=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62873.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=rockie@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:34] I'm streaming live: http://svn.atheme.org:10000/broadband.ogg [01:51] Riddell, \sh_away : you're around? [01:55] I'm writing a script that would do something of an emerge-like command on debian systems [01:55] anyone wanna try it ? ;) [01:55] raphink: stfu. [01:55] Diablo-D3: wanna try? [01:55] ;) === freeflying [n=root@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Diablo-D3 has kmail 1.9 working yay [02:49] I wonder when archive will get these debs === freeflying [i=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-214-59.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D1F0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A607E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:35] Riddell, ping === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-132-171.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@62.225.11.174] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60882.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:11] morning === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:48] hm, where's kdelibs4c2 package in dapper? === \sh_away is now known as \sh === allee [n=ach@allee.exgal.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:05] ok, no adept, no amarok... let's see if I can compile and use Kopete :p [11:07] Tm_T: it's replaced by kdelibs4c2a [11:07] hum [11:08] so some packages haven't updated yet(?) [11:08] sure [11:08] :p [11:08] it's just, my whole kde is in one big mess now =) [11:08] no kdm [11:11] maybe I start to compile kde myself ;) [11:15] Tm_T: you only need compile the kde-style-lipstik [11:16] eh === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:35] great, now electricity was cut out [11:36] I need ups [11:36] viviersf: hi [11:37] Riddell: hi [11:37] hi freeflying [11:38] Riddell: when will all kde3.5 package in dapper [11:42] let's see if I cancompile amarok [11:42] I can, without arts engine \o/ [11:45] freeflying: soon [11:45] Tm_T: why withour arts? [11:45] Riddell: pong! [11:46] Riddell: looks like I can't install some arts related dev packages [11:47] so configure leaves arts support [11:47] Tm_T: what can't you install? [11:48] dunno, my kde is now quite mess, I'm trying to collect stuff back together [11:48] I tell as soon as I know more [11:49] E: Build-dependencies for amarok could not be satisfied. [11:49] when doing apt-get build-dep amarok === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:52] ok, I can compile workin amarok [11:52] <3 [11:54] checking arts/artsmodules.h presence... no === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:54] humm [11:54] what package provides that one? [11:56] apt-file returns none === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A64396.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:45] have to install nvidia drivers -> === author-psi [n=marcel@p50904756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:11] <\sh> Riddell: why is the layout and style of 3.5rc2 in dapper different then in breezy? [01:12] \sh: no kde-style-lipstik yet [01:12] and no kubuntu-default-settings [01:31] <\sh> Riddell: no...even the panel is different... [01:32] \sh: panel layout is governed kubuntu-default-settings (which won't install because no kde-style-lipstik) [01:33] <\sh> k [01:33] <\sh> bbl meeting [01:42] Riddell: many package need recompile accord to kdelibs4c2a === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:43] freeflying: yes, they're waiting on cdbs being fixed. also akode has got lost in the archives and kdepim is stuck in NEW for review === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/lathiat] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:53] tvo: I think this one is for you http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20176 [01:56] Riddell: yup, it's one of the bugs I already heard about in #kubuntu-nl. That's why I want to make a separate google suggest searchbar for dapper [01:56] so users can optionally disable the gs bar and (re)enable the normal searchbar [01:57] should thye be separate? wouldn't just an option to turn off be better? [01:59] well, another option would be to make a bar including features of the "normal" searchbar _and_ gs features [02:00] but I want to get rid of the patch which keeps breaking, so even if it will be 1 multifunctional searchbar, I'd rather fork the old one [02:00] eventually we should get this into KDE trunk [02:01] yep, that's another reason to clean it up a bit.. [02:03] anyway, I think I'll rewrite the thing for dapper asap [02:04] whee [02:04] dapper is a mess now :p [02:04] do my best to get things working here -> [02:04] heh [02:06] hmm, let's see if I can compile kdepim [02:09] atleast KDE upgrades messed some of my options [02:09] kde related options and settings [02:11] uff, and no kmix :o [02:13] I'm on breezy now, last time I tried to upgrade my dapper install debsig segfaulted [02:13] also I'm too lazy to add it to my grub menu.lst, so I can only chroot into it [02:13] =) [02:13] I have only this dapper [02:13] soo... [02:14] hmm, yeah.. === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:16] and now amarok doesn't work =) [02:20] Tm_T: see Riddell's message as above [02:24] ehm === \sh is now known as \sh_away === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A62A1B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:53] let's see if recompile&&install fixes amarok [02:54] nah [02:54] segmentation fault immediately [02:55] full recompile then [02:56] Tm_T: can you compile amarok now? [02:59] yes I can, with xine and gst engines [03:00] but amarokapp executable segfaults === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] yup [03:04] nope, can't get it running [03:04] and can't install juk [03:05] hum hum hum, what I'll use to play music... === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:08] Tm_T: ogg123 working great for me [03:08] Riddell: heh, I use mp3blaster :) [03:08] maybe I'm just too used with amaroK and easyness of it [03:09] I used to do ~10 albums queue [03:10] now I know why people doesn't usually use "bleeding edge" =) [03:14] Tm_T: me too , now skim on my desktop can not run [03:15] heh [03:16] if I even try to do anything screensaver related -> kdesktop crashes [03:16] Riddell: what's the difference between kdelibs4c2 and kdelibs4c2a [03:19] freeflying: libstdc++ got rebuilt with a new option which means some libraries have a new ABI and are no longer compatible so had to be renamed, kdelibs4c2a is the new one [03:19] we now need to rebuild all the packages that depend on kdelibs to be built against kdelibs4c2a [03:20] hmh, my "extra" hd isn't here [03:20] I thought to set up breezy in it [03:20] Riddell: i recompile skim against kdelibs4c2a, it won't woks [03:26] Riddell: ah, so my amarok segfaults might be kdelibs4c2a ABI related issue? [03:30] Tm_T: it would need to be recompiled [03:31] already done twice [03:32] I try again with clean mulimedia dir -> === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.34.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === KaiL_ [n=KaiL@p548F428B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] nope [04:33] can't get amarok working now at all :p === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@p548D11DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:24] would someone ping me when juk is installable please, thanks -> === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === author-psi [n=marcel@p50904756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A629E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === author-psi [n=marcel@p50904756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === Tonio_ [n=tonio@cac94-5-82-229-219-55.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:18] hum, kdesktop crashed: 1, kicker crashed: 5 [07:18] :p === Diablo-D3 [i=diablod3@pool-71-241-202-39.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:42] hey, no pine in ubuntu?! === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === author-psi [n=marcel@p50904756.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:41] Tm_T: pine is non-free, it's probably in multiverse === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:46] Riddell: heh, not in dapper [08:46] dunno about breezy [08:47] but I downloaded package from their webpage [08:57] errh, so I can't set composite shadow off from one window/app ? [08:58] Tm_T: you 'can' [08:58] just probably not with any current compositing tool [08:58] Riddell: 3.5rc* built packages are in dapper now, btw [09:00] Diablo-D3: umm, I know, I put them there [09:00] Riddell: yeah, but didnt you upload those earlier? [09:02] Diablo-D3: heh, sad though [09:02] so I disabled whole shadow thing [09:02] caused more irritation than fun [09:02] yeah, its a pita [09:02] its a neat toy, but I want full hardware acceleration [09:03] just if I get nvidia working in dapper [09:03] I mean [09:03] I HAVE A RADEOn [09:03] THE ULTIMATE IN RENDERING POWAH! [09:03] FFFEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAR THE RADEON! === tvo hides [09:05] DUUUN DUN DUN DUN DUNNNNNN DDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH [09:05] Diablo-D3: calm down [09:06] Tm_T: you really know how to kill the party, dont you? [09:27] yes [09:31] hmm, some upgrades, let's see if juk can be installed now [09:32] juk sucks, use amarok [09:32] then again, amarok is broken too =/ [09:32] and I can compile amaroK just fine, but it segfaults :p [09:32] lol [09:32] so can't use it :p [09:32] actually, I've been using an experimental player lately [09:32] Diablo-D3: You could send the author an email, stating that his work sucks. wheeler@kde.org [09:33] audacious [09:33] its a fork of the old bmp tree [09:33] yhh [09:33] and the guy behind it fixed the mp3 engine, so it sounds even better than mad [09:34] mp3s are actually /good sounding/ with this thing [09:34] no juk :( [09:36] Tm_T: if you try out aud, use the svn version [09:36] I'm trying to add stuff to make it more amarok like, though [09:36] though I may end up just going ahead and making my own amarok-like media player === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A618A0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:37] :p [09:37] well, I like the amarok interface [09:37] I just dont like the internals [09:37] heh [09:37] ok, where's that app then? [09:37] http://audacious-media-player.org/ === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:40] Tm_T: when you build svn, tell me if it compiles for you or not [09:41] sure === Diablo-D3 thinks he may have found TEH BUG [09:43] X crashed =) [09:43] "X caught signal 11" [09:43] wheee [09:43] lol [09:43] okay, nm, aud builds [09:43] my local copy was whacked [09:44] I love how it has a ton of native plugins [09:44] it can do a bunch of game music formats [09:44] and does wma now [09:47] http://audacious-media-player.org/SVN <- in trunk there there's no audacious-devel directory [09:47] uhh [09:47] er,what? [09:47] works for me [09:48] nothing :p [09:48] http://svn.atheme.org/audacious/trunk/ [09:48] look there [09:48] yeah? [09:48] audacious-devel is the local dir it gets put in -_- [09:49] aaah! [09:49] sorry === Diablo-D3 is streaming live! http://svn.atheme.org:10000/broadband.ogg.m3u [10:03] \sh: cdbs compiled. woo [10:03] <\sh> Riddell: congrats :) I saw your two uploads :) [10:03] actually that was the 7th upload, but never mind [10:08] hum [10:09] Riddell: juk is installable soon then? [10:11] Tm_T: no, that's waiting on akode, goodness knows when that'll get fixed [10:12] haha [10:12] ok [10:18] and uhm, kdemultimedia-dev is the package that is needed to get arts engine in amaroK [10:20] I might just upload a new akode and see if that fixes everything [10:21] ooh, elmo says he fixed it [10:21] and it's in the archives! [10:23] :o [10:24] that's good? I mean good good? [10:24] <\sh> Riddell: do u happen to know if anyone is using firebird? [10:24] <\sh> Riddell: as in database? [10:24] <\sh> Riddell: especially in combination with hk-classes? [10:26] \sh: I don't know anyone doing so. qt isn't compiled against firebird since it's in universe [10:27] <\sh> Riddell: ok well...firebird is only compiled on i386 and not on the other 2 main archs...so I wonder if I should remove the whole firebird support from hk-classes or just not include for amd64 and powerpc [10:27] \sh: may as well just do it on i386 [10:28] <\sh> so leave i386 but not the others... [10:29] yes [10:29] Build-Depend: firebird [i386] , ... [10:30] Diablo-D3: I cant use unsermake to compile it, right? [10:30] probably not. [10:31] I thought so [10:31] and make output is mostly unreadable [10:31] compared to unsermake output [10:31] yeah, blame xmms on that [10:31] xmms has some of the worst make scripts known to man [10:32] bmp never cleaned them up much, and aud hasnt either. [10:33] hey Riddell [10:33] libkcddb1 does compile [10:36] AAAH! [10:36] I see... gnome file dialog... [10:36] hmm, or is it gtk? [10:36] anyway, painnnn [10:36] its whatever you have installed [10:36] its a gtk app, but gnome regularly takes that over =( [10:37] I wish they'd put the old dialog back [10:37] or emulate kde's === Diablo-D3 builds krita. [10:40] oh wow [10:40] unsermake has sexy output [10:40] yes [10:41] AND A PERCENTAGE THINGY [10:41] <\sh> Riddell: forget about this...amd64 is explicit mentioned in firebird2 control file as build target...so something else is wrong [10:42] Diablo-D3: one thing, can I change font colours? [10:42] Tm_T: define font colors [10:43] if you mean on any skinned dialog, thats up to the winamp theme [10:44] hum, default skin, and playlist is almost unreadable [10:44] and oh so small mainwindow [10:44] thats the winamp legacy for you. [10:44] yuk [10:44] no kidding. [10:44] I miss my amaroK [10:44] I miss amarok too =( [10:45] hum so I can' control easily playlist font colours? [10:45] +t [10:46] where's all my fantastic winamp skins! === Tm_T made several awesome skins in his youth [10:46] heh [10:50] and those ar far more usable than this default skin [10:51] readable I mean [10:51] I dont care for the winamp design at all [10:51] me neither [10:51] but, like I said, winamp legacy [10:51] I could kick the xmms developers for trying to clone winamp [10:51] /bad idea/ [10:51] one thing I don't understand [10:51] why I can't use awesome kwin to handle windows?! [10:52] because bill gates hates you? [10:52] I mean audicious ain and playlist window in this case ;) [10:52] ahh [10:52] winamp legacy. [10:52] hate it [10:52] I hate how window managers work in X anyhow [10:53] we have 1383582590823590 window managers, and they all suck. [10:53] and none of them are built into the server, either. [10:53] well, kwin is best I've ever used [10:53] what we need, is a fully programmable window manager that can fucking do anything [10:53] any possible imaginable thing, no matter how retarded or totally awesome, should be able to be done. [11:02] seaLne: fancy hosting the next akademy at strathclyde? [11:03] ? [11:03] what? where's that? [11:03] i'd sort of thought about it but i wasn't sure how it would work out as it would need to be during the summer and the aniversary would be after that [11:04] and the halls of residence are full with pipers for the glasgow piping thing which is at some point in august i think [11:09] ah 7-13th aug so that rules out the first half of august [11:09] Riddell: ^ [11:19] seaLne: before that is fine [11:19] seaLne: previously we've done it late in august which apparantly is the time americans go back to uni [11:22] so they can't go? is that what the complaint was about then? [11:23] here univs and polytechnics start in late aug and month from that [11:27] Tm_T: where is here? [11:27] strathclyde? [11:27] ah [11:28] sorry [11:28] I mean here in Finland [11:30] Riddell: is it a case of a proposed venue decides the dates or is the dates decided by "kde" [11:30] seaLne: venue decides dates === claydoh [n=claydoh@65.99.186.12] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_T is trying to be in aKademy this time === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:42] not sure how i could arrange ~25k of sponsorship eith [11:45] seaLne: there are other more expereinced KDE people for doing that sort of thing [11:45] seaLne: do you know how much strathclyde would charge? [11:46] no, but they are money grabbers [11:46] suppose i could ask around [11:46] i'm not sure if the dept could get away with just booking rooms.... [11:47] 24 hours a day for 8 days :) [11:48] there are halls of residence on campus so ~5min from anywhere on campus that it would be held and right next to the city center of course === seth_k [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:50] it would be cool for it to be in scotland tho [11:51] certainly would [11:52] and glasgow has a good LUG for support [11:52] hum, flight to scotland from here... something like 40e usnig ryanair I think [11:52] using [11:52] anyway, sleep I get -> === Riddell too