[12:31] <veda> hi
[12:31] <veda> is there any localized version of edubuntu in spanish?
[12:32] <ogra> you can install any language post install ...
[12:33] <ogra> we support all languages ubuntu supports
[12:36] <veda> great!
[12:36] <veda> tnx
[12:37] <ogra> if you dont have net access to install the language, try the dvd, it contains all 90 languages :)
[12:38] <veda> :-P
[12:38] <veda> I'll try both
[12:38] <veda> thanks again
[12:38] <ogra> (the CD only contains the english language packs, you need to grab additional langs from the net... not enough space there)
[12:38] <ogra> youre welcome :)
[02:10] <noah> neither the front page nor the faq mentions how edubuntu differs from regular ubuntu... seems like a slightly glaring omission...
[02:11] <noah> "educational software (such as GCompris and the KDE education suite)" -- is that it?
[06:30] <neoandertal> any brazilian here?
[07:31] <cafuego> mornin'!
[07:31] <juliux> morning
[07:31] <cafuego> can anyone tel me how I can tweak screen resolutions for clients?
[09:07] <pc22> shalom davix
[09:11] <highvoltage> morning guys
[09:11] <pc22> hello
[09:11] <pc22> re: broken packages during installation. and wont fix broken packages. do i have to redownload installer?
[09:18] <highvoltage> pc22: did you md5sum check your cd image before burning it?
[09:18] <pc22> no
[09:19] <pc22> how do i do it
[09:19] <highvoltage> it could be that something went wrong with the cd download
[09:19] <highvoltage> did you download to a windows or a linux machine?
[09:19] <highvoltage> in linux you just type "md5sum cdimage.iso"
[09:19] <pc22> windows
[09:19] <pc22> in xp?
[09:19] <highvoltage> i'm not sure how to do it in windows, i think there is information about it on the wiki...
[09:19] <pc22> highvoltage, u using edubuntu?
[09:19] <highvoltage> i'll see if i can find it.
[09:19] <highvoltage> yep.
[09:20] <pc22> cool
[09:20] <pc22> actually my iso is edubuntu
[09:22] <highvoltage> pc22: look at http://wiki.edubuntu.org/Checksum?highlight=%28md5sum%29
[09:23] <highvoltage> there's a link on the bottom of the page to winmd5sum, a program that lets you check ISO's under Windows
[09:24] <pc22> i have a homenetwork
[09:24] <pc22> what can edubuntu do for me? for the kids? ;)
[09:27] <pc22> highvoltage, how do i compare?
[09:35] <highvoltage> sorry, been on phone.
[09:35] <highvoltage> compare the md5sums?
[09:35] <highvoltage> in linux i just type "md5sum filename.iso"
[09:35] <highvoltage> i suppose the windows one will work similar.
[10:16] <pc22> highvoltage its done
[10:16] <pc22> perfect 
[10:16] <pc22> now trying to isntall
[12:09] <highvoltage> ogra: hi there. i'm working on some edubuntu documentation for future tuxlab rollout. will the lts.conf file still be fully supported in future versions of ubuntu ltsp?
[12:10] <ogra> sure
[12:10] <ogra> see mdz's changelog, there are a lot more options supported already
[12:11] <ogra> highvoltage, and http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/LTSPManager/ relies on lts.conf ;)
[12:11] <highvoltage> excellent!
[12:11] <ogra> (or will, once its implemented)
[12:12] <highvoltage> ogra: is this what you're talking about?
[12:12] <highvoltage> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuLtsConfParams?action=show&redirect=EdubuntuLtsParams
[12:12] <highvoltage> or where can i find mdz's changelog?
[12:12] <ogra> nope, that are the breezy config options we support ...
[12:13] <ogra> in his bzr branch, install bzr and bzrk, then do a bzr viz with his url... wait, have to look it up
[12:15] <highvoltage> ogra: don't worry, i have enought to keep me busy with for now :)
[12:15] <highvoltage> i'll check out bzr again a bit later.
[12:15] <ogra> bzr viz http://people.ubuntu.com/~mdz/bazaar/ltsp/main/
[12:15] <ogra> thats the command :)
[12:16] <highvoltage> omg, i don't have bzr installed yet
[12:16] <ogra> deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~jbailey/snapshot/bzr/ ./
[12:16] <ogra> grab it from there
[12:17] <ogra> and bzrk ... thats a neat gui
[12:32] <Yagisan> ogra: thanks for the packaging help. the Replaces and dpkg-divert magic worked well :)
[12:32] <ogra> great :)
[12:33] <Yagisan> ogra: the game I was packaging looks *really* good now, with those updates
[12:33] <ogra> great, rhrow it on revu then ;)
[12:33] <ogra> *throw
[12:35] <Yagisan> ogra: I can't :( I need to dfsg the source for revu, and siretart canned the data packs because upstream won't write a license
[12:35] <Yagisan> that says anything other then "non-commercial use only"
[12:35] <ogra> bah
[12:36] <Yagisan> ogra: It's also "not good" to load about 1GB of data packs to revu O:-)
[12:36] <ogra> ugh, 1GB ?
[12:37] <Yagisan> ogra: That's a lot of textures, models - for Doom, Heretic and Hexen
[12:37] <ogra> ah
[12:38] <Yagisan> ogra: The screenshots on my page need to be replaced, it looks better now - I'm doing the hexen updates now, and heretic tommorow
[12:40] <Yagisan> ogra: apparently I've been told in some places eg Germany, that if it isn't explicitly permitted, then it is forbidden
[12:40] <Yagisan> that is why the data packs where rejected
[12:40] <ogra> yup...
[12:41] <Yagisan> where it is opposite here, unless explicitly forbidden, it is permitted
[12:42] <Yagisan> and obviously where upstream for the data packs too (they are mirrored all over the net - but can't be in ubuntu :( )
[12:42] <Yagisan> For kicks, I should try to get it running as a local app
[12:43] <ajmitch_> I think the usual convention is redistribution is forbidden unless otherwise allowed
[12:44] <Yagisan> ajmitch_: Yep, I'm still trying to convince upstream to write a decent license, I don't really want to do a msttcorefonts type package
[12:45] <ajmitch_> the only way stuff can get into multiverse is if we have redistribution, that's not just a special grant to ubuntu
[12:46] <Yagisan> ajmitch_: Most packs have redistribution that isn't a special grant, but I have to get a forum post for it - it's not in a license
[12:46] <ajmitch_> which doesn't cut it
[12:49] <Yagisan> ajmitch_: It's a pain in the neck to have to save the forum post, it really should be in a license file. Anyway hows things going ?
[12:49] <ajmitch_> things are going well enough, how are you?
[12:50] <Yagisan> ajmitch_: I'm very busy, the new baby is taking up lots of time, and my mother-in-law has just been diagnosed with cancer :(
[12:50] <ajmitch_> oh dear :(
[12:51] <Yagisan> ajmitch_: I'm trying to get 1000 paper cranes folded and posted to her as soon as possible
[12:51] <ajmitch_> ouch, good luck
[12:52] <Yagisan> ajmitch_: It's supposed to grant her a wish (at least that's the story), so tomorrow I'm off to get more paper
[12:53] <Yagisan> ajmitch_: It sucks, she's a non-smoker, non-drinker, does everything right, and she still got cancer.
[01:14] <highvoltage> ogra: i get:
[01:14] <highvoltage> W: GPG error: http://people.ubuntu.com ./ Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B0B7481B1F44842D
[01:14] <highvoltage> how do i import that key into apt again?
[01:14] <highvoltage> or should i just disable the gpg checking
[01:15] <ogra> just igrnore it for now ... it will install anyway and jbailey is ubuntu dev, you can trust him :)
[01:17] <ogra> you can download his key from the keyserver and run: sudo apt-key add <keyfile> 
[01:17] <highvoltage> i can't install bzr because of some package problems. my punishment for being on dapper :)
[01:17] <ajmitch_> which problems?
[01:17] <ogra> i'm on dapper too...
[01:17] <ogra> works fine here
[01:17] <highvoltage> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[01:17] <highvoltage>   livesupport-libs: Depends: unixodbc but it is not going to be installed
[01:17] <highvoltage>                     Depends: unixodbc (>= 2.2) but it is not going to be installed
[01:18] <ajmitch_> ah, totaly unrelated to bzr
[01:18] <highvoltage> oh. ok.
[01:23] <Yagisan> ogra: would load balancing or clustering software be of interest to you with edubuntu ? It looks like openmosix has a working 2.6 release now
[01:24] <ogra> not for dapper
[01:24] <Yagisan> ogra: but in general yes ? (I'll mention dapper for requests/suggestions for dapper)
[01:25] <ogra> we havent decided yet if we will include something along this lines ... at ubz we only talke about load balancing cluster solution...
[01:26] <ogra> but if you can provide a working solution that doesnt contain evil kernel patching ....
[01:27] <Yagisan> ogra: :( needs "evil" kernel patching
[01:27] <ogra> i suspected this ...
[01:27] <Yagisan> ogra: but then, the ubuntu kernel looks nothing like vanilla ...
[01:27] <ogra> ask in #ubuntu-kernel how likely it might be that we'll have it in any of our kernel packages
[01:28] <ogra> but we only accept patches that are announced to eventually go upstream afaik
[01:28] <ogra> it might not be vanilla now :)
[01:29] <Yagisan> ogra: oh, then this will never get accepted. linus and openmosix project lead want to keep them separate
[01:33] <Yagisan> oh my god, my 21 month old daughter has worked out how to open the 3 locks on the door to my office
[01:34] <Yagisan> my pc's won't be safe now
[01:49] <juliux> re
[02:01] <highvoltage> i wish i had more time to play with ubuntu ltsp.
[02:01] <jsgotangco> same here
[02:01] <highvoltage> ogra: if you put SCREEN_01=shell with ultsp, do you get a local shell on the terminal like with ltsp.org?
[02:02] <ogra> i think it was 07, but yes ... look in the mailing list, mdz once posted someting about it
[02:19] <lucasvo> hi
[02:28] <juliux> hi lucasvo 
[02:44] <highvoltage> ogra: that wiki page said that SWAP_SERVER is implemented but not tested, does that use NBD or NFS?
[02:45] <ogra> highvoltage, there is no nfs swap in kernel 2.6
[02:46] <ogra> so it needs to be NBD :)
[02:48] <highvoltage> aaaah
[02:48] <highvoltage> that explains why ltsp.org still uses 2.4 kernels.
[02:49] <Yagisan> highvoltage: what work are you doing with ltsp ?
[02:50] <ogra> Yagisan, he's Mr. tuXlabs
[02:51] <Yagisan> I see. so will we be seeing some ltsp improvements ?
[02:52] <ogra> highvoltage, ltsp.org uses 2.6 as well in the 4.2 branch
[03:01] <highvoltage> interesting. i think i'll stick with the ubuntu ltsp from now on though ;)
[03:01] <highvoltage> except for the ltsp 4.1 that we'll use until we install dapper in all the schools.
[03:02] <highvoltage> the cool thing is, that gives me a good excuse to work on edubuntu docs in work time :)
[03:02] <highvoltage> but now i need to go home.
[03:03] <highvoltage> bye ogra and Yagisan.
[03:03] <ogra> ciao highvoltage 
[03:31] <ogra> Yagisan, oh, btw, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ltsp/multiarch/
[03:31] <ogra> lets see if mdz accepts it now...
[03:41] <Yagisan> thanks ogra - I was having a very late dinner
[03:42] <Yagisan> G'day mhz
[03:43] <mhz> hey
[03:43] <mhz> how's your in-laws?
[03:43] <Yagisan> mhz: My mother in-law has been diagnosed with cancer :(
[03:43] <mhz> ooops :(
[03:44] <mhz> i'm truly sorry
[03:44] <neurogeek> Yagisan, sorry to hear that
[03:44] <Yagisan> thanks mhz, neurogeek
[03:44] <mhz> how bad?
[03:45] <Yagisan> she got the news 2 days before my son was born, and didn't tell us until my wife was out of the hospital
[03:45] <Yagisan> mhz: I don't know. She has an operation in December
[03:46] <Yagisan> mhz: I'm making 1000 paper cranes for her and I hope to post them as soon as possible
[03:46] <mhz> hmm, I have no clue what to say or do to help
[03:47] <Yagisan> mhz: Japanese think that if you make 1000 paper cranes, you can be granted a wish
[03:48] <Yagisan> mhz, can't even fly there to be with here, because of the newborn baby
[03:48] <Yagisan> s/here/her
[03:49] <SatanGolga> hmm, what the difference between ubuntu and edubuntu, i think they look pretty similar?
[03:50] <ogra> edubuntu is built around LTSP
[03:50] <Yagisan> SatanGolga: (k)(x)(ed)ubuntu are the same system, but with different default configurations
[03:50] <ogra> it adds most of kdeedu and tux4kids to the desktop
[03:50] <ogra> and has different artwork
[03:50] <SatanGolga> aha, ok
[03:51] <SatanGolga> i use ubuntu atm
[03:51] <Yagisan> SatanGolga: It's more targeted at an educational setting, but if you have kids, it's also good for home
[03:52] <SatanGolga> heh, ok
[03:53] <SatanGolga> btw, congrats to the baby :)
[03:53] <Yagisan> SatanGolga, thanks :)
[04:50] <Yagisan> night all
[04:57] <Lord_Athur> hi
[04:57] <Lord_Athur> mhz, 
[04:57] <mhz> hi Lord_Athur 
[04:57] <Lord_Athur> may I tell you something by query?
[04:58] <mhz> sure
[04:59] <Lord_Athur> mhz, can you say the name of the book about Python?
[04:59] <Lord_Athur> I'd like to buy it
[04:59] <mhz> hmmm, let me look
[05:00] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:00] <Lord_Athur> hey
[05:00] <mhz> buy it? not download it?
[05:00] <Lord_Athur> download :p
[05:00] <Lord_Athur> hey you have not answer the query yet
[05:00] <Lord_Athur> ...
[05:00] <ogra> its even packaged and installed by default  ;) diveintopython is the name
[05:01] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:01] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[05:02] <Lord_Athur> mhz, contesta el privado
[05:02] <Lord_Athur> :P
[05:02] <mhz> Lord_Athur: How to Think like a Computer Scientist, Learning with Python
[05:03] <mhz> Lord_Athur: no tengo pregunta tuya a mi url?
[05:03] <Lord_Athur> en tu wiki
[05:03] <mhz> ogra: hehehe
[05:03] <Lord_Athur> mhz en tu wiki?
[05:04] <mhz> Lord_Athur: www.thinkpython.com
[05:05] <mhz> url donde tu pusiste tu summary
[05:05] <Lord_Athur> mhz, ok pero me refera al privado que abr por Xchat
[05:06] <Lord_Athur> que summary?
[05:06] <Lord_Athur> no cacho naa
[05:06] <Lord_Athur> xD
[05:07] <mhz> parece que no nos vemos en query
[05:07] <Lord_Athur> eso creo
[05:07] <Lord_Athur> !!
[05:08] <Lord_Athur> how  can I talk to "bash" (leo)?
[05:08] <mhz> tienes una url para tu summary?
[05:08] <Lord_Athur> la de wiki q te coment no ma
[05:08] <mhz> Lord_Athur: hehehe, ni idea. Podrias mandar un mail a arkan0x, tal vez?
[05:09] <Lord_Athur> 
[05:09] <Lord_Athur> ok
[05:09] <Lord_Athur> :)
[05:09] <Lord_Athur> estaba "buena" la cabra argentina
[05:09] <Lord_Athur> :P
[05:09] <Lord_Athur> osea saba arto de distros
[05:09] <mhz> Lord_Athur: se que arkan0x tiene contaxcto regular con bash
[05:09] <Lord_Athur> pero no entend cual es su proyecto
[05:09] <mhz> Lord_Athur: indeed
[05:09] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[05:10] <mhz> difusion de FLOSS para multimedios (Vj's and Dj's)
[05:10] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[05:10] <Lord_Athur> debe tener su pgina wiki para leerle ms
[05:11] <Lord_Athur> te la di?
[05:11] <mhz> si tiene, pero no la he buscado aun
[05:11] <mhz> creo que el colectivo se llama 'troyano'
[05:11] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[05:11] <mhz> y su url deberia incluir .ar
[05:11] <mhz> :d
[05:11] <Lord_Athur> oye
[05:11] <Lord_Athur> abre una ventana de privado para mostrarte algo porfa
[05:12] <Lord_Athur> parece q la tienes deshabilitada
[05:14] <Lord_Athur> 
[05:14] <Lord_Athur> mhz, It'd be better if we talk only in Enlgish
[05:14] <Lord_Athur> la otra vez unos gringos se enojaron
[05:14] <Lord_Athur> xD
[05:16] <Lord_Athur> jajaja
[05:17] <Lord_Athur> mhz, did you see my own wiki page?
[05:17] <mhz> Lord_Athur: ok, let's stay tuned in english here
[05:17] <mhz> yup
[05:17] <mhz> and I already gave you some comments in 'query'. Could you see them?
[05:18] <mhz> hakuna matata?
[05:18] <mhz> :)
[05:18] <hakuna> yo guys
[05:18] <mhz> hey
[05:18] <hakuna> greetz
[05:18] <mhz> welcome
[05:19] <hakuna> thx
[05:19] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I cannot see them
[05:19] <mhz> hmmm, weired
[05:19] <Lord_Athur> write the comments in my wiki page
[05:19] <Lord_Athur> :P
[05:19] <mhz> Lord_Athur: sure you have no other windows open but 'tabs' instead?
[05:20] <mhz> Lord_Athur: i'll re open a query
[05:20] <Lord_Athur> I've got in other tab connection with the CL server
[05:20] <mhz> did you get the query?
[05:20] <Lord_Athur> no
[05:21] <Lord_Athur> 
[05:21] <Lord_Athur> q lata
[05:21] <mhz> he
[05:21] <Lord_Athur> do I close the tab
[05:21] <Lord_Athur> ?
[05:21] <mhz> Lord_Athur: what irc server do you use? irc.freenode.neT?
[05:21] <mhz> yup
[05:21] <Lord_Athur> mmm
[05:21] <mhz> now?
[05:22] <Lord_Athur> In the server list the server is called "Ubuntu server"
[05:22] <mhz> uh
[05:22] <mhz> more strange
[05:22] <Lord_Athur> it is the same that I used to talk to you the last friday
[05:22] <Lord_Athur> and then we did not have any problems
[05:22] <mhz> indeed
[05:22] <mhz> well, anyways,
[05:22] <mhz> Lord_Athur hice una lista y dej el texto mas abajo por si alguien lo quiere leer
[05:22] <mhz> mhz exacto! bien hecho
[05:22] <mhz> mhz salvo.... los wikis usan CamelCase que es muy util para estandares de buscar paginas faciles de meorizar
[05:22] <mhz> mhz por ende, AlejandroLeon no sera igual a recordar alejandroleonv
[05:23] <mhz> mhz y ademas, si alguien edita una pagaina wiki y quiere qu se linkee a la tuya, escribiria blablablabls AlejandroLeon
[05:23] <mhz> mhz y asi, al guardar su pagina, se crearia el autolink a la tuya :D
[05:23] <ogra> i dont care about pasted content ~5 lines if i can read it :p
[05:23] <Lord_Athur> I will see this details now
[05:24] <Lord_Athur> do I change the wiki page name?
[05:24] <mhz> ogra: thx for your always good understanding ;)
[05:24] <mhz> Lord_Athur: you could 'rename it' with 'MoreActions'
[05:24] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[05:25] <Lord_Athur> can I write its name with capital letter?
[05:25] <Lord_Athur> the A & L
[05:25] <mhz> my suggestion is: AlejandroLeon
[05:26] <mhz> that is what we call CamelCase
[05:26] <Lord_Athur> I've just downloaded the PDF version of the book
[05:26] <mhz> o LetraCamello
[05:26] <Lord_Athur> ni idea
[05:27] <mhz> ogra: I'd be happy to help with HowToThinkLikeAComputerScientist, Learning with Python from Ubuntu :D
[05:27] <mhz> ogra: i will create the StudyPackages Group in LP. Do i need to be 'listed in memeber list'?
[05:28] <ogra> nope, you only need a LP account afaik
[05:28] <mhz> cool
[05:28] <Lord_Athur> mhz,  look the new name of the wiki page
[05:29] <mhz> Lord_Athur: cool
[05:29] <Lord_Athur> >:P
[05:29] <Lord_Athur> hey
[05:29] <mhz> thx for the effort
[05:29] <Lord_Athur> mhz, my mail account is alejandroleonvega@gmail.com 
[05:29] <Lord_Athur> si se van a juntar como comunidad
[05:29] <mhz> okis
[05:29] <Lord_Athur> me avisas
[05:29] <Lord_Athur> :P
[05:30] <mhz> por supuesto
[05:30] <Lord_Athur> I've to put the room in order
[05:30] <Lord_Athur> bye everyone
[05:30] <mhz> de hecho, te estare ingresando como mimebro de la ML en castellano, once jdub can create it
[05:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: c ya later
[05:31] <Lord_Athur> 
[05:31] <Lord_Athur> puedes decir en espaol las ltimas 2 lineas?
[05:31] <Lord_Athur> no cache nada
[05:31] <Lord_Athur> xD
[05:31] <mhz> ML = mailing list
[05:31] <Lord_Athur> jajja
[05:32] <Lord_Athur> jejeje ok
[05:32] <Lord_Athur> chau
[06:19] <Lord_Athur> hi everyone
[06:19] <Lord_Athur> I've got a problem
[06:20] <Lord_Athur> i deleted any files and folders
[06:20] <Lord_Athur> abut I cannot delete this from the Trash
[06:22] <Lord_Athur> 
[06:22] <Lord_Athur> is there anybody?
[06:24] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: me
[06:24] <mhz_lunch> can you rephrase your prob?
[06:25] <Lord_Athur> I downloaded any source of firefox and gaim
[06:25] <Lord_Athur> when I deleted these files and folders
[06:26] <Lord_Athur> there were not any problems but
[06:26] <Lord_Athur> when I tried of delete this from the trash 
[06:26] <Lord_Athur> I could not
[06:26] <Lord_Athur> do you understand???
[06:26] <Lord_Athur> :P
[06:27] <mhz_lunch> ogra: I emailed mako last week about my name not being listed in LP. To me the only big deal here (is not big at all, yet important) is that I included a link to that URL in an article laready sent to a magazine. If i'm not there, then I become a lier :D  Could you ping him somewhere else?
[06:27] <ogra> only on -devel as you did already ....
[06:27] <ogra> he'll anwer as soon as he's around ...
[06:28] <ogra> at least he normaly does
[06:28] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: yup, I understand
[06:28] <mhz_lunch> ogra: okis
[06:28] <Lord_Athur> q hago tonces?
[06:28] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: via command line? podrias?
[06:28] <Lord_Athur> nop
[06:28] <Lord_Athur> osea (esto lo dir en espaol)
[06:29] <Lord_Athur> descargu el cdigo de gaim y firefox, pero no lo pude borrar
[06:29] <Lord_Athur> lo borr con un cdigo (Como root)
[06:29] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: pero podrias hacer $ cd .Trash/
[06:30] <mhz_lunch> y hacer rm -rf en * en ese dir?
[06:30] <Lord_Athur> pero ahora los archivos en la papelera no pueden ser borrados
[06:30] <Lord_Athur> ok
[06:30] <Lord_Athur> es ese el comando???
[06:31] <Lord_Athur> me dice que no es un directorio
[06:31] <Lord_Athur> calmao
[06:32] <Lord_Athur> nop
[06:32] <Lord_Athur> alejandro@N:~$ cd .trash/
[06:32] <Lord_Athur> bash: cd: .trash/: No existe el fichero o el directorio
[06:32] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: $ ls -la .Trash
[06:32] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: .Trash no .trash
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> alejandro@N:~$ cd .Trash/
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> alejandro@N:~/.Trash$ dir
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> a                                firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu20.dsc  gaim_1.5.0-1ubuntu3.dsc          Projects
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> Artista\ desconocido             firefox_1.0.7.orig.tar.gz    gaim-1.5.0.orig                  SPE\ 0.7.5.calejandro
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> carpeta\ sin\ ttulo             gaim-1.5.0                   gaim_1.5.0.orig.tar.gz           usr
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> config.log                       gaim_1.5.0-1ubuntu3.diff     gaim-devel-1.5.0-0.fc2.i386.rpm  workspace
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu20.diff.gz  gaim_1.5.0-1ubuntu3.diff.gz  libgaim-remote.so
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> alejandro@N:~/.Trash$
[06:33] <Lord_Athur> me aparecieron de distiontos colores
[06:33] <mhz_lunch> sip, algunos directorios y otros archivos
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> sip
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> Cmo los borro?
[06:34] <mhz_lunch> ahora, simplemente con un $ rm -rf lo_que_desees
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> pero
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> pongo el directotio Trash completo o en el cada archivo?
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> dame un ejemplo
[06:34] <Lord_Athur> :P
[06:35] <mhz_lunch> okis..
[06:35] <mhz_lunch> rm -rf firefox_1.0.7-0ubuntu20.dsc
[06:36] <mhz_lunch> Lord_Athur: despues de escribir rm -rf fire
[06:36] <mhz_lunch> puedes presionar TAB TAB y te autocompletara cn opciones
[06:40] <Lord_Athur> mhz_school, 
[06:40] <Lord_Athur> no puedo borrarlos todos
[06:40] <mhz_school> Lord_Athur: $ ls -la *
[06:40] <Lord_Athur> a?
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> root@N:~/.Trash# ls -la
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> total 6340
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> drwx------   2 alejandro alejandro    4096 2005-11-28 14:39 .
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> drwxr-xr-x  39 alejandro alejandro    4096 2005-11-28 14:15 ..
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> -rw-r--r--   1 alejandro alejandro  187558 2005-11-27 14:59 gaim_1.5.0-1ubuntu3.diff
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> -rw-r--r--   1 root      root        35182 2005-09-29 05:55 gaim_1.5.0-1ubuntu3.diff.gz
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> -rw-r--r--   1 root      root          988 2005-09-29 05:55 gaim_1.5.0-1ubuntu3.dsc
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> -rw-r--r--   1 root      root      6117488 2005-08-24 08:50 gaim_1.5.0.orig.tar.gz
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> -rw-r--r--   1 alejandro alejandro  113765 2005-11-27 14:42 gaim-devel-1.5.0-0.fc2.i386.rpm
[06:41] <Lord_Athur> pero ya estoy como root
[06:42] <Lord_Athur> estan siendo usados?????
[06:43] <Lord_Athur> kill?
[06:43] <Lord_Athur> que hago mhz_school ?
[06:46] <Lord_Athur> Is there other Spanish user here?
[06:52] <Lord_Athur> mhz_school, 
[06:57] <Lord_Athur> 
[07:08] <mhz_school> re
[07:13] <mhz> ogra: COOL! you were ahead! http://umeet.uninet.edu/
[07:14] <mhz> ogra: COOL! you were ahead! http://umeet.uninet.edu/
[07:14] <ogra> whoops
[07:14] <ogra> klicked wrongly :)
[07:14] <ogra> oh, i'm already listed ? 
[07:15] <mhz> yup
[07:17] <ogra> JaneW, seen http://umeet.uninet.edu/umeet2005/english/prog.html ?
[07:19] <mhz> ogra: I am appliying for a talk, too.
[07:19] <ogra> great
[07:19] <mhz> ogra: can I know what you would do yours about?
[07:19] <mhz> so i d not repeat stuff
[07:20] <ogra> edubuntu
[07:20] <mhz> LOL
[07:23] <mhz> ogra: i already read that part. your talk: "about edubuntu"  Do you have something I ckeck so i do not repeat stuff. Mine also covers some aspects of edubuntu, indeed. But is oriented to social areas more than ITC
[07:23] <mhz> ict
[07:23] <ogra> i have no talk yet, but i agreed to talk about all aspects of edubuntu 
[07:24] <ogra> i'll write a german talk before the weekend (i speak at linuxtag in essen on saturday evening), i was planning to just translate that one ...
[07:25] <mhz> oh, ok, thx
[07:25] <ogra> i'll make it public once its there ...
[07:26] <Belutz> talking about talk
[07:26] <Belutz> i'm going to give a talk about edubuntu
[07:26] <Belutz> but i'm still confuse what should i present
[07:26] <^eniac^> hi all!
[07:26] <mhz> Belutz: what's on your mind?
[07:27] <Belutz> mhz, the goodness of edubuntu for education for the young human beings
[07:27] <mhz> so what's your doubt?
[07:28] <Belutz> mhz, it's my first time to give a talk
[07:28] <Belutz> mhz, and it's a debian conference
[07:28] <ogra> make a introduction about ubuntu, what it means etc... and then point out the differences that make edubuntu ...
[07:29] <Belutz> ogra, there will be 2 sessions, first about ubuntu and second is edubuntu
[07:29] <ogra> and dont forget to mention that its debian derived ;)
[07:29] <Belutz> ogra, of course :)
[07:29] <ogra> so drop the first part :)
[07:29] <Belutz> ogra, can't drop the first part
[07:30] <ogra> from the edubuntu talk i mean
[07:30] <Belutz> oh i see 
[07:30] <Belutz> ogra, what's the benefits of edubuntu compare to skolelinux?
[07:30] <ogra> none ... 
[07:30] <ogra> rather compare to k12ltsp
[07:31] <Belutz> the question and answer sessions scares me :(
[07:31] <mhz> Belutz: when will this be?
[07:31] <ogra> skolelinux targets the enterprise/municipality ...
[07:31] <Belutz> mhz, desember 3rd, in University of Indonesia. RMS will be the guest speaker via teleconference
[07:31] <Belutz> ogra, i see
[07:31] <ogra> we only provide an option for k12ltsp users yet ... it will take some time until we can provide something to skole users
[07:32] <mhz> Belutz: then please do mention Gnu/Linux :D
[07:32] <ogra> at least 1-3 releases
[07:32] <Belutz> mhz, of course :D
[07:32] <ogra> please dont 
[07:32] <mhz> ?
[07:32] <Belutz> why?
[07:32] <ogra> not at a debian conference ...
[07:32] <Belutz> hmm, ok
[07:32] <ogra> because you will be dragged into political discussions if you start this
[07:33] <ogra> be careful with the political stuff ...
[07:33] <ogra> we are not bound to gnu with edubuntu ...
[07:33] <ogra> there could also be a edubuntu with bds or solaris kernel
[07:33] <ogra> *bsd
[07:33] <Belutz> ogra, why edubuntu use gnome instead of kde?
[07:34] <Belutz> *by default
[07:34] <Belutz> or there will be kedubuntu? :p
[07:34] <ogra> because i'm all alone with development and can make use of the strength of the ubuntu team for gnome
[07:34] <ogra> nope, kedubuntu isnt planned ... that would have to be a community driven project
[07:34] <Belutz> ogra, i see, so that's ok to give them a reason like that?
[07:35] <ogra> +abut its trivial to install kubuntu-desktop on edubuntu
[07:35] <ogra> s/+abut/but
[07:35] <ogra> additionally i dont have any clue about KDE :)
[07:35] <mhz> hehehe
[07:35] <Belutz> hehehe
[07:36] <mhz> if RMS is there... sure you'll get some political discussion :)
[07:36] <ogra> and kubuntu is also mainly developed by only one person... so i couldnt grab ressources there
[07:36] <Belutz> mhz, i will try to avoid it
[07:36] <mhz> wise
[07:39] <Belutz> i'll ask a lot more to you later ogra :)
[07:40] <ogra> thats fine ... will repare me for my talks ;)
[07:40] <ogra> *prepare
[07:40] <Belutz> :)
[07:43] <mhz> Belutz: and if you can wiki your talk, educooler
[07:44] <Belutz> mhz, i will, i'll upload the slides
[07:44] <mhz> thx
[07:44] <Belutz> :)
[07:59] <mhz> ogra: juliux: not traced text for SVG files uploaded
[07:59] <mhz> juliux: those are CD versions
[07:59] <mhz> for x86
[07:59] <ogra> nice
[07:59] <mhz> ogra: we kept x86 version based on what you think
[07:59] <ogra> fine ...
[08:00] <ogra> i'm not strictly against changing it, but if you change any texts, please discuss it on the mailing list first ...
[08:00] <mhz> juliux: as soon as I can finish edubuntu invitations (for school talk/demo), I'll work on the diff AMD and PPC, plus one DVD version
[08:01] <mhz> ogra: i know. but so far, we needed to kill that 'to do' and as those texts are now 100% editable... anyonce can do it :)
[08:01] <ogra> ok
[08:11] <Lord_Athur> hi
[08:15] <juliux> mhz, thanks a lot
[08:15] <mhz> yw, juliux 
[08:15] <mhz> Lord_Athur: regrese
[08:15] <juliux> at first hi mhz 
[08:15] <mhz> Lord_Athur: sorry I had to leave
[08:16] <mhz> juliux: yup, hi, :D
[08:16] <Lord_Athur> mhz, 
[08:16] <Lord_Athur> do not worry
[08:16] <Lord_Athur> I delete everything in the trash
[08:16] <Lord_Athur> :P
[08:16] <mhz> Lord_Athur: some of your files were not possible to be deleted by you
[08:17] <mhz> because they were root's
[08:17] <mhz> to rm -rf root permision files, you need to do:
[08:17] <mhz> a) sudo rm -rf the_files
[08:17] <Lord_Athur> or enter as root
[08:17] <Lord_Athur> :p
[08:17] <Lord_Athur> thanks mhz 
[08:17] <mhz> yup
[08:17] <mhz> ok
[08:17] <mhz> you knew that?
[08:17] <Lord_Athur> + o -
[08:18] <mhz> ahh?
[08:18] <mhz> ok
[08:18] <Lord_Athur> mas o menos
[08:18] <Lord_Athur> xD
[08:19] <Lord_Athur> mhz, 
[08:19] <Lord_Athur> I've put in the wiki page the things that I think, and maybe someone will read it, but
[08:19] <Lord_Athur> How can I express my "opini"?
[08:20] <Lord_Athur> digo opinin
[08:20] <Lord_Athur> :p
[08:20] <mhz> en que sentido?
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> osea
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> yo quiero aportar ideas
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> decir cosas
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> y todo
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> mientras aprendo a programar
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> Cmo lo hago=?
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> como me meto a la comunidad
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> ?
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> Qu tengo q  hacer para llegar a decidir cosas?
[08:21] <mhz> ejemplo, por fa.
[08:21] <Lord_Athur> etc
[08:22] <Lord_Athur> mira
[08:22] <Lord_Athur> tengo un PC como el pik..
[08:22] <Lord_Athur> y con GNOMe no me funciona bn
[08:22] <Lord_Athur> me gasta mucho recurso
[08:22] <Lord_Athur> y creo q todos los estudiantes deben tener (si tienen PCs) "no buenos"
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> y por ende Edubuntu no sirve
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> osea
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> no me sirve
[08:23] <mhz> ah, para eso estan las listas
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> Cmo le digo a alguien que cambien algunos programas como OPENOFFICE.org por otros?
[08:23] <mhz> Lord_Athur: talk to ogra
[08:23] <mhz> in IRC
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> o que usen Xfce (es super choro)
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> oki
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> but
[08:23] <Lord_Athur> who is ogra?
[08:24] <mhz> what I do is I do not install edubuntu (all)
[08:24] <mhz> I install 'server', then I apt-get install edubuntu-server
[08:25] <Lord_Athur> ok
[08:25] <Lord_Athur> but who is ogra?
[08:25] <ogra> ?
[08:25] <Lord_Athur> is he spanish?
[08:25] <ogra> nope
[08:25] <Lord_Athur> is part of the edubuntu comunity?
[08:25] <Lord_Athur> or
[08:25] <Lord_Athur> only a developer?
[08:26] <ogra> only a developer
[08:26] <ogra> *g*
[08:26] <Lord_Athur> *g*??
[08:26] <ogra> *grin*
[08:26] <Lord_Athur> a qued clarito
[08:26] <Lord_Athur> xD
[08:26] <Lord_Athur> ok ogra 
[08:26] <ogra> i built edubuntu ....
[08:26] <mhz> Lord_Athur: ogra is Mr.Edubuntu
[08:26] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[08:27] <Lord_Athur> bakn
[08:27] <Lord_Athur> :P
[08:28] <Lord_Athur> then ogra how can I give to the edubuntu team the thing that I think?
[08:28] <Lord_Athur> mhz, 
[08:28] <Lord_Athur> el wn no me va a enternder
[08:28] <Lord_Athur> digo entender
[08:28] <mhz> Lord_Athur: he will
[08:28] <Belutz> ogra, do you have the .odp file of the edubuntu_talk.pdf you gave me before?
[08:28] <ogra> nope
[08:28] <Lord_Athur> xD
[08:28] <ogra> Belutz, sadly my openoffice is totally broken ... 
[08:28] <Belutz> ogra, ok :)
[08:29] <mhz> Lord_Athur: this channel is to discuss how we want edubuntu to be
[08:29] <ogra> he only thing i could save was the pfd between two breakages
[08:29] <Lord_Athur> ok
[08:29] <mhz> Lord_Athur: so whatever your ideas are, give them here
[08:29] <Lord_Athur> ok
[08:29] <Belutz> wow it's 2.30 am
[08:29] <ogra> or on the edubuntu mailing list
[08:29] <mhz> Lord_Athur: or to the ML
[08:29] <Lord_Athur> what is it?
[08:29] <ogra> it has a wider audience 
[08:30] <Lord_Athur> give me the web page to add my mail to the mailing list
[08:30] <ogra> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel
[08:30] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[08:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: subscribe toedubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: subscribe to edubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:30] <Lord_Athur> from...?
[08:30] <mhz> Lord_Athur: from?
[08:30] <ogra> just use the webpage 
[08:31] <Lord_Athur> ok ogra 
[08:32] <mhz> Lord_Athur: however, even when I understand your conerns about GNOME for Chilean educational  PCs, it is GNOME because ogra  is the one working on building this.
[08:32] <ogra> not really
[08:32] <ogra> we had a summit where gnome was decided ...
[08:32] <Lord_Athur> who decided it?
[08:32] <mhz> maybe if he could have more help from devel guys (probably you) we would have more options
[08:33] <ogra> the ~30 people at the summit
[08:33] <Lord_Athur> who can they decide?
[08:33] <mhz> ogra: I know about the summit. I almost cut a leg to be there :D
[08:33] <ogra> we had a lot teachers and school admins as well as people from other edu distros there
[08:33] <Lord_Athur> ok
[08:33] <Lord_Athur> what may I do for to be a member?
[08:33] <ogra> we'll have another one for dapper+1 
[08:34] <mhz> Lord_Athur: as I know we have a very Latinamerican diff, we could work on a community project to develop a light edubuntu
[08:34] <Lord_Athur> mhz, q es dapper+1?
[08:34] <Lord_Athur> yes
[08:34] <Lord_Athur> mhz, I think I'd be the best
[08:34] <ogra> since this release wont change much (we have to support it for 5 years, so only polishing is allowed) we didnt think it would make sense to have another one for dapper
[08:34] <mhz> Lord_Athur: however, lighter desktop is not difficult if you just do not install GNOME and choose windowmaker or other desktop
[08:35] <mhz> Lord_Athur: you 'are a member' when you participate
[08:35] <mhz> in IRC and ML
[08:35] <Lord_Athur> to build or own distro for education (one for latinamerican education) is a good idea
[08:35] <Lord_Athur> ok
[08:35] <mhz> yup, but not a good idea to disperse efforts
[08:36] <mhz> so, I propose to you we help here,
[08:36] <Lord_Athur> for that I want to give ideas for edubuntu
[08:36] <mhz> we motivate more people needing lighter desktop integration with edubuntu
[08:37] <mhz> and we help ogra integrate our contribution to his
[08:37] <Lord_Athur> ogra, how much time does the ML page need to send a mail to the mail?
[08:37] <Lord_Athur> I've registered my mail
[08:37] <mhz> Lord_Athur: just few seconds
[08:37] <mhz> maybe q minute
[08:37] <ogra> it sends a confirmation mail to you immediately
[08:37] <Lord_Athur> but I have not recived anything
[08:37] <mhz> you will
[08:37] <Lord_Athur> ok
[08:37] <mhz> Lord_Athur: which @mail?
[08:38] <Lord_Athur> gmail
[08:38] <mhz> gmail i guess?
[08:38] <Lord_Athur> guess?
[08:38] <mhz> not the egyptian thing?
[08:38] <Lord_Athur> q es eso en espaol?
[08:38] <mhz> usaste gmail, creo?
[08:38] <Lord_Athur> si
[08:38] <Lord_Athur> pero
[08:38] <Lord_Athur> no me llega la confirmacin
[08:38] <mhz> hmmm
[08:39] <mhz> Lord_Athur: I am trying to reach jdub, a guy who could provide us with a ML in spanish
[08:39] <Lord_Athur> maybe
[08:39] <Lord_Athur> gmail saved it in other folder
[08:39] <mhz> so far, I have not contacted him successfully
[08:39] <Lord_Athur> ok
[08:39] <Lord_Athur> I'd be better
[08:39] <mhz> sip!
[08:39] <ogra> mhz, he has no online connection yet, he just moved house
[08:40] <ogra> try to mail him
[08:40] <mhz> I know many teachrs and students I have talked about edubuntu do not want to collaborate because they are afraid of english
[08:40] <mhz> ogra: duh!
[08:40] <mhz> yes, I remember
[08:40] <mhz> now
[08:40] <mhz> you mentioned that to me last week
[08:40] <Lord_Athur> afraid?
[08:40] <Lord_Athur> q es eso?
[08:41] <mhz> Lord_Athur: afraid= temerosos
[08:41] <Lord_Athur> ok
[08:41] <Lord_Athur> yo soy afraid para el ingls
[08:41] <Lord_Athur> pq soy malo en eso
[08:41] <Lord_Athur> saq 5.4
[08:41] <Lord_Athur> xD
[08:41] <Lord_Athur> final anual
[08:41] <Lord_Athur> :S
[08:41] <mhz> ogra: sorry to forget stuff
[08:42] <ogra> dont worry, happens to everybody ;)
[08:42] <mhz> Lord_Athur: your english is not bad
[08:42] <Lord_Athur> 
[08:42] <ogra> absolutely not
[08:42] <Lord_Athur> my theacher does not think so
[08:42] <Lord_Athur> well
[08:42] <mhz> Lord_Athur: the most important thing is you're making an effort
[08:42] <Lord_Athur> yes
[08:42] <ogra> its good enough that i can understand it as a german ...
[08:42] <Lord_Athur> :P
[08:43] <mhz> teachers tend to evaluate other stuff over the real effort to 'communicate'. I can speak english or any language with "hands" and "drawings".
[08:43] <mhz> that needs to be evaluated as well
[08:44] <mhz> Lord_Athur: plus, you are still in school, so wait a couple of months helping here and you'll feel your english is much better
[08:44] <Lord_Athur> yes
[08:44] <Lord_Athur> :P
[08:44] <Lord_Athur> and I love her
[08:45] <Lord_Athur> I did not need to say that
[08:45] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[08:45] <Lord_Athur> ogra, 
[08:45] <mhz> if not, ask juliux (he's german too) and he used to complain his english sucked (i didnt think so). Now his english seems to be lot betta, right ogra?
[08:45] <ogra> yup
[08:45] <mhz> :D
[08:45] <ogra> noticeable
[08:45] <juliux> mhz, now you can understand what i mean
[08:45] <mhz> LOL
[08:45] <lucasvo> this keyboardlayout is crap, it doesn't work :(
[08:45] <Lord_Athur> I haven't recived my notification of the ML yet!
[08:46] <mhz> juliux: not really! but your grammar is excellent! :D
[08:46] <juliux> mhz, what should i say now?
[08:46] <mhz> that you are happy to be here trying to understand Chilean sense of humour!
[08:46] <ogra> Lord_Athur, i havent seen your subscription notification either yet ... (i get a copy if people subscribe)
[08:47] <mhz> ooops
[08:47] <Lord_Athur> ogra, what does this mean?
[08:47] <ogra> just wait a moment... probably the listservers are just busy
[08:47] <mhz> juliux: i hope you have sense of humour. One of the german guys I used to IRC a lot was xorAxAx (#moin channel). his houmour was excellent!
[08:47] <Lord_Athur> maybe
[08:47] <Lord_Athur> :S
[08:48] <Lord_Athur> I've to go
[08:48] <juliux> mhz, sure i understand it
[08:48] <Lord_Athur> :S
[08:48] <Lord_Athur> bye
[08:48] <mhz> Lord_Athur: c ya
[08:48] <ogra> bye
[08:48] <mhz> juliux: cool
[08:48] <Lord_Athur> :)
[08:48] <juliux> mhz, atm i have do some work here
[08:49] <mhz> okis
[08:49] <mhz> np
[08:49] <juliux> mhz, so i cann't chat very much
[08:50] <mhz> i see
[08:50] <mhz> actually, I shouldn't be chatting either but i am too irresponsible
[08:55] <mhz_design> ogra: should we encourage people not to design thise or we are ok. http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21314645/    http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/18687643/   http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21548673/   http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/21808983/
[08:56] <ogra> i'm not sure if half naked girls are really what we want :)
[08:56] <mhz_design> i mean, from our Coduct of Conduct, we should try to help others not to.
[08:56] <mhz_design> :)
[08:56] <mhz_design> ogra: you mean either clothes off or dont design them?
[08:57] <ogra> thats nothing for edubuntu
[08:57] <ogra> and ubuntu already had its flamewars about naked people
[08:57] <mhz_design> ok
[08:58] <mhz_design> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/18840276/  is that germany?
[08:58] <ogra> why do you think its called CCCP then ?
[08:58] <mhz_design> duh!
[08:59] <ogra> :)
[08:59] <mhz_design> hadn't read it, just looked at it
[08:59] <mhz_design> :)
[09:11] <ajmitch_> morning
[09:16] <mhz_design> Belutz: check this for your talk http://www.deviantart.com/view/18841400/
[09:16] <mhz_design> ajmitch_: morning
[09:17] <Belutz> mhz_design, thanks :)
[09:17] <mhz_design> you should have accpetance by debian people when they see that
[09:25] <^eniac^> hi all!
[09:27] <^eniac^> Spacey, can i use the "apt-get source" command for "deb" packets?
[09:30] <^eniac^> eniac@eniac-linux:~> apt-get source /windows/D/eniac/projects/edubg/alevt/alevt                        1.6.1+kanotix3.diff.gz
[09:30] <^eniac^> Reading Package Lists... Done
[09:30] <^eniac^> Building Dependency Tree... Done
[09:30] <^eniac^> E: You must put some 'source' URIs in your sources.list
[09:30] <^eniac^> why?
[09:31] <^eniac^> the same error is for the deb packets...
[09:32] <mhz_design> ogra: I am starting a mail to jdub about ML
[09:32] <ogra> ok
[09:32] <mhz_design> ogra: I am bit lost..
[09:32] <ogra> why ? just request a list ...
[09:33] <mhz_design> ogra: should I request for a edubuntu-cl or edubuntu-la or edubuntu-es?
[09:33] <ogra> jdub is a nice guy, dont be worried
[09:33] <mhz_design> or we could have all linked together?
[09:33] <ogra> i think either -es or -cl
[09:33] <ogra> i think -es makes most sense, it covers all spanish speaking people
[09:33] <mhz_design> yup
[09:33] <mhz_design> so, es will be.
[09:34] <ogra> ^eniac^, you need to tell apt where the source packages are ... a deb is not a source package, its a binary 
[09:35] <^eniac^> oooooooooooo
[09:35] <^eniac^> :-)
[09:35] <ogra> a source package is made of 3 parts ...
[09:35] <ogra> a .dsc file, a diff.gz file and a orig.tar.gz file
[09:35] <^eniac^> I am LAMER with mostly L!
[09:36] <ogra> the orig.tar.gz file contains the source as you would download it from for example sourceforge ...
[09:36] <^eniac^> ok
[09:36] <ogra> the diff.gz file contains the packaging info to make a deb out of the soure
[09:36] <^eniac^> I have and other packets...
[09:37] <^eniac^> I am LAMER with mostly L!
[09:37] <ogra> and the dsc file contains the info which orig.tar.gz and dsc files belong together to build  adeb 
[09:37] <ogra> *a deb
[09:38] <ogra> look at http://packages.ubuntu.com ,search for any package, scroll down to the bottom if you are at the package page ... there you'll find these 3 files
[09:39] <ogra> ^eniac^, see the bottom of this page for example: http://packages.ubuntu.com/breezy/x11/alevt
[09:39] <^eniac^> i have other resource, but w will download also from this...
[09:39] <ogra> especially the line starting: "Source Package: alevt, Download:"
[09:39] <^eniac^> http://kanotix.com/files/debian/
[09:41] <ogra> you cant use this with apt ...
[09:41] <^eniac^> why? 
[09:41] <^eniac^> i am beginner, sorry...
[09:41] <^eniac^> I am stupid...
[09:41] <ogra> because apt works with repository, the above is not a repository
[09:42] <ogra> for apt you need to uncomment the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list
[09:43] <ogra> then just do: apt-get source alevt
[09:43] <ogra> it will download and unpack the source package for you in the current dir ...
[09:44] <ogra> then you just can do: cd alevt-1.6.1 and work on the source
[09:45] <ogra> oh, and after changing the sources.list file you need to run: sudo apt-get update, so apt knows you changed something
[09:45] <^eniac^> 10x
[09:48] <ogra> if you want to work manually with the three files i explained above (without using apt) , install the package dpkg-dev, then you can download the three files and run: dpkg-source -x alevt_1.6.1-7.dsc in the dir the files are ... it will unpack it for you and you can again do cd alevt-1.6.1
[09:49] <^eniac^> i wand to make one distro
[09:49] <^eniac^> but I am beginner...
[09:49] <ogra> a whole distro ? 
[09:50] <^eniac^> no, with graphic interface and education programs
[09:50] <^eniac^> education distribution for bulgarian stufents and schools...
[09:51] <ogra> so you just want to change the selection of software ? 
[09:52] <^eniac^> yes, and i also want to translate the software...
[09:55] <ogra> did you conside to just tweak ubuntu/edubuntu to your needs ? 
[09:58] <ogra> rosetta offers a nice interface for translators ....
[09:58] <ogra> and tweaking a ubuntu/edubuntu CD is very easy
[09:59] <mhz_design> ^eniac^: what features would that distro have?
[10:00] <ogra> ^eniac^, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo
[10:00] <^eniac^> I don't have pereferendces: ubuntu/edubuntu/debian ot knoppix
[10:03] <ogra> use this customization howto above and just submit your translations for the packages you want in your distro
[10:03] <ogra> thats way easier than learning how to make a complete distro on your own
[10:04] <ogra> ^eniac^, https://launchpad.net/rosetta
[10:04] <^eniac^> 10x for the link!
[10:05] <^eniac^> for the links
[10:05] <ogra> :)
[10:06] <mhz_design> .oO(ogra is Mr. Edubuntu 10x)
[10:06] <^eniac^> Yes
[10:07] <mhz_design> ogra: you'll need a wider biz card
[10:07] <mhz_design> or your last names will not fit
[10:07] <mhz_design> :D
[10:07] <ogra> but not even me would be able to build a whole distro on my own ... :)
[10:07] <mhz_design> .oO(ogra is Mr. Edubuntu 9x)
[10:07] <mhz_design> hehehe
[10:07] <^eniac^> ehehhe
[10:07] <ogra> *g*
[11:19] <Lord_Athur> Hi
[11:20] <Lord_Athur> ogra
[11:20] <Lord_Athur> hello
[11:22] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: i
[11:22] <Lord_Athur> hey
[11:23] <Lord_Athur> is free to get a canonical mail account?
[11:24] <Lord_Athur> I'd like to have one
[11:24] <Lord_Athur> jajjaa
[11:24] <Lord_Athur> :P
[11:24] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: me too :D
[11:24] <mhz_design> I guess/suppose you have to show contribution to ubuntu
[11:25] <mhz_design> and that means more than "willing to contribute" but "contributing in real"
[11:25] <Lord_Athur> yes
[11:25] <Lord_Athur> you are right
[11:26] <Lord_Athur> mhz_design, si me equivoco en alguna cosa de ingls, me dices porfa
[11:26] <Lord_Athur> :P
[11:26] <Lord_Athur> mhz_design, tell me
[11:27] <mhz_design> np
[11:27] <Lord_Athur> tell me your plain
[11:28] <mhz_design> plain?
[11:28] <Lord_Athur> well
[11:28] <Lord_Athur> you asked to me
[11:29] <Lord_Athur> about what I want to do
[11:29] <Lord_Athur> I've supposed you'd tell me something
[11:29] <Lord_Athur> any project to participate
[11:30] <Lord_Athur> or anything similar
[11:30] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: in a few minutes, I hope you can join EdubuntuChile team in launchpad or EdubuntuStudyContent
[11:30] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: but dont do it now because i'm having some problems
[11:31] <mhz_design> with launchpad group creation
[11:31] <Lord_Athur> ok
[11:31] <Lord_Athur> thanks
[11:32] <mhz_design> np
[11:32] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: you could start rviewing the edubuntu pages in the wiki
[11:33] <mhz_design> search for all pages starting with Edubuntu....
[11:33] <Lord_Athur> yes
[11:33] <Lord_Athur> I'm in it
[11:34] <mhz_design> basically now, EdubuntuSoftwareList (not gnome forced :D ) needs to know if you can use it spanish
[11:35] <mhz_design> ogra: I have created EdubuntuChile and EdubuntuStudyContent in LP, unsuccessfully. Sure I don't need to be approved as member?
[11:37] <Lord_Athur> mhz_design,  no entend la ltima linea que me escribistes
[11:37] <Lord_Athur> escribiste
[11:38] <ogra> mhz_design, sorry, i'm about to go to bed ... https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-chile looks ok to me
[11:38] <mhz_design> EdubuntuSoftwareList necesita 2 cosas: traduccion al castellano y verificar que funcionen en castellano
[11:38] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-study-content too
[11:38] <Lord_Athur> ok
[11:39] <mhz_design> ogra: ok, but I get errors when I am request to confirm that I am the one who wants to create them
[11:40] <Lord_Athur> what's the official page of Edubuntusofwarelist?
[11:40] <ogra> oh and for EdubuntuSoftwareList, you dont need to list khelpcenter ...
[11:40] <ogra> its ony there because the other apps dont work without it
[11:40] <mhz_design> ogra: ok
[11:41] <Lord_Athur> mhz_design, 
[11:41] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: ? por que preguntas?
[11:41] <Lord_Athur> me dijiste
[11:41] <Lord_Athur> que revisara
[11:41] <Lord_Athur> y quisiera empezar por all
[11:41] <ogra> kmessedwords was renamed recently and glife had to be dropped because of gtk1
[11:41] <mhz_design> si pero porque preguntas si es oficial?
[11:41] <ogra> so it will change a bit for dapper
[11:41] <Lord_Athur> no, me refera a la pag
[11:41] <mhz_design> ogra: good to know that
[11:42] <Lord_Athur> no, me refera a la pag osea al enlace
[11:42] <mhz_design> ahhh
[11:42] <Lord_Athur> es que ando leyendo las pag de wiki con ttulos de edubuntu
[11:42] <Lord_Athur> y estoy aqui
[11:42] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: todos los CamelloCaseCamello se refieren a que estan en el wiki
[11:43] <Lord_Athur> que es camellocasecamello?
[11:43] <mhz_design> si usas el nombre de la pagina tal cual te la doy y la pones despues de wiki.edubuntu.org/
[11:43] <mhz_design> daras con la pagina
[11:43] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: mala memoria tienes
[11:43] <mhz_design> recuerdas cuando hablamos de AlejandroLeon
[11:44] <mhz_design> en vez de alejandroleon
[11:44] <mhz_design> ?>
[11:44] <Lord_Athur> sip
[11:44] <Lord_Athur> :P
[11:44] <Lord_Athur> que distraido fui
[11:45] <mhz_design> ok, wiki, lo que usamos en edubuntu y otros sitios, usan PalabraPalabra para definir una URL
[11:45] <mhz_design> de este modo, es mucho mas facil acordarse en vez de ~56/%er%^ simbolos y numeros
[11:46] <Lord_Athur> entiendo y se todo eso, pero
[11:46] <Lord_Athur> an no entiendo que tiene q ver la palabra camellocase...
[11:46] <Lord_Athur> :P
[11:47] <mhz_design> ah, porque imaginate un camello con joroba :D
[11:47] <mhz_design> AlejandroLeon
[11:47] <mhz_design> MauricioHernandez
[11:47] <mhz_design> ArribaAbajo
[11:47] <mhz_design> MayuculaMinuscula
[11:47] <mhz_design> etc
[11:48] <Lord_Athur> jajajajaja
[11:48] <Lord_Athur> estoy leyendo los wiki de ttulo eduntu
[11:48] <Lord_Athur> :D
[11:48] <Lord_Athur> con camellos y todo
[11:48] <Lord_Athur> xD
[11:49] <Lord_Athur> estoy en la lista de software
[11:51] <Lord_Athur> pero la pag de EdubuntuChile no existe al parecer
[11:54] <mhz_design> ?
[11:54] <mhz_design> cual?
[11:54] <Lord_Athur> EdubuntuChile
[11:54] <mhz_design> cual?
[11:54] <mhz_design> url
[11:54] <ogra> note that launchpad doesnt use wiki format
[11:54] <Lord_Athur> sipo
[11:54] <Lord_Athur> camello
[11:54] <Lord_Athur> !!
[11:54] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-chile
[11:54] <Lord_Athur> ap
[11:54] <mhz_design> ogra: yup, I know
[11:54] <Lord_Athur> ok ogra 
[11:55] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: como te dije... wiki.edubuntu.org/ ahi pones los camellos :)
[11:55] <mhz_design> no en LP
[11:55] <ogra> mhz_design, and i see nothing wrong with the team, you obviously own it and will be able to change everything
[11:55] <Lord_Athur> sip
[11:56] <Lord_Athur> can I login in this page mhz_design ?
[11:56] <mhz_design> ogra: okis, i'm in #launchpad now, just in case there are some probs for people trying to join
[11:56] <mhz_design> ogra: np, I can handle it, go to bed! :D
[11:56] <ogra> night then :)
[11:56] <mhz_design> ogra: sleep with eeduangels
[11:56] <Lord_Athur> can I login in this page (https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-chile)mhz_design ?
[11:57] <mhz_design> sure, join 
[11:57] <ogra> https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-chile/+join ;)
[11:57] <mhz_design> LOL!!!
[11:57] <Lord_Athur> xD
[11:57] <mhz_design> ogra: can't help helping
[11:57] <Lord_Athur> pero no saba se lo habas habilitao po mhz_design, me dijiste q estabas en eso
[11:57] <Lord_Athur> 
[11:57] <ogra> i'm really gone now :)
[11:58] <mhz_design> np
[11:58] <mhz_design> ogra: don't go :D
[11:58] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: aun estoy en eso
[11:58] <Lord_Athur> ap ok
[11:58] <Lord_Athur> vale
[11:58] <mhz_design> Lord_Athur: no me preguntaste si estaba listo, solo si podias
[11:58] <mhz_design> :D
[11:58] <Lord_Athur> np
[11:59] <Lord_Athur> :P