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| makx | Keybuk: have you split out udev into hooks? | 09:07 |
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| === makx looks into the ubuntu patches. | ||
| Keybuk | yes, our udev package will ship its own udev hook script and normal scripts | 09:07 |
| infinity | (But he hasnt made those uploads yet, so looking for patches is useless) | 09:08 |
| Keybuk | I've also taken the hook out of initramfs and the code itself out of the source | 09:08 |
| makx | nice | 09:08 |
| Keybuk | infinity: I'm gonna do them today | 09:08 |
| infinity | \o/ | 09:08 |
| === makx is fed up of running after Md. | ||
| Keybuk | is lrm ready? | 09:08 |
| infinity | I'm doing LRM today. | 09:08 |
| makx | #341014 new udev related rc bug. | 09:08 |
| infinity | BenC is doing one last kernel upload tomorrow before we do -meta. | 09:08 |
| Keybuk | cool | 09:09 |
| Keybuk | makx: yeah, there's a zillion copies of that one -- doesn't affect us :) | 09:09 |
| infinity | (Which will be an ABI bump and another LRM, but that's no big deal) | 09:09 |
| makx | Keybuk: haven't looked at it yet. | 09:09 |
| makx | didn't know there are more than this one. | 09:09 |
| infinity | Keybuk : Is there any chance of us converging with Debian's udev again, or are we forking too far to come back at this point? | 09:09 |
| Keybuk | makx: afaict it's a user using a udev that requires 2.6.15 on 2.6.14 | 09:09 |
| Keybuk | infinity: forking it and never looking back | 09:10 |
| Keybuk | upstream is our rock for udev now | 09:10 |
| makx | Keybuk: any recommendation how i should handle that bug? | 09:16 |
| === makx wanted initramfs-tools to migrate to testing. | ||
| makx | but udev keeps it away atm. | 09:16 |
| makx | d-i needs initramfs-tools in testing. | 09:16 |
| Keybuk | Depends: linux-image-2.6.15-<abi> would work | 09:16 |
| Kamion | kernel tomorrow? OK, Flight 2 is officially next week, not this week | 09:27 |
| Kamion | I'm not going to try to get it out two days after a major kernel upgrade | 09:27 |
| makx | hmm newer udev works on my box | 09:31 |
| makx | even with 2.6.14 *strange* | 09:31 |
| infinity | Kamion : Wimp. :) | 09:33 |
| infinity | Kamion : After some of my other tasks are settled, CD buildability/installability is moving up my personal priority list. | 09:33 |
| infinity | Kamion : Have you decided what to do about cdebconf and libgtk+2.0-directfb-dev? | 09:45 |
| makx | bahh could reproduce while recreating initramfs | 10:04 |
| Kamion | infinity: not yet | 10:11 |
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| Kamion | inclined to rip it out of cdebconf for the moment until it stabilises upstream, though | 10:11 |
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| fabbione | Kamion: can i safely assume that architectures that have special /boot requirements are properly coded in partman-auto recipes? | 10:52 |
| fabbione | it looks to me that it is a "true" statement and that the recipes are done in such a way that / is always on an ext3 fs | 10:53 |
| fabbione | if so, that will simplify my life of a magnitude | 10:57 |
| makx | Keybuk: i've fixes for udev 0.76, will integrate your separation after. | 11:11 |
| Kamion | fabbione: the partman-auto recipes shouldn't create anything incorrect | 11:15 |
| Kamion | by themselves | 11:15 |
| fabbione | Kamion: ok.. i did recheck and it looks like i am right.. in that case i can save a few tons of code :) | 11:16 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion lshttp://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/bzr/cdebconf-keystep/ | 11:58 |
| Mithrandir | grr | 11:58 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/bzr/cdebconf-keystep/ and http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/bzr/cdebconf/ might be interesting. | 11:58 |
| Mithrandir | they should be pullable now | 11:58 |
| Kamion | I'll have a look later; buried in syslinux right now | 11:59 |
| Mithrandir | sure, have fun. :-) | 11:59 |
| Kamion | unlikely :-/ | 12:02 |
| === Kamion idly curses Fabian | ||
| Kamion | "please apply 3000 lines of assembly patch, kthxbye" | 12:02 |
| Kamion | +.nosusedata: | 12:03 |
| Kamion | NO, THIS ISN'T DISTRO-SPECIFIC AT ALL, WHY DO YOU ASK? | 12:03 |
| Mithrandir | it's early enough that you can't use C sensibly? | 12:03 |
| Kamion | syslinux is mostly assembly, yes | 12:03 |
| Kamion | there's some C in the higher-level areas, but this is all very low-level | 12:03 |
| Kamion | +lxrc_data db ' SuSE=' | 12:04 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 12:04 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: it's debian-cd which generates the syslinux configuration for the install CDs, right? | 12:18 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: currently, yes | 12:22 |
| Kamion | colin.watson@canonical.com--2005/debian-cd--ubuntu--0 | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | cheers | 12:22 |
| Mithrandir | I think I have a somewhat ugly hack for it to reboot after checking. Set MENU to /bin/cdrom-checker;/sbin/reboot | 12:26 |
| fabbione | i think i got partman-auto-lvm to do exactly what we want | 12:34 |
| fabbione | Kamion: is the latest parted (with lvm support on ppc) in dapper? | 12:34 |
| Kamion | fabbione: yes | 12:36 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ bash | 12:37 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ MENU='foo;id' | 12:37 |
| Kamion | <cjwatson@cairhien ~>$ exec echo $MENU | 12:37 |
| Kamion | foo;id | 12:37 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: I don't think that will work, no | 12:37 |
| fabbione | Kamion: thanks | 12:37 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: shouldn't we just arrange for cdrom-checker to exit 12 in some mode? that will cause rootskel to reboot | 12:38 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: oh, it does? If so, that's a trivial change. | 12:38 |
| Mithrandir | isn't export MENU=${1:-/usr/bin/main-menu} | 12:39 |
| Mithrandir | bloody unuseful, since it's always called from inittab? | 12:40 |
| Kamion | you can run debian-installer by hand when debugging stuff | 12:44 |
| Kamion | in fact I often do :) | 12:44 |
| Kamion | yes, it's useless in the default path | 12:45 |
| Mithrandir | yes, but that piece of code means you can't do my hack which was just to set MENU on the syslinux command line | 12:45 |
| Mithrandir | so I'm wondering if it should leave $MENU alone if it's set. | 12:45 |
| Mithrandir | any thoughts on that? | 12:46 |
| Kamion | but your hack wouldn't work anyway because variable expansion doesn't work the way you need | 12:46 |
| Kamion | oh, without ; you mean? | 12:47 |
| Kamion | sure, it probably should | 12:47 |
| Mithrandir | true, so cdrom-checker would need a small adjustment as well | 12:47 |
| Kamion | anyone here know what the SuSE= kernel argument does on SuSE kernels? | 12:47 |
| Mithrandir | to exit 12 instead of EXIT_SUCCESS if strcmp(argv[0] ,getenv("MENU")) == 0 or something like that. | 12:48 |
| Kamion | that would work ... | 12:48 |
| Mithrandir | it's a hack, but I don't think it's undesirable. | 12:49 |
| === Kamion nods | ||
| Mithrandir | I'll just commit it upstream, I can't see any reason not to take that. | 12:50 |
| Keybuk | Kamion: does /lib/modules/.../modules.ofmap exist and contain data for you? | 12:50 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: not on Debian; should I reboot into dapper? | 12:51 |
| Keybuk | it may need new module-init-tools | 12:52 |
| Keybuk | ok, I won't worry for now | 12:53 |
| Kamion | oh, use-case for having proc in fstab; upgrading chroots and being too lazy to type 'mount -t proc proc /proc' (some packages require mounted /proc to upgrade cleanly) | 12:54 |
| Keybuk | true, but then we'd also need /sys in there | 12:56 |
| Keybuk | not to mention /dev | 12:56 |
| Kamion | 'mount /sys' seems to work without it being in fstab | 01:02 |
| Kamion | (hmm, maybe /proc would too, haven't tried) | 01:03 |
| Kamion | the minimal set of device nodes debootstrap sticks in /dev is generally enough to get by for just upgrading stuff | 01:03 |
| Kamion | you don't really need hardware devices there, just the virtual ones | 01:03 |
| Keybuk | I guess | 01:04 |
| Keybuk | I'm not too concerned which way we go | 01:04 |
| Keybuk | if we have /proc in fstab, we should have /sys too, both with a note that everything is ignored and it's just there so you can "mount /proc" | 01:04 |
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| infinity | Kamion : People mount proc from inside their chroots?... I mount proc from the base system into all the chroots. | 01:26 |
| fabbione | GO LVM | 01:34 |
| fabbione | DIE DIE DIE | 01:34 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: would you rather that I backport my changes (so we have to merge them later), or should I just upload the packages in Debian and wait for them to trickle through to us? It's rootskel and cdrom-checker. | 01:58 |
| Kamion | Mithrandir: just do it in Debian, I think | 02:02 |
| Kamion | particularly since we're in sync with rootskel right now | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | ok, sure | 02:02 |
| Mithrandir | do we sync installer components automatically? | 02:03 |
| Kamion | yes | 02:04 |
| Kamion | coo, syslinux supports assembling multiple initramfs pieces now | 02:27 |
| === fabbione builds d-i to test pal on ppc | ||
| fabbione | we need to switch to .15 | 02:33 |
| fabbione | or i will be forever doomed to build custom d-i | 02:33 |
| jbailey | fabbione: What's blocking it? | 02:33 |
| fabbione | jbailey: that my ppc is not supported in .12? | 02:33 |
| fabbione | so i had to patch .12 to get a kernel that can actually install on my ppc | 02:34 |
| jbailey | Kamion: I think it has since at least OLS. | 02:34 |
| jbailey | Kamion: HPA and I talked about it there. | 02:34 |
| fabbione | bah | 02:50 |
| fabbione | pal still hates me on ppc | 02:50 |
| fabbione | ok.. it's tomorrow's work to get it fixed | 02:51 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: some people might think you're slightly obsessive in your branding when you are changing Debian to Ubuntu inside comment strings in the source. ;-) | 02:56 |
| Kamion | :-) | 02:57 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 02:57 |
| Kamion | yeah, should probably drop those patches | 02:57 |
| fabbione | Kamion: do you think you can help me a second? | 02:57 |
| Kamion | sure | 02:58 |
| fabbione | for some reasons a d-i build from today on ppc | 02:58 |
| fabbione | doesn't have libselinux | 02:58 |
| fabbione | and lvm2 basically doesn't work | 02:58 |
| fabbione | using the last daily install on i386 works.. and i am assuming it has libselinux | 02:58 |
| Kamion | it needs libselinux in the udeb build? that's fucked | 02:58 |
| Kamion | there's no point having libselinux in d-i and I'd rather it weren't there | 02:58 |
| fabbione | pvs: error while loading shared .. | 02:58 |
| fabbione | ok | 02:58 |
| Kamion | there's no selinux udeb | 02:59 |
| fabbione | so i guess i need to play with lvm2 to make 2 different builds | 02:59 |
| Kamion | yes | 02:59 |
| fabbione | that's ok | 02:59 |
| fabbione | it's only linked | 02:59 |
| fabbione | "only" | 02:59 |
| Kamion | if it's linked as a shared object (and if not, why not?) then there needs to be a udeb | 02:59 |
| fabbione | either i got the merge wrong | 03:00 |
| fabbione | (lvm2) | 03:00 |
| fabbione | or we need that | 03:00 |
| fabbione | but right now i am too tired to figure it out | 03:00 |
| fabbione | the new pal should work just fine once this is fixed | 03:01 |
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| Keybuk | Kamion: so, what do you reckon? should I upload new udev and friends now, or wait until wednesday morning | 03:46 |
| Keybuk | (on the basis that I'm not contactable at all tomorrow) | 03:46 |
| infinity | Will it break the current default kernel? | 03:47 |
| infinity | If 2.6.12-9 continues to work right until I update linux-meta, upload it now. | 03:48 |
| infinity | Otherwise, drop the upload somewhere where I can get at it, and I'll do it all together. | 03:48 |
| === Kamion agrees with infinity | ||
| Keybuk | it'll braek | 03:50 |
| infinity | Now I tihnk I'm going to dirnk myself into a stupor and attempt to get some stress-relieved sleep. | 03:50 |
| infinity | Keybuk : Then sign the uplooad, put it somewhere, and mail me the location. | 03:50 |
| infinity | Keybuk : I'll make the upload together with linux-meta. | 03:50 |
| Keybuk | http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/packages/new-udev | 03:53 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: How brave do we have to be? =) | 03:55 |
| Keybuk | works for me :) | 03:55 |
| === jbailey builds | ||
| jbailey | Do I need to be on 2.6.15? | 03:56 |
| jbailey | Last I checked that was still b0rked on ppc64 | 03:57 |
| jbailey | dpkg-source: error: file udev_076.orig.tar.gz has size 4903 instead of expected 281735 | 03:57 |
| Keybuk | yes, you do | 03:57 |
| jbailey | Keybuk: How are you planning to handle the migration from Breezy to Dapper? | 03:57 |
| Keybuk | uh, try now | 03:57 |
| Keybuk | "migration" ? | 03:57 |
| jbailey | Making sure that a person has the new kernel loaded. | 03:58 |
| jbailey | Works this time, thanks. | 03:58 |
| Keybuk | it checks whether /sys/class/mem/null/uevent exists, if not unmounts /dev and puts the old static one back | 03:59 |
| jbailey | Ah, cool. | 03:59 |
| Keybuk | it seemed a sane one to look for <g> | 03:59 |
| jbailey | Ooo, cuddly. It provides the initramfs-tools hooks itself. | 04:00 |
| Keybuk | yes | 04:00 |
| jbailey | Nice. The hooks are quite clean. | 04:01 |
| jbailey | I'll ask Ben about 2.6.15 when he's on later, and then test it on ppc64 and sparc for you. | 04:02 |
| Keybuk | right, gonna have lunch, then go down south -- back wednesday | 04:04 |
| makx | hello jbailey | 04:43 |
| makx | i've got an upldate for the debian version. | 04:43 |
| makx | new udev upstream.. | 04:43 |
| makx | closes 1 rc bug, haven't packaged yet. | 04:44 |
| jbailey | makx: Cool. | 04:44 |
| makx | will ping you in one hour when it's on mentors. | 04:44 |
| jbailey | makx: Note that Ubuntu and Debian udev packages are about to diverge heavily. | 04:44 |
| makx | yes please tell me | 04:44 |
| jbailey | makx: It might be worth taking a look at some of the hacks that Scott's done in his repository. It splits all of the udev stuff into the udev package. | 04:45 |
| makx | you are stabilizing? | 04:45 |
| makx | i know | 04:45 |
| jbailey | For Debian, you might want to take those hooks and package them into the initramfs-tools package directly. | 04:45 |
| makx | is it uploaded already to ubuntu? | 04:45 |
| makx | spoke with Md he will take those hooks in middle term | 04:45 |
| makx | enough running after udev.. ;) | 04:46 |
| === makx looks up packages.u.c | ||
| makx | uugh missing /dev/input/mouse | 04:47 |
| makx | has your kernel also modular mousedev | 04:47 |
| jbailey | Yes. | 04:49 |
| makx | :( | 04:51 |
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| makx | Keybuck: where can i find latest udev? | 05:23 |
| makx | jbailey uploaded 1 min ago initramfs-tools 0.41 -> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/i/initramfs-tools/ | 07:04 |
| makx | bug reporter did test that version with udev from incoming | 07:04 |
| makx | solved all issues for him+me. | 07:05 |
| makx | again an high urgency upload. | 07:05 |
| makx | also vorlon is letting initramfs-tools 0.40 into testing | 07:07 |
| makx | as it works against the udev which is in etch. | 07:07 |
| makx | :) | 07:07 |
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| makx | Kamion: initramfs-tools migrated to testing :) | 11:35 |
| Kamion | hooray, we can revert that hack after the mirror push then | 11:36 |
| fabbione | Kamion: still around? | 11:42 |
| Kamion | fabbione: yes | 11:44 |
| fabbione | Kamion: do you think we can schedule a 20/30 minutes work together tomorrow? | 11:44 |
| Kamion | yeah, probably. I have to go into town at some point though | 11:45 |
| fabbione | other than between 10:30 UTC and 12:30 UTC ( i have to go to the dentist) | 11:45 |
| fabbione | yeah you tell me when it's best for you outside that slot and i am fine | 11:45 |
| fabbione | there are some issues with pal i need to look at together with you | 11:45 |
| fabbione | because i am not sure 100% how to address them | 11:46 |
| Kamion | 15:00 UTC? | 11:57 |
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