[04:18] <artnay> hello
[04:18] <derek[] > hi
[04:19] <artnay> I'm creating a long todo list
[04:19] <derek[] > for?
[04:19] <artnay> for artwork team
[04:19] <derek[] > dapper?
[04:19] <artnay> yep
[04:20] <derek[] > ok
[04:24] <artnay> Usplash: Improvements coming, consider 24-bit picture and 16 colour fallback picture, GDM Theme: ??, GNOME Splash: this shouldn't be neede anymore as GNOME 2.14 tries to minimize the loading time to "none", still fallback should be provided, backgrounds: create/choose nice set of backgrounds and GDM theme to fit with bg, Font: Consider font change?, Iconset: Humility under development, probably a name change coming with new icons. Think about Tango, 
[04:24] <artnay> what about GRUB theme? Calendar?
[04:24] <artnay> make AUC known, it's not listed anywhere on ubuntulinux.org or ubuntuforums.org
[04:24] <artnay> what else?
[04:25] <artnay> let's gather things up, wiki is a fucking mess
[04:25] <derek[] > i see
[04:25] <derek[] > well I haven't run Ubuntu yet :(
[04:26] <derek[] > still waiting for getting some new hardware before I can install it
[04:26] <artnay> what's preventing you?
[04:26] <derek[] > but I'm a designer, and am up for help to Ubuntu
[04:26] <artnay> Ubuntu's artwork needs help, it's not very well organized at the moment
[04:26] <derek[] > i'm waiting for a new computer on which i can run linux
[04:26] <artnay> artwork team
[04:26] <derek[] > i see
[04:27] <artnay> that's the beauty of GNU/Linux, you can run it allmost on any computer ;9
[04:27] <derek[] > are you one of the organisers?
[04:27] <artnay> no I'm not
[04:27] <derek[] > k
[04:27] <artnay> I've been watching this for months now
[04:27] <artnay> nothing seems to happen
[04:27] <artnay> mailings lists and this channel are pretty dead
[04:28] <artnay> and I'm tired, I want to see something to happen
[04:29] <derek[] > okay
[04:29] <derek[] > I must first be in Ubuntu and see the present artwork in use
[04:29] <derek[] > cuz when you say: <artnay> what about GRUB theme? Calendar?
[04:29] <derek[] > I've not yet seen it
[04:30] <artnay> there's no GRUB theme currently AFAIK
[04:30] <artnay> calendar should be set for one release cycle
[04:30] <artnay> that is six months
[04:31] <derek[] > which calender?
[04:31] <artnay> it's a bunch of backgrounds for different months
[04:31] <artnay> it's a metapackage
[04:31] <artnay> oh dammit, go install ubuntu and then install ubuntu-calendar ;)
[04:32] <artnay> ubuntu needs you
[04:32] <derek[] > :)
[04:33] <artnay> are you running win?
[04:35] <artnay> we also should consider how to select the backgrounds/icons/themes that will be included by default
[04:35] <artnay> there's not much space left on one cd install
[05:30] <artnay> anybody?
[05:30] <artnay> I need some help here ;)
[05:42] <artnay> Danten: 
[05:43] <Danten> artnay
[05:43] <artnay> hey
[05:43] <Danten> hi
[05:43] <artnay> I'm just gathering a todo list for artwork team, wanna help?
[05:44] <artnay> here's the current one: http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo
[05:44] <Danten> hmm not really sure, Im not part of the team actually
[05:44] <artnay> I thought I would make it more complete before posting it to lists
[05:44] <artnay> me neither
[05:44] <artnay> :)
[05:44] <Danten> :)
[05:44] <artnay> but we can still help
[05:44] <Danten> oki
[05:45] <artnay> there's ~nothing happening so everyone's input is more than welcome
[05:45] <artnay> tell me if you have things to add
[05:45] <Danten> well I'm not really sure what I can do but :)
[05:46] <artnay> same thing
[05:47] <Danten> I can't find anything particular to add, the only thing that's needed at the moment is structure so we can assign people to things
[05:49] <Danten> Which is rather sad as Ubuntu has got al lot of buzz of its artwork (brownish) :)
[05:52] <Danten> But your plan was to update the wiki?
[05:52] <artnay> no
[05:53] <Danten> no?
[05:53] <artnay> my plan is to make that list as complete as I can (maybe with help of others), then post it to mailing list
[05:53] <artnay> then we should clean the wiki page
[05:53] <artnay> add all those topics there, links to subcategories
[05:53] <Danten> ahh, then I understand
[05:54] <Danten> well, I start scanning the forums for stuff
[05:54] <artnay> that's why I'm asking for help in here :)
[05:54] <artnay> bachler: hey
[05:54] <bachler> hey
[05:54] <artnay> bachler: do you want to help?
[05:55] <bachler> yeah, if i can
[05:55] <artnay> ok, take a look at this http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo and tell what to add/modify
[05:55] <bachler> kk
[05:56] <artnay> I've heard there's a program for GNOME that fetces stuff from art.gnome.org
[05:56] <artnay> do you happen to know the name?
[05:57] <artnay> I'm not a GNOME person :o
[05:58] <bachler> http://www.gnomefiles.org/app.php?soft_id=889
[05:58] <bachler> ?
[05:58] <bachler> is that what your thinking about?
[05:59] <artnay> yeah, I guess that's it
[05:59] <bachler> ok..
[06:00] <artnay> thanks
[06:00] <artnay> do you have any exprience with it?
[06:00] <artnay> ohhh, what a day for typos
[06:00] <Danten> hmm me thinking, what about that each version of Ubuntu has it's own personal logo that get used in wallpapers, splashes, screensavers etc.
[06:01] <artnay> Danten: that's being thought at the mailing list
[06:01] <bachler> about the artwork-todo, really good work there, putting it all together.. but its kind of hard for me to think of anything more to add right now..
[06:01] <artnay> wait a sec
[06:01] <Danten> so then that could be a goal
[06:01] <artnay> so could GNOME Art be forked to fetch stuff from both art.gnome and art.ubuntu?
[06:02] <artnay> it's GPL and there's plenty of time left
[06:02] <bachler> i guess so, yeah..
[06:02] <bachler> btw, the link for the mousetheme.. it doesnt work for me
[06:02] <artnay> oh
[06:02] <artnay> I'll check it out
[06:02] <bachler> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=19506
[06:02] <bachler> nice
[06:03] <artnay> bachler: oh, I thought the link isn't working. so is the theme working?
[06:04] <artnay> if it would be an ideal world, that todo wouldn't be needed. all that information should be easily available at wiki 
[06:04] <bachler> when i come to think about it, it would be quite cool if the gnome art program could be froked to fetch stuff for ubuntu, but i really think that the original functionallaty to get themes from art.gnome.org is good to keep..
[06:04] <artnay> now it's a mess, outdated mess
[06:05] <artnay> bachler: sure, but they share the same code
[06:05] <artnay> and what about dupes?
[06:05] <artnay> well, that needs people to develop it
[06:05] <bachler> artnay: i cant get the link to work, so i cant get the mouse theme, so i havent tested it
[06:05] <artnay> let's just try to sum it all up
[06:06] <artnay> it works for me, odd.
[06:06] <artnay> are you able to connect www.gnome-look.org ?
[06:07] <bachler> yeah.. where are u? im in sweden using loopia as dns.. mabye its the thing.. whats the ip of gnome-look?
[06:07] <artnay> 80.190.240.90, finland
[06:07] <bachler> oh.. that works
[06:07] <bachler> strange..
[06:08] <artnay> it traces through telia to gnome-look.org
[06:08] <bachler> well, anyway.. im no ruby guru.. but im sure that someone could fix the gnome art program to fetch art from art.ubuntu
[06:09] <artnay> bachler: yeah, I'm pretty positive on that, too.
[06:09] <bachler> hmmm, do you have the name of the mouse theme
[06:09] <artnay> Pinux's Tux Cursors Theme  
[06:10] <bachler> ok.. ill check that out
[06:10] <bachler> im kind of busy at the moment.. schoolwork.. 
[06:10] <artnay> me too, I'm at work. trying to do all these things simultaneously
[06:11] <bachler> but, regarding the artwork-todo. nice job.. but as i said, i cant really come to think of anything to be added right now.. ill give you a shout if i do
[06:12] <artnay> GAIM theme?
[06:12] <artnay> gnome-terminal theme?
[06:12] <artnay> firefox/thunderbird theme?
[06:12] <bachler> ill check with some friends at school too
[06:12] <artnay> it should fit with the default look
[06:12] <bachler> yeah, a gaim theme would be nice
[06:12] <bachler> add it, i say! :-D
[06:12] <artnay> that's one of the reasons why people want to change fx to epiphany
[06:13] <bachler> fx= firefox?
[06:13] <bachler> oh,, yeah..
[06:13] <bachler> mabye a firefox/thunderbird theme would be nice too
[06:13] <bachler> anymore...
[06:13] <bachler> xmms?
[06:14] <bachler> bmp
[06:14] <Danten> dosen't it exist an ubuntu theme for bmp?
[06:14] <bachler> yeah, but i dont think its installabel throug apt
[06:15] <Danten> aa
[06:15] <artnay> ok, added irssi as well
[06:16] <bachler> i always (after a fresh install) need to go to like, gnome-look or something to get a nice xmms/bmp skin
[06:16] <bachler> xchat colors?
[06:16] <artnay> http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/showimage.php?i=1374
[06:16] <bachler> i personally use xchat
[06:16] <artnay> well I use "ubuntued" theme on irssi ;)
[06:16] <artnay> I'll add X-Chat as well
[06:17] <bachler> thats a nice irssi color theme.. maby "port" it to xchat?
[06:18] <Danten> and then maybe gnome-terminal too
[06:18] <bachler> yeah.. but how doest that work with ls --color?
[06:18] <artnay> added
[06:18] <Danten> have no clue :)
[06:19] <bachler> hehe,.. i could try to get some work done with this this weekend
[06:19] <artnay> it's nice to have ideas but there's always a danger that too much of brown here and there makes people to hate it
[06:19] <artnay> that's the danger to change the default themes of programs
[06:20] <artnay> but it's an idea, and we're looking for those, right?
[06:20] <Danten> yepp :)
[06:20] <artnay> I have to clean that list later today
[06:20] <bachler> i dont really think that there sould be a change to the default theme, just added themes..
[06:21] <artnay> if you have links to themes you're talking about, please paste
[06:21] <artnay> bachler: yeah, maybe we should at least provide an easy way to unify the look of desktop
[06:21] <artnay> apt-get install foobar
[06:22] <bachler> yeah, thats kind of what i was looking for i think
[06:22] <artnay> dapper also needs metapackages for complete themes
[06:22] <bachler> like ubuntu-artwork
[06:22] <artnay> mmm, sort of
[06:22] <bachler> well im no xpert on the apt stuff...
[06:23] <artnay> it would be to nice to get KDE brownish only with one command :>
[06:23] <bachler> yeah
[06:24] <bachler> hmm, i think i need to do some other stuff now.. but. keep up the good work
[06:24] <bachler> and cya
[06:25] <Danten> cya
[06:25] <Danten> a question:
[06:25] <Danten> SHAPES, Deadline ??, Members ??:
[06:25] <Danten> - ??
[06:25] <Danten> whats that?
[06:25] <artnay> what shapes should be used in metacity decorations, on background, GDM theme etc.
[06:26] <Danten> a
[06:26] <artnay> rounded?
[06:26] <artnay> do we want something like this: http://art.ubuntu.com/backgrounds/ubuntu/64
[06:26] <artnay> bachler: bye and welcome back ;)
[06:28] <Danten> so practically shapes and colour is the common direction for artist to go
[06:28] <artnay> there are some rules already
[06:28] <artnay> like palettes to use etc.
[06:29] <Danten> So this goal is like "extended rules for Dapper"?
[06:29] <Danten> and then we have a new goal for dapper+1
[06:30] <artnay> I guess the rules at wiki are still for Breezy
[06:31] <artnay> the whole wiki is Breezy-oriented
[06:31] <artnay> it's outdated
[06:31] <artnay> but I guess the same rules apply to Dapper
[06:31] <Danten> oki
[06:33] <Danten> hmm thinking again :) how easy is it for an artist to start working on a new installed ubuntu machin? like does he has all programs needed or are they easy to get through apt? (as you can see I have no clue) :)
[06:34] <artnay> what kind of graphics?
[06:34] <artnay> vector, pixel, 3d?
[06:34] <artnay> gimp is there by default (for pixel graphics)
[06:35] <artnay> inkscape is available from repos (vectors)
[06:35] <artnay> and then there's maya3d etc. for 3d
[06:35] <artnay> I'm not familiar with 3d programs
[06:36] <Danten> well, I thought all kinds of artist (including audio) and that maybe we should make it easy to know which applications to get, maybe with ubuntu art or so
[06:37] <artnay> well I haven't found a suitable audio editing program yet
[06:37] <artnay> but you can run some windows stuff using wine
[06:37] <Danten> ;P
[06:37] <artnay> it's a shame, I know
[06:38] <bachler> audacity
[06:38] <bachler> i use it when i make sampels for tracking music
[06:38] <artnay> that might work for some people
[06:38] <Danten> Then maybe that could be a goal to collect a list of good applications that can be recomendated
[06:39] <artnay> Danten: I don't think that's artwork team's job, talk to documentation team
[06:39] <Danten> hmm maybe
[06:39] <artnay> they might give some recommendations at help.ubuntu.com or system -> help
[06:40] <artnay> or then ubuntuforums should be bookmarked by default ;)
[06:40] <artnay> "umh, what's this"
[06:40] <Danten> hehe ^^
[06:44] <artnay> I'm out of ideas now. It's been a long day and I've nearly finished my work (that's a miracle if you think about what I've been doing here)
[06:45] <Danten> good :) (not that you are out of ideas but I think you got that ;) )
[06:49] <artnay> and that's it, I'm off. later guys!
[06:49] <Danten> later