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[08:07] 'morning [08:07] hi sivang :D [08:08] hey zakame , 'sup? [08:09] pitti: Morning Martin! [08:09] Hi sivang [08:10] sivang: here in the local internet cafe, I dragged my desktop all the way here so I could dist-upgrade my chroots ;) [08:10] zakame: wow, this is extreme :) [08:10] sivang: wish I had a laptop though :( [08:11] or a shuttle === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-170-53.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] heh === drbyte [n=byte@fedora/byte] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mike_douglas [n=mjd@S01060011950b3207.vw.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-132-171.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:14] I have a feeling that the latest Xorg open source ATI drivers are frying my chip. === carlos [n=carlos@62-14-141-190.inversas.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] mike_douglas: what arch? [09:15] x86 [09:15] and what release? dapper? [09:15] or breezy? [09:15] dapper [09:15] possibly [09:15] :) [09:16] Its the "interference" while totem is playing a mp3 leaking through other windows when black is displayed. [09:16] what chipset do you have? r300 or higher? [09:16] r250 [09:17] weird but possible [09:17] ive seen some issues with xorg and the new ati cards [09:18] looks like it isn't doing any permanent damage, I can move the totem window around, and the "interference" leaks through at different places. [09:22] viviersf: yes. so do i [09:27] fabbione, like blank X , blank terminals etc ? [09:28] no [09:29] thats what i got [09:29] kernels framebuffer sumtimes waste ati completely [09:29] not that big problem [09:30] just disable the fb and all is well === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [n=terminx@terminx.envision7.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0F29.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:53] hello [09:54] good morning dholbach ! [09:54] hey daniel [09:55] hey mvo, magnon :) === hunger [n=hunger@p54A60882.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] hi pietrus [10:12] pitti :) [10:13] Hi dholbach [10:14] wb pitti :) === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] doko: hmm, where has libc6-i386-dev gone? [10:25] Mithrandir: it did never exist === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:26] doko: ok, any plans on changing that? [10:28] do we do autosync every day from Debian nowadays? [10:28] sure, it's currently delayed. jbailey is working on it [10:30] doko: ok, coolie [10:31] Diziet: ping [10:32] hi, just a quick one: [10:32] for dapper, what will be the preferred way to install packages without a .desktop file? [10:38] elmo: gnome-doc-utils sync (if we don't autosync) please === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:53] pitti: so, I have a cute bug for you [10:53] Hi Keybuk [10:53] postgresql tells me the packages I have installed are obsolete, and to fix it I need to install the same packages that I have installed :) [10:53] Keybuk: yes, known [10:53] thought it might be [10:53] Keybuk: fixed in postgresql-common version 35 [10:54] do I need to change packages? [10:59] pitti: please review http://people.ubuntu.com/~tfheen/sane-backends/ [11:00] Keybuk: well, 8.0 is obsolete, yes [11:00] Keybuk: -common 35 shoudl display the correct note [11:00] pitti: we're up to postgresql 9.0 already? :) [11:00] Mithrandir: will do today, still busy with my server [11:00] ajmitch: 9.0? no, 8.1 [11:00] good [11:01] pitti: ok, take your time and ping me when you've looked at it. === ajmitch is still using 7.4 [11:01] pitti: I have -7.4 not -8.0 [11:01] pitti: it's kinda annoying to see the "you have an obsolete version installed" note twice on each and every upgrade.. [11:01] the note seems a little extreme [11:02] Keybuk: for sid and sarge that's fine, for dapper 8.1 will be the only supported version [11:02] I don't think we should show it at all, they might have a perfectly valid reason for having 7.4 [11:02] Mithrandir: twice? [11:02] database upgrades aren't trivial [11:02] Keybuk: somehow admins have to be pointed to the fact that the packages they have installed are not supported any more, and not even in the archive [11:02] Keybuk: with pg_upgradecluster it should be reasonably easy [11:03] pitti: yes, twice. [11:03] twice for me too [11:03] Keybuk: leaving the admin totally uninformed is certainly not the right way either? [11:03] pitti: if the packages aren't in the archive any more, it will show up in "obsolete packages" in aptitude or dselect. [11:03] pitti: we don't note for unsupported kernels [11:03] hm, will look at the twice bug, doesn't happen for me [11:03] so yeah, I think leaving the admin to notice the old-fashioned way is fine [11:04] Mithrandir: well, for Debian; but for Ubuntu they moved to universe [11:04] <\sh> good morning gentlemen [11:04] pitti: so on installations with just "main", they'll show up as obsolete. [11:04] Keybuk: I could restrict the note to be displayed just once. ever. [11:04] Keybuk: just read your e-mail RE: wpasupplicant. Any suggestions on the numbering? [11:04] Mithrandir: right, but they are not udated in universe either [11:05] crimsun: don't do it in rcS [11:05] there isn't a place you can put it [11:05] pitti: why not get them removed from universe, then? It's not supposed to be a dumping ground. [11:05] doko: was there a decision on the python version to use for zope products? [11:05] instead tell me what the requirements are for when/how to run wpa_supplicant, and we'll work out a udev rule or if-pre-up.d script for it [11:05] Mithrandir: I will eventually [11:05] Mithrandir: they moved to universe a week ago, I thought I leave them there for some more weeks transition time [11:06] ajmitch: which zope products, which zope versions? [11:06] Keybuk: it needs to be run before a wifi interface is brought up [11:06] crimsun: /etc/network/if-pre-up.d seems the right place then :) [11:06] doko: the ones I accepted to merge on http://revu.tauware.de/~sistpoty/MoM/index.py?state=accepted, and any others we may touch [11:06] Keybuk: ok, so should I be touching that, or will you handle it? [11:07] crimsun: you can handle it [11:07] it's a universe package [11:07] doko: I didn't recall if you said that there'd be a shift of all products for 2.7, 2.8 to python 2.4 [11:07] Keybuk: thanks for the pointers [11:07] 2.x runs with 2.3, 3.x with 2.4 [11:07] ok, so the status quo remains [11:08] crimsun: in if-pre-up.d you get a bunch of environment variables that tell you which interface is being brought up -- you should then check that it's a wireless and needs wpa, and start the supplicant for that interface [11:08] I don't think we have any zope 3.x products in ubuntu apart from schooltool, right? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:08] or is that schoolbell? :) [11:09] Keybuk: ok [11:09] <\sh> crimsun: another solution is /etc/network/interfaces....# [11:09] <\sh> crimsun: there is somewhere a howto where the script will be called during initializing the interfaces [11:09] \sh: that's the same as if-pre-up.d [11:10] <\sh> Keybuk: ah yes...u r right..(I'm just still sleeping) [11:10] elmo: please sync quagga from unstable. Overriding ubuntu changes is ok. === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:11] Mithrandir: I already requested that last week... [11:11] Mithrandir: I think he already did [11:12] <\sh> infinity: can u have a look at ardour_0.99.3ubuntu1 it has a scons problem *grmpf* === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] \sh : Meh, I already fixed this problem during the breezy cycle. Unless it's developed a new one... [11:22] Oh, or the changes didn't make it in into the dapper chroots, due to some fantastic timing. [11:22] \sh : Will fix. [11:22] <\sh> infinity: thx :) [11:23] <\sh> infinity: and yes I hate scons too :) the 99999 build system .. grrr === siretart hears rumors about firefox 1.5 release tomorrow? === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] elmo / Znarl : crested appears to be down. === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] pitti: you didn't close the bug. :-P [11:32] Mithrandir: no, not yet [11:34] pitti: well, it's synced, so I'll close the bug. [11:34] Mithrandir: oh, did you close it just now? I can't find it any more [11:34] pitti: approximately five seconds ago, yes. [11:34] k, thanks === `anthony [n=anthony@220-253-39-148.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] elmo / Znarl : Would be nice if one of you could poke floe with a stick too, if/when you smack crested around. [11:46] Are the breezy CDs broken? === StevenK is still wondering where the naming scheme for *.u.c came from. [11:46] I downloaded one yesterday and it fails to install (ubuntu-minimal depending on xfsprogs which is not going to get installed). [11:47] md5sum is correct. [11:47] hunger: I'd say we would have heard a large outcry if they all failed to install [11:47] ajmitch: That is what I was thinking as well... [11:48] ajmitch: Probably it is my CDROM acting up or something. [11:48] infinity : floe and crested are down? :/ === hunger grabs hoary and tries that instead. [11:49] hunger: I misread that as '* hunger goes ...' :-) [11:49] Znarl : crested looks completely down, floe is responding to pings, but I left an SSH connection attempt sitting there for a few minutes and never got to a prompt. So it's either VERY loaded (possible), or half dead. [11:50] Znarl : I'll try longer to get to floe, but crested seems very much gone. [11:51] StevenK : Most of our machines are types of penguins. A few machines break that rule here and there. [11:51] Ahhhh. [11:51] Now it mostly makes sense. [11:51] elmo: please sync libgc from unstable, overriding ubuntu changes is ok [11:52] Diziet: would you mind if I assigned the mozilla merge to you? [11:52] infinity : I just kicked both machines. [11:52] Znarl: no wonder they break if you go around kicking them.. ;-) [11:53] I only kick the broken ones! === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] ...mmm...forbidden christmas cake... [11:55] ok, the gfxboot patch is officially hideous [11:55] gfxboot? [11:55] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CdBootloader [11:56] ahh [11:56] I'm at 3800-odd lines of assembly patches at the moment [11:56] those are the best, aren't they [11:57] I find sdiff/meld/etc. much better for those kinds of things, as you can actually read the new and old code how they're supposed to be [11:57] Keybuk: How is it forbidden? [11:58] dholbach, ping [11:58] Keybuk: I have no particular problem reading the patch; it's just that it's HUGE [11:59] Kinnison: It isn't Christmas yet? [11:59] ogra: pong [11:59] StevenK: so? [11:59] Keybuk: Damn it, now I want Christmas cake. [11:59] StevenK: It's just practice === Kinnison is reminded to go feed his xmas cake more lime juice and brandy [11:59] xmas cake or xmas pud? [12:00] cake [12:00] StevenK, Mithrandir: BTW, looking at scrollback, there's no "pccardmgr" to replace cardmgr; most of what cardmgr did has moved into the kernel, and the rest is a few udev rules and helpers. [12:00] I bought mine from the Frankfurt xmas market [12:00] Kamion: ook. [12:00] Keybuk: heh [12:00] Kamion: Wheeee! That's cool. === Kinnison made his, as per every year [12:01] Kamion: If I was an ftp-master, I'd kick pcmcia-cs out the archive, put it back and then kick it out again. [12:01] Come to think of it, I did that at work for a package. [12:01] StevenK: and this is why you're not an ftp-master ... :o) [12:01] well, there still seem to be a few bugs in the new world order, e.g. https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20154 [12:01] Keybuk: I happen to be one at work ... :-) [12:01] not that I can reproduce it with any of the 16-bit PCMCIA or CardBus cards that I have lying around here, including one with the same manfid as the report === StevenK kicks the "Certificate expired" message in the guts. === StevenK wonders if the submitter has i82365 (or whatever the bloody hell it is), yenta_socket or ds loaded... [12:05] He does. [12:06] StevenK: we went through a lot of this, yeah [12:06] it all seems sane :( === StevenK nods. [12:07] Silly card in bozo mode? I mean, nothing about the card shows up in udev. [12:07] pitti, ping [12:07] Hi ogra [12:07] pitti_, do you plan to update libnotify ? [12:08] StevenK: 16-bit cards don't [12:08] ogra: I thought seb128 already did that [12:08] pitti_, g-p-m needs the newer version [12:08] That'd be right. [12:08] StevenK: well, not in the same way anyway [12:08] ogra: I don't have any plans in that regard [12:08] pitti_, we have 0.2.1 [12:08] it needs 0.2.2 [12:08] ok [12:09] CardBus cards just behave as normal hotpluggable PCI cards; other cards *should* appear in /sys/bus/pcmcia/devices/ ... [12:09] I'm claiming kernel bug at the moment but I don't know exactly where [12:10] In either case, it was about time PCMCIA was dragged into line, kicking and screaming. [12:11] pitti_, ogra: I'll update it now [12:12] seb128, thanks a lot :) [12:12] np [12:12] ogra: please remind me to send you updated hwdb-client sometime later === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === sajd [n=sajd@blueice1n1.de.ibm.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico_ [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] zyga, i'll put it in bzr during this week, its on my todo list === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-79-66-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:15] ogra: oh, cool send me the url then it'll be easier [12:16] zyga, it will show up somewhere there: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/ [12:16] k, thanks [12:16] i'll ping you [12:21] zyga: did you added i18n? === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjr [i=mjr@aulis.sange.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] mvo: as usual :) [12:25] mvo: s/ed// === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A64396.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:25] elmo: libnotify notification-daemon syncs from Debian experimental please [12:26] zyga: nice! did you used language-selector/gdebi as a example? or something completely new? [12:26] mvo: I patched the source, I didn't do packaging yet but I plan to use l-s as an example, unless you have anything cleaner around [12:27] elmo: ping, can you look at the problem with akode 2-rc1-1ubuntu2? === zyga want's a 'awarded for i18n effors' medal someday ;] [12:27] zyga: I think nowdays gdebi is a bit better, but the idea is always the same. I try to avoid auto* and use distutils/setup.py as much as possible [12:28] I'll check out gdebi then, I didn't really read it yet, apart from DebPackage.py === enrico_ is now known as enrico [12:28] mvo: any chance to merge DebPackage into python-apt? [12:29] zyga: a pretty good one, just a matter of time [12:29] :) [12:29] mvo: k, need to think about base class then :) [12:30] zyga: yes, that's another issue. but I'm sure we can come up with something sensible [12:30] me too [12:33] mvo: where can i find gdebi sources? [12:33] need them for i18n if possible [12:34] lbm: either use bzr and "bzr get http://people.ubuntu.com/~mvo/bzr/gdebi--main/" [12:34] lbm: or apt-get source gdebi on dapper === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] mvo: oh, that's why i couldn't find it in your baz archive :) [12:37] lbm: heh :) yes. I'll move to bzr for all stuff eventually, it's *so* nice [12:39] mvo: greeeeeeeeeat! [12:41] bazaar is dead, long live bazaar ;) === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] mvo: i get a whole lot of errors when trying to intltool-update -g gdebi -m === zyga runs [12:43] lbm: let me check [12:43] :) === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-170-53.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] lbm: pleae update, I fixed the missing DebPackage.py. the remaining looks like harmless errors where intltool doesn't understand """ strings [12:49] mvo: thanks, i'll try [12:50] hmm, how do i pull the updates with bzr i might ask? :) [12:50] lbm: either "bzr merge" or "bzr pull" :) [12:51] mvo: oh, i used pull, but bzr didn't mention anything about any updates other than 0 conflicts === neuralis [n=krstic@hagen.kdb.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:51] lbm: try "bzr diff" then [12:52] lbm: bzr is the strong and silent type [12:52] i use a outdated version clearly (breezy) [12:52] Kinnison: sure is :) === mvo waves to Kinnison [12:52] hey mvo === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === konsumer [n=konsumer@p54B6E5D1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carstenh [n=carstenh@mkfw.fh-trier.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-72-252.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] mvo: typo in GDebi.py:169 [01:03] lbm: if you have a location on the web where you can push your branch, I'm happy to merge it from there [01:04] mvo: oh, i think it would be a little overkill to have my own branch :) [01:04] lbm: not really, it's easy/cheap with bzr. but I can of course fix it the "traditional" way :) [01:05] you already do, by virtue of checking out mvo's [01:05] a checkout is a branch; pull keeps you in sync as long as the branches haven't diverged === vanhoofp [n=pvanhoof@d54C18307.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] yes, but i have it locally [01:09] lbm: thanks, I fixed the typo, please merge (you may have to re-run make update-po) [01:09] <\sh> infinity: thx for fixing it :) [01:10] mvo: thanks, i never use make update-po, i use intltool-update directly, but anyway :) [01:10] lbm: oh, ok [01:10] fine as well :) [01:10] thanks [01:20] mvo: "After installing a dependency problem was found." [01:20] this is a little hard to understand [01:22] lbm: right. it's a error message that should never be displayed. if it is shown then the dependency resolution did something very stupid [01:22] lbm: I agree that it should be redone [01:22] mvo: okay, i'll figure it out :) [01:22] something like: "Internal error, please report the following information as a bug: After installing a dependency problem was found"" ? [01:22] A comma would help there, a lot. [01:23] "After installation, a dependency problem was found" or "A dependency problem was found after installation" [01:23] I assume that's what you mean anyway. === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] how can one be found _after_ installation? [01:24] also my thought :) [01:24] Exactly why it's never supposed to happen. :) [01:25] it means that gdebi screwed up and I deserve a good kicking [01:25] so let's hope it is never displayed :) [01:25] jbailey! [01:26] Riddell: I can't build adept, it looks like the build-deps are incomplete? it complains about missing libtagcol [01:26] morning jbailey === Hirion [n=Hirion@p5487F569.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] mvo: quite possibly, I'll add that to my things to fix today, a lot of KDE things are blocking on jbailey fixing cdbs for me though :) [01:28] Heya Jonathan, Karianne (and everyone!) [01:28] Riddell: no problem, I will look into it again if I find time === mvo waves to jabra === mvo waves to jbailey [01:28] :) [01:31] lbm: please merge again, I updated the error text [01:31] mvo: i will === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] mvo: "No entry for '%s' found" [01:34] what relation? [01:35] lbm: it's for missing entries in the deb package, e.g. a missing "Maintainer" field [01:36] mvo: oh, could you make a note about it in the source? [01:36] lbm: done and pushed, thanks [01:36] mvo: great, thanks [01:40] Riddell: What have you done already to troubleshoot the cdbs failure? I'm a bit busy today, so if I can avoid hacking on this I'd rather. If it's truly blocking you, I'll fix it but it would be useful to know what you've done already. [01:41] jbailey: it's failed on recursive.sh test, there doesn't seem to be any output in the build log saying why. It compiles fine in my dapper chroot and pbuilder [01:41] so I'm stuck === wdnixN5 [n=wdnixN5@70.89.208.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lathiat [n=lathiat@ubuntu/member/lathiat] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] Kamion, mdz: can you please promote libgtkmm-2.4-1c2a to main? === martink [n=martin@p54B387DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp195-58.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] is here the place to ask about a broken package? === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] Riddell: Is cdbs installed in your chroot? [01:55] jbailey: yes [01:55] Kamping_Kaiser: -> #ubuntu [01:55] fabbione: ok [01:55] or otherwise open a bug in bugzilla [01:55] Riddell: Can you pls confirm for me that it fails if you uninstall it? [01:55] fabbione: just want to know if it's known, so I'll ask ther thanks [01:55] search in bugzilla than [01:56] mmm. [01:57] jbailey: it still compiles [01:57] with cdbs uninstalled === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:58] Riddell: No idea, then. Probably best to set -x in there and look at the output from the buildd then. === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] jbailey: the buildd log gives no output other than that recursive.sh failed === martinhj [n=martinhj@238.80-202-208.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] dholbach: done [02:03] Kamion: merci beaucoup [02:03] Riddell: Right. But recursive.sh is a shell script. [02:03] Riddell: Just hack it to actually provide output. [02:04] and re-upload? [02:05] Riddell: Unless you can think of a way to get the info otherwise. Adam or LaMont might have another solution for you. === Gerrath [i=Gerrath@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:08] Diziet: around ? === infinity perks. === Jimbob [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:11] Riddell : Which fialure are you looking at?.. Package, version, arch. I can probably help dig deeper. [02:14] infinity: cdbs 0.4.30ubuntu4 [02:14] lifeless: Hello. [02:15] Oh, it's CDBS itself failing?... I thought you meants CDBS was breaking other stuff. [02:15] s/meants/meant/ === apokryphos [n=apokryph@70.85.216.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] infinity: yes, the packages itself [02:15] I was about to start lunch but I'll put it off :-). [02:15] infinity: but as I say it compiles fine in pbuilder and chroot [02:16] mithrandir: mozilla merge> Yes, I see you assigned it to me. That's sensible. [02:18] Diziet: I'm off to sleep :[ [02:18] Diziet: can you be around at 1200Z tomorrow ? [02:18] Yes. === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp195-58.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:19] I *should* be back from aikido then [02:19] You mean 1200 UTC I hope ? [02:19] yes [02:19] Your mail had something confusing about `your 1100Z is my Monday 2200Z'. [02:19] 22.75 hours from now [02:19] Right. [02:20] Sleep well and talk to you then. [02:20] ok, ciao [02:20] (Next time, feel free to phone me if I seem unresponsive on IRC.) === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:25] hey Diziet [02:26] Diziet: got a minute? [02:28] Keybuk: I want to help with bootchar, should I just install it on my dapper? [02:30] Jesus, five minutes to build clanlib. Rothera must be a *beast*. [02:30] sivang: yup, it's in the dapper archive (in universe) [02:32] Keybuk: how do you get the results of the bootcharintg? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang installs [02:34] sivang: png files in /var/log/bootchart [02:35] is Fabian Franz here? === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] Kamion: he doesnt irc [02:37] Kamion: at ubz he told me email or icq was the best way to contact him [02:38] elmo: please sync mp3gain from debian/unstable... ubuntu changes can be dropped [02:39] fabbione: Can I get back to you after I've had my lunch ? [02:41] Diziet: one very fast thing.. i am almost off.. i am suppsed to merge gs-esp and gs-gpl [02:41] Diziet: but i saw you are pretty familiar with that code [02:41] Diziet: do you want to take them and i will do a couple of your merges? [02:42] (you can answer whenever you want) [02:43] sure [02:44] That sound sensible. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A62A1B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:47] siretart: ICQ? How retro. In any case I've found a better contact person. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] Diziet: ok. thanks. point me to a couple of merges from your and i will take care of them [02:49] elmo: If you wouldn't mind, could you whitelist me for dapper-changes? I've sent the mail to upload@ul.o. Thanks. [02:50] Diziet: gs-* are 19191 and 19192 === eruin [n=eruin@unaffiliated/eruin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sanpera [n=sanpera@157.182.195.191] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shinmen [n=shinmen@nat1.inalambrica.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@62-14-141-219.inversas.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:09] seb128: ping? when do you plan to upload firefox-fixed liferea? [03:10] slomo: in fact it doesn't break for me [03:11] slomo: feel free to fix it if you have the issue [03:12] It's not liferea+firefox that's broken, it's liferea+gtkhtml. [03:12] Switching to the mozilla/firefox backend FIXES it. [03:13] hmm, for me both are broken [03:13] firefox/mozilla doesn't work at all, gtkhtml crashes sometimes [03:13] seb128: ping, about hardware-monitor, could I loosen the b-d on libgtop2-dev? sispoty asked me about it.. :) [03:13] "doesn't work at all"? === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-20-143.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] re [03:14] slomo : You're aware that the mozilla backend doesn't do much of anything useful without liferea-mozilla installed, right? [03:14] infinity: i can't choose it in the settings... and liferea can't be compiled against current firefox [03:14] slomo: slomo: feel free to fix it if you have the issue [03:14] seb128_: ping, about hardware-monitor, could I loosen the b-d on libgtop2-dev? sispoty asked me about it.. :) [03:14] infinity: i have liferea-mozilla installed === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sivang uses liferea-gtkhtml 0.9.7b+test1.0rc3-1ubuntu1 and it works [03:16] infinity: http://pastebin.com/440905 [03:16] zakame: [03:16] $ grep libgtop configure.ac libgtop-2.0 >= 2.6.0) [03:16] zakame: it does Depends on it [03:17] slomo, infinity: there's a new upstream version it seems [03:17] infinity, seb128: i put it on my todo list then... [03:17] sivang : It doesn't crash constantly? [03:17] dholbach: doesn't fix it, doesn't compile against ff 1.5 [03:17] nice :) [03:18] dholbach: and cvs is completely outdated ;) [03:18] i thought so, the ChangeLog looked weird [03:18] infinity: this is un-fu$#%$# beliveable, it's been running for 30 minutes now and the minue I said it doesn't creash, it crashed . phew [03:18] infinity: and I 've been switching channel, reading my feeds as usual.. [03:18] seb128_: ok, thanks :D === infinity bows. [03:18] sivang: hehe, sometimes it works some time, sometimes it crashes instantly ;) === sivang claps [03:19] zakame: why do you want to drop the b-d ? [03:19] slomo: so, you have a backtrace of that or is it not really needed with --debug-all ? === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-0-58-245.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] sivang: backtrace for the crash? yes, there is one in malone... but i first want to try a rebuild (and need to fix the firefox backend for that...)... maybe the gtkhtml crash is caused by newer gtkhtml2... [03:21] seb128_: no, not dropping the b-d, but relaxing it... your last merge set it to >= 2.9.0, and sispoty noted it === pitti_ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] ok, so gfxboot is infeasible for now, and we can't display all native language names in normal syslinux on the console [03:22] maybe I should just use the simple menu system and display English names for each language [03:22] zakame: that's to build with the new version of the lib after a soname change probably [03:22] gfxboot? is that what frans pop announced? [03:22] zakame: no [03:22] zakame: it can probably be synced from Debian [03:23] Riddell : Your new cdbs upload build-deps on sometihng from universe (db2latex-xsl) [03:23] seb128: ah, ok I'll try rebuilding the debian source to verify, then prolly mark sync === mxpxpod [n=BryanFor@wuw-ojr3gmca.dybb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] Kamion : Infeasible, just due to the size and hair-factor of the patch? [03:24] infinity: right [03:24] I've mailed the SuSE guys asking for help [03:25] but I think for the moment we have to operate on the assumption that we won't get it [03:27]