <artnay> apachelogger: you're just being arrogant.
[09:43] <apachelogger> artnay: nah, I just don't know what you mean
[09:43] <apachelogger> it's like going to microsoft and ask how explorer get act like konqi
[09:43] <apachelogger> well, have to relogin
[09:44] <artnay> let me demonstrate: I have a file called "pla pla.mp3" and I want to rename it. I hit f2 or then do it with mouse. When I do that with Konqueror, it wants to change the whole name ("pla pla.mp3"). In nautilus this would only change "pla pla", not the .mp3 part.
[09:45] <artnay> there should be a possibility to enable this kind of behaviour
[09:45] <adina> how do i tell what kernel i am using?
[09:45] <artnay> uname -r
[09:45] <adina> thx
[09:45] <artnay> so is Konqueror still lacking this option?
[09:45] <artnay> let me demonstrate: I have a file called "pla pla.mp3" and I want to rename it. I hit f2 or then do it with mouse. When I do that with Konqueror, it wants to change the whole name ("pla pla.mp3"). In nautilus this would only change "pla pla", not the .mp3 part.
[09:46] <artnay> apachelogger: that's what I meant
[09:46] <adina> what is the laatest kernel?
[09:46] <artnay> adina: check www.kernel.org
[09:46] <Hattori> holy shit, maybe the nvidia works now..
[09:46] <apachelogger> artnay: ahhhh
[09:46] <artnay> apachelogger: do you think that Konqueror is acting right in that kind scenario?
[09:47] <apachelogger> imo yes
[09:47] <artnay> there should be an option to change that.
[09:47] <apachelogger> but I see your point
[09:47] <adina> is it easy to update the kernel?
[09:47] <apachelogger> artnay: yeah but .... gnome propaganda ;-)
[09:47] <artnay> so that would be one of my feature requests
[09:47] <sophie_> adina: apt-get upgrade
[09:47] <artnay> apachelogger: what is? I've always thought ppl say KDE to be more flexible
[09:48] <artnay> although I can't say if I can revert the behaviour of nautilus to be like Konq's
[09:48] <apachelogger> artnay: yeah but gnomes always tell pees that this is a disadvantage
[09:48] <adina> says nothing to upgrade
[09:48] <sophie_> adina: well then no kernel to upgrade
[09:48] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, being able to tweak? well that's like being trapped on win xp desktop. ;)
[09:48] <mymayer> apachelogger: i got also-oss installed
[09:48] <mymayer> what to do now ?
[09:49] <hunika> hello everybody
[09:49] <hussam> adina: did you do apt-get update first then apt-get upgrade ? there was a kernel update for breezy to 2.6.12-10 the other day
[09:50] <hussam> adina: if you have 2.6.12-10 then that's the later one for breezy
[09:51] <sophie_> hello hunika 
[09:52] <artnay> apachelogger: is that what you meant? GNOME ppl saying it's bad to have a choice to tweak instead of "rationale" default settings that might be changed via terrible gconf tool or some text file in /god/knows/where or in next version?
[09:52] <adina> 2.6.12-9-686 is the version....
[09:52] <apachelogger> artnay: gnome not always has rationale defaults ... and gnome has in general less functions, but yeah that's what I meant
[09:55] <artnay> apachelogger: well then I agree with you. but I can't make .mp3 file to be .ogg just renaming, now can I? that's a missing feature. one should have possibility to choose from those two kind of behaviours
[09:55] <apachelogger> artnay: bugs.kde.org
[09:55] <apachelogger> one doesn't just rename mp3s ;-)
[09:56] <sophie_> apachelogger: why rename mp3s when you have amarok
[09:57] <apachelogger> ah yeah :D
[09:57] <mymayer> apachelogger: i got also-oss installed, how to start teamspeak now ??
[09:57] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, I just thought to ask before filing a feature request. I've been looking for that feature since I started using 3 branch of KDE
[09:57] <apachelogger> mymayer: on konsole
[09:57] <apachelogger> aoss [name] 
[09:58] <apachelogger> aoss ./TeamSpeak.bin
[09:59] <apachelogger> or aoss [path] /TeamSpeak.bin
[10:00] <apachelogger> artnay: are you renaming that often?
[10:00] <apachelogger> ...renaming mp3s
[10:01] <mymayer> ok
[10:02] <mymayer> apachelogger: /home/mayer/TeamSpeak2RC2/TeamSpeak: line 8: 17828 Speicherzugriffsfehler  /home/mayer/TeamSpeak2RC2/TeamSpeak.bin $*
[10:02] <mymayer> means : memory acces error
[10:02] <apachelogger> one moment I'll install aoss
[10:04] <artnay> apachelogger: no, that could be solved by using sed/awk/perl/whatever, but in order to get more GNOME-oriented users to use KDE, KDE should be able to act more like GNOME apps if they do something better than KDE equivalents
[10:05] <artnay> in this case I think there's no reason to change the ending as one can't change jpg to png or mp3 to ogg that way
[10:05] <bsdboy> Does anyone know how well SIi 3112 RAID controller is supported on Linux 2.6.x ?
[10:05] <hunika> which is better kde or gnome? In my opinion kde is much more user friendly
[10:06] <artnay> I'm not saying KDE should change their defaults, but bringing this as an option would be a nice thing to do
[10:06] <apachelogger> hunika: kde
[10:06] <hunika> I use kde too
[10:06] <apachelogger> artnay: well, dunno maybe there is a reason why it selecets everything
[10:07] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, but I can't think any at the moment
[10:07] <hunika> but why is gnome so undeveloped, I mean without visual styles
[10:07] <artnay> hunika: ask GNOME-devs
[10:08] <artnay> and it's more more easier to make metacity borders than kwin decs
[10:08] <hunika> :D :D :D
[10:08] <apachelogger> artnay: me neither
[10:08] <sophie_> quit
[10:08] <hunika> but anyway gnome is not so wide spread like kde or is it?
[10:08] <apachelogger> mymayer: outlook is bad
[10:09] <apachelogger> hunika: not in europe ;-)
[10:09] <mymayer> apachelogger: outlook ?
[10:09] <apachelogger> you know .. europe like quality :P
[10:09] <apachelogger> mymayer: naja, sieht schlecht aus
[10:09] <mymayer> apachelogger:  dont use bad words :)
[10:09] <apachelogger> :P
[10:09] <mymayer> apachelogger:  flucht der hier ffentlich :D
[10:09] <artnay> hunika: because those two DEs have different kind of users in their dev minds
[10:10] <artnay> cox summed it up pretty good
[10:10] <mymayer> where do i find zsh-completition
[10:10] <hunika> anyway in my opinion kde is the best, user friednly, with beautifull visual styles
[10:11] <artnay> hunika: glad you like it. :)
[10:11] <apachelogger> mhhh
[10:11] <apachelogger> kde 4 is gonna be cool
[10:11] <hunika> I would like to have cross over office. How can I get????????????
[10:11] <apachelogger> hunika: order it
[10:11] <hunika> I would like a trial think
[10:11] <hunika> and if can be cracked? :D
[10:12] <apachelogger> O.o
[10:12] <apachelogger> Jeez!
[10:12] <apachelogger> hunika: #warez
[10:12] <artnay> crack my head
[10:12] <mymayer> apachelogger: how is gimg compared to ps ?
[10:13] <apachelogger> bullshit
[10:13] <apachelogger> use krita ;-)
[10:13] <apachelogger> mymayer: gimp has some big usability issues imo
[10:13] <apachelogger> ..still
[10:13] <apachelogger> mymayer: for "normal" drawing I suggest krita
[10:14] <hunika> I can not write in the main panel in #warez
[10:15] <_osh> hunika: I think asking for warez in here is wrong. Most things in linux are free and if you need something "not free" you should buy it.
[10:15] <arcanistherogue> how do I turn off that hover effect on the panels? when I hover over an Icon, it says stuff like "KMenu", and I am already aware of what Icon I am hovering over >_<
[10:15] <hunika> :D :D
[10:16] <nalioth> hunika: you should ask about your problems with #warez, in #warez
[10:16] <mymayer> apachelogger: i need something with layer, something prof. not just A tool
[10:16] <mymayer> layers, filters, masks
[10:16] <apachelogger> krita got them
[10:17] <mymayer> aha
[10:17] <mymayer> and gimp ?`
[10:17] <apachelogger> got them as well
[10:17] <mymayer> everybody says "gimp"
[10:17] <apachelogger> but it's still more professionall
[10:17] <apachelogger> well, like everybody says ps
[10:17] <apachelogger> I've seen 3 peeps using ps as it was meant to
[10:17] <mymayer> which is more prof. gimp or krita ?
[10:17] <apachelogger> gimp
[10:17] <mymayer> ok
[10:18] <mymayer> yeah ps is huge, and ia mean HUGE
[10:18] <mymayer> apachelogger: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/go.shtml?read=1&msg_id=9337687&forum_id=88585
[10:18] <apachelogger> though krita is still impoving 
[10:18] <mymayer> word up germanya..
[10:18] <apachelogger> so keep it on your list ;-)
[10:19] <apachelogger> mymayer: I like bild
[10:19] <apachelogger> though I'm a part of google and google is a par of me, I have to hack them now
[10:20] <artnay> apachelogger: Ok, it work while using detail view. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58749
[10:20] <artnay> +s
[10:20] <mymayer> apachelogger: you like bild ? i dont need to comment that
[10:21] <apachelogger> artnay: ah ... so there is probably a reason why it doesn't work in icon view ;-)
[10:21] <artnay> so it's been around for... 2,5 years now :o
[10:21] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, a bug ;D
[10:21] <apachelogger> mymayer: well, bild is making 50% of german comedy ... you have to like it
[10:21] <apachelogger> without bild life would be even more boring
[10:21] <apachelogger> artnay: you think?
[10:21] <mymayer> apachelogger:  yes and no. Its hard understanding ppl believung that
[10:22] <apachelogger> mymayer: well people think the eu is a usefull "club"
[10:22] <artnay> apachelogger: yeah, read #11
[10:22] <apachelogger> om2
[10:22] <apachelogger> *omg2
[10:23] <apachelogger> artnay: maybe you should talk to a konqueror developer
[10:23] <artnay> well at least I'm not blind ;)
[10:23] <artnay> apachelogger: and say what? you have a great product and such, but there's one bug
[10:23] <artnay> :D :D :D
[10:24] <apachelogger> artnay: nah that the bug is still open
[10:24] <artnay> no. actually, mouse gestures are buggy as well. and there's no undo action after closing a tab
[10:24] <apachelogger> this bug is a unneeded bug
[10:24] <artnay> but still konqueror is my fav over nautilus, finder, explorer, rox, mc
[10:25] <mymayer> i prever the shell :)
[10:25] <mymayer> prefer
[10:25] <mymayer> but i need zsh-completition now :d
[10:25] <mymayer> where can i find it ?
[10:25] <thompa> hi
[10:25] <mymayer> and how to install a *.deb file ?
[10:26] <thompa> i installed ndiswrapper, do i need to remove any other drivers ?
[10:27] <thompa> my original one is the ipw2200, but now ive got ndiswrapper
[10:28] <apachelogger> mymayer: dpkg -i [file] 
[10:29] <apachelogger> mymayer: package.ubuntu.com <-- to search for zsh-completition
[10:29] <thompa> !mplayer
[10:29] <ubotu> mplayer is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[10:29] <apachelogger> errr ... packages.ubuntu.com
[10:29] <thompa> anybody here
[10:33] <Mitja> I've installed all possible audio codecs and still get no sound when playing .avi movie. Otherwise I play mp3s just fine. Any solutions?
[10:35] <Mitja> I've tried in Kaffeine, mplayer and Totem Xine
[10:37] <mymayer> apachelogger: http:\\package.ubuntu.com doesnt work
[10:37] <mymayer> ah
[10:38] <thompa> can someone help me with ndiswrapper?
[10:39] <thompa> ive installed it, added it to modules for boot
[10:39] <thompa> do i need to remove the old ipw2200 drivers or at least disable them?
[10:40] <thompa> !ndiswrapper
[10:40] <ubotu> ndiswrapper is, like, totally, a way to support Windows wireless drivers, but it is buggy compared to native support. More info at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HowToSetUpNdiswrapper
[10:40] <thompa> not as buggy as ipw2200 on toshibas and acpi
[10:42] <Fillado> Mitja: try VLC
[10:44] <Mitja> Fillado: thanks, but still no sound
[10:45] <Fillado> have you tried changing the sound driver in it?
[10:46] <thompa> anybody know how i can tell if my wireless is using the wrapper or the kernel driver?
[10:46] <Mitja> Fillado: doing it now, doesn't seem to help
[10:47] <Fillado> ok
[10:48] <_osh> thompa: remove either. if network stops working you'll know... ;-)
[10:48] <ratero> Hello to all
[10:49] <fatejudger> what is the CLI command to view my partitions?
[10:49] <ratero> hello fatejudger 
[10:49] <fatejudger> ratero: is there something you need?
[10:49] <Fillado> fatejudger: sudo fdisk -l
[10:50] <thompa> _osh: is it only the ipw2200 module i need to remove?
[10:50] <Fillado> that's an L not an I :)
[10:50] <_osh> thompa: if that's your old network driver, yes.
[10:51] <fatejudger> Fillado: I don't want to edit them
[10:51] <fatejudger> Fillado: I just want to see info on them
[10:51] <Fillado> that doesn't edit them
[10:51] <fatejudger> Fillado: like how much space is left?
[10:51] <thompa> _osh: yes thanks
[10:51] <Fillado> just lists all HDD and their partitions
[10:51] <_osh> thompa: you're welcome.
[10:51] <fatejudger> Fillado: that doesn't  really help me
[10:52] <fatejudger> Fillado: I wish they didn't take off that feature in Konq
[10:52] <utta> fatejudger: df -h
[10:57] <fatejudger> utta: thanks
[10:58] <thompa> ive noticed that my kde settings window, i cant access the admin button.
[10:58] <thompa> what was the admin kde control command?
[10:58] <thompa> it shows eth0 disabled, but its not
[10:58] <thompa> sorry im on 3.5
[10:58] <thompa> rc1
[10:58] <thompa> it was fixed on 3.4 in an update i think
[10:58] <thompa> been typing to myself offline lol
[10:59] <thompa> does someone know the kde control panel command for admin?
[10:59] <thompa> my network settings window, the admin button is not accessible
[11:00] <thompa> its too far down,
[11:00] <mymayer> how to install a *.deb file ?
[11:01] <ToyMan> that wasn't fun
[11:01] <thompa> anybody?
[11:01] <apachelogger> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31865
[11:01] <thompa> whats another way to confugre network?
[11:01] <apachelogger> mymayer: dpkg -i [file] 
[11:01] <mymayer> apachelogger:  thank you
[11:02] <apachelogger> thompa: ifconfig ;-)
[11:02] <thompa> i know that one thanks, do you know how to sudo into control center?
[11:02] <thompa> forgot
[11:02] <apachelogger> which one?
[11:03] <apachelogger> systemsettings or kcontrol?
[11:03] <apachelogger> well such one of the both
[11:03] <thompa> kcontrol
[11:03] <apachelogger> sudo kcontrol or sudo systemsettings
[11:03] <thompa> oh duh!
[11:03] <thompa> thanks
[11:03] <apachelogger> np
[11:03] <thompa> im on 3.5 so i think the network settings window is still off
[11:04] <thompa> in 3.4 there was a fix
[11:04] <karvr> hey guys, i have just installed kubuntu and had some probs with grub, i have 2 hard drives and am not willing to risk main mbr, only way i can get into kubuntu is to install grub on floppy, it won't go in mbr of 2nd slave drive , any iseas?
[11:04] <thompa> its too large for the screen impossible to get to button
[11:04] <apachelogger> thompa: also in kcontrol?
[11:05] <apachelogger> this only happened with systemsettings here
[11:05] <apachelogger> though just hit alt+a 
[11:05] <apachelogger> ..= apply :P
[11:06] <apachelogger> kood nikht
[11:22] <thompa> !irc
[11:22] <ubotu> well, irc is Internet Relay Chat. It is a virtual network with servers allowing connections from clients where many people connect and chat with each other related to Linux or even sex.
[11:23] <thompa> im having some irc problems, really annoying
[11:24] <thompa> how can i tell if im even on irc?
[11:24] <yannz> thompa: you're on irc.
[11:24] <raphink> you can tell thompa because we're answering you
[11:24] <raphink> :p
[11:25] <raphink> does ubotu have to talk about sex when prompted about irc ?
[11:25] <raphink> who set that?
[11:25] <raphink> it's gross and out of topic
[11:26] <thompa> well i was not able to get on because thompa was already in use
[11:26] <thompa> which was me before
[11:26] <raphink> mhm
[11:26] <raphink> wb jsubl2 
[11:27] <jsubl2> howdy
[11:27] <thompa> now im using konversation
[11:27] <thompa> was xchat before
[11:27] <raphink> konversation is nice :)
[11:27] <raphink> fine jsubl2 thanks, how about you?
[11:27] <thompa> i had to log out
[11:27] <jsubl2> good.. lazy sunday afternoon
[11:27] <thompa> i guess i could just kill irc
[11:28] <raphink> thompa: all nicks are unique on a network
[11:28] <raphink> that means you can't bear the same nick on two machines at the same time on the same network
[11:28] <thompa> right
[11:28] <thompa> thats good
[11:28] <raphink> or even on one with two clients ;)
[11:28] <raphink> if you care about your nick thompa you should register it and assign it a password
[11:28] <raphink> so you can be sure no one can use it
[11:29] <thompa> well it still had me on, because i could not get on
[11:29] <thompa> it is
[11:29] <raphink> except you of course ;)
[11:29] <thompa> registered
[11:29] <raphink> oh ok :)
[11:29] <raphink> jsubl2: sunday night here, almost monday ;)
[11:29] <jsubl2> raphink, europe
[11:29] <thompa> i think its my internet connection
[11:29] <raphink> yep jsubl2 
[11:29] <raphink> thompa: that's possible, but it can well be something else
[11:30] <thompa> the other tab says i have to identify
[11:30] <thompa> i set xchat to auto identify
[11:31] <thompa> konversation uses xchat doesnt it
[11:31] <jsubl2> nope konversation is written in c++
[11:31] <thompa> oh
[11:32] <thompa> well im on 3.5 rc1 so could be a bug
[11:32] <raphink> nope
[11:33] <raphink> you have to set the autologin in a weird place
[11:33] <raphink> where you set the server dns
[11:33] <thompa> under identities auto identify, what goes in service space?
[11:33] <raphink> it's in the server list
[11:34] <raphink> choose the Freenode network
[11:34] <raphink> select the server you use
[11:34] <thompa> the network part is blank
[11:34] <raphink> and set a password for it
[11:34] <raphink> it took me a long time to find that ;)
[11:34] <raphink> wait I'll show you thompa 
[11:35] <raphink> http://raphink.myftp.org/linux/konversation2.jpg
[11:35] <raphink> look there
[11:35] <thompa> ok
[11:35] <raphink> sorry it's in french ;)
[11:36] <raphink> hehe
[11:36] <thompa> thanks raphink
[11:36] <thompa> doesnt matter
[11:36] <thompa> is rc2 out yet?
[11:36] <jsubl2> raphink, my ancestors are from france
[11:36] <raphink> nice
[11:36] <thompa> im german
[11:37] <thompa> but in nashville
[11:37] <raphink> gut :)
[11:37] <raphink> hehe
[11:38] <thompa> germans like all that shit anyway
[11:38] <thompa> the german resatuarant here is awful
[11:39] <thompa> conrbread with saurkraut
[11:42] <thompa> raphink: konversation worked
[11:42] <thompa> thanks
[11:42] <raphink> :)
[11:42] <raphink> good
[11:51] <hussam> is kde-look.org down? can somebody check?
[11:54] <hussam> nevermind it opens now
[11:57] <libben> is there anyway to tell grub that i allways want to start my second choice in the list? cause on top there is windows xp and underneath it the rest is linux kernels. so is there anyway to tell grub to allways load number 2 in list?
[11:57] <hussam> check out this kubuntu winter wallpaper: http://kde-look.org/content/files/31701-kubuntu_winter.png
[11:59] <insanekane> libben: yes, edit your menu.lst and change the default
[12:00] <insanekane> libben: it's right at the begnning of the file
[12:00] <libben> aah
[12:00] <libben> the one that reads defaul  0
[12:00] <libben> so if i change that to 1 im good to go 
[12:00] <insanekane> yes
[12:00] <insanekane> you should change that to 1
[12:00] <insanekane> libben: umm, and i believe run grub on the console
[12:01] <libben> ?