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| raphink | Riddell, \sh_away : you're around? | 01:50 |
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| jamesh | Mithrandir: about your pkg-config question: no. If a package is a private dependency, then its interface shouldn't be exposed at all. | 02:39 |
| jamesh | Mithrandir: so the -I flags shouldn't be included | 02:39 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 06:25 |
| magnon | hey :) | 06:25 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:42 |
| zakame | hi pitti , afternoon :) | 07:42 |
| ajmitch | hi pitti | 07:42 |
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| crimsun | elmo: please sync yasm from Sid, thanks | 08:05 |
| crimsun | elmo: scratch that, sorry | 08:06 |
| sivang | Good morning all! | 08:07 |
| crimsun | 'morning | 08:07 |
| zakame | hi sivang :D | 08:07 |
| sivang | hey zakame , 'sup? | 08:08 |
| sivang | pitti: Morning Martin! | 08:09 |
| pitti | Hi sivang | 08:09 |
| zakame | sivang: here in the local internet cafe, I dragged my desktop all the way here so I could dist-upgrade my chroots ;) | 08:10 |
| sivang | zakame: wow, this is extreme :) | 08:10 |
| zakame | sivang: wish I had a laptop though :( | 08:10 |
| zakame | or a shuttle | 08:11 |
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| sivang | heh | 08:11 |
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| mike_douglas | I have a feeling that the latest Xorg open source ATI drivers are frying my chip. | 09:14 |
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| fabbione | mike_douglas: what arch? | 09:15 |
| mike_douglas | x86 | 09:15 |
| fabbione | and what release? dapper? | 09:15 |
| fabbione | or breezy? | 09:15 |
| mike_douglas | dapper | 09:15 |
| fabbione | possibly | 09:15 |
| mike_douglas | :) | 09:15 |
| mike_douglas | Its the "interference" while totem is playing a mp3 leaking through other windows when black is displayed. | 09:16 |
| fabbione | what chipset do you have? r300 or higher? | 09:16 |
| mike_douglas | r250 | 09:16 |
| fabbione | weird but possible | 09:17 |
| viviersf | ive seen some issues with xorg and the new ati cards | 09:17 |
| mike_douglas | looks like it isn't doing any permanent damage, I can move the totem window around, and the "interference" leaks through at different places. | 09:18 |
| fabbione | viviersf: yes. so do i | 09:22 |
| viviersf | fabbione, like blank X , blank terminals etc ? | 09:27 |
| fabbione | no | 09:28 |
| viviersf | thats what i got | 09:29 |
| viviersf | kernels framebuffer sumtimes waste ati completely | 09:29 |
| viviersf | not that big problem | 09:29 |
| viviersf | just disable the fb and all is well | 09:30 |
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| dholbach | hello | 09:53 |
| mvo | good morning dholbach ! | 09:54 |
| magnon | hey daniel | 09:54 |
| dholbach | hey mvo, magnon :) | 09:55 |
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| dholbach | hi pietrus | 10:12 |
| dholbach | pitti :) | 10:12 |
| pitti_ | Hi dholbach | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | wb pitti :) | 10:14 |
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| Mithrandir | doko: hmm, where has libc6-i386-dev gone? | 10:22 |
| doko | Mithrandir: it did never exist | 10:25 |
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| Mithrandir | doko: ok, any plans on changing that? | 10:26 |
| seb128 | do we do autosync every day from Debian nowadays? | 10:28 |
| doko | sure, it's currently delayed. jbailey is working on it | 10:28 |
| Mithrandir | doko: ok, coolie | 10:30 |
| lifeless | Diziet: ping | 10:31 |
| rob1 | hi, just a quick one: | 10:32 |
| rob1 | for dapper, what will be the preferred way to install packages without a .desktop file? | 10:32 |
| seb128 | elmo: gnome-doc-utils sync (if we don't autosync) please | 10:38 |
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| Keybuk | pitti: so, I have a cute bug for you | 10:53 |
| pitti | Hi Keybuk | 10:53 |
| Keybuk | postgresql tells me the packages I have installed are obsolete, and to fix it I need to install the same packages that I have installed :) | 10:53 |
| pitti | Keybuk: yes, known | 10:53 |
| Keybuk | thought it might be | 10:53 |
| pitti | Keybuk: fixed in postgresql-common version 35 | 10:53 |
| Keybuk | do I need to change packages? | 10:54 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: please review http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/sane-backends/ | 10:59 |
| pitti | Keybuk: well, 8.0 is obsolete, yes | 11:00 |
| pitti | Keybuk: -common 35 shoudl display the correct note | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | pitti: we're up to postgresql 9.0 already? :) | 11:00 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: will do today, still busy with my server | 11:00 |
| pitti | ajmitch: 9.0? no, 8.1 | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | good | 11:00 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: ok, take your time and ping me when you've looked at it. | 11:01 |
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| Keybuk | pitti: I have -7.4 not -8.0 | 11:01 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it's kinda annoying to see the "you have an obsolete version installed" note twice on each and every upgrade.. | 11:01 |
| Keybuk | the note seems a little extreme | 11:01 |
| pitti | Keybuk: for sid and sarge that's fine, for dapper 8.1 will be the only supported version | 11:02 |
| Keybuk | I don't think we should show it at all, they might have a perfectly valid reason for having 7.4 | 11:02 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: twice? | 11:02 |
| Keybuk | database upgrades aren't trivial | 11:02 |
| pitti | Keybuk: somehow admins have to be pointed to the fact that the packages they have installed are not supported any more, and not even in the archive | 11:02 |
| pitti | Keybuk: with pg_upgradecluster it should be reasonably easy | 11:02 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: yes, twice. | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | twice for me too | 11:03 |
| pitti | Keybuk: leaving the admin totally uninformed is certainly not the right way either? | 11:03 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: if the packages aren't in the archive any more, it will show up in "obsolete packages" in aptitude or dselect. | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | pitti: we don't note for unsupported kernels | 11:03 |
| pitti | hm, will look at the twice bug, doesn't happen for me | 11:03 |
| Keybuk | so yeah, I think leaving the admin to notice the old-fashioned way is fine | 11:03 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: well, for Debian; but for Ubuntu they moved to universe | 11:04 |
| \sh | good morning gentlemen | 11:04 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: so on installations with just "main", they'll show up as obsolete. | 11:04 |
| pitti | Keybuk: I could restrict the note to be displayed just once. ever. | 11:04 |
| crimsun | Keybuk: just read your e-mail RE: wpasupplicant. Any suggestions on the numbering? | 11:04 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: right, but they are not udated in universe either | 11:04 |
| Keybuk | crimsun: don't do it in rcS | 11:05 |
| Keybuk | there isn't a place you can put it | 11:05 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: why not get them removed from universe, then? It's not supposed to be a dumping ground. | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | doko: was there a decision on the python version to use for zope products? | 11:05 |
| Keybuk | instead tell me what the requirements are for when/how to run wpa_supplicant, and we'll work out a udev rule or if-pre-up.d script for it | 11:05 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I will eventually | 11:05 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: they moved to universe a week ago, I thought I leave them there for some more weeks transition time | 11:05 |
| doko | ajmitch: which zope products, which zope versions? | 11:06 |
| crimsun | Keybuk: it needs to be run before a wifi interface is brought up | 11:06 |
| Keybuk | crimsun: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d seems the right place then :) | 11:06 |
| ajmitch | doko: the ones I accepted to merge on http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=accepted, and any others we may touch | 11:06 |
| crimsun | Keybuk: ok, so should I be touching that, or will you handle it? | 11:06 |
| Keybuk | crimsun: you can handle it | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | it's a universe package | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | doko: I didn't recall if you said that there'd be a shift of all products for 2.7, 2.8 to python 2.4 | 11:07 |
| crimsun | Keybuk: thanks for the pointers | 11:07 |
| doko | 2.x runs with 2.3, 3.x with 2.4 | 11:07 |
| ajmitch | ok, so the status quo remains | 11:07 |
| Keybuk | crimsun: in if-pre-up.d you get a bunch of environment variables that tell you which interface is being brought up -- you should then check that it's a wireless and needs wpa, and start the supplicant for that interface | 11:08 |
| ajmitch | I don't think we have any zope 3.x products in ubuntu apart from schooltool, right? | 11:08 |
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| ajmitch | or is that schoolbell? :) | 11:08 |
| crimsun | Keybuk: ok | 11:09 |
| \sh | crimsun: another solution is /etc/network/interfaces....# | 11:09 |
| \sh | crimsun: there is somewhere a howto where the script will be called during initializing the interfaces | 11:09 |
| Keybuk | \sh: that's the same as if-pre-up.d | 11:09 |
| \sh | Keybuk: ah yes...u r right..(I'm just still sleeping) | 11:10 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: please sync quagga from unstable. Overriding ubuntu changes is ok. | 11:10 |
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| pitti | Mithrandir: I already requested that last week... | 11:11 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I think he already did | 11:11 |
| \sh | infinity: can u have a look at ardour_0.99.3ubuntu1 it has a scons problem *grmpf* | 11:12 |
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| infinity | \sh : Meh, I already fixed this problem during the breezy cycle. Unless it's developed a new one... | 11:21 |
| infinity | Oh, or the changes didn't make it in into the dapper chroots, due to some fantastic timing. | 11:22 |
| infinity | \sh : Will fix. | 11:22 |
| \sh | infinity: thx :) | 11:22 |
| \sh | infinity: and yes I hate scons too :) the 99999 build system .. grrr | 11:23 |
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| infinity | elmo / Znarl : crested appears to be down. | 11:27 |
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| Mithrandir | pitti: you didn't close the bug. :-P | 11:32 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: no, not yet | 11:32 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: well, it's synced, so I'll close the bug. | 11:34 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: oh, did you close it just now? I can't find it any more | 11:34 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: approximately five seconds ago, yes. | 11:34 |
| pitti | k, thanks | 11:34 |
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| infinity | elmo / Znarl : Would be nice if one of you could poke floe with a stick too, if/when you smack crested around. | 11:44 |
| hunger | Are the breezy CDs broken? | 11:46 |
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| hunger | I downloaded one yesterday and it fails to install (ubuntu-minimal depending on xfsprogs which is not going to get installed). | 11:46 |
| hunger | md5sum is correct. | 11:47 |
| ajmitch | hunger: I'd say we would have heard a large outcry if they all failed to install | 11:47 |
| hunger | ajmitch: That is what I was thinking as well... | 11:47 |
| hunger | ajmitch: Probably it is my CDROM acting up or something. | 11:48 |
| Znarl | infinity : floe and crested are down? :/ | 11:48 |
| === hunger grabs hoary and tries that instead. | ||
| StevenK | hunger: I misread that as '* hunger goes ...' :-) | 11:49 |
| infinity | Znarl : crested looks completely down, floe is responding to pings, but I left an SSH connection attempt sitting there for a few minutes and never got to a prompt. So it's either VERY loaded (possible), or half dead. | 11:49 |
| infinity | Znarl : I'll try longer to get to floe, but crested seems very much gone. | 11:50 |
| infinity | StevenK : Most of our machines are types of penguins. A few machines break that rule here and there. | 11:51 |
| StevenK | Ahhhh. | 11:51 |
| StevenK | Now it mostly makes sense. | 11:51 |
| Mithrandir | elmo: please sync libgc from unstable, overriding ubuntu changes is ok | 11:51 |
| Mithrandir | Diziet: would you mind if I assigned the mozilla merge to you? | 11:52 |
| Znarl | infinity : I just kicked both machines. | 11:52 |
| Mithrandir | Znarl: no wonder they break if you go around kicking them.. ;-) | 11:52 |
| Znarl | I only kick the broken ones! | 11:53 |
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| Keybuk | ...mmm...forbidden christmas cake... | 11:54 |
| Kamion | ok, the gfxboot patch is officially hideous | 11:55 |
| Keybuk | gfxboot? | 11:55 |
| Kamion | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CdBootloader | 11:55 |
| Keybuk | ahh | 11:56 |
| Kamion | I'm at 3800-odd lines of assembly patches at the moment | 11:56 |
| Keybuk | those are the best, aren't they | 11:56 |
| Keybuk | I find sdiff/meld/etc. much better for those kinds of things, as you can actually read the new and old code how they're supposed to be | 11:57 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: How is it forbidden? | 11:57 |
| ogra | dholbach, ping | 11:58 |
| Kamion | Keybuk: I have no particular problem reading the patch; it's just that it's HUGE | 11:58 |
| StevenK | Kinnison: It isn't Christmas yet? | 11:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: pong | 11:59 |
| Kinnison | StevenK: so? | 11:59 |
| StevenK | Keybuk: Damn it, now I want Christmas cake. | 11:59 |
| Kinnison | StevenK: It's just practice | 11:59 |
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| Keybuk | xmas cake or xmas pud? | 11:59 |
| Kinnison | cake | 12:00 |
| Kamion | StevenK, Mithrandir: BTW, looking at scrollback, there's no "pccardmgr" to replace cardmgr; most of what cardmgr did has moved into the kernel, and the rest is a few udev rules and helpers. | 12:00 |
| Keybuk | I bought mine from the Frankfurt xmas market | 12:00 |
| Mithrandir | Kamion: ook. | 12:00 |
| Kinnison | Keybuk: heh | 12:00 |
| StevenK | Kamion: Wheeee! That's cool. | 12:00 |
| === Kinnison made his, as per every year | ||
| StevenK | Kamion: If I was an ftp-master, I'd kick pcmcia-cs out the archive, put it back and then kick it out again. | 12:01 |
| StevenK | Come to think of it, I did that at work for a package. | 12:01 |
| Keybuk | StevenK: and this is why you're not an ftp-master ... :o) | 12:01 |
| Kamion | well, there still seem to be a few bugs in the new world order, e.g. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20154 | 12:01 |
| StevenK | Keybuk: I happen to be one at work ... :-) | 12:01 |
| Kamion | not that I can reproduce it with any of the 16-bit PCMCIA or CardBus cards that I have lying around here, including one with the same manfid as the report | 12:01 |
| === StevenK kicks the "Certificate expired" message in the guts. | ||
| === StevenK wonders if the submitter has i82365 (or whatever the bloody hell it is), yenta_socket or ds loaded... | ||
| StevenK | He does. | 12:05 |
| Kamion | StevenK: we went through a lot of this, yeah | 12:06 |
| Kamion | it all seems sane :( | 12:06 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| StevenK | Silly card in bozo mode? I mean, nothing about the card shows up in udev. | 12:07 |
| ogra | pitti, ping | 12:07 |
| pitti_ | Hi ogra | 12:07 |
| ogra | pitti_, do you plan to update libnotify ? | 12:07 |
| Kamion | StevenK: 16-bit cards don't | 12:08 |
| pitti_ | ogra: I thought seb128 already did that | 12:08 |
| ogra | pitti_, g-p-m needs the newer version | 12:08 |
| StevenK | That'd be right. | 12:08 |
| Kamion | StevenK: well, not in the same way anyway | 12:08 |
| pitti_ | ogra: I don't have any plans in that regard | 12:08 |
| ogra | pitti_, we have 0.2.1 | 12:08 |
| ogra | it needs 0.2.2 | 12:08 |
| ogra | ok | 12:08 |
| Kamion | CardBus cards just behave as normal hotpluggable PCI cards; other cards *should* appear in /sys/bus/pcmcia/devices/ ... | 12:09 |
| Kamion | I'm claiming kernel bug at the moment but I don't know exactly where | 12:09 |
| StevenK | In either case, it was about time PCMCIA was dragged into line, kicking and screaming. | 12:10 |
| seb128 | pitti_, ogra: I'll update it now | 12:11 |
| ogra | seb128, thanks a lot :) | 12:12 |
| seb128 | np | 12:12 |
| zyga | ogra: please remind me to send you updated hwdb-client sometime later | 12:12 |
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| ogra | zyga, i'll put it in bzr during this week, its on my todo list | 12:13 |
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| zyga | ogra: oh, cool send me the url then it'll be easier | 12:15 |
| ogra | zyga, it will show up somewhere there: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ | 12:16 |
| zyga | k, thanks | 12:16 |
| ogra | i'll ping you | 12:16 |
| mvo | zyga: did you added i18n? | 12:21 |
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| zyga | mvo: as usual :) | 12:25 |
| zyga | mvo: s/ed// | 12:25 |
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| seb128 | elmo: libnotify notification-daemon syncs from Debian experimental please | 12:25 |
| mvo | zyga: nice! did you used language-selector/gdebi as a example? or something completely new? | 12:26 |
| zyga | mvo: I patched the source, I didn't do packaging yet but I plan to use l-s as an example, unless you have anything cleaner around | 12:26 |
| Riddell | elmo: ping, can you look at the problem with akode 2-rc1-1ubuntu2? | 12:27 |
| === zyga want's a 'awarded for i18n effors' medal someday ;] | ||
| mvo | zyga: I think nowdays gdebi is a bit better, but the idea is always the same. I try to avoid auto* and use distutils/setup.py as much as possible | 12:27 |
| zyga | I'll check out gdebi then, I didn't really read it yet, apart from DebPackage.py | 12:28 |
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| zyga | mvo: any chance to merge DebPackage into python-apt? | 12:28 |
| mvo | zyga: a pretty good one, just a matter of time | 12:29 |
| mvo | :) | 12:29 |
| zyga | mvo: k, need to think about base class then :) | 12:29 |
| mvo | zyga: yes, that's another issue. but I'm sure we can come up with something sensible | 12:30 |
| zyga | me too | 12:30 |
| lbm | mvo: where can i find gdebi sources? | 12:33 |
| lbm | need them for i18n if possible | 12:33 |
| mvo | lbm: either use bzr and "bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/gdebi--main/" | 12:34 |
| mvo | lbm: or apt-get source gdebi on dapper | 12:34 |
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| lbm | mvo: oh, that's why i couldn't find it in your baz archive :) | 12:34 |
| mvo | lbm: heh :) yes. I'll move to bzr for all stuff eventually, it's *so* nice | 12:37 |
| lbm | mvo: greeeeeeeeeat! | 12:39 |
| ogra | bazaar is dead, long live bazaar ;) | 12:41 |
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| lbm | mvo: i get a whole lot of errors when trying to intltool-update -g gdebi -m | 12:41 |
| === zyga runs | ||
| mvo | lbm: let me check | 12:43 |
| lbm | :) | 12:43 |
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| mvo | lbm: pleae update, I fixed the missing DebPackage.py. the remaining looks like harmless errors where intltool doesn't understand """ strings | 12:49 |
| lbm | mvo: thanks, i'll try | 12:49 |
| lbm | hmm, how do i pull the updates with bzr i might ask? :) | 12:50 |
| mvo | lbm: either "bzr merge" or "bzr pull" :) | 12:50 |
| lbm | mvo: oh, i used pull, but bzr didn't mention anything about any updates other than 0 conflicts | 12:51 |
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| mvo | lbm: try "bzr diff" then | 12:51 |
| Kinnison | lbm: bzr is the strong and silent type | 12:52 |
| lbm | i use a outdated version clearly (breezy) | 12:52 |
| lbm | Kinnison: sure is :) | 12:52 |
| === mvo waves to Kinnison | ||
| Kinnison | hey mvo | 12:52 |
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| lbm | mvo: typo in GDebi.py:169 | 01:00 |
| mvo | lbm: if you have a location on the web where you can push your branch, I'm happy to merge it from there | 01:03 |
| lbm | mvo: oh, i think it would be a little overkill to have my own branch :) | 01:04 |
| mvo | lbm: not really, it's easy/cheap with bzr. but I can of course fix it the "traditional" way :) | 01:04 |
| Kamion | you already do, by virtue of checking out mvo's | 01:05 |
| Kamion | a checkout is a branch; pull keeps you in sync as long as the branches haven't diverged | 01:05 |
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| lbm | yes, but i have it locally | 01:06 |
| mvo | lbm: thanks, I fixed the typo, please merge (you may have to re-run make update-po) | 01:09 |
| \sh | infinity: thx for fixing it :) | 01:09 |
| lbm | mvo: thanks, i never use make update-po, i use intltool-update directly, but anyway :) | 01:10 |
| mvo | lbm: oh, ok | 01:10 |
| mvo | fine as well :) | 01:10 |
| lbm | thanks | 01:10 |
| lbm | mvo: "After installing a dependency problem was found." | 01:20 |
| lbm | this is a little hard to understand | 01:20 |
| mvo | lbm: right. it's a error message that should never be displayed. if it is shown then the dependency resolution did something very stupid | 01:22 |
| mvo | lbm: I agree that it should be redone | 01:22 |
| lbm | mvo: okay, i'll figure it out :) | 01:22 |
| mvo | something like: "Internal error, please report the following information as a bug: After installing a dependency problem was found"" ? | 01:22 |
| infinity | A comma would help there, a lot. | 01:22 |
| infinity | "After installation, a dependency problem was found" or "A dependency problem was found after installation" | 01:23 |
| infinity | I assume that's what you mean anyway. | 01:23 |
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| HiddenWolf | how can one be found _after_ installation? | 01:24 |
| lbm | also my thought :) | 01:24 |
| infinity | Exactly why it's never supposed to happen. :) | 01:24 |
| mvo | it means that gdebi screwed up and I deserve a good kicking | 01:25 |
| mvo | so let's hope it is never displayed :) | 01:25 |
| Riddell | jbailey! | 01:25 |
| mvo | Riddell: I can't build adept, it looks like the build-deps are incomplete? it complains about missing libtagcol | 01:26 |
| Simira | morning jbailey | 01:26 |
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| Riddell | mvo: quite possibly, I'll add that to my things to fix today, a lot of KDE things are blocking on jbailey fixing cdbs for me though :) | 01:27 |
| jbailey | Heya Jonathan, Karianne (and everyone!) | 01:28 |
| mvo | Riddell: no problem, I will look into it again if I find time | 01:28 |
| === mvo waves to jabra | ||
| === mvo waves to jbailey | ||
| mvo | :) | 01:28 |
| mvo | lbm: please merge again, I updated the error text | 01:31 |
| lbm | mvo: i will | 01:31 |
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| lbm | mvo: "No entry for '%s' found" | 01:34 |
| lbm | what relation? | 01:34 |
| mvo | lbm: it's for missing entries in the deb package, e.g. a missing "Maintainer" field | 01:35 |
| lbm | mvo: oh, could you make a note about it in the source? | 01:36 |
| mvo | lbm: done and pushed, thanks | 01:36 |
| lbm | mvo: great, thanks | 01:36 |
| jbailey | Riddell: What have you done already to troubleshoot the cdbs failure? I'm a bit busy today, so if I can avoid hacking on this I'd rather. If it's truly blocking you, I'll fix it but it would be useful to know what you've done already. | 01:40 |
| Riddell | jbailey: it's failed on recursive.sh test, there doesn't seem to be any output in the build log saying why. It compiles fine in my dapper chroot and pbuilder | 01:41 |
| Riddell | so I'm stuck | 01:41 |
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| dholbach | Kamion, mdz: can you please promote libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a to main? | 01:49 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | is here the place to ask about a broken package? | 01:51 |
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| jbailey | Riddell: Is cdbs installed in your chroot? | 01:54 |
| Riddell | jbailey: yes | 01:55 |
| fabbione | Kamping_Kaiser: -> #ubuntu | 01:55 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | fabbione: ok | 01:55 |
| fabbione | or otherwise open a bug in bugzilla | 01:55 |
| jbailey | Riddell: Can you pls confirm for me that it fails if you uninstall it? | 01:55 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | fabbione: just want to know if it's known, so I'll ask ther thanks | 01:55 |
| fabbione | search in bugzilla than | 01:55 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | mmm. | 01:56 |
| Riddell | jbailey: it still compiles | 01:57 |
| Riddell | with cdbs uninstalled | 01:57 |
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| jbailey | Riddell: No idea, then. Probably best to set -x in there and look at the output from the buildd then. | 01:58 |
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| Riddell | jbailey: the buildd log gives no output other than that recursive.sh failed | 02:00 |
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| Kamion | dholbach: done | 02:03 |
| dholbach | Kamion: merci beaucoup | 02:03 |
| jbailey | Riddell: Right. But recursive.sh is a shell script. | 02:03 |
| jbailey | Riddell: Just hack it to actually provide output. | 02:03 |
| Riddell | and re-upload? | 02:04 |
| jbailey | Riddell: Unless you can think of a way to get the info otherwise. Adam or LaMont might have another solution for you. | 02:05 |
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| lifeless | Diziet: around ? | 02:08 |
| === infinity perks. | ||
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| infinity | Riddell : Which fialure are you looking at?.. Package, version, arch. I can probably help dig deeper. | 02:11 |
| Riddell | infinity: cdbs 0.4.30ubuntu4 | 02:14 |
| Diziet | lifeless: Hello. | 02:14 |
| infinity | Oh, it's CDBS itself failing?... I thought you meants CDBS was breaking other stuff. | 02:15 |
| infinity | s/meants/meant/ | 02:15 |
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| Riddell | infinity: yes, the packages itself | 02:15 |
| Diziet | I was about to start lunch but I'll put it off :-). | 02:15 |
| Riddell | infinity: but as I say it compiles fine in pbuilder and chroot | 02:15 |
| Diziet | mithrandir: mozilla merge> Yes, I see you assigned it to me. That's sensible. | 02:16 |
| lifeless | Diziet: I'm off to sleep :[ | 02:18 |
| lifeless | Diziet: can you be around at 1200Z tomorrow ? | 02:18 |
| Diziet | Yes. | 02:18 |
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| lifeless | I *should* be back from aikido then | 02:19 |
| Diziet | You mean 1200 UTC I hope ? | 02:19 |
| lifeless | yes | 02:19 |
| Diziet | Your mail had something confusing about `your 1100Z is my Monday 2200Z'. | 02:19 |
| lifeless | 22.75 hours from now | 02:19 |
| Diziet | Right. | 02:19 |
| Diziet | Sleep well and talk to you then. | 02:20 |
| lifeless | ok, ciao | 02:20 |
| Diziet | (Next time, feel free to phone me if I seem unresponsive on IRC.) | 02:20 |
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| fabbione | hey Diziet | 02:25 |
| fabbione | Diziet: got a minute? | 02:26 |
| sivang | Keybuk: I want to help with bootchar, should I just install it on my dapper? | 02:28 |
| StevenK | Jesus, five minutes to build clanlib. Rothera must be a *beast*. | 02:30 |
| Keybuk | sivang: yup, it's in the dapper archive (in universe) | 02:30 |
| sivang | Keybuk: how do you get the results of the bootcharintg? | 02:32 |
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| === sivang installs | ||
| Keybuk | sivang: png files in /var/log/bootchart | 02:34 |
| Kamion | is Fabian Franz here? | 02:35 |
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| siretart | Kamion: he doesnt irc | 02:36 |
| siretart | Kamion: at ubz he told me email or icq was the best way to contact him | 02:37 |
| slomo | elmo: please sync mp3gain from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped | 02:38 |
| Diziet | fabbione: Can I get back to you after I've had my lunch ? | 02:39 |
| fabbione | Diziet: one very fast thing.. i am almost off.. i am suppsed to merge gs-esp and gs-gpl | 02:41 |
| fabbione | Diziet: but i saw you are pretty familiar with that code | 02:41 |
| fabbione | Diziet: do you want to take them and i will do a couple of your merges? | 02:41 |
| fabbione | (you can answer whenever you want) | 02:42 |
| Diziet | sure | 02:43 |
| Diziet | That sound sensible. | 02:44 |
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| Kamion | siretart: ICQ? How retro. In any case I've found a better contact person. | 02:47 |
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| fabbione | Diziet: ok. thanks. point me to a couple of merges from your and i will take care of them | 02:49 |
| StevenK | elmo: If you wouldn't mind, could you whitelist me for dapper-changes? I've sent the mail to upload@ul.o. Thanks. | 02:49 |
| fabbione | Diziet: gs-* are 19191 and 19192 | 02:50 |
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| slomo | seb128: ping? when do you plan to upload firefox-fixed liferea? | 03:09 |
| seb128 | slomo: in fact it doesn't break for me | 03:10 |
| seb128 | slomo: feel free to fix it if you have the issue | 03:11 |
| infinity | It's not liferea+firefox that's broken, it's liferea+gtkhtml. | 03:12 |
| infinity | Switching to the mozilla/firefox backend FIXES it. | 03:12 |
| slomo | hmm, for me both are broken | 03:13 |
| slomo | firefox/mozilla doesn't work at all, gtkhtml crashes sometimes | 03:13 |
| zakame | seb128: ping, about hardware-monitor, could I loosen the b-d on libgtop2-dev? sispoty asked me about it.. :) | 03:13 |
| infinity | "doesn't work at all"? | 03:13 |
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| seb128_ | re | 03:14 |
| infinity | slomo : You're aware that the mozilla backend doesn't do much of anything useful without liferea-mozilla installed, right? | 03:14 |
| slomo | infinity: i can't choose it in the settings... and liferea can't be compiled against current firefox | 03:14 |
| seb128_ | slomo: <seb128> slomo: feel free to fix it if you have the issue | 03:14 |
| zakame | seb128_: ping, about hardware-monitor, could I loosen the b-d on libgtop2-dev? sispoty asked me about it.. :) | 03:14 |
| slomo | infinity: i have liferea-mozilla installed | 03:14 |
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| slomo | infinity: http://pastebin.com/440905 | 03:16 |
| seb128_ | zakame: | 03:16 |
| seb128_ | $ grep libgtop configure.ac libgtop-2.0 >= 2.6.0) | 03:16 |
| seb128_ | zakame: it does Depends on it | 03:16 |
| dholbach | slomo, infinity: there's a new upstream version it seems | 03:17 |
| slomo | infinity, seb128: i put it on my todo list then... | 03:17 |
| infinity | sivang : It doesn't crash constantly? | 03:17 |
| slomo | dholbach: doesn't fix it, doesn't compile against ff 1.5 | 03:17 |
| dholbach | nice :) | 03:17 |
| slomo | dholbach: and cvs is completely outdated ;) | 03:18 |
| dholbach | i thought so, the ChangeLog looked weird | 03:18 |
| sivang | infinity: this is un-fu$#%$# beliveable, it's been running for 30 minutes now and the minue I said it doesn't creash, it crashed . phew | 03:18 |
| sivang | infinity: and I 've been switching channel, reading my feeds as usual.. | 03:18 |
| zakame | seb128_: ok, thanks :D | 03:18 |
| === infinity bows. | ||
| slomo | sivang: hehe, sometimes it works some time, sometimes it crashes instantly ;) | 03:18 |
| === sivang claps | ||
| seb128_ | zakame: why do you want to drop the b-d ? | 03:19 |
| sivang | slomo: so, you have a backtrace of that or is it not really needed with --debug-all ? | 03:19 |
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| slomo | sivang: backtrace for the crash? yes, there is one in malone... but i first want to try a rebuild (and need to fix the firefox backend for that...)... maybe the gtkhtml crash is caused by newer gtkhtml2... | 03:20 |
| zakame | seb128_: no, not dropping the b-d, but relaxing it... your last merge set it to >= 2.9.0, and sispoty noted it | 03:21 |
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| Kamion | ok, so gfxboot is infeasible for now, and we can't display all native language names in normal syslinux on the console | 03:21 |
| Kamion | maybe I should just use the simple menu system and display English names for each language | 03:22 |
| seb128_ | zakame: that's to build with the new version of the lib after a soname change probably | 03:22 |
| zakame | gfxboot? is that what frans pop announced? | 03:22 |
| Kamion | zakame: no | 03:22 |
| seb128_ | zakame: it can probably be synced from Debian | 03:22 |
| infinity | Riddell : Your new cdbs upload build-deps on sometihng from universe (db2latex-xsl) | 03:23 |
| zakame | seb128: ah, ok I'll try rebuilding the debian source to verify, then prolly mark sync | 03:23 |
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| infinity | Kamion : Infeasible, just due to the size and hair-factor of the patch? | 03:24 |
| Kamion | infinity: right | 03:24 |
| Kamion | I've mailed the SuSE guys asking for help | 03:24 |
| Kamion | but I think for the moment we have to operate on the assumption that we won't get it | 03:25 |
| infinity | What was the appeal?... Just getting the language selection in early enough to internationalise the syslinux help text? | 03:27 |
| infinity | slomo : Odd, both modules load for me, and I'm completely up to date. | 03:29 |
| slomo | infinity: do you have mozilla installed? maybe this is used... but actually i got it to compile with an ugly hack now... let's see if it works ;) | 03:30 |
| pitti | carlos: ping | 03:30 |
| carlos | pitti, pong | 03:30 |
| Riddell | infinity: oh foo, thanks for pointing that out | 03:30 |
| pitti | carlos: I need to update the language packs around tomorrow, to include locales in them | 03:31 |
| pitti | carlos: what's the status of Rosetta? | 03:31 |
| pitti | carlos: if necessary, I use just buildd output | 03:31 |
| carlos | pitti, no way I can provide you an update with that sort time | 03:31 |
| pitti | carlos: but maybe we can combine this with anouther rosetta test | 03:31 |
| slomo | infinity: yes works... i'll upload it in some minutes... can you tell me if it works for you too? | 03:31 |
| pitti | carlos: ok, fine for me | 03:31 |
| infinity | slomo : Hrm, no, no mozilla, but oddly enough, thunderbird also provides xpcom.so and libgtkembedmoz.so, I wonder if liferea is being exceedingly clever and hunting out that copy. | 03:31 |
| slomo | infinity: no idea... but please report back if the version i upload still works for you or if i've broken it for you... and if the gtkhtml backend is still unstable for you ;) | 03:36 |
| Kamion | infinity: oh, wow, the SuSE guy replied immediately saying he was nearly done with the port | 03:37 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: What does gfxboot do? | 03:38 |
| Kamion | mjg59: VESA graphical menu in syslinux | 03:38 |
| mjg59 | Oh, right | 03:39 |
| mjg59 | Nifty | 03:39 |
| Kamion | Fabian has a patch to make it fall back to text mode in some cases, which we may be able to abuse to make it not break on machines without working VESA | 03:39 |
| mjg59 | Cool | 03:39 |
| mjg59 | Oh, I've hacked up support for freezing framebuffers over suspend/resume | 03:40 |
| mjg59 | So far, vesafb still doesn't survive | 03:40 |
| mjg59 | I'm investigating further | 03:40 |
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| mjg59 | Kamion: What's the udeb name for the partitioner? | 03:42 |
| Kamion | mjg59: it's made up of several udebs: partman-* | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | Kamion: What source package do they come from? | 03:43 |
| Mithrandir | partman-* | 03:43 |
| mjg59 | Oh. Heh. | 03:43 |
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| mjg59 | I keep getting confused by source packages not showing up in apt-cache search | 03:45 |
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| slomo | hm, does someone know why debian has libmysqlclient15-dev but we only have libmysqlclient14-dev? will we get mysql 5.0 later or is it safe to b-d on 14? | 04:05 |
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| pitti | is it legitime for a package to ship files in /var/lib? | 04:12 |
| Mithrandir | why shouldn't it be? | 04:13 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: dunno, it's pretty unusual | 04:14 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: I would like to ship /var/lib/locales/supported.d/<lang> in language-pack-<lang> | 04:14 |
| jbailey | pitti: grep "/var" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list | 04:15 |
| jbailey | shows a reasonable number of them. | 04:15 |
| pitti | jbailey: I did exactly that | 04:15 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d files are fairly common? | 04:15 |
| pitti | jbailey: most of the stuff are directories, but some files are there, too | 04:15 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: actually not (that would be wrong), but tetex uses it heavily | 04:15 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: ispell dictionaries are defined there too, it seems. | 04:16 |
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| pitti | ok, thanks guys | 04:16 |
| pitti | seems like it is not totally unreasonable then | 04:16 |
| jbailey | pitti: Does it still look good time-wise? I can aim to have the new glibc uploaded end of dayish here with the updated localegen. | 04:17 |
| jbailey | pitti: Or do you want me to wait until the new locales package is uploaded and then I'll drop it. | 04:17 |
| pitti | jbailey: I think with some luck I can get test packages today | 04:18 |
| pitti | jbailey: I think you should drop glibc's locale package later | 04:18 |
| jbailey | pitti: Nice! | 04:18 |
| pitti | jbailey: first, this will give us a more realistic upgrade test, second it shouldn't hurt | 04:18 |
| jbailey | Right. And that way the new binary is there for you to use. | 04:18 |
| pitti | jbailey: however, I might need the updated gettext code from belocs | 04:19 |
| jbailey | pitti: Shall we sync up in a couple of hours and see? | 04:19 |
| pitti | yes | 04:19 |
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| pitti | jbailey: do we actually need the locale-gen modification? | 04:21 |
| jbailey | The spec says to do it, and I think they did some tests at UBZ. | 04:21 |
| pitti | jbailey: per-language generation could also be done by {install,remove}-language-lcoales | 04:21 |
| jbailey | Of course, the person who'd know best just left ;) | 04:21 |
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| Lathiat | stub: sorry :) | 04:22 |
| pitti | jbailey: I can't just completely remove the scripts since unfortunately the langpack postrm's call remove-l-l without checking for its existance | 04:22 |
| pitti | jbailey: so installing the old language pack with the new locales package would just break | 04:23 |
| pitti | jbailey: oh wait, nevermind; locale-gen needs the parameter anyway | 04:23 |
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| ogra | Riddell, any idea what happened to kmessedwords ? it seems not to be in kdeedu anymore ... | 04:31 |
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| apokryphos | ogra: its name was changed to Kanagram | 04:33 |
| ogra | oh | 04:33 |
| Riddell | ogra: now called kanagram | 04:33 |
| ogra | thanks | 04:33 |
| Riddell | which is, in my humble opinion, not an improvement in the name | 04:34 |
| HiddenWolf | Riddell, fork it. ;) | 04:34 |
| zakame | err, where's gccmakedep? mas calls it, but its nowhere to be found :( | 04:34 |
| ogra | is mdz already around ? | 04:35 |
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| jbailey | BenC: Hey! | 04:37 |
| BenC | hey | 04:37 |
| jbailey | BenC: I remember that you looked at locale-gen for LocalesThatDontSuck | 04:37 |
| jbailey | BenC: pitti and I are implementing pieces of it now. Do you remember off hand what the differences were between the glibc and belocs versions? | 04:38 |
| BenC | jbailey: I guarantee a build of powerpc64 for -5.7 :) | 04:38 |
| BenC | jbailey: off hand, no | 04:38 |
| jbailey | BenC: Nice! That's not a guarnatee that it runs, is it? =) | 04:38 |
| BenC | no, can't guarantee that until I get the G5 running myself :) | 04:39 |
| Diziet | Hmm. What was the difficulty with gcc4 on sparc in Breezy ? | 04:39 |
| BenC | jbailey: there shouldn't be much difference, if any though | 04:39 |
| Diziet | fabbione: ping | 04:39 |
| BenC | Diziet: it was bi-arch support being broken | 04:39 |
| jbailey | Diziet: Seems to work fine. You thinking of something in particular? | 04:39 |
| BenC | but I think it's fixed now | 04:39 |
| Diziet | Fabbione patched gs-gpl to build with 3.4 on sparc. The question is whether to keep this patch. The changelog doesn't say why he did it, just that he did. | 04:40 |
| jbailey | Diziet: The only issue I had was symbol confusion in libcgcc for gcc-3.4 and 4.0 when buliding klibc. | 04:40 |
| BenC | I have a breezy sparc machine with gcc4 running just fine (and building kernels) | 04:40 |
| BenC | ah, not sure | 04:41 |
| jbailey | Diziet: Probably best to check the build log. | 04:41 |
| jbailey | http://bld-3.mmjgroup.com/buildLogs/ has them for hppa and sparc. | 04:41 |
| Diziet | sparc-linux-gnu-gcc -DHAVE_MKSTEMP -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wmissing-prototypes -Wcast-qual -Wwrite-strings -fno-builtin -fno-common -DGX_COLOR_INDEX_TYPE="unsigned long long" -Wall -g -O2 -I./src -I./obj -I./obj -I./src -o ./obj/zcsdevn.o -c ./src/zcsdevn.ccc1: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault | 04:43 |
| Diziet | Before he switched it to gcc3.4 | 04:43 |
| Diziet | So I suppose I'll revert the patch and see if it builds now :-). | 04:43 |
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| ogra | HRM | 04:46 |
| ogra | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/seeds/dapper | 04:46 |
| ogra | Kamion, ^^^ any idea ? | 04:46 |
| ogra | i get that for push as well as for pull | 04:46 |
| pitti | hm, the dir looks good... | 04:47 |
| ogra | yes, i just checked by ssh | 04:47 |
| pitti | ogra: 'not a branch' is a very generic error message (that needs improvement); does ssh work? | 04:47 |
| ogra | yup | 04:47 |
| pitti | $ sftp sftp://pitti@chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/seeds/dapper | 04:48 |
| pitti | Connecting to chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/seeds/dapper... | 04:48 |
| pitti | ssh: chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/seeds/dapper: Name or service not known | 04:48 |
| pitti | hmmm | 04:48 |
| ogra | sftp breakage in ssh ? | 04:48 |
| pitti | no idea if sftp is supposed to work with that argument | 04:49 |
| ogra | bzr pull sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/seeds/dapper | 04:49 |
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| ogra | should work at least | 04:49 |
| pitti | ogra: try bzr branch chinstrap.ubuntu.com:/home/warthogs... | 04:51 |
| pitti | ogra: add the ':' and remove sftp:// ? that works for sftp | 04:51 |
| ogra | oh thats new ... | 04:51 |
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| ogra | ogra@honk:~/seeds/edubuntu/dapper $ bzr branch chinstrap.ubuntu.com:/home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/seeds/dapper | 04:52 |
| ogra | bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: /home/ogra/seeds/edubuntu/dapper/chinstrap.ubuntu.com:/home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/seeds/dapper | 04:52 |
| ogra | nope | 04:52 |
| Kamion | pitti: sftp doesn't understand URLs | 04:52 |
| pitti | that looks weird | 04:52 |
| ogra | it somehow concats the path... | 04:52 |
| Kamion | that's just using a relative path on the local filesystem | 04:53 |
| ogra | ah, yes | 04:53 |
| Kamion | ogra: 'cat .bzr/parent' in your branch, please? | 04:53 |
| ogra | sftp://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/seeds/dapper | 04:53 |
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| Kamion | pull works fine for me with the same branch (though I'm using jamesh's openssh-sftp plugin) | 04:54 |
| Diziet | Woohoo! gs-esp is up to 8.15 in Debian! No more ancient 7.x crack! | 04:54 |
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| ogra | neithe pull nor push works here ... | 04:55 |
| ogra | Kamion, there are also a lot of ~ files in the /home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/seeds/dapper dir ... is that normal ? | 04:56 |
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| mhz | hi all | 04:57 |
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| mhz | mako: ping? | 04:59 |
| Kamion | ogra: yes, harmless | 05:01 |
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| ogra | hmm... not even bzr get works ... | 05:02 |
| ogra | i just wiped my local branch and try to get it new .... | 05:02 |
| Kamion | 'ssh chinstrap.ubuntu.com' - do you get any messages like the host key having changed? | 05:03 |
| ogra | nope | 05:03 |
| ogra | works flawless | 05:03 |
| ogra | hmm, bzr get with http works ... | 05:04 |
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| Diziet | Hrm, if I do as it says in the m-o-m report, the upload confirmation goes to Scott. Isn't that a bit odd ? | 05:05 |
| Kamion | that's no longer the case for current MOM-generated packages | 05:06 |
| Kamion | (it uses mom@ubuntu.com in the changelog which the archive will reject until you set it to a real person; I don't know if the instructions have been fixed though) | 05:07 |
| Diziet | This one was generated on 2005-11-08. Before it was fixed ? | 05:07 |
| Kamion | Indeed. | 05:07 |
| Diziet | Ah, right. | 05:07 |
| Diziet | Well, um, this one is going out with Scott's name on it. I'll fix it for the next one :-). | 05:07 |
| Kamion | This is why several of Scott's recent uploads have had "(really me!)" in the changelog. :-) | 05:09 |
| Diziet | *grin* | 05:09 |
| ogra | ah, i was already wondering :) | 05:09 |
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| ogra | Kamion, err, did you rename the branch recently ? | 05:13 |
| ogra | Kamion, i had edubuntu/dapper from my last checkot, now i got edubuntu-dapper | 05:13 |
| ogra | *checkout | 05:13 |
| \sh | Diziet: dch -a can help with mom...that's the first one I do ... and remove the extra asterisk ;) | 05:14 |
| \sh | and I'm quite surprised, that we have now a webinterface for this stupid exchange outlook thing. | 05:14 |
| \sh | and everything without vpn or tsystem dialin | 05:15 |
| ogra | ah, there is a difference between the sftp and http naming schemes ... | 05:15 |
| ogra | and now that i installed openssh-sftp.py it seems to work with push .... hmm | 05:16 |
| Kamion | ogra: no, I didn't rename it | 05:17 |
| ogra | Kamion, see above ... i did my last checkout with sftp ... http seems to use edubuntu-dapper instead ... | 05:17 |
| Kamion | indeed | 05:17 |
| Kamion | it's always been that way | 05:17 |
| ogra | i didnt use http before ... | 05:18 |
| Kamion | at least if you use http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/seeds/, and they have to be named that way because germinate relies on it | 05:18 |
| ogra | hmm, the push looks like it will time out ... | 05:18 |
| Kamion | if you use http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/seeds.ubuntu.com/, that has the same layout as on chinstrap | 05:18 |
| ogra | ah | 05:18 |
| ogra | but that doesnt help for push :/ | 05:19 |
| Kamion | /~cjwatson/seeds/ is only a checkoutable mirror by accident due to the way bzr works | 05:19 |
| Kamion | try current daily bzr | 05:19 |
| ogra | i use it ... | 05:19 |
| ogra | upgarded 2h ago | 05:19 |
| Kamion | try 0.6.2 then :-) | 05:19 |
| ogra | heh | 05:19 |
| ogra | Kamion, btw, do you do main promotions currently ? i'd like to get libkdeedu3 promoted to unbreak the edubuntu CD, it was renamed from libkdeedu1 | 05:20 |
| ogra | seems mdz isnt around to do it | 05:21 |
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| Kamion | yes, I do | 05:26 |
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| ogra | anything needed from my side ? | 05:27 |
| Kamion | no, done | 05:28 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 05:28 |
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| ogra | 1 revision(s) pushed. | 05:29 |
| ogra | yippiiie | 05:29 |
| ogra | 15min to push a one line change ... weird ... | 05:29 |
| \sh | ogra: bzr is not fast :) | 05:30 |
| ogra | sftp isnt ... | 05:30 |
| Kamion | it takes much less time than that for me | 05:30 |
| \sh | but it just works (tm) | 05:30 |
| Kamion | it *used* to take that much time, but I fixed something; unfortunately I no longer remember what :( | 05:30 |
| ogra | i think about maintaining my seeds directly in chinstrap ... pull and get is way faster | 05:30 |
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| Diziet | Is it legit to dpkg-source -x the thing from mom, do a test build and edit the changelog, and then dpkg-buildpackage it in the usual way ? | 05:30 |
| pitti | ogra: that's what I do | 05:30 |
| \sh | Diziet: yes | 05:31 |
| Kamion | as I say it only takes some seconds to push here | 05:31 |
| pitti | Diziet: as opposed to? | 05:31 |
| Diziet | \sh: Good. | 05:31 |
| ogra | i like the redundancy for safety ... | 05:31 |
| Kamion | Diziet: yes, just keep an eye on *-dropped.patch | 05:31 |
| Diziet | The README has a strange recipe involving signing the .dsc without rebuilding and running dpkg-genchanges separately. | 05:31 |
| Kamion | *.patch for that matter | 05:31 |
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| pitti | ogra: oh, I don't directly edit the /warthogs dir; I have my own checkout in ~ | 05:31 |
| Diziet | kamion: Right, yes, I mean, supposing that that's what you want to do. | 05:31 |
| ogra | ah | 05:31 |
| ogra | that'd be an option ... | 05:32 |
| \sh | Diziet: i run debuild with the data from the report..which is for me much better using a pbuilder. | 05:32 |
| Kamion | good, *please* don't work in /home/warthogs/archives/seeds.ubuntu.com/ directly! | 05:32 |
| pitti | lord, no | 05:32 |
| Kamion | it will break and I'll have to come round to your house for a quiet word | 05:32 |
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| ogra | so guys ... if you ever want to invite Kamion indirectly, you know what to do :) | 05:33 |
| \sh | Kamion: please tell me if you visit ogra in his house...I come to his house, too, and we can have a nice sit in :) chat, food and some drinks...it's nice there btw | 05:34 |
| \sh | ogra: break it now ,) | 05:34 |
| ogra | lol... nope, i wont ... else my CD builds might suddely stop or something :) | 05:35 |
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| jdon1 | elmo: a few quick questions about the Backports infrastructure | 05:35 |
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| ogra | hmm, apropos CD builds ... | 05:36 |
| ogra | ENOLAMONT | 05:37 |
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| jdong | damn ISP.... | 05:37 |
| jdong | elmo: got a question about specific versions for backporting.... | 05:37 |
| jdong | I'm toying with the idea of bringing back the staging (i.e. beta testing) branch.... | 05:37 |
| jdong | but it would be useless if Dapper keeps on getting newer versions through the testing process | 05:38 |
| jdong | so is it possible for me to specify a specific version that is backported? | 05:38 |
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| Diziet | If I get an FTBFS on spartc from these gs uploads, will anything/anyone tell me about it ? Or do I have to poll a webpage (urgh) | 05:42 |
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| Kamion | Diziet: the buildd admin (Fabio) will complain eventually | 05:43 |
| ogra | Diziet, fabbione might poke you about it i guess | 05:44 |
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| Diziet | Right. Well, we'll see I suppose ... | 05:51 |
| Diziet | Kamion: Would you like me to take a merge or two off your hands ? | 05:51 |
| zyga | hey guys | 05:52 |
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| zyga | crappy it job sucks really hard :/ | 05:52 |
| fevoldj2 | Hi, I've a problem with the uninstallation of webmin. You may check here for the details. http://pastebin.com/441065 | 05:53 |
| dholbach | fevoldj2: it might be better to file this as a bug report | 05:53 |
| dholbach | fevoldj2: http://launchpad.net/malone | 05:53 |
| fevoldj2 | Okay | 05:53 |
| dholbach | fevoldj2: thanks | 05:54 |
| Kamion | Diziet: mm, normally I'd say yes, but I think all of mine involve really hairy .po file merging, which I have the tools (or at least finger-macros) for | 05:54 |
| Diziet | OK. | 05:55 |
| Kamion | well, except for yaboot, but that's insultingly trivial - doing it now | 05:55 |
| Diziet | Well, I suppose I'll have to stop displacing and do the mozilla one then ... | 05:55 |
| fevoldj2 | Hmm looks like I cannot file a bug report | 05:56 |
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| Diziet | Damn, forgot -sa. | 06:00 |
| \sh | Diziet: your first time? | 06:01 |
| Diziet | First time forgetting -sa ? No, I keep doing it. | 06:04 |
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| \sh | Diziet: no merging | 06:07 |
| Diziet | Ah, yes, if you don't count firefox which was something of a special case. | 06:08 |
| \sh | Diziet: if you want..universe has 200 packages left for practicing :) | 06:09 |
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| Diziet | \sh: Err, thanks. I'll let you know if I get that desperate. | 06:14 |
| \sh | Diziet: sounds like you're a married man who has other hobbies ;) | 06:15 |
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| Diziet | Oh, I see, mom has picked a version number which is not more recent than the version in the archive. | 06:17 |
| Diziet | hobbies> Just decided to learn Common Lisp, because I got too fed up with Python. | 06:18 |
| dholbach | might the bug be a bit older? (and mom was turned off for a while now) | 06:18 |
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| Diziet | dh: I think that's the case, yes. | 06:19 |
| Diziet | It had me confused for a bit, wondering whether the merge had already been done. But it seems not so I shall get on with it. | 06:20 |
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| \sh | Diziet: if you're ready to speak common lisp, please write a small emacs elisp util to merge automagically all universe merges. Just with a M-x merge gambas_1.0.12-1ubuntu1.dsc || gambas_1.0.12-1.dsc | 06:22 |
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| Kamion | we don't have any esperantists here, do we? (long shot) | 06:23 |
| Kamion | asking here because I want to know how to conjugate "Ubuntu" in Esperanto. :-) | 06:23 |
| \sh | Kamion: Good Better Ubuntu | 06:23 |
| Kamion | I do actually have a serious use for this so would prefer serious answers | 06:24 |
| ogra | \sh, and now in esperanto | 06:24 |
| dholbach | Kamion: the reporter of #17259 might know | 06:24 |
| mhz_lunch | mako: ping | 06:24 |
| \sh | ogra: my grandfather spoke esperanto...I just refused to learn it | 06:24 |
| Kamion | dholbach: thanks, I've mailed him | 06:27 |
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| Lord_Athur | hi | 06:28 |
| Lord_Athur | this must be the channel of the edubuntu developers | 06:28 |
| Lord_Athur | :P | 06:28 |
| dholbach | Kamion: de rien :) | 06:28 |
| mdke | Lord_Athur, #edubuntu | 06:28 |
| ogra | Lord_Athur, nope | 06:28 |
| dholbach | Lord_Athur: #edubuntu? :) | 06:28 |
| Lord_Athur | 06:28 | |
| Lord_Athur | ok | 06:28 |
| Lord_Athur | thanks | 06:28 |
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| mhz_lunch | ogra: he's very new to IRC and ...Buntu stuff. He's coming from M$ | 06:31 |
| mhz_lunch | :) | 06:31 |
| ogra | mhz_lunch, i wasnt complaining, but i would have thought he realized that edubuntu development is going on in #edubuntu :) | 06:32 |
| mhz_lunch | hehehe, indeed | 06:32 |
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| mhz_lunch | I thought it is his M$ training | 06:33 |
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| mhz_lunch | ogra: in fact, he just did a 'dir' | 06:34 |
| mhz_lunch | inside .Trash | 06:34 |
| ogra | yup, saw it | 06:34 |
| mhz_lunch | hehe | 06:34 |
| lbm | mvo: around? | 06:35 |
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| pitti | jbailey: I would version my locales package 2.3.6, unless you plan to upload a glibc 2.3.6 with a locales package? | 06:38 |
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| jbailey | pitti: Nope. 2.3.6 I'd like to definetly not have it/ | 06:39 |
| pitti | jbailey: ok, then 2.3.6 is fine for now, in case we would like to supersede it with glibc in the future? ;) | 06:40 |
| jbailey | Right. =) | 06:40 |
| pitti | jbailey: ok, my toy example worked now; I imported locales into langpack-o-matic, it generates packages, the debs have /var/lib/locales/supported.d/lang and /usr/share/i18n/locales/* | 06:40 |
| mvo | lbm: yes | 06:41 |
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| lbm | mvo: about launchpad-integration, do you develop in your baz archive? | 06:42 |
| mvo | lbm: I have a baz archive of it, yes. I keep it up-to-date with the packages | 06:43 |
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| lbm | mvo: i just need to know which source to translate | 06:44 |
| mdke | dholbach, fancy building an ubuntu-docs package with the current svn trunk? I've added some things I'd quite like to test out. I can test it on my dapper because yelp works fine. | 06:44 |
| dholbach | wow | 06:45 |
| dholbach | will try | 06:45 |
| mdke | danke | 06:45 |
| lbm | mvo: but i can't see any danish translation in the sources, but the two launchpad entries in most gnome applications are translated in breezy | 06:45 |
| seb128 | mdke: how did you get yelp working fine? | 06:45 |
| mdke | seb128, i didn't upgrade firefox | 06:45 |
| mdke | i think | 06:46 |
| seb128 | k | 06:46 |
| mdke | it was kept back even from a dist-upgrade | 06:46 |
| mvo | lbm: they are probably translated via rosetta (lauchpad.net) | 06:46 |
| seb128 | so it's not dapper, but outdated dapper :) | 06:46 |
| mdke | seb128, i dunno, the dist-upgrade just kept firefox back automatically | 06:46 |
| \sh | thx gambas..now I need to patch you to hell... | 06:47 |
| \sh | thix I'll do tomorrow.. | 06:47 |
| lbm | mvo: i was around rosetta, but i can't find any launchpad related projects | 06:47 |
| jbailey | pitti: Nice! | 06:48 |
| mvo | lbm: try https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/breezy/+sources/launchpad-integration/+translate | 06:48 |
| mvo | lbm: unfortunately it's not always easy to find the stuff :/ | 06:49 |
| lbm | mvo: i agree! | 06:50 |
| lbm | mvo: do you prefer rosetta or po's? | 06:50 |
| zyga | mvo: carlos knows about that ;-) | 06:50 |
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| mvo | lbm: I don't mind, rosetta is easier because it's fully automatic, I don't have to do anything :) | 06:51 |
| jdong | grr, why's Sun Java so RAM hungry? | 06:51 |
| jdong | the FF Java plugin is chewing up 240MB RAM right now... | 06:51 |
| ogra | ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser | 06:51 |
| ogra | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 2005-04-11 00:20 /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser -> /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox | 06:51 |
| ogra | sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser | 06:51 |
| ogra | There is only 1 program which provides x-www-browser | 06:51 |
| ogra | (/usr/bin/firefox). Nothing to configure. | 06:51 |
| ogra | Diziet, ^^^ | 06:51 |
| ogra | is that a bug in the new firefox package ? | 06:51 |
| lbm | mvo: :) | 06:52 |
| lbm | mvo: that's odd, no strings translated in breezy through rosetta | 06:56 |
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| aedes | shouldn't the login screen be translated according to the currently selected lang? | 07:00 |
| Kamion | gah, why does msggrep not have a -v option, like grep? | 07:00 |
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| Diziet | ogra: Yes, that's a known bug in the current package. | 07:05 |
| lbm | mvo: most applications' launchpad entries aren't translated, but the one i noticed was gnome volume control from gnome-media which have the launchpad entries translated, very odd | 07:05 |
| ogra | Diziet, ok | 07:05 |
| ogra | thanks | 07:05 |
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| mvo | lbm: hm, that's really interessting | 07:07 |
| Kamion | wow, it's surprising when you cvs checkout a random piece of software and find your name in the THANKS ffile | 07:07 |
| Kamion | file | 07:07 |
| lbm | mvo: very | 07:08 |
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| mhz | mako: ping | 07:09 |
| lbm | mvo: if i msgunfmt gnome-media-2.0.mo from the danish langpack i see the translated strings, but how did they get there? | 07:09 |
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| thierry | is there a open-office channel or something like it? | 07:17 |
| trevilor | thierry, /list *office* | 07:17 |
| thierry | trevilor : no nothing... I would have liked to talk with some dev guys of open-office... | 07:19 |
| Riddell | jbailey: well I've found the problem line, I've no idea why it fails when the others don't http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/c/cdbs/0.4.32ubuntu4/cdbs_0.4.32ubuntu4_20051128-1744-i386-failed.gz | 07:19 |
| zul | thierry: they probably have some info on their website on how to contact them but not this channel | 07:20 |
| crimsun | seb128: Would you please fire off a rebuild of easytag in Sid so that it can be synced into Dapper to make it installable? (Should I file a wishlist bug against it in BTS?) | 07:20 |
| thierry | zul : yeah sorry | 07:20 |
| seb128 | crimsun: cpp allocator changes? | 07:21 |
| crimsun | seb128: just libid3-3.8.3c2 being replaced by libid3-3.8.3c2a | 07:21 |
| seb128 | crimsun: k, will do | 07:22 |
| crimsun | seb128: thanks! | 07:22 |
| seb128 | np | 07:24 |
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| mvo | lbm: thanks for your patch! I'll integrate it when I'm back from playing hockey | 07:37 |
| lbm | mvo: no problem, great play ;) | 07:40 |
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| crimsun | elmo: please sync monotone from Sid (ok to override Ubuntu changes) | 07:45 |
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| pitti | hey lamont | 07:49 |
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| wasabi_ | Nice. Dapper exploded. ;) | 08:01 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, ping | 08:01 |
| === ogra hands wasabi a mop and some soy sauce ... | ||
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| wasabi_ | Hmm. Icon theme broked. Mouse speed is super slow and I can't change it. | 08:02 |
| wasabi_ | Somehow my second monitor stopped working heh. | 08:03 |
| slomo_ | seb128: want a patch for the liferea problem? seems to be in gtkhtml2... with this patch applied i don't get the crash anymore: http://bugs.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=318192 | 08:11 |
| slomo_ | seb128: well, at least it seems to fix one of the (at least) two different crashes i can get here | 08:14 |
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| seb128 | HiddenWolf, slomo_: pong | 08:23 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, rhythmbox hasn't built yet. :( | 08:23 |
| HiddenWolf | is it ok? | 08:23 |
| fabbione | Diziet: if the FTBFS on sparc, don't worry.. i will heavily bitch about it :P | 08:23 |
| slomo_ | seb128: i gave the patch to my brother who tests it now ;) maybe it's just here where it solves one of the problems... just to be sure | 08:23 |
| seb128 | HiddenWolf: it'll probably not build for some days, libgpod has some issue to solve before beeing promoted | 08:24 |
| HiddenWolf | seb128, you just made me cry. | 08:24 |
| seb128 | slomo_: it's the gtkhtml variant, doesn't fix the firefox1.5 issue, right? | 08:24 |
| slomo_ | seb128: firefox issue is already fixed by me... it's an ugly hack atm but it works | 08:24 |
| seb128 | k | 08:24 |
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| fabbione | Diziet: anyway.. just kidding.. don't worry. if FTBFS i will send you the log | 08:27 |
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| elmo | siretart: ? | 08:42 |
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| slomo_ | elmo: thanks for syncing :) | 08:49 |
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| zyga | oh is there any policy about backporting 1.5 for breezy? | 08:51 |
| slomo_ | zyga: don't do it... or backport all gecko-depending stuff too when everything is fixed in dapper | 08:53 |
| sivang | mmm, epiphany broken again due to moz-embed | 08:53 |
| slomo_ | sivang: hm, works here? | 08:54 |
| sivang | slomo_: ah sorry, seems to be a system out of sync problem. I was sure it was on latest updates | 08:55 |
| sivang | slomo_: ah, connection was lagging too much, had to switch to a proxy | 08:57 |
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| mhz_design | mako: ping | 09:16 |
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| Alinux | hello, I'm searching for pitti ... is he on-line? | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | Alinux: probably, since his IRC client is here. | 09:22 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: ^^ | 09:22 |
| Alinux | ah | 09:23 |
| Alinux | mmm but no response in private message :/ | 09:23 |
| azeem | Alinux: you are not identified, freenode blocks your /msg | 09:25 |
| Alinux | mmm | 09:25 |
| Alinux | Alinux is my nickname but someone has stolen it from me... | 09:25 |
| Alinux | and I don't want another nicknames :( | 09:25 |
| sivang | Alinux: you can address him in here as well | 09:26 |
| sivang | (unless it's top secret) | 09:26 |
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| pitti | Alinux: in some minutes, still at phone | 09:29 |
| slomo_ | seb128: ok, i've really tracked it down now... after downgrading pango to 1.10.* it works without all problems ;) | 09:29 |
| Alinux | :) pitti no problems bro... don't you worry | 09:29 |
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| dieman | lost my sound! | 09:30 |
| dieman | damn intel hd audio | 09:30 |
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| pitti | AlinuxOS: I did not get any /msg from you, are you registered? | 09:37 |
| pitti | AlinuxOS: I'm back now | 09:38 |
| AlinuxOS | pitti, :) registered | 09:38 |
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| \sh | elmo: thx for the syncs.. | 09:49 |
| slomo_ | lamont, infinity: please give-back kaffe on ia64 | 09:50 |
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| ogra | 2005-11-28 21:48:33 1EgpvM-0006hb-00 ** tfheen@grawert.com: unknown local-part "tfheen" in domain "grawert.com" | 09:50 |
| ogra | Mithrandir, ^^^ :) | 09:50 |
| ogra | funny :) | 09:51 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 09:51 |
| Mithrandir | don't forward it to me. :-) | 09:51 |
| ogra | i wont :) | 09:51 |
| ogra | but i really start to think about upgrading my MTA from exim 3.35 | 09:52 |
| StevenK | I jumped to Exim 4. It's *wonderful*. | 09:52 |
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| Mithrandir | most stuff is wonderful after coming out of the cave for the first time. | 09:52 |
| dholbach | good night, everybody | 09:52 |
| ogra | i have some very specially tweaked setuos running there for some subdomains ... | 09:52 |
| pitti | night dholbach | 09:53 |
| dholbach | night pitti | 09:53 |
| ogra | and i just dont have the time to rewrite all this stuff for exim4, else i'd have switched already | 09:53 |
| pitti | ogra: I finally gave up with exim4 when I tried to find out how to do ssmtp-ssl with it | 09:53 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: cert-based relaying is really simple | 09:53 |
| Mithrandir | IME | 09:53 |
| ogra | i dont even want this nifty stuff like smtp-ssl.... | 09:54 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: that's what I do right now, both ssl certs and pam | 09:54 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: certs for me (local postfix), and ssl-pam for my flatmate (tbird) | 09:54 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: tbird does certs just fine, you know that? | 09:54 |
| pitti | ogra: it's sweeeet when you use a local MTA on you laptop | 09:54 |
| pitti | Mithrandir: actually not, but good to know | 09:54 |
| ogra | i dont want this either :) | 09:54 |
| ogra | i'm fine with a simple smtp auth driven mailserver on the net ... | 09:55 |
| Mithrandir | pitti: it's a bit of work to get the certs into tbird, iirc, but once you have that, it works just fine. | 09:55 |
| pitti | ogra: but you don't want auth withouth SSL, I guess... | 09:55 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: do you have a clue about firefird2 on amd64? | 09:56 |
| Mithrandir | \sh: firebird as in the database? No, not really. What's up with it? | 09:56 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: i'm missing it as build-dep :) firebird2-dev but I'll find it | 09:57 |
| \sh | Mithrandir: amd64/ppc | 09:57 |
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| \sh | aha...2005-11-19 firebird2... | 09:57 |
| ogra | pitti, the setup is fine as is ... all i want is to bounce back the unknown local-part crap .... | 09:58 |
| pitti | ogra: yes, mapping is fun with exim, too :) | 09:58 |
| \sh | how nice..it's only build on i386 | 09:58 |
| pitti | ogra: exim is very powerful, but I found it pretty cumbersome to configure | 09:58 |
| \sh | but why doesn't hk-classes doesn't know anything about this? | 09:59 |
| ogra | exactly .... thats why i didnt switch yet | 09:59 |
| \sh | pitti: i like the postfix way, after fighting several years with sendmail | 09:59 |
| \sh | ogra: where to bounce-back? | 09:59 |
| \sh | ogra: you actually don't know if the sender was originally sending it | 09:59 |
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| ogra | \sh, doesnt matter ... i just dont want the msg on my HD ... i also get 50 mails a day where someone abused one of my addresses ... | 10:00 |
| pitti | \sh: yes, me too | 10:01 |
| \sh | ogra: well...that's normal. that's why you should have 1 unknown email address (not public) and the for the others you have sh@sourcecode.de ,) | 10:01 |
| \sh | ogra: and spamassassin and amavisd-new | 10:02 |
| ogra | \sh, ok, i'll mail as sh@sourcecode.de in the future then ;) | 10:02 |
| \sh | ogra: well...i don't mind..seeing 800spam mails per day reaching me.......and >1000 mails running in my spambot | 10:03 |
| ogra | \sh, but i guess i'll rather use my own name... else mike hearn might go after me in a dark moonless night *g* | 10:06 |
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| \sh | ogra: rotfl | 10:06 |
| \sh | seb128: libgnomeui-dev has unmet deps? | 10:10 |
| slomo_ | seb128: ok, i've really tracked it down now... after downgrading pango to 1.10.* it works without all problems... the gtkhtml patch seems to make the crashes only less frequent... | 10:11 |
| seb128 | \sh: which one? | 10:12 |
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| seb128 | slomo_: do you have a debug backtrace of this crash? | 10:12 |
| \sh | libgnomeui-dev: Depends: libgnome2-dev (>= 2.6.0) but it is not going to be installed | 10:13 |
| \sh | Depends: libbonoboui2-dev (>= 2.8.1-2) but it is not going to be installed | 10:13 |
| \sh | Depends: libgnomevfs2-dev (>= 2.8.4-2) but it is not going to be installed | 10:13 |
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| \sh | seb128: on all main archs | 10:13 |
| seb128 | let me start a pbuilder | 10:13 |
| seb128 | what does install libgnomevfs... say? | 10:13 |
| slomo_ | seb128: many of two different crashes... on 2 archs... want them with all debugging packages (liferea, gtk, pango, glib, libgtkhtml2)? | 10:13 |
| \sh | seb128: hmm...in my chroot everything is fine... | 10:14 |
| \sh | libbonobo2-dev libgconf2-dev libgnomevfs2-dev libgnutls11-dev libidl-dev liborbit2-dev | 10:15 |
| seb128 | slomo_: pango debug is enough is the crash happens in pango | 10:15 |
| \sh | seb128: gnotime is the package which failes btw | 10:15 |
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| slomo_ | seb128: it doesn't happen in pango... it just doesn't show up if pango is downgraded to 1.10.*... the crashes happen in libc whose functions are called either by libxml2 or by gdk which is called by gtk | 10:17 |
| slomo_ | seb128: yes i know, this sounds unlikely... but i can give you the traces... and with older pango i can't reproduce it anymore ;) | 10:18 |
| seb128 | slomo_: that it happens with one pango and not another doesn't mean it's a pango bug | 10:19 |
| seb128 | slomo_: usually backtrace with gdk stuff are not revelant of the actual bug | 10:20 |
| seb128 | you may want to run valgrind on your app | 10:20 |
| slomo_ | ok, thanks... hm, any other debugging tips? | 10:20 |
| seb128 | nop | 10:21 |
| slomo_ | *sigh* ok... i'll tell you when i find something more concrete... | 10:21 |
| seb128 | what do you do to get the crash? | 10:22 |
| seb128 | let's try if I get it | 10:23 |
| slomo_ | i start it with the gtkhtml backend and switch through many different entries... it happens mostly with new ones but also with old ones | 10:23 |
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| sivang | slomo_: still working on lifera's crash ? | 10:23 |
| slomo_ | when opening a feed with many entries and pressing the cursor keys some time it will crash definitly for me | 10:24 |
| slomo_ | sivang: yes | 10:24 |
| slomo_ | seb128: there are currently two bugs open about this | 10:27 |
| slomo_ | 4917 and 5111 | 10:27 |
| Riddell | infinity (or lamont): could you give back kdesdk please | 10:30 |
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| wasabi_ | My gnome has become fairly broken with the last dapper update. Looking for the problem. Not able to find it. Icon themes don't load, and the theme manager is broken. | 10:33 |
| wasabi_ | Looks to do something with gconf. | 10:33 |
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| wasabi_ | gnome-theme-manager: The default theme schemas could not be found on your system. This means that you probably don't have metacity installed, or that your gconf is configured incorrectly. | 10:35 |
| sivang | wasabi_: seems that reloads of the gconf server and restarting client apps solved that stuff for me | 10:35 |
| wasabi_ | I remember reading about gconf changing in some way. | 10:35 |
| wasabi_ | Combining hte conf file hierarchy | 10:35 |
| wasabi_ | sivang: hasn't for me. | 10:36 |
| seb128 | wasabi_: is gconf working at all? did you restart gconfd-2 or your session? | 10:36 |
| wasabi_ | Yes. gconf is working fine. gconf-editor works. | 10:36 |
| ogra | wasabi_, tried another theme ? | 10:36 |
| wasabi_ | I restarted the comp "just in case" | 10:36 |
| wasabi_ | Can't open the theme manager. | 10:36 |
| ogra | with gconf editor ? | 10:36 |
| wasabi_ | good question, trying | 10:37 |
| wasabi_ | where's it at? /desktop/? | 10:37 |
| ogra | dunno from the top of my head | 10:37 |
| ogra | another suggestion would be to look if gnome-settings-daemon is running ... | 10:38 |
| wasabi_ | It is. | 10:38 |
| wasabi_ | That's what pushes the gconf changes to Gtk apps, right? | 10:38 |
| wasabi_ | (I've always been a bit unclear about gsd) | 10:38 |
| ogra | yup, its the layer inbetween | 10:38 |
| seb128 | no | 10:38 |
| \sh | infinity: do u know why firebird2 wasn't build on amd64, even if it's mentioned explicit in the the architecture lines of debian/control? | 10:38 |
| seb128 | g-s-d has nothing to do with gconf | 10:38 |
| \sh | or lamont even | 10:38 |
| sivang | slomo_: crashes for me with (liferea-bin:25680): Pango-CRITICAL **: pango_layout_line_ref: assertion `line != NULL' failed | 10:39 |
| seb128 | g-s-d does apply the xsettings from the gconf keys | 10:39 |
| wasabi_ | Oh, that's what I mean. | 10:39 |
| ogra | seb128, whatever, if it doesnt run you get no themes :) | 10:39 |
| seb128 | but your issue is not a xsettings one | 10:39 |
| seb128 | theme is /desktop/gnome/interface/gtk_theme | 10:40 |
| wasabi_ | key has no schema. | 10:40 |
| wasabi_ | According to gconf-editor. | 10:41 |
| seb128 | something is wrong with your gconf | 10:41 |
| sivang | ogra: maybe his g-s-d can't start at all / restart ? | 10:41 |
| wasabi_ | It is started. | 10:41 |
| seb128 | nothing to do with g-s-d (again) | 10:41 |
| ogra | sivang, nah, see seb128 | 10:41 |
| wasabi_ | Have gconf schemas changed? Are they no longer read directly from /usr/share/gconf/schemas? | 10:42 |
| wasabi_ | Ahh var lib | 10:42 |
| seb128 | they never was | 10:42 |
| seb128 | schemas are text file with default value | 10:42 |
| wasabi_ | /var/lib/gconf/defaults/* | 10:42 |
| wasabi_ | ? | 10:42 |
| seb128 | we use gconftool-2 to apply the values from the schemas | 10:43 |
| seb128 | /etc/gconf/2/path has the order | 10:43 |
| seb128 | /var/lib/gconf/defaults/%gconf-tree.xml should have the defaults now | 10:43 |
| wasabi_ | Should gtk_theme be listed in that file? | 10:44 |
| seb128 | because there is a default theme on the distro | 10:44 |
| seb128 | libgnome ships that schemas file | 10:44 |
| sivang | bah, bed time here :-( night all | 10:44 |
| wasabi_ | And postinst sums them up into /var/lib/gconf/defaults? | 10:45 |
| seb128 | and we use gconftool on the schema at installation to write the default | 10:45 |
| seb128 | correct | 10:45 |
| wasabi_ | So I would suspect the defalt gtk_theme value from /usr/share/gconf/schemas should be listed in /var/lib/gconf/defaults. | 10:45 |
| wasabi_ | If the postinst ran properly. | 10:45 |
| wasabi_ | It is not. | 10:45 |
| seb128 | what about /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults/%gconf-tree.xml ? | 10:47 |
| wasabi_ | Nope. Not listed. | 10:47 |
| seb128 | weird | 10:47 |
| seb128 | is that a new install or an update? | 10:47 |
| wasabi_ | Update. | 10:47 |
| wasabi_ | update-gconf-deaults should be called from the postinst of all gconf packages? | 10:48 |
| wasabi_ | err, packages shipping schemas, that is. | 10:48 |
| seb128 | sudo gconf-schemas /usr/share/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_interface.schemas | 10:48 |
| seb128 | try doing this | 10:48 |
| seb128 | no | 10:48 |
| wasabi_ | --register I assume. | 10:49 |
| seb128 | yep | 10:49 |
| \sh | hehehe | 10:49 |
| \sh | hahahah | 10:49 |
| seb128 | ? | 10:49 |
| wasabi_ | Still not there. | 10:49 |
| \sh | sorry..I'm just reading Mike Hearn | 10:49 |
| seb128 | strace it? :) | 10:49 |
| sivang | \sh: http://mikehearn.savetherhino.org/ ? | 10:50 |
| \sh | sivang: ubuntu-devel ml | 10:50 |
| elmo | Removing language-pack-en-base ... | 10:50 |
| elmo | Generating locales... en_GB.UTF-8... done | 10:50 |
| elmo | should it be generating stuff on removal? | 10:50 |
| wasabi_ | [pid 17284] execve("/usr/bin/gconftool-2", ["gconftool-2", "--makefile-install-rule", "/usr/share/gconf/schemas/desktop_gnome_interface.schemas"] , [/* 34 vars */] ) = 0 | 10:51 |
| sivang | \sh: re: wine pakcages? | 10:51 |
| \sh | sivang: yes | 10:51 |
| wasabi_ | seb, I assume if I remove %gconf-tree.xml that command should have regenerated it? :0 | 10:52 |
| sivang | \sh: that thread feels weird to me, dunnon why | 10:52 |
| seb128 | wasabi_: no | 10:53 |
| \sh | sivang: honestly, everything which has to do with windows or trying to build a new windows compatiblity framework is always a bit weired and strange | 10:53 |
| wasabi_ | Ahh. gtk_theme is now in /var/lib/gconf, but not in /etc/gconf/ | 10:54 |
| wasabi_ | And the theme manager runs now. | 10:54 |
| seb128 | cool | 10:55 |
| wasabi_ | So the question is why didn't that run properly during postinst. | 10:55 |
| seb128 | yeah, that's weird | 10:55 |
| wasabi_ | I have no packages marked unconfigured or broken. | 10:55 |
| seb128 | dpkg -l gconf\* ? | 10:55 |
| wasabi_ | ii gconf-editor 2.12.0-1ubuntu1 An editor for the GConf configuration system | 10:55 |
| wasabi_ | ii gconf2 2.12.1-4ubuntu1 GNOME configuration database system (support tools) | 10:55 |
| wasabi_ | ii gconf2-common 2.12.1-4ubuntu1 | 10:55 |
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| seb128 | wasabi_: it's fine ... | 10:56 |
| wasabi_ | I suspect my icon theme will work when g-s-d recycles. | 10:56 |
| wasabi_ | Anyway to do that without logging out? | 10:56 |
| seb128 | wasabi_: killall gnome-settings-daemon | 10:57 |
| seb128 | it auto-respaw | 10:57 |
| sivang | \sh: so much noise on u-d ml, I am already CTRL-D to many times when trying to catch up on it.. | 10:57 |
| wasabi_ | Hmm. Last time I did that it forced gnome-session to close. :0 | 10:58 |
| wasabi_ | That was about 6 months ago though. | 10:58 |
| seb128 | you can as well change the theme | 10:58 |
| seb128 | to an another and back to your current one | 10:58 |
| wasabi_ | Hmm. I did do that actually. | 10:58 |
| \sh | sivang: well actually this is a serious discussion about the future of a software, which is very interessting for the user | 10:58 |
| wasabi_ | Ahh all better. Just killed gnome-panel and nautilus and they figured it out. | 10:59 |
| sivang | \sh: Ofcourse, I wasn't referring to that thread in particular as noise :-) | 10:59 |
| wasabi_ | Except my Applications menu no longer works haha. | 10:59 |
| wasabi_ | Pops up then immediatly turns into a 1x1 px square | 11:00 |
| sivang | \sh: anyway, I should be really in bed now, or else won't be able to get up to work tomorrow - good night | 11:00 |
| wasabi_ | haha and gnome-background-manager now segfaults. | 11:01 |
| wasabi_ | oye. | 11:01 |
| wasabi_ | I can't win. | 11:01 |
| mvo | wasabi_: my application menu does the same | 11:01 |
| seb128 | welcome to a moving (!= stable) distro | 11:01 |
| wasabi_ | Oh I'm not complaining. ;) | 11:02 |
| Nafallo | :-) | 11:02 |
| seb128 | the app menu bug is due to gamin | 11:02 |
| mvo | welcome to seb128 world :P | 11:02 |
| wasabi_ | Just making sure everybody knows so it doesn't make it to stable. ;) | 11:02 |
| seb128 | mvo stepped to debug it :) | 11:02 |
| mvo | seb128: haha | 11:02 |
| ogra | mvo, yay | 11:02 |
| wasabi_ | mvo: I wrote up gapti. | 11:02 |
| wasabi_ | =) | 11:02 |
| mvo | seb128: yes, because you keep pretending that it works for you :) | 11:02 |
| pitti | jbailey: ooh, evil | 11:02 |
| wasabi_ | It's not done, but it's a decent starting base. | 11:02 |
| pitti | jbailey: still here? | 11:02 |
| mvo | wasabi_: cool, where is it? | 11:02 |
| wasabi_ | On my HD. ;) | 11:02 |
| seb128 | mvo: it does! | 11:02 |
| jbailey | pitti: Yup. Heading out soon for curry. 'sup? | 11:03 |
| Nafallo | mvo: wfm :-) | 11:03 |
| seb128 | mvo: uname -r ? | 11:03 |
| wasabi_ | I'll get it someplace. | 11:03 |
| pitti | jbailey: I just tried my new locales package with my new langpack, and it went BOOM | 11:03 |
| jbailey | boom how? =) | 11:03 |
| mvo | seb128: just teasing (uname: Linux top 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8 #1 Fri Nov 18 12:05:35 UTC 2005 x86_64 GNU/Linux | 11:03 |
| mvo | ) | 11:03 |
| pitti | jbailey: de_BE.UTF-8...cannot open locale definition file `fr_BE': No such file or directory | 11:03 |
| pitti | jbailey: locale definition uses parts of other locale definition | 11:03 |
| jbailey | Ugh. It cross references by *country*? | 11:03 |
| seb128 | mvo: dare to try with a 2.6.15? :) | 11:03 |
| pitti | LC_MEASUREMENT | 11:04 |
| pitti | copy "fr_BE" | 11:04 |
| pitti | END LC_MEASUREMENT | 11:04 |
| ogra | seb128, i have it with 2.6.15 | 11:04 |
| pitti | jbailey: above is from de_BE | 11:04 |
| ogra | but also amd64 | 11:04 |
| seb128 | oh | 11:04 |
| seb128 | somebody not on amd64? | 11:04 |
| mvo | seb128: sure, I'll reboot in ~5 minutes | 11:04 |
| pitti | jbailey: cross by language, same country apparently | 11:04 |
| seb128 | mvo: I'm going in 2-3 min, let's do this tomorrow morning | 11:04 |
| jbailey | pitti: Hmm. Is the right answer to build full versions from a central repo for now so that includes are satisfied? | 11:05 |
| mvo | seb128: ok, fine with me. thanks | 11:05 |
| seb128 | np | 11:05 |
| seb128 | for people who wants to debug | 11:05 |
| pitti | jbailey: I thought about statically resolving the 'copy' commands in langpack-o-matic | 11:05 |
| seb128 | run gam_server with GAM_TEST_DNOTIFY set | 11:05 |
| siretart | elmo: yes? | 11:05 |
| jbailey | I'm curious if the compiled versions cross reference, or if they have everything expanded out. | 11:05 |
| seb128 | run gnome-panel with MENU_VERBOSE=1 | 11:05 |
| seb128 | and run gam_server with GAM_DEBUG=1 | 11:05 |
| jbailey | I can't imagine that they cross-reference. | 11:05 |
| pitti | jbailey: but I'll do that tomorrow, I'm falling asleep (damn, I hoped to finish that today) | 11:06 |
| seb128 | to run a new gam_server, gnome-session-remove nautilus gnome-panel | 11:06 |
| pitti | jbailey: me neither, I think it's just like an #include | 11:06 |
| elmo | siretart: what was the result of the avifile discussion? | 11:06 |
| jbailey | pitti: 'kay, cool. Do you want a glibc upload with the updated locale-gen tonight/tomorrow morning, or should I still wait? | 11:06 |
| seb128 | elmo: do we autosync from Debian daily atm? If not could you sync gnome-doc-utils? sync of notification-daemon libnotify from experimental too please | 11:06 |
| siretart | elmo: I uploaded the debian version as ubuntu1, but with extra Conflicts/Replaces for the old libavifile | 11:06 |
| siretart | elmo: so no sync is needed | 11:07 |
| pitti | jbailey: erm, I thought locale-gen was mine? | 11:07 |
| pitti | jbailey: I just sticked it into my locales package and hacked it for supported.d... | 11:07 |
| jbailey | pitti: Ah, lovely then. | 11:07 |
| elmo | seb128: yes, we do, but it breaks with alarming regularity, and requires manual hand holding | 11:07 |
| pitti | jbailey: I did not yet implement per-locale and 'unicode only' | 11:07 |
| jbailey | I'm not staring at the spec, so I'm probbly babbling. =) | 11:07 |
| pitti | jbailey: not sure, why would you want locale-gen in glibc? | 11:07 |
| lifeless | for kicks ? | 11:08 |
| jbailey | pitti: Mmm, sorry, I think I was thinking of localedef. | 11:08 |
| pitti | jbailey: right, I don't ship that | 11:08 |
| elmo | seb128: done | 11:08 |
| jbailey | pitti: Right. Want me to update that nowish from belocs, or should I wait still? | 11:08 |
| seb128 | elmo: thanks | 11:09 |
| pitti | jbailey: updating should be fine, but I won't upload my locales package today | 11:09 |
| pitti | jbailey: so maybe leave the locales package as it is for now | 11:09 |
| jbailey | pitti: 'kay. So yes update localedef, but still leave locales in. | 11:10 |
| pitti | perfect | 11:10 |
| seb128 | see you later guys | 11:10 |
| pitti | 'later'? | 11:10 |
| jbailey | pitti: He's out looking for cars, and will report back ;) | 11:11 |
| pitti | lol | 11:11 |
| sivang | jbailey: hehe | 11:13 |
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| Kamion | elmo: openssl097 shouldn't need to be in josie's broken list any more | 11:16 |
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| elmo | Kamion: thanks, removed | 11:16 |
| Kamion | I wish MOM wasn't so fundamentally useless at merging translation branding | 11:23 |
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| Kamion | it's OK until some strings change upstream, and then you get enormous diffs of great justice | 11:26 |
| \sh | infinity / lamont: can you free debtags-edit from it's dep-wait, thx :) | 11:26 |
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| wasabi_ | mvo: http://akita.larvalstage.net/~wasabi/bzr/gapti--main | 11:41 |
| mvo | wasabi_: cool! bzr geting it now | 11:41 |
| wasabi_ | bzr is remarkable easy. | 11:42 |
| wasabi_ | Just learnt it. | 11:42 |
| wasabi_ | btw that is not done at all. | 11:42 |
| mvo | gdebi, gapti :) | 11:42 |
| wasabi_ | Yeah. I stole your name. | 11:42 |
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| wasabi_ | I still have no figured out the proper way to add the key to apt-key | 11:42 |
| wasabi_ | not | 11:42 |
| zyga | now someone needs to make gdpkgi | 11:43 |
| mvo | gsmarti, gtgzi brrrr | 11:44 |
| === zyga wonders why there is no usability study of crappy names | ||
| zyga | (no offence but 99% of foss names are either insane insider jokes or totall abbr crap) | 11:44 |
| tseng | this is the wrong channel for that particular rant | 11:45 |
| === zyga is the author of poliqarp | ||
| === zyga will give a free beer crate (real life delivery only, sorry) to anyone that guesses right why is it named like that and what the software does | ||
| zyga | note: it's possible to answer correctly | 11:46 |
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| ogra | it querys multiple arp adresses in a network ? | 11:47 |
| zyga | ogra: not even close, it's network agnostic atm | 11:48 |
| zyga | (you can google you know) | 11:48 |
| ogra | was worth a try :) | 11:48 |
| ogra | nah, thats cheating | 11:48 |
| zyga | no | 11:48 |
| zyga | it's the average's user perspective | 11:48 |
| zyga | [s] he can google | 11:49 |
| zyga | for the sake of argument, please try | 11:49 |
| maswan | Poliqarp (POLyinterpretation Indexing Query And Retrieval Processor), a corpus management tool? | 11:50 |
| zyga | yes | 11:50 |
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| zyga | now a note is neccessary | 11:50 |
| maswan | smells like academia. :) | 11:50 |
| zyga | we invented a way to expand the name one day before release :) | 11:50 |
| mvo | "corpus"? | 11:50 |
| zyga | now it's still possible to come up with our reasoning | 11:51 |
| zyga | mvo: lots of text + other data | 11:51 |
| maswan | mvo: as in linguistics? | 11:51 |
| zyga | (related to the text) | 11:51 |
| zyga | usually gramatical or similar | 11:51 |
| mvo | aha | 11:51 |
| zyga | as to why the program was named this way | 11:52 |
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