[12:03] <insanekane> libben: you need to update the grub image on your disk
[12:04] <insanekane> libben: at least, i *think* you need to ... why don't you just reboot and try ?
[12:05] <libben> i dont think i need to. ive altered it before with time command, and that was good.
[12:05] <libben> but ill notice if it was correct or not next reboot. 
[12:05] <insanekane> libben: yep exactly :)
[12:10] <erwin[kaoul] > bonsoir !
[12:12] <anticlick> hi ya!!
[12:13] <anticlick> any here?
[12:15] <sincer> hy there] 
[12:15] <erwin[kaoul] > yea
[12:15] <erwin[kaoul] > hi
[12:15] <sincer> An stupid question Kubuntu/Ubuntu users?
[12:15] <libben> shoot
[12:16] <libben> and if its to much for me, im of to bed
[12:16] <sincer> hehe
[12:16] <libben> ill go brush me teeth will u shoot it
[12:17] <sincer> I`m reinstaling it have the stupid acpi erorr... not fully installed all pakages
[12:17] <erwin[kaoul] > hum, install it without acpi.
[12:17] <sincer> somebody use Rosegarden?
[12:17] <libben> my tought also
[12:17] <erwin[kaoul] > option : noacpi
[12:18] <libben> sincer: hit the F keys before u hit ENTER when u boot the installation
[12:18] <mymayer> can i install the NNscript under linux ?
[12:18] <libben> i think it tells u whaat to type for not having ACPI 
[12:18] <sincer> k 
[12:18] <sincer> i`ve disabled in BIOS
[12:18] <sincer> :)
[12:18] <Drakeson> is 3.5 (final) out yet?
[12:18] <sincer> I thinck I`ll use no vesa
[12:18] <sincer> Kde 3.5 R1
[12:18] <sincer> :)
[12:19] <sincer> is on the site about it dunno..
[12:19] <Drakeson> sincer: I saw RC2 src, but now I mean final
[12:19] <sincer> uhmm...
[12:20] <sincer> no thinck so
[12:20] <sincer> :S i`ve tested Gentoo , Yoper last day`s
[12:20] <sincer> Gentoo took me a week...shiti shiti
[12:20] <sincer> Kubuntu - stable
[12:20] <sincer> and fast
[12:21] <sincer> Fedora core ... huh ver 4
[12:21] <sincer> slow like hell
[12:21] <Drakeson> what about suse?
[12:21] <sincer> not tested
[12:21] <sincer> i think all of Debian -based
[12:21] <sincer> are good... for now
[12:21] <sincer> :)
[12:22] <raphink> sincer: I know Riddell is packaging RC2 lately
[12:22] <sincer> Knopix Mopix
[12:22] <raphink> should be out soon
[12:22] <sincer> K
[12:22] <sincer> nice to know
[12:22] <sincer> somebody pakged Rosegarde 4.10?
[12:22] <sincer> DSSI?
[12:22] <Drakeson> raphink: what is the release date of 3.5 final? is it 29th?
[12:22] <raphink> if you want it now, you can use konstruct ;)
[12:23] <raphink> theorically yes Drakeson 
[12:23] <raphink> but since 3.5rc1 was a few days late
[12:23] <raphink> 3.5 final might be a bit late too
[12:23] <Drakeson> the web site says 29rd ;) mean it was 23rd sometime ;)
[12:23] <Drakeson> thanks
[12:23] <raphink> haha
[12:23] <raphink> or 33rd :D
[12:24] <raphink> :
[12:24] <sincer> hmmmm Kubuntu is fast...hmm... i think i`ll make it my OS
[12:24] <raphink> sincer: good choice ;)
[12:24] <sincer> Rosegarden 4.10 pakaged?! or i`ll compile it...hmm it takes to long to my pc
[12:24] <raphink> although it's got many more good stuff than just being fast ;)
[12:24] <sincer> half a day
[12:25] <raphink> sincer:  you can also check if a debian package is available
[12:25] <Drakeson> sincer: I resisted too, but i fell into kubuntu :)
[12:25] <raphink> try to install or compile the package
[12:25] <sincer> i`m in adept searchinf
[12:25] <sincer> searching
[12:25] <raphink> sincer: did you activate universe and multiver?
[12:25] <raphink> multiverse 
[12:26] <sincer> translate to me
[12:26] <sincer> i`m missconfuzed
[12:26] <sincer> :D
[12:27] <raphink> then I guess you have not ;)
[12:27] <sincer> how do i set that
[12:27] <raphink> official ubuntu repositories are split in 3 parts : main, universe and multiverse
[12:27] <raphink> `main' are the main packages 
[12:27] <raphink> obvious
[12:27] <raphink> `universe' are additional packages
[12:27] <raphink> and `multiverse' are packages that might not follow the ubuntu policy
[12:28] <raphink> such as non open-source apps
[12:28] <raphink> if I'm not wrong ;)
[12:28] <sincer> oo.. that no
[12:28] <sincer> :D
[12:28] <raphink> sincer: what app do you use for packages ? adept ?
[12:28] <sincer> adept
[12:28] <sincer> fresh install
[12:28] <sincer> of Kubuntu
[12:28] <raphink> then open adept
[12:28] <sincer> .,.. eronemous one...
[12:28] <sincer> reinstal in 10 min
[12:28] <sincer> :D
[12:29] <raphink> go to Adept -> Manage repositories
[12:29] <sincer> aha
[12:29] <raphink> and uncomment the universe and multiverse lines
[12:29] <raphink> then apply, close and click "Fetch updates"
[12:29] <sincer> ooo...
[12:29] <sincer> i know
[12:29] <sincer> ...i`m stupid at this part
[12:29] <raphink> you'll have many more packages available ;)
[12:29] <sincer> :))))))))))))
[12:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> adept is still in development, right?
[12:29] <sincer> what a stupid moment  for me
[12:30] <sincer> :D
[12:30] <raphink> sure as most apps are Rogue_Jedi_X ;)
[12:30] <raphink> it's not a beta version though
[12:30] <raphink> otherwise it wouldn't be the defautl package manager in kubuntu ;)
[12:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hehe, yeah, I figured as much :)
[12:30] <sincer> fetching
[12:31] <sincer> yeah..
[12:31] <_osh> I'm thinking adept is a tad on the slow side. What is it written in?
[12:31] <raphink> I don't like package manager guis ;)
[12:31] <raphink> apt-get and aptitude in console are the best ;)
[12:31] <raphink> no need for a gui to manage packages when there are such great tools ;)
[12:31] <raphink> hehe
[12:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I just thought it still has some areas worth looking into like better repo management or showing where packages have their files installed
[12:31] <sincer> yeah... Gentoo killed some of my brains so..
[12:31] <sincer> i love graphic part
[12:31] <sincer> :D
[12:32] <sincer> no stress
[12:32] <sincer> :D
[12:32] <raphink> hehe
[12:32] <raphink> well I would enjoy it more if there was a package manager such as finkcommander
[12:32] <raphink> for kubuntu
[12:32] <raphink> but there isn't that I know of
[12:32] <raphink> for any linux distro
[12:32] <raphink> and I'm not to program it 
[12:32] <raphink> at least now
[12:33] <raphink> and finkcommander might not be ported easily since it's a Mac OS app
[12:33] <sincer> hehe
[12:33] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: fink is an apt-get-based package manager for Mac OS
[12:33] <raphink> letting you install linux apps on Mac OS
[12:33] <raphink> and finkcommander is the gui for it
[12:33] <raphink> using it, you can install kde, amarok and other great stuff on Mac OS using Darwin and Fink
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Neat-o
[12:34] <raphink> (and no, my nick has nothing to do with it)
[12:34] <raphink> Finkcommander is really well done
[12:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> If I actually had a Mac, that is
[12:34] <raphink> it lets you install source packages
[12:34] <raphink> or build them from the gui
[12:34] <raphink> which is something that our guis lack
[12:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I say it's just a matter of time
[12:35] <raphink> http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/about/images/inspector.jpg
[12:35] <raphink> look
[12:35] <raphink> I think it's really well done and should be an example for other package manager projects imo
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nice. Though I sometimes like to add extra parameters when building packages
[12:36] <raphink> sure
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Like mldonkey, when I don't want Kazaa support
[12:36] <raphink> but at least there it can be done
[12:36] <raphink> whereas synaptic, kynaptic, kpackage or adept won't let you do so
[12:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yes, very commendable
[12:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, from what I understand package management is quite an issue for Linux in general
[12:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There's rpms, debs, tgzs, source-based distros and recently autopackage
[12:38] <raphink> yes there are various approaches
[12:38] <raphink> I would say rpm is an old approach that is getting obsolete imo
[12:39] <raphink> even mandriva users (mandriva using rpm) use apt-get more and more
[12:39] <raphink> so that I heard mandriva is developing a new package system based on apt-get
[12:39] <raphink> then you have the source-based approch as you said
[12:39] <raphink> such a gentoo
[12:39] <raphink> I don't really see a point in this for most users
[12:39] <raphink> you don't gain much
[12:39] <raphink> you loose much time though
[12:39] <raphink> taking 70 hours to build KDE
[12:39] <raphink> if it doesn't fail
[12:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's not entirely true
[12:40] <raphink> and not testing programs because it takes too long
[12:40] <raphink> and then
[12:40] <raphink> you can do the same with apt-get actually
[12:40] <raphink> using apt-get --build source $package
[12:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> You get stability. By using precompiled packages there's a risk, though minimal, that it's not built properly
[12:40] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: depends
[12:40] <pv_> i would imagine you get something else than stability
[12:40] <raphink> Debian policy is such that this risk is minimal
[12:40] <pv_> precompiled packages can be tested by many people
[12:40] <sincer> :( no Rosegaden i must compile it
[12:40] <raphink> and they are pv_ 
[12:41] <raphink> debian and ubuntu packages are tested, checked, reviewed
[12:41] <raphink> and must be conform to the Debian policy
[12:41] <raphink> which is very strict 
[12:41] <sincer> DSSI ...i must compile it... :(
[12:41] <raphink> I'm afraid most distros don't have such a stric policy on packaging
[12:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> pv_: True, but there's always goofs. My Kaffeine, for example crashed whenever I tried opening a video file when another was playing. Compiling from source fixed that
[12:42] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: then you can report it
[12:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: I think it already is
[12:42] <raphink> of course there's always a few bugs that can hardly be avoided
[12:43] <raphink> but so far I think the deb system is the best I've seen around
[12:43] <raphink> although it has weaknesses ;)
[12:43] <raphink> just like all systems
[12:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Agreed
[12:43] <sincer> Agree
[12:44] <pv_> but compared to yum or urpmi, apt-get is rock-stable and lightning-fast
[12:44] <sincer> Deb rules .. 
[12:44] <raphink> yes pv_ 
[12:44] <raphink> urpmi is to disappear I think
[12:44] <sander_> don't forget smartpm, and yast. :)
[12:44] <pv_> never heard of them :)=I wonder if they can make yum fa
[12:44] <raphink> as I said, I've heard mandriva is developping a new package management system based on apt-get
[12:44] <pv_> ster
[12:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Just as well. It wasn't doing that well when I was on Mandrake
[12:44] <sincer> i hve a problem
[12:44] <raphink> sander_: there's pacman too, and others
[12:44] <sincer> guys
[12:44] <raphink> and emerge
[12:45] <sincer> i can`t login as SU
[12:45] <raphink> ;)
[12:45] <sincer> WTF
[12:45] <pv_> sincer, sudo -s
[12:45] <sander_> hmm, never heard of pacman, but yast v apt is making me reconsider my switch to OpenSuse. :)
[12:45] <sincer> thx pv
[12:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> A pacman package manager. Ouch. I think I hear Namco's lawyers coming
[12:46] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: pacman is the archlinux's package manager
[12:47] <_osh> raphink: Why? Why bother building something that's already been built and is availible for download? Not saying you shouldn't do it, just curious to why you would want to.
[12:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: I'm no lawyer, but isn't using that name copyright infringement?
[12:47] <sincer> this is my sistem Celeron 433 mhz 128 ram :D ... Kubuntu running fast
[12:47] <sincer> :D
[12:48] <pv_> trademark infringement if anything maybe
[12:48] <pv_> but IANAL
[12:48] <raphink> _osh: some people like to build their packages, + that would allow using debian repos as deb-src for packages that are not available on ubuntu
[12:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> pv_: Whoops, thanks for correcting me
[12:48] <raphink> _osh: and thus test debian packages easily before merging them
[12:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: I think that's a great idea. While some would ignore it, others would embrace it
[12:49] <raphink> there could even be a system that would use the Debian repos and automatically build packages in an ubuntu pbuilder to check if Debian packages build well on Ubuntu
[12:50] <_osh> raphink: Go right ahead then. I'd like some updated packages in kubuntu... =)
[12:50] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: ubuntu packagers might like it ;)
[12:50] <raphink> _osh: you can package, too ;)
[12:50] <raphink> or work on merging
[12:50] <raphink> thing is, I'm a poor dev
[12:50] <raphink> ;)
[12:50] <_osh> raphink: I know. I do it for a living. RPM's, but still...
[12:50] <djk_> where can i find libqt3c102-mt ?
[12:50] <raphink> I would make it a bash script using a /tmp folder
[12:51] <raphink> djk_: `apt-cache search libqt3'
[12:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk: Installed openwengo?
[12:51] <raphink> see if something matches your wish
[12:51] <_osh> djk_: aptitude search libqt3
[12:51] <djk_> raphink: no c102 :(
[12:51] <raphink> djk_: did you try with apt-file ?
[12:52] <djk_> no
[12:52] <raphink> or with apt:/search?libqt3c102
[12:52] <raphink> if you have kio-apt installed
[12:52] <raphink> which is great :)
[12:52] <raphink> sorry apt:/fsearch?libqt3
[12:52] <raphink> using kio-apt
[12:53] <_osh> raphink: Is there a document somewhere on how to roll .deb-packages? Something like max-rpm but for debs?
[12:53] <raphink> you mean a howto for debian packages ?
[12:53] <raphink> there's tons of docs about that ;)
[12:54] <raphink> the main one that has to be read is the New Debian Maintainer's Guide 
[12:54] <raphink> _osh: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/index.en.html
[12:54] <djk_> raphink: and how would i use kio-apt?
[12:54] <raphink> then Debian Policy should be at least looked at : http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
[12:54] <raphink> install it djk_ 
[12:54] <raphink> from adept for ex
[12:54] <djk_> it is
[12:55] <raphink> it's installed ?
[12:55] <djk_> yes
[12:55] <raphink> then open konqueror and type `apt:/' as the url
[12:55] <raphink> ;)
[12:55] <raphink> and there you are
[12:56] <sander_> is the apt kio slave now part of the base kubuntu?
[12:57] <raphink> I don't think so sander_ 
[12:57] <Hobbsee> raphink: interesting links
[12:57] <djk_> raphink: well, it doesn't find it.
[12:57] <raphink> djk_: what does it say?
[12:57] <raphink> Hobbsee: essential links
[12:58] <djk_> *libqt3c102* not found
[12:58] <raphink> hmm
[12:58] <raphink> well then google for it
[12:58] <raphink> at least you learned to use kio-pat
[12:58] <raphink> which is nice
[01:00] <kairu0> hey all
[01:01] <Hobbsee> hey kairu0 
[01:01] <kairu0> whats up Hobbs
[01:04] <Hobbsee> reading the newspaper, chatting
[01:04] <kairu0> i'm busy putting off installing kubuntu again
[01:05] <kairu0> i had a nasty locale problem that i couldnt fix so i installed mepis but mepis didnt work well with my wifi card
[01:05] <kairu0> so i'll probably install kubuntu again :)
[01:06] <Hobbsee> kairu0: ah yes, dont remind me
[01:06] <Hobbsee> i've been happily putting off reinstalling 3 OS's
[01:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoa, three?
[01:07] <Hobbsee> yeah
[01:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Which ones? Linux, Windows and...?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> windows will wipe the rest - wiping windows to make it smaller, and not connect it to the net
[01:08] <Hobbsee> xp, breezy, dapper
[01:08] <Hobbsee> oh yes, dapper which i've irrecoverably screwed up anyway, so that needs a reinstall
[01:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Dapper, huh? Isn't it a bit early?
[01:08] <Hobbsee> all on a 40 gig hard drive
[01:08] <Hobbsee> testing release
[01:08] <kairu0> maybe i'll just stay in ubuntu for a while more
[01:08] <Hobbsee> it breaks...a lot lol....
[01:09] <Hobbsee> but it's interesting to watch, and then give up on for a while when i dont want to face it
[01:09] <djk_> is there a frontend for dosbox in the repos?
[01:10] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Is there a Linux frontend to dosbox to begin with?
[01:10] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: several
[01:10] <djk_> dosboxer, dboxfe
[01:11] <Hobbsee> kairu0: Rogue_Jedi_X the reason i'm putting it off is a lack of irc chat, or any other form of communication during the reinstall
[01:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Wow. I never knew. Anyways, do apt-cache search dosboxer and then the same with dboxfe
[01:14] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: well, those searches come back empty, of course. could be just my sources.list. either way. the dboxfe.deb requires libqt3c102-mt, which according to an ubuntuforum-thread would conflicht with ubuntus libqt3.. and the dosboxer.bin looks crappy
[01:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hobbsee: You could always make an audio interface to your modem and make weird beeps and chirps into it :P
[01:14] <djk_> s/conflicht/conflict
[01:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: You could compile it
[01:16] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i could but i'd rather not, considering that i just want to test them a little bit.
[01:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: The way I figure it's that or the crappy .bin you mentioned
[01:19] <Rogue_Jedi_X> dboxfe-0.0.5-deb-source.tar.gz <- What's that supposed to be?
[01:20] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: seems to be the sources for a deb package ?
[01:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm staying up too late again and it shows
[01:22] <djk_> heh, at least you're doing something useful. i just want to play some old crappy games ;)
[01:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Did you just call half of my games crappy? :P
[01:24] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: hehe, depends. what do you play?
[01:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Well, nothing lately since my old puter is in some warehouse god knows where. Otherwise, Syndicate Wars, Legend of Kyrandia and whatever strikes my fancy
[01:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, right. I'm close to finishing Leisure Suit Larry 7 too
[01:27] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: Syndicate Wars was a great game.
[01:28] <djk_> Larry..my hero :)
[01:28] <winblows> what's the default password for root?
[01:28] <djk_> winblows: there's none
[01:28] <winblows> so just leave it blank
[01:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> winblows: Whatever you set your user password to
[01:28] <winblows> k
[01:28] <djk_> eh, in fact, there's no root account..
[01:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Yeah, use sudo instead of su
[01:29] <winblows> as username?
[01:30] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i have quite a few old games, still hoping that i'll find a good old pc on ebay. rather disappointed with the games of today (for example civ4)
[01:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No, I mean instead of using su to gain superuser priviliges use sudo
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Civ4, bad? How come?
[01:31] <raphink> anyone knows how to get options in a bash script ?
[01:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Usually by adding -h or --help or -?
[01:32] <raphink> no I mean
[01:32] <raphink> when making a script
[01:32] <raphink> how do I get options that are entered
[01:32] <raphink> are they numbered or so
[01:32] <raphink> or do I have to grep them in $1 ?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> right...now, how to delete grub...
[01:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Uh, that's abit out of my league, sorry
[01:32] <raphink> ok
[01:33] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: whatever they released as final is a crappy beta.. countless bugs, countless graphics bugs. the game was released a month ago or so, they're already at patch v1.09 which btw causes even more problems
[01:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: So, it's Master of Orion III all over again?
[01:34] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: the game itself has a nice concept, nice features.. but i think they should start coding "Hello World" again...
[01:35] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i've never played Mastre of Orion III :-/
[01:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Just as well. Moo and Moo2 players didn't seem to happy with it
[01:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Still, there have been even buggier games. Ever play Tribes 2? The cumulative patch which includes 15 or so of them is 200 megs big
[01:41] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: there certainly have been buggy games.. and for some odd reason (greed perhaps?) they pump out buggy games for fun these days (fifa2006 being another one)
[01:41] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: civ4 also shipped with outdated and insecure python and zlib libraries
[01:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Agreed. That's why I find myself turning to indie and abandonware games
[01:43] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: me too, abandonware games are great.. ever noticed how there are no manager/adventure games anymore?
[01:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Some years ago, yes. It's all about FPS and strategy games these days. That's why I bought a PS2
[01:44] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: it's rather amusing that the old games had hardly ever any graphic bugs
[01:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Probably because noone rushed anyone at that time
[01:45] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: probably. also seems like the programmers back then cared more about the game 
[01:47] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: what specs does your abandonware-pc have?
[01:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Bingo. These days it's all about money. Even piracy was sometimes embraced, like id did when they released doom
[01:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Lessee. Pentium MMX 200 or 266, I can't remember. 96 MB RAM, 5 Gig HDD, Sound Blaster 16 / AWE 32 and some S3 card
[01:49] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: doom..what a game.. doom3 is by far the most overrated shooter in recent history
[01:49] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: the last good shooter was return to castle wolfenstein imho.
[01:49] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I beg to differ. I've played Halo :P
[01:49] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: hehe, okay, that i didnt play ;)
[01:50] <raphink> osh_: you're around?
[01:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I never did like WW2 or WW1 games. Same weapons, same color palette - brown, green, gray. It gets old quick-
[01:51] <raphink> I've got a v 0.1 of my demerge script ready ;)
[01:51] <raphink> anyone wants to try ?
[01:51] <osh_> raphink: yes
[01:51] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: but doom3 i had to cheat to end the agony of repeating rooms/levels. started cheating in level 13 or 14 hoping it would get better..it didn't. and what brilliant coding it was.. 90%of the screen black. scary innit.
[01:51] <raphink> osh_: wanna try my 0.1 of demerge ?
[01:52] <osh_> raphink: Not now. It's quite late here and I'm off to bed. I'll be around though. Ask me another time. :-)
[01:52] <raphink> ok sure
[01:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I still can't figure out how Gordon Freeman can have a flashlight built into his suit, while the marine in Doom3 has to HOLD his. And in the near future, no lsess
[01:52] <sophie_> djk_: can u image the people who upgraded their system to get the latest video card which renderred 90% black pixels!
[01:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *no less
[01:52] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: pretty much any shooter is the same. i liked dukenukem3d, delta force1+2, hexen, return to castle wolfenstein (best shooter AI i think)
[01:53] <djk_> sophie_: hehe, yea.
[01:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I like the Unreal and System Shock series myself, though the latter isn't exactly a 100% FPS
[01:54] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: oh yeah, the flashlight.. seems like the only purpose it served was so you would actually get attacked, considering that it took some time to change to a weapon.
[01:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Long story short the gaming industry is the pits these days. After the cancelation of the next Sam & Max game, Valve's implementation of their crap Steam system, the Doom3 fiasco and countless other events, I just stopped caring
[01:57] <yannz> :)
[01:57] <yannz> doom3 was a blast. (HAHA)
[01:57] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: do you have win98 or win95 on your old pc? or linux+wine?
[01:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Win95
[01:57] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Revision B, whatever that is
[01:59] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i think i stopped caring after C&C generals. 
[02:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: That game was a slap in the face. Suddenly C&C didn't play like C&C, but like a Blizzard game. Not that Blizzard games are bad, but there are enough *craft clones as is
[02:02] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: i didn't even finish mission 1.
[02:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: The last good strategy game I played was Starcraft. Warcraft III looked nice too, but I like the sci-fi theme better
[02:05] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: a friend of mine won a national starcraft-tournament with his team :)
[02:08] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: do you play something online?
[02:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Mostly atlantik
[02:08] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: I suck at online FPS and RTS games
[02:10] <swtbriar> Ahoy?
[02:10] <swtbriar> Anyone able to uh... tell ubotu to tell me about codecs?  I dunno how his commands work.
[02:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Let's see now
[02:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> ubotu: w32 codecs
[02:11] <ubotu> somebody said w32 codecs was binary only codecs that some call evil. You can get them by going to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats, and looking for "The Codecs". Another possible download location is http://seveas.ubuntu.nl/
[02:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There.
[02:11] <swtbriar> Win!
[02:12] <swtbriar> Thanks
[02:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> No prob
[02:12] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: never played RTS online, only FPS. isn't atlantik like monopoly?
[02:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Yeah, it's a client for the monopd servers. They let you play classic monopoly, british monopoly and some flavors I've never even heard about
[02:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: People mostly play classic, though
[02:14] <djk_> Rogue_Jedi_X: what's british monopoly? british streetnames?
[02:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> djk_: Nah, the board's different too. There are two banks instead of one (start), but they each give you half as much money and that's about all I can remember, since I only played it once. Also, I think some properties come in sets of five
[02:25] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: you wanna try my tool?
[02:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Sure.
[02:26] <raphink> I'll send you the package in a minute
[02:26] <raphink> :)
[02:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Kewl
[02:27] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: DCC
[02:27] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Got it
[02:28] <raphink> oops
[02:28] <raphink> ;)
[02:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Okay, so... How do I use it?
[02:28] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: tell me what you think of it
[02:28] <raphink> well first install it ;)
[02:28] <raphink> @ your own risk, needless to say
[02:28] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm past that :P
[02:28] <raphink> haha
[02:29] <raphink> you can isntall it by running
[02:29] <raphink> dpkg -i $package
[02:29] <Rogue_Jedi_X> dpkg -i etc etc? Done.
[02:29] <raphink> well then
[02:29] <raphink> you must have a demerge command now
[02:29] <raphink> run 
[02:29] <raphink> man demerge
[02:29] <raphink> or 
[02:29] <raphink> demerge --help
[02:29] <raphink> :)
[02:29] <raphink> it's not very complete so far 
[02:30] <raphink> I've done the man in 2 minutes
[02:30] <raphink> lol
[02:30] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Okay so, I suppose I need a source tarball now?
[02:31] <raphink> no
[02:31] <raphink> you need sources repos
[02:31] <raphink> which are activated by default
[02:31] <raphink> it doesn't install debs
[02:31] <raphink> it installs using apt-get
[02:31] <raphink> but using sources instead of binaries
[02:31] <raphink> so for example
[02:31] <raphink> if you run
[02:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, right. The deb-src repos
[02:32] <raphink> hmm
[02:32] <raphink> demerge konversation
[02:32] <raphink> yep
[02:32] <raphink> it builds in a temporary directory in /tmp
[02:32] <raphink> so don't worry it won't put lots of files all around ;)
[02:32] <raphink> it should be clean ;)
[02:32] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cool, I'll try it. Something else though, because, well... Try /ctcp version on me ;)
[02:33] <raphink> hmmm
[02:33] <raphink> don't get anything
[02:33] <raphink> I guess you blocked it
[02:33] <raphink> ;)
[02:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Whoops. Well, I use konversation :P
[02:34] <raphink> good :)
[02:34] <raphink> that was just an example though
[02:34] <raphink> you can use any program ;)
[02:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I know, I'm downloading kvirc now
[02:34] <raphink> just as long as you have a deb-src repo to find it on
[02:34] <_green-mouse> Hi all, i install Kubuntu from Dapper Flight 1 cd... Now then want upgrade KDE to 3.5, i use "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it not upgrade my KDE, what i need to do?
[02:35] <raphink> _green-mouse: if you can't answer this question alone, then the dapper CD is not for you
[02:35] <raphink> Dapper is not stable yet
[02:35] <raphink> it is still in development
[02:35] <freeflying> _green-mouse: just do apt-get update
[02:36] <_green-mouse> raphink: i have linux expirence....
[02:36] <raphink> freeflying: KDE 3.5 has entered Dapper as main ?
[02:36] <raphink> _green-mouse: fine then ;)
[02:36] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: This may seem like a noobish question, but why are the deb-src repos there? I've never seen apt use them
[02:36] <freeflying> raphink: some packages is 3.5b now in dapper
[02:36] <raphink> oh nice
[02:37] <_green-mouse> freeflying: not this is not my problem....
[02:37] <raphink> ic Riddell has been working a lot lately again ;)
[02:37] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: they're there to be used as my script does :p
[02:37] <raphink> so you can get them, study them, build them, port them
[02:37] <freeflying> raphink: I do a fresh install of dapper , and count some problems
[02:37] <_green-mouse> raphink: ok, u don whant to help me
[02:38] <raphink> yep freeflying 
[02:38] <raphink> I have a dapper install with pbs too
[02:38] <raphink> this is a fresh breezy though
[02:38] <raphink> and I'm not planning to get it to dapper now
[02:38] <raphink> I'll just keep a dapper pbuilder so far ;)
[02:38] <_green-mouse> raphink: just tell if old kde packages works with 3.5?
[02:38] <raphink> _green-mouse: sure
[02:38] <raphink> _green-mouse: what exactly do you want ?
[02:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Not finished with make yet, but so far, I'm impressed
[02:39] <freeflying> raphink: I use daily cd , and now I can not use apt-get to do anything now 
[02:39] <raphink> freeflying: argh :(
[02:39] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: what package did you choose ? :)
[02:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: kvirc
[02:39] <raphink> _green-mouse: did you have a look at the KDE 3.5 announcement on kubuntu.org ?
[02:39] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: nice :)
[02:40] <raphink> without the option I guess ;)
[02:40] <raphink> since you might not have a pbuilder installed ;)
[02:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: I'm gonna kick its rear off my puter as soon as it's done installing, though ;)
[02:40] <_green-mouse> raphink: yes, why apt kept back my old kde packages?
[02:40] <raphink> did you run a dist-upgrade _green-mouse ?
[02:41] <_green-mouse> raphink: yes
[02:41] <raphink> and it kept some packages ?
[02:41] <_green-mouse> raphink: yes
[02:41] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: This tool is awesome! This means that I can get some broken packages fixed like Kaffeine by making this baby compile them for me
[02:41] <raphink> then it must be a matter of unmet dependencies
[02:41] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: yep exactly ;)
[02:42] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: and the --pbuilder option will be useful for maintainers to easily check if debian packages can be merged 
[02:42] <freeflying>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 1
[02:42] <freeflying> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:42] <freeflying>  cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[02:42] <freeflying> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:42] <freeflying> A package failed to install.  Trying to recover:
[02:42] <raphink> freeflying: wanna try my new toy on this package ? :)
[02:42] <laszlok> anyone else running dapper?
[02:43] <freeflying> raphink: which one
[02:43] <raphink> I just made a script that I called demerge
[02:43] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hm, everyone seems to be trigger-hapy with Dapper already
[02:43] <raphink> I'm uploading it on my repo now
[02:44] <djk_> raphink: ex-gentooer?
[02:44] <raphink> freeflying: it's basically a tool to fetch/build/install deb sources
[02:44] <raphink> djk_: no but what it does just looks like emerge to me
[02:44] <raphink> so I'm giving tribute to it ;)
[02:44] <djk_> hehe. sounds useful :)
[02:44] <freeflying> raphink: let me have a look 
[02:45] <raphink> I'll upload it
[02:45] <raphink> give me one minute
[02:45] <freeflying> Setting up cupsys-driver-gimpprint (4.2.7-10) ...
[02:45] <freeflying> No Gimp-Print PPD files to update.
[02:45] <freeflying>  * Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd                                                                                                            dpkg: error processing cupsys-driver-gimpprint (--configure):
[02:45] <freeflying>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[02:45] <freeflying> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:45] <freeflying>  cupsys-driver-gimpprint
[02:45] <freeflying> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[02:45] <freeflying> anyone can give  suggestion
[02:45] <raphink> freeflying: 
[02:46] <djk_> freeflying: ever wondered what pastebin.com might be?
[02:46] <raphink> deb http://raphink.free.fr/packages ./
[02:46] <raphink> deb-src http://raphink.free.fr/packages ./
[02:46] <raphink> that's my own repo
[02:46] <raphink> and (most) packages are built for dapper
[02:46] <raphink> freeflying: get demerge_0.1
[02:48] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: if you add my deb-src repo, you can run `demerge demerge'
[02:48] <raphink> hehe
[02:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: You should get this baby into the normal repos. After a while maybe, who knows? Maybe it'll become another backend for adept?
[02:48] <freeflying> raphink: I can not install anything
[02:48] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: I'll work a bit on it and try to have it in universe first
[02:48] <raphink> freeflying: why?
[02:49] <raphink> freeflying: its just a bin, there's no conf file, nothing but a bin in /usr/bin
[02:49] <raphink> so once tested you can safely remove it 
[02:49] <Knowerrors> Anyone here ever use Linspire?
[02:50] <raphink> ...
[02:50] <raphink> o_O
[02:50] <raphink> who dares talking about linspire here?
[02:50] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nope, costs money. And I'm poor
[02:50] <djk_> wasn't linspire once free?
[02:50] <freeflying> raphink: ii need devel packages
[02:50] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: I'm having fun trying `demerge demerge'
[02:50] <raphink> freeflying: ?
[02:51] <raphink> ok well
[02:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: That....me....makes.....hard.......think......GAH!!
[02:51] <raphink> I'm having lots of fun but it's 2:50AM now
[02:51] <raphink> lol
[02:51] <raphink> so I should go to bed
[02:51] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: lol
[02:51] <Knowerrors> I got a free copy
[02:51] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Me too, it's 3 AM already o_O
[02:51] <Knowerrors> they had a special goin on
[02:51] <Knowerrors> its not for me
[02:51] <raphink> Knowerrors: good4you
[02:52] <Knowerrors> but for the Grandfather
[02:52] <raphink> I woudln't use linspire
[02:52] <freeflying> raphink: before use demerge , it need config pbuilder 
[02:52] <raphink> even a free copy
[02:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Thanks for a great tool and may I say that I a m honored to be one of the first to try it
[02:52] <raphink> people who treat Debian like a whore like this
[02:52] <raphink> beah 
[02:52] <Knowerrors> need a super easy Windows replacement, that I don't have to mess with training him or setup/config
[02:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> And I should learn to proofread
[02:52] <raphink> :p
[02:52] <raphink> you are THE first Rogue_Jedi_X ;)
[02:52] <raphink> after myself
[02:52] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Woo! Go me ;)
[02:52] <raphink> freeflying: you need not pbuilder in order to use demerge 
[02:53] <raphink> unless you use the --pbuilder option
[02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Good night y'all
[02:53] <raphink> use kubuntu Knowerrors 
[02:53] <djk_> night Rogue_Jedi_X 
[02:53] <raphink> night
[02:53] <raphink> I'm going too
[02:53] <raphink> bubbye
[02:53] <djk_> night raphink 
[02:53] <raphink> :)
[02:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Nighty night, raphink 
[02:54] <Knowerrors> raphink: I do use kubuntu, but Ive been using linux for about a year and know it well, I need a distro for my Grandfathers computer that is ultra easy
[02:54] <Knowerrors> getting Kubuntu all setup for him and training would be a hastle
[02:54] <djk_> Knowerrors: Suse, Fedora, K/ubuntu ?
[02:55] <Knowerrors> tried Suse (1cd install) haven't tried Fedora, too many cds... Kubuntu is ok, but the time involved to download all the extra codecs and plugins over a modem kills it
[02:56] <Knowerrors> dialup that is
[02:56] <Knowerrors> wish there was a Kubuntu Extras CD
[02:56] <djk_> Knowerrors: heh, you'll have to get the codecs for any other distro as well..
[02:56] <Knowerrors> that would make it perfect
[02:57] <Knowerrors> acutally, no, Linspire comes with them all, as does Xandros, being paid distros
[02:57] <Knowerrors> PClinux OS, Mepis, many other freee distros ship with all msfonts, codecs, plugins, whether its Ok or not
[02:57] <Knowerrors> Id pay for a linux distro thats fast like Kubuntu with good community
[02:58] <Knowerrors> if it came pre set up and configured
[02:58] <Hobbsee> hey again all...
[02:58] <Knowerrors> Id like to see Canotical buyup Xandros and Linspire and form a ad-suported version and paid version that was more integrated and setup
[02:59] <Knowerrors> oh, and a Yast like config tool for Debian Id pay for
[02:59] <djk_> Knowerrors: you know you'll have to teach your grandfather anyway.
[02:59] <djk_> Knowerrors: so it shouldn't really matter which distro you use for him
[02:59] <Knowerrors> yeah, Only reason I looked at Linspire was because of all their Flash tutorials that come with it
[03:00] <Knowerrors> and the features of it are very integrated...
[03:00] <Knowerrors> their Lsongs and Lphoto
[03:00] <djk_> Knowerrors: were they different than other flash tutorials? shinier? nicer? flashier?
[03:01] <Knowerrors> I don't know of any other Flash tutorials in Linux ( theyre not about Flash, they are flash movies showing you how to use linspire and all its programs)
[03:01] <djk_> ah..
[03:03] <Knowerrors> Its made for someone who knows windows (my grandfather knows win2000) to migrate them to linux quickly
[03:03] <djk_> Knowerrors: why migrate anyway?
[03:06] <Knowerrors> the copy of win2000 theyre running is a copy of a copy, "borrowed" install
[03:06] <Knowerrors> and the best free software is Linux...
[03:06] <djk_> and you're scared that big billy comes to get you?
[03:06] <Knowerrors> and he wants to do photo editing and artwork, and can't afford to buy all the programs and a new computer with legit WinXP
[03:07] <Knowerrors> not scared :) just getting my moral closet cleaned up a little
[03:07] <djk_> morals..pah ;)
[03:07] <luxoculta> hey guys 
[03:09] <Knowerrors> djk_: plus if I tweak his box, I can make it run alot faster than on windows
[03:09] <djk_> Knowerrors: just use whatever will be easier/more comfortable.. I'd pick kubuntu or gentoo
[03:11] <Knowerrors> Ive never used Gentoo, I was looking at RR4 for a while, is Gentoo really as hard (the hardest) Linux to setup and use?
[03:12] <djk_> Knowerrors: as hard as what? gentoo isn't that difficult, but compiling takes some time.
[03:13] <djk_> Knowerrors: then again, any linux is rather simple if you know how to read.
[03:14] <Knowerrors> see, his box is 466mhz, so Id figure compiling stuff on it will take waaaay too long
[03:14] <Knowerrors> for the benfit will not be that great, I assume
[03:15] <luxoculta> guys im having trouble with an ati x300 in kubuntu
[03:16] <luxoculta> can you give m a help
[03:17] <luxoculta> is there any one?
[03:21] <arg|bx> hiyas, anyone awak?
[03:22] <Hobbsee> arg|bx: yes
[03:22] <arg|bx> i'm in the midst of installing kubuntu, it looks like it wants to eat my partition table for dinner
[03:22] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:22] <arg|bx> hi Hobbsee 
[03:22] <Hobbsee> partitioner is fun!
[03:22] <Hobbsee> tried hitting manual partition?
[03:23] <arg|bx> well, i'm not sure what you are referring to
[03:23] <arg|bx> all i need to do is format the partitions and tell the installer what to do with them, as the partitions are already made
[03:23] <arg|bx> but it wants to check and resize every partition (?!)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> there's an option at the bottom, saying manual partition
[03:23] <Hobbsee> you shouldnt need to resize...
[03:24] <arg|bx> let me get the error text
[03:24] <arg|bx> i'm at the "finish partitioning and write changes to the disk" stage
[03:25] <arg|bx> Hobbsee: is the manual parition spot before this?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, it is, it sounds like you're already in the manual partition section
[03:26] <arg|bx> i'm in 'expert' install, if that gives you a clue
[03:27] <Knowerrors> Anyone know a good cheap place to get PC100 SDRAM?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's a manual partition then, i expect
[03:28] <Hobbsee> why not delete all the partitions and start again?
[03:28] <arg|bx> ok, so i select finish, and it starts flashing up a dialog i can't see, and then stops with a "the ext2 filesystem passed a basic check" box 
[03:29] <arg|bx> i do this for each parition until 11, and then it complains about a weird layout, and says that 11 fails the check
[03:29] <arg|bx> i don't delete all the paritions because it would destroy my already installed and working debian installation :)
[03:30] <arg|bx> "not yet implemented. the ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout! parted can't resize this (yet)"
[03:31] <arg|bx> so i wonder, why is parted considering this partition for resizing?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> ah,  i see
[03:34] <arg|bx> is the partitioner actually going to resize partitions i haven't asked it to touch?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> it shouldnt do
[03:36] <drumline> Is there a services manager in Ubuntu similar to the way SUSE does it?
[03:45] <luxoculta> guys is there a linux help channel in irc?
[03:46] <drumline> there's one on freenode, yes.  There's also another one on EFnet.
[03:46] <drumline> do a channel search for "linux"
[03:47] <_rcmn> luxoculta zhat are u looking for exactly ?
[03:48] <luxoculta> i need some help installing and probind ati drivers under kubuntu
[03:48] <luxoculta> in having problems in gameplying
[03:48] <_rcmn> i have time and i hve done it couple time 
[03:48] <luxoculta> thanks 
[03:49] <luxoculta> i have an amd 64 3000+
[03:49] <luxoculta> an ati x300
[03:49] <_rcmn> arg
[03:49] <_rcmn> ok 
[03:49] <luxoculta> kubuntu is i386
[03:50] <_rcmn> i don't know much about proc64 
[03:50] <_rcmn> but maybe it won't be too different 
[03:50] <luxoculta> and about ati's drivers
[03:50] <_rcmn> iyep i know ati i had to deal with ##! for a long time 
[03:51] <luxoculta> im really tired of googling for something 
[03:51] <_rcmn> i know 
[03:51] <_rcmn> ok so wait a minute 
[03:51] <_rcmn> i have to go to an other pc
[03:51] <luxoculta> have you tryied the new installer?
[03:51] <_rcmn> nop 
[03:51] <_rcmn> hold on for a sec
[03:52] <luxoculta> ok
[03:52] <madd_matt> i'm new to kubuntu, but i was wondering about apt-get -- i tried apt-get install dnsmasq, but it didn't find a package, does kubuntu not use the same packages as ubuntu?  because i clearly see it listed on packages.ubuntu.com
[03:52] <luxoculta> let me give it a try
[03:52] <rcmn> back 
[03:53] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, you'll need to enable universe
[03:53] <rcmn> well on ubuntu it's not that hard
[03:53] <madd_matt> seth_k|lappy: and i do this how?
[03:53] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, open Konsole and type: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, remove 4 # signs, one each from 4 lines that contain the word "universe"
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, then save the file, close kate, and in Konsole type: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install dnsmasq
[03:54] <seth_k|lappy> :)
[03:54] <luxoculta> hey madd matt
[03:55] <luxoculta> i have then in a univers repo
[03:55] <luxoculta> rcmn
[03:55] <luxoculta> do you play games in linux
[03:55] <luxoculta>  ?
[03:56] <rcmn> yep
[03:56] <luxoculta> so tell me about the drivers tweaking
[03:57] <rcmn> http://wiki.ubuntu-fr.org/materiel/ati
[03:57] <rcmn> ok it's in french 
[03:57] <madd_matt> this is kinda cool -- kubuntu worked almost completely out of the box.  Mind you, this is the amazement of a former gentoo user.  although the no root user by default thing is somewhat irritating
[03:57] <luxoculta> im portuguse
[03:58] <rcmn> your comming from gentoo also madd_matt
[03:58] <sophie_> madd_matt: if you where able to setup gentoo than kubuntu is going to be like putting gas in a car  compared to rebuilding an engine
[03:58] <rcmn> how do u feel of not having to recompile or troubleshoot every 5 min u're ,change make.conf/
[03:59] <madd_matt> it has been :P  although i'm already itching to recompile my kernel =)
[03:59] <rcmn> freak
[03:59] <rcmn> lol
[04:00] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, no-root is for your own good, but see wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo for a better explanation
[04:00] <sophie_> madd_matt: why recompile for 1% performance gain? smaller footprint?
[04:00] <rcmn> luxoculta can u use the howto or not ?
[04:01] <madd_matt> mainly to cut boot time down
[04:02] <madd_matt> loading excess modules etc takes a good 10-20 seconds more
[04:02] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, if you want to cut boot time, change to initNG
[04:02] <sophie_> madd_matt: I rebootabout once a month here so no need for me
[04:02] <seth_k|lappy> madd_matt, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=525975
[04:02] <madd_matt> btw, is there a script to save and load IPtables rules automatically?
[04:02] <madd_matt> i only ever reboot to install a new kernel anyways, so i suppose it doesn't matter
[04:04] <luxoculta> i think that i can 
[04:06] <rcmn> good
[04:08] <rcmn> hey luxoculta have u look at this http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
[04:08] <rcmn> there is info for 64 bit
[04:08] <argonel> what version of the d-i does 5.10 use?
[04:10] <madd_matt> whats the kubuntu recommended way to install the nvidia binary drivers?  do they exist in apt?
[04:10] <madd_matt> also, is there a pretend-install command? so i can see what packages are going to be pulled as dependancies, etc?
[04:11] <drumline> alright... where are services started in ubuntu?
[04:14] <luxoculta> telme something 
[04:15] <madd_matt> yo, why is port 631 open on my default configuration? and port 32770?
[04:15] <luxoculta> tel me something  "clavier" means keyboard, right?
[04:15] <rcmn> yep 
[04:15] <madd_matt> *has terrible flashbacks to last time somebody spoke french to me
[04:15] <rcmn> but i think i found http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584 that for u 
[04:16] <madd_matt> *this morning
[04:16] <rcmn> and there is onfo about 64 bit
[04:16] <rcmn> ha ouai et dans quel circonstance 
[04:16] <rcmn> madd_matt
[04:17] <rcmn> lol kjcole
[04:18] <luxoculta> hey im going to try the second one... ok?
[04:19] <madd_matt> in network connections, when i click administrator mode it just goes blank
[04:19] <madd_matt> i think i may have messzored it up by enabling the root account :$ (And then disabling it!)
[04:20] <rcmn> kk
[04:21] <drumline> hey folks.. .does Ubuntu have a SUSE Yast equivalent?
[04:21] <rcmn> apt
[04:22] <drumline> apt does all the things that yast does, including setting network settings?
[04:22] <Knowerrors> no
[04:22] <rcmn> use if u need a gui ADEPT for kDE or synaptic for Gnome
[04:22] <Knowerrors> apt is only package management
[04:22] <sophie_> drumline: apt is for software only
[04:22] <Knowerrors> theres no equivalent hardware setup tool for k/ubuntu
[04:22] <drumline> i thought so. 
[04:23] <drumline> ok
[04:23] <Knowerrors> or for Debian... except for what Libranet has
[04:23] <drumline> that's fine...   I'm used to command line anyway...  
[04:23] <luxoculta> i ll be back
[04:24] <drumline> Yast had a neat way of managing servers that were running through the GUI.. is there anything like that in Ubuntu?
[04:24] <luxoculta> restarting Xserver
[04:24] <sebastian> hola
[04:24] <rcmn> kk
[04:24] <sebastian> que tal????
[04:24] <sebastian> tengo una pregunta
[04:24] <rcmn> ok vas y 
[04:25] <sebastian> a ver si se les ocurre que puede ser
[04:25] <sebastian> resulta que tengo problemas con lo que marca mi temperatura
[04:25] <sophie_> drumline: GUI? what do u mean running server gui
[04:25] <sebastian> se que no es la real
[04:25] <sebastian> me dice que el procesador esta a 70 grados
[04:25] <sebastian> lo cual no es verdad de acuerdo a la bios
[04:25] <drumline> sophie: yeah... that didn't come out right.   In Yast, there is a way to manage running services.
[04:26] <sebastian> pues por lo general esta a 30 grados menos de los que marca
[04:26] <sebastian> alguna idea?? tengo los lm-sensors
[04:26] <sebastian> y ademas, los acp instalados
[04:26] <rcmn> yep sorry i know yast only for pakage management 
[04:26] <sebastian> pero ambos marcan la misma temperatura
[04:26] <sophie_> sebastian: do you want to disable services at boot
[04:26] <WolfManz611> does it matter if all partions on the driver were set to primary when doing the install for Kubuntu? 
[04:27] <sophie_> drumline: do you want to disable services at boot
[04:27] <drumline> sebastian: necesita un ventilador nuevo
[04:27] <WolfManz611> does it matter if all partitions on the drive were set to primary when doing the install for Kubuntu? 
[04:27] <drumline> sophie: I'm curious if there's a GUI method of managing the services. 
[04:27] <sophie_> well theres one based on curse for services
[04:27] <drumline> wolf: no.  
[04:28] <drumline> wolf: the active partition will be the one that gets booted.
[04:28] <drumline> wolf: there's a flag that is set in the partition table to make 1 partition the active one.
[04:28] <drumline> sophie: cool!  what's it called?
[04:28] <WolfManz611> drumline thanks ok next question i have a ati 9800 pro in this thing are thier drivers for that that i need to install?
[04:29] <sophie_> drumline: give me sec i ofrgot
[04:29] <drumline> wolf: not sure...  usually, there are drivers, so have a look through the website.  :)
[04:29] <sebastian> this problem is not a fan, because the bios say 40C, but lm-sensors 70C, is problem with the sensors
[04:29] <rcmn> wolf:http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=423584
[04:30] <drumline> sophie: k thx
[04:31] <rcmn> sophie:are utalking of the ksysguard ?
[04:31] <WolfManz611> thanks rcmn
[04:31] <drumline> sophie: One thing that annoyed me with SUSE is that you need to run SUSEconfig after you make a change in the start up services...   That's a little too much for me.
[04:33] <rcmn> drumline : have u look at the system service in the system settings
[04:33] <sophie_> drumline: sysvconfig
[04:34] <drumline> rcmn: system settings?
[04:34] <drumline> sophie: thanks!
[04:34] <rcmn> yep u're using kde
[04:34] <rcmn> kubuntu
[04:34] <sophie_> drumline: systemsettings is graphical and requires x
[04:34] <rcmn> yep 
[04:35] <rcmn> it's part of the KDE "suite" 
[04:35] <rcmn> lol
[04:35] <drumline> ahh.. there it is
[04:35] <rcmn> yep 
[04:35] <sophie_> drumline: you are going to find that very litle needs to be turned off because ubuntu does not install lots of crap compared to redhat and suse
[04:35] <drumline> sweet...  there are some equivalents to YAST.
[04:36] <sophie_> yep kcontrol
[04:36] <drumline> yeah... I just wanted some easy ways to manipulate the settings.  I, of course, want to know the basics behind the scenes, but when administering something, I want to get shit done with a GUI.
[04:36] <sophie_> drumline: what do u want to configure network?
[04:37] <drumline> sweet...  there are system services
[04:37] <rcmn> yep 
[04:37] <rcmn> easy to set up 
[04:37] <drumline> ok.  My affinity for Ubuntu is growing  :)
[04:37] <rcmn> like win$
[04:38] <rcmn> oupss
[04:38] <drumline> sweet...  and OpenLDAP was automagically added to the list of services...   very nice.
[04:38] <drumline> OK.  I will give this an official try..  thanks folks  :)
[04:39] <drumline> ...and if any of you haven't tried the "joe" text editor, it's a must-have.  :)
[04:42] <sophie_> drumline: try nano
[04:43] <WolfManz611> what do i edit to get the resolution on startup down to 1024 by 768 instead of 1600 by 1200?
[04:46] <sophie_> WolfManz611: i beleibve if you logout kde session and reboot screen resolution is saved
[04:48] <drumline> sophie: I have used pico quite a bit in the past...  I discovered Joe shortly thereafter and it was love  :)
[04:49] <sophie_> drumline: one advatage of joe is syntax higligting wich nano does not have
[04:49] <drumline> pico is pretty much the same as nano, I think.
[04:50] <drumline> Yeah.. .that highlighting is pretty cool
[04:50] <drumline> plus, I'm able to manage multiple files very easily and quickly in joe...  as long as joe is still available, there's no reason to change.  
[04:57] <sophie_> drumline: for multiple consolesw with one remote login account have a look at screen
[05:04] <drumline> sophie: oh yeah... screen is awesome
[05:17] <WolfManz611> What would cause me to get DCOP error abouth the DCOP server not running?
[05:17] <drumline> what is a DCOP server?
[05:19] <WolfManz611> beats the hell out of me lol i just know my root password dont seem to be getting me into the login manger so i can change stuff. 
[05:19] <drumline> it's refused my root password a few times on the GUI also.  Change your root password to something short and try it.
[05:19] <WolfManz611> This was working about an hour ago and the only thing i have touched was configuring X and then checked to see if the hard drive was working right
[05:19] <WolfManz611> this is short
[05:20] <drumline> change it from the command line and try it again.
[05:20] <WolfManz611> and its not telling me the password is wrong its just not doing anything when it gets t
[05:20] <WolfManz611> it
[05:22] <drumline> it's gotta be a bug.  I'd recommend reporting it to the Ubuntu team so they can get to fixing it quickly.
[05:23] <drumline> just make sure that it actually is a bug and check your caps lock and all the other stupid things that could be done before reporting it  :)
[05:39] <stupendo44> what's the easiest way to combine two large files?
[05:39] <sophie_> stupendo44: how large
[05:39] <drumline> how largE?
[05:39] <stupendo44> 400mb
[05:40] <mpm2> anyone use getmail?
[05:40] <sophie_> stupendo44: use cat
[05:40] <stupendo44> ok, I just saw something about it, I'll try it
[05:41] <drumline> stupen: what did you see?
[05:41] <drumline> man page for split sucks ass
[05:42] <sophie_> stupendo44: cat file1 file2 > newfile
[05:43] <sophie_> stupendo44: did that work
[05:43] <stupendo44> sophie_: appears to have, let me just try it in thunderbird. it was an inbox
[05:43] <drumline> cat will certainly work, but I thought there was a program that specifically had that function.
[05:44] <QMario> How do I use the Linksys WUSB11 for my KUbuntu system?
[05:44] <QMario> !Wireless
[05:44] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, wireless is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCards
[05:44] <sophie_> QMario: WUSB works on osx86 so it should work on linux just google
[05:45] <stupendo44> sophie_: woohoo!! it worked
[05:45] <QMario> I found this site, but it doesn't work"
[05:45] <QMario> http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Linksys_WUSB11?highlight=%28Linksys%29
[05:45] <QMario> s/"/:
[05:45] <stupendo44> sophie_: you have no idea all I have done for the last few days. It was actually a little dumb to ask here, since I found the answer as soon as you told me
[05:45] <QMario> When I come to the "make" step, I receive errors, but I will take your advice.
[05:45] <stupendo44> with the cat command, does >> append rather than something else?
[05:45] <sophie_> stupendo44: why was your file splited?
[05:46] <stupendo44> had to use a disk editor to recover the file piece by piece. 29 pieces
[05:46] <stupendo44> had to follow the file through the fat
[05:47] <sophie_> cat fil2 >> file1 will append file2 to file1
[05:48] <sophie_> stupendo44: i told u to use cat file1 file2 > newfile to be safe
[05:48] <stupendo44> sophie_: right, obviously I wasn't going to overwrite one of my files
[05:48] <stupendo44> I already have 2 backup copies just in case
[05:49] <stupendo44> wasn't going to make any mistakes this time
[05:49] <stupendo44> it was actually my fault originally. Had a drive hooked up without realizing it, and detroyed the partition table and part of the fat
[05:49] <stupendo44> GetDataBack is what I usually use, but it didn't find the inbox or the address book for some reason
[05:49] <sophie_> but iff you have multipart you can do filec >> fileb >> filea and takes less space and now filea is the comlete file
[05:50] <stupendo44> part of the fat seems to be corrupted, so the disk editor couldn't easily recover the inbox
[05:50] <stupendo44> but all the data was intact, so I was able to follow it through and save each piece
[05:50] <stupendo44> took about an hour, but I didn't know this much about hard drives and fat's. I've learned an awful lot about this stuff over the past few days
[05:51] <sophie_> stupendo44: u usd linux to restore files form a fat partion how ironic
[05:51] <stupendo44> I forgot to recover sent items folder, so I have to go back and do that
[05:52] <stupendo44> sophie_: well, actually I didn't really use linux, I used the Ultimate Boot CD for Windows, because I didn't see a comparable disk editor that I liked for linux
[05:52] <drumline> stupen: I've heard that you can take binary chunks of the raw hard drive data and run it through scanpst.exe and it'll pull out your messages.
[05:52] <stupendo44> maybe I'll have to write one
[05:52] <stupendo44> only if it's outlook. like I would use that...
[05:52] <stupendo44> actually this customer is using thunderbird
[05:53] <stupendo44> I knew the whole file was on the drive because I hadn't really overwritten anything... except a little accident that was partially windows' fault. Somehow it has a need to write the system restore directory to any drive it detects
[05:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> hi!
[05:58] <Tallia1Kubuntu> how to install ubuntu in a laptop that don't have a cdrom?
[06:01] <PokerFacePenguin> Tallia1Kubuntu: Network it to a computer that does perhaps? 
[06:04] <QMario> Why is it that whenever I click Administration Mode in a System Setting and type in the correct password, I cannot get in?
[06:04] <drumline> is the floppy supposed to auto-mount in ubuntu?
[06:04] <drumline> ...when I access the floppy from media:/
[06:05] <crimsun> Tallia1Kubuntu: if the computer can boot over the network (netboot/pxe), then use that method
[06:05] <CarstenP> Tallia1Kubuntu: Has the computer a disk-drive? Boot from floppy, and then Internet - install? I dont know if it is possible, but I could imagine.
[06:06] <QMario> How come I get kicked out of Administration Mode?!
[06:09] <seth_k|lappy> QMario, the fix is in breezy-updates
[06:09] <seth_k|lappy> enable that repo and use Adept Updater
[06:10] <QMario> Seth, the problem is that I am trying to get on the Internet using the Linksys WUSB11, but that doesn't work either.
[06:11] <QMario> I am so angry right now, but I will try to update later in the week. :(
[06:15] <Tallia1Kubuntu> tnx
[06:19] <_texas> heya
[06:20] <_texas> trying to set my system clock to 12hour instead of 24 hour any ideas?
[06:24] <drumline> I'm trying to mount a msdos floppy and am having trouble.  I'm using: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /media/mnt and I get /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device.  fdmount reports: can't access /fd0..    
[06:24] <drumline> can somebody correct me on this please?
[06:25] <crimsun> you should be able to just pmount /dev/floppy
[06:25] <drumline> there's no /dev/floppy
[06:25] <crimsun> what's the floppy line in your /etc/fstab?
[06:26] <drumline> /dev/fd0
[06:26] <drumline> pmount /dev/fd0
[06:26] <drumline> mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device
[06:27] <drumline> oh brother... 
[06:27] <crimsun> then it's just not valid
[06:28] <drumline> heh...  
[06:28] <crimsun> don't pass it -t msdos
[06:28] <drumline> holy shit... it worked
[06:28] <drumline> sweet..  
[06:28] <drumline> thar she blows
[06:38] <nalioth> drumline: this is not the locker room
[06:39] <drumline> nalioth: not locker room talk :)
[06:40] <nalioth> 23:28 < drumline> holy sh**... it worked     <<<< and this is the vernacular of high society?
[06:41] <drumline> I never claimed to be of high society.
[06:42] <nalioth> !CoC
[06:42] <ubotu> somebody said coc was the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere. You can find the Code of Conduct at http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/conduct/
[06:42] <drumline> broken link
[06:43] <drumline> opp.. there it goes
[06:44] <drumline> alright... the COC covers personal attacks.  I wasn't personally attacking.   If you feel threatened, that's another story.
[06:47] <nalioth> drumline: let us leave the locker room talk in the locker room, please
[06:49] <thompa> where is locker room?
[06:50] <thompa> seems the ndiswrapper wont work
[06:50] <drumline> nalioth: I disagree.  Sorry.   I wasn't personally attacking anyone and I was expressing myself.
[06:51] <thompa> i could not boot got kernel panic, luckily i just turned off switch and it booted then i removed it from modules
[06:51] <thompa> so im back to using ipw2200, which only works if battery is fully charged
[06:52] <thompa> do you think this is acpi kernel related?
[06:53] <thompa> if i start out fully charged i have wireless, unplugged even at 100% no wireless
[06:53] <jhealey> yello all
[06:53] <thompa> heippa!
[06:55] <jhealey> anyone have trouble with setting up NFS or filesharing using the GUI in Kubuntu 5.1
[06:56] <thompa> !acpi
[06:56] <ubotu> thompa: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[06:56] <thompa> should be an entry for that
[06:58] <thompa> jhealey: i had some time ago on ubuntu
[06:59] <thompa> it kept trying to add mshome or something,
[07:00] <thompa> i wish there was some way to tell if this thing is on
[07:00] <thompa> because i have wireless issues
[07:02] <thompa> l3m: was it you who helped me yesterday?
[07:05] <thompa> hello anybody?
[07:06] <thompa> jhealy: you there?
[07:06] <kkathman> hi thompa :)
[07:06] <thompa> thanks
[07:07] <thompa> how can i best tell if im connected
[07:07] <thompa> these guis dont work always
[07:07] <thompa> kwifimanager especially is poor
[07:08] <kkathman> for wifi I dont know
[07:08] <thompa> kkathman: im trying to figure out where to file my bug
[07:09] <thompa> kernel or ubuntu
[07:09] <thompa> but its with all distors using kernel 2.6.10 and above
[07:11] <drumline> thompa: is it a KDE thing?
[07:12] <thompa> its a problem with ipw2200 and power on toshiba m45 
[07:12] <thompa> i just want to let someone know
[07:13] <thompa> ive narrowed it down to plugged in 100% i get wireless
[07:13] <drumline> it happens with every linux distro?
[07:14] <thompa> yep every single one except suse 9.3 was working best
[07:14] <drumline> I'd contact the person that is listed at maintaining the source for ipw2200
[07:14] <drumline> should be in the source code
[07:14] <thompa> its all the new kernels
[07:14] <drumline> heck... send a line to Linus  :)
[07:14] <thompa> so is it still the driver?
[07:15] <thompa> ive spent days on this
[07:15] <drumline> it depends...  I'd first contact the folks who maintain that driver.  They probably already know about it and are working on it.
[07:15] <thompa> ok, 
[07:15] <drumline> ...and if they don't, then you could be the person that tips them off...
[07:15] <thompa> strange how this notebook is so silent 
[07:15] <thompa> no fans nothing
[07:16] <drumline> thinkpad?
[07:16] <thompa> toshiba m45
[07:16] <thompa> and it came with a linux partition
[07:16] <drumline> thompa: have you heard of the solid state drives being made by Samsung?
[07:16] <drumline> oooo... that's cool.
[07:16] <thompa> no codecs needed, plays anything
[07:16] <drumline> beautiful.  Make sure you back up that partition  :)
[07:16] <thompa> its a media player 
[07:17] <thompa> comes with disk
[07:17] <drumline> comes with a cd-rom to reinstall it?
[07:17] <thompa> trick is to format the whole thing then install media player, then windowsm then linux
[07:17] <thompa> yep
[07:18] <drumline> nice
[07:18] <drumline> I'll give this kubuntu a try and at the end of a week, I'll make my vicious decision.
[07:18] <thompa> i think its more embedded linux
[07:19] <thompa> i dont mess with it, but it plays everything
[07:19] <drumline> I don't think 'embedded' covers what you have going on.
[07:19] <drumline> it's on the hard drive isn't it?
[07:19] <thompa> im going to let the ipw2200 maintainer know 
[07:19] <thompa> yes
[07:19] <drumline> cool..  good man.  :)
[07:20] <thompa> it show up in qparted as a 850MB partition
[07:20] <thompa> battery life is awsome
[07:21] <thompa> ive had it unplugged over 2 hours 
[07:21] <thompa> the sony is out battery in like 45 minutes
[07:21] <_texas> ERROR: Unable to find the system utility `ld`. trying to install Nvidia drivers
[07:22] <drumline> ahh.. ok.  Yeah..  "embedded" is a specific term for devices that are prepackaged for specific uses..  
[07:22] <drumline> like remote controls...   etc.
[07:22] <drumline> ATM machines
[07:22] <drumline> cell phones
[07:23] <thompa> this model is rare
[07:23] <thompa> they did not have it long, no mention of linux at all
[07:23] <thompa> they replaced it and took out the media player
[07:24] <thompa> the new M45 is missing it
[07:24] <thompa> i think toshiba is putting it in some models to compete with sony 
[07:25] <thompa> there might be a liability issue involved also
[07:26] <thompa> drumline: there is an internet button i cant figure out that gets me on firefox
[07:26] <drumline> a hardware inet button?
[07:26] <thompa> yes
[07:27] <thompa> it bypasses the windows log in
[07:27] <thompa> i think its a guest log in
[07:28] <thompa> wont work in linux yet
[07:29] <drumline> doh
[07:29] <thompa> drumline: toshiba even has a link for linux
[07:29] <thompa> sony will void your warrenty if you even mention it
[07:29] <thompa> thye even ask you
[07:31] <thompa> the main toshiba page for support has linux link
[07:31] <thompa> http://www.csd.toshiba.com/cgi-bin/tais/su/su_sc_home.jsp
[07:32] <thompa> they say they support linux
[07:32] <thompa> http://linux.toshiba-dme.co.jp/linux/index.htm
[07:33] <Hobbsee> toshiba support linux?  hasnt been much there that i've found
[07:34] <Hobbsee> but, you can get linux to run more or less without problems on this machine at least
[07:34] <thompa> not much, but they want communtiy effort
[07:34] <Hobbsee> mmm
[07:34] <thompa> but why help them
[07:34] <thompa> maybe its misguided a little, dont know
[07:35] <drumline> YAY... My box can finally read 80 gig drives!
[07:35] <thompa> ubuntu has its laptop effort too
[07:35] <thompa> great
[07:36] <drumline> heh...  ancient POS
[07:38] <drumline> man... that's cool... being able to setup a software raid at boot time.
[08:05] <Hobbsee> hey aftertaf 
[08:08] <aftertaf> hi Hobbsee  :)
[08:08] <aftertaf> morning ;)
[08:08] <Hobbsee> :)
[08:15] <Creamier_Oak> hey os2mac 
[08:15] <kkathman> kkathman waves back
[08:15] <Creamier_Oak> Hobbsee waves too
[08:17] <os2mac> what's up with wiki.ubuntu.com... it won't let me save my user prefs....
[08:26] <drumline> is it easy to setup a software RAID after the OS is installed?
[08:29] <kkathman> drumline: there is a nice HowTo on that subject...Uncle Google can find it for you...its in the tldp.org storehouse
[08:29] <drumline> thx
[08:29] <kkathman> np
[08:29] <freeflying> anyone use kubuntu dapper
[08:29] <kkathman> Hobbsee IS
[08:30] <nalioth> kkathman: i have it on one of my ibooks
[08:30] <Hobbsee> er, yeah, not this second though
[08:31] <kkathman> nalioth:  my colleague wanted to know how to do a hardware RAID, and it seems linux is a bit stubborn from what I found...it only supports the software kind with any degree of reliability :)
[08:33] <nalioth> linux supports hardware raid cards
[08:34] <kkathman> nalioth:  can you please point me to some links I can send to my colleague?
[08:34] <kkathman> He'd really like to hear that, it was keeping him from going to Linux
[08:34] <thompa> has anybody used any  used any web editors in linux?
[08:35] <nalioth> !hardware
[08:35] <ubotu> hardware is, like, totally, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[08:35] <thompa> im trying to find an easy on wysiwyg
[08:35] <nalioth> thompa: those can be called "nvu" or "quanta"
[08:35] <thompa> the only reason im on windows is for outlook and web editing
[08:36] <drumline> kkathman: he wants SATA?
[08:36] <thompa> thanks
[08:36] <drumline> doesn't Outlook run on Cross-over office?
[08:36] <thompa> im just going to go to kontact
[08:36] <drumline> kontact is nice
[08:37] <drumline> evolution is too, but kontact appears to have more features
[08:37] <thompa> evolution crashed a few times
[08:37] <thompa> so i got scared
[08:37] <drumline> hmmph.. . that'll do it.  :)
[08:37] <thompa> i could not find a couple emails also
[08:38] <thompa> luckily they where on server
[08:38] <thompa> i like namo web editor though, i wish there was something like that
[08:39] <thompa> is crossover office free?
[08:39] <drumline> thompa: i think it's something like 30 bucks...  cheap for what it delivers.
[08:39] <kkathman> drumline: I think he wants SATA yes... he's using a Winbox now, and apparently you have to do some weird things during install to get RAID to work
[08:39] <drumline> thompa: there's a web editor that is open source...  gimme a sec..  
[08:40] <kkathman> web editor?
[08:40] <kkathman> as in a programming tool?
[08:40] <drumline> html 
[08:40] <thompa> i may try it, im spending more time on windows removing spyware, norton is awful and does not work, 
[08:40] <kkathman> if you want that, get Quanta
[08:40] <drumline> quanta is?
[08:40] <kkathman> its very good...almost like a scaled down Dreamweaver
[08:40] <nalioth> quanta and nvu are wysiwyg html editors
[08:41] <nalioth> also can be used for css php bleh blah
[08:41] <kkathman> yah Quanta is excellent I use it for my business
[08:41] <thompa> if i can save projects on it and save ftp sites
[08:41] <kkathman> thompa: you can
[08:41] <kkathman> but
[08:41] <drumline> nvu.com
[08:41] <kkathman> it doesnt have a built-in FTP
[08:41] <kkathman> you'll need gftp or Kbear
[08:41] <thompa> right ok 
[08:42] <thompa> ill look at both
[08:42] <Hobbsee> ooh, kbear or gftp you say....will definetly try them
[08:42] <Hobbsee> !info kbear
[08:42] <ubotu> kbear: (graphical ftp client for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-9build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 2416 kB, Installed size: 8568 kB
[08:42] <kkathman> Hobbsee: I have been very very pleased with Quanta
[08:42] <drumline> thompa: use the following for spyware.   Spybot 1.4 with the hostfile protection and immunization.   Spyware Blaster.   and Microsoft Antispyware.  
[08:42] <kkathman> Hobbsee: KBear is like the KDE version of gftp basically
[08:42] <thompa> i can probably just import all the templates i created
[08:42] <Hobbsee> cool
[08:42] <drumline> thompa: that'll give you good prevention.
[08:43] <thompa> doing spybot just now
[08:43] <kkathman> although I think gftp may support more things, but not sure
[08:43] <thompa> it found that norton internet security was turned off in registry
[08:43] <kkathman> gftp is basically a gnome package
[08:43] <drumline> spybot is free for commercial use...   
[08:43] <thompa> who did that?
[08:43] <drumline> Adaware is not free for commercial use
[08:43] <drumline> thompa: a virus may have done it.   Virus writers are targetting Norton more and more
[08:44] <drumline> Avast is a nice AV for windows.
[08:44] <thompa> norton shows no virus, and im sure it should be expired
[08:44] <thompa> but the date is like 3 more months
[08:44] <drumline> download Avast and check it out..  they give you 60 days free trial.   And if you aren't doing any business on the computer, it's free for home use.
[08:45] <thompa> ok
[08:45] <thompa> what about avg?
[08:45] <thompa> ive also got a free eset nod32
[08:45] <drumline> intel just spent some cash to invest in AVG...  It appears to be an effective anti virus also
[08:45] <drumline> Avast has a server market also though...  it looks to be a more polished product.
[08:46] <thompa> it seems like something is playing with my norton settings
[08:46] <drumline> scan the drive as a second drive from another computer
[08:46] <drumline> use hijackthis to examine the start-up entries...   use rootkitrevealer to check your registry.. 
[08:46] <thompa> drumline: sounds interesting
[08:48] <kkathman> I use kontact all the time..its very nice
[08:48] <pussfeller> they have to find some way of fixing it so dev/dsp doesnt get hogged ever
[08:48] <pussfeller> this is crazy
[08:48] <kkathman> hey pussfeller :)
[08:48] <pussfeller> key kkathman 
[08:48] <nalioth> this chat reveals the reason i love linux so much
[08:48] <thompa> well my outlook wont even send recieve mail, every other email has a virus too
[08:48] <pussfeller> up late, or get up early?
[08:48] <kkathman> nalioth:  ?
[08:49] <kkathman> pussfeller: up late...going to bed in a few in fact :)
[08:49] <thompa> all from comcast and bellsouth
[08:49] <nalioth> use hijackthis to examine the start-up entries...   use rootkitrevealer to check your registry..    <<<< linux love means never having to do anything resembling this
[08:49] <thompa> ok ok
[08:49] <thompa> thanks guys
[08:49] <pussfeller> yeah, well, you never have to wonder why yer sound doesnt work in windows
[08:49] <drumline> nalioth: not completely true.   :)   ..but it's a whole lot less likely.
[08:50] <pussfeller> and you dont get viruses in windows unless you do something dumb
[08:50] <pussfeller> like use outlook :)
[08:50] <kkathman> lol
[08:50] <kkathman> true statements
[08:50] <thompa> i have to teach outlook courses lol
[08:50] <drumline> pussfeller: not necessarily.  visiting the a slightly wrong site can land you a virus...   or a hacked site.
[08:50] <pussfeller> or unless your mom uses the computer
[08:50] <pussfeller> it can in ie, yeah
[08:51] <drumline> even in other browsers
[08:51] <nalioth> drumline: i've been running linux since 97, and ditched windows completely in 2000. i've NEVER run anything like that on any of my boxen
[08:51] <pussfeller> i guess it all depends on where you "hang out" on the internet
[08:52] <sincer> hy there
[08:52] <kkathman> night peeps...cya tomorrow :)
[08:52] <pussfeller> night man
[08:52] <sincer> someon can tell me how can I login as root? reinstaled Kubuntu
[08:52] <thompa> well i do like flight simulator, i was in the air force so
[08:52] <thompa> its the only reason i need windows i guess
[08:52] <pussfeller> sincer: give root a password and then you canbe root
[08:53] <nalioth> ubotu: tell sincer about root
[08:53] <nalioth> pussfeller: please dont do that
[08:53] <pussfeller> what?
[08:53] <drumline> nalioth: well done.  All I'm saying is that just because you use linux doesn't make you immune.   There are rootkits for *n*x computers and there are rootkit hunters for *n*x computers.   And there are instances where kernels are hacked and you cannot tell that you have an intruder.
[08:54] <nalioth> kubuntu has the root account disabled for a reason. sudo (or kdesu for kde graphic programs) serves any purpose you would "become root" to perform
[08:54] <drumline> nalioth: when netstat and ps don't report the intruder, how do you know if you're hacked or not?
[08:54] <pussfeller> you have to watch the traffic to really tell
[08:54] <drumline> oh... heh...  I wondered about the root account being disabled.  Had to visit single user mode to set the password  :)
[08:55] <pussfeller> or delve into arcane memory management stuff
[08:55] <os2mac> drumline; who -u ?
[08:55] <drumline> os2mac?
[08:55] <thompa> has everyone seen this already its really cool http://www.tectonic.co.za/viewr.php?id=731
[08:55] <thompa> the $100 linux laptop
[08:56] <pussfeller> whats with the crank
[08:56] <thompa> sorry know its off topic, just too cool\
[08:56] <thompa> power
[08:56] <os2mac> you asked what to use if you netstat and ps can't find an intruder...
[08:56] <thompa> 1 minute crank 10 minute power
[08:57] <pussfeller> who is just another file that can be overwritten
[08:57] <pussfeller> and probably would be by a root kit
[09:02] <drumline> os2mac: sure... that would be another one...
[09:05] <drumline> dayam... that laptop is awesome thompa
[09:05] <nalioth> raphink: howsy
[09:05] <drumline> thompa: a hand crank-powered linux box
[09:05] <drumline> sign me up
[09:05] <drumline> I'd buy one of those things
[09:06] <thompa> cant be worse than my sony
[09:06] <drumline> that would be so cool...  I hope it has a USB slot.
[09:06] <thompa> too bad about red hat though
[09:07] <thompa> im sure its a stripped down version
[09:07] <drumline> yeah... it had to be a major market player
[09:07] <thompa> probably will have ubuntu on it anyway by then
[09:08] <drumline> who knows :)
[09:09] <thompa> lime green i like that, just crank it for a minute then send some emails
[09:09] <drumline> although, they say it wont be for sale
[09:09] <drumline> it'll be a gov thing
[09:10] <thompa> $200 for public
[09:10] <thompa> $100 for poorkids in Mass.
[09:10] <raphink> argh : :
[09:11] <drumline> oh well.. . I can wait to buy one.
[09:11] <thompa> at the bottom it says mit will be selling them
[09:11] <drumline> ...but only if it has a USB port :)
[09:11] <raphink> what are you guys talking about?
[09:11] <drumline> http://laptop.media.mit.edu/
[09:12] <thompa> MIT has now said they will sell them
[09:12] <raphink> oh the $100 laptops
[09:13] <drumline> How the heck do you reinstall them?
[09:14] <viviersf> im just wondering out of interest 
[09:14] <thompa> i think the idea is if you buy it $200 some goes to the non profit or soemthing
[09:14] <viviersf> if using a 686 kernel would be better than running a 386 kernel
[09:14] <viviersf> whats the advantages and disadvantages
[09:15] <drumline> viviersf: are you talking about customizing your kernel?
[09:15] <viviersf> no
[09:15] <viviersf> there are packages for -686 kernels
[09:15] <drumline> i dunno...   what's the difference between the kernels?
[09:16] <viviersf> lol
[09:16] <viviersf> erm 386 = 386 optimized
[09:16] <thompa> it says usb ports galore
[09:16] <viviersf> 686 = i686 optimised
[09:17] <drumline> thompa: yeah...  that must mean 2-3
[09:18] <drumline> wow.. black and white displays
[09:19] <thompa> 1G hard drive
[09:19] <thompa> i remember my 850M i thought that was big
[09:20] <drumline> wow... .apparently, these things have wireless networking.
[09:20] <nalioth> and automatic ad-hoc capabiltiy
[09:20] <drumline> "they will make a mesh network peer-to-peer"
[09:21] <thompa> dual b/w color display
[09:22] <drumline> not bad at all
[09:22] <drumline> I want one
[09:22] <drumline> heh
[09:22] <pussfeller> ok somethings messed up, xine wont play mp3s anymore
[09:22] <drumline> thompa: yeah...  540 meg hard drives..  oh yeah.  :)
[09:23] <drumline> meanwhile... I need to hit the sack..   niter thompa.. everyone
[09:23] <thompa> night
[10:00] <dlausevic|breezy> I'm not having any luck using apt-get recently.  since i installed a proxy daemon through apt-get.  I have since removed it completely and still having a problem.  I get the following error on all servers: Could not connect to localhost:80 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[10:02] <dlausevic|breezy> i'm having a hell of a time figuring out where the setting is where apt-get is looking at localhost and not directly outwards.
[10:02] <dlausevic|breezy> any hints would be greatly appreciated.
[10:05] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: either the environment variable http_proxy
[10:06] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: or /etc/apt/apt.conf
[10:07] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: man apt.conf
[10:07] <dlausevic|breezy> insanekane: in the apt directory, i have apt.conf.d, secring.gpg, sources.list, trustdb.gpg, trusted.gpg...
[10:07] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: ok, so that means the apt.conf was not set (the same for me too)
[10:08] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: check the environment for http_proxy
[10:08] <dlausevic|breezy> it was running just fine until the stupid proxy daemon scrweed things up.
[10:08] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: env | grep http
[10:08] <dlausevic|breezy> localhost.
[10:08] <dlausevic|breezy> http_proxy=http://localhost:
[10:08] <dlausevic|breezy> HTTP_PROXY=http://localhost:
[10:09] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: export http_proxy=
[10:09] <dlausevic|breezy> beautiful.
[10:09] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: env -u http_proxy; env -u HTTP_PROXY
[10:09] <dlausevic|breezy> it works.  THANK YOU.
[10:10] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: it has also probably entered into your .bashrc or .bash_profile ... so you might want to get rid of it from there
[10:10] <dlausevic|breezy> where would that be? sorry, permanewb.  i'm a x kind of guy.
[10:10] <insanekane> cat ~/.bash_profile
[10:10] <insanekane> cat ~/.bashrc
[10:11] <insanekane> cat ~/.bash_profile | grep http
[10:11] <insanekane> (do same for .bashrc) ..
[10:11] <insanekane> that will tell you if the offending lines are there
[10:11] <insanekane> dlausevic|breezy: else, you have check in /etc/environment
[10:11] <doblas> hola
[10:11] <insanekane> halu
[10:12] <doblas> alguien habla espaol
[10:12] <insanekane> emm ... no
[10:12] <insanekane> no espaol :)
[10:12] <insanekane> doblas: #ubuntu-es
[10:13] <doblas> ok
[10:13] <doblas> thanks
[10:13] <dlausevic|breezy> thank you very much.
[10:13] <insanekane> np
[10:18] <mornfall> raphink: btw, have you seen apt-build?
[10:18] <raphink> yes I know apt-build mornfall
[10:18] <raphink> :)
[10:18] <mornfall> and the complaints about it? :)
[10:19] <raphink> no complaint
[10:19] <raphink> I just had forgotten about it
[10:19] <mornfall> hmm, i thought you have written a similar tool?
[10:20] <raphink> LOL
[10:20] <mornfall> ah, heh
[10:20] <raphink> and I'm having fun with my script
[10:20] <mornfall> #kubuntu: < Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: You should get this baby into the normal repos. After a while maybe, who knows? Maybe it'll become another backend for adept?
[10:20] <raphink> lol
[10:20] <raphink> adepts lacks something like this for sure
[10:20] <raphink> does apt-build have a pbuilder option?
[10:20] <raphink> ;)
[10:21] <mornfall> huh?
[10:21] <mornfall> how would you imagine adept as a build tool? :-)
[10:22] <raphink> mornfall: have a look at finkcommander
[10:24] <raphink> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=64759
[10:24] <raphink> oops sorry
[10:24] <raphink> wrong link
[10:24] <raphink> http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/about/images/inspector.jpg
[10:24] <raphink> there mornfall 
[10:26] <raphink> I guess I could add the pbuilder option to apt-build and submit it to upstream ;)
[10:26] <raphink> but I like my small tool too :)
[10:26] <raphink> just added a --no-install option
[10:27] <mornfall> raphink: the screenshot shows a somewhat too complicated menu for my taste :)
[10:27] <raphink> the screenshot shows a useful menu for my taste
[10:27] <raphink> I won't use package manager GUIs until they look like this ;)
[10:27] <raphink> otherwise it's just not worth it imo
[10:29] <raphink> I'll see if I can do something for apt-build :)
[10:29] <raphink> adding some stuff to it ;)
[10:29] <insanekane> mornfall: any updates to adept ? i'm pining for a dependencies view and a file list view ;) Any possibilities to make an easy pinning gui ? (I installed OOo 1.9.116 and apt keeps wanting to upgrade it to 1.9.129) :)
[10:31] <mornfall> raphink: you need to decide if it's a package manager or apt swiss army chainsaw :-)
[10:31] <mornfall> raphink: one can surely make the latter but only few people will want to use it :)
[10:32] <mornfall> insanekane: file list will be interesting for not installed packages... hmh
[10:32] <insanekane> mornfall: yes, for all packages .. not just not-installed :)
[10:33] <insanekane> mornfall: is there a python binding to your lib-ept ?
[10:33] <mornfall> insanekane: file a wishlist :)
[10:33] <insanekane> mornfall: sure ... where ?
[10:33] <mornfall> insanekane: libept? nah, and it will be hightly nontrivial
[10:33] <mornfall> insanekane: libapt-front has one
[10:33] <mornfall> insanekane: bugs.kde.org
[10:33] <insanekane> hokie
[10:34] <insanekane> mornfall: just want to build an update notifier for KDE via PyKDE
[10:34] <mornfall> insanekane: you can try, adept 2 will have one in c++ :-)
[10:34] <insanekane> haha :)
[10:34] <insanekane> why do people build all these small things in C++ I wonder :)
[10:35] <insanekane> its just much easier to add features if in Python :)
[10:36] <mornfall> insanekane: okey, so we can make a competition and we'll see if you can write an equivalent of adept in python, in 3 months
[10:36] <insanekane> mornfall: im talking about the update notifier ... not adept :) Im sure adept is quite complicated :)
[10:37] <mornfall> insanekane: okey, we can see if you have an update notifier before i do :-)
[10:37] <mornfall> insanekane: my deadline to have a working prototype is 8th of next month (due to adept 1.88 release)
[10:38] <insanekane> mornfall: you are elite C++ programmer ... im still a novice python programmer :)
[10:38] <mornfall> insanekane: (btw, don't forget that python qt+kde bindings will take some 8+ megs of ram resident)
[10:39] <mornfall> whatever, python sucks :-)
[10:39] <insanekane> mornfall: probably true
[10:39] <insanekane> err, ie, probably true that Py takes lot of RAM
[10:39] <insanekane> but python is beautiful .. PyQt even more so :)
[10:39] <mornfall> python is a messy patchwork of bolton features
[10:40] <insanekane> hmm
[10:40] <mornfall> language design 101: look at python and beware the trap
[10:40] <mornfall> rwar?
[10:41] <insanekane> religious war :)
[10:41] <mornfall> (you could put perl in there instead of python, but actually, it isn't that bad)
[10:41] <insanekane> hehe
[10:41] <mornfall> naah =)
[10:41] <mornfall> even if it's fun sometimes
[10:41] <insanekane> k
[10:42] <insanekane> anyway, your adept is really beautiful (even if written in perl ;) )
[10:43] <insanekane> so thanks for it
[10:43] <mornfall> eh perl :p
[10:44] <mornfall> C++ > <very many things>
[10:44] <insanekane> <very many things> ??
[10:44] <mornfall> yes :)
[10:44] <mornfall> including java
[10:44] <mornfall> C
[10:44] <mornfall> python
[10:44] <insanekane> btw, would pinning solve my OOo problem above ?
[10:44] <insanekane> mornfall: oh .. > == greater than ? :)
[10:44] <mornfall> yes :)
[10:44] <mornfall> (to both)
[10:45] <insanekane> mornfall: yes, C++ is cool  especially Qt/C++ :)
[10:45] <insanekane> yes, Java sucks :) I'd rather code in Python
[11:19] <_moss> how do i get latests KDE
[11:19] <_moss> i followed on the site, no luck :/
[11:19] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[11:19] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[11:20] <_moss> tried that
[11:20] <_moss> no luck
[11:22] <Hobbsee> _moss: what exactly did you try, and what errors did you get?
[11:23] <_moss> i added the deb line /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:23] <_moss> but it dont come up in adept
[11:23] <Hobbsee> no, then you hit refresh in adept, then upgrade
[11:23] <raphink> ok well
[11:23] <raphink> I had a look at apt-build mornfall 
[11:23] <Hobbsee> try that :P
[11:23] <_moss> oh ok
[11:23] <_moss> thanks
[11:23] <raphink> and to use it to build with pbuilder I need to do something like
[11:24] <raphink> sudo apt-build --build-command='pbuilder build ../*.dsc' install $package
[11:24] <raphink> which is not so easy ;)
[11:25] <Hobbsee> no, doesnt look anywhere near as easy
[11:25] <raphink> haha
[11:25] <raphink> Hobbsee: the thing is that mornfall pointed out to me (and he is right) that apt-build exists...
[11:26] <Hobbsee> write a shell script for it?
[11:26] <raphink> so my script is kind of obsolete
[11:26] <raphink> yep Hobbsee 
[11:26] <Hobbsee> ah ok, yep
[11:26] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[11:26] <raphink> http://raphink.free.fr/packages/demerge_0.1-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[11:26] <raphink> that's what I've done yesterday evening
[11:26] <raphink> but well it's not compared to apt-build
[11:26] <raphink> except apt-build doesn't easily let you build in pbuilder
[11:27] <raphink> so I'm wondering if i could just make a script that would call apt-build to build with pbuilder
[11:27] <raphink> or if I should patch apt-build
[11:27] <raphink> instead
[11:27] <Hobbsee> no idea
[11:28] <raphink> hmmm
[11:28] <raphink> on the one hand, it would be much easier for me to make a simple script in bash and call apt-build
[11:28] <raphink> on the other hand, it would be cleaner to just include it in apt-build 
[11:29] <Hobbsee> true
[11:29] <Hobbsee> er....yes....i thought this might happen..
[11:30] <raphink> would you find this useful to have this option in apt-build?
[11:30] <osh> Is there some easy way to configure a printer in ubuntu if no desktop is installed?
[11:31] <raphink> hmm
[11:31] <raphink> no idea
[11:32] <Hobbsee> raphink: never used apt-build, so i couldnt tell you
[11:32] <raphink> ok
[11:32] <Hobbsee> what do i do now?  http://pastebin.com/440759  if i say dist-upgrade, it removes most of kde with it...
[11:33] <raphink> hehe
[11:33] <raphink> yeah I know this error
[11:33] <raphink> I'm waiting for it to be fixed before switching to dapper again
[11:33] <Hobbsee> ah right, so i can just ignore it till it gets fixed?
[11:33] <raphink> now why do you say it removes kde ?
[11:33] <raphink> I don't see it removing kde ?
[11:34] <raphink> it says `kept back', not `removed'
[11:34] <Hobbsee> raphink: http://pastebin.com/440763
[11:35] <raphink> so ?
[11:35] <raphink> it says it will remove a few packages
[11:35] <raphink> and UPGRADE the whole KDE ;)
[11:35] <Hobbsee> yeah, see this one...
[11:35] <raphink> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:35] <raphink>   adept debtags ksysguard kubuntu-desktop libid3-3.8.3c2 libmusicbrainz2c2
[11:35] <raphink>   libsigc++-2.0-0c2
[11:36] <raphink> that's all that'll be removed
[11:36] <Hobbsee> http://pastebin.com/440766
[11:36] <raphink> it's not so much
[11:36] <Hobbsee> yeah, it isnt, but dependancy hell happens when trying to reinstall kubuntu-desktop again
[11:36] <raphink> haha
[11:36] <raphink> well why do you need kubuntu-desktop anyway?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> and i'm not even going to try and get the pastebin for that
[11:37] <Hobbsee> well, you dont, except for trying to upgrade a lot of the packages
[11:37] <raphink> ic
[11:37] <raphink> well then wait ;)
[11:37] <raphink> or work on fixing it
[11:37] <Hobbsee> i think i'll have to - i was more wondering if there were other solutions
[11:38] <Hobbsee> mmm...dont really know how to do that
[11:38] <Hobbsee> i wasnt coming in here to whine about it, i was more coming in to ask "is there something that i havent thought of here, a way around this thing?"
[11:39] <Riddell> Hobbsee: wait
[11:39] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ok, will do :)
[11:39] <raphink> hi Riddell 
[11:40] <Riddell> hi raphink 
[11:40] <raphink> you could give me your opinion on something Riddell ;)
[11:40] <Riddell> I can try
[11:41] <raphink> yesterday, I wanted a simple command to fetch/build/install packages and I had forgotten about apt-build
[11:41] <raphink> so I made a simple bash script to do that
[11:41] <raphink> but then
[11:41] <raphink> in my script, I included a --pbuilder option
[11:41] <raphink> that would build in a chroot instead of building in the system
[11:41] <raphink> and apt-build doesn't have that
[11:41] <raphink> now do you think this would be a useful feature to be included in apt-build?
[11:41] <raphink> or do you think maybe my script could use apt-build instead ;)
[11:42] <Riddell> raphink: why would it be useful?
[11:42] <raphink> Riddell: for example, to have a Debian repository as deb-src and test if packages can be merged in one command ;)
[11:42] <raphink> like
[11:42] <raphink> apt-builder ktorrent
[11:43] <insanekane> raphink: thats a cool thing :)
[11:43] <raphink> and it would get the source package from the Debian repo, build it in pbuilder and install it
[11:43] <Riddell> merged?
[11:43] <raphink> I mean synchronized
[11:43] <raphink> :s
[11:43] <insanekane> i guess he means possibility to upload to ubuntu/debian repository
[11:43] <raphink> to check if the Debian package builds fine in an ubuntu pbuilder
[11:44] <raphink> hmm no insanekane 
[11:44] <insanekane> i.e., whether the packages will build and install properly on an otherwise ubuntu-only platform
[11:44] <raphink> yes insanekane 
[11:45] <raphink> so far, to do that with apt-build, you need to do something like
[11:45] <raphink> sudo apt-build --build-command='pbuilder build ../*.dsc' install $package
[11:46] <raphink> which is a bit long to type imo ;)
[11:46] <raphink> you can do even longer with apt-get ;)
[11:46] <raphink> like
[11:46] <raphink> apt-get source $package && sudo pbuilder build $package_version
[11:47] <raphink> hmm actually I just saw that the apt-build install won't work with pbuilder since it doesn't generate the package in the right place ;)
[11:47] <raphink> what do you think insanekane ?
[11:51] <raphink> hmmm you think you wanna let me use your nick for a while insanekane ? ;)
[11:54] <insanekane> raphink: its neat :)
[11:54] <raphink> insanekane: did you look at my (very simple) script?
[11:55] <insanekane> nope, but from your description, it is really cool
[11:55] <raphink> have you used apt-build?
[11:55] <raphink> my concern is that apt-build is much stronger than what I can do now
[11:55] <insanekane> raphink: no ... just dpkg-buildpackage
[11:56] <raphink> insanekane: apt-build uses dpkg-buildpackage
[11:56] <raphink> my script doesn't though
[11:56] <raphink> it uses apt-get --build instead
[11:58] <insanekane> oho
[11:59] <insanekane> but the possibilities of your script are apparent ... i could take any deb repository and verify all the packages within it
[12:00] <raphink> yes
[12:01] <insanekane> that should make it much easier for devels who don't want to become debian maintainers ;)
[12:01] <raphink> hehe
[12:02] <raphink> actually I have another idea
[12:02] <raphink> for maintainers
[12:02] <raphink> such a tool could be a bit automatized
[12:02] <raphink> to keep an eye on Debian repositories
[12:02] <raphink> for example
[12:03] <raphink> let's say I maintain packages toto, titi and tata in ubuntu
[12:03] <raphink> and I want to know if there are new versions in Debian
[12:03] <raphink> I could have a list of packages to keep an eye on
[12:03] <insanekane> yep
[12:03] <raphink> and running a command would check if there are new versions and if they build in ubuntu
[12:03] <insanekane> smart idea :)
[12:04] <insanekane> you are using bash script for all this ?
[12:04] <raphink> hmm yes
[12:04] <raphink> :(
[12:04] <insanekane> ok
[12:04] <raphink> I don't know how to program in perl
[12:04] <insanekane> hehe, learn python :)
[12:04] <raphink> I should get to it someday
[12:04] <insanekane> raphink: and ... you already know python :)
[12:04] <raphink> or even python ;)
[12:05] <raphink> no
[12:05] <insanekane> yep you do
[12:05] <raphink> thing is, apt-build is written in perl
[12:05] <raphink> insanekane: how so? ;)
[12:05] <insanekane> oho .. you are going to hack apt-build or make your own script ?
[12:05] <insanekane> raphink: believe me you do ... (i teach python to undergrads)
[12:05] <raphink> I don't know
[12:05] <raphink> I'm not sure hacking apt-build would be a great idea
[12:06] <raphink> because it doesn't seem to be easy to use pbuilder with it
[12:06] <raphink> since apt-build gets the source, cd into it, builds and installs from there
[12:06] <insanekane> yeah ... and verifying your changes would be a pain too so slower commit to upstream
[12:06] <raphink> whereas pbuilder builds in another dir
[12:06] <insanekane> yep
[12:07] <raphink> so it's easier to make a different stuff
[12:07] <raphink> insanekane: would you have a look at what I have so far?
[12:07] <insanekane> why not ... not that i know bash scripting :)
[12:07] <raphink> hehe
[12:07] <raphink> http://raphink.free.fr/packages ./
[12:07] <raphink> I called it demerge so far ;)
[12:08] <raphink> no need to tell why I guess
[12:08] <insanekane> wow, those are your packages ?
[12:08] <raphink> the packages I maintain
[12:08] <insanekane> whats kenigma ? enigma machine ? or frontend for enigma game ?
[12:08] <raphink> most of them are in REVU waiting to be approved :(
[12:09] <raphink> enigma machine insanekane 
[12:09] <insanekane> and ichthux ?
[12:09] <insanekane> cool
[12:09] <raphink> ichthux is a CDD project I have
[12:09] <raphink> of a christian distro based on Debian
[12:09] <insanekane> CDD ?
[12:09] <raphink> Custom Debian Distribution
[12:10] <insanekane> oho ok
[12:10] <raphink> in short, it's a set of metapackages and tasks that allows you to tune your distro easily
[12:10] <raphink> it's a bit stalled lately, but as I'm learning to package better, I hope to get back to it soon
[12:10] <_user> hi
[12:11] <raphink> hi erix 
[12:11] <erix> hi
[12:11] <erix> my pinay b d2
[12:11] <raphink> please speak english in here erix 
[12:11] <erix> any girls here
[12:11] <Hobbsee> that's irrelevant
[12:12] <Hobbsee> if you're looking to hit on women, you should probably go find another channel
[12:12] <erix> im boy
[12:12] <Hobbsee> if you're looking for help, then you're welcome to ask here
[12:12] <insanekane> raphink: cool
[12:12] <erix> were can i find that channel?
[12:12] <insanekane> erix: #freenode
[12:12] <raphink> not on this server erix 
[12:12] <erix> actually this is my first tym hir
[12:12] <raphink> insanekane: LOL
[12:12] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:12] <erix> thx
[12:12] <erix> tnx
[12:13] <erix> sori 
[12:13] <raphink> erix: this is a linux help channel
[12:13] <insanekane> erix: np :)
[12:13] <raphink> and this network is a computer-fans one :p
[12:13] <raphink> go to yahoo chans :p
[12:13] <erix> thanks guys
[12:13] <insanekane> erix: have a nice time
[12:13] <redguy> raphink: you suggest that 'computer-fans' can't be girls?
[12:14] <dipnlik> LOL
[12:14] <Hobbsee> redguy: of course not
[12:14] <raphink> I don't suggest that redguy 
[12:14] <raphink> I suggest freenode is not a place for that kind of stuff :p
[12:14] <redguy> just checking
[12:14] <raphink> redguy: lol
[12:14] <raphink> redguy: I wouldn't even think of stating such a thing
[12:14] <Hobbsee> the evidence stands before you on that one, anyway
[12:15] <redguy> raphink: you indirectly impied it :-)
[12:15] <raphink> :)
[12:15] <Hobbsee> true
[12:15] <raphink> redguy: you directly interpreted my words
[12:15] <insanekane> you mean literally
[12:16] <raphink> nm
[12:16] <raphink> lol
[12:16] <insanekane> :)
[12:16] <raphink> hehe
[12:17] <Hobbsee> i doubt anyone would admit to being female on here right now anyway...
[12:17] <Hobbsee> computer fan or not...
[12:17] <raphink> not as long as there's a pervert in the room ;)
[12:17] <redguy> :-)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> exactly
[12:18] <redguy> you mean perverts
[12:18] <raphink> huhu
[12:18] <raphink> well as far as I know there's only one person here who came to find a mate 
[12:18] <raphink> but maybe there are others hiding
[12:18] <raphink> Hobbsee: hehe :)
[12:18] <Hobbsee> far out...
[12:18] <raphink> that was long minutes
[12:19] <Hobbsee> gotta love people coming in like that...
[12:19] <raphink> lol
[12:20] <raphink> one more out
[12:20] <raphink> (no worry, with such a nick)
[12:20] <raphink> lol
[12:25] <insanekane> hmm, i didnt even know that apt-get had a --build option
[12:26] <insanekane> not that i would use it :)
[12:39] <martinjh99> Morning - Which package do I need for php in Apache1??
[12:40] <martinjh99> Never mind...
[12:40] <martinjh99> Its php4...
[12:45] <osh> What packages do I need to be able to print from my ubuntu? cups? I don't have X installed and would prefer to not have it too.
[12:48] <Juerd_> CUPS would suffice.
[12:48] <Juerd_> It can be managed with text browsers like w3m
[12:48] <raphink> yes cups
[12:49] <Juerd_> Or with any browser on another machine
[12:50] <osh> so, which version of cups? "cups", "cupsys" och "eggcups"?
[12:55] <osh> hmm, cupsys wants to install x-common which is probably not what I want...
[01:02] <martinjh99> How can I fix this???  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/440824
[01:03] <redguy> osh: hmm, cups and foomatic would suffice I think
[01:04] <hunika> hello
[01:04] <martinjh99> hi
[01:08] <raphink> you can use dpkg to force removing martinjh99 
[01:12] <martinjh99> dpkg -r -f package ?? Not sure...
[01:15] <raphink> look at the force options in the manpages
[01:16] <tomplast> hi. can anyone tell me why i need to manually get a ip by writing sudo dhclient eth0? my /etc/network/interfaces contains auto eth0
[01:16] <tomplast> iface eth0 inet dhcp so it should work, shouldnt it? my connection is of the type ADSL and between the adsl modem and the computer i have a router
[01:17] <tomplast> i want it to get a ip at boot time. i dont want to write sudo dhclient eth0 everytime i boot up :/
[01:19] <tomplast> can anyone help me?
[01:19] <manveru> jkop, hey, join #kubuntu.de
[01:19] <tomplast> i would like to avoid to reinstall kubuntu :/
[01:19] <tomplast> please help, (brb)
[01:19] <manveru> jkop, i mean #kubuntu-de
[01:19] <tomplast> brb
[01:20] <manveru> tomplast, what's your problem?
[01:20] <tomplast> didnt you get the message =?
[01:20] <tomplast> hi. can anyone tell me why i need to manually get a ip by writing sudo dhclient eth0? my /etc/network/interfaces contains auto eth0
[01:20] <tomplast> iface eth0 inet dhcp so it should work, shouldnt it? my connection is of the type ADSL and between the adsl modem and the computer i have a router
[01:20] <tomplast> did you get it now?
[01:20] <manveru> well, yeah
[01:20] <manveru> but you know what dhclient does?
[01:21] <tomplast> dynamic ip
[01:21] <tomplast> which i should get from the router
[01:21] <manveru> exactly
[01:21] <tomplast> i dont udnerstand completly here
[01:22] <tomplast> why doesnt it work during boot up but when i write sudo dhclient eth0?
[01:22] <tomplast> isnt the content in /etc/network/interfaces equal?
[01:22] <tomplast> to sudo dhclient eth0?
[01:22] <manveru> hmm
[01:22] <manveru> i doubt that it is parsed
[01:22] <tomplast> wait
[01:22] <manveru> /etc/network/interfaces is deprecated afaik
[01:23] <tomplast> deprecated?
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> wtf?
[01:23] <tomplast> i dont understand that word :$
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> options was, is interfaces now?
[01:23] <manveru> oh :)
[01:23] <tomplast>  =?
[01:23] <manveru> one of them
[01:23] <jkop> moin
[01:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[01:23] <manveru> jkop, #kubuntu-de
[01:24] <tomplast> k
[01:24] <tomplast> but what should i do to get a ip during boot up =?
[01:24] <tomplast> it worked before
[01:24] <tomplast> but i connect my adsl modem directly to my computer one time for testing
[01:24] <tomplast> connected
[01:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> is it a standard PCI network card?
[01:24] <tomplast> its a standard network card
[01:25] <tomplast> it has worked before
[01:25] <tomplast> until i connected my adsl modem directly to my computer
[01:25] <tomplast> now i have a router between my computer and the adsl modem once again
[01:25] <tomplast> and its only working if i write sudo dhclient eth0
[01:25] <tomplast> manually :/
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[01:25] <tomplast> # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[01:25] <tomplast> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[01:25] <tomplast> # The loopback network interface
[01:25] <tomplast> auto lo
[01:25] <tomplast> iface lo inet loopback
[01:25] <tomplast> address 127.0.0.1
[01:25] <tomplast> netmask 255.0.0.0
[01:25] <tomplast> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can add it to the misc boot script, but that's not ideal
[01:25] <tomplast> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> oi
[01:25] <tomplast> mapping hotplug
[01:25] <tomplast>  script grep
[01:25] <tomplast>  map eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> # The primary network interface
[01:26] <tomplast> auto eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:26] <tomplast> iface eth1 inet 
[01:26] <tomplast> auto eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> :/
[01:26] <tomplast> why cant # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
[01:26] <tomplast> # and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).
[01:26] <tomplast> # The loopback network interface
[01:26] <tomplast> auto lo
[01:26] <tomplast> iface lo inet loopback
[01:26] <tomplast> address 127.0.0.1
[01:26] <tomplast> netmask 255.0.0.0
[01:26] <tomplast> # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces.
[01:26] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[01:26] <tomplast> # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem.
[01:26] <ubotu> from memory, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[01:26] <tomplast> mapping hotplug
[01:26] <tomplast>  script grep
[01:26] <tomplast>  map eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> # The primary network interface
[01:26] <tomplast> auto eth0
[01:26] <tomplast> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[01:26] <tomplast> iface eth1 inet 
[01:26] <tomplast> auto eth0
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> tomplast: don't flood the channel. especialy not the same shit twicei in a row.
[01:26] <tomplast> :/
[01:26] <tomplast> stupid irc
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[01:26] <tomplast> :xp:
[01:26] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser 
[01:26] <tomplast> so what should i do :/
[01:26] <tomplast> why isnt it working :/
[01:27] <Hobbsee> !tell tomplast about pastebin!
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> tomplast: it's the user, always ;O
[01:27] <dipnlik> kick kick kick :)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> i wish - i dont have ops
[01:27] <tomplast> sorry
[01:27] <Hobbsee> and nalioth_zZz's asleep
[01:27] <tomplast> i didnt know
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[01:27] <tomplast> :(
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> :@
[01:27] <Hobbsee> tomplast: /topic
[01:27] <tomplast> i thought that irc was a bitter clever :/
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> nope.
[01:27] <tomplast> oki
[01:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> just a few binary bits
[01:28] <tomplast> so you cant help me or what =?
[01:28] <martinjh99> Which one of the force options to delete a package ??
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> tomplast: I'll just check what you pasted ;)
[01:28] <tomplast> you mean flooded :p
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser>  iface eth1 inet 
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> and no auto eth1 line
[01:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> try fixing them
[01:28] <tomplast> oki
[01:29] <tomplast> i will
[01:29] <tomplast> thanks :)
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[01:29] <Hobbsee> night all...
[01:29] <Hobbsee> must sleep...
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: what sort of package? what options?
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> Hobbsee: :(
[01:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> night
[01:30] <martinjh99> Kaiser see http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/440824
[01:33] <martinjh99> Kaiser if I could get that file it can't find installed it would be a lot easier to remove then...  Its "db_get" Can't find a package that actually installs it on packages.ubuntu ;)
[01:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, i see :S
[01:34] <martinjh99> and I've no idea what I did to get it in that state either...  I was removing mysql and phpmyadmin...
[01:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'll just try and find it myself :)
[01:34] <martinjh99> OK Cheers
[01:35] <martinjh99> This machine is my small home server you see...  By the way which package for php for Apache1.. Do you happen to know?
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> not off the top of my head
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> but if your using Breezy, apache is in universe
[01:36] <martinjh99> Apache is installed!  Just need the mod-php...
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah ok
[01:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> just searching
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> libapache-mod-php4 - server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)
[01:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^ so?
[01:37] <martinjh99> Sounds about right ta!
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[01:38] <martinjh99> Not going to install until I sort the other problem...  Is dh_get part of tools for making debian packages?
[01:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have no idea.
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think it's part of php myself
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: are you using aptitude?
[01:40] <martinjh99> yes..  Is this a prob??  I prefer its dependency handling to apt-get
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> try apt-get for this, aptitiude does strange things now and then
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> i don't use aptitude myself, but it does do some things well
[01:41] <martinjh99> Does the same error - http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/440840
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. bugger
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you used backports/not offical repositories?
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: does this file exist? -> /var/lib/dpkg/info/phpmyadmin.prerm
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi jjesse
[01:43] <jjesse> morning Kamping_Kaiser 
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hows it been?
[01:43] <jjesse> been really busy but good and u?
[01:43] <martinjh99> Nope to backports/unofficial - Yes the file does exist.
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. very much the same actualy.
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: try hacking line 12 to remove the refernece ;)
[01:45] <martinjh99> That seems to work!!  Apart from trying to remove /var/www which is a mount point to another partition.
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser>  dpkg -are | --remove | -P | --purge package ... | -a | --pending
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> ^ martin
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> er.. that's a lowercase R, not 'are'
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;$ auto spelling fixer, *removes*
[01:46] <martinjh99> Heehee
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> r
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> cool
[01:47] <martinjh99> Thanks mate!!  It wouldn't have occured to me to hack the file ;)
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. woth a shot
[01:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> wow. i might have actualy helped someone
[02:07] <osh> After I've installed cupsys, I should be able to connect to port 631 and configure printers and stuff, shouldn't I?
[02:08] <osh> Ah, localhost. Now it works. Nevermind.
[02:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol;
[02:14] <martinjh99> How do I stop apache wanting to download a php file instead of parsing it??
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: apache 1.3 or 2?
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1.3, of course :|
[02:15] <martinjh99> 1.3
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: i don't have 1.3, but you have to add a line to parse php files in the apache conf
[02:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> have you restarted apache after installing php?
[02:16] <martinjh99> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php ??
[02:16] <martinjh99> Yes I have restarted apache...
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, IIRC
[02:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i use 2 here
[02:16] <apokryphos> Riddell: hey, I thought you mentioned that kde was sticking with automake for kde 4 :/
[02:17] <osh> martinjh99: Do you have an "AddHandler" in your httpd.conf?
[02:17] <martinjh99> Kaiser I might change actually - The only problem doing that is that using home directory public_html dirs doesnt work...
[02:17] <Riddell> apokryphos: it isn't, so I doubt I would have said that
[02:18] <martinjh99> No I do not - Only a commented out example
[02:20] <apokryphos> aha, misread your comment back then. Ok, good to know I was wrong :)
[02:22] <martinjh99> Kaiser - think I have sussed it... ;)  The module is not being loaded at runtime...
[02:23] <martinjh99> Need to add libphp4.so the modules.conf file...
[02:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> martinjh99: wd. I'm supprised though :O
[02:23] <martinjh99> googled for the php docs...  I'm surprised too - I thought that installing the package would do it automatically.
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> it should
[02:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> but phpmyadmin *shoudl* have removed as well ;)
[02:25] <martinjh99> well yeah - Still wanting to download rather than parse it though...
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you run apt-get -f install (or aptitudes equivialnt) does it need to fix anything?
[02:26] <martinjh99> I think if I follow the php4 docs I should get it installed eventually...
[02:27] <martinjh99> Nothing to fix when doing apt-get -f install
[02:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. ok then :|
[02:27] <martinjh99> Cheers anyway...
[02:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> gl with it
[02:29] <martinjh99> Thanks - I'll get there eventually...
[02:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> you seem to be familar with the setup, so it shouldnt be to hard
[02:41] <martinjh99> It seems there is a problem with php4 and apache2 in Ubuntu which is also whats happeining with apache 1 - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=41687&highlight=installing+php
[02:42] <martinjh99> It seems to be working now Kaiser thanks!
[03:01] <_carl> Hi, I would like to know what you guys use for mp3 encoding, lame doesn't seem available in repository?
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's in multiverse i think
[03:02] <LjL> !info lame
[03:02] <ubotu> lame: (LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder), section multiverse/sound, is optional. Version: 3.96.1-1 (breezy), Packaged size: 222 kB, Installed size: 620 kB
[03:02] <_carl> hmm, any alternative to lame in universe?
[03:02] <doctormo> How do you install Apache2 on a kubuntu machine?
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> doctormo: sudo apt-get install apache2
[03:03] <LjL> _carl: not sure, as mp3 is a restricted format
[03:03] <LjL> _carl: why not just add multiverse?
[03:03] <_carl> yeah, you 're right...
[03:03] <JakubS_> is there another c++ transition going on (kdelibs4c2 -> kdelibs4c2a) ?
[03:03] <doctormo> LjL, mp3 is propritory
[03:04] <JakubS_> too bad it is also most popular 
[03:04] <doctormo> It's popularity makes it unpolicable
[03:04] <doctormo> gtg
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> use ogg
[03:05] <LjL> i'm not sure what you mean, but anyway
[03:05] <LjL> _carl: Kamping_Kaiser is right, use ogg if you can
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> encode to ogg, not mp3
[03:05] <_carl> I would like to use ogg, but my mp3 player use mp3...
[03:06] <LjL> _carl: i see
[03:06] <JakubS_> and kiss goodbye your portable mp3 player
[03:06] <_carl> I just recieved it for my birthday ;)
[03:06] <kkathman> hey there LjL :)
[03:06] <LjL> hi
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> JakubS_: depends on player ;)
[03:06] <JakubS_> they typically support mp3 and wma
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: cool :)
[03:06] <kkathman> howdy Kamping_Kaiser :)
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> allo kkathman :)
[03:07] <kkathman> cheers!
[03:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> np :)
[03:07] <kkathman> how are things down under, my friend?
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, not bad. lifes full for me atm. need a break :|
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> just got elected chairman of an nfop
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> *nfp
[03:08] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: understand that!! Always a busy time for me toward the end of the year :)
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: er. no, busy year ;)
[03:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> i have had no break larger then 3 days all year ;)
[03:09] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I always look at it this way..busy is good, its when things arent so busy you have to worry :)
[03:09] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: will you get some holiday time?
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: i leave for Tas on 27th dec. 
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> then to linuxconf in january, then home in febuary
[03:10] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: my birthday in fact :)
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> so about 1 month
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman:  :) realy? 27dec?
[03:10] <kkathman> yes sir
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> :O
[03:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> hope i can catch you then
[03:11] <kkathman> Tas  = Tasmania ?
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> yep
[03:11] <kkathman> wow!!
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> tas=home
[03:11] <kkathman> oh wow I didnt know that!
[03:11] <kkathman> I can honestly say..you are the first Tasmanian I have ever known :)
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. why would you ;)
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> hahaha. 
[03:11] <kkathman> Exciting day for me :)
[03:12] <kkathman> LOL
[03:12] <_carl> What bitrate should I use to encode my mp3 to have cd quality, do I have to encode in 320 kpbs?
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: there's a population of 440 000 in Tas, so not much chance to meet us ;)
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: over about 192 you cant realy tell
[03:12] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser:  thats about the size of the town where my son goes to college
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[03:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's the whole state
[03:12] <_carl> thanks Kamping_Kaiser
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: the state is about 1/2 -> 2/3 the size of great brittian
[03:13] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I see, but if they are all like you...a lively and kind people I must say :)
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: not all, it's like anyware ;)
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> just they tend to mostly be nice down there (untill all the freeking sidenysiders stareted going there *looks at hobsee*)
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> you know hobbsee right?
[03:14] <kkathman> sure
[03:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> shes from sydeny.
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: yeh, sydeny in NSW, VIC bellow NSW, then TAS bellow VIC
[03:16] <kkathman> ahhh well I'm not so embarassed then
[03:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:16] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: so where are you now, if you are going home to Tas
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> and to the side (east) of that is newzealand (which i willprobably move to when Aust becdomes to undemocratic)
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: south Australia
[03:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> go west from NSW and VIC and that's SA
[03:18] <kkathman> Ahh ok...so are you living in SA now, and then just returning back to Tas..or are you on assignment in SA?
[03:18] <creart> isn't it possible to get mplayer with Adept?
[03:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> no, i live in SA. I'm only 19 mate, i got moved here by my family when i was 11, now I'm thinking of going back now i finished school
[03:19] <kkathman> creart: yes
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> creart: yeh. it's multiverse
[03:19] <creart> but i believe i enabled all the xtra repositories, but still no mplayer or w32codec?
[03:19] <gsnedders> i
[03:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: i wont be going anyware for at least 12 months though, as being chair of theis NFP i have to be here
[03:20] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I see...you are a little younger than my middle child...my daughter...she just turned 21 this past week
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> creart: try pasteing your soruces list to see what your missing
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: i work with a bloke, and he said' so how old are you? 
[03:20] <kkathman> creart: check your sources.list...be sure its enabled, and then be sure to do a sudo apt-get update 
[03:20] <_carl> hmm, although my mp3 player is recognize and mounted (I see it on my kde desktop), amarok complains (Could not find device, please mount it and try again.) ?
[03:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i went' 19', and he went 'omg?'
[03:20] <creart> k, ill try that
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm 26 days younger then his oldest girl ;)
[03:21] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: hehe
[03:21] <gsnedders> how much RAM would Kubuntu need to run comfortably on a duron 700mhz?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> gsnedders: 256 would be nice
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> 128 would do
[03:21] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I have much respect for youth..I guess I'm still a kid at heart :)
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: check it's trying to mount the right device
[03:22] <_carl> Kamping_Kaiser, ok
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: your cool, stay that way ;). not many of you
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm  just lucky to now a lot of cool people through IRC
[03:22] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: Its always amazing the people on forums...they are all a cut above
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: yeh, i know, it's amazing. wish i could get there more
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> when i go there i have a warning about not having posted for a few weeks, every time :|
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> lifes just to full
[03:24] <kkathman> exactly Kamping_Kaiser!!
[03:24] <notech> hi guys!
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'll have to rebuil that whole scsi setup :|
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi notech :)
[03:25] <notech> i would like to use more my console than kde.. :)
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> nerd
[03:25] <notech> could someone suggest me some good programs like mp3 player from console,etc..?
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;P
[03:25] <kkathman> lol
[03:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> mplayer works ;)
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> what more could you need :P
[03:26] <notech> ahh,ok
[03:26] <notech> i used lynx for www browsing,cool
[03:26] <notech> :)
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> `mplayer songname >/dev/null 2>/dev/null` is all good "D
[03:26] <notech> thank u
[03:26] <creart> damn, still could'nt find mplayer or w32
[03:26] <dipnlik> notech: try links2 -g when possible
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> !w32codecs
[03:26] <ubotu> hmm... w32codecs is binary only codecs that some call evil., and they're available from http://giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[03:26] <notech> -g is for?
[03:27] <dipnlik> notech: and mp3blaster for playing mp3 and others
[03:27] <_carl> Kamping_Kaiser, I tried "mount /dev/sda1" and "mount /media/RCA_LYRA" and got the same output: Could not find device, please mount it and try again
[03:27] <dipnlik> notech: for graphics. it's links2 in a framebuffer. loads images :)
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> and mpg321 and mpg123
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: i havent used the app your trying, so i cant realy help a lot, but does it have a 'look for device here' option?
[03:28] <notech> something to open msn,irc messenger?
[03:28] <dipnlik> notech: if you're really into console, i strongly suggest the screen program
[03:28] <dipnlik> notech: centericq or bitlbee
[03:28] <_carl> Kamping_Kaiser, there is aonly a config button to tell the mount and umount command
[03:28] <dipnlik> notech: I use bitlbee, it is a virtal IRC server for talking to IM services :)
[03:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> notech: irssi-text
[03:28] <notech> what is the screen program u are talking about?
[03:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: oh
[03:29] <dipnlik> notech: for opening multiple terminals and more, you should google a tutorial
[03:29] <dipnlik> it is better than me tryiong to explaing everything :)
[03:29] <notech> :)
[03:29] <dipnlik> Kamping_Kaiser: sorry
[03:30] <notech> thanx
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.?
[03:31] <guigui> salut tt le monde
[03:31] <_carl> Kamping_Kaiser, thanks anyway, I'm asking in #amarok
[03:31] <dipnlik> notech: pvt
[03:31] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: we should see you more in #kubuntu-offtopic I think :)
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> _carl: good luck
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: you will ;)
[03:31] <guigui> is there any french man? or woman ??
[03:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kubuntu-fr
[03:32] <guigui> ??
[03:32] <kkathman> guigui: thinks there are lots of french men and women...maybe in France
[03:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> guigui: join #Kubuntu-fr
[03:32] <guigui> it's the first time i come .. sorry  :-(
[03:33] <notech> thank u i will try now and let u know if have some probs! see u!
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> guigui: that's ok
[03:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> no need to be sorry
[03:33] <guigui> ok 
[03:33] <guigui> could you tell me how the find a frech chatroom??
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> guigui: type `/join #Kubuntu-fr` 
[03:34] <guigui> thanks !!
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[03:36] <_carl> is it normal that kubuntu also uses gst for audio? That's the only option I see in amarok
[03:36] <sombra> is there any way of playing M$ games(such as PES5) in linux for free?
[03:37] <guigui> it's me.. (again I know) I don't know how to connect myself ...
[03:37] <guigui> could you explain me...?
[03:37] <guigui> :-)
[03:37] <Kamping_Kaise1> damn drop
[03:40] <guigui> thanks
[03:40] <Kamping_Kaise1> guigui: you managed to get into Kubuntu-fr?
[03:42] <osh> What's the default password in the cups web-gui? Root doesn't quite work as it doesn't have a password and my regular uid doesn't work either. Does cups have it's own passwd-file like webmin or does it look in /etc/passwd.
[03:42] <guigui> i've find the french room thanks !! :-)
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaise1> osh: it's turned off
[03:42] <Kamping_Kaise1> guigui: well done: ) have fun
[03:42] <guigui> :-)
[03:43] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: What's turned off? 
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaise1> cups web interface
[03:44] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: Well, there's something there answering. It just won't let me in since I don't have a login/passwd.
[03:45] <Kamping_Kaise1> osh, yes, i know what level of disabled it is ;) use the KDE interface
[03:46] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: Well, that's the thing, I don't have kde installed on that box. Hence the web-gui. ;-)
[03:46] <Kamping_Kaise1> osh: what's installed on it? :|
[03:46] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: the server files. nothing graphical.
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaise1> oh, ok. dunno about that one then ;|
[03:47] <osh> Kamping_Kaise1: And cups naturally.
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaise1> sure :)
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaise1> i don't remember how to reenable the full featured cups gui
[03:47] <sharket> hello
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaise1> hi sharket
[03:48] <sharket> how can i install plugins for mozilla from linux ?
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaise1> same as Windows, unless i m missing something in your question :|
[03:49] <sharket> same ?
[03:49] <sharket> no
[03:49] <kkathman> sharket: you can go to your preferences/plugins and there's a place to allow it to scan for plugins if you already have downloaded them too
[03:49] <Kamping_Kaise1> sharket: what mozilla?
[03:50] <sharket> i can't install same file that i do in windos
[03:50] <sharket> firefox
[03:50] <Kamping_Kaise1> firefox/tbird/browser?
[03:50] <kkathman> yep sure does Kamping_Kaise1
[03:50] <sharket> i saw it kkathman , but it put me in a java page, and that stuff, but i cann't because i use ppc 
[03:50] <sharket> is firefox a browser too, right ?
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaise1> firefox is onlya browser
[03:51] <sharket> firefox/tbird/browser?
[03:51] <sharket> u said as a different one
[03:51] <sharket> :)
[03:51] <mark---> missing Contacts in Kontact: they disappeared in the last day or so, 300 of them. I reinstalled Kontact but no help. Some data files appear to be in place in /usr/share/apps/kabc. These appear to be vCard format but I can't get them into Contacts. Any suggestions please?
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaise1> sharket: i was wondering what mozilla product :)
[03:52] <sharket> good
[03:52] <sharket> :)
[04:04] <bota> ciao!
[04:06] <sharket> ciao ?
[04:06] <sharket> uh
[04:06] <sharket> ciao means hello
[04:06] <sharket> :S
[04:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> both
[04:07] <LjL> hello *and* bye
[04:07] <sharket> at least in italy people don't say ciao
[04:07] <sharket> :))
[04:07] <LjL> uh? of course we do
[04:07] <sharket> maybe chao...
[04:07] <LjL> err, no
[04:07] <sharket> mmmm not allways
[04:08] <LjL> "chao" is the way you sometimes write it in english, to make it sound right in english
[04:08] <thoreauputic> sharket: in italian ciao is pronounced like chiao in English
[04:08] <sharket> no italian people told me ciao for say goodbye
[04:08] <LjL> but we write it "ciao", though it's pronounced about like "chah-aw"
[04:08] <sharket> wel..
[04:08] <sharket> in estonia people also say chao...
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:09] <LjL> sharket: ciao=hello=bye, informally. formally, you never use ciao, but "buongiorno" (good day), "buona sera" (good evening), etc -- and "arrivederci" (see you)
[04:09] <sharket> or in spain etc
[04:09] <notech> ciao
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> in Australia we say bye
[04:09] <bl3ssing> Hello everyone! 
[04:09] <bl3ssing> is there any msconfig command in Linux?
[04:09] <LjL> sharket: ok, but it's an italian word nonetheless :)
[04:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> bhahaha. 
[04:09] <LjL> sharket: we say "computer" in italy, but it remains an english word ;)
[04:09] <alerim> hi there
[04:09] <bobbyflinch> hey i need help!!!
[04:09] <sharket> ok don't kill me tutto va benne
[04:09] <sharket> :D
[04:09] <bl3ssing> bobbyflinch, what kind of help do you need? :-)
[04:10] <LjL> sharket: bene ;)
[04:10] <bobbyflinch> i did install kubuntu
[04:10] <notech> kas
[04:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: what do you want to do?
[04:10] <bl3ssing> k ...? and you want to uninstall it? or ...? :-))
[04:10] <bobbyflinch> alright a bunch haha where to start
[04:10] <sharket> i only have heard something in italian from some projects
[04:10] <sharket> just that
[04:10] <sharket> anyway thanks for the aclaration, i was j/k
[04:10] <sharket> :))
[04:10] <bl3ssing> I want to give a command like ... to run my xmms everytime my computer starts ... all the time.
[04:10] <bl3ssing> Kamping_Kaiser, 
[04:10] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:10] <bobbyflinch> ok so how do i get my resultion to like 800x something its on 640
[04:11] <kkathman> bl3ssing: just set up a symlink in your /home/.kde/Autostart
[04:11] <bl3ssing> ok bobbyflinch ... and the prb. is ...?
[04:11] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:11] <bobbyflinch> i did see the option for it but nothing greater than that
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: i don't have KDE, but i remember it has autostart
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah , hter eyou go ;)
[04:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> *there you
[04:11] <LjL> sharket: of course, it's ok :)
[04:11] <notech> why when i am in console and type screen it auto loads kde?? then i choose console login and it loads kde every 30-40 seconds
[04:12] <notech> thats annoyng,am i missing something
[04:12] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: start by right-clicking on your desktop, choose configure desktop and then Display
[04:12] <bobbyflinch> ya i am restarting guys! :D
[04:12] <bobbyflinch> lol never know
[04:12] <bobbyflinch> i regually a suzzy type of guy
[04:13] <bobbyflinch> she was my girl friend hehe
[04:13] <bobbyflinch> suse linux i used before
[04:13] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: well try what I just told you to change your resolution
[04:14] <bobbyflinch> ok wait its loading on a 500mhz computer so slow
[04:14] <bobbyflinch> hold up
[04:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> notech: i don't understand what your question is
[04:14] <bl3ssing> kkathman, I can't find any .kde file ......
[04:14] <bl3ssing> where should I ...?
[04:14] <Gambix> quel kde ?
[04:14] <kkathman> bl3ssing: its a DOT kde   ie.e   /home/.kde/Autostart
[04:14] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:15] <bl3ssing> that's right kkathman  ... no .kde
[04:15] <bl3ssing> :-(
[04:15] <notech> :) ok, i boot my laptop and when i am in kde login i choose console login for console. then i tryed screen command to run some programs
[04:15] <notech> but when i type it,it loads kde again!
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: it's ~/.KDE
[04:15] <Kamping_Kaiser> lowercase
[04:15] <notech> and this every 30-40 secs
[04:15] <kkathman> bl3ssing: uhm there has to be, you must not be enabling the system file look
[04:16] <bl3ssing> bobbyflinch ... you can use your Alt+F1 keys combinations, than go in System Seetings, than ... Desktop;
[04:16] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: on my system its lowercase .kde
[04:16] <bobbyflinch> ok its loaded almost guys!
[04:16] <bl3ssing> bobbyflinch, there you can do whatever you want with you Desktop Resolution. :-))
[04:16] <notech> (every time i choose Console login) to return to console,i don't know any other way to login in console
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: yeh, autospelling thing *debates turning it off totaly*
[04:16] <MenZa`> hmm
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> i keep forgetting it
[04:17] <bl3ssing> kkathman, ... symlink ....
[04:17] <kkathman> bl3ssing: everyone that runs KDE/kubuntu must have that directory unless you deleted it
[04:17] <MenZa`> I have Ubuntu installed, both with KDE and GNOME... Text seems quite large on the KDE interface - can I do anything about that? I am using 1600x1200.
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> even then you have it ;)
[04:17] <kkathman> bl3ssing: yes symbolic link
[04:17] <bl3ssing> lol ... I am not deleting anything ... unless I know for sure what I'm doing ..
[04:17] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: `rm -i` is your friend :)
[04:17] <bl3ssing> is the symlink a file for editing?
[04:17] <bl3ssing> lol about rm -i ... :-)
[04:17] <bl3ssing> LOL
[04:18] <bl3ssing> remove ... -i?
[04:18] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:18] <bl3ssing> =))
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> -i is 'question every file'
[04:18] <kkathman> bl3ssing: just find where your xmms is (probably in /usr/bin) and the create a symbolic link using ln -s
[04:18] <notech> how could i access to console? i mean not konsole
[04:18] <kkathman> bl3ssing: focus dude..calm down :)
[04:18] <bl3ssing> and ... than ... kkathman ?
[04:18] <Kimppa> Hi. Does anyone know a good alternative for gThumb Image Viewer? It keeps crashing for me all the time, especially when viewing images as large as 2,3 MB
[04:18] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:19] <kkathman> bl3ssing: I just told you
[04:19] <sharket> can i read the rss's with mozilla-firefox ?
[04:19] <bl3ssing> Kimppa, , renounce on using the gThumb Image Viewer ... Use another one.
[04:19] <bobbyflinch> Alright now how do i get to be a adminstrator on network settings!?
[04:19] <bl3ssing> ok kkathman; let's start with the beginning. 
[04:19] <kkathman> bl3ssing: ln -s <your source location> < target>
[04:20] <bl3ssing> kkathman, I have my xmms in the directory /usr/bin ... 
[04:20] <bl3ssing> here I have to create a new text file ...?
[04:20] <bl3ssing> and writting in it what?
[04:20] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: `ln -s /usr/bin/xmms ~/.k de/autostart`
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> er. no space
[04:20] <kkathman> bl3ssing: ok  good...then navigate to your home directory (i.e. /home/bl3ssing) or whatever
[04:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> in KDE
[04:21] <bobbyflinch> I WANT TO BE A ADMINSTRATOR FOR NETWORK SETTINGS HA! SAYS CLICK THE "ADMINISTRATOR MODE" BUTTON ETC ......WHERE IS THAT!?
[04:21] <kkathman> bl3ssing: better to do this in a konsole..and just type cd
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> bobbyflinch: you tell me
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> and don't yell
[04:22] <bobbyflinch> not sure
[04:22] <bobbyflinch> :D lol you tell me
[04:22] <Kimppa> bl3ssing: umm.. my question was if someone know another software I could use instead of gThumb o_O
[04:22] <kkathman> bl3ssing: please focus man...you cant be doing like 3 things at once
[04:23] <bobbyflinch> i can't find this adminstartor thing !!
[04:24] <bl3ssing> Kimppa, ...
[04:24] <bl3ssing> I'll answer to you in a sec
[04:24] <notech> how to access a 'pure' console? :)
[04:24] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:24] <bl3ssing> Alt+F2 ... and type Konsole
[04:24] <bl3ssing> notech, 
[04:24] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:24] <thoreauputic> notech:  ctrl-alt-F1 (or F2,3,4)
[04:24] <kkathman> bl3ssing: thats not a true console
[04:24] <bl3ssing> that's a real pure Console
[04:24] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:24] <kkathman> no
[04:25] <bl3ssing> why not kkathman ?
[04:25] <kkathman> bl3ssing: because its not
[04:25] <bl3ssing> shall I go out of kde and than ...?
[04:25] <bl3ssing> lol kkathman  ...
[04:25] <thoreauputic> bl3ssing: it's a terminal emulator
[04:25] <kkathman> right
[04:25] <kkathman> hey thoreauputic :)
[04:25] <thoreauputic> kkathman: :)
[04:25] <kkathman> ltns my friend :)
[04:26] <kkathman> greetings _hussam :)
[04:26] <bobbyflinch> haha guys where is the adminstrator option!? or button!!
[04:26] <thoreauputic> kkathman: real life keeps getting inthe way of IRC ;-)
[04:26] <bobbyflinch> hussam will know!
[04:26] <bobbyflinch> lol
[04:26] <kkathman> thoreauputic: shame how that seems to happen alot :)
[04:26] <doctormo> how do you install apache2 on Kubuntu
[04:26] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: life?
[04:27] <thoreauputic> kkathman: people just don't understand that real life is an illusion ;)
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> doctormo: using adept
[04:27] <hussam> kkathman: hey :)
[04:27] <Tm_T> thoreauputic: what does word "life" means?
[04:27] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: bit of a contradiction 8)
[04:27] <mornfall> apokryphos: not at all
[04:27] <bobbyflinch> hey :D help me out where is the admintrator button in network settings!!! 
[04:27] <thoreauputic> apokryphos: it's a paradox :)
[04:28] <apokryphos> you probably mean "what they think to be real"
[04:28] <kkathman> thoreauputic: I agree..and understand the conundrum :)
[04:28] <kkathman> apokryphos:  :)
[04:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> thoreauputic: can you help bobbyflinch?
[04:28] <apokryphos> though I of course still disagree :P, or think it a useless question 
[04:28] <thoreauputic> Kamping_Kaiser: if he can't see a button, not sure how to help :)
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> i see :)
[04:29] <thoreauputic> bobbyflinch: try starting kcontrol with " kdesu kcontrol "
[04:29] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: I had to read your last sentence a few times to make that make sense :)
[04:29] <apokryphos> thoreauputic: there's a fix for admin mode problem in breezy-updates
[04:29] <alerim> I have a problem with screenlock, my password is always refused when I try to unlock the screen. Any idea?
[04:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[04:31] <bobbyflinch> where is kdesu kcontrol!?
[04:31] <thoreauputic> bobbyflinch: you type that in konsole :)
[04:31] <bobbyflinch> i see system settings :D
[04:31] <bobbyflinch> ohh wow
[04:31] <bobbyflinch> ok
[04:32] <thoreauputic> bobbyflinch: it should ask for your password
[04:32] <Kaiser_Sleeps> night kkathman, apokryphos, thoreauputic, others
[04:32] <thoreauputic> Kaiser_Sleeps: 'night :)
[04:32] <apokryphos> 'night
[04:32] <Kaiser_Sleeps> later mates. I'll see you round
[04:32] <bobbyflinch> in the shell i guess right?
[04:32] <thoreauputic> bobbyflinch: yes
[04:33] <bobbyflinch> no pasword pitch black haha
[04:33] <bobbyflinch> lol scarying me ohh no!
[04:33] <alessandro> lol
[04:33] <thoreauputic> bobbyflinch: erm - are you using konsole?
[04:33] <bobbyflinch> i am using terminal program konsole
[04:34] <thoreauputic> bobbyflinch: at the prompt just type    kdesu kcontrol
[04:34] <notech> alt+ctrl+f1 was good for pure console! but how to return in kde then? :)
[04:34] <bobbyflinch> ohh wow!!!
[04:34] <bobbyflinch> you did something
[04:34] <thoreauputic> notech: alt-F7
[04:35] <notech> thanx :)
[04:35] <bobbyflinch> command not found
[04:35] <bobbyflinch> ajjj
[04:35] <bobbyflinch> ahhh*
[04:35] <thoreauputic> notech: X runs on F7 by default
[04:35] <thoreauputic> bobbyflinch: that seems unlikely - typo?
[04:36] <notech> another question: alt+ctrl+f1 if i am in kde,but how do i boot my computer without kde by default?
[04:36] <thoreauputic> notech: you can comment out "/usr/bin/kdm" in /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[04:36] <bobbyflinch> maybe i need to reinstall it with more options this kubuntu 
[04:37] <thoreauputic> notech: then it will boot to a prompt
[04:37] <notech> will try
[04:37] <thoreauputic> notech: but why?
[04:38] <notech> i am trying to use more console than kde,and other gui
[04:38] <bobbyflinch> good for you
[04:38] <thoreauputic> notech: if you do that you will start kde by typing  startx `which startkde`  ( those are backticks, not quotes)
[04:39] <notech> thanx
[04:39] <thoreauputic> or  startx /usr/bin/startkde    (same thing)
[04:40] <alex__> hi
[04:40] <notech> i see if i go to console by ctrl+alt+f1 then type startkde it will start but the fonts are larger than usual when it boots from default? is this normal?
[04:40] <alex__> anyone knwon a editor of pdf ?
[04:40] <bobbyflinch> hey you guys know how do i install more packages from this kubuntu, using the cd rom source?
[04:40] <thoreauputic> notech: hmm - i don't know, frankly
[04:41] <bobbyflinch> ohh i got it
[04:41] <bobbyflinch> adept
[04:41] <bobbyflinch> hehe nice
[04:41] <jjesse> bobbyflinch: yes through adept
[04:41] <jjesse> bobbyflinch: as long as your sources.list still contains the cdrom in it
[04:41] <alex__> which is an opensource  editor of pdf ?
[04:42] <thoreauputic> alex__: editing pdf is not really supported as such - although you can work around it by converting pdf to another format
[04:43] <thoreauputic> e.g. pdf2ps ( there's a pdf2html as well I think, but not installed by default)
[04:44] <alex__> so thoreauputic which program can convert pdt to latex text or other formats that keeps math formulas?
[04:44] <bobbyflinch> ya still i am in system control and click on network settings and dont see adminstartor
[04:44] <bobbyflinch> :(
[04:44] <notech> thoreauptic: in my deafult display manager i have only one line:
[04:44] <thoreauputic> alex__: that I don't know
[04:45] <thoreauputic> notech: yes that's normal
[04:45] <notech> what is that for?
[04:45] <notech> booting kde?
[04:45] <thoreauputic> notech: it probably says /usr/bin/kdm
[04:45] <notech> yes
[04:45] <thoreauputic> kdm is the login screen
[04:45] <thoreauputic> k display manager
[04:46] <notech> so i have to remove the line?
[04:46] <thoreauputic> just put a # in front of it
[04:46] <notech> ok
[04:46] <thoreauputic> then you can uncomment it later if you change your mind :)
[04:46] <notech> like to enable the repositories..
[04:46] <thoreauputic> ? 
[04:47] <notech> for apt-get..
[04:47] <thoreauputic> Oh you mean the commenting - yes it's the standard way
[04:47] <notech> :)
[04:47] <thoreauputic> usually lines beginning with # are ignored
[04:47] <notech> ok,now when i reboot i will have console?
[04:47] <thoreauputic> should have, yes
[04:47] <notech> now try..thanx see u
[04:48] <kkathman> thoreauputic: what file is it that has that /usr/bin/kdm  just curious :)
[04:48] <bl3ssing> what happend to me? :-) I've pressed CTRL+ALT+F1 and ... was out of the KDE Desktop; how can I get inside of it back?
[04:48] <notech> f7!
[04:48] <notech> :)))
[04:48] <thoreauputic> kkathman:  /etc/X11/default-display-manager
[04:48] <kkathman> bl3ssing: ctrl-alt F7
[04:48] <kkathman> thanx thoreauputic
[04:48] <thoreauputic> bl3ssing:  press alt-F7
[04:48] <bobbyflinch> but ya i see the eth0 dhcp protocol state is disabled and yai want to enable it....
[04:48] <bl3ssing> thanks kkathman ...
[04:48] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:48] <doctormo> sdept does not work (or at least the guis on top of it)
[04:48] <doctormo> *adept
[04:49] <bl3ssing> DONE!
[04:49] <bobbyflinch> :D someone help me
[04:49] <thoreauputic> kkathman: strictly speaking from a tty you don't need the ctrl ( alt-F7 is enough)  :)
[04:49] <bobbyflinch> being a adminstator is harder than i ever thought
[04:49] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: you are in KDE yes?
[04:49] <bobbyflinch> yes
[04:49] <bobbyflinch> kkathman- yes
[04:49] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: can you click on the Administrator mode on that screen?
[04:50] <bl3ssing> as about the autostart program whenever I'm starting my Computer ... it is not working ... I've typed this line: "ln-s /usr/bing/xmms ~/.kde/autostart" from the konsole, and nothing ... appearead when I restarted my computer. Why?
[04:50] <bobbyflinch> -kathman i dont see it
[04:50] <kkathman> bl3ssing: thats wrong
[04:50] <doctormo> I do a search for apache but only find apache 1.3 (not apache2
[04:50] <kkathman> bobbyflinch:  you dont have an admin button?
[04:50] <bobbyflinch> no :(
[04:51] <thoreauputic> bl3ssing: it's Autostart - and it's a directory not a file
[04:51] <bobbyflinch> should i log out?
[04:51] <kkathman> bl3ssing: type this instead:  ln -s /usr/bin/xmms ~/.kde/Autostart/xmms
[04:51] <thoreauputic> bl3ssing: your commands need to be in a file in that dir
[04:51] <doctormo> what is apache2 called in adept?
[04:51] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: how are you logged in?
[04:51] <thoreauputic> doctormo: apache2 I believe :)
[04:51] <bobbyflinch> kde
[04:51] <bobbyflinch> :)
[04:51] <thoreauputic> !info apache2
[04:51] <ubotu> apache2: (next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.54-5ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 80 kB
[04:51] <bl3ssing> what kind of file ... thoreauputic ?
[04:52] <kkathman> bl3ssing: just type that command dude
[04:52] <thoreauputic> bl3ssing: *sigh* try what kkathman suggested
[04:52] <bl3ssing> no kkathman; I'd like to know about what kind of file I can create to ...
[04:52] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:52] <jjesse> doctormo: did you do a search in adept for apache?
[04:52] <kkathman> bl3ssing: and delete anything that you did before
[04:52] <bl3ssing> kkathman, how can I delete ... what I've done before?
[04:52] <bl3ssing> where should I go to ...?
[04:52] <bl3ssing> :-(
[04:53] <thoreauputic> bl3ssing: a symlink is a file too - that's what kkathman was telling you with that command
[04:53] <kkathman> bl3ssing: go to ~/.kde/Autostart   then do an ls -al and see whats there
[04:53] <bl3ssing> k kkathman, one sec. pls.
[04:53] <thoreauputic> kkathman: he used a lower case "a" so ...
[04:53] <kkathman> bobbyflinch:  sorry, are you logged in under your regular user name?
[04:54] <kkathman> thoreauputic: ahhh...good catch
[04:54] <bl3ssing> you're right thore
[04:54] <bl3ssing> thoreauputic, 
[04:54] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:54] <bl3ssing> thanks man/girl. :-)
[04:54] <kkathman> thoreauputic: it didnt look like he had anything on the end either
[04:54] <bobbyflinch> yes i am in my regualr name
[04:55] <bobbyflinch> i need root acess
[04:55] <bl3ssing> how can I go to find the Autostart file? kkathman ?
[04:55] <bobbyflinch> :D
[04:55] <thoreauputic> see you all :0
[04:55] <bobbyflinch> ok bye thoreaauptic
[04:55] <kkathman> bl3ssing: its a directory in ~/.kde
[04:55] <bobbyflinch> big nackname i say
[04:55] <bl3ssing> how can I get there .... kkathman ? sorry but I'm out of this ...
[04:55] <bl3ssing> :-(
[04:55] <doctormo> needed an update to repository... odd
[04:56] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: ok now tell me how you are accessing the network settings?
[04:56] <bobbyflinch> but ya i need root acess
[04:56] <bobbyflinch> i click the k and system settings
[04:56] <kkathman> bl3ssing: cd ~/.kde
[04:56] <bobbyflinch> then ya network settings :)
[04:56] <kkathman> bobbyflinch:  ok. 
[04:57] <bobbyflinch> and i need root acess now . . .
[04:57] <bl3ssing> thanks kkathman ...
[04:57] <bl3ssing> I'm on ~/.kde/Autostart
[04:57] <bl3ssing> what can I do right now?
[04:57] <kkathman> bobbyflinch:  and when you do that, a little window pops up and says its getting your devices and then displays the screen?
[04:57] <kkathman> bl3ssing: now type that ln -s command I showed you up a bit ago
[04:58] <bobbyflinch> well i abunch of things show up of course i clicked network settings
[04:58] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: ok.. a screen pops up... should show eth0 kinda greyed out?
[04:58] <bobbyflinch> ya detectying your current platform
[04:58] <bobbyflinch> then its grey
[04:59] <bobbyflinch> and red x
[04:59] <bl3ssing> :-) nothing ...
[04:59] <bl3ssing> :-(
[04:59] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: ok..eventually that should go away
[04:59] <kkathman> bl3ssing:  what do you mean.. nothing?
[04:59] <bobbyflinch> i wish it wasn't red! with a white x
[04:59] <bl3ssing> I've typed: ln -s
[04:59] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: ok...now that means its not enabled
[04:59] <bl3ssing> and ... there's nothing appearing 
[04:59] <bl3ssing> :-(
[04:59] <bobbyflinch> ya i know that
[04:59] <bobbyflinch> i want to enable it :D
[05:00] <kkathman> bobbyflinch:  can you reposition that screen up a bit...make sure you see the whole thing..and see if there arent three buttons at the bottom right
[05:00] <bl3ssing> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/441013
[05:00] <bobbyflinch> ohh i dont see those
[05:00] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: Administrator Mode, Reset, and Apply (greyed out)
[05:00] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: hmmm odd
[05:00] <bl3ssing> kkathman, ... can you read this link ...? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/441013 
[05:00] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:00] <kkathman> bl3ssing: patience, please
[05:00] <bobbyflinch> ohhh i see how do i make it sso i see everything!! ohh man shud of thought of that
[05:01] <bobbyflinch> :D how do i make it so i see the 3 buttons
[05:01] <bobbyflinch> i am so excited!
[05:01] <bobbyflinch> heh
[05:01] <bl3ssing> sure kkathman ... without patient, I'll die. :-) 
[05:01] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: can you do a screen shot and paste it in http://kubuntu.pastebin.com  for me?
[05:02] <bobbyflinch> i am not conencted to the internet
[05:02] <bl3ssing> lol bobbyflinch ...
[05:02] <kkathman> ohh yeah shoot, sorry lol
[05:02] <bl3ssing> how can you chat with us than? 
[05:02] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:02] <kkathman> hes on another computer I imagine
[05:02] <bl3ssing> aha
[05:02] <bobbyflinch> haha right
[05:02] <bobbyflinch> of course!
[05:02] <bl3ssing> that's right ...
[05:02] <bobbyflinch> on suse linux
[05:02] <bl3ssing> he said something about ...
[05:02] <bl3ssing> :)
[05:03] <kkathman> ok bobbyflinch
[05:03] <bobbyflinch> but ya how do i make the windows smaller :)?
[05:03] <kkathman> lets try this another way
[05:03] <bobbyflinch> ok lets go brotha!
[05:03] <bobbyflinch> haha
[05:03] <kkathman> can you get to a konsole
[05:03] <bobbyflinch> sure 
[05:04] <bobbyflinch> i get scared in the konsole for some reason
[05:04] <kkathman> ahh ok
[05:04] <kkathman> no problem
[05:04] <bobbyflinch> ok shoot whats the command!
[05:04] <bobbyflinch> hehe
[05:04] <kkathman> do this from kde then....do an Alt-F2 and type kdesu kate
[05:04] <kkathman> that will bring up a text editor
[05:05] <kkathman> bl3ssing: in the meantime...are you still in ~/.kde/Autostart ?
[05:05] <bobbyflinch> warnings!!!
[05:05] <bobbyflinch> ohh no
[05:05] <kkathman> warnings?
[05:05] <bobbyflinch> ya a lot
[05:05] <kkathman> hmm
[05:05] <bobbyflinch> kbuildsycoca
[05:05] <^rob^> hi
[05:06] <kkathman> ???
[05:06] <bobbyflinch> ok were good now
[05:06] <bobbyflinch> lol
[05:06] <bobbyflinch> i got scared man!
[05:06] <kkathman> ok
[05:06] <kkathman> can you open this file:  /etc/network/interfaces
[05:07] <bobbyflinch> k wait
[05:07] <bobbyflinch> yes
[05:07] <bobbyflinch> i can
[05:07] <kkathman> bl3ssing: type this:   ln -s /usr/bin/xmms ~/.kde/Autostart/xmms
[05:07] <^rob^> i am having some problems adding in gtk browser a folder to bookmarks : ex opening gimp, open file - i want in bookmark to have the latest project folder - when i click add say: Bookmark saving failed: could not change file mode: waitpid() failed no child process!!!
[05:08] <kkathman> there is a space between the first xmms and the ~
[05:08] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: let me know when you get that file up in the editor
[05:08] <bobbyflinch> it is done
[05:08] <bobbyflinch> :D
[05:08] <kkathman> ok
[05:08] <kkathman> kewls
[05:08] <bobbyflinch> i know so awesome i am excited
[05:08] <bobbyflinch> tells me nothing though :X
[05:09] <bobbyflinch> basic stuff i know
[05:09] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: ok now there should be some things in that file we need to look at
[05:09] <bobbyflinch> ok lets go!
[05:09] <^rob^> anyone had the same problem?
[05:09] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: first is there a line that starts #The network loopback
[05:09] <bobbyflinch> yes
[05:09] <bobbyflinch> auto lo 
[05:10] <bobbyflinch> iface lo inet loopback
[05:10] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: address 127.0.0.1  and netmask  255.0.0.0 ??
[05:11] <bobbyflinch> ahh notsure to be honest i thought kubunti was helping me out with auto!
[05:11] <kkathman> well hold on
[05:11] <kkathman> do you have those other two lines there?
[05:11] <kkathman> address 127.0.0.1
[05:12] <kkathman> netmask 255.0.0.0
[05:12] <bobbyflinch> lol how do i just see the 3 buttons below!
[05:12] <bobbyflinch> haha
[05:12] <bobbyflinch> all i neeed :D
[05:12] <kkathman> bobbyflinch:  please just follow ok?
[05:12] <bobbyflinch> ok ok 
[05:12] <bobbyflinch> no there isn't
[05:12] <kkathman> gotta get you connected..then we get you updated ok?
[05:13] <kkathman> ok then right after that iface lo inet loopback line...add those two lines I just typed
[05:13] <kkathman> on separate lines
[05:13] <bobbyflinch> ok wonderful let me do that
[05:13] <bl3ssing> done
[05:14] <bl3ssing> I'll restart my computer to check the XMMS if it will start automatically
[05:14] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:14] <bl3ssing> ok kkathman ?
[05:14] <kkathman> bl3ssing: yep
[05:14] <bobbyflinch> ok done typing it :D
[05:14] <bobbyflinch> now save it?
[05:14] <kkathman> bobbyflinch:  not yet
[05:15] <bobbyflinch> ok ok 
[05:15] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: ok now down the file a bit...is there a heading that says # The primary network interface ??
[05:15] <bobbyflinch> ya iface inetshcp
[05:16] <bobbyflinch> eth0 
[05:16] <bobbyflinch> iface eth0 inet dchp
[05:16] <kkathman> hmm
[05:17] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: ok..under that heading..you should have the following:  Please put these in:
[05:17] <kkathman> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[05:17] <kkathman> auto eth0
[05:17] <bobbyflinch>  ok :D
[05:18] <kkathman> are those there?
[05:18] <bobbyflinch> ya i had the first one ;)
[05:18] <bobbyflinch> are we done now ... .save it?
[05:19] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: yes save that
[05:19] <bobbyflinch> alrighty
[05:19] <bobbyflinch> now what?
[05:20] <kkathman> ok now lets go to a konsole please
[05:20] <bl3ssing> I'm back kkathman, but ... when my system starts, a sound is singing (the StartUp one ...); having the xmms among the Autostart programs, this xmms will not be able of singing. Is there any possibility of listening to more than one  sound same time? 
[05:22] <bl3ssing> cause by example, if I'll be willing of listening to a movie sound and an mp3 file, it is impossible.  
[05:22] <bobbyflinch> i give up on kubunru :D
[05:22] <bl3ssing> well, I want to use both ... to hear to both of them. Is there any possibiility of ..?
[05:22] <bobbyflinch> i am sorry
[05:22] <bl3ssing> you don't have to ... bobbyflinch  ...
[05:22] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:22] <bl3ssing> you're sorry for ...?
[05:22] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: aawww its gonna be ok
[05:22] <fyrmedic> How do I upgrade from ubuntu to kubuntu without reinstalling my entire system?
[05:22] <bl3ssing> everything's going to be perfect.
[05:23] <bobbyflinch> :D its upsetting for a girl like me to not get it!
[05:23] <bobbyflinch> maybe not smart enough
[05:23] <bobbyflinch> :(
[05:23] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: are you at a konsole?
[05:23] <bobbyflinch> yes i am 
[05:23] <kkathman> ok type:  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[05:23] <bl3ssing> not at all ... bobbyflinch ... I'm a boy, not a smart one (even I'm an engineer in Comptuers ... :-) ...) and I've never said that I will quit with kubuntu. It is very good one. I like it.
[05:23] <bl3ssing> even I'm jsut a newbie, I'm still here.
[05:24] <bobbyflinch> ok were good now
[05:24] <bobbyflinch> did that command :)
[05:24] <bobbyflinch> bl#ssing - try suse sshhh :X
[05:24] <doctormo> does anyone know much about wifi?
[05:25] <kkathman> bobbyflinch:  in that same konsole...now type  ping 64.233.167.104
[05:25] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: let me know what happens
[05:25] <bobbyflinch> network unreachable :(
[05:25] <bl3ssing> bobbyflinch, I'm sorry, but I don't have any suse system. Only XP and Kubuntu; the most used in the last 2 weeks is Kubuntu. The only one thing I'm using WinXp is for yahoo messenger ... for the offline messages and for the premiere software. Otherwise ... just Kubuntu and it is vrey nice.
[05:26] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: ok..now can you tell me if you are attached to a router or directly to the net?
[05:26] <bobbyflinch> yahoo messenger lol use kopete
[05:26] <bobbyflinch> ya i am in a router
[05:26] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: ahhh ok
[05:27] <bl3ssing> kopete doesn't record the offline messages ... :-(
[05:27] <bobbyflinch> it shud :)
[05:27] <bl3ssing> cause I'm using it ...
[05:27] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: do you happen to know the IP address of your router?
[05:27] <bl3ssing> but ... nothing about the offline messages.
[05:27] <bl3ssing> :-(
[05:27] <bobbyflinch> ya i do :)
[05:27] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: excellent
[05:27] <bobbyflinch> ohh man though back to all this now!
[05:28] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: hehe its just methodical
[05:28] <bobbyflinch> lol ill just give it a shot later on a different network i am sure the 127 adress will be fine on my friends network
[05:28] <bobbyflinch> :)
[05:28] <bobbyflinch> i am in the 10.0.0.1 :)
[05:28] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: well, ok...we just needed to change that file again to include your gateway
[05:28] <bl3ssing> yeah, right bobbyflinch! :-)
[05:29] <bobbyflinch> hes in the 127. 0. 0. 1 my friend
[05:29] <kkathman> then should be ok
[05:29] <bobbyflinch> well thanks!
[05:29] <bl3ssing> kkathman, did you forget me? :-(
[05:29] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you rebooted
[05:29] <bobbyflinch> lol bl3ssing you have been blessed
[05:29] <bobbyflinch> :)
[05:29] <ronino> hi
[05:29] <bobbyflinch> ok ya thanks guys i think its gunna be a suse computer!
[05:29] <bobbyflinch> so much easier
[05:29] <bobbyflinch> or debian :)
[05:29] <bl3ssing> thanks bobbyflinch  ... I know i've been very blessed since I have a very nice fiancee ... I love her so very much ... that in March 2006 we'll get wed. :-)
[05:29] <bobbyflinch> :D debian hehe unlimted packages
[05:30] <kkathman> bobbyflinch: have a good one, sorry we couldnt finish your configuration
[05:30] <ronino> i have installed kubuntu, but somehow the keyboard layout is not the right one, though i chose Germany during installation, what can i do?
[05:30] <bobbyflinch> all these problems!
[05:30] <bobbyflinch> haah
[05:30] <bl3ssing> go in the system seetings ronino  ... 
[05:30] <bobbyflinch> ok good luck everyone
[05:30] <raphink> bobbyflinch: good luck to you too ;)
[05:31] <bobbyflinch> hey all since you kinda helped me ahh i would like to share a website!
[05:31] <bobbyflinch> :D
[05:31] <kkathman> hey raphink :)
[05:31] <raphink> btw, ubuntu uses debian packages
[05:31] <raphink> hi kkathman 
[05:31] <bobbyflinch> www.gogloom.com
[05:31] <ronino> bl3ssing: in kcontrol?
[05:31] <bl3ssing> sure
[05:31] <bl3ssing> there's the keyboard seetings you can find ...
[05:31] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:31] <raphink> ronino: if you want you can use kcontrol yes
[05:31] <kkathman> bl3ssing:  did xmms start on reboot?
[05:31] <bobbyflinch> check out gogloom :D
[05:31] <bl3ssing> and I assume there's the possibility of changing it. :-) 
[05:32] <bobbyflinch> www.gogloom.com
[05:32] <bobbyflinch> :D
[05:32] <bl3ssing> kkathman, yes. But the sound ... nope. it gave me an error because when the ssytem started up, the sound of the Start-Up sound has just been appealed and ... the xmms isn't playing when another sound is activated.
[05:32] <bl3ssing> :-(
[05:32] <ronino> then my mouse pointer is jumping around like crazy, where can i configure the mouse?
[05:33] <raphink> nice site bobbyflinch 
[05:33] <bl3ssing> what can I do to be able to listen to more than 2 sounds same time ...? 
[05:33] <kkathman> bl3ssing: sounds like your link worked, but xmms isnt configured right
[05:33] <raphink> ronino: in systemsettings too
[05:33] <bl3ssing> ronino, the same, in kcontrol.
[05:33] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:33] <bl3ssing> or system seetings.
[05:33] <kkathman> bl3ssing: I am not an xmms expert
[05:33] <ronino> okay
[05:33] <bl3ssing> kkathman, ... it is not about xmms
[05:33] <raphink> bl3ssing: using what version of kde ?
[05:33] <bl3ssing> it is only about the sound of the sistem
[05:33] <bl3ssing> I'm using kubuntu 10.0
[05:33] <bl3ssing> 5.10
[05:33] <bl3ssing> sorry
[05:34] <raphink> did you upgrade kde ?
[05:34] <ronino> bl3ssing, raphink: what is systems settings, if it's not kcontrol?
[05:34] <bl3ssing> it is not about hte xmms ... it is about that kubuntu can't play 2 sounds same time, right?
[05:34] <bl3ssing> it is the same ronino.
[05:34] <raphink> ronino: systemsettings is a new gui to set KDE, like kcontrol
[05:34] <Delvien> aanyone know how to add additional Keyboard layouts, for brand new keyboards?
[05:34] <raphink> but you can use kcontrol
[05:34] <bl3ssing> system seetings's the neq gui to set kde...
[05:34] <bl3ssing> the same as kcontrol ...
[05:34] <raphink> Delvien: you can't find it in systemsettings?
[05:34] <bl3ssing> Delvien, depending on the purpose you're using the keyboard.
[05:35] <bl3ssing> if you're using it in OpenOffice ... then you can configure it from the OpenOffice
[05:35] <bl3ssing> in System Seetings are another possibility of changing it.
[05:35] <bl3ssing> kkathman, if I'm starting another audio player program, than it will be the same as xmms. 
[05:36] <bl3ssing> everything's about the 2 sounds which're willing of singing same time. but the kubuntu doesn't allow to them singing the same time. why not?
[05:36] <Delvien> raphink bl3ssing Well got this new mx5000 set from logitech , but cant seem to have the my music button work to open amaroK, but in xev it says its a valid key. and registers
[05:36] <bl3ssing> :-(
[05:36] <raphink> Delvien: did you set the shortcut ?
[05:36] <bl3ssing> this mx500 from logitech, it has a linux driver or not?
[05:37] <raphink> it doesn't matter much
[05:37] <Delvien> raphink trying, but it wont register in the shortcut editor
[05:37] <raphink> many keyboards use a standard for multimedia keys
[05:37] <Delvien> bl3ssing no not exactly
[05:37] <raphink> you can try other keyboards and see what keys are recognized
[05:37] <Delvien> raphink am i missing where im supposed to be setting it
[05:37] <raphink> I even had a remote control work this way
[05:38] <bl3ssing> than .. you shoudl go in adept .. .and trying to find the keyboard/mouse (if it will be the case for the last one too) driver ...
[05:38] <raphink> Delvien: in kcontrol or systemsettings
[05:38] <bl3ssing> and ... installing ... 
[05:38] <raphink> if you want to be able to launch amarok with it
[05:38] <raphink> if you want to control amarok with it
[05:38] <raphink> then in amarok ;)
[05:38] <raphink> no bl3ssing 
[05:38] <raphink> there is no keyboard drivers packaged as far as I know
[05:38] <Delvien> raphink ok , in keyboard shortcuts?
[05:39] <raphink> sure Delvien 
[05:39] <Delvien> lol 
[05:39] <bl3ssing> heheheh
[05:40] <Delvien> rraphink when in there and when i press the button it deselects the box, but doesnt change it to that button. 
[05:40] <bl3ssing> everything's about the 2 sounds which're willing of singing same time. but the kubuntu doesn't allow to them singing the same time. why not?
[05:41] <bl3ssing> restart the computer Delvien 
[05:41] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:41] <Delvien> why?
[05:41] <raphink> bl3ssing: this is not windows
[05:41] <raphink> :p
[05:41] <bl3ssing> maybe you shuld do it ... just do it. Than ... I supose your keyboard will be initialized again ... 
[05:41] <bl3ssing> I know raphink ...
[05:41] <raphink> restarting a computer doesn't help much, most of the time :p
[05:42] <bl3ssing> this is not the meaning that you don't have to restart your computer for a better refreshing ...
[05:42] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:42] <raphink> Delvien: does it say the name of the key when you press it?
[05:42] <Delvien> no
[05:42] <raphink> then it means it's not recognized
[05:42] <Delvien> and the key is recognized in Xev
[05:42] <kkathman> bl3ssing: I would say that having two sounds playing simultaneously wouldnt be a requirement for most players :)
[05:42] <raphink> did you set the keyboard layout Delvien ?
[05:42] <Delvien> thats whyt io asked if there is a way to get new keyboard layouts 
[05:42] <bl3ssing> this is not a solution kkathman ...
[05:43] <Delvien> raphink it doesnt have mine because this keyboard is so new
[05:43] <raphink> Delvien: try other keyboards of the kind
[05:43] <kkathman> bl3ssing: if you would like to make an enhancement request to XMMS go to their page and enter it
[05:43] <raphink> like other logitech ones
[05:43] <bl3ssing> ok ... kkathman 
[05:43] <raphink> or even other kind of keyboards
[05:43] <raphink> it might work
[05:43] <bl3ssing> I'm not using the xmms especially ...
[05:43] <raphink> you have to find a keyboard that is close to yours Delvien 
[05:43] <bl3ssing> but I'm opened for amarok or any other audio player
[05:44] <bl3ssing> I just want to play my file without existing any conflicts between the first palyer and the second one.
[05:45] <kkathman> bl3ssing: why would 2 players be playing at the same time?
[05:45] <Delvien> raphink i switched over to me itouch logitech, set it to the itouch keyboard layout and that doesnt work either.. 
[05:45] <bl3ssing> it is not about playing the same time ...
[05:45] <raphink> try other ones Delvien 
[05:45] <raphink> try microsoft ones, or anything 
[05:45] <raphink> till you find a keyboard that recognizes your keys
[05:45] <Delvien> hehe ive gone through the whole list before i came in here and asked
[05:46] <raphink> cmon there are about 50 keyboards listed
[05:46] <raphink> you can't have tried them all and found nothing that would fit
[05:46] <bl3ssing> it is not about playing ... it is just that if I'm strating my media player to watch any short movie, than ... while my audio player will be running, why should I strop the audio player to hear the media player sound one? :-( 
[05:46] <bl3ssing> in windows you can listen to many sounds smae time ...
[05:46] <raphink> what's your kbd name again Delvien ?
[05:46] <Delvien> raphink all of them regocnize the mail key.. /sigh
[05:47] <bl3ssing> why whouldn't it be like this in linux too? cause this is a very nice opportunity for me.
[05:47] <Delvien> raphink Logitech Mx5000
[05:47] <kkathman> bl3ssing: well I'd go to the forums and see if you can get an answer
[05:47] <raphink> thats funny
[05:47] <raphink> there are MX kbs
[05:48] <raphink> kbds
[05:48] <raphink> but they're not logitech
[05:48] <raphink> they are memorex
[05:48] <Delvien> aye diff layouts
[05:48] <Kimppa> Hi. Does anyone know how I can get skype to use xine-engine instead of arts?
[05:48] <raphink> did you try these ones?
[05:48] <Delvien> iim on a memorex now
[05:48] <raphink> Delvien: try the shortcut again 
[05:48] <Delvien> i went through every single layout before i came to konversation and asked
[05:48] <raphink> see if the key is recognized
[05:48] <Delvien> raphink its not hehe
[05:49] <bl3ssing> k kkathman ; thanks for ... help.  God bless all of you. :-)
[05:49] <kkathman> cya bl3ssing :)
[05:49] <raphink> Delvien: each time you tried a layout, did you go to the shortcut stuff and try to use the key?
[05:49] <Delvien> raphink none of the layouts work.,. i asked if there is anyway to set them or install one
[05:49] <Delvien> aye
[05:49] <bl3ssing> I'm not going anywhere kkathman  ...
[05:49] <bl3ssing> I'll be right over here ...
[05:49] <kkathman> oh ok
[05:49] <bl3ssing> ;))
[05:49] <kkathman> hehe
[05:49] <kkathman> over where?
[05:49] <kkathman> lol
[05:49] <raphink> Delvien: I mean : you say you tested each layout
[05:49] <Delvien> yes i did
[05:50] <Delvien> took me like an hour
[05:50] <raphink> does that mean you just selected each, then tried pushing the key and it did nothing
[05:50] <raphink> or that you tried each, then each time went to the shortcut page and tried changing the key?
[05:50] <Delvien> yyes i tried to set the shortcut with each layout
[05:50] <raphink> hmm
[05:50] <raphink> well then you can still create a layout for this kbd ;)
[05:51] <Delvien> hhow hehe?
[05:51] <raphink> google for it
[05:54] <bl3ssing> When my system starts, a sound is singing (the StartUp one ...); having the xmms among the Autostart programs, this xmms will not be able of singing (it can be any player). Is there any possibility of listening to more than one  sound same time? 
[05:54] <bl3ssing> has anybody an answer for this "pb"?
[05:54] <Delvien> wow that looks like a  pain in the ass
[05:56] <Delvien> bl3ssing google it or search on ubuntuforums.org. ive seen that somewhere before
[05:57] <kkathman> hey Delvien  yah I told him the same thing
[05:59] <bl3ssing> how can I make my mozilla being the default internet browser ...? I'm uninstalling the konquer cause I don't need it. :-)
[06:00] <robotgeek> bl3ssing: if you are using alsa, you need the dmix plugin. that's abt all i know
[06:01] <bl3ssing> trying to install alsa robotgeek; thanks ... hope it will work.
[06:02] <robotgeek> bl3ssing: good luck
[06:04] <kkathman> bl3ssing: on the default browser thing...are you under kde/kubuntu?
[06:05] <bl3ssing> yeap
[06:05] <bl3ssing> kkathman, 
[06:05] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:06] <kkathman> bl3ssing: ok..do this... Alt-F2, type kcontrol...choose KDE Components from the left side then choose Component Chooser...then on the right..choose Web Browser and type firefox
[06:08] <bl3ssing> robotgeek, , where can i get this dmix plugin from? Adept doesn't recognize the command dmix
[06:08] <bl3ssing> :-(
[06:09] <robotgeek> bl3ssing: http://www.alsa-project.org/ and search for dmix
[06:09] <bl3ssing> kkathman, this is allready done ... :-)
[06:09] <bl3ssing> thanks man.
[06:09] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:09] <ronino> i'm plugging in an usbstick, a konq window pops up saying "media:/sda1 does not exist"
[06:09] <ronino> what to do?
[06:09] <bl3ssing> robotgeek, i'll do it in a sec.
[06:09] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you are all set then for your browser thing then
[06:09] <ronino> do i have to configure something?
[06:09] <bl3ssing> yeap
[06:09] <ronino> and what and where?
[06:09] <bl3ssing> you need to have a root right to access that sda1
[06:10] <bl3ssing> I think you have to mount that sda1
[06:10] <bl3ssing> same as for any hdd
[06:10] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:10] <bl3ssing> ronino, I'm talking to you.
[06:10] <bl3ssing> =))
[06:10] <bl3ssing> in case you don't know.
[06:12] <ronino> bl3ssing: of course ;-)
[06:13] <alvonsius> ronino ... have you upgrade your kubuntu?
[06:13] <alvonsius> coz my box run well with usbdrive after dat
[06:13] <ronino> bl3ssing: i guess i can setup /etc/fstab in such a way that the device is listed there and the mount directory exists
[06:14] <ronino> alvonsius: i ran apt-get update and upgrade, but i haven't rebooted after that, should i?
[06:14] <bl3ssing> mine as well alvonsius  ...
[06:14] <bl3ssing> but maybe ronino is not knowing that Linux doesn't need to be restarted after any updading. :-)
[06:14] <bl3ssing> didn't you say anything about not to restart your comptuer in linux after updating any software? :-))
[06:14] <ronino> bl3ssing: for a kernel upgrade sure
[06:14] <bl3ssing> you're funny ronino ...
[06:14] <alvonsius> yup ... you don't have to restart it
[06:14] <bl3ssing> really?
[06:15] <bl3ssing> it is the same for the kernel ...
[06:15] <bl3ssing> so ... don't worry
[06:15] <bl3ssing> the kernel is not configurated as in win where all the kernels are individually .. for each soft/driver/... 
[06:15] <bl3ssing> not the same for linux
[06:15] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:15] <robotgeek> bl3ssing: not quite. for kernel upgrades, you would need to reboot for it to take effect. however, you don't need to reboot 
[06:16] <ronino> who the heck configure konq's tool bar?
[06:16] <ronino> configured..
[06:17] <bl3ssing> lol ronino  about the konq's toolbar
[06:17] <bl3ssing> just quit with konq ... cause I'm using the mozilla.
[06:17] <bl3ssing> I don't like konq ...
[06:17] <ronino> bl3ssing: hehe
[06:17] <ronino> i want to manage some files
[06:17] <bl3ssing> it is the worsst browser I've ever seen in linux. :-)
[06:17] <bl3ssing> Mozila's the best.
[06:17] <bl3ssing> Mozilla... not Mozila.
[06:17] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:17] <ronino> ts
[06:17] <ronino> Konq's better
[06:18] <bl3ssing> which is the best audio player ronino ? do you have any idea?
[06:18] <robotgeek> bl3ssing: that's a personal pref, konq is very nice. not quite a memory hog. 
[06:18] <robotgeek> bl3ssing: amarok!
[06:18] <bl3ssing> realy robotgeek ?
[06:19] <bl3ssing> wow ... that's good than. I've never knew that mozilla uses a lots of memory ... 
[06:19] <robotgeek> bl3ssing: i am not quite sure about mozilla, but firefox does 
[06:19] <bl3ssing> aha ... I see.
[06:19] <bl3ssing> it is almost the same ... mozilla/firefox.
[06:19] <bl3ssing> ;)
[06:19] <bl3ssing> konq doesn't use a lot of mem ... robotgeek ?
[06:19] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:20] <_carsten> carsten: dieser nicht ist belegt
[06:20] <bl3ssing> lol _carsten ... can you speak english, but not deutch ... :-) heheheh
[06:20] <bl3ssing> lol _carsten ... can you speak english, but not deutch ... :-) heheheh
[06:20] <robotgeek> !de
[06:20] <ubotu> de is, like, Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu und Kubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de resp. #kubuntu-de
[06:20] <bl3ssing> !de
[06:21] <bl3ssing> !sound
[06:21] <ubotu> well, sound is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems or http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[06:21] <robotgeek> bl3ssing: i personally find konq faster on my machine, and better integrated with other apps in the system, like a RSS reader etc
[06:21] <ronino> blueyed: of course, Windoze Media Player is the best audio player, muhahahaha
[06:21] <carsten> bl3ssing: wow, that wasn't even german :)
[06:21] <ronino> sorry blueyed 
[06:21] <bl3ssing> lol carsten  ..
[06:21] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:21] <ronino> bl3ssing:  of course, Windoze Media Player is the best audio player, muhahahaha
[06:21] <bl3ssing> lol ronino 
[06:21] <carsten> I just wanted to tell the "wrong" carsten that I will kick him :)
[06:21] <bl3ssing> =))))))))
[06:21] <bl3ssing> that's was the best ...
[06:21] <carsten> carsten_: I own the nick "carsten"
[06:21] <bl3ssing> in Kubuntu?
[06:21] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:22] <bl3ssing> carsten, : isn't this german lang: " dieser nicht ist belegt"?
[06:22] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:22] <musik> what is this gnubuntu about? plz clarify?
[06:22] <bl3ssing> shall I translate to you what those words means?
[06:22] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:22] <carsten> bl3ssing: I wanted to say "dieser nick ist belegt" which is "this nick is in use"
[06:23] <carsten> but I had a typo in it
[06:23] <bl3ssing> LOL ... so it was in german, right?
[06:23] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:23] <carsten> bl3ssing: somehow, yes
[06:25] <gochoo> Hi all, I have some problem configuring VPN client in Kubuntu, I connected to vpn server, the problem is i send huge amount of data, but recieving nothing, ANY IDEA?
[06:26] <raphink> gnubuntu?
[06:26] <raphink> will that be an Ubuntu GNU/Hurd distro ?
[06:28] <Riddell> musik: what is what about gnubuntu?
[06:29] <musik> what is gnubuntu actually? how is it different from ubuntu & its other derivatives?
[06:29] <bl3ssing> I have a pb. How can I write/delete over the windows partitions from kubuntu partitions? I want to copy something from linux on windows partitions and viceversa. 
[06:29] <raphink> it seems Mark announced a project called Gnubuntuy
[06:29] <raphink> Gnubuntu
[06:29] <raphink> in association with the FSF
[06:29] <raphink> it would gather the `FSF-blessed' Ubuntu package
[06:29] <musik> so whats unique about it?
[06:30] <gochoo> I have some problem configuring VPN client in Kubuntu, I connected to vpn server, the problem is i send huge amount of data, but recieving nothing, ANY IDEA?
[06:30] <musik> ubuntu is already FSF if u mean free software foundation?
[06:30] <nino> hi all
[06:30] <Riddell> musik: http://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2005-November/013261.html
[06:30] <ronino> nino: damn, you stole my back
[06:31] <nino> lol
[06:31] <ronino> ;-)
[06:31] <bl3ssing> !windows partition
[06:31] <ubotu> bl3ssing: I give up, what is it?
[06:31] <bl3ssing> !partition
[06:31] <ubotu> NO SPEAKE ENLISH!, bl3ssing
[06:31] <bl3ssing> !window
[06:31] <ubotu> bl3ssing: I don't know
[06:32] <bl3ssing> !windows
[06:32] <ubotu> windows is probably unnecessary, everything runs in Linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office or find an !alternative, or what you remove to make room for kubuntu
[06:32] <bl3ssing> !alternative
[06:32] <ubotu> somebody said alternative was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant
[06:34] <BlankC> bl3ssing: are you trying to figure out how to mount windows partitions?
[06:35] <BlankC> !ntfs
[06:42] <bl3ssing> nope
[06:42] <bl3ssing> cause I can see the partitions on windows.
[06:42] <bl3ssing> I just want to access them as the linux ... ones.
[06:42] <bl3ssing> by examply, i want to copy a linux file into a windows partition and I cannot. 
[06:42] <bl3ssing> :-(
[06:50] <bl3ssing> How can I write/delete in/from the windows partitions from/in kubuntu partitions? I want to copy something from linux on windows partitions and viceversa. 
[06:51] <bl3ssing> hellllllllllllllllpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
[06:53] <kkathman> bl3ssing: please dont do that
[06:53] <kkathman> bl3ssing: are you running windows and linux on the same machine?
[06:55] <kkathman> bl3ssing: http://www.fbeedle.com/technote/03-01/etude15/etude15.html
[06:56] <bl3ssing> yeap
[06:57] <bl3ssing> kkathman,  ...I'm running both on my laptop
[06:57] <kkathman> see the link above
[06:57] <Stele> you should use vmware or something
[06:57] <kkathman> that tells you everything
[06:57] <kkathman> Stele: nah no need..but vmware is kind kewl..but expensive
[06:58] <bl3ssing> but ... the main reason I want to copy/delete files from my both windows/linux partition is cause I've some friends who're using only Linux and I want to find almost the compatible programs linux uses for the win users ... I don't want to use Windows anymore.
[06:58] <Stele> i dont like running multiple OSs on one machine
[06:58] <kkathman> bl3ssing: http://www.fbeedle.com/technote/03-01/etude15/etude15.html
[06:58] <Stele> but that's why I have 10 computers :)
[06:58] <bl3ssing> Stele, are you talking to me/
[06:58] <Stele> ssh/scp is your friend
[06:58] <bl3ssing> :-)
[06:58] <Stele> whoever will listen - i'm lonely
[06:58] <kkathman> bl3ssing: there are programs for most everything in Linux
[06:58] <kkathman> lol Stele :)
[07:00] <Stele> you waste a lot of time rebooting
[07:00] <bl3ssing> cool ... but if somebody'll come to me to work something for them, and they have files on windows partitions like fat32, ntfs,...  how can I access them ... how can I move my work from linux partitions on win partitions? this is my wish to know.
[07:00] <Stele> better to have another computer to fiddle with while the other reboots
[07:00] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you are saying two things at once...one you want to access file on Windows from Linux and the second..you want to run everything on Windows
[07:00] <kkathman> er Linux
[07:00] <Stele> yeah - pick an OS and stick with it
[07:00] <kkathman> you can do all those things
[07:00] <Stele> you can mount fat32 and ntfs partitions
[07:00] <Stele> from Linux
[07:00] <Stele> what's the problem
[07:00] <kkathman> bl3ssing: do you NOT pay attention?? I just gave you the URL twice
[07:00] <bl3ssing> that's very good kkathman about the pgorams which are existing ... inlinux. I love linux a lot and ... I don't want to have WinXp anymore ... but before this, I want to make myself sure that I will handle with everything (90%)...
[07:00] <kkathman> bl3ssing: http://www.fbeedle.com/technote/03-01/etude15/etude15.html
[07:00] <kkathman> bl3ssing: http://www.fbeedle.com/technote/03-01/etude15/etude15.html
[07:00] <bl3ssing> I have already accesed that link
[07:00] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:00] <kkathman> there twice more
[07:01] <kkathman> then read it
[07:01] <bl3ssing> don't send it anymore
[07:01] <kkathman> it tells you everything
[07:01] <bl3ssing> this is what I'm doing right now.
[07:01] <kkathman> good
[07:01] <bl3ssing> thanks kkathman ...
[07:01] <bl3ssing> God bless you.
[07:01] <Stele> "mount" is my favorite command
[07:01] <Stele> as in "mount me" or "let me mount you"
[07:01] <kkathman> rofl
[07:01] <Stele> usually followed up with "bitch"
[07:01] <Lord_Athur> Hi
[07:01] <kkathman> sudo mount me now
[07:02] <manveru> hey guys, someone knows what happened with alsaconf?
[07:02] <Lord_Athur> no idea
[07:02] <Lord_Athur> I've got a question
[07:02] <Stele> i havent seem him in awhile
[07:02] <bl3ssing> LOL Stelle ...
[07:02] <bl3ssing> tha'ts funny
[07:02] <Stele> "whois alsaconf"
[07:02] <manveru> Stele: there is none
[07:02] <manveru> Stele: but i have alsa-base and alsa-tools and everything
[07:03] <bl3ssing> anybody knows about a chat messenger, like kopete ... which can give me the opportunity of saving my offline messages. By example, if i'll be offline and somebody'll send me some msgs, than I'd love those messages to be saved into my computer after I'd have already readed them ... is there any program doing this?
[07:03] <manveru> bl3ssing: try gaim
[07:03] <bl3ssing> on linux, of course. cause on windows, I got the yahoo messenger. 
[07:03] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:03] <bl3ssing> hello manveru; how're you?
[07:03] <manveru> bl3ssing: fine, but i have problems with sound
[07:04] <bl3ssing> I've been looking for you ... but you were  nowhere ...
[07:04] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:04] <bl3ssing> what kind of pbs?
[07:04] <manveru> yeah... i'm always idling around on other channels
[07:04] <manveru> well, i cannot find alsaconf
[07:04] <kkathman> bl3ssing: how can you get offline messages ..by definition if you are offline, how can any "instant" messaging work?
[07:04] <jakob> can anyone please help me mounting my ntfs partitions?
[07:05] <kkathman> bl3ssing: even AOL/MSN cannot do that if you are "offline"
[07:05] <BlankC> jakob: mount /dev/hdx1 /mnt/mountpoint
[07:05] <BlankC> !ntfs
[07:07] <gochoo> I have some problem configuring VPN client in Kubuntu, I connected to vpn server, the problem is i send huge amount of data, but recieving nothing, ANY IDEA?
[07:08] <jakob> thank you blankx
[07:08] <bl3ssing> kkathman, do you know how yahoo messenger is working? than ... this is my answer: YAHOO MESSENGER IS THE BEST IN THIS SUBJECT: OFFLINE MESSAGES!
[07:09] <Tm_T> bl3ssing: stop yelling, hurts
[07:09] <bl3ssing> you're right kkathman, if I'm offline I can't take messages with aol/msn, but with yahoo messenger is different ... :-)
[07:09] <Tm_T> I'm not deaf, yet
[07:09] <bl3ssing> sorry for ... the capitals ... not on purpose
[07:09] <bl3ssing> I've pressed on the caps-lock key without my willing
[07:09] <bl3ssing> :-(
[07:09] <bl3ssing> that's a bad key ... and bad position ... :-(
[07:10] <bl3ssing> kkathman, did you understand about yahoo messenger? has linux any yahoo linux? nope. that's sad.
[07:10] <bl3ssing> but I won't give it up; I'll try to find something. :-)
[07:14] <jpgeerets> hi folks
[07:14] <jpgeerets>  i have a Q
[07:14] <jpgeerets> is it possible to mount a cd/dvd image?
[07:15] <artrok> hey all!
[07:15] <kkathman> jpgeerets: mount an image?
[07:16] <jpgeerets> yeah, right
[07:16] <jpgeerets> like a bin file
[07:16] <jpgeerets> or an iso file
[07:16] <jpgeerets> for example
[07:16] <jpgeerets> on windows you need a program like virtual cd
[07:16] <jazwec> hi
[07:16] <jpgeerets> somethign like that for linux / kubuntu?
[07:17] <jazwec> crimsun hi..please are you here?
[07:17] <PupenoL-> Hello.
[07:17] <PupenoL-> Does anybody know of a nice password generator ?
[07:17] <jazwec> PupenoL password generator? what is that for?
[07:18] <kkathman> bl3ssing: not sure, but if yahoo messenger has something that "saves" messages to you while you are offline, then they must store them somehow on their server. But I dont think gaim or kopete have the capability to retreieve them...to my knowledge
[07:18] <crimsun> jazwec: not really, I'm in a meeting atm, what's up?
[07:18] <PupenoL-> jazwec: to generate passwords.
[07:19] <jazwec> crumsun oh its ok when you dont have time...i just reinstalled my kubuntu and i didnt write that command for configuring my sound card as the main one...
[07:20] <bl3ssing> kkathman, yahoo messenger does save the offline messages on the server only until I'll be able of reading them. When I'll read them, the messeges will be saved into my computer automatically (of couse, on the ymessenger seetings you should accept this ...). 
[07:20] <bl3ssing> and ... you'll have all the offline messges on your own computer
[07:20] <kkathman> bl3ssing: yah. gaim/kopete dont do that...remember that those two programs are basically hacks to all the instant messaging systems
[07:20] <bl3ssing> but ... if I'm chatting with someone, I can even save the conversation into my computer with ymessenger. kopete does this ... or not?
[07:21] <bl3ssing> oh ... I see.
[07:21] <bl3ssing> so ... linux doesn't have any programs like yahoo messenger, right?
[07:21] <bl3ssing> :-(
[07:21] <bl3ssing> pretty sad.
[07:21] <bl3ssing> but ... it is ok.
[07:21] <bl3ssing> I have the winxp and ... whenever I'm speaking to my fiancee, I'll save the conversations in windows. 
[07:22] <bl3ssing> otherwise, I'll work in linux, as I've already done it since 2-3 weeks ago. :-) And I'm proud of kubuntu. 
[07:22] <LjL> kkathman: calling them "basically hack" doesn't do justice to them, i think... they're just currently a bit limited perhaps
[07:23] <LjL> kkathman, bl3ssing: Miranda is "basically a hack" like Gaim and Kopete, in that it supports multiple (many) protocols by means of plug-ins, but yet it is able to save the logs
[07:23] <LjL> unfortunately, Miranda, though free software, works only on Windows
[07:23] <kkathman> LjL: what I mean, is that those IM networks are proprietary in their access, and all programs like kopete, trillium, gaim, etc dont use the standard protocols, because they are essentially "hacking" the network
[07:23] <Tm_T> hey, Kopete and Gaim does log messages
[07:24] <LjL> kkathman: in a way, yes. Miranda does the same, though, and it logs :)
[07:24] <LjL> Tm_T: i dunno, i was just basing myself on what they were saying... i currenty use neither of them myself
[07:24] <kkathman> Logs are different yes...Gaim allows logs, Kopete doesnt I dont think
[07:24] <LjL> kkathman: hmm, then i'm not sure i've understood what you were talking about!
[07:25] <kkathman> LjL: but the ability to get server messages, that would be something I'd be surprised if the hackked programs could do
[07:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: it does, also there's history plugin
[07:25] <LjL> oh, they don't get server messages?! Miranda definitely did that for me with the ICQ protocol
[07:25] <jpgeerets> some ever tryed to connect and sync a pocketpc?
[07:25] <kkathman> LjL: read up and see that bl3ssing was asking specifically about offline messages in yahoo
[07:25] <Tm_T> kkathman: that can show old messages in chat window (as you set)
[07:25] <kkathman> ICQ yes, not yahoo probably
[07:25] <gochoo> I have some problem configuring VPN client in Kubuntu, I connected to vpn server, the problem is i send huge amount of data, but recieving nothing, ANY IDEA?
[07:26] <kkathman> Tm_T:  kewl...could you walk bl3ssing through that install then?
[07:26] <LjL> kkathman: well, for that matter, he was asking about kopete, not miranda
[07:26] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: install of what?
[07:26] <LjL> Tm_T: history plugin? where's that? or, better, do you have a good pointer to learn about kopete and any external plugins for it?
[07:26] <kkathman> LjL: hehe yah..well he wanted any program that could retrieve his yahoo offline messages
[07:26] <Tm_T> LjL: history plugin is in Kopete
[07:26] <kkathman> if miranda can..you should help
[07:26] <Tm_T> part of release
[07:27] <LjL> kkathman: you missed the part where i said Miranda only works on Windows ;)
[07:27] <bl3ssing> ok people ... any solution on my mistery?
[07:27] <bl3ssing> lol LjL  ...
[07:27] <Tm_T> bl3ssing: ok, what was the issue here?
[07:27] <bl3ssing> about Mirnada wroking only in win
[07:27] <bl3ssing> hahhaha
[07:27] <bl3ssing> I don't want to use win anymore
[07:27] <bl3ssing> I want to use only linux.
[07:27] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:27] <Tm_T> bl3ssing: you wanted yo see old messages in chat window? and see history etc etc?
[07:27] <bl3ssing> that's why this important subject... offline messages
[07:28] <LjL> bl3ssing: i think it would be nice if Miranda was ported to linux, i always found it a very nice program. but oh well
[07:28] <bl3ssing> that's right Tm_T 
[07:28] <bl3ssing> I see LjL 
[07:28] <Tm_T> bl3ssing: in kopete contact list window: menu -> settings -> configure plugins ->
[07:28] <Tm_T> bl3ssing: I think you find out what to do
[07:28] <bl3ssing> how can we do this ...? :-) shall we talk to the programmers of Miranda to make one for us too?
[07:28] <bl3ssing> :-)
[07:28] <LjL> Tm_T: i think he actually wanted to be able to receive messages that are sent through the server
[07:28] <LjL> Tm_T: as opposed to messages sent directly client-to-client
[07:29] <Tm_T> err
[07:29] <LjL> Tm_T: at least, that's what i think kkathman said
[07:29] <LjL> bl3ssing: nope... they're making free software, so they surely know well about linux. they'll have their reasons -- good or bad :-(
[07:30] <Tm_T> imo miranda is "ok"
[07:30] <Tm_T> it does the job
[07:31] <LjL> Tm_T: i haven't been using it (or any other similar program for that matter) for a long time, so i suppose other programs have now caught up... but i found miranda incredibly good, small and flexible when i did use it
[07:32] <Tm_T> heh
[07:32] <Tm_T> I don't like it, some people do
[07:32] <pussfeller> i have libmad, but xine is still not playing mp3s
[07:33] <bl3ssing> ok
[07:33] <bl3ssing> I've installed that plugin ... the history one
[07:33] <bl3ssing> I'll do some experiences now to see if it is working ...
[07:34] <LjL> Tm_T: i was bought by the wealth of plugins there were for it. i had a plugin that incorporated a "learning" bot into miranda, it was fun as hell :)
[07:35] <artrok> hi all
[07:35] <LjL> (of course, not so funny when you targeted the bot at the "wrong" person by mistake, and it started picking "wrong" pieces of phrases from conversations that had place with someone else... :)
[07:36] <artrok> how can i easily set up a server/router on my kubuntu machine
[07:36] <artrok> to get my win98se pc online
[07:37] <bl3ssing> kkathman, the link you gave me it didn't help me at all. :-(
[07:37] <bl3ssing> LjL,  ... can I ask you something?
[07:38] <LjL> artrok: your mileage may vary, but i think the following command works for me: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE -s x.x.x.x -d 0.0.0.0/0      with "x.x.x.x" being the internal IP address of your windows machine
[07:38] <LjL> bl3ssing: ask
[07:38] <bl3ssing> How can I write/delete in/from the windows partitions from/in kubuntu partitions? I want to copy something from linux on windows partitions and viceversa, so that any files which shall be accesed, to be able for being modified ... and so on... 
[07:38] <bl3ssing> that's for you LjL; :-)
[07:39] <LjL> bl3ssing: if your windows partitions use NTFS, you can't write on them from linux (actually, you can, but you definitely shouldnt, as it can be quite dangerous)
[07:39] <LjL> bl3ssing: if your partitions are FAT32, then there's no problem
[07:40] <kkathman> LjL: I sent him a link that explained that in detail :)
[07:40] <artrok> LjL: and what to do on the win98 machine?
[07:41] <LjL> artrok: nothing special... give it the same IP address you used on that line, give your linux machine's internal IP as gateway... and that should be it
[07:42] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you should read that site very closely again, it tells you exactly what you need to know as long as you are not NTFS on windows
[07:44] <LjL> artrok: also, on the linux machine, "route add x.x.x.x ethX", with ethX being the network card the other computer is connected to, might help
[07:57] <AndiM> hi guys! could someone on (K)Ubuntu Breezy please do a dpkg --get-selections >/tmp/breezy_selections.log and mail me that file? (andi AT A HOST CALLED lisas.de). I'm doing a cross-grade from Debian Sarge and want to make sure to get everything right... Thanks!
[08:00] <LjL> AndM: i could, but i have much more than the standard packages installed!
[08:00] <LjL> AndiM: 
[08:00] <JakubS> it is funny how much better kubuntu looks after removing most of fonts installed by default
[08:01] <LjL> JakubS: really?
[08:01] <AndiM> LjL: thanks, but I'm already satisfied, #ubuntu pointed me at ubuntu-base and ubuntu-desktop pkgs
[08:01] <LjL> AndiM: ok
[08:01] <JakubS> LjL: yes, defaults ones don't have all iso-8859-2 characters and empty rectangles instead of letters look really bad
[08:02] <LjL> JakubS: oh, that's for sure! but then, you've got to have other fonts installed i suppose
[08:02] <JakubS> nope, just removing bad ones and leaving good ones 
[08:02] <LjL> JakubS: i've tried the Microsoft font myself on kubuntu, but i think the standard Sans Serif looks better than Verdana here
[08:03] <kkathman> LjL: I agree...I tried the MS fonts once...they seemed worse :)
[08:03] <LjL> JakubS: but then, can't you just set it to use the good ones instead of completely remove the bad ones?
[08:03] <kkathman> LjL: yes you can :)
[08:03] <LjL> kkathman: they don't look too bad on Windows... perhaps it's Freetype that doesn't render them too well, or perhaps they just don't fit well with KDE
[08:04] <JakubS> LjL: probably i could but what good will me do keeping useless fonts around?
[08:04] <LjL> JakubS: well you have a point there
[08:04] <kkathman> LjL: true I meant that the MS Windows fonts under Linux didnt look as good to me
[08:04] <LjL> JakubS: although, the letters i use in my language are all there
[08:04] <bl3ssing> LjL,  how can I access (not only for reading but for modifying the informations as well) the files from fat32 partitions ... ? :-(
[08:04] <JakubS> and this way i don't have to fight separately with kde, openoffice, whatnot
[08:04] <LjL> kkathman: yes, that's my impression too
[08:05] <kkathman> bl3ssing: try reading that link I sent you sir
[08:05] <LjL> bl3ssing: just like you access them for reading
[08:05] <bl3ssing> I've readed it entirely kkathman ... and it was not enough infos to me ...
[08:05] <kkathman> bl3ssing: it spells it out, my friend...what part didnt you understand?
[08:05] <bl3ssing> but ... I've tried to copy one file downloaded on linux, to any of the fat32 partitions and ... I coudln't do it ... :-(
[08:05] <LjL> bl3ssing: then tell us what was missing that didn't let you complete the task, please
[08:05] <JakubS> hm, apt-get update reports MD5 checksum error on 'universe' repository
[08:06] <kkathman> each and every step is documented :)
[08:06] <JakubS> anyone else gets that or it is my local problem?
[08:06] <LjL> bl3ssing: "i couldn't do it" isn't very informative ;-) what error did you get? what happened?
[08:06] <Benix> hi everyone
[08:06] <bl3ssing> Lol kkathman ... The entire doc was understandable ... it was only that there's been no main subject I'm interested on.
[08:06] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:06] <bl3ssing> k
[08:06] <bl3ssing> I'll try doing this right now, ok, LjL ?
[08:06] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:06] <LjL> JakubS: your problem, but then i'm probably using different mirrors
[08:06] <bl3ssing> one sec. pls.
[08:06] <kkathman> bl3ssing: I dont think anyone could explain the linux-window accessibility any better Im afraid
[08:08] <Benix> does kubuntu automatically activate (3d) fglrx [nvidia] ?
[08:09] <bsdboy> fglrx is a ATI driver..
[08:09] <kkathman> LjL: hehe
[08:10] <Benix> ups, i used the brackets the wrong way ^^
[08:11] <_alex> hello
[08:11] <_alex> how does this work?
[08:11] <_alex> can anyone see this?
[08:12] <LjL> _axel: uuuh... yes...?
[08:12] <_alex> I was wondering how do you
[08:12] <_alex> install skype
[08:12] <LjL> !skype
[08:12] <_alex> new to kubuntu
[08:12] <ubotu> from memory, skype is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SkypeHowto/ Breezy deb: http://seveas.ubuntulinux.nl
[08:12] <_alex> how about freenx
[08:12] <_alex> ?
[08:14] <_alex> I tried to add
[08:15] <_alex> seaves package
[08:15] <bl3ssing> I'm sceptic ... kkathman ... about your oppinion and ... a little bit dissapointed of you. Why are you neglating the other STARS? :-.
[08:15] <_alex> but says it doesn't exist
[08:15] <_alex> I meant repo
[08:15] <bl3ssing> kkathman, how can I access my /home/marius/ windows ... not from the konsole ... but directly ...
[08:15] <bl3ssing> I want to see my /home/marius/ folder and I can't cause it is appearing the OpenWith Windows and I don't need it ...
[08:15] <bl3ssing> I think kopete can do what you said that it can't do it ... kkathman! I've tried with a friend of mine and ... he send me mssgs while I was not connected on yahoo and ... it is working. Tm_T/Ljl (?!) had right about the kopete. The messages are saved to the sever and therefrom ... when I'm online again, I'll receive them and they will still be there ... 
[08:15] <bl3ssing> that's amazing ...
[08:15] <kkathman> bl3ssing: excuse me?
[08:15] <bl3ssing> I'll just need to find another 2 important things for me and ... if i'll find them, I'll surely quit with WinXp
[08:15] <bl3ssing> and I'll have more partitions on Linux. 
[08:15] <bl3ssing> but ... until than ... I'll need to find more things about those 2 imp. things ... I've mentioned above.
[08:15] <_alex> curious to talk to any previous mandrake users
[08:15] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:15] <Tm_T> bl3ssing: what? can't do what?
[08:15] <bl3ssing> LjL, I will tell you what you asked me about but ... I can't get into the /home/marius/ directory ... :-(
[08:15] <_alex> anyone a use mandriva
[08:15] <_alex> ?
[08:16] <bl3ssing> Tm_T, can save the offline messages
[08:16] <kkathman> bl3ssing: if you dont like my advice, then quit asking..and I'll just put you on ignore.
[08:16] <Tm_T> yu
[08:16] <bl3ssing> isn't this wonderful?
[08:16] <Tm_T> nah
[08:16] <bl3ssing> kkathman, I've never said I don't like your advices. I am really excited about what you said to me and I'm glad because of your kindness
[08:16] <JakubS> LjL: yeah, changed mirrors and all is ok
[08:16] <bl3ssing> ok kkathman ... if you missunderstood than this is your pb.
[08:17] <AlexRM> Hello,
[08:17] <kkathman> JakubS: excellent
[08:17] <_alex> hi
[08:17] <AlexRM> what other alternatives are there to X?
[08:17] <_alex> alex
[08:17] <AlexRM> Hi _alex 
[08:17] <AlexRM> :)
[08:17] <_alex> :)
[08:17] <_alex> have you used mandriva?
[08:17] <kkathman> AlexRM: well there is CLI
[08:17] <bl3ssing> but ... I'm very thankfully to you and not only, but to everybody in this channel cause you guys are very helpfully not only to me, but to everyone is in every need ...
[08:17] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:17] <AlexRM> _alex, I used to use Mandrake 10.1
[08:17] <_alex> how does it compare
[08:17] <_alex> ?
[08:17] <bl3ssing> kkathman, quit being a child ... it is not diserve being like this. :
[08:17] <_alex> to kubuntu
[08:18] <kkathman> Mandriva isnt anywhere near as easy to install and use as (k)ubuntu
[08:18] <_alex> using 2005 and 20006 has been somewhat of a nightmare
[08:18] <AlexRM> to Kubuntu? I prefer Kubuntu because of it's support and some features, but I prefer Mandrake (well, mandriva) for it's ease of use....but Kubuntu isnot that hard to use
[08:18] <_alex> do you prefer
[08:18] <kkathman> I trashed mandrake/mandriva very quickly
[08:18] <_alex> ubuntu or kubuntu
[08:18] <_alex> and why..
[08:18] <_alex> just curious
[08:19] <kkathman> bad packaged too
[08:19] <AlexRM> kkathman,  I only used it for about, 1-2 months
[08:19] <kkathman> yah
[08:19] <AlexRM> _alex, Kubuntu...don't like Gnome :P
[08:19] <kkathman> me...shorter than that
[08:19] <_alex> hehe
[08:19] <_alex> understood
[08:19] <_alex> it seems much faster
[08:19] <_alex> than my mandriva
[08:19] <_alex> 2006
[08:19] <_alex> why?
[08:19] <kkathman> I liked Libranet more than Mandriva...but Libranet had bad packages
[08:19] <AlexRM> _alex, don't ask me! im a noob at linux :P
[08:19] <_alex> :)
[08:19] <_alex> no prob
[08:20] <_alex> I was paying for club
[08:20] <_alex> but no benifit
[08:20] <_alex> couldn't download dvd
[08:20] <_alex> took 3 weeks
[08:20] <_alex> total
[08:20] <AlexRM> :S
[08:20] <_alex> and then it was bad
[08:20] <_alex> kubuntu
[08:20] <_alex> seems to work
[08:20] <_alex> very very
[08:20] <_alex> well
[08:20] <_alex> one question
[08:20] <_alex> how easy is it to update
[08:20] <_alex> after you change
[08:20] <AlexRM> in Kubuntu?
[08:20] <_alex> repository
[08:20] <_alex> yes
[08:21] <_alex> I did apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:21] <_alex> and everything
[08:21] <_alex> still works
[08:21] <_alex> guess I am not used to that
[08:21] <kkathman> _alex:  yanno you can put more than 2-3 words on a line in IRC
[08:21] <_alex> so I am wondering if I did it right
[08:21] <AlexRM> I just go to Adept, select which packages I want and off it goes! .... I tend not to compile things cos im cursed with compiling :P
[08:21] <_alex> sorry
[08:21] <_alex> :)
[08:21] <kkathman> lol
[08:21] <_alex> thx!
[08:21] <_alex> how dependable are updates?
[08:22] <_alex> no proprietary drivers installed on desktops
[08:22] <kkathman> AlexRM: compiling is ok once you get the right things installed :)
[08:22] <_alex> thinking of using it for school ltsp server
[08:22] <apachelogger> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/441285 <-- any ideas how to fix?
[08:22] <AlexRM> kkathman, true...but half the time the errors I get no one has ever seen before
[08:22] <_alex> example?
[08:22] <AlexRM> _alex, an example error?
[08:22] <_alex> yes
[08:22] <_alex> anything
[08:22] <AlexRM> im not on Kubuntu atm
[08:22] <_alex> that will break the system?
[08:23] <_alex> such as going form hoary to breezy
[08:23] <AlexRM> never done it
[08:23] <AlexRM> lol, im no linux master....better to ask someone else really
[08:23] <kkathman> apachelogger: maybe that libxslt is missing maybe?
[08:23] <_alex> I am very good with linux
[08:23] <_alex> just new to debian
[08:23] <apachelogger> kkathman: nope it's there I think
[08:23] <_alex> rpm distros are about to drive me crazy!
[08:23] <_alex> my mandriva will not update
[08:24] <_alex> no matter what I do...
[08:24] <AlexRM> _alex, ahh, lol ... I have no idea what packages Kubuntu uses
[08:24] <kkathman> _alex: my upgrade from hoary to breezy was flawless
[08:24] <_alex> so was mine
[08:24] <_alex> that is why I wondered if something went wrong
[08:24] <kkathman> the updates work very well
[08:24] <kkathman> if its goes wrong, you fix it
[08:24] <kkathman> lol
[08:25] <_alex> :)
[08:25] <_alex> freenx
[08:25] <_alex> can someone please please help me on this
[08:25] <kkathman> whats the prob?
[08:26] <_alex> where do I get the repository?
[08:26] <bl3ssing> LjL, are you there? cause kkathma... don't want to help me anymore ... :-(
[08:26] <kkathman> !repos
[08:26] <_alex> :)
[08:26] <ubotu> methinks repos is http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[08:27] <yannz> so, anyone tried Lirc in kubuntu?
[08:27] <kkathman> Lirc?
[08:27] <_alex> how did you type that so quick
[08:27] <bl3ssing> he didn't type it ... the ubotu is a robot. 
[08:27] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:27] <kkathman> _alex: lts an infobot
[08:27] <bl3ssing> _alex, 
[08:27] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:27] <bl3ssing> it is a bot
[08:27] <_alex> what is that?
[08:27] <bl3ssing> heheeh
[08:27] <yannz> kkathman: yeah, serial infrared remote :)
[08:27] <_alex> never been on irc
[08:28] <AlexRM> it's a very nice bot....he doesn't even need walking!
[08:28] <_alex> till
[08:28] <kkathman> hehe
[08:28] <kkathman> infobot has keywords you give it and it tells you things on that factoid
[08:28] <_alex> wow?
[08:28] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell _alex about ubotu 
[08:29] <AlexRM> ubotu: tell AlexRM about ubotu
[08:29] <AlexRM> I wanna see Lol :P
[08:29] <_alex> so who is the bot?
[08:29] <robotgeek> kkathman: i'm back
[08:29] <AlexRM> its not
[08:29] <AlexRM> it's a boy
[08:29] <kkathman> hey robotgeek :)
[08:29] <AlexRM> bot*
[08:29] <robotgeek> _alex: i'm not a bot
[08:29] <fevoldj2> Hi
[08:29] <fevoldj2> how do I configure webmin?
[08:29] <kkathman> robotgeek is as smart as our bots, but he's not a bot
[08:30] <fevoldj2> I tried dpkg-reconfigure webmin, but that doesn't allow to change or even see what port it runs on
[08:30] <kkathman> fevoldj2: its home page?
[08:30] <_alex> fevoldj2
[08:30] <_alex> it is in etc/webmin/mini.conf
[08:30] <_alex> you can change port there
[08:30] <JakubS> what is difference between flashplugin-nonfree and flashplayer-mozilla packages?
[08:30] <fevoldj2> thanks
[08:30] <kkathman> fevoldj2: webmin.com
[08:31] <bl3ssing> hello
[08:31] <robotgeek> JakubS: first one is from macromedia, and is closed source. second is is gplflash
[08:31] <bl3ssing> anybody there?
[08:31] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:31] <kkathman> greets hussam :)
[08:32] <bl3ssing> robotgeek, can you watch me? I'm dancing and eating AIR!
[08:32] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:32] <bl3ssing> =)))))
[08:32] <_alex> so who is the robot?
[08:32] <robotgeek> bl3ssing: hmm, i am eating
[08:32] <kkathman> ubotu
[08:32] <sophie_> bl3ssing: dacing AIR wtf
[08:32] <bl3ssing> lol
[08:32] <fevoldj2> And how do I make a new user? The man page for webmin kinda sucks lol
[08:32] <bl3ssing> LOL sophie_ 
[08:32] <bl3ssing> hehehhheeh
[08:33] <sophie_> fevoldj2: 
[08:33] <sophie_> fevoldj2: 
[08:33] <pussfeller> when I click on a data cd, konq tells it cant find the mountpoint
[08:33] <bl3ssing> let me tell you something people. I've installed a lots of softwares since I've started my ocmputer, and I've never had to restart my computer, and it is perfectly working. How comes ... that? In windows ... you'll have a lot of pbs ... :-(
[08:33] <JakubS> robotgeek: last time i checked gplflash was capable of playing almost nothing so i guess macromedia one for me
[08:33] <kkathman> pussfeller: cd mounted?
[08:33] <bl3ssing> so ... the linux OS's the best
[08:33] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:34] <fevoldj2> Yes sophie_?
[08:34] <_alex> big question
[08:34] <pussfeller> kkathman: clicking on the icon is supposed to mount it right?
[08:34] <_alex> does anyone no how to cnotrol media startup
[08:34] <_alex> in kubuntu
[08:34] <_alex> ?
[08:34] <JakubS> bl3ssing: i would say the same thing if i only could get suspend working
[08:34] <sophie_> fevoldj2: add adduser 
[08:34] <kkathman> pussfeller: I actually dont know, but it should be listed under /mnt:  as cdrom prolly
[08:34] <_alex> I mean
[08:34] <_alex> determine what program
[08:34] <fevoldj2> I mean for webmin sophie
[08:34] <_alex> starts when I put in a cd
[08:35] <robotgeek> JakubS: if it doesn't work for you, file a bug. meantime, if you are not a purist, use the macromedia one
[08:35] <pussfeller> i tried mount but it says mount: not a directory
[08:35] <sophie_> fevoldj2: oops sorry
[08:35] <JakubS> robotgeek: i'm not a purist, i just need nice and working system
[08:35] <bl3ssing> I'm trying to make a new folder on my desktop. Than ...  I want to access it but I cannot since it is apearing the Open With Window ... 
[08:35] <pussfeller> but the cd works, its not degraded, i opened it in windows just now
[08:35] <bl3ssing> what can I do to fix this ...?
[08:35] <robotgeek> JakubS: :)
[08:35] <_alex> please help
[08:35] <_alex> hot do you control program media startup
[08:36] <_alex> put in dvd, and I want to start vlc instead of kaffiene
[08:36] <kkathman> pussfeller:  what happens in a konsole when you do a cd / and an ls -l   do you see cdrom there?
[08:37] <fevoldj2> Hmm I just blocked myself from webmin =\
[08:37] <kkathman> pussfeller: it might be a symlink to /media/cdrom
[08:37] <pussfeller> kkathman: yeah i have a symlink
[08:38] <pussfeller> but thats to the dvd player, cdrom0
[08:38] <kkathman> ahh
[08:38] <_alex> anyone know
[08:38] <kkathman> pussfeller: maybe you need to create a mountpoint then mount it manually then
[08:38] <JakubS> omg, i wonder why installing mplayer has to pull xmms too
[08:38] <fevoldj2> _alex do you know how to add a user?
[08:38] <pussfeller> kkathman: yeah, the dvd player cdrom works, but not the second one
[08:38] <_alex> yes
[08:39] <_alex> using webmin?
[08:39] <fevoldj2> Well I cannot logon to webmin 
[08:39] <_alex> use root and root passwd
[08:39] <pussfeller> kkathman: how do i make the mountpoint? 
[08:39] <Belutz> hi all, just wondering, is adept manager is only available in kubuntu?
[08:39] <kkathman> pussfeller: look at this...this will help I hope: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/db2help/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.db2.udb.doc/start/t0006753.htm
[08:39] <pussfeller> should i symlink cdrom1
[08:39] <fevoldj2> I never set a root password.. root and my sudo password doesn't work
[08:40] <_alex> you have to set root passwd
[08:40] <_alex> command is: sudo passwd
[08:40] <JakubS> Belutz: konsole and apt-get is still available
[08:40] <Belutz> JakubS, no, i mean is adept manager also available on other distros like knoppix?
[08:40] <fevoldj2> Hmm I set a root password didn't work
[08:41] <_alex> login to webmin using root
[08:41] <_alex> then passwd
[08:41] <fevoldj2> Yes I know, that doesn't work, login fails
[08:41] <jjesse> did you enable root?
[08:41] <_alex> did you sudo passwd
[08:41] <_alex> yes I did
[08:41] <_alex> you have to enable root
[08:41] <fevoldj2> oh okay
[08:41] <fevoldj2> sorry
[08:41] <_alex> using sudo passwd
[08:42] <fevoldj2> Okay I enabled root with sudo passwd, do I need to restart webmin now?
[08:43] <fevoldj2> Hmm I set the password for root, restarted admin, but it still doesn't accept it.
[08:43] <fevoldj2> webmin*
[08:44] <knuellesau> huhu
[08:45] <knuellesau> was tummelt sich hier denn so?
[08:45] <_alex> restart webmin
[08:45] <fevoldj2> I just did that
[08:45] <fevoldj2> =\
[08:45] <mth`MAW> Nabend
[08:46] <hussam> anybody's good with openoffice?
[08:46] <hussam> I want to know how I can add a trendline to a chart plot in openoffice calc. Also how do I tell the equation of that trendline?
[08:46] <mth`MAW> damn
[08:46] <mth`MAW> Wrong channel
[08:46] <mth`MAW> good evening
[08:46] <mth`MAW> :)
[08:46] <knuellesau> salut sophie. francaise?
[08:47] <knuellesau> wir machen nun einen bescheuerten chatroom aus dem kanal...
[08:47] <robotgeek> !fr
[08:48] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[08:48] <JakubS> uh, kmenu is kinda messed up
[08:48] <JakubS> qt designer went into 'lost&found' instead of 'development'
[08:48] <knuellesau> aber sophie ist doch FR, da kann an doch mal salut sagen...
[08:49] <kkathman> knuellesau: English only please here
[08:49] <knuellesau> why? don't you speak german? :-P
[08:49] <kkathman> because this is an english channel :)
[08:50] <kkathman> lol
[08:50] <knuellesau> english is a language for farmers, isn't it?
[08:50] <nalioth> knuellesau: please be civil
[08:51] <_alex> any way to remove xmms
[08:51] <hussam> _alex: sudo dpkg -r xmms
[08:51] <_alex> without removing mencoder
[08:52] <bl3ssing> where can I find a very friendly and nice irc program? I have this XChat, but I don't like the interface ... I want something very nice ... 
[08:52] <nalioth> bl3ssing: i think the nicest is irssi
[08:52] <knuellesau> i just wanna say: i'm very new to (k)ubuntu... and it's great (coming from mandriva, which i found the best distri, till i tried kubuntu)
[08:52] <_alex> wouldn't that remove xmms
[08:53] <_alex> I too am coming from mandriva
[08:53] <_alex> too many problems
[08:53] <_alex> after working with it for 4 years
[08:53] <_alex>  now
[08:53] <_alex> seems a mess
[08:53] <_alex> hussam
[08:53] <_alex> will that remove my mencoder?
[08:54] <bl3ssing> thanks nalioth ... God bless you. I'm installing it right now to check it ... Hope it will be what I'd love ...
[08:54] <nalioth> bl3ssing: it should be installed already, open a konsole and type 'irssi'
[08:55] <bl3ssing> there was redhat before and ... I used that irc program (don't rememeber the name of it) ... but I'ven't been using redhat only for 1-2 months ...before. :-)
[08:55] <knuellesau> i tried kubuntu, because i had a few problems with my thinkpad. i have to say: thinkpad and kubuntu: just good friends :-)
[08:56] <hussam> _alex: I guess yes
[08:56] <bl3ssing> nalioth,  ... it isn't working. isn't that Irssi an irc soft as XChat? but with a nicer interface?
[08:57] <knuellesau> the wireless lan connection works well, if the ap is not in wpa mode. dby the way: does anyone know, if the wlan module of kubuntu can handle wpa-secured connections? i only found the settings for wep...
[08:58] <crimsun> knuellesau: no, you need to use wpasupplicant
[08:59] <knuellesau> thanks, i'll check it out
[08:59] <bl3ssing> where can I find a very friendly and nice irc program? I have this XChat, but I don't like the interface ... I want something very nice ... 
[09:00] <_alex> hussam any way to take it off without doing that
[09:00] <_alex> ?
[09:01] <jjesse> bl3ssing: have you tried konversation?
[09:01] <robotgeek> or kvirc
[09:01] <yannz> say, how do i compile my own modules in kubuntu? I wanna get lirc-kernel-modules..
[09:01] <kkathman> kvirc rocks!
[09:01] <knuellesau> if someone looks for a notebook these days, which is compatible with kubuntu: i have to recommend thinkpad. opengl works fine with the firegl v3200, having installed the ati driver from ati.com. powersaving works fine, suspend-to-disk works fine,...
[09:02] <knuellesau> what are the experiences of other notebook users with kubuntu?
[09:03] <jjesse> knuellesau: i'm using a dell inspiron 5150
[09:03] <jjesse> knuellesau: and have no issues
[09:03] <knuellesau> graphics onboard or nvidia module?
[09:03] <jjesse> knuellesau: you can find more details at wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[09:03] <bl3ssing> nope jjesse ... but I'll try it now.
[09:03] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:03] <jjesse> knuellesau: nvidia module
[09:04] <jjesse> knuellesau: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/DellInspiron5150
[09:04] <nalioth> bl3ssing: irssi is a VERY configurable console irc client. perhaps you'd like kvirc instead of whatever you're using now
[09:04] <knuellesau> my desktop has also nvidia (6600gt). also no issues.
[09:04] <_marius> hello blessing
[09:04] <_marius> how're you?
[09:04] <_marius> :-)
[09:05] <pussfeller> you used to be able to run mirc in wine :)
[09:06] <bl3ssing> nalioth, I've never use a such of configurable console irc client and I'm out of it. :-(
[09:06] <bl3ssing> I'll try now kvirc. Thank you. 
[09:06] <sophie___> bl3ssing: irssi is the best irc client for the console and I've tried them all, it is the most usefriendly just need to learn three or four command at first
[09:06] <bl3ssing> I'm fine _marius thanks.
[09:06] <bl3ssing> really sophie?
[09:06] <bl3ssing> but I want to have a nice interface too ... 
[09:07] <bl3ssing> you know ... like linux has with kde/gnome ... :-)
[09:07] <bl3ssing> not only a konsole
[09:07] <_marius> what do you need bl3ssing? an irc?
[09:07] <knuellesau> i know this is off-topic, but does anyone know if you can install photoshop -- running via wine on linux -- in other directories as the home of the current user?
[09:07] <sophie___> bl3ssing: u want gui?
[09:07] <_marius> why not trying kvirc as nalioth is saying?
[09:07] <_marius> :-)
[09:07] <yannz> bl3ssing: konversation is really good, though.
[09:07] <sophie___> bl3ssing: than have a look at xchat (I'm going to get killed here)
[09:07] <bl3ssing> sophie__, what is gui?
[09:08] <bl3ssing> LOL sophie__ 
[09:08] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:08] <sophie___> Graphical user interface
[09:08] <LjL> sophie__: he's using it already
[09:08] <knuellesau> graphical user interface
[09:08] <LjL> sophie__: and i'm certainly not killing you, x-chat is nice
[09:08] <bl3ssing> yeap, I want a gui program to use ...
[09:08] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:08] <pussfeller> what most people think of when they think, computer program
[09:08] <bl3ssing> I'm chatting right now from X-chat...
[09:08] <bl3ssing> and it is pretty good
[09:08] <jjesse> you didn't like konverstation?
[09:08] <bl3ssing> but ... I don't like the interface... it is just like a very old linux ... :-(
[09:08] <bl3ssing> nope jjesse ... it is the same as x-chat.
[09:08] <bl3ssing> I'm trying now kvirc ... :-)
[09:08] <nalioth> bl3ssing: try kvirc
[09:08] <bl3ssing> hoping it will be nice. :-)
[09:09] <bl3ssing> sure nalioth ... installing it now.:-)
[09:09] <sophie___> kvirc was unstable onmy system, but dont take my words 
[09:09] <nalioth> sophie___: kvirc, imho should be used from cvs
[09:09] <knuellesau> photoshop via wine... other directories than home? does anyone know?
[09:10] <LjL> bl3ssing: i'm not sure what you mean with x-chat looking like an old linux... it's the same user interface as all the other Gnome programs you're using
[09:10] <sophie___> nalioth: anyway im now using irssi 99% of the time especially from work thru ssh, irc is blocked at work!
[09:10] <LjL> the best IRC client is telnet
[09:10] <knuellesau> photoshop?
[09:11] <knuellesau> wine?
[09:11] <knuellesau> not in home?
[09:11] <knuellesau> who knows?
[09:11] <sophie___> LjL: WTF?
[09:11] <LjL> yeah
[09:11] <LjL> you can do ANYTHING you want from it
[09:11] <LjL> it's got commands for everything
[09:12] <knuellesau> who?
[09:12] <LjL> telnet :)
[09:12] <sophie___> LjL: Telent is dangerous use ssh
[09:12] <LjL> sophie__: for connecting to irc? don't think that'll work, sorry
[09:12] <bl3ssing> LjL,  ... I mean that I woudl like to be a very nice gui the soft I'll use it ... 
[09:12] <knuellesau> guy?
[09:13] <LjL> bl3ssing: yeah, but i don't see how X-Chat has a bad gui...
[09:13] <LjL> bl3ssing: and, actually, i think Red Hat *comes* with X-Chat, though i'm not really sure
[09:13] <kkathman> LjL: X-Chat is the standard one in the standard ubuntu under Gnome :)
[09:14] <kkathman> at least the default graphical one
[09:14] <LjL> kkathman: 'course, but he said he saw a "nicer" one in red hat
[09:14] <kkathman> prolly kvirc...its the nicest looking one..but I had to get the cvs and compile it
[09:14] <bl3ssing> nalioth, where it is the kvirc installed cause I have to find the directory ... :-(
[09:14] <kkathman> thats what I use now LjL
[09:15] <LjL> i should try the other two kde clients someday
[09:15] <knuellesau> i have an issue with kubuntu at work: integration in active directory. while joining the domain by net ads join blabla... works fine, i'm not able to login with a domain user account. has anyone experienced (and solved) the same problem?
[09:15] <nalioth> bl3ssing: look in the menu under 'internet'
[09:16] <kkathman> k
[09:18] <LjL> bl3ssing: and if it's not there, it'll probably be next time you log in. in the meanwhile, if you don't want to re-login, it'll probably be inside /usr/bin, as most programs
[09:19] <_alex> one more time
[09:20] <_alex> does anyone know how to choose what program starts up when you insert a dvd or music cd?  I would like to choose it myself.
[09:21] <LjL2> by the way, here is what i meant with using telnet for IRC
[09:22] <LjL> _alex: i think it's peripherals / storage media
[09:22] <LjL2> you just have to remember to answer the pings in time
[09:22] <kkathman> LjL2 it automatically boots you right?
[09:23] <LjL> kkathman: if i don't reply to the pings in time? yeah
[09:23] <_alex> LJL what about config file?
[09:23] <LjL> _alex: no idea
[09:25] <Obsidians> My Firefox Downloads window doesn't seem to show things that are being downloaded. What's up with that?
[09:27] <Stele> are the things you are downloading being downloaded on that computer?
[09:27] <Stele> (obvious question)
[09:27] <Stele> :)
[09:28] <_alex> so noone knows how to choose what program starts up on media insert?
[09:28] <kkathman> Obsidians: its possible that you might be running a firewall that is blocking the download?
[09:28] <kkathman> _alex: try Uncle Google...maybe he can give you a hint?
[09:28] <Obsidians> Stele and kkathman: No no, they're still downloading fine. It just doesn't show them in the window anymore, for some reason.
[09:28] <Stele> i was just being a smartass
[09:29] <Stele> :)
[09:29] <Stele> sorry
[09:29] <_alex> been there
[09:29] <_alex> done that
[09:29] <_alex> no longer a relative :)
[09:29] <kkathman> Obsidians: hmm. go to the preferences, and be sure that the "Show download manager" is checked appropriately?
[09:30] <kkathman> Obsidians: I believe there is a check box there that has to be checked to pop up that box and show the progress
[09:31] <Obsidians> kkathman: Yep, and the manager does come up. It's just that there's no text in the box. You know, where it usually gives the progress and the open/remove buttons and such.
[09:32] <Obsidians> Stele: No problem, man. Boredom happens.
[09:32] <kkathman> Obsidians: hmm.. very odd.  I dont use firefox myself, but dont know what might cause that phenomenon
[09:32] <kkathman> it should show the progress as you suggest
[09:33] <Obsidians> kkathman: Ah well then, I'll just not worry about it. I am on Dapper, which has Deer Park so maybe it's just a new release issue of some kind that'll fix itself.
[09:36] <yannz> which packages do i need to compile my kernel?
[09:38] <kkathman> Obsidians: I just tried it in my system and I got the box and it showed the progress
[09:38] <LjL> yannz: linux-source
[09:38] <kkathman> Obsidians: Dapper is kinda bleeding edge, so that could be your problem
[09:39] <yannz> LjL: i did, but it wount compile.
[09:39] <LjL> yannz: what's the problem then
[09:39] <Stele> you have gcc and the required gcc stuff?
[09:41] <yannz> oh, maybe not.
[09:41] <yannz> the kernel needs 3.3?
[09:41] <Stele> the latest uses 3.4
[09:41] <LjL> yannz: don't think it does
[09:41] <CarstenP> I have a canoscan 3000 ex (flatbed-scanner usb2) what do i have to install to get him to work? Sane? Cups? Swat?
[09:41] <yannz> i really just need the source, so that i can compile a module for my lirc-remote.
[09:41] <CarstenP> or in other words, will the scanner work?
[09:41] <Stele> have you plugged it in and tried it?
[09:42] <Stele> no that would be insane
[09:42] <CarstenP> Stele: are you talking to me?
[09:42] <LjL> CarstenP: it will probably work with sane
[09:42] <Stele> im just rambling
[09:42] <LjL> CarstenP: they have a list of compatible scanners on their site
[09:42] <bl3ssing> I'm on kvirc and I would like to come to the kubuntu channel. what kind of server do i need to get connect to ... ? I don't know ...
[09:43] <LjL> CarstenP: i don't know what swat is, but as for CUPS, it doesn't have anything to do with scanners
[09:43] <LjL> bl3ssing: irc.freenode.org
[09:43] <CarstenP> it is plugged in, but under XP i had to start a software to start the scanning, it has no ON / OFF switch :)
[09:43] <Stele> so USB scanners DONT just work when you plug them in?
[09:43] <LjL> Stele: you wish :)
[09:43] <Stele> like Photoshop or other that has a TWAIN interface?
[09:43] <CarstenP> Stele: he is and ever was plugged in.
[09:44] <CarstenP> Stele: TWAIN, correct. The name i forgot. in was a small tool, whithout a important name i think. TWAIN
[09:44] <LjL> CarstenP: i'm afraid you're out of luck
[09:44] <LjL> CarstenP: your scanner model appears to not be supported by SANE
[09:45] <LjL> CarstenP: http://www.sane-project.org/lists/sane-mfgs-cvs.html#Z-CANON
[09:45] <bl3ssing> nalioth, I'm on kvirc ...
[09:45] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:46] <bl3ssing> why can't I connect on irc.freenode.org? I want to get inside of #kubuntu but I can't...
[09:46] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:46] <LjL> bl3ssing: you can't connect to the server, or you can't join #kubuntu?
[09:46] <bl3ssing> can't connect to the server
[09:46] <bl3ssing> :-(
[09:46] <LjL> bl3ssing: what is it telling you?
[09:46] <CarstenP> what does gl660 based mean? is that some sort of chip?
[09:47] <LjL> CarstenP: probably, or a protocol name
[09:47] <bl3ssing> Ljl ... http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/441384
[09:48] <LjL> bl3ssing: i think you typed "kubuntu" instead of "#kubuntu"...
[09:48] <LjL> bl3ssing: and it appears that you *are* connected to the server
[09:48] <kkathman> LOL
[09:48] <kkathman> like right here :)
[09:48] <kkathman> haha
[09:49] <kindn3ss> cool
[09:49] <kindn3ss> this is me, bl3ssing. :-)
[09:49] <kkathman> LjL: yah he's in here now under that name :)
[09:49] <kindn3ss> LjL: I got it.
[09:49] <kkathman> haha
[09:49] <kindn3ss> I;m on kvirc ...
[09:49] <kindn3ss> that's amazing ...
[09:49] <kindn3ss> it is a very friendly irc program... and I love it.
[09:49] <kindn3ss> :-)
[09:49] <sophie___> anyone know how to configure media keys on keyboard
[09:50] <LjL> wow, love at first sight
[09:50] <kindn3ss> lol
[09:50] <LjL> sophie__: i think i do
[09:50] <kindn3ss> nope .. not really cause my love at the first time was Norma ... and I love her ... still and forever. :-)
[09:50] <kkathman> LjL: he thinks that version is good, he should get the Marmalade version like I compiled :)
[09:50] <sophie___> LjL: please tell me
[09:50] <kkathman> LjL: Im interested in this too :)
[09:50] <LjL> sophie__: well, you probably know most programs have a "Configure shortcuts" menu (and there is also the system-wide Regional / Keyboard shortcuts)
[09:50] <kindn3ss> kkathman: ... what's the Marmalade program about?
[09:50] <kindn3ss> :-)
[09:51] <sophie___> LjL: ok got it was not using the right keyboard in kde
[09:51] <LjL> sophie__: however, you'll probably not be able to use multimedia keys there, by default
[09:51] <LjL> sophie__: correct, you have to change the keyboard layout
[09:51] <kkathman> kindn3ss: http://www.kvirc.net/
[09:52] <LjL> sophie__, kkathman: under "Keyboard model", choose your keyboard, or if it isn't there, try a few. you'll probably find something that works (at least with some keys) after a while
[09:52] <kkathman> LjL: will try that thanks
[09:54] <sophie___> LjL: got itworking media keyboard with amarok what a wining combination
[09:54] <LjL> sophie__: should probably assign the volume keys to KMix, as well
[09:55] <sophie___> LjL: I did nothing to bind keys it worked out of the box
[09:55] <LjL> sophie__: cool
[09:57] <sophie___> who uses katapulp
[09:58] <kkathman> katapult?
[09:58] <sophie___> kkathman: katapult yep
[09:59] <LjL> kkathman: alt+space
[09:59] <kkathman> sophie__: I used to, but found its not much better than alt-f2
[09:59] <LjL> yeah, currently, don't think it's that powerful
[09:59] <LjL> could be handy though, if it was a little smarter
[09:59] <kkathman> you have to start it first, using alt-f2 and type katapult...then it forever runs
[09:59] <sophie___> kkathman: well its got completions + bookmarks
[09:59] <kkathman> LjL: Agree
[09:59] <LjL> i'd like some sort of natural language recognition in it
[10:00] <kkathman> sophie__: yes.. well completions arent too bad..but its doesnt know everything you have either
[10:00] <sophie___> LjL: give me an example
[10:00] <sophie___> LjL: like open my favorite mp2
[10:00] <sophie___> LjL: or I feel like porn tonight
[10:00] <LjL> sophie__: "write an email", "find blah.mp3", "check for updates"
[10:00] <LjL> yeah that's the idea :)
[10:01] <sophie___> LjL: hide browser from wife
[10:01] <LjL> not rocket science, bots have been doing this kind of thing for ages
[10:01] <LjL> heh
[10:01] <bl3ssing> how can I change the background color of the channel #kubuntu in kvirc? does anybody know about ...? :-)
[10:02] <kkathman> bl3ssing: try Help...its a good read :)
[10:03] <bl3ssing> I've pressed on the help link but ... the help windows isn't it appearing. Why not? :-(
[10:03] <kkathman> bl3ssing: for starters, how about trying Settings -> Configure KVIRC?
[10:03] <kkathman> my help works fine :)
[10:04] <kkathman> course I have the cvs version :)
[10:05] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:05] <bl3ssing> do you have the kvirc ... ?
[10:05] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:05] <bl3ssing> isn't it a nice one? :-)
[10:05] <kkathman> I have the latest cvs version
[10:05] <bl3ssing> I have forgot about the irc i used before ... years ago ...that irc was the best I've ever seen ...
[10:05] <bl3ssing> oh, I see.
[10:05] <kkathman> if it was Windows, it was probably mIRC
[10:06] <bl3ssing> is this cvs version available through the adept ?
[10:06] <kkathman> its the ONLY good IRC program on Windows
[10:06] <bl3ssing> nooooooooooo, it was in RedHat ... i guess ... not sure.
[10:06] <kkathman> bl3ssing: no.. you have to download the cvs code and compile it
[10:06] <bl3ssing> in windows I used WarMaster .. that was the best (my oppinion)
[10:06] <sophie___> kkathman: xchat is available for windows
[10:07] <kkathman> sophie__: yah...I rest my case...mIRC is the only good iRC program on Windows :)
[10:07] <bl3ssing> how can I compile a file, by the way ... in linux, of course. :-)
[10:07] <Mitja> Is there a command to tell me which sound drivers should I install?
[10:07] <Mitja> When I installed OS, it detected it perfectly, but then I uninstalled something and don't know how to get it back.
[10:08] <kkathman> bl3ssing: make sure you have all the compilation tools, download the application source, ./configure make and checkinstall
[10:08] <LjL> he's gone :)
[10:08] <kkathman> LjL: I somehow think he isnt off reading
[10:09] <bhna> Mitja: uninstall somethink? what?
[10:09] <newbie_> kl
[10:09] <LjL> 22:08]  <kkathman> bl3ssing: make sure you have all the compilation tools, download the application source, ./configure make and checkinstall
[10:09] <Mitja> bhna: Is there apt uinstallation log?
[10:10] <kkathman> thanks LjL :)
[10:10] <kkathman> ^5
[10:10] <bl3ssing> :)
[10:10] <kkathman> hey l3m :)
[10:10] <bl3ssing> but ... I don't like htis kvirc either. It was another one.
[10:10] <bl3ssing> Does anybody know about a very nice graphical user interface irc prorgam ...?
[10:10] <LjL> bl3ssing: was that red hat a red hat you installed yourself, or was it someone else's computer?
[10:11] <bl3ssing> it was mine ... but maybe 4-5 years ago. Since than I've never used linux. :))
[10:11] <LjL> bl3ssing: look, everyone will be giving a different advice to you... different people prefer different programs (that's why there *are* different programs)
[10:11] <bhna> Mitja: don't know.
[10:11] <l3m> i'm trying to get tvout to work on a f&%*% ati card. i installed fglrx drivers, but the image on the tv is always black//white,. any ideas?
[10:11] <LjL> bl3ssing: so, why not just "apt-cache search irc | grep IRC"?
[10:12] <l3m> bl3ssing: konversation
[10:13] <LjL> bl3ssing: i'm pretty sure that the Red Hat irc client used to be X-Chat, and a google search is confirming that
[10:13] <kkathman> l3m: what you dont like 1950's television?
[10:13] <bl3ssing> where should I type this .. LjL?
[10:13] <bl3ssing> :-)
[10:13] <LjL> bl3ssing: do you have Gnome installed?
[10:13] <bl3ssing> nope
[10:13] <LjL> bl3ssing: in a terminal, obviously
[10:13] <l3m> kkathman: hehe. not when i wanna watch some crappy cgi monster movie ;)
[10:13] <LjL> bl3ssing: if you don't have Gnome installed, X-Chat will probably look bad. and yet, it's the same program you used in Red Hat
[10:13] <kkathman> LjL: I know the RedHat irc was X-Chat
[10:14] <kkathman> yep
[10:14] <bl3ssing> really?
[10:14] <bl3ssing> well ... could this be the reason I don't like it ..? I think so... :-)
[10:14] <bl3ssing> I'll find one ...
[10:14] <bl3ssing> anyway, I love Linux.
[10:14] <bl3ssing> it is wonderfull
[10:14] <LjL> bl3ssing: yes, because X-Chat is a GTK program, and without Gnome, you won't have any nice GTK "skin" (theme) installed
[10:14] <bl3ssing> I've used it since 2-3 weeks ago and I love it.
[10:15] <bl3ssing> how can I install Gnome than?
[10:15] <l3m> arghl. currently, i have linux. hmm no, i hate ati,. damn bastards
[10:15] <l3m> hate
[10:15] <l3m> why oh why
[10:15] <bl3ssing> will this delete all my program configruation?
[10:15] <kkathman> bl3ssing: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:15] <l3m> can't they just release a driver that just works
[10:15] <l3m> like nvidia
[10:15] <LjL> bl3ssing: don't install it, if you like KDE. on the other hand, you could still get a nice theme for GTK
[10:15] <kkathman> l3m ATI just continues to hate Linux people :(
[10:15] <bl3ssing> I lvoe KDE
[10:16] <kkathman> bl3ssing: all that does is get you the gnome core
[10:16] <bl3ssing> lol kkathman ... about ATI ... hating the linux people. I'm a linux man. :-)
[10:16] <l3m> kkathman: the bad thing is, the pc i need it for has only pci. nvidia doesn't do pci anymore. arghl
[10:16] <bl3ssing> that's right l3m
[10:16] <bl3ssing> nvidia har agp and ... Ex... what's the name of it?
[10:16] <bl3ssing> it is a new slot ... for the video card
[10:17] <bl3ssing> but I am not sure about the name of it
[10:17] <l3m> no i luuuv nvidia. i always buy nvidia if there's a choice. but atm there isnt
[10:17] <kkathman> agp 4x / 8x
[10:17] <LjL> bl3ssing: in System Settings, go to Appearance, and then "GTK Styles and Fonts". select "use another style" and see if you have some themes installed there
[10:17] <kkathman> l3m yah its the way to go for sure
[10:17] <jazwec> hey...
[10:17] <LjL> bl3ssing: also, tell me, is the X-Chat interface looking *really* different from the interface of the KDE apps you have?
[10:17] <jazwec> pleease, could anybody past me sources.list from kubuntu 5.10? i think i did something bad :)
[10:18] <l3m> !source-o-matic
[10:18] <ubotu> Wish i knew, l3m
[10:18] <kkathman> LjL: as long as he has the setting set in KDE to use KDE styles with GTK programs, it should be fine
[10:18] <LjL> !easysource
[10:18] <ubotu> hmm... easysource is For an easy to use custom sources.list configurator, visit http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:18] <l3m> jazwec: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[10:18] <LjL> kkathman: not necessarily, as that setting often doesn't work for some reason
[10:18] <l3m> exactly ;)
[10:18] <LjL> kkathman: also, i'm not sure how nice x-chat looks with the gtk-qt wrapper..
[10:18] <kkathman> LjL: really??  Well I must admit I dont use alot of GTK proggies
[10:19] <kkathman> LjL: it looks good under xfce I used it over the weekend
[10:19] <LjL> kkathman: once it works, it keeps working. but i've had to struggle a bit to make it work from the start
[10:19] <LjL> kkathman: doesn't xfce use gtk itself?
[10:19] <kkathman> I have xfce installed on an "underperformer" machine
[10:20] <kkathman> LjL: yeah kinda...its a mish mash I think
[10:20] <kkathman> though I honestly dont know
[10:20] <kkathman> I think you get alot of gtk progs
[10:21] <bl3ssing> I'll go now ... tomorrow I'll have another day since now I'll really need to get some sleep since tomorrow it will be another working day. 
[10:21] <LjL> i don't think you even get QT installed, in which case the gtk-qt wrapper will play no role
[10:21] <bl3ssing> thanks guys for helping me. God richly bless all of you.
[10:21] <bl3ssing> bye bye to everyone.
[10:21] <LjL> bye
[10:21] <bl3ssing> as about the gtk ... I've tried something now, but ... I'm really tired. tomorrow I'll keep doing it again ... :-) for a better looking. 
[10:22] <kkathman> LjL: I just fired up xchat in KDE and it works nicely, albeot..rather text-like
[10:22] <kkathman> kvirc is so customizable with transparency ... very very nice
[10:23] <LjL> i prefer tabs over MDI windows, though
[10:23] <LjL> konversation would be nice enough, if it weren't for the obnoxious refresh bug
[10:23] <kkathman> LjL: is there a way I can like refresh all my samba shares without rebooting?
[10:23] <LjL> what do you mean refresh?
[10:24] <kkathman> LjL: I tried an /etc/init.d/samba restart but that didnt seem to do what I wanted
[10:24] <bl3ssing> lol
[10:24] <bl3ssing> hello people again (I know I'm crazy ...)
[10:24] <bl3ssing> ;))
[10:24] <LjL> kkathman: well, try /etc/init.d/samba stop; /etc/init.d/samba start, although there shouldn't be a difference...
[10:24] <bl3ssing> I'm here right with irss
[10:24] <LjL> heh
[10:24] <bl3ssing> pretty nice irc interface ... 
[10:24] <bl3ssing> I love it.
[10:25] <LjL> bl3ssing: for text mode it's very nice, yes
[10:25] <kkathman> LjL: yeah...see from this linux box I have icons to devices...to each of my other boxes, including my winbox
[10:25] <LjL> bl3ssing: many people find that, once one gets used to do things in text mode, it becomes easier and faster than GUIs
[10:25] <kkathman> LjL: but for some reason, when one of those machines reboots, I cant access it after it comes back up :(
[10:26] <LjL> kkathman: hmm... what happens if you try accessing them using their IP, instead of their name?
[10:26] <LjL> kkathman: like, //192.168.0.1/share instead of //ljlhead/share
[10:27] <kkathman> lemme check
[10:27] <kkathman> LjL: you are talking in a browser?
[10:28] <LjL> kkathman: no, i'm thinking of the "mount" command
[10:28] <LjL> kkathman: (or of "smb:/" from konqueror if you use that...)
[10:28] <kkathman> ok lemme look at that
[10:29] <kkathman> LjL: yeah that works fine
[10:29] <kkathman> its just those icons get all messed up
[10:30] <LjL> kkathman: then it's not a samba problem, but, i suspect, a NetBIOS problem (NetBIOS being the thing that gives names to machines on a LAN... but don't ask me too much about it, i know very little)
[10:30] <LjL> kkathman: well, i think you know what you might try
[10:30] <LjL> kkathman: edit /etc/hosts, and add the name of the server machine with its IP
[10:31] <LjL> kkathman: that way, your computer should know the correct name even if it's not getting it from the NetBIOS
[10:31] <kkathman> LjL: so if I have 3 boxes I put all of them there also?
[10:31] <LjL> kkathman: yes
[10:47] <verden01> hey what packages can i install with the backports repository enabled?
[10:50] <LjL> verden01: you should check the list of packages directly on the repository via a browser
[10:50] <LjL> verden01: i don't know of an easier way
[10:51] <verden01> k
[11:01] <ddds> hey, just wondering if anyone is interested in connecting to my laptop using KDE desktop sharing
[11:09] <osh> I'm trying to configure a remote printer on this machine. It sort of "hangs" with a message about "Initializing manager". I'm running kcmshell to configure this.
[11:09] <osh> Is this a known issue or does it just happen to me?
[11:11] <thoreauputic> osh: it just happens to you ;)
[11:11] <thoreauputic> (joking)
[11:21] <Lord_Athur> hi
[11:34] <douglas> Is there a bum equivalent for kde, I don't want to install all of the gnome libs
[11:41] <sharket> hello
[11:57] <xst> How do I change the default screen resolution systemwide in kubuntu?
[11:58] <LjL> see /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:58] <LjL> or do a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[12:00] <xst> ljl: Hmm, the recofigurations ask me everything about framebuffers and autodetection of keyboards. Arent' there any simpler way to change the default resolution?
[12:01] <LjL> yes, editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:02] <LjL> i suppose the relevant KDE control panel could also do it, although i've always had more problems than anything else with that kind of things