[12:15] <\sh> elmo: please sync debtags-edit from unstable, dropping ubuntu-changes ok, thx
[01:36] <lamont-away> openjade:/home/lamont/dapper/libgtk-java-2.6.2/doc/FAQ.sgml:1:57:W: cannot generate system identifier for public text "-//OASIS//DTD DocBook V3.1//EN"
[01:36] <lamont-away> openjade:/home/lamont/dapper/libgtk-java-2.6.2/doc/FAQ.sgml:1:57:E: reference to entity "ARTICLE" for which no system identifier could be generated
[02:01] <StevenK> daniels: ping
[02:12] <lamont-away> daniels: xserver-xorg-driver-sis needs -ffunction-section love too... where do you want diffs sent when I fix them?
[02:48] <jdub> are there testing versions of l-r-m for new X and/or 2.6.15?
[03:31] <crimsun> elmo: please sync grace and libmath++ from Sid (ok to override Ubuntu changes), thanks
[04:15] <floam> daniels: any headway on #20052
[04:31] <pepsi> well hi there
[04:34] <pepsi> really i just want some source so i can compile it
[04:34] <Burgundavia> pepsi, g-a-i is written in python
[04:34] <pepsi> well ill be
[04:34] <pepsi> ok
[04:35] <pepsi> hmf.. was hoping for some C :(
[04:35] <Burgundavia> we are a little python mad around here
[04:36] <Burgundavia> why would you want C over Python?
[04:36] <pepsi> cause i dont know python :)
[04:36] <Burgundavia> ah
[04:36] <Burgundavia> good time to learn
[04:36] <pepsi> interesting that its a gui app
[04:36] <pepsi> i wasnt aware that you could do that
[04:36] <crimsun> there are python bindings for virtually everything
[04:45] <pepsi> hrm
[04:45] <pepsi> im sure there are more files for development than just what gets distributed though
[04:45] <pepsi> how can i find that? :)
[04:46] <Burgundavia> pepsi, you can find the deb source, but with python you already have everything
[04:47] <pepsi> hrm
[04:49] <pepsi> alrighty.. if everything i need is in this here .py file, i guess its on to learning python for me :)
[04:50] <Burgundavia> pepsi, I haven't looked at g-a-i but that should be most of what you need
[04:57] <pepsi> oh theres some fun stuff like a .glade file in the source package
[04:57] <Burgundavia> that defines the interface
[04:57] <pepsi> right
[05:11] <psusi> bootchart shows how much processing and IO is going on during boot... is there a way to find out exactly which files are being accessed?
[05:39] <yi> daniels: any progress on the evdev issue?
[05:40] <Burgundavia> poor daniels, getting pinged by some many people
[05:47] <pepsi> ok this python thing calls some C bindings
[05:47] <pepsi> can i print
[05:47] <pepsi> er can i print to stderror from those bindings?
[05:48] <pepsi> then i get back to C, you see :)
[05:52] <ispiked> dmwaters should tell us what servers are going to stay up.
[06:53] <shaya> anyone here understand x86 assem objdump will produce?
[09:40] <sivang> Morning sundayers
[09:41] <crimsun> 'morning, sivang 
[09:41] <sivang> morning fabbione 
[09:42] <sivang> hmm, just upgraded again - got "no sockets available" error for cardmgr, known?
[09:43] <fabbione> sivang: yes
[09:43] <sivang> fabbione: k, cool
[09:43] <fabbione> there is a pcmcia* transition going on afaik
[09:43] <sivang> fabbione: ah I see, also loads of packages synaptic can't upgrade, I wonder if a dist-upgrade would do that
[09:44] <fabbione> dunno
[09:44] <fabbione> didn't upgrade yet
[09:44] <sivang> oh! I just recalled someone said something about Kamion replacing cardmgr or so
[09:45] <fabbione> exactly
[09:46] <StevenK> fabbione: Do you recall why GLw support was killed out of mesa?
[09:47] <StevenK> cardmgr being replaced with what? udev?
[09:48] <Mithrandir> pccardmgr, iirc
[09:49] <fabbione> StevenK: no sorry.. that's a daniels question. I *think* it was to remove duplication since the code was getting more and more the same
[09:49] <StevenK> fabbione: I've pinged daniels, but you were talking so I thought I'd ask you anyway.
[09:50] <fabbione> StevenK: daniels is VAC for a week or so
[09:50] <fabbione> StevenK: no problem.. i just don't know the answer :)
[09:50] <StevenK> Blah.
[09:51] <fabbione> StevenK: just call -$(MAKE) clean
[09:51] <fabbione> it will fail gracefully if Makefile is not there
[09:51] <StevenK> But if the Makefile doesn't exist, this package calls ./configure
[09:51] <StevenK> So it runs ./configure for clean and then again for building.
[09:51] <fabbione> crap
[09:52] <StevenK> Exactly what I thought.
[09:52] <fabbione> that's similar to what i have to do with redhat-cluster-suite
[09:52] <fabbione> but the configure is neither sane or evil
[09:52] <StevenK> It runs -$(MAKE) distclean
[09:52] <fabbione> it's some hacked up shell script...
[10:34] <pitti> Hi
[10:36] <siretart> hey Martin!
[10:36] <pitti> Riddell: ping
[10:36] <fabbione> hi pitti
[10:36] <ajmitch> hi
[10:36] <pitti> Hi siretart, fabbione, ajmitch 
[10:38] <ajmitch> so, are we getting rid of python 2.3 dependencies & packages now? :)
[10:39] <ajmitch> doko_: I've got a list of zope packages to merge, holding off until I know what the 2.3 vs 2.4 situation is 
[10:54] <siretart> elmo: please sync gnomemm from unstable, overriding ubunut changes. thnx
[11:03] <Riddell> pitti: hi
[11:05] <siretart> elmo: please sync gxmms from unstable, overriding ubuntu changes
[11:08] <Mithrandir> uhm, did we rename ff to deer park?
[11:10] <sivang> Mithrandir: just like debian did, AFAICT
[11:11] <Mithrandir> heh, 'k
[11:11] <siretart> elmo: please sync hamlib from unstable, overriding ubuntu changes
[11:11] <sivang> Mithrandir: it was VERY weird to me as well :)
[11:11] <\sh> moins
[11:11] <ajmitch> hi \sh 
[11:11] <sivang> moins \sh, ajmitch , Mithrandir 
[11:12] <\sh> well..it's raining, it's colde...and I have a very nice headache...good morning world
[11:12] <\sh> s/colde/cold/
[11:12] <ajmitch> elmo: please sync rdiff-backup from sid, dropping ubuntu changes thanks
[11:12] <sivang> \sh: but it's sunday :) Imagine yourself you would have had to be at work now, as I am now 
[11:13] <Burgundavia> sivang, you mean they renamed the source package to deerpark?
[11:13] <\sh> sivang: well, it's less then 4 weeks to x-mas
[11:13] <infinity> ajmitch : Yes, we're trying to get rid of python2.3 in mina.
[11:13] <infinity> ajmitch : main, too.
[11:14] <ajmitch> infinity: right, I think zope 2.x was being dropped back to universe, so those packages could be untouched if we wanted
[11:14] <infinity> ajmitch : zope2.x has already been punted to universe.  We did it at UBZ.
[11:14] <ajmitch> I'll wait for doko's info on it
[11:14] <sivang> Burgundavia: not yet, but s/firefox/deer park/ branding all over the prog
[11:15] <ajmitch> wonderful
[11:15] <Burgundavia> sivang, ah
[11:15] <Burgundavia> sivang, Mozilla's trademark chickens are coming home....
[11:15] <sivang> Burgundavia: something related to moz's licnese , or TM rules don't really recall
[11:15] <sivang> ;)
[11:16] <ajmitch> sivang: and it shows up in epiphany too
[11:16] <ajmitch> like when it asks to save passwords
[11:16] <Burgundavia> we had better publicize that well so that people don't wonder where FF went
[11:16] <infinity> Are you sure it's not just named Deer Park during the beta period?
[11:17] <ajmitch> I assumed it was
[11:17] <infinity> That was my assumption.
[11:17] <Lathiat> as did i
[11:17] <sivang> infinity: worth a check
[11:17] <infinity> I'm pretty sure that's the case.
[11:18] <sivang> infinity: seems you are right. damn rumors spreader :)
[11:18] <\sh> let's spread rumours without any checks...and on the 1st if April...we will call all people who believed in those rumours "fools" ;)
[11:18] <Burgundavia> infinity, but 1.5 is about to become stable
[11:18] <\sh> s/if/of/
[11:18] <infinity> Burgundavia : About to.  It isn't currently.
[11:18] <infinity> Burgundavia : Rebranding the Mozilla source is VERY easy.  I assume upstream will rebrad last thing before release.
[11:19] <siretart> elmo: please sync imms from unstable, overriding ubuntu changes
[11:19] <pitti> Riddell: could you teach libakode-dev to not use jack?
[11:19] <sivang> infinity: how come it's easy? I've heared everything else is not...;-)
[11:19] <pitti> Riddell: or is that explicitly wanted?
[11:19] <infinity> siretart : Oh, dude.  Was it you that requested a sync of a library that has a different name in Ubuntu and Debian?
[11:20] <siretart> infinity: if you are talking about avifile, yes
[11:20] <infinity> siretart : You need to hand-merge that, not sync it, otherwise you'll be missing the "replaces: libfooc2" to make it overwrite the Ubuntu lib.
[11:20] <infinity> siretart : Unless the Debian maintainer has put that Replaces in there for you.
[11:20] <siretart> *selfslap*
[11:21] <siretart> infinity: you are right, I knew why I was asking ubuntu-devel first..
[11:21] <siretart> I'm on it
[11:21] <infinity> siretart : Probably best to get a Conflicts/Replaces in the Debian package anyway, but for now, you can't use a package without it.
[11:21] <\sh> elmo: don't listen to siretart avifile sync, thx
[11:22] <siretart> elmo: \sh is right, I was wrong about that avifile sync
[11:22] <Mithrandir> siretart: in which case, you can now hand-merge it and upload, since the sync will then fail (if elmo is reading it consecutively rather than reading through and removing it)
[11:23] <siretart> Mithrandir: thats what I mean with 'I'm on it'.. yes
[11:23] <infinity> siretart : And by "hand merge", I mean "take the Debian source, and add the conflict/replace"... No need to do any other "merging".
[11:23] <Mithrandir> siretart: go faster! ;-P
[11:23] <siretart> infinity: yes. I doing it right now
[11:23] <infinity> siretart : Especially if you file a wishlist bug in Debian asking for them to add the conflict/replace there as well, so you can sync it later.
[11:24] <\sh> Mithrandir: got my whishlist request for ravel? :)
[11:24] <siretart> err, stop
[11:24] <Mithrandir> \sh: yes, but I'm on my way out now, so I won't do it for another few hours.
[11:24] <siretart> Replaces: libavifile0.7, libavifile0.7c102, libavifile-0.7c102
[11:24] <siretart> Conflicts: libavifile0.7, libavifile0.7c102, libavifile-0.7c102
[11:24] <siretart> this is in the debian package I requested the sync from
[11:25] <siretart> new binary package name is libavifile-0.7c2
[11:25] <\sh> Mithrandir: no...don't do it now...I just realised, there wasn't any yesterday...so play in the snow on the 1st advent
[11:25] <siretart> infinity: this should be fine, shouldn't it?
[11:25] <infinity> siretart : What was the old libname in Ubuntu?
[11:25] <\sh> without the c2 when it was before c102
[11:26] <Mithrandir> pitti: any chance you could take a look at my sane-backends merge tomorrow?  I think it's sane, but you've looked at it before, and I'm not sure I do all the right things at the right places.
[11:26] <infinity> siretart : You need to Conflict/Replace libavifile-0.7 as well.
[11:26] <siretart> infinity: it is currently libavifile-0.7
[11:26] <pitti> Mithrandir: sure, no problem; I don't have a scanner, though, but I should still know the mods I made
[11:26] <siretart> ah, the '-' matters. okay.. 
[11:27] <Mithrandir> pitti: thanks, great.  I'll just ping you when I'm at work tomorrow, since I don't have the package here, nor access to the machine from here.
[11:27] <pitti> Mithrandir: yes, that's fine
[11:33] <pef> hello
[11:39] <Riddell> pitti: the archives are mixed up for akode, there's a new version got lost somewhere along the way and we need elmo to fix it
[11:40] <pitti> Riddell: ok, so you wouldn't mind dropping jack support?
[11:45] <slomo> elmo: please sync haskell-cabal and sablevm from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped
[11:46] <siretart> hm. avifile got accepted, but it builds new binary packages. shouldn't it be in NEW?
[12:16] <infinity> siretart : It's not new source, only new binaries, so it's accepted, will get built, then the binaries will get stuck in NEW.
[12:18] <slomo> elmo: and please sync gnome-gpg and kaffe from debian unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped
[02:55] <infinity> elmo : I'd love it if I stopped getting unaccept spam. :/
[02:56] <dholbach> Kamion, mdz: if you're there, could you please promote libgnome-vfsmm-2.6-1c2a and libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a to main?
[02:57] <pepsi> so im chasing a bug either with firefox or python-gnome2-extras (the python bindings for gtkembedmoz) that makes embedded mozilla browsers segfault
[02:57] <siretart> huhu dholbach!
[02:57] <dholbach> hi siretart :)
[03:12] <dholbach> hi zakame 
[03:13] <zakame> hi dholbach :-)
[03:15] <\sh> moins dholbach 
[03:16] <\sh> dholbach: are u working on libgconfmm-2.6
[03:17] <slomo> infinity: please give-back rep-gtk on i386 if not already happenend and failed again
[03:17] <infinity> slomo : I just gave back the world about 20 seconds ago.  You're too late.
[03:17] <slomo> infinity: ok ;) thanks
[03:18] <dholbach> \sh: it's not on dokos list
[03:18] <\sh> dholbach: it's uninstallable
[03:18] <infinity> Picky, picky.
[03:18] <dholbach> \sh: that's because of binary packages, which were not promoted yet
[03:18] <\sh> gnarf...that's why i'm sitting on some bugs
[03:19] <\sh> but good to know :)
[03:19] <dholbach> :)
[03:19] <\sh> think I'
[03:19] <\sh> m too fast for this time :)
[03:19] <dholbach> and i think, i'm out for a dogwalk... see you later guys :)
[03:20] <\sh> dholbach: have fun
[03:20] <dholbach> you too :)
[03:21] <\sh> well...I'
[03:21] <dholbach> \sh: after libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a is promoted, gconfmm2.6 should just require a rebuild - feel free to do so (force new gtkmm in build-deps)
[03:21] <\sh> ll rock again on merges
[03:22] <\sh> well...
[03:22] <\sh> yes
[03:22] <dholbach> :-)
[03:22] <pepsi> hrm.. a package doesnt know how to find a library.. how can i give it a hand in doing so?
[03:22] <\sh> dholbach: gtkmm2.4 is installable :)
[03:22] <dholbach> \sh: but the library package is in universe
[03:23] <\sh> dholbach: i'll wait...i have a lot of time and a bunch of other packages to work on :) and a cool tomboy documentation of things which are not fixed
[03:23] <dholbach> :-)
[03:23] <dholbach> right, have fun then :)
[03:23] <dholbach> *wave*
[03:31] <siretart> whops. devscripts ftbfs
[03:32] <\sh> siretart: shame on you ,)
[03:32] <siretart> hey, it wasn't me!
[03:33] <\sh> siretart: fix it :)
[03:33] <\sh> siretart: you have the power...use the source, luke :)
[03:35] <siretart> \sh: mmh. seems to be some perl libdb bindings not at recent enough versions. has potential to break quite a lot.. hmmm
[03:54] <pepsi> hi
[03:54] <pepsi> this here package is looking for a library in /usr/local/lib/mozilla-firefox instead of /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox where it actually resides
[03:55] <pepsi> i dont knwo how decides where to look
[03:55] <siretart> which package?
[03:56] <pepsi> python2.4-gnome2-extras
[04:01] <\sh> infinity: why the hell I should go the NM way?
[04:02] <\sh> infinity: or the motus in total?
[04:30] <zul> heylo
[04:41] <HiddenWolf> When is the next flight due?
[04:42] <\sh> elmo: please sync gnotime , gsmlib from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok, thx
[04:59] <slomo> elmo: please sync sablevm, haskell-cabal, gnome-gpg, kaffe, sawfish, libnss-ldap from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped
[05:07] <\sh> elmo: please sync libmath++ , pdftk , piuparts , libccaudio , devilspi from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok, thx
[05:07] <HiddenWolf> \sh, devilspie?
[05:07] <\sh> yes
[05:08] <HiddenWolf> \sh, don't make poor elmo guess then. :)
[05:08] <\sh> elmo: [UPDATE:]  please sync libmath++ , pdftk , piuparts , libccaudio , devilspie from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok, thx
[05:08] <\sh> HiddenWolf: i don
[05:08] <HiddenWolf> \sh grins
[05:08] <HiddenWolf> :)
[05:08] <\sh> 't want to...and this enter key should be somewhere else
[05:08] <zakame> \sh: thank you :)
[05:08] <HiddenWolf> \sh, i'm pretty sure it's usually in the same spot.
[05:18] <\sh> well...one letter missing can sometimes be a big issue ,)
[05:28] <psusi> bootchart lists the amount of cpu and IO during boot... is there a way to find out what files that IO is for?
[05:29] <HiddenWolf> psusi, check the source of the processes run.
[05:31] <psusi> Ummm... I'm not going to read throuhg a million lines of code ;)
[05:32] <psusi> maybe strace?  hrm...
[05:32] <psusi> time for the daily dapper upgrades
[06:21] <\sh> elmo: please sync gtkmathview , gtodo-applet , guifications , guppi from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes ok, thx
[07:58] <\sh> elmo: please sync hk-classes from unstable, dropping ubuntu changes
[08:19] <fabbione> jbailey: ping?
[08:20] <\sh> evening fabbione 
[08:20] <fabbione> hi \sh
[08:39] <slomo_> elmo: please sync python-xlib from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped
[08:42] <ajmitch> elmo: please sync pyparsing from debian unstable, dropping ubuntu changes thanks
[09:29] <Mithrandir> jamesh: around?
[09:30] <Mithrandir> jamesh: regarding pkg-config and Requires.private.  Would it make sense for it to include the -I cflags from private packages?
[09:38] <\sh> ok..start to go to bed...and sorry for spamming -changes ;)
[09:38] <HiddenWolf> \sh, how many merge bugs did you fix today? 
[09:41] <\sh> HiddenWolf: most of the merges...but I'm waiting for elmo to sync a buch 
[09:41] <\sh> bunch
[09:41] <HiddenWolf> \sh, congrats. :)
[09:42] <\sh> HiddenWolf: oh well no...more then 200 packages left....a lot of work to do
[09:42] <HiddenWolf> \sh, work has a tendency to keep piling up. Still, nice job, for a sunday.
[09:42] <\sh> HiddenWolf: yesterday I did more ,)
[09:43] <HiddenWolf> \sh, yesterday was not a sunday.
[09:43] <HiddenWolf> day of rest, you know. ;)
[09:43] <\sh> but this is all not important...at least we are done when 2nd of feb is hitting us
[09:43] <\sh> and then there will be another round of unmet deps...brrr
[09:44] <HiddenWolf> 2nd of feb?
[09:44] <\sh> w.u.c/DapperReleaseSchedule 
[09:44] <\sh> "Remaning Upstream merges completed"
[09:45] <\sh> remaining even
[09:45] <ogra> not renaming ? :p
[09:46] <\sh> ogra: BAH
[09:46] <ogra> heh
[09:47] <\sh> ogra: u see...I'm just completly confused
[09:47] <ogra> \sh, get some sleep
[09:47] <\sh> ogra: one cigarette close to sleep
[09:49] <\sh> ogra: how is edubuntu coming along?
[09:49] <ogra> restuctured ldm today ...
[09:49] <ogra> i hope mdz likes it now :)
[09:49] <\sh> :)
[09:50] <ogra> and i'm starting to hate kino... somehow its totally broken and keeps the CD from being ready
[09:50] <\sh> kino?
[09:50] <\sh> kde app?
[09:50] <ogra> heh, nope
[09:50] <HiddenWolf> unfortunatly not.
[09:50] <HiddenWolf> it's a gtk app in bad taste. ;)
[09:50] <ogra> luckily not
[09:51] <\sh> hmmm...laptops burning after I told email client to mark 2000 mails as read
[09:51] <\sh> but no crash...nice...good kmail
[09:54] <\sh> ok...done for today...good night people
[10:10] <sistpoty> elmo: please sync openc++ from unstable, ubuntu override ok
[10:27] <tseng> Diziet: ping
[10:29] <tseng> Diziet: alot of stuff seems to be ftbfs because nsServiceManagerUtils.h isnt shipped in the headers in firefox-dev, it looks at first glance like a build system question than a packaging question (you include all of /usr/include/mozilla-firefox)
[10:54] <ajmitch> elmo: please sync bicyclerepair from sid, dropping ubuntu changes thanks