[01:34] <Diablo-D3> I'm streaming live: http://svn.atheme.org:10000/broadband.ogg
[01:51] <raphink> Riddell, \sh_away : you're around?
[01:55] <raphink> I'm writing a script that would do something of an emerge-like command on debian systems
[01:55] <raphink> anyone wanna try it ? ;)
[01:55] <Diablo-D3> raphink: stfu.
[01:55] <raphink> Diablo-D3: wanna try?
[01:55] <raphink> ;)
[02:49] <Diablo-D3> I wonder when archive will get these debs
[08:35] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[10:11] <Tonio_> morning
[10:48] <Tm_T> hm, where's kdelibs4c2 package in dapper?
[11:05] <Tm_T> ok, no adept, no amarok... let's see if I can compile and use Kopete :p
[11:07] <freeflying> Tm_T: it's replaced by kdelibs4c2a
[11:07] <Tm_T> hum
[11:08] <Tm_T> so some packages haven't updated yet(?)
[11:08] <freeflying> sure
[11:08] <Tm_T> :p
[11:08] <Tm_T> it's just, my whole kde is in one big mess now =)
[11:08] <Tm_T> no kdm
[11:11] <Tm_T> maybe I start to compile kde myself ;)
[11:15] <freeflying> Tm_T: you only need compile the kde-style-lipstik
[11:16] <Tm_T> eh
[11:35] <Tm_T> great, now electricity was cut out
[11:36] <Tm_T> I need ups
[11:36] <Riddell> viviersf: hi
[11:37] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[11:37] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[11:38] <freeflying> Riddell: when will all kde3.5 package in dapper
[11:42] <Tm_T> let's see if I cancompile amarok
[11:42] <Tm_T> I can, without arts engine \o/
[11:45] <Riddell> freeflying: soon
[11:45] <Riddell> Tm_T: why withour arts?
[11:45] <mornfall> Riddell: pong!
[11:46] <Tm_T> Riddell: looks like I can't install some arts related dev packages
[11:47] <Tm_T> so configure leaves arts support
[11:47] <Riddell> Tm_T: what can't you install?
[11:48] <Tm_T> dunno, my kde is now quite mess, I'm trying to collect stuff back together
[11:48] <Tm_T> I tell as soon as I know more
[11:49] <Tm_T> E: Build-dependencies for amarok could not be satisfied.
[11:49] <Tm_T> when doing apt-get build-dep amarok
[11:52] <Tm_T> ok, I can compile workin amarok
[11:52] <Tm_T> <3
[11:54] <Tm_T> checking arts/artsmodules.h presence... no
[11:54] <Tm_T> humm
[11:54] <Tm_T> what package provides that one?
[11:56] <Tm_T> apt-file returns none
[12:45] <Tm_T> have to install nvidia drivers ->
[01:11] <\sh> Riddell: why is the layout and style of 3.5rc2 in dapper different then in breezy?
[01:12] <Riddell> \sh: no kde-style-lipstik yet
[01:12] <Riddell> and no kubuntu-default-settings
[01:31] <\sh> Riddell: no...even the panel is different...
[01:32] <Riddell> \sh: panel layout is governed kubuntu-default-settings (which won't install because no kde-style-lipstik)
[01:33] <\sh> k
[01:33] <\sh> bbl meeting
[01:42] <freeflying> Riddell: many package need recompile accord to kdelibs4c2a
[01:43] <Riddell> freeflying: yes, they're waiting on cdbs being fixed.  also akode has got lost in the archives and kdepim is stuck in NEW for review
[01:53] <Riddell> tvo: I think this one is for you http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20176
[01:56] <tvo> Riddell: yup, it's one of the bugs I already heard about in #kubuntu-nl. That's why I want to make a separate google suggest searchbar for dapper
[01:56] <tvo> so users can optionally disable the gs bar and (re)enable the normal searchbar
[01:57] <Riddell> should thye be separate?  wouldn't just an option to turn off be better?
[01:59] <tvo> well, another option would be to make a bar including features of the "normal" searchbar _and_ gs features
[02:00] <tvo> but I want to get rid of the patch which keeps breaking, so even if it will be 1 multifunctional searchbar, I'd rather fork the old one
[02:00] <Riddell> eventually we should get this into KDE trunk
[02:01] <tvo> yep, that's another reason to clean it up a bit..
[02:03] <tvo> anyway, I think I'll rewrite the thing for dapper asap
[02:04] <Tm_T> whee
[02:04] <Tm_T> dapper is a mess now :p
[02:04] <Tm_T> do my best to get things working here ->
[02:04] <tvo> heh
[02:06] <Tm_T> hmm, let's see if I can compile kdepim
[02:09] <Tm_T> atleast KDE upgrades messed some of my options
[02:09] <Tm_T> kde related options and settings
[02:11] <Tm_T> uff, and no kmix :o
[02:13] <tvo> I'm on breezy now, last time I tried to upgrade my dapper install debsig segfaulted
[02:13] <tvo> also I'm too lazy to add it to my grub menu.lst, so I can only chroot into it
[02:13] <Tm_T> =)
[02:13] <Tm_T> I have only this dapper
[02:13] <Tm_T> soo...
[02:14] <tvo> hmm, yeah..
[02:16] <Tm_T> and now amarok doesn't work =)
[02:20] <freeflying> Tm_T: see Riddell's message as above
[02:24] <Tm_T> ehm
[02:53] <Tm_T> let's see if recompile&&install fixes amarok
[02:54] <Tm_T> nah
[02:54] <Tm_T> segmentation fault immediately
[02:55] <Tm_T> full recompile then
[02:56] <freeflying> Tm_T: can you compile amarok now?
[02:59] <Tm_T> yes I can, with xine and gst engines
[03:00] <Tm_T> but amarokapp executable segfaults
[03:03] <Tm_T> yup
[03:04] <Tm_T> nope, can't get it running
[03:04] <Tm_T> and can't install juk
[03:05] <Tm_T> hum hum hum, what I'll use to play music...
[03:08] <Riddell> Tm_T: ogg123 working great for me
[03:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: heh, I use mp3blaster :)
[03:08] <Tm_T> maybe I'm just too used with amaroK and easyness of it
[03:09] <Tm_T> I used to do ~10 albums queue
[03:10] <Tm_T> now I know why people doesn't usually use "bleeding edge" =)
[03:14] <freeflying> Tm_T: me too , now skim on my desktop can not run 
[03:15] <Tm_T> heh
[03:16] <Tm_T> if I even try to do anything screensaver related -> kdesktop crashes
[03:16] <freeflying> Riddell: what's the difference between kdelibs4c2 and kdelibs4c2a
[03:19] <Riddell> freeflying: libstdc++ got rebuilt with a new option which means some libraries have a new ABI and are no longer compatible so had to be renamed, kdelibs4c2a is the new one
[03:19] <Riddell> we now need to rebuild all the packages that depend on kdelibs to be built against kdelibs4c2a
[03:20] <Tm_T> hmh, my "extra" hd isn't here
[03:20] <Tm_T> I thought to set up breezy in it
[03:20] <freeflying> Riddell: i recompile skim against kdelibs4c2a, it won't woks
[03:26] <Tm_T> Riddell: ah, so my amarok segfaults might be kdelibs4c2a ABI related issue?
[03:30] <Riddell> Tm_T: it would need to be recompiled
[03:31] <Tm_T> already done twice
[03:32] <Tm_T> I try again with clean mulimedia dir ->
[04:33] <Tm_T> nope
[04:33] <Tm_T> can't get amarok working now at all :p
[05:24] <Tm_T> would someone ping me when juk is installable please, thanks ->
[07:18] <Tm_T> hum, kdesktop crashed: 1, kicker crashed: 5
[07:18] <Tm_T> :p
[07:42] <Tm_T> hey, no pine in ubuntu?!
[08:41] <Riddell> Tm_T: pine is non-free, it's probably in multiverse
[08:46] <Tm_T> Riddell: heh, not in dapper
[08:46] <Tm_T> dunno about breezy
[08:47] <Tm_T> but I downloaded package from their webpage
[08:57] <Tm_T> errh, so I can't set composite shadow off from one window/app ?
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: you 'can'
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> just probably not with any current compositing tool
[08:58] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: 3.5rc* built packages are in dapper now, btw
[09:00] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: umm, I know, I put them there
[09:00] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: yeah, but didnt you upload those earlier?
[09:02] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: heh, sad though
[09:02] <Tm_T> so I disabled whole shadow thing
[09:02] <Tm_T> caused more irritation than fun
[09:02] <Diablo-D3> yeah, its a pita
[09:02] <Diablo-D3> its a neat toy, but I want full hardware acceleration
[09:03] <Tm_T> just if I get nvidia working in dapper
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> I mean
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> I HAVE A RADEOn
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> THE ULTIMATE IN RENDERING POWAH!
[09:03] <Diablo-D3> FFFEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAR THE RADEON!
[09:05] <Diablo-D3> DUUUN DUN DUN DUN DUNNNNNN DDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH </theme song>
[09:05] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: calm down
[09:06] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: you really know how to kill the party, dont you?
[09:27] <Tm_T> yes
[09:31] <Tm_T> hmm, some upgrades, let's see if juk can be installed now
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> juk sucks, use amarok
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> then again, amarok is broken too =/
[09:32] <Tm_T> and I can compile amaroK just fine, but it segfaults :p
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> lol
[09:32] <Tm_T> so can't use it :p
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> actually, I've been using an experimental player lately
[09:32] <sebas> Diablo-D3: You could send the author an email, stating that his work sucks. wheeler@kde.org
[09:33] <Diablo-D3> audacious
[09:33] <Diablo-D3> its a fork of the old bmp tree
[09:33] <Tm_T> yhh
[09:33] <Diablo-D3> and the guy behind it fixed the mp3 engine, so it sounds even better than mad
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> mp3s are actually /good sounding/ with this thing
[09:34] <Tm_T> no juk :(
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: if you try out aud, use the svn version
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> I'm trying to add stuff to make it more amarok like, though
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> though I may end up just going ahead and making my own amarok-like media player
[09:37] <Tm_T> :p
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> well, I like the amarok interface
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> I just dont like the internals
[09:37] <Tm_T> heh
[09:37] <Tm_T> ok, where's that app then?
[09:37] <Diablo-D3> http://audacious-media-player.org/
[09:40] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: when you build svn, tell me if it compiles for you or not
[09:41] <Tm_T> sure
[09:43] <Tm_T> X crashed =)
[09:43] <Tm_T> "X caught signal 11"
[09:43] <Tm_T> wheee
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> lol
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> okay, nm, aud builds
[09:43] <Diablo-D3> my local copy was whacked
[09:44] <Diablo-D3> I love how it has a ton of native plugins
[09:44] <Diablo-D3> it can do a bunch of game music formats
[09:44] <Diablo-D3> and does wma now
[09:47] <Tm_T> http://audacious-media-player.org/SVN  <- in trunk there there's no audacious-devel directory
[09:47] <Tm_T> uhh
[09:47] <Diablo-D3> er,what?
[09:47] <Diablo-D3> works for me
[09:48] <Tm_T> nothing :p
[09:48] <Tm_T> http://svn.atheme.org/audacious/trunk/
[09:48] <Tm_T> look there
[09:48] <Diablo-D3> yeah?
[09:48] <Diablo-D3> audacious-devel is the local dir it gets put in -_-
[09:49] <Tm_T> aaah!
[09:49] <Tm_T> sorry
[10:03] <Riddell> \sh: cdbs compiled.  woo
[10:03] <\sh> Riddell: congrats :) I saw your two uploads :)
[10:03] <Riddell> actually that was the 7th upload, but never mind
[10:08] <Tm_T> hum
[10:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: juk is installable soon then?
[10:11] <Riddell> Tm_T: no, that's waiting on akode, goodness knows when that'll get fixed
[10:12] <Tm_T> haha
[10:12] <Tm_T> ok
[10:18] <Tm_T> and uhm, kdemultimedia-dev is the package that is needed to get arts engine in amaroK
[10:20] <Riddell> I might just upload a new akode and see if that fixes everything
[10:21] <Riddell> ooh, elmo says he fixed it
[10:21] <Riddell> and it's in the archives!
[10:23] <Tm_T> :o
[10:24] <Tm_T> that's good? I mean good good?
[10:24] <\sh> Riddell: do u happen to know if anyone is using firebird?
[10:24] <\sh> Riddell: as in database?
[10:24] <\sh> Riddell: especially in combination with hk-classes?
[10:26] <Riddell> \sh: I don't know anyone doing so.  qt isn't compiled against firebird since it's in universe
[10:27] <\sh> Riddell: ok well...firebird is only compiled on i386 and not on the other 2 main archs...so I wonder if I should remove the whole firebird support from hk-classes or just not include for amd64 and powerpc
[10:27] <Riddell> \sh: may as well just do it on i386
[10:28] <\sh> so leave i386 but not the others...
[10:29] <Riddell> yes
[10:29] <Riddell> Build-Depend: firebird [i386] , ...
[10:30] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: I cant use unsermake to compile it, right?
[10:30] <Diablo-D3> probably not.
[10:31] <Tm_T> I thought so
[10:31] <Tm_T> and make output is mostly unreadable
[10:31] <Tm_T> compared to unsermake output
[10:31] <Diablo-D3> yeah, blame xmms on that
[10:31] <Diablo-D3> xmms has some of the worst make scripts known to man
[10:32] <Diablo-D3> bmp never cleaned them up much, and aud hasnt either.
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> hey Riddell 
[10:33] <Diablo-D3> libkcddb1 does compile
[10:36] <Tm_T> AAAH!
[10:36] <Tm_T> I see... gnome file dialog...
[10:36] <Tm_T> hmm, or is it gtk?
[10:36] <Tm_T> anyway, painnnn
[10:36] <Diablo-D3> its whatever you have installed
[10:36] <Diablo-D3> its a gtk app, but gnome regularly takes that over =(
[10:37] <Diablo-D3> I wish they'd put the old dialog back
[10:37] <Diablo-D3> or emulate kde's
[10:40] <Diablo-D3> oh wow
[10:40] <Diablo-D3> unsermake has sexy output
[10:40] <Tm_T> yes
[10:41] <Diablo-D3> AND A PERCENTAGE THINGY
[10:41] <\sh> Riddell: forget about this...amd64 is explicit mentioned in firebird2 control file as build target...so something else is wrong
[10:42] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: one thing, can I change font colours?
[10:42] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: define font colors
[10:43] <Diablo-D3> if you mean on any skinned dialog, thats up to the winamp theme
[10:44] <Tm_T> hum, default skin, and playlist is almost unreadable
[10:44] <Tm_T> and oh so small mainwindow
[10:44] <Diablo-D3> thats the winamp legacy for you.
[10:44] <Tm_T> yuk
[10:44] <Diablo-D3> no kidding.
[10:44] <Tm_T> I miss my amaroK
[10:44] <Diablo-D3> I miss amarok too =(
[10:45] <Tm_T> hum so I can' control easily playlist font colours?
[10:45] <Tm_T> +t
[10:46] <Tm_T> where's all my fantastic winamp skins!
[10:46] <Diablo-D3> heh
[10:50] <Tm_T> and those ar far more usable than this default skin
[10:51] <Tm_T> readable I mean
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> I dont care for the winamp design at all
[10:51] <Tm_T> me neither
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> but, like I said, winamp legacy
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> I could kick the xmms developers for trying to clone winamp
[10:51] <Diablo-D3> /bad idea/
[10:51] <Tm_T> one thing I don't understand
[10:51] <Tm_T> why I can't use awesome kwin to handle windows?!
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> because bill gates hates you?
[10:52] <Tm_T> I mean audicious ain and playlist window in this case ;)
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> ahh
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> winamp legacy.
[10:52] <Tm_T> hate it
[10:52] <Diablo-D3> I hate how window managers work in X anyhow
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> we have 1383582590823590 window managers, and they all suck.
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> and none of them are built into the server, either.
[10:53] <Tm_T> well, kwin is best I've ever used
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> what we need, is a fully programmable window manager that can fucking do anything
[10:53] <Diablo-D3> any possible imaginable thing, no matter how retarded or totally awesome, should be able to be done.
[11:02] <Riddell> seaLne: fancy hosting the next akademy at strathclyde?
[11:03] <Tm_T> ?
[11:03] <Tm_T> what? where's that?
[11:03] <seaLne> i'd sort of thought about it but i wasn't sure how it would work out as it would need to be during the summer and the aniversary would be after that
[11:04] <seaLne> and the halls of residence are full with pipers for the glasgow piping thing which is at some point in august i think
[11:09] <seaLne> ah 7-13th aug so that rules out the first half of august
[11:09] <seaLne> Riddell: ^
[11:19] <Riddell> seaLne: before that is fine
[11:19] <Riddell> seaLne: previously we've done it late in august which apparantly is the time americans go back to uni
[11:22] <seaLne> so they can't go? is that what the complaint was about then?
[11:23] <Tm_T> here univs and polytechnics start in late aug and month from that
[11:27] <Riddell> Tm_T: where is here?
[11:27] <Tm_T> strathclyde?
[11:27] <Tm_T> ah
[11:28] <Tm_T> sorry
[11:28] <Tm_T> I mean here in Finland
[11:30] <seaLne> Riddell: is it a case of a proposed venue decides the dates or is the dates decided by "kde"
[11:30] <Riddell> seaLne: venue decides dates
[11:42] <seaLne> not sure how i could arrange ~25k of sponsorship eith
[11:45] <Riddell> seaLne: there are other more expereinced KDE people for doing that sort of thing
[11:45] <Riddell> seaLne: do you know how much strathclyde would charge?
[11:46] <seaLne> no, but they are money grabbers
[11:46] <seaLne> suppose i could ask around
[11:46] <seaLne> i'm not sure if the dept could get away with just booking rooms....
[11:47] <Riddell> 24 hours a day for 8 days :)
[11:48] <seaLne> there are halls of residence on campus so ~5min from anywhere on campus that it would be held and right next to the city center of course
[11:50] <seaLne> it would be cool for it to be in scotland tho
[11:51] <Riddell> certainly would
[11:52] <Riddell> and glasgow has a good LUG for support
[11:52] <Tm_T> hum, flight to scotland from here... something like 40e usnig ryanair I think
[11:52] <Tm_T> using
[11:52] <Tm_T> anyway, sleep I get ->