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| sistpoty | args... libghemical0 *is* evil :( | 12:15 |
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| Kyral | why is that | 12:19 |
| sistpoty | it links agains c++ and is being built by g++-3.4... and g++-3.4 is not only used by libghemical0 but also gets drawn in by one build-depends which is some fortran stuff | 12:20 |
| sistpoty | and still I don't have much of a clue | 12:20 |
| Kyral | ouch | 12:20 |
| sistpoty | at least i now know where ghemicals random segfaults come from *g* | 12:21 |
| Kyral | Is this for the MOTUScience team? | 12:21 |
| sistpoty | oh, is there a MOTUSciences team? | 12:21 |
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| Kyral | wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUScience | 12:22 |
| sistpoty | he, seems i missed that ;) | 12:22 |
| sistpoty | at least I know where to call for help now... thx Kyral :) | 12:23 |
| Kyral | Hey its led by two newbies :P | 12:24 |
| sistpoty | *g* | 12:25 |
| Kyral | lol | 12:28 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: delegate ;) | 12:28 |
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| ajmitch | sistpoty: probably something to talk to azeem about anyway | 12:28 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: i will :) | 12:28 |
| Kyral | Well, we have a MOTU on the team, but AFAIK LJ and I have done the most work | 12:29 |
| azeem | sistpoty: can't do much about the fortran stuff in ghemical | 12:53 |
| azeem | sistpoty: however, the new ghemical version doesn't segfault anymore, I put up breezy packages at people.debian.org/~mbanck/ubuntu-breezy | 12:54 |
| sistpoty | azeem: do you know whether fortran stuff is c only or using c++ as well? | 12:54 |
| azeem | c only? | 12:55 |
| sistpoty | azeem: i just tried to figure out if the fortran-libs need to be compiled with gfortran to get rid of gcc-3.4 | 12:57 |
| sistpoty | azeem: if these don't depend on any specific c++-stuff, it should be safe to leave them as is | 12:58 |
| azeem | I don't think they depend on c++ stuff | 12:58 |
| sistpoty | that's good :) | 12:58 |
| sistpoty | azeem: for your new packages: will libghemical be compiled with g++4? | 01:01 |
| azeem | yes | 01:02 |
| sistpoty | azeem: ok, then I guess I'll wait for these to hit unstable and request a sync... ok? | 01:03 |
| azeem | sure | 01:03 |
| sistpoty | cool, thx :) | 01:03 |
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| ajmitch | sistpoty: see, delegation is great ;) | 01:05 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: it is, thx for the introduction :) | 01:06 |
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| sistpoty | ajmitch: do you think we should bump standards-version for a merge (if appropriate and there are other changes as well)? | 01:22 |
| ajmitch | only if it's reasonable to do so | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | if it were the only change I woudn't :) | 01:24 |
| ajmitch | & if you do the proper upgrade check | 01:24 |
| sistpoty | hm... i personally wouldn't even if i did other changes, to keep the delta as small as possible... but I'm just thinking of sponsoring an upload for zakame | 01:25 |
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| ajmitch | I'd stay away from making the change usually | 01:28 |
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| hub | can someone please push libiptcdata from REVU? | 01:58 |
| hub | it as lost its vote because I updated the distribution field | 01:58 |
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| sistpoty | hub: i just took a glimpse at libiptcdata... please check the -dbg library, which has strange contents | 02:28 |
| sistpoty | hub: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libiptcdata.so.0.3.0 | 02:29 |
| sistpoty | hub: otherwise it's really nice :) | 02:30 |
| ajmitch | still awake, sistpoty ? :) | 02:30 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: yep... but not for long | 02:30 |
| sistpoty | hub: and another thing: the -doc package installs to /usr/share/gtk-doc/... intended? | 02:35 |
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| hub | sistpoty: oh | 02:45 |
| hub | crap | 02:45 |
| hub | sistpoty: that is where the upstream installs | 02:45 |
| hub | sistpoty: the docs | 02:45 |
| sistpoty | hub: maybe you could change this ;) | 02:46 |
| sistpoty | ok, now i really need some sleep... gn8 everyone | 02:47 |
| hub | make sense | 02:51 |
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| Kyral | hey LJ | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | Hi Kyral | 04:44 |
| Kyral | how goes it | 04:45 |
| LaserJock | well, kinda busy right now. I finally heard from the guy who made the original Packaging Guide right after I just had it put in the doc team repo. Oh, and I spent 3 1/2 hr at Walmart getting a flat tire fixed >:-( | 04:49 |
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| Kyral | lol | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | ah, the fun of walmart | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | well, at least it was free | 04:52 |
| LaserJock | my wife was about to go ballistic | 04:52 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:53 |
| LaserJock | she had had enough of Walmart after the 1st hour :-) | 04:53 |
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| ajmitch | since we 'sadly' don't have them in NZ ;) | 04:54 |
| LaserJock | then I got home and my brother from WA called and said that the graphics card I got with him didn't work | 04:54 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:55 |
| LaserJock | oh and the memory we got didn't work either | 04:55 |
| magnon | morning guys | 04:56 |
| magnon | hey andrew | 04:56 |
| LaserJock | all I can say is the Dell Dimension 3000 is no fun | 04:56 |
| ajmitch | hey magnon | 04:56 |
| magnon | my laptop should be back soon so I can get work done again | 04:56 |
| magnon | silly apple | 04:56 |
| StevenK | Wheee, my first merge has been uploaded! | 04:57 |
| StevenK | But I'm not whitelisted, so I didn't see the mail. :-( | 04:57 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: so, I want to become an ubuntu 'member' | 04:57 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: and then MOTU | 04:58 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: excellent.. | 04:58 |
| lifeless | I've wikied my obvious stuff up | 04:58 |
| lifeless | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobertCollins | 04:58 |
| magnon | argh. stupid outlook. why on earth does it decide to download every single email from an imap server_ | 04:58 |
| lifeless | probably your IMAP ids changed | 04:59 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: you have the advantage of having been drinking with the CC & TB members :) | 04:59 |
| magnon | first time I added the account, so no | 04:59 |
| lifeless | magnon: in which case its at a minimum scanning the headers, and possibly more depending on your settings | 04:59 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: true, but there is due process | 04:59 |
| Jimbob | magnon: If it didn't, then it couldn't create a massive 1GB file of all your stuff -- and loose it all it when it hits a bad sector on the disk :-) | 05:00 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: putting in 'been drinking with Mark' isn't /exactly/ a 'contribution' | 05:00 |
| StevenK | Heh, it could work in your favour. :-) | 05:00 |
| magnon | lifeless: I never configure, I assume sane defaults. And it downloads everything, which is insane :) | 05:00 |
| lifeless | StevenK: ;) | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | no, but being a DD can probably help | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: if you've got time & are willing to help out in general, we're mainly doing merges at the moment | 05:01 |
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| lifeless | ajmitch: anyway, you're closer to this bit of the process than I am regularly : am I in the right ballpark, or should I put in a dedicated weekend or two bugfixing not-stuff-I-maintain ? | 05:01 |
| lifeless | ajmitch: I am happy to help out in general, for sure. | 05:01 |
| ajmitch | a bit of time getting some fixes in will work in your favour | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | mako has been turning people away that have done lots, but over a short time | 05:02 |
| ajmitch | for ubuntu membership | 05:02 |
| lifeless | see, maybe I'm being harsh, but I fix lots of bugs: often before they hit ubuntu ;) | 05:03 |
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| lifeless | but I'm not claiming those as contributions, it seems wrong to me to do so. | 05:03 |
| ajmitch | which is good, but it depends whether they see that :) | 05:03 |
| lifeless | yah | 05:03 |
| StevenK | I'm going to skip this CC meeting and put my name down for the next one. | 05:03 |
| StevenK | Then we'll see what Mako has to say. :-) | 05:03 |
| Kyral | Membership? | 05:03 |
| lifeless | http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember | 05:04 |
| Kyral | I know what it is | 05:04 |
| Kyral | I was asking if StevenK was going for it | 05:05 |
| lifeless | heh, the ? was ambiguous then | 05:05 |
| Kyral | I plan to go for it the soonest I don't have class during a Meeting | 05:05 |
| ajmitch | at the moment there's nothing else I can go for, except fixing more bugs & getting new things in | 05:06 |
| StevenK | Kyral: Not this meeting (which is 6/12), but the one after | 05:06 |
| Kyral | yah | 05:06 |
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| StevenK | Can I close Malone bugs in an upload? | 05:43 |
| StevenK | A'la: (Closes: #235433) in the changelog for Debian. | 05:43 |
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| crimsun | StevenK: no, hasn't been coupled yet (I do miss that feature) | 05:56 |
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| StevenK | crimsun: So noted. I'll note the bug number in the changelog anyway. | 06:36 |
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| viviersf | yo yo | 07:05 |
| ajmitch | hi | 07:05 |
| StevenK | Oh. The debdiff between ntop 3.0-3ubuntu1 and ntop 3.2ubuntu1 is 7Mb. | 07:14 |
| === StevenK really ponders the necessity of that before throwing it to Launchpad. | ||
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| ajmitch | I think the smaller debdiff is probably more useful | 07:33 |
| ajmitch | just as a guess | 07:33 |
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| zakame | hello | 07:36 |
| minghua | StevenK: I would always post the debdiff between debian and new ubuntu | 07:38 |
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| zakame | hey minghua :D how's the merging? | 07:42 |
| minghua | zakame: I didn't do much with merging last week | 07:43 |
| minghua | zakame: I got the scim package in Debian ready for the libstdc++ transition though | 07:44 |
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| zakame | woo | 07:55 |
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| zakame | slomo_: ping, got a sec for hardware-monitor? :) | 08:12 |
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| drbyte | hello MOTUs | 08:21 |
| drbyte | i have a problem with one of your packages *grin* | 08:21 |
| zakame | ooh | 08:22 |
| drbyte | gforge | 08:27 |
| drbyte | its got a dependency loop | 08:27 |
| zakame | can you fix it? :) a debdiff or two might make motus jump for joy :p | 08:28 |
| drbyte | hmm. if you guys are willing to help (i'm really a fedora developer, not a DD), i'll take a gander in a bit | 08:29 |
| zakame | cool! | 08:29 |
| drbyte | ok, well, i'll be fiddling with it today/tmrw then | 08:31 |
| minghua | drbyte: is there already a bug filed? | 08:31 |
| drbyte | minghua: i haven't actually checked. i found this last week, but i've had a lot of work to do since then. i have a few moments now, so i'm about to be checking | 08:32 |
| minghua | drbyte: thanks. if you file a bug that explain the situation clearly, I think it won't be hard for some MOTU to get a patch out even if you can't | 08:37 |
| zakame | checking https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gforge | 08:37 |
| drbyte | minghua: i'm sure i can get a patch out... i just have to learn a bit about these magical debian/rules and what not ... | 08:37 |
| drbyte | i'm used to spec files | 08:37 |
| StevenK | drbyte: The problem is more than likely in debian/control. | 08:39 |
| drbyte | StevenK: see, toldja its new | 08:39 |
| drbyte | i've got some stuff to do atm, i'll come back later and prod ok. thanks | 08:39 |
| zakame | err, is libmagick6-dev dropped? I've got a b-d to it from nip2, won't build | 08:56 |
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| zakame | there's libmagick9-dev which seems to replace 6, but libvips10-dev needs 6 | 09:01 |
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| zakame | never mind... | 09:14 |
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| siretart | morning | 09:45 |
| crimsun | morning | 09:45 |
| crimsun | vlc_0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu1 uploaded :)) | 09:45 |
| lucas | hi | 09:47 |
| lucas | somebody has some time to review motutools ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1036 | 09:47 |
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| dholbach | hello | 09:53 |
| crimsun | re daniel | 09:54 |
| dholbach | hey crimsun :) | 09:55 |
| zakame | heya dholbach :) | 09:56 |
| dholbach | hey zakame :) | 09:56 |
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| ajmitch | hi | 10:05 |
| siretart | morning ajmitch ;) hi * | 10:06 |
| siretart | has anybody heared about OpenC++? | 10:06 |
| sivang | morning all | 10:07 |
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| zakame | er | 10:09 |
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| Tonio_ | morning all | 10:11 |
| zakame | hi Tonio_ | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | hi zakame | 10:12 |
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| \sh | moins | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | hey \sh | 11:01 |
| === ajmitch waits for the merge upload flood | ||
| ajmitch | crimsun: seen keybuk's mail about wpasupplicant? | 11:02 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: n'yet, doing work stuff atm | 11:03 |
| ajmitch | k | 11:03 |
| \sh | ajmitch: oh well...I'm since 5:00 UTC in the office...and already worked...waiting now for one more meeting and after that I'm going home and sleep... | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | *ouch* | 11:04 |
| === ajmitch only stayed at office until 6:30pm | ||
| crimsun | ajmitch: thanks | 11:04 |
| ajmitch | & that was late for me, because I was moving an install of our app from 1 server to another | 11:04 |
| \sh | ajmitch: lets wait for elmo...he has to do a lot of syncs for me :) | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I've seen a huge list you asked for ;) | 11:05 |
| ajmitch | I'm taking things easy at the moment, sorry | 11:05 |
| \sh | ajmitch: no problem at all...I was just burning ,) | 11:06 |
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| dholbach | do we all agree on dropping http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUPackages ? | 11:12 |
| === siretart agrees | ||
| ajmitch | yes | 11:12 |
| ajmitch | it's very obsolete | 11:12 |
| dholbach | done | 11:12 |
| siretart | dholbach: while you are at it, I think the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps is obsolete, too | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | about the only thing I used it for was noting what packages I cared for in debian | 11:13 |
| dholbach | and we should move to a MOTU/* structure :) | 11:13 |
| siretart | dholbach: I think we should drop the lower part (as noted on the page) | 11:13 |
| ajmitch | but noone would look at MOTUPackages to know to not trample on my packages ;) | 11:13 |
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| siretart | ajmitch: I think we should have something like http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=ajmitch@debian.org for universe | 11:14 |
| \sh | well...I will write a spec today (later this day) for bjornT_ to have a support tracker system related to teams. | 11:14 |
| siretart | hi \sh | 11:14 |
| siretart | \sh: that would be awesome | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | siretart: something like that | 11:14 |
| dholbach | siretart: sounds ok, to drop it... we just need a way to say "i work on this" or "this patch needs review" | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | \sh: if we can get it related to default bug assignment ,it would be great | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: malone! | 11:15 |
| dholbach | maybe we should have a tag on malone for that | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | well | 11:15 |
| dholbach | RequestedReview or something | 11:15 |
| siretart | we basically need a list of malone bugs | 11:15 |
| \sh | ajmitch: well...first of all....the support tracker should handle "UniverseCandidates" requests by ubuntu/ubuntu users | 11:15 |
| siretart | non motus should imo attach debdiffs to malone bugs, which are linked in one central place | 11:15 |
| dholbach | \sh: then we need a way to filter | 11:15 |
| \sh | ajmitch: secondly for unmet deps...we should use malone... | 11:15 |
| siretart | perhaps we can script something small on tiber for that | 11:15 |
| ajmitch | \sh: I agree | 11:16 |
| siretart | dholbach: filtering what exactly? | 11:16 |
| \sh | dholbach: which is on the todo of LP guys...because filtering is just not working because of the load | 11:16 |
| ajmitch | malone works much much better than the wiki, even with its flaws | 11:16 |
| \sh | dholbach: right now, I can't encourage people to use the "PendingUpload" flag...because we never find it again | 11:16 |
| dholbach | \sh, siretart: \sh wants to put UniverseCandidates on the support tracker - i just said, that we *then* needed filtering | 11:16 |
| siretart | dholbach: filtering in malone works by creating a new group for the task, and assigning bugs to that group | 11:17 |
| === dholbach wonders who will be in the MOTUReviewers team :( | ||
| \sh | dholbach: u know that support tracker is something else...and it's not possible right now, to file support request against a team...that's what we have to change | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: I will | 11:17 |
| siretart | dholbach: I think we should to it both for .debdiff attachments and for UniverseCandidates | 11:17 |
| siretart | dholbach: thats easy | 11:17 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: some days I'd rather review stuff than burn through merges ;) | 11:17 |
| siretart | dholbach: the group ubuntu-developers will be in the MOTUReviewers Team | 11:17 |
| dholbach | siretart: i don't think they want to be bothered by those "bugs" | 11:18 |
| === ajmitch creates yet more merge work for MOTUs | ||
| siretart | dholbach: they will be not | 11:18 |
| siretart | dholbach: it is to get this list: http://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs | 11:18 |
| siretart | dholbach: thats the only reliable way for filtering bugs in malone for now | 11:19 |
| dholbach | please list all the new teams on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeams | 11:19 |
| siretart | ubuntu-developers will not be bugged by this list. in fact, it does not matter who joins this team. it is just for bug sorting | 11:20 |
| === siretart is currently at work, but I will look after this this evening | ||
| dholbach | thanks | 11:20 |
| siretart | if nobody does first | 11:20 |
| siretart | if nobody does earlier | 11:20 |
| dholbach | siretart: and yes, the lower part of universeunmetdeps seems ready to go | 11:20 |
| siretart | does anyone object on the approach? | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | siretart: no | 11:20 |
| siretart | ok | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | siretart: we can't argue with a main uploader ;) | 11:21 |
| siretart | ajmitch: sorry? | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | don't worry, I was just kidding | 11:21 |
| siretart | (I mean, all 4 persons in this discussion are main uploads) | 11:21 |
| siretart | main uploaders | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | yep | 11:21 |
| siretart | ok | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | a good number of MOTUs are now | 11:22 |
| siretart | I think thats good | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | yes | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | it shows we're not just 2nd rate hacks :) | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | and that we do have a clue, even \sh :) | 11:23 |
| \sh | hehehe | 11:23 |
| siretart | :) | 11:23 |
| === ajmitch wonders when his upload will be acknowledged by katie | ||
| ajmitch | ubuntu has spoilt me with quick response times | 11:24 |
| ajmitch | argh | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | (Exit status 2) | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | f-spot_0.1.3-2_i386.changes has bad PGP/GnuPG signature! | 11:25 |
| ajmitch | signed with wrong key | 11:25 |
| === ajmitch tries again | ||
| ajmitch | sigh, I forgot that debian doesn't clean the ftp queue after a bad upload | 11:30 |
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| StevenK | Heh | 11:33 |
| === StevenK giggles at ajmitch. | ||
| StevenK | ajmitch: jennifer on spohr is only every 20 minutes. | 11:34 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: after a few hundred uploads to ubuntu, where you can upload as fast as you want, it spoils you | 11:34 |
| === StevenK is still waiting to be spoilt. ;-P | ||
| ajmitch | you'll get your turn | 11:35 |
| === StevenK works on another merge. | ||
| StevenK | ajmitch: Did you hear/see? offlineimap is in dapper. | 11:35 |
| StevenK | Well, my offlineimap. | 11:35 |
| ajmitch | well done :) | 11:37 |
| StevenK | But my address wasn't whitelisted, so I missed getting spoken to by Katie. | 11:40 |
| === StevenK wuvs Katie. | ||
| ajmitch | I'm sure you didn't miss much | 11:40 |
| StevenK | But ... but ... but ... my first message from the Ubuntu DAK install! | 11:40 |
| StevenK | (Katie is part of the reason I started Linda, btw.) | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | just bug elmo each day to whitelist you :) | 11:41 |
| StevenK | That may involve my key accidently disappearing from the keyring. :-) | 11:42 |
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| ajmitch | heh | 11:43 |
| siretart | ok. no lunch for today | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | then you could have the fun of getting a new key & bugging elmo all over again | 11:43 |
| === StevenK shivers. | ||
| zakame | hi | 11:45 |
| === StevenK notes pingus doesn't need any work at all. | ||
| ajmitch | we've managed to get lots of syncs | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | which means a lighter workload next time round | 11:45 |
| zakame | yup, it seems | 11:45 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: So I just ask elmo to sync pingus from unstable? | 11:45 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: if the ubuntu changes can be dropped, and the debian package works ok, then a MOTU can ask him | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | I think he ignores requests from non-MOTUs | 11:46 |
| StevenK | Awww. | 11:46 |
| === StevenK pouts. | ||
| StevenK | Let me try the straight Debian packages. | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | it's an incentive to become onw | 11:46 |
| ajmitch | s/onw/one/ | 11:46 |
| StevenK | Of course, but I don't want to get smacked down on my first attempt. | 11:47 |
| siretart | I'm going to create a motureviewers launchpad group now, okay? | 11:48 |
| zakame | oooh | 11:48 |
| StevenK | Whee. | 11:48 |
| ajmitch | siretart: ok | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | will we need to join it, or is the group just a formality? | 11:49 |
| siretart | hm. it needs a contact email adress | 11:49 |
| StevenK | universe-bugs :-P | 11:49 |
| ajmitch | another mailing list on tiber | 11:49 |
| siretart | StevenK: thats the problem: universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com is taken by the motu group | 11:50 |
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| siretart | StevenK: and lp does not allow to use the same email address by 2 groups | 11:50 |
| StevenK | Right. A sync isn't going to work. | 11:50 |
| siretart | okay, I'll create another mailling list on tiber, as ajmitch suggests | 11:50 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: good thing you didn't ask for one then | 11:51 |
| StevenK | Well, geez, I was going to try building it first. | 11:51 |
| StevenK | What do you think I am, a Mandrake developer? :-P | 11:51 |
| ajmitch | ah, mandrake.. | 11:52 |
| === ajmitch has fond memories of that | ||
| StevenK | *spit* | 11:52 |
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| ajmitch | StevenK: it was what drove me to debian | 11:53 |
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| StevenK | RedHat 7.0 sucking so hard drove me to hamm/slink. | 11:53 |
| StevenK | I never installed it, I was on RedHat 6.{1,2} at the time. | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | I stayed with mandrake right through till potato | 11:54 |
| StevenK | Dear me. | 11:54 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: When did you become a DD? | 11:55 |
| ajmitch | start of this year | 11:56 |
| ajmitch | so I'm quite new :) | 11:56 |
| azeem | Received application: 2001-12-11 | 11:57 |
| ajmitch | azeem: yes, I went on hold for a little while | 11:58 |
| === StevenK looks his up. | ||
| ajmitch | iirc you even sponsored 1 or 2 of my uploads | 11:58 |
| StevenK | Received application: 2001-07-12 | 11:58 |
| azeem | ajmitch: me? I remember some gnu.net stuff or whatever that is called, yeah | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 11:59 |
| azeem | or gnuenterprise? | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | dotgnu | 11:59 |
| azeem | right | 11:59 |
| ajmitch | jbailey sponsored most of my gnu enterprise uploads | 11:59 |
| === StevenK tries to stop getting distracted by pingus and fix his wifes machine. | ||
| azeem | StevenK: before to test the package before requesting a sync | 12:01 |
| azeem | eh | 12:01 |
| azeem | s/before/be sure/ | 12:01 |
| StevenK | azeem: It doesn't build anyway, so the point is moot. | 12:02 |
| azeem | ah | 12:02 |
| siretart | ajmitch: please proofread https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewers | 12:07 |
| dholbach | siretart: looks good | 12:10 |
| siretart | :) | 12:10 |
| Riddell | appreciate your work you -> appreciate the work you | 12:11 |
| siretart | my orthography really sucks. sorry :( | 12:12 |
| siretart | dholbach: now you and ubuntu-dev are administrators of that team | 12:14 |
| Riddell | "the study or use of correct spelling", well well, better volcabularly than me :) | 12:14 |
| dholbach | siretart: and you? | 12:14 |
| dholbach | Riddell: :) | 12:15 |
| siretart | dholbach: and me :) | 12:15 |
| === StevenK struggles to find a working floppy in the house. | ||
| siretart | dholbach: what about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToReview - I think that page can be deleted | 12:18 |
| dholbach | oooh yeah, we decided on that MUCH earlier :) | 12:19 |
| siretart | :) | 12:19 |
| dholbach | done | 12:19 |
| siretart | great | 12:19 |
| dholbach | motunewpackages too | 12:19 |
| siretart | how to delete wiki pages, btw? | 12:19 |
| dholbach | there's a dropdown menu | 12:20 |
| siretart | *selfslap* | 12:20 |
| siretart | how obvious | 12:20 |
| dholbach | how recent is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackages ? | 12:20 |
| dholbach | it's needed - i'm not discussing to throw it away :) | 12:20 |
| ajmitch | siretart: 'we have now a' is usually 'we now have a' | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | siretart: shall I just edit, or are you editing at the moment? | 12:21 |
| siretart | ajmitch: please edit it, yes | 12:21 |
| siretart | I'm not editing it atm | 12:21 |
| ajmitch | ok, done | 12:24 |
| StevenK | Right. Who last uploaded clanlib? | 12:24 |
| === ajmitch points fingers wildly | ||
| ajmitch | StevenK: problems with it? | 12:25 |
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| StevenK | Yes. | 12:25 |
| dholbach | linda is not happy with it? ;) | 12:26 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Either the libraries don't Provide the packages they Conflict/Replace, or libclanlib-dev's dependancy's need updating. | 12:26 |
| ajmitch | libclanlib-dev looks broken.. | 12:26 |
| StevenK | (And there doesn't seem to be Provides anywhere) | 12:26 |
| StevenK | And there *ought* to be. | 12:26 |
| ajmitch | why should there be Provides? | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | especially when there's an SONAME change | 12:27 |
| ajmitch | adding Provides is asking for trouble | 12:27 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Because the C++ transition says to put them in? | 12:29 |
| StevenK | At least, I think it does. | 12:29 |
| ajmitch | I hope not | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | ok, libclanlib-dev does depend on 2c2 packages in debian | 12:30 |
| ajmitch | so it should depend on the 2c2a packages | 12:30 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| StevenK | When that happens, pingus can be synced. | 12:30 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: You'll fix? | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | & then the patch for clanlib can be attached to #339157 | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 12:31 |
| StevenK | If I had upload rights, I'd do it. | 12:31 |
| ajmitch | done, will build, check & upload | 12:33 |
| ajmitch | one of the good things is that if we make mistakes, others can happily fix them :) | 12:34 |
| ajmitch | assuming they get caught before release | 12:34 |
| === StevenK nods. | ||
| ajmitch | NMUs in debian still carry a bit of a stigma | 12:35 |
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| ajmitch | siretart: can we subscribe to motu-reviewers? | 12:46 |
| === dholbach did so | ||
| === ajmitch is looking for somewhere to subscribe :) | ||
| ajmitch | I'm meaning to the mailing lsit | 12:47 |
| dholbach | ah right | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | so that we see when people want stuff reviewed | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | instead of checking a page somewhere | 12:47 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: clanlib still building.. | 12:48 |
| StevenK | Right. | 12:48 |
| StevenK | I coulda built it faster. :-P | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | probably | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | I've got a slow box | 12:48 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: I can show off ... | 12:48 |
| ajmitch | my box is > 3 years old now | 12:49 |
| ajmitch | it still pushes out packages, having 1GB RAM makes it bearable | 12:50 |
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| StevenK | ajmitch: So's this ... | 12:53 |
| siretart | ajmitch: of course you can, it is a public mailing list | 12:53 |
| ajmitch | siretart: sure, but where do I sign up? :) | 12:53 |
| siretart | ajmitch: I just linked the listinfo and web archives page | 12:53 |
| siretart | to MOTUReviewers | 12:54 |
| siretart | http://tauware.de/mailman/listinfo/motu-reviewers | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | ok, I see it now | 12:54 |
| ajmitch | I'm just blind | 12:54 |
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| siretart | so am I | 12:55 |
| siretart | sometimes ;) | 12:55 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: After clanlib is uploaded, how long does it take to hit the archive? | 12:58 |
| siretart | StevenK: cron.daily is run every 15 minutes | 12:58 |
| StevenK | Or should I give up on it for tonight? | 12:58 |
| === StevenK pays a little attention to the wriggly puppy on his lap. | ||
| siretart | StevenK: usually it takes about 1 or 2h to be on the mirrors, assuming that no NEW love is necessary (and package is not on dep-wait) | 12:59 |
| StevenK | Who'd like pictures? :-) | 12:59 |
| siretart | wriggly puppy? | 12:59 |
| ajmitch | and it'll get uploaded in a few minutes | 12:59 |
| StevenK | Yup. I have a 13 week old Manchester Terrier on my lap at the moment. | 01:00 |
| ajmitch | hah, nice :) | 01:00 |
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| StevenK | http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/photos/puppy-151005/ | 01:01 |
| StevenK | Those are a week or so old, and some of the shots are very crappy. | 01:01 |
| siretart | sweet :) | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | very nice | 01:01 |
| ajmitch | & one cat perched up high | 01:02 |
| StevenK | Yes. The cat knows how to get away. :-) | 01:03 |
| dholbach | StevenK: where are the pictures of things he? (she? couldn't see that bit on the pictures :-p) gnawed away? | 01:03 |
| StevenK | dholbach: He. And at the moment, he mostly gnaws on soft toys and pigs ears. They just look a little damp, so very boring. | 01:04 |
| dholbach | i see :) | 01:04 |
| dholbach | so no chair legs looking funny? no shoes gnawed away? :) | 01:04 |
| StevenK | Right! | 01:05 |
| === dholbach knows that all too well ;) | ||
| siretart | ah, ajmitch obviously found the subscription page :) | 01:05 |
| lucas | I uploaded a new motutools to REVU. would be cool if somebody could review it. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1036 | 01:05 |
| StevenK | dholbach: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/00001.jpg | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | siretart: eventually :) | 01:06 |
| StevenK | Crappy photo, but you get the point. :-) | 01:06 |
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| ajmitch | fyi, Subject: clanlib_0.6.5-1-3ubuntu3_source.changes ACCEPTED | 01:09 |
| StevenK | Whee | 01:09 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Mine? :-P | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | yep | 01:09 |
| dholbach | StevenK: i see :) | 01:10 |
| StevenK | Dear. I was joking. | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | now we wait patiently for the buildds | 01:14 |
| raphink | anyone has time to review a few packages? | 01:18 |
| raphink | ;) | 01:18 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: What are you still doing up? You usually bugger off to bed an hour ago? | 01:19 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: And my LiveJournal is boring, anyway. | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I don't know why I'm still awake actually | 01:20 |
| ajmitch | I'm not reading it right now :) | 01:20 |
| StevenK | :-P | 01:20 |
| StevenK | Right. My wife is dragging me away to watch some MASH | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | my condolences | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | night :) | 01:21 |
| StevenK | But, MASH is good! | 01:21 |
| StevenK | I'll be coming back. :-) | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | ah | 01:21 |
| ajmitch | mistake in clanlib | 01:22 |
| ajmitch | missing - in a package name | 01:22 |
| ajmitch | another upload round coming up :) | 01:22 |
| raphink | Microsoft Agent Scripting Helper ? | 01:22 |
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| StevenK | raphink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%2AA%2AS%2AH_%28TV_series%29 | 02:13 |
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| siretart | slomo: hi | 02:33 |
| siretart | slomo: do you know if rbelem actually wants to work on low latency patches for the linux kernel? | 02:33 |
| siretart | slomo: he put this on MOTUMedia | 02:33 |
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| slomo | siretart: no idea... let's ask him when he's here again | 02:34 |
| siretart | ok | 02:35 |
| siretart | I'm not too happy with the list of packages on MOTUMedia, actually.. | 02:35 |
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| siretart | because lists on the wiki tend to get outdated, and to be honest, I don't get the sense of them.. | 02:36 |
| zakame | hi again :) | 02:36 |
| StevenK | But lists on the wiki are fun! | 02:37 |
| slomo | siretart: yes, imho we can remove the list, maybe only as a wishlist but not to keep track of the current versions | 02:37 |
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| zakame | what list? | 02:37 |
| siretart | slomo: I think we should rather get https://launchpad.net/people/motumedia/+packages work | 02:38 |
| siretart | but I honestly don't know yet how to do it | 02:38 |
| slomo | siretart: afaik it's not usuable atm | 02:39 |
| siretart | slomo: for checking the latest version, we could install a script on tiber, which does uscan them on a regular basis | 02:39 |
| siretart | debian does this, iirc | 02:39 |
| slomo | siretart: yes, someone made a nice script for this... but i don't remember his name :( | 02:39 |
| slomo | lucas iirc | 02:40 |
| lucas | ? | 02:40 |
| siretart | that reminds me, I wanted to review his motutools package.. | 02:40 |
| lucas | siretart: good idea :) | 02:41 |
| lucas | slomo: my script doesn't uscan yet | 02:41 |
| siretart | lucas: I didn't take a closer look yet, but as said, I'm not happy with that dependency on ruby :( | 02:41 |
| lucas | slomo: it gets debian's and ubuntu's Sources files and parse them to retrieve the version numbers | 02:41 |
| siretart | lucas: at the first glance, the packaging itself looked fine | 02:42 |
| slomo | lucas: oh yes... right | 02:42 |
| lucas | siretart: as said on the wiki page, it's temporary until sbody rewrites the "mts" script in python | 02:42 |
| lucas | then, ruby1.8 can be moved from Depends to Recommends | 02:42 |
| siretart | lucas: yes, I know. I didn't find time to do it yet, because I really need to work on revu2 instead | 02:42 |
| lucas | I'll do that, but it's not my priority | 02:43 |
| lucas | currently I'm the only contributor and user, so this ruby1.8 dependancy doesn't bother me :-) | 02:43 |
| siretart | I see | 02:44 |
| siretart | but I think you also ship the lpbugs.py and fetchpackage scripts, do you? | 02:44 |
| lucas | no | 02:44 |
| siretart | hm | 02:45 |
| siretart | I see.. | 02:45 |
| lucas | my scripts currently aim at managing packages lists efficiently | 02:45 |
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| lucas | like: finding which packages are of interested for me, what are their versions in debian & ubuntu, etc. | 02:45 |
| lucas | there's an example on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools | 02:46 |
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| StevenK | lucas: You're the author of newmerge.py and friends? | 02:48 |
| lucas | no | 02:48 |
| janimo | anybody know what the resolution was regarding spurios config.{sub,guess} diffs because of them being regenerated on build? | 02:48 |
| lucas | I'm the author of what is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools | 02:48 |
| slomo | StevenK: did you already ask elmo to whitelist you for katie? | 02:48 |
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| janimo | and is there a req that autotools-dev is not to be BD: upon as it is always present? | 02:48 |
| StevenK | slomo: No, I haven't. | 02:49 |
| StevenK | Well, I have now. | 02:50 |
| StevenK | And with that, I bugger off to bed. | 02:50 |
| slomo | ok :) gn8 | 02:50 |
| siretart | gn8 StevenK | 02:50 |
| slomo | *sigh* already ~10 packages to sync... | 02:50 |
| zakame | janimo: if config.{g,s} gets copied back from /usr/share/misc via prebuild or clean... | 02:51 |
| zakame | gn8 StevenK | 02:51 |
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| janimo | zakame: so we can/should dep on autotools-dev in that case right? | 02:51 |
| janimo | it is not part of build-essential | 02:51 |
| janimo | ? | 02:51 |
| zakame | janimo: yup. see /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian :) | 02:53 |
| janimo | zakame, thanks | 02:53 |
| zakame | though sometimes merely copying those files isn't enough, sometimes there's a need for a full autotools rebuild too, but I think that's more a problem for the DD than for a motu :) | 02:56 |
| slomo | it's sometimes also a problem for us | 02:56 |
| slomo | and not too rarely ;) | 02:56 |
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| zakame | yes, when build fails :(( | 02:57 |
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| eruin | any known issues with xine / totem-xine atm? | 03:34 |
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| zakame | siretart: do I have to be subbed to motureviewers to use it, or only recommended? :) | 03:45 |
| eruin | http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5155 | 03:46 |
| eruin | should I file a bug? | 03:46 |
| eruin | not sure where to go with this since I'm using totem-xine ;) | 03:48 |
| raphink | maybe on #ubuntu-devel eruin | 03:49 |
| slomo | eruin: better file a bug | 03:49 |
| azeem | #ubuntu-devel isn't for general discussion about bugs | 03:49 |
| eruin | I thought they'd bite my head off if I came screaming in there ala "totem crashes!!" | 03:50 |
| eruin | slomo, malone, totem-xine? | 03:50 |
| slomo | eruin: only 'totem'... that's how the source package is named | 03:50 |
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| eruin | bear with me ;) | 03:51 |
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| eruin | filed as 5128 | 03:54 |
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| siretart | zakame: no, its note necessary. just assign bugs to motureviewers | 04:08 |
| siretart | it is not necessary | 04:08 |
| zakame | siretart: ok then. :D thanks :) | 04:09 |
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| zakame | err, where's gccmakedep? | 04:29 |
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| janimo | do you know whether auto syncing from debian stopped? The list archives was touched on Sat Nov 26 | 04:49 |
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| dholbach | janimo: i don't think so | 04:51 |
| janimo | dholbach, but MOM did stop? | 04:51 |
| dholbach | janimo: yes | 04:51 |
| dholbach | janimo: but will go on soon again | 04:52 |
| janimo | ok thanks | 04:52 |
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| lucas | I'd like libgtk-trayicon-ruby to be synch from debian. Who should I request this to ? (elmo ?) Who can do this ? (I'm not an Ubuntu member) | 04:57 |
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| ecobuntu | could someone running flight 1 answer my extremely trival rhythmbox question. i installed flight 1 because i wanted to check it out and i noticed a really cool french station on rhythmbox that was there as a default | 05:48 |
| ecobuntu | could someone tell me the URL | 05:48 |
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| ecobuntu | i have subsequently reinstalled breezy | 05:48 |
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| \sh | ecobuntu: #ubuntu please | 05:52 |
| ecobuntu | ok but no one was running dapper and i figured the likelihood was higher here | 05:52 |
| azeem | ecobuntu: you could just download and extract the rb .deb from dapper, and try to find the file which lists the radio stations | 05:53 |
| ecobuntu | thanks | 05:53 |
| ecobuntu | i'll give that a shot | 05:53 |
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| dholbach | ajmitch: having connection problems? | 06:05 |
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| ogra | dholbach, he's just bored and unplugs/replugs the cable all the time ;) | 06:12 |
| dholbach | i see | 06:12 |
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| \sh | uh...gambas has some nasty links | 06:13 |
| \sh | Makefile.am: ln -s $(DESTDIR)$(bindir)/gbx $(ROOT)/usr/bin/gbx; \ | 06:13 |
| \sh | bah | 06:13 |
| Seveas | eww | 06:13 |
| \sh | jepp...and looks like they're obsolete | 06:13 |
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| \sh | that is really weired | 06:16 |
| \sh | @if test "$(DESTDIR)$(bindir)" != "$(ROOT)/usr/bin" && test "$(DESTDIR)$(bindir)" != "$(ROOT)/usr/ | 06:16 |
| \sh | bin/"; then \ | 06:16 |
| Ubugtu | Error: No closing quotation | 06:16 |
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| Kyral | hey mitch | 06:33 |
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| Kyral | hey LJ | 06:34 |
| LaserJock | hi Kyral | 06:34 |
| Kyral | Anyone know how to detach and reattach a running irssi session? | 06:34 |
| azeem | screen does that | 06:35 |
| Kyral | so like if I had Irssi running on my home machine and SSH'd in from my laptop I could use that to send the irssi session to the SSH? | 06:36 |
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| azeem | yes | 06:36 |
| Kyral | very cool | 06:36 |
| Kyral | though I swore there was an Irssi command for it | 06:37 |
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| azeem | Kyral: maybe there is, but I am not aware of it | 06:37 |
| azeem | screen is a much more general solution, anyway | 06:37 |
| Kyral | so I start Irssi with screen, then manipulate it | 06:37 |
| azeem | you first start screen, then irssi from inside of it | 06:37 |
| Kyral | ah | 06:38 |
| Kyral | and to redirect it.. | 06:38 |
| azeem | then, you can detach it and reattach your screen session from another terminal | 06:38 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: ping? | 06:38 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: pong | 06:38 |
| Kyral | and when I am done I just detach it? | 06:38 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: are you going to be at the next CC meeting? I was thinking of going for membership | 06:38 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: i think so - when is it? | 06:39 |
| Kyral | Next Tuesday | 06:39 |
| dholbach | ah ok | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | 2005-12-06 14:00 | 06:39 |
| Kyral | GMT :P | 06:39 |
| dholbach | LaserJock: with whom did you work most in here? | 06:39 |
| Kyral | I need to see if I can show up | 06:39 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: not sure, crimsun did a lot of my merges | 06:40 |
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| Kyral | I didn't do any merges though | 06:42 |
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| Kyral | Most of my work is Forums based anyway | 06:46 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I work quite a bit with bddebian on breezy but he doesn't seem to be around much anymore | 06:49 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: could you look at my wiki page and see if it looks like I have enough? wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha | 06:51 |
| dholbach | i think for membership it should :) | 06:54 |
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| trevilor | hi guys | 06:54 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: ok good, I'm a little concerned about getting people to vouch for me though | 06:55 |
| lucas | dholbach: let's suppose there's a bug in a ruby package in breezy. | 06:55 |
| lucas | what are the options to fix it ? | 06:55 |
| ogra | file a bug, attach a patch, find a motu to upload it ... | 06:56 |
| dholbach | lucas: as ogra said :) | 06:56 |
| lucas | well, the bug is fixed in debian's version of the package | 06:56 |
| ogra | ... become a motu yourself and fix it directly the next time ;) | 06:57 |
| dholbach | lucas: then we do a merge | 06:57 |
| lucas | yes, but would it be fixed in breezy then ? | 06:57 |
| lucas | (I'm concerned about breezy, not dapper) | 06:57 |
| dholbach | we only get very tiny and safe fixes into the stable distribution | 06:57 |
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| ogra | you could ask for a backport | 06:57 |
| lucas | ok | 06:58 |
| dholbach | yeah, ubuntu-backports might be worth a try | 06:58 |
| ogra | if thats doable without heavy bootstrapping stuff ec | 06:58 |
| ogra | *etc | 06:58 |
| LaserJock | backports is only good if it just a rebuild | 06:58 |
| lucas | <dholbach> we only get very tiny and safe fixes into the stable distribution => which archive is used for that ? directly breezy ? | 06:58 |
| lucas | (there's no breezy-updates) | 06:59 |
| dholbach | same archive, different Packages.gz | 06:59 |
| dholbach | so you get it thorugh breezy-{updates,security,backports} rather than breezy | 07:00 |
| lucas | mmh | 07:01 |
| lucas | oh I thought there was no breezy-updates for universe | 07:01 |
| dholbach | it is for universe/multiverse/... | 07:02 |
| lucas | yup saw that | 07:02 |
| \sh | ok....sleeping now...good night...tomorrow i have to be again at 5 utc in the office :( | 07:06 |
| \sh | cu tomorrow | 07:06 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: I see you've been cleaning the wiki | 07:11 |
| dholbach | only a bit | 07:11 |
| dholbach | hi Tonio_ | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | hi dholbach | 07:12 |
| Tonio_ | fine ? | 07:12 |
| dholbach | yeah, only a bit tired and my back aches, apart from that fine - how are you? | 07:13 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I have a list on MOTU/DocTodo ;-) | 07:13 |
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| Tonio_ | dholbach: not very good.... personal problems at the moment | 07:13 |
| Tonio_ | dholbach: this is the reason i'm not present a lot... | 07:13 |
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| dholbach | LaserJock: looks good | 07:15 |
| dholbach | :) | 07:15 |
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| LaserJock | dholbach: There is a lot of work that can be done though. I wish I had more time to work on it :( | 07:16 |
| dholbach | that's a great start, we should find people agreeing to work on this | 07:17 |
| dholbach | if we could get this more recent, structure it better, that'd be great | 07:17 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: what I wanted to do is have a section that has the structure of the MOTU wiki pages kind of like what is there now | 07:19 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: and then at the top have individual pages with what work needs to be done on them | 07:19 |
| dholbach | that sounds cool | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: I am going to do that today | 07:20 |
| dholbach | and i hope we'll have a "directory structure" soon too | 07:20 |
| dholbach | but on that we should agree as a team | 07:20 |
| LaserJock | dholbach: btw, I also got Unfgiven's packaging guide on the doc-team repo. It is at doc.ubuntu.com | 07:20 |
| dholbach | yeah, cool | 07:21 |
| siretart | re from the pub | 07:22 |
| dholbach | :) | 07:24 |
| dholbach | good idea | 07:24 |
| dholbach | ;) | 07:24 |
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| LaserJock | lucas: I have a question about your scripts in motu-tools | 07:32 |
| lucas | yes ? | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | If I want to get the complete information do I need to get the list of source packages of interest from both debian and ubuntu? | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I guess I'm wondering about the list that I am filtering with | 07:35 |
| lucas | LaserJock: are you using motu-tools or motutools ? :) | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | lucas: right now I'm using motu-tools | 07:37 |
| lucas | you should look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools , which are more documented | 07:37 |
| lucas | and there's a step-by-step example too | 07:37 |
| siretart | holy sh.. | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | lucas: ok but in the example "mts depends --reverse libruby1.8 > binpkg" might give you a different package list depending on if you are on debian or ubuntu | 07:38 |
| siretart | have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/monotone/. monotone has 5mb orig.tar.gz, 100k diff.gz, but monotone_ubuntu.debdiff is 10MB! | 07:38 |
| lucas | LaserJock: true. | 07:38 |
| lucas | that's in the TODO list in scripts/depends.bash | 07:39 |
| lucas | the problem is, I'm using apt-rdepends to get the reverse deps | 07:39 |
| lucas | and apt-rdepends is broken in several ways | 07:39 |
| siretart | better use grep-dctrl for that | 07:39 |
| lucas | siretart: difficult. you have to handle stuff like Provides, Virtual packages, etc | 07:40 |
| lucas | it's not just a grep ;) | 07:40 |
| LaserJock | lucas: for what I'm doing (packages by section) I'm still not sure if I need the debian packages, ubuntu packages, or both. I think probably both | 07:40 |
| lucas | LaserJock: I'd like to have both too :-) | 07:40 |
| lucas | LaserJock: do you know perl ? | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | lucas: no just a little Python ;-) | 07:41 |
| lucas | ok | 07:41 |
| lucas | because apt-rdepends is written in perl | 07:41 |
| lucas | and I don't really understand it ... | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | lucas: but to be complete you still need to have the complete set of uniq packages for both Debian & Ubuntu for this to work right, right? | 07:43 |
| lucas | yup | 07:43 |
| LaserJock | ok, I just wanted to get that clarified | 07:44 |
| crimsun | siretart: monotone can be synced from Sid | 07:44 |
| crimsun | siretart: the changes in -ubuntu are trivial and have already been applied in Sid | 07:44 |
| siretart | crimsun: ah, sounds great. | 07:45 |
| siretart | crimsun: could you handle that then, please? | 07:45 |
| crimsun | siretart: sure | 07:45 |
| lucas | the package list you currently get is for ubuntu. there might be some packages in debian which would qualify but aren't listed. | 07:45 |
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| LaserJock | lucas: yeah, I can get either for the sections and I ran both debian and ubuntu lists through you scripts and the debian list worked better | 07:47 |
| LaserJock | because it is longer | 07:47 |
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| siretart | lucas: you could make your script not use the system configuration of apt but a user supplied config | 07:48 |
| lucas | apt-rdepends doesn't support that anyway | 07:49 |
| siretart | lucas: this would make it possible to use your tools in a breezy system producong lists frofrfor dapper | 07:49 |
| lucas | LaserJock: but you are interested in getting packages for a section ? or using deps ? | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | lucas: packages for a section | 07:50 |
| lucas | mmh, then "mts depends" is not what you want | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | lucas: I know, I wrote my own python script to get packages by section | 07:50 |
| lucas | mmh, could you branch from http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motutools ? | 07:51 |
| lucas | "mts update" retrieves Packages and Sources files for Debian unstable and Ubuntu dapper | 07:51 |
| lucas | in ~/.motutools/ | 07:51 |
| lucas | so you could parse those files instead | 07:51 |
| LaserJock | lucas: but your getting your package list from the current user distro so isn't that a potential problem | 07:52 |
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| herve | hell | 07:52 |
| herve | +o... | 07:52 |
| lucas | I'm not. | 07:52 |
| lucas | for "mts depends", I call apt-rdepends | 07:52 |
| lucas | apt-rdepends reads /etc/apt/sources.list, which sucks, because you can't use debian's Packages instead. | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | that's what I'm saying | 07:53 |
| lucas | but you could write "mts section" and read ~/.motutools/debian_Packages | 07:53 |
| lucas | "mts update" downloads from Debian & Ubuntu mirrors | 07:53 |
| LaserJock | so far in my script I get everything from the Source.gz files downloaded from the mirros | 07:54 |
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| lucas | ok, so it should be very easy to use ~/.motutools/debian_Sources instead | 07:55 |
| lucas | (or ubuntu_Sources) | 07:55 |
| LaserJock | right, I need to get some polish on it and then I will see about getting into mts. Right now its not ready though | 07:55 |
| lucas | ok | 07:56 |
| Kyral | can I motion for libxmms-perl to be renamed to xmms-perl? | 07:58 |
| lucas | Kyral: I'm curious: what's the rationale behind the renaming ? | 07:58 |
| Kyral | because the error msgs regarding missing it always reference by "XMMS:Perl" | 07:59 |
| Kyral | and if you apt-cache for it as that it doesn't come up | 07:59 |
| crimsun | please read Debian's perl policy. | 07:59 |
| Kyral | I should have known there was a policy | 07:59 |
| Kyral | lol | 08:00 |
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| lucas | Kyral: you could patch debian/control to add XMMS::perl swhere in the description | 08:03 |
| Kyral | Yah I think I should :D | 08:03 |
| ajmitch | morning | 08:03 |
| Kyral | But who would I ping for it | 08:03 |
| ogra | Kyral, the DD | 08:04 |
| Kyral | Stephen Frost it seems | 08:04 |
| ogra | mail him | 08:04 |
| ogra | or submit a bug with a fix ... | 08:04 |
| Kyral | Yah I like the bug route :D | 08:05 |
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| Kyral | for some stupid reason I get all anx about emailing people out of the blue or somethin' :D | 08:05 |
| Mithrandir | if the module is called XMMS::perl, then the package should actually be called libxmms-perl-perl according to policy. | 08:05 |
| Kyral | lol | 08:05 |
| Kyral | Actually there is something I've been meaning to ask... | 08:08 |
| Kyral | nm I just answered it myself lol | 08:09 |
| Kyral | wait a sec....when is the next CC meeting again? the 12th? | 08:13 |
| ajmitch | 06 Dec 14:00 UTC: | 08:13 |
| Kyral | oh wow....whew for a second I thought it was the 12. I have a final on that day lol | 08:14 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: seriously, you need a day timer or a pda or something ;-) | 08:14 |
| Kyral | I know :P | 08:14 |
| Kyral | Its supposed to be Evolution | 08:14 |
| Kyral | but I keep forgetting to put things in lol | 08:15 |
| Kyral | I should use my Launchpad Calandar :D | 08:16 |
| Kyral | Its not like I am using it now :D | 08:18 |
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| Kyral | Now you people can stalk me lol :P | 08:23 |
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| slomo_ | crimsun: thanks for getting my merges done ;P | 08:29 |
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| ajmitch | yay, massive sync processing by elmo | 08:45 |
| Kyral | horray! | 08:45 |
| Kyral | the command to start eterm is eterm right? | 08:54 |
| crimsun | Eterm I thought | 08:54 |
| Kyral | .....damn case-sensitivity | 08:55 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: alright, I added myself to the agenda for the next CC meeting. If you can make it great, if not I will try to make it to your CC meeting. | 09:23 |
| Kyral | kk | 09:23 |
| ajmitch | ah, LaserJock is brave enough to run the gauntlet | 09:25 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: well, I wasn't in a big hurry but the doc-team needs me to be a member for svn access | 09:25 |
| Kyral | I've been ready :D | 09:26 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: what contributions do you have to show over a length of time? | 09:26 |
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| ajmitch | hm | 09:27 |
| LaserJock | lol, I think his is counting on his ubuntuforums work. He has over 2000 posts if I remember right | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | that might help, depending on what they look for | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I tend to be quite conservative about these things, but the doc-team pushed me into it ;-) | 09:28 |
| azeem | I am sure they will be glad to review them all ;) | 09:28 |
| LaserJock | azeem: lol | 09:29 |
| === ajmitch imagines mako sitting down & reviewing every forum post | ||
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| ajmitch | morning StevenK | 09:29 |
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| ajmitch | up early this morning :) | 09:29 |
| StevenK | Just dropped my wife at the station. | 09:30 |
| StevenK | No point going back to bed, if my alarm is going to wake me up in 10 minutes. :-/ | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | sad to say I woke up at 7am | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | considering I got to sleep about 2 | 09:30 |
| StevenK | Yeah ... | 09:31 |
| LaserJock | yeah, the CC meeting is going to be at 0600 local time so I hope I won't sound stupid | 09:31 |
| crimsun | yeah, 9am for me | 09:31 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: your network was quite unwell :) | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: I know, I woke up this morning to see a few disconnections | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | rather strange | 09:32 |
| StevenK | That's the song for me at the moment. | 09:33 |
| StevenK | Megadeth - Wake Up Dead | 09:33 |
| === herve writing his letter to santa claus ;-) | ||
| Kyral | lol | 09:33 |
| StevenK | LaserJock: The coming CC meeting is 0100 local for me. Part of the reason I'm skipping it. | 09:34 |
| Kyral | The coming CC meeting is at 1100 for me | 09:34 |
| LaserJock | StevenK: yeah, although I think I could do 0100 better than 0600 | 09:34 |
| Nafallo | herve: don't he got e-mail yet? :-) | 09:34 |
| herve | it seems so, I'm writing one! | 09:35 |
| LaserJock | should have an RSS feed | 09:35 |
| Kyral | lol | 09:35 |
| Nafallo | hehe :-) | 09:35 |
| herve | actually, it's rather a fifo list | 09:35 |
| Kyral | lol | 09:35 |
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| StevenK | Whee, another package is in the archive. | 09:37 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: put yourself forward for the members launchpad team? | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: ubuntumembers yes | 09:38 |
| ajmitch | ok | 09:38 |
| LaserJock | I also put my name on the agenda. I hope that is the right process | 09:39 |
| Kyral | hmm | 09:39 |
| Kyral | I shall try lol I may be late | 09:40 |
| ajmitch | hi \sh | 09:40 |
| Kyral | secretly running irssi in the middle of class | 09:40 |
| \sh | 3h of sleep and I woke up again.. | 09:41 |
| Kyral | go back to bed | 09:41 |
| dholbach | drink something and go back to bed | 09:41 |
| ajmitch | \sh: ouch, you're worse than me (5 hours) | 09:42 |
| dholbach | (non-alcoholic :)) | 09:42 |
| \sh | dholbach: i'll check the syncs now :) | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | hm, so many apps to rebuild for c++ evils | 09:42 |
| dholbach | ts.......... | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | I wonder who's handling inkscape | 09:42 |
| ajmitch | which was probably waiting on gtkmm | 09:43 |
| StevenK | Awwwww. | 09:43 |
| dholbach | go ahead | 09:43 |
| dholbach | should be fine now | 09:43 |
| StevenK | libclanlib-dev is still broken. | 09:43 |
| dholbach | gtkmm2.4 is done | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: surely not? what's the problem? | 09:43 |
| StevenK | libclanlib-dev: Depends: libclan2c2a-vorbis but it is not installable | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | sigh | 09:43 |
| StevenK | Package libclan2c2a-vorbis is not available, but is referred to by another package. | 09:43 |
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| ajmitch | libclan2c2-vorbis didn't get renamed | 09:44 |
| ajmitch | and I missed it | 09:44 |
| ajmitch | that'll teach me | 09:44 |
| StevenK | Well, the only way to test this is stuff the binaries on a private repository and then point apt-get at it. | 09:45 |
| StevenK | s/\(this\) is/\1/ | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | and I was in a rush at 1:30 this morning :) | 09:46 |
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| dholbach | good night, everybody | 09:52 |
| LaserJock | good night dholbach | 09:53 |
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| herve | siretart, ping | 09:56 |
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| \sh | hmmm...If I say in debian/control: Build-Depends: foo [i386] means please use this build-dep only on i386? | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | yes | 10:32 |
| \sh | thx I only wanted to be sure | 10:32 |
| \sh | so...if I change firebird2-dev [i386] the resulting binary package needs only to be there in Architecture: 386 | 10:34 |
| \sh | i386 even | 10:34 |
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| Mithrandir | correct | 10:36 |
| \sh | well..but the buildd is not correct.. | 10:39 |
| \sh | because amd64 is explicit mentioned in firebird2 | 10:39 |
| sivang | night all | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | night | 10:45 |
| LaserJock | guys, do you think that a packaging guide would be useful to have in a .deb? | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | like intro developer docs? | 10:48 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: actually yes, the doc-team is wondering if we want to include it in their package | 10:48 |
| herve | good night | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | you have seen the intro developer docs, right? | 10:48 |
| === ajmitch is just wondering how your one is different | ||
| LaserJock | ajmitch: that is what it is. I have added it to the doc-team repo and it can be found at doc.ubuntu.com | 10:49 |
| \sh | ogra: can it be that i'm totally clueless, or this guy has no clue about the flow of his software? | 10:49 |
| ogra | who ? | 10:50 |
| \sh | ogra: mike hearn | 10:50 |
| ogra | he is Mr. autopackage iirc | 10:51 |
| === ajmitch shudders | ||
| ogra | might tell something | 10:51 |
| \sh | ogra: and one of the wine upstreams? | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | yes | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | he is | 10:51 |
| \sh | oh my god | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: the intro docs that ankur did were meant to be in breezy | 10:51 |
| \sh | please remove wine from the archive, | 10:51 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: right, well now they are going to be in dapper | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | \sh: ok, we'll forward all requests for it to you ;) | 10:52 |
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| LaserJock | well since introdeveloperdocs was being packaged can I assume that it would be ok to package it now? | 10:54 |
| ajmitch | go ahead | 10:54 |
| \sh | ajmitch: really...thinking about his attitude and this thoughts,it should be the best to include an empty package with only one shell script inside: wine and as output: upstream likes you to compile his source by yourself...because he doesn't trust anyone else...because we are clueless | 10:54 |
| Nafallo | \sh++ | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | go go gentoo! | 10:55 |
| \sh | ajmitch: even gentoo is evil | 10:55 |
| \sh | ajmitch: they're patching wine ,) | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 10:56 |
| ajmitch | LFS all the way | 10:56 |
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| ajmitch | I need to be able to test stuff | 10:57 |
| ajmitch | before I do more broken uploads ;) | 10:57 |
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| ajmitch | I think we're going for a record with clanlib to get it working properly | 11:00 |
| ajmitch | siretart: more fluidsynth changes to make :) | 11:14 |
| === ajmitch needs to fix it for scummvm - libreadline4-dev has been removed | ||
| ajmitch | and there's a new debian revision | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | yay | 11:14 |
| siretart | ajmitch: huh? | 11:18 |
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| ajmitch | siretart: your 'No changes left to debian' in the changelog :) | 11:21 |
| ajmitch | now we have to add changes again | 11:21 |
| === siretart checks | ||
| ajmitch | hm, perhaps I can get away with a sync | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | Depends: libfluidsynth1 (= 1.0.6-3ubuntu2), libreadline4-dev, libncurses5-dev | 11:22 |
| siretart | ajmitch: ah. Now I see. | 11:22 |
| siretart | ajmitch: if there was a newer debian version, I would have requested a sync | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | there is now | 11:23 |
| siretart | ajmitch: but afair, there wasn't that time | 11:23 |
| siretart | okay. then request a sync :) | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | so a rebuild should get the right readline dep | 11:23 |
| === ajmitch will once I test :) | ||
| ajmitch | unless you'd like to do so now | 11:23 |
| siretart | jupp | 11:24 |
| === ajmitch waits for pbuilder | ||
| \sh | ogra: a Q is missing in this nice and shiny font? | 11:29 |
| ogra | heh, yupp | 11:35 |
| \sh_away | ogra: but this is normal...Q has to be missing, because Q comes and goes whenever it wants. Q is the uber Race | 11:36 |
| ajmitch | ok, fluidsynth build from debian looks like it works | 11:37 |
| Seveas | \sh, roflol | 11:40 |
| Seveas | the font looks really nice though | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | Seveas: you did revelation on REVU, right? | 11:40 |
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| Seveas | ajmitch, yes | 11:40 |
| LaserJock | do you guys rember what the Hoary pre release cd's were called? Was it array? | 11:40 |
| ajmitch | well 0.4.5-2 source is in dapper | 11:40 |
| Seveas | and gnome-vfs-fuse which should be nuked immediately | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | but ftbfs due to python2.3 deps | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | I've fixed it locally | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | Seveas: ok, I'll rm gnome-vfs-fuse then | 11:41 |
| Seveas | ajmitch, ah, missed that one in dapper | 11:41 |
| ajmitch | it was synced after your revu upload | 11:42 |
| Seveas | right | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | do you want the honour of fixing revelation or shall I just upload? :) | 11:42 |
| Seveas | ah well, nuke that one too then :) | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | k :) | 11:42 |
| Seveas | I'll upload gnome-vfs-fuse again when I completely rewrote it | 11:42 |
| ajmitch | heh | 11:43 |
| Seveas | really - don't even LOOK at it | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | I didn't | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | I just hit archive | 11:43 |
| Seveas | btw, I'll have ultimatestunts finished too in a few days | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | we've got a long list of stuff on REVU to review & get in | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:43 |
| Seveas | and libsexy :) | 11:43 |
| tseng | sigh, libsexy | 11:43 |
| ajmitch | we need more MOTUs reviewing :) | 11:44 |
| Seveas | tseng, ? | 11:44 |
| tseng | "what is an even dumber name than libegg?" | 11:44 |
| Seveas | hehe | 11:44 |
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| \sh | tseng: libchicken | 11:48 |
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| lucas | ajmitch: why don't you allow reviews from contributors ? | 11:52 |
| LaserJock | lucas: cause they don't count, just kidding ;-) | 11:53 |
| ajmitch | lucas: excuse me? | 11:54 |
| lucas | if you want more reviews of REVU stuff, you could let contributors post comments on uploads | 11:54 |
| ajmitch | I thought contibutors could, actually | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | they just can't vote | 11:55 |
| lucas | they can only post comments on their own uploads | 11:55 |
| lucas | huh ? | 11:55 |
| lucas | DateReviewerComment AdvocatingActions | 11:55 |
| lucas | Sorry, Commenting for contributors only on their own uploads | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | It still takes MOTUs to advocate so I don't know if it would speed along the proccess | 11:56 |
| lucas | well it would allow contributors to pick up mistakes | 11:58 |
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| lucas | so the package would improve faster | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | perhaps, unless they are wrong ;-) | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | lucas: so, it might be changed | 11:58 |
| ajmitch | but I haven't hacked on revu1 :) | 11:59 |
| lucas | LaserJock: I was thinking about your "get packages for section X" script | 12:00 |
| LaserJock | lucas: yeah? | 12:00 |
| lucas | I don't think you need python for it. grep-dctrl should be enough | 12:00 |
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| LaserJock | lucas: your right but I was trying to eliminate the need for using too many programs | 12:02 |
| lucas | well, this package is for developers | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | lucas: right now I could do it on windows if I wanted to | 12:03 |
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