[12:15] <sistpoty> args... libghemical0 *is* evil :(
[12:19] <Kyral> why is that
[12:20] <sistpoty> it links agains c++ and is being built by g++-3.4... and g++-3.4 is not only used by libghemical0 but also gets drawn in by one build-depends which is some fortran stuff
[12:20] <sistpoty> and still I don't have much of a clue
[12:20] <Kyral> ouch
[12:21] <sistpoty> at least i now know where ghemicals random segfaults come from *g*
[12:21] <Kyral> Is this for the MOTUScience team?
[12:21] <sistpoty> oh, is there a MOTUSciences team?
[12:22] <Kyral> wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUScience
[12:22] <sistpoty> he, seems i missed that ;)
[12:23] <sistpoty> at least I know where to call for help now... thx Kyral :)
[12:24] <Kyral> Hey its led by two newbies :P
[12:25] <sistpoty> *g*
[12:28] <Kyral> lol
[12:28] <ajmitch> sistpoty: delegate ;)
[12:28] <ajmitch> sistpoty: probably something to talk to azeem about anyway
[12:28] <sistpoty> ajmitch: i will :)
[12:29] <Kyral> Well, we have a MOTU on the team, but AFAIK LJ and I have done the most work
[12:53] <azeem> sistpoty: can't do much about the fortran stuff in ghemical
[12:54] <azeem> sistpoty: however, the new ghemical version doesn't segfault anymore, I put up breezy packages at people.debian.org/~mbanck/ubuntu-breezy
[12:54] <sistpoty> azeem: do you know whether fortran stuff is c only or using c++ as well?
[12:55] <azeem> c only?
[12:57] <sistpoty> azeem: i just tried to figure out if the fortran-libs need to be compiled with gfortran to get rid of gcc-3.4
[12:58] <sistpoty> azeem: if these don't depend on any specific c++-stuff, it should be safe to leave them as is
[12:58] <azeem> I don't think they depend on c++ stuff
[12:58] <sistpoty> that's good :)
[01:01] <sistpoty> azeem: for your new packages: will libghemical be compiled with g++4?
[01:02] <azeem> yes
[01:03] <sistpoty> azeem: ok, then I guess I'll wait for these to hit unstable and request a sync... ok?
[01:03] <azeem> sure
[01:03] <sistpoty> cool, thx :)
[01:05] <ajmitch> sistpoty: see, delegation is great ;)
[01:06] <sistpoty> ajmitch: it is, thx for the introduction :)
[01:22] <sistpoty> ajmitch: do you think we should bump standards-version for a merge (if appropriate and there are other changes as well)?
[01:24] <ajmitch> only if it's reasonable to do so
[01:24] <ajmitch> if it were the only change I woudn't :)
[01:24] <ajmitch> & if you do the proper upgrade check
[01:25] <sistpoty> hm... i personally wouldn't even if i did other changes, to keep the delta as small as possible... but I'm just thinking of sponsoring an upload for zakame
[01:28] <ajmitch> I'd stay away from making the change usually
[01:58] <hub> can someone please push libiptcdata from REVU?
[01:58] <hub> it as lost its vote because I updated the distribution field
[02:28] <sistpoty> hub: i just took a glimpse at libiptcdata... please check the -dbg library, which has strange contents
[02:29] <sistpoty> hub: /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/libiptcdata.so.0.3.0
[02:30] <sistpoty> hub: otherwise it's really nice :)
[02:30] <ajmitch> still awake, sistpoty ? :)
[02:30] <sistpoty> ajmitch: yep... but not for long
[02:35] <sistpoty> hub: and another thing: the -doc package installs to /usr/share/gtk-doc/... intended?
[02:45] <hub> sistpoty: oh
[02:45] <hub> crap
[02:45] <hub> sistpoty: that is where the upstream installs
[02:45] <hub> sistpoty: the docs
[02:46] <sistpoty> hub: maybe you could change this ;)
[02:47] <sistpoty> ok, now i really need some sleep... gn8 everyone
[02:51] <hub> make sense
[04:41] <Kyral> hey LJ
[04:44] <LaserJock> Hi Kyral
[04:45] <Kyral> how goes it
[04:49] <LaserJock> well, kinda busy right now. I finally heard from the guy who made the original Packaging Guide right after I just had it put in the doc team repo. Oh, and I spent 3 1/2 hr at Walmart getting a flat tire fixed >:-(
[04:50] <Kyral> lol
[04:51] <ajmitch> ah, the fun of walmart
[04:52] <LaserJock> well, at least it was free
[04:52] <LaserJock> my wife was about to go ballistic
[04:53] <Kyral> lol
[04:53] <LaserJock> she had had enough of Walmart after the 1st hour :-)
[04:54] <ajmitch> since we 'sadly' don't have them in NZ ;)
[04:54] <LaserJock> then I got home and my brother from WA called and said that the graphics card I got with him didn't work
[04:55] <Kyral> lol
[04:55] <LaserJock> oh and the memory we got didn't work either
[04:56] <magnon> morning guys
[04:56] <magnon> hey andrew
[04:56] <LaserJock> all I can say is the Dell Dimension 3000 is no fun
[04:56] <ajmitch> hey magnon
[04:56] <magnon> my laptop should be back soon so I can get work done again
[04:56] <magnon> silly apple
[04:57] <StevenK> Wheee, my first merge has been uploaded!
[04:57] <StevenK> But I'm not whitelisted, so I didn't see the mail. :-(
[04:57] <lifeless> ajmitch: so, I want to become an ubuntu 'member'
[04:58] <lifeless> ajmitch: and then MOTU
[04:58] <ajmitch> lifeless: excellent..
[04:58] <lifeless> I've wikied my obvious stuff up
[04:58] <lifeless> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobertCollins
[04:58] <magnon> argh. stupid outlook. why on earth does it decide to download every single email from an imap server_
[04:59] <lifeless> probably your IMAP ids changed
[04:59] <ajmitch> lifeless: you have the advantage of having been drinking with the CC & TB members :)
[04:59] <magnon> first time I added the account, so no
[04:59] <lifeless> magnon: in which case its at a minimum scanning the headers, and possibly more depending on your settings
[04:59] <lifeless> ajmitch: true, but there is due process
[05:00] <Jimbob> magnon: If it didn't, then it couldn't create a massive 1GB file of all your stuff -- and loose it all it when it hits a bad sector on the disk :-)
[05:00] <lifeless> ajmitch: putting in 'been drinking with Mark' isn't /exactly/ a 'contribution'
[05:00] <StevenK> Heh, it could work in your favour. :-)
[05:00] <magnon> lifeless: I never configure, I assume sane defaults. And it downloads everything, which is insane :)
[05:00] <lifeless> StevenK: ;)
[05:00] <ajmitch> no, but being a DD can probably help
[05:01] <ajmitch> lifeless: if you've got time & are willing to help out in general, we're mainly doing merges at the moment
[05:01] <lifeless> ajmitch: anyway, you're closer to this bit of the process than I am regularly : am I in the right ballpark, or should I put in a dedicated weekend or two bugfixing not-stuff-I-maintain ?
[05:01] <lifeless> ajmitch: I am happy to help out in general, for sure.
[05:02] <ajmitch> a bit of time getting some fixes in will work in your favour
[05:02] <ajmitch> mako has been turning people away that have done lots, but over a short time
[05:02] <ajmitch> for ubuntu membership
[05:03] <lifeless> see, maybe I'm being harsh, but I fix lots of bugs: often before they hit ubuntu ;)
[05:03] <lifeless> but I'm not claiming those as contributions, it seems wrong to me to do so.
[05:03] <ajmitch> which is good, but it depends whether they see that :)
[05:03] <lifeless> yah
[05:03] <StevenK> I'm going to skip this CC meeting and put my name down for the next one.
[05:03] <StevenK> Then we'll see what Mako has to say. :-)
[05:03] <Kyral> Membership?
[05:04] <lifeless> http://www.ubuntulinux.org/community/processes/newmember
[05:04] <Kyral> I know what it is
[05:05] <Kyral> I was asking if StevenK was going for it
[05:05] <lifeless> heh, the ? was ambiguous then
[05:05] <Kyral> I plan to go for it the soonest I don't have class during a Meeting
[05:06] <ajmitch> at the moment there's nothing else I can go for, except fixing more bugs & getting new things in
[05:06] <StevenK> Kyral: Not this meeting (which is 6/12), but the one after
[05:06] <Kyral> yah
[05:43] <StevenK> Can I close Malone bugs in an upload?
[05:43] <StevenK> A'la: (Closes: #235433) in the changelog for Debian.
[05:56] <crimsun> StevenK: no, hasn't been coupled yet (I do miss that feature)
[06:36] <StevenK> crimsun: So noted. I'll note the bug number in the changelog anyway.
[07:05] <viviersf> yo yo
[07:05] <ajmitch> hi
[07:14] <StevenK> Oh. The debdiff between ntop 3.0-3ubuntu1 and ntop 3.2ubuntu1 is 7Mb.
[07:33] <ajmitch> I think the smaller debdiff is probably more useful
[07:33] <ajmitch> just as a guess
[07:36] <zakame> hello
[07:38] <minghua> StevenK: I would always post the debdiff between debian and new ubuntu
[07:42] <zakame> hey minghua :D how's the merging?
[07:43] <minghua> zakame: I didn't do much with merging last week
[07:44] <minghua> zakame: I got the scim package in Debian ready for the libstdc++ transition though
[07:55] <zakame> woo
[08:12] <zakame> slomo_: ping, got a sec for hardware-monitor? :)
[08:21] <drbyte> hello MOTUs
[08:21] <drbyte> i have a problem with one of your packages *grin*
[08:22] <zakame> ooh
[08:27] <drbyte> gforge
[08:27] <drbyte> its got a dependency loop
[08:28] <zakame> can you fix it? :) a debdiff or two might make motus jump for joy :p
[08:29] <drbyte> hmm. if you guys are willing to help (i'm really a fedora developer, not a DD), i'll take a gander in a bit
[08:29] <zakame> cool!
[08:31] <drbyte> ok, well, i'll be fiddling with it today/tmrw then
[08:31] <minghua> drbyte: is there already a bug filed?
[08:32] <drbyte> minghua: i haven't actually checked. i found this last week, but i've had a lot of work to do since then. i have a few moments now, so i'm about to be checking
[08:37] <minghua> drbyte: thanks.  if you file a bug that explain the situation clearly, I think it won't be hard for some MOTU to get a patch out even if you can't
[08:37] <zakame> checking https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gforge
[08:37] <drbyte> minghua: i'm sure i can get a patch out... i just have to learn a bit about these magical debian/rules and what not ...
[08:37] <drbyte> i'm used to spec files
[08:39] <StevenK> drbyte: The problem is more than likely in debian/control.
[08:39] <drbyte> StevenK: see, toldja its new
[08:39] <drbyte> i've got some stuff to do atm, i'll come back later and prod ok. thanks
[08:56] <zakame> err, is libmagick6-dev dropped?  I've got a b-d to it from nip2, won't build
[09:01] <zakame> there's libmagick9-dev which seems to replace 6, but libvips10-dev needs 6
[09:14] <zakame> never mind...
[09:45] <siretart> morning
[09:45] <crimsun> morning
[09:45] <crimsun> vlc_0.8.4.debian-1ubuntu1 uploaded :))
[09:47] <lucas> hi
[09:47] <lucas> somebody has some time to review motutools ? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1036
[09:53] <dholbach> hello
[09:54] <crimsun> re daniel
[09:55] <dholbach> hey crimsun :)
[09:56] <zakame> heya dholbach :)
[09:56] <dholbach> hey zakame :)
[10:05] <ajmitch> hi
[10:06] <siretart> morning ajmitch ;) hi *
[10:06] <siretart> has anybody heared about OpenC++?
[10:07] <sivang> morning all
[10:09] <zakame> er
[10:11] <Tonio_> morning all
[10:12] <zakame> hi Tonio_
[10:12] <Tonio_> hi zakame
[10:57] <\sh> moins
[11:01] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[11:02] <ajmitch> crimsun: seen keybuk's mail about wpasupplicant?
[11:03] <crimsun> ajmitch: n'yet, doing work stuff atm
[11:03] <ajmitch> k
[11:04] <\sh> ajmitch: oh well...I'm since 5:00 UTC in the office...and already worked...waiting now for one more meeting and after that I'm going home and sleep...
[11:04] <ajmitch> *ouch*
[11:04] <crimsun> ajmitch: thanks
[11:04] <ajmitch> & that was late for me, because I was moving an install of our app from 1 server to another
[11:05] <\sh> ajmitch: lets wait for elmo...he has to do a lot of syncs for me :)
[11:05] <ajmitch> yeah, I've seen a huge list you asked for ;)
[11:05] <ajmitch> I'm taking things easy at the moment, sorry
[11:06] <\sh> ajmitch: no problem at all...I was just burning ,)
[11:12] <dholbach> do we all agree on dropping http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUPackages ?
[11:12] <ajmitch> yes
[11:12] <ajmitch> it's very obsolete
[11:12] <dholbach> done
[11:13] <siretart> dholbach: while you are at it, I think the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseUnmetDeps is obsolete, too
[11:13] <ajmitch> about the only thing I used it for was noting what packages I cared for in debian
[11:13] <dholbach> and we should move to a MOTU/* structure :)
[11:13] <siretart> dholbach: I think we should drop the lower part (as noted on the page)
[11:13] <ajmitch> but noone would look at MOTUPackages to know to not trample on my packages ;)
[11:14] <siretart> ajmitch: I think we should have something like http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=ajmitch@debian.org for universe
[11:14] <\sh> well...I will write a spec today (later this day) for bjornT_ to have a support tracker system related to teams.
[11:14] <siretart> hi \sh
[11:14] <siretart> \sh: that would be awesome
[11:14] <ajmitch> siretart: something like that
[11:14] <dholbach> siretart: sounds ok, to drop it... we just need a way to say "i work on this" or "this patch needs review"
[11:14] <ajmitch> \sh: if we can get it related to default bug assignment ,it would be great
[11:15] <ajmitch> dholbach: malone!
[11:15] <dholbach> maybe we should have a tag on malone for that
[11:15] <ajmitch> well
[11:15] <dholbach> RequestedReview or something
[11:15] <siretart> we basically need a list of malone bugs
[11:15] <\sh> ajmitch: well...first of all....the support tracker should handle "UniverseCandidates" requests by ubuntu/ubuntu users
[11:15] <siretart> non motus should imo attach debdiffs to malone bugs, which are linked in one central place
[11:15] <dholbach> \sh: then we need a way to filter
[11:15] <\sh> ajmitch: secondly for unmet deps...we should use malone...
[11:15] <siretart> perhaps we can script something small on tiber for that
[11:16] <ajmitch> \sh: I agree
[11:16] <siretart> dholbach: filtering what exactly?
[11:16] <\sh> dholbach: which is on the todo of LP guys...because filtering is just not working because of the load
[11:16] <ajmitch> malone works much much better than the wiki, even with its flaws
[11:16] <\sh> dholbach: right now, I can't encourage people to use the "PendingUpload" flag...because we never find it again
[11:16] <dholbach> \sh, siretart: \sh wants to put UniverseCandidates on the support tracker - i just said, that we *then* needed filtering
[11:17] <siretart> dholbach: filtering in malone works by creating a new group for the task, and assigning bugs to that group
[11:17] <\sh> dholbach: u know that support tracker is something else...and it's not possible right now, to file support request against a team...that's what we have to change
[11:17] <ajmitch> dholbach: I will
[11:17] <siretart> dholbach: I think we should to it both for .debdiff attachments and for UniverseCandidates
[11:17] <siretart> dholbach: thats easy
[11:17] <ajmitch> dholbach: some days I'd rather review stuff than burn through merges ;)
[11:17] <siretart> dholbach: the group ubuntu-developers will be in the MOTUReviewers Team
[11:18] <dholbach> siretart: i don't think they want to be bothered by those "bugs"
[11:18] <siretart> dholbach: they will be not
[11:18] <siretart> dholbach: it is to get this list: http://launchpad.net/people/motureviewers/+assignedbugs
[11:19] <siretart> dholbach: thats the only reliable way for filtering bugs in malone for now
[11:19] <dholbach> please list all the new teams on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTeams
[11:20] <siretart> ubuntu-developers will not be bugged by this list. in fact, it does not matter who joins this team. it is just for bug sorting
[11:20] <dholbach> thanks
[11:20] <siretart> if nobody does first
[11:20] <siretart> if nobody does earlier
[11:20] <dholbach> siretart: and yes, the lower part of universeunmetdeps seems ready to go
[11:20] <siretart> does anyone object on the approach?
[11:20] <ajmitch> siretart: no
[11:20] <siretart> ok
[11:21] <ajmitch> siretart: we can't argue with a main uploader ;)
[11:21] <siretart> ajmitch: sorry?
[11:21] <ajmitch> don't worry, I was just kidding
[11:21] <siretart> (I mean, all 4 persons in this discussion are main uploads)
[11:21] <siretart> main uploaders
[11:21] <ajmitch> yep
[11:21] <siretart> ok
[11:22] <ajmitch> a good number of MOTUs are now
[11:22] <siretart> I think thats good
[11:22] <ajmitch> yes
[11:22] <ajmitch> it shows we're not just 2nd rate hacks :)
[11:23] <ajmitch> and that we do have a clue, even \sh :)
[11:23] <\sh> hehehe
[11:23] <siretart> :)
[11:24] <ajmitch> ubuntu has spoilt me with quick response times
[11:25] <ajmitch> argh
[11:25] <ajmitch> gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
[11:25] <ajmitch> (Exit status 2)
[11:25] <ajmitch> f-spot_0.1.3-2_i386.changes has bad PGP/GnuPG signature!
[11:25] <ajmitch> signed with wrong key
[11:30] <ajmitch> sigh, I forgot that debian doesn't clean the ftp queue after a bad upload
[11:33] <StevenK> Heh
[11:34] <StevenK> ajmitch: jennifer on spohr is only every 20 minutes.
[11:34] <ajmitch> StevenK: after a few hundred uploads to ubuntu, where you can upload as fast as you want, it spoils you
[11:35] <ajmitch> you'll get your turn
[11:35] <StevenK> ajmitch: Did you hear/see? offlineimap is in dapper.
[11:35] <StevenK> Well, my offlineimap.
[11:37] <ajmitch> well done :)
[11:40] <StevenK> But my address wasn't whitelisted, so I missed getting spoken to by Katie.
[11:40] <ajmitch> I'm sure you didn't miss much
[11:40] <StevenK> But ... but ... but ... my first message from the Ubuntu DAK install!
[11:40] <StevenK> (Katie is part of the reason I started Linda, btw.)
[11:41] <ajmitch> just bug elmo each day to whitelist you :)
[11:42] <StevenK> That may involve my key accidently disappearing from the keyring. :-)
[11:43] <ajmitch> heh
[11:43] <siretart> ok. no lunch for today
[11:43] <ajmitch> then you could have the fun of getting a new key & bugging elmo all over again
[11:45] <zakame> hi
[11:45] <ajmitch> we've managed to get lots of syncs
[11:45] <ajmitch> which means a lighter workload next time round
[11:45] <zakame> yup, it seems
[11:45] <StevenK> ajmitch: So I just ask elmo to sync pingus from unstable?
[11:46] <ajmitch> StevenK: if the ubuntu changes can be dropped, and the debian package works ok, then a MOTU can ask him
[11:46] <ajmitch> I think he ignores requests from non-MOTUs
[11:46] <StevenK> Awww.
[11:46] <StevenK> Let me try the straight Debian packages.
[11:46] <ajmitch> it's an incentive to become onw
[11:46] <ajmitch> s/onw/one/
[11:47] <StevenK> Of course, but I don't want to get smacked down on my first attempt.
[11:48] <siretart> I'm going to create a motureviewers launchpad group now, okay?
[11:48] <zakame> oooh
[11:48] <StevenK> Whee.
[11:49] <ajmitch> siretart: ok
[11:49] <ajmitch> will we need to join it, or is the group just a formality?
[11:49] <siretart> hm. it needs a contact email adress
[11:49] <StevenK> universe-bugs :-P
[11:49] <ajmitch> another mailing list on tiber
[11:50] <siretart> StevenK: thats the problem: universe-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com is taken by the motu group
[11:50] <siretart> StevenK: and lp does not allow to use the same email address by 2 groups
[11:50] <StevenK> Right. A sync isn't going to work.
[11:50] <siretart> okay, I'll create another mailling list on tiber, as ajmitch suggests
[11:51] <ajmitch> StevenK: good thing you didn't ask for one then
[11:51] <StevenK> Well, geez, I was going to try building it first.
[11:51] <StevenK> What do you think I am, a Mandrake developer? :-P
[11:52] <ajmitch> ah, mandrake..
[11:52] <StevenK> *spit*
[11:53] <ajmitch> StevenK: it was what drove me to debian
[11:53] <StevenK> RedHat 7.0 sucking so hard drove me to hamm/slink.
[11:54] <StevenK> I never installed it, I was on RedHat 6.{1,2} at the time.
[11:54] <ajmitch> I stayed with mandrake right through till potato
[11:54] <StevenK> Dear me.
[11:55] <StevenK> ajmitch: When did you become a DD?
[11:56] <ajmitch> start of this year
[11:56] <ajmitch> so I'm quite new :)
[11:57] <azeem> Received application: 2001-12-11
[11:58] <ajmitch> azeem: yes, I went on hold for a little while
[11:58] <ajmitch> iirc you even sponsored 1 or 2 of my uploads
[11:58] <StevenK> Received application: 2001-07-12
[11:58] <azeem> ajmitch: me?  I remember some gnu.net stuff or whatever that is called, yeah
[11:59] <ajmitch> yeah
[11:59] <azeem> or gnuenterprise?
[11:59] <ajmitch> dotgnu
[11:59] <azeem> right
[11:59] <ajmitch> jbailey sponsored most of my gnu enterprise uploads
[12:01] <azeem> StevenK: before to test the package before requesting a sync
[12:01] <azeem> eh
[12:01] <azeem> s/before/be sure/
[12:02] <StevenK> azeem: It doesn't build anyway, so the point is moot.
[12:02] <azeem> ah
[12:07] <siretart> ajmitch: please proofread https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReviewers
[12:10] <dholbach> siretart: looks good
[12:10] <siretart> :)
[12:11] <Riddell> appreciate your work you -> appreciate the work you
[12:12] <siretart> my orthography really sucks. sorry :(
[12:14] <siretart> dholbach: now you and ubuntu-dev are administrators of that team
[12:14] <Riddell> "the study or use of correct spelling", well well, better volcabularly than me :)
[12:14] <dholbach> siretart: and you?
[12:15] <dholbach> Riddell: :)
[12:15] <siretart> dholbach: and me :)
[12:18] <siretart> dholbach: what about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToReview - I think that page can be deleted
[12:19] <dholbach> oooh yeah, we decided on that MUCH earlier :)
[12:19] <siretart> :)
[12:19] <dholbach> done
[12:19] <siretart> great
[12:19] <dholbach> motunewpackages too
[12:19] <siretart> how to delete wiki pages, btw?
[12:20] <dholbach> there's a dropdown menu
[12:20] <siretart> *selfslap*
[12:20] <siretart> how obvious
[12:20] <dholbach> how recent is: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseNewPackages ?
[12:20] <dholbach> it's needed - i'm not discussing to throw it away :)
[12:21] <ajmitch> siretart: 'we have now a' is usually 'we now have a'
[12:21] <ajmitch> siretart: shall I just edit, or are you editing at the moment?
[12:21] <siretart> ajmitch: please edit it, yes
[12:21] <siretart> I'm not editing it atm
[12:24] <ajmitch> ok, done
[12:24] <StevenK> Right. Who last uploaded clanlib?
[12:25] <ajmitch> StevenK: problems with it?
[12:25] <StevenK> Yes.
[12:26] <dholbach> linda is not happy with it? ;)
[12:26] <StevenK> ajmitch: Either the libraries don't Provide the packages they Conflict/Replace, or libclanlib-dev's dependancy's need updating.
[12:26] <ajmitch> libclanlib-dev looks broken..
[12:26] <StevenK> (And there doesn't seem to be Provides anywhere)
[12:26] <StevenK> And there *ought* to be.
[12:27] <ajmitch> why should there be Provides?
[12:27] <ajmitch> especially when there's an SONAME change
[12:27] <ajmitch> adding Provides is asking for trouble
[12:29] <StevenK> ajmitch: Because the C++ transition says to put them in?
[12:29] <StevenK> At least, I think it does.
[12:30] <ajmitch> I hope not
[12:30] <ajmitch> ok, libclanlib-dev does depend on 2c2 packages in debian
[12:30] <ajmitch> so it should depend on the 2c2a packages
[12:30] <StevenK> When that happens, pingus can be synced.
[12:31] <StevenK> ajmitch: You'll fix?
[12:31] <ajmitch> & then the patch for clanlib can be attached to #339157
[12:31] <ajmitch> yeah
[12:31] <StevenK> If I had upload rights, I'd do it.
[12:33] <ajmitch> done, will build, check & upload
[12:34] <ajmitch> one of the good things is that if we make mistakes, others can happily fix them :)
[12:34] <ajmitch> assuming they get caught before release
[12:35] <ajmitch> NMUs in debian still carry a bit of a stigma
[12:46] <ajmitch> siretart: can we subscribe to motu-reviewers?
[12:47] <ajmitch> I'm meaning to the mailing lsit
[12:47] <dholbach> ah right
[12:47] <ajmitch> so that we see when people want stuff reviewed
[12:47] <ajmitch> instead of checking a page somewhere
[12:48] <ajmitch> StevenK: clanlib still building..
[12:48] <StevenK> Right.
[12:48] <StevenK> I coulda built it faster. :-P
[12:48] <ajmitch> probably
[12:48] <ajmitch> I've got a slow box
[12:48] <StevenK> ajmitch: I can show off ...
[12:49] <ajmitch> my box is > 3 years old now
[12:50] <ajmitch> it still pushes out packages, having 1GB RAM makes it bearable
[12:53] <StevenK> ajmitch: So's this ...
[12:53] <siretart> ajmitch: of course you can, it is a public mailing list
[12:53] <ajmitch> siretart: sure, but where do I sign up? :)
[12:53] <siretart> ajmitch: I just linked the listinfo and web archives page
[12:54] <siretart> to MOTUReviewers
[12:54] <siretart> http://tauware.de/mailman/listinfo/motu-reviewers
[12:54] <ajmitch> ok, I see it now
[12:54] <ajmitch> I'm just blind
[12:55] <siretart> so am I
[12:55] <siretart> sometimes ;)
[12:58] <StevenK> ajmitch: After clanlib is uploaded, how long does it take to hit the archive?
[12:58] <siretart> StevenK: cron.daily is run every 15 minutes
[12:58] <StevenK> Or should I give up on it for tonight?
[12:59] <siretart> StevenK: usually it takes about 1 or 2h to be on the mirrors, assuming that no NEW love  is necessary (and package is not on dep-wait)
[12:59] <StevenK> Who'd like pictures? :-)
[12:59] <siretart> wriggly puppy?
[12:59] <ajmitch> and it'll get uploaded in a few minutes
[01:00] <StevenK> Yup. I have a 13 week old Manchester Terrier on my lap at the moment.
[01:00] <ajmitch> hah, nice :)
[01:01] <StevenK> http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/photos/puppy-151005/
[01:01] <StevenK> Those are a week or so old, and some of the shots are very crappy.
[01:01] <siretart> sweet :)
[01:01] <ajmitch> very nice
[01:02] <ajmitch> & one cat perched up high
[01:03] <StevenK> Yes. The cat knows how to get away. :-)
[01:03] <dholbach> StevenK: where are the pictures of things he? (she? couldn't see that bit on the pictures :-p) gnawed away?
[01:04] <StevenK> dholbach: He. And at the moment, he mostly gnaws on soft toys and pigs ears. They just look a little damp, so very boring.
[01:04] <dholbach> i see :)
[01:04] <dholbach> so no chair legs looking funny? no shoes gnawed away? :)
[01:05] <StevenK> Right!
[01:05] <siretart> ah, ajmitch obviously found the subscription page :)
[01:05] <lucas> I uploaded a new motutools to REVU. would be cool if somebody could review it. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1036
[01:06] <StevenK> dholbach: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/00001.jpg
[01:06] <ajmitch> siretart: eventually :)
[01:06] <StevenK> Crappy photo, but you get the point. :-)
[01:09] <ajmitch> fyi, Subject: clanlib_0.6.5-1-3ubuntu3_source.changes ACCEPTED
[01:09] <StevenK> Whee
[01:09] <StevenK> ajmitch: Mine? :-P
[01:09] <ajmitch> yep
[01:10] <dholbach> StevenK: i see :)
[01:11] <StevenK> Dear. I was joking.
[01:14] <ajmitch> now we wait patiently for the buildds
[01:18] <raphink> anyone has time to review a few packages?
[01:18] <raphink> ;)
[01:19] <StevenK> ajmitch: What are you still doing up? You usually bugger off to bed an hour ago?
[01:20] <StevenK> ajmitch: And my LiveJournal is boring, anyway.
[01:20] <ajmitch> yeah, I don't know why I'm still awake actually
[01:20] <ajmitch> I'm not reading it right now :)
[01:20] <StevenK> :-P
[01:21] <StevenK> Right. My wife is dragging me away to watch some MASH
[01:21] <ajmitch> my condolences
[01:21] <ajmitch> night :)
[01:21] <StevenK> But, MASH is good!
[01:21] <StevenK> I'll be coming back. :-)
[01:21] <ajmitch> ah
[01:22] <ajmitch> mistake in clanlib
[01:22] <ajmitch> missing - in a package name
[01:22] <ajmitch> another upload round coming up :)
[01:22] <raphink> Microsoft Agent Scripting Helper ?
[02:13] <StevenK> raphink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%2AA%2AS%2AH_%28TV_series%29
[02:33] <siretart> slomo: hi
[02:33] <siretart> slomo: do you know if rbelem actually wants to work on low latency patches for the linux kernel?
[02:33] <siretart> slomo: he put this on MOTUMedia
[02:34] <slomo> siretart: no idea... let's ask him when he's here again
[02:35] <siretart> ok
[02:35] <siretart> I'm not too happy with the list of packages on MOTUMedia, actually..
[02:36] <siretart> because lists on the wiki tend to get outdated, and to be honest, I don't get the sense of them..
[02:36] <zakame> hi again :)
[02:37] <StevenK> But lists on the wiki are fun!
[02:37] <slomo> siretart: yes, imho we can remove the list, maybe only as a wishlist but not to keep track of the current versions
[02:37] <zakame> what list?
[02:38] <siretart> slomo: I think we should rather get https://launchpad.net/people/motumedia/+packages work
[02:38] <siretart> but I honestly don't know yet how to do it
[02:39] <slomo> siretart: afaik it's not usuable atm
[02:39] <siretart> slomo: for checking the latest version, we could install a script on tiber, which does uscan them on a regular basis
[02:39] <siretart> debian does this, iirc
[02:39] <slomo> siretart: yes, someone made a nice script for this... but i don't remember his name :(
[02:40] <slomo> lucas iirc
[02:40] <lucas> ?
[02:40] <siretart> that reminds me, I wanted to review his motutools package..
[02:41] <lucas> siretart: good idea :)
[02:41] <lucas> slomo: my script doesn't uscan yet
[02:41] <siretart> lucas: I didn't take a closer look yet, but as said, I'm not happy with that dependency on ruby :(
[02:41] <lucas> slomo: it gets debian's and ubuntu's Sources files and parse them to retrieve the version numbers
[02:42] <siretart> lucas: at the first glance, the packaging itself looked fine
[02:42] <slomo> lucas: oh yes... right
[02:42] <lucas> siretart: as said on the wiki page, it's temporary until sbody rewrites the "mts" script in python
[02:42] <lucas> then, ruby1.8 can be moved from Depends to Recommends
[02:42] <siretart> lucas: yes, I know. I didn't find time to do it yet, because I really need to work on revu2 instead
[02:43] <lucas> I'll do that, but it's not my priority
[02:43] <lucas> currently I'm the only contributor and user, so this ruby1.8 dependancy doesn't bother me :-)
[02:44] <siretart> I see
[02:44] <siretart> but I think you also ship the lpbugs.py and fetchpackage scripts, do you?
[02:44] <lucas> no
[02:45] <siretart> hm
[02:45] <siretart> I see..
[02:45] <lucas> my scripts currently aim at managing packages lists efficiently
[02:45] <lucas> like: finding which packages are of interested for me, what are their versions in debian & ubuntu, etc.
[02:46] <lucas> there's an example on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools
[02:48] <StevenK> lucas: You're the author of newmerge.py and friends?
[02:48] <lucas> no
[02:48] <janimo> anybody know what the resolution was regarding spurios config.{sub,guess} diffs because of them being regenerated on build?
[02:48] <lucas> I'm the author of what is on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools
[02:48] <slomo> StevenK: did you already ask elmo to whitelist you for katie?
[02:48] <janimo> and is there a req that autotools-dev is not to be BD: upon as it is always present?
[02:49] <StevenK> slomo: No, I haven't.
[02:50] <StevenK> Well, I have now.
[02:50] <StevenK> And with that, I bugger off to bed.
[02:50] <slomo> ok :) gn8
[02:50] <siretart> gn8 StevenK
[02:50] <slomo> *sigh* already ~10 packages to sync...
[02:51] <zakame> janimo: if config.{g,s} gets copied back from /usr/share/misc via prebuild or clean...
[02:51] <zakame> gn8 StevenK
[02:51] <janimo> zakame: so we can/should dep on autotools-dev in that case right?
[02:51] <janimo> it is not part of build-essential
[02:51] <janimo> ?
[02:53] <zakame> janimo: yup. see /usr/share/doc/autotools-dev/README.Debian :)
[02:53] <janimo> zakame, thanks
[02:56] <zakame> though sometimes merely copying those files isn't enough, sometimes there's a need for a full autotools rebuild too, but I think that's more a problem for the DD than for a motu :)
[02:56] <slomo> it's sometimes also a problem for us
[02:56] <slomo> and not too rarely ;)
[02:57] <zakame> yes, when build fails :((
[03:34] <eruin> any known issues with xine / totem-xine atm?
[03:45] <zakame> siretart: do I have to be subbed to motureviewers to use it, or only recommended? :)
[03:46] <eruin> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5155
[03:46] <eruin> should I file a bug?
[03:48] <eruin> not sure where to go with this since I'm using totem-xine ;)
[03:49] <raphink> maybe on #ubuntu-devel eruin
[03:49] <slomo> eruin: better file a bug
[03:49] <azeem> #ubuntu-devel isn't for general discussion about bugs
[03:50] <eruin> I thought they'd bite my head off if I came screaming in there ala "totem crashes!!"
[03:50] <eruin> slomo, malone, totem-xine?
[03:50] <slomo> eruin: only 'totem'... that's how the source package is named
[03:51] <eruin> bear with me ;)
[03:54] <eruin> filed as 5128
[04:08] <siretart> zakame: no, its note necessary. just assign bugs to motureviewers
[04:08] <siretart> it is not necessary
[04:09] <zakame> siretart: ok then. :D thanks :)
[04:29] <zakame> err, where's gccmakedep?
[04:49] <janimo> do you know whether auto syncing from debian stopped? The list archives was touched on Sat Nov 26
[04:51] <dholbach> janimo: i don't think so
[04:51] <janimo> dholbach, but MOM did stop?
[04:51] <dholbach> janimo: yes
[04:52] <dholbach> janimo: but will go on soon again
[04:52] <janimo> ok thanks
[04:57] <lucas> I'd like libgtk-trayicon-ruby to be synch from debian. Who should I request this to ? (elmo ?) Who can do this ? (I'm not an Ubuntu member)
[05:48] <ecobuntu> could someone running flight 1 answer my extremely trival rhythmbox question.  i installed flight 1 because i wanted to check it out and i noticed a really cool french station on rhythmbox that was there as a default
[05:48] <ecobuntu> could someone tell me the URL
[05:48] <ecobuntu> i have subsequently reinstalled breezy
[05:52] <\sh> ecobuntu: #ubuntu please
[05:52] <ecobuntu> ok but no one was running dapper and i figured the likelihood was higher here
[05:53] <azeem> ecobuntu: you could just download and extract the rb .deb from dapper, and try to find the file which lists the radio stations
[05:53] <ecobuntu> thanks
[05:53] <ecobuntu> i'll give that a shot
[06:05] <dholbach> ajmitch: having connection problems?
[06:12] <ogra> dholbach, he's just bored and unplugs/replugs the cable all the time ;)
[06:12] <dholbach> i see
[06:13] <\sh> uh...gambas has some nasty links
[06:13] <\sh> Makefile.am:     ln -s $(DESTDIR)$(bindir)/gbx $(ROOT)/usr/bin/gbx; \
[06:13] <\sh> bah
[06:13] <Seveas> eww
[06:13] <\sh> jepp...and looks like they're obsolete
[06:16] <\sh> that is really weired
[06:16] <\sh> @if test "$(DESTDIR)$(bindir)" != "$(ROOT)/usr/bin" && test "$(DESTDIR)$(bindir)" != "$(ROOT)/usr/
[06:16] <\sh> bin/"; then \
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Error: No closing quotation
[06:33] <Kyral> hey mitch
[06:34] <Kyral> hey LJ
[06:34] <LaserJock> hi Kyral
[06:34] <Kyral> Anyone know how to detach and reattach a running irssi session?
[06:35] <azeem> screen does that
[06:36] <Kyral> so like if I had Irssi running on my home machine and SSH'd in from my laptop I could use that to send the irssi session to the SSH?
[06:36] <azeem> yes
[06:36] <Kyral> very cool
[06:37] <Kyral> though I swore there was an Irssi command for it
[06:37] <azeem> Kyral: maybe there is, but I am not aware of it
[06:37] <azeem> screen is a much more general solution, anyway
[06:37] <Kyral> so I start Irssi with screen, then manipulate it
[06:37] <azeem> you first start screen, then irssi from inside of it
[06:38] <Kyral> ah
[06:38] <Kyral> and to redirect it..
[06:38] <azeem> then, you can detach it and reattach your screen session from another terminal
[06:38] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[06:38] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[06:38] <Kyral> and when I am done I just detach it?
[06:38] <LaserJock> dholbach: are you going to be at the next CC meeting? I was thinking of going for membership
[06:39] <dholbach> LaserJock: i think so - when is it?
[06:39] <Kyral> Next Tuesday
[06:39] <dholbach> ah ok
[06:39] <LaserJock> 2005-12-06 14:00
[06:39] <Kyral> GMT :P
[06:39] <dholbach> LaserJock: with whom did you work most in here?
[06:39] <Kyral> I need to see if I can show up
[06:40] <LaserJock> dholbach: not sure, crimsun did a lot of my merges
[06:42] <Kyral> I didn't do any merges though
[06:46] <Kyral> Most of my work is Forums based anyway
[06:49] <LaserJock> dholbach: I work quite a bit with bddebian on breezy but he doesn't seem to be around much anymore
[06:51] <LaserJock> dholbach: could you look at my wiki page and see if it looks like I have enough? wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha
[06:54] <dholbach> i think for membership it should :)
[06:54] <trevilor> hi guys
[06:55] <LaserJock> dholbach: ok good, I'm a little concerned about getting people to vouch for me though
[06:55] <lucas> dholbach: let's suppose there's a bug in a ruby package in breezy.
[06:55] <lucas> what are the options to fix it ?
[06:56] <ogra> file a bug, attach a patch, find a motu to upload it ...
[06:56] <dholbach> lucas: as ogra said :)
[06:56] <lucas> well, the bug is fixed in debian's version of the package
[06:57] <ogra> ... become a motu yourself and fix it directly the next time ;)
[06:57] <dholbach> lucas: then we do a merge
[06:57] <lucas> yes, but would it be fixed in breezy then ?
[06:57] <lucas> (I'm concerned about breezy, not dapper)
[06:57] <dholbach> we only get very tiny and safe fixes into the stable distribution
[06:57] <ogra> you could ask for a backport
[06:58] <lucas> ok
[06:58] <dholbach> yeah, ubuntu-backports might be worth a try
[06:58] <ogra> if thats doable without heavy bootstrapping stuff ec
[06:58] <ogra> *etc
[06:58] <LaserJock> backports is only good if it just a rebuild
[06:58] <lucas>  <dholbach> we only get very tiny and safe fixes into the stable distribution => which archive is used for that ? directly breezy ?
[06:59] <lucas> (there's no breezy-updates)
[06:59] <dholbach> same archive, different Packages.gz
[07:00] <dholbach> so you get it thorugh breezy-{updates,security,backports} rather than breezy
[07:01] <lucas> mmh
[07:01] <lucas> oh I thought there was no breezy-updates for universe
[07:02] <dholbach> it is for universe/multiverse/...
[07:02] <lucas> yup saw that
[07:06] <\sh> ok....sleeping now...good night...tomorrow i have to be again at 5 utc in the office :(
[07:06] <\sh> cu tomorrow
[07:11] <LaserJock> dholbach: I see you've been cleaning the wiki
[07:11] <dholbach> only a bit
[07:12] <dholbach> hi Tonio_
[07:12] <Tonio_> hi dholbach
[07:12] <Tonio_> fine ?
[07:13] <dholbach> yeah, only a bit tired and my back aches, apart from that fine - how are you?
[07:13] <LaserJock> dholbach: I have a list on MOTU/DocTodo ;-)
[07:13] <Tonio_> dholbach: not very good.... personal problems at the moment
[07:13] <Tonio_> dholbach: this is the reason i'm not present a lot...
[07:15] <dholbach> LaserJock: looks good
[07:15] <dholbach> :)
[07:16] <LaserJock> dholbach: There is a lot of work that can be done though. I wish I had more time to work on it :(
[07:17] <dholbach> that's a great start, we should find people agreeing to work on this
[07:17] <dholbach>  if we could get this more recent, structure it better, that'd be great
[07:19] <LaserJock> dholbach: what I wanted to do is have a section that has the structure of the MOTU wiki pages kind of like what is there now
[07:19] <LaserJock> dholbach: and then at the top have individual pages with what work needs to be done on them
[07:20] <dholbach> that sounds cool
[07:20] <LaserJock> dholbach: I am going to do that today
[07:20] <dholbach> and i hope we'll have a "directory structure" soon too
[07:20] <dholbach> but on that we should agree as a team
[07:20] <LaserJock> dholbach: btw, I also got Unfgiven's packaging guide on the doc-team repo. It is at doc.ubuntu.com
[07:21] <dholbach> yeah, cool
[07:22] <siretart> re from the pub
[07:24] <dholbach> :)
[07:24] <dholbach> good idea
[07:24] <dholbach> ;)
[07:32] <LaserJock> lucas: I have a question about your scripts in motu-tools
[07:32] <lucas> yes ?
[07:33] <LaserJock> If I want to get the complete information do I need to get the list of source packages of interest from both debian and ubuntu?
[07:35] <LaserJock> lucas: I guess I'm wondering about the list that I am filtering with
[07:36] <lucas> LaserJock: are you using motu-tools or motutools ? :)
[07:37] <LaserJock> lucas: right now I'm using motu-tools
[07:37] <lucas> you should look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUTools , which are more documented
[07:37] <lucas> and there's a step-by-step example too
[07:38] <siretart> holy sh..
[07:38] <LaserJock> lucas: ok but in the example "mts depends --reverse libruby1.8 > binpkg" might give you a different package list depending on if you are on debian or ubuntu
[07:38] <siretart> have a look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/monotone/. monotone has 5mb orig.tar.gz, 100k diff.gz, but monotone_ubuntu.debdiff is 10MB!
[07:38] <lucas> LaserJock: true.
[07:39] <lucas> that's in the TODO list in scripts/depends.bash
[07:39] <lucas> the problem is, I'm using apt-rdepends to get the reverse deps
[07:39] <lucas> and apt-rdepends is broken in several ways
[07:39] <siretart> better use grep-dctrl for that
[07:40] <lucas> siretart: difficult. you have to handle stuff like Provides, Virtual packages, etc
[07:40] <lucas> it's not just a grep ;)
[07:40] <LaserJock> lucas: for what I'm doing (packages by section) I'm still not sure if I need the debian packages, ubuntu packages, or both. I think probably both
[07:40] <lucas> LaserJock: I'd like to have both too :-)
[07:41] <lucas> LaserJock: do you know perl ?
[07:41] <LaserJock> lucas: no just a little Python ;-)
[07:41] <lucas> ok
[07:41] <lucas> because apt-rdepends is written in perl
[07:41] <lucas> and I don't really understand it ...
[07:43] <LaserJock> lucas: but to be complete you still need to have the complete set of uniq packages for both Debian & Ubuntu for this to work right, right?
[07:43] <lucas> yup
[07:44] <LaserJock> ok, I just wanted to get that clarified
[07:44] <crimsun> siretart: monotone can be synced from Sid
[07:44] <crimsun> siretart: the changes in -ubuntu are trivial and have already been applied in Sid
[07:45] <siretart> crimsun: ah, sounds great.
[07:45] <siretart> crimsun: could you handle that then, please?
[07:45] <crimsun> siretart: sure
[07:45] <lucas> the package list you currently get is for ubuntu. there might be some packages in debian which would qualify but aren't listed.
[07:47] <LaserJock> lucas: yeah, I can get either for the sections and I ran both debian and ubuntu lists through you scripts and the debian list worked better
[07:47] <LaserJock> because it is longer
[07:48] <siretart> lucas: you could make your script not use the system configuration of apt but a user supplied config
[07:49] <lucas> apt-rdepends doesn't support that anyway
[07:49] <siretart> lucas: this would make it possible to use your tools in a breezy system producong lists frofrfor dapper
[07:50] <lucas> LaserJock: but you are interested in getting packages for a section ? or using deps ?
[07:50] <LaserJock> lucas: packages for a section
[07:50] <lucas> mmh, then "mts depends" is not what you want
[07:50] <LaserJock> lucas: I know, I wrote my own python script to get packages by section
[07:51] <lucas> mmh, could you branch from http://ox.blop.info/bazaar/motutools ?
[07:51] <lucas> "mts update" retrieves Packages and Sources files for Debian unstable and Ubuntu dapper
[07:51] <lucas> in ~/.motutools/
[07:51] <lucas> so you could parse those files instead
[07:52] <LaserJock> lucas: but your getting your package list from the current user distro so isn't that a potential problem
[07:52] <herve> hell
[07:52] <herve> +o...
[07:52] <lucas> I'm not.
[07:52] <lucas> for "mts depends", I call apt-rdepends
[07:53] <lucas> apt-rdepends reads /etc/apt/sources.list, which sucks, because you can't use debian's Packages instead.
[07:53] <LaserJock> that's what I'm saying
[07:53] <lucas> but you could write "mts section" and read ~/.motutools/debian_Packages
[07:53] <lucas> "mts update" downloads from Debian & Ubuntu mirrors
[07:54] <LaserJock> so far in my script I get everything from the Source.gz files downloaded from the mirros
[07:55] <lucas> ok, so it should be very easy to use ~/.motutools/debian_Sources instead
[07:55] <lucas> (or ubuntu_Sources)
[07:55] <LaserJock> right, I need to get some polish on it and then I will see about getting into mts. Right now its not ready though
[07:56] <lucas> ok
[07:58] <Kyral> can I motion for libxmms-perl to be renamed to xmms-perl?
[07:58] <lucas> Kyral: I'm curious: what's the rationale behind the renaming ?
[07:59] <Kyral> because the error msgs regarding missing it always reference by "XMMS:Perl"
[07:59] <Kyral> and if you apt-cache for it as that it doesn't come up
[07:59] <crimsun> please read Debian's perl policy.
[07:59] <Kyral> I should have known there was a policy
[08:00] <Kyral> lol
[08:03] <lucas> Kyral: you could patch debian/control to add XMMS::perl swhere in the description
[08:03] <Kyral> Yah I think I should :D
[08:03] <ajmitch> morning
[08:03] <Kyral> But who would I ping for it
[08:04] <ogra> Kyral, the DD
[08:04] <Kyral> Stephen Frost it seems
[08:04] <ogra> mail him
[08:04] <ogra> or submit a bug with a fix ...
[08:05] <Kyral> Yah I like the bug route :D
[08:05] <Kyral> for some stupid reason I get all anx about emailing people out of the blue or somethin' :D
[08:05] <Mithrandir> if the module is called XMMS::perl, then the package should actually be called libxmms-perl-perl according to policy.
[08:05] <Kyral> lol
[08:08] <Kyral> Actually there is something I've been meaning to ask...
[08:09] <Kyral> nm I just answered it myself lol
[08:13] <Kyral> wait a sec....when is the next CC meeting again? the 12th?
[08:13] <ajmitch> 06 Dec 14:00 UTC:
[08:14] <Kyral> oh wow....whew for a second I thought it was the 12. I have a final on that day lol
[08:14] <LaserJock> Kyral: seriously, you need a day timer or a pda or something ;-)
[08:14] <Kyral> I know :P
[08:14] <Kyral> Its supposed to be Evolution
[08:15] <Kyral> but I keep forgetting to put things in lol
[08:16] <Kyral> I should use my Launchpad Calandar :D
[08:18] <Kyral> Its not like I am using it now :D
[08:23] <Kyral> Now you people can stalk me lol :P
[08:29] <slomo_> crimsun: thanks for getting my merges done ;P
[08:45] <ajmitch> yay, massive sync processing by elmo
[08:45] <Kyral> horray!
[08:54] <Kyral> the command to start eterm is eterm right?
[08:54] <crimsun> Eterm I thought
[08:55] <Kyral> .....damn case-sensitivity
[09:23] <LaserJock> Kyral: alright, I added myself to the agenda for the next CC meeting. If you can make it great, if not I will try to make it to your CC meeting.
[09:23] <Kyral> kk
[09:25] <ajmitch> ah, LaserJock is brave enough to run the gauntlet
[09:25] <LaserJock> ajmitch: well, I wasn't in a big hurry but the doc-team needs me to be a member for svn access
[09:26] <Kyral> I've been ready :D
[09:26] <ajmitch> Kyral: what contributions do you have to show over a length of time?
[09:27] <ajmitch> hm
[09:27] <LaserJock> lol, I think his is counting on his ubuntuforums work. He has over 2000 posts if I remember right
[09:28] <ajmitch> that might help, depending on what they look for
[09:28] <LaserJock> yeah, I tend to be quite conservative about these things, but the doc-team pushed me into it ;-)
[09:28] <azeem> I am sure they will be glad to review them all ;)
[09:29] <LaserJock> azeem: lol
[09:29] <ajmitch> morning StevenK
[09:29] <ajmitch> up early this morning :)
[09:30] <StevenK> Just dropped my wife at the station.
[09:30] <StevenK> No point going back to bed, if my alarm is going to wake me up in 10 minutes. :-/
[09:30] <ajmitch> sad to say I woke up at 7am
[09:30] <ajmitch> considering I got to sleep about 2
[09:31] <StevenK> Yeah ...
[09:31] <LaserJock> yeah, the CC meeting is going to be at 0600 local time so I hope I won't sound stupid
[09:31] <crimsun> yeah, 9am for me
[09:31] <dholbach> ajmitch: your network was quite unwell :)
[09:32] <ajmitch> dholbach: I know, I woke up this morning to see a few disconnections
[09:32] <ajmitch> rather strange
[09:33] <StevenK> That's the song for me at the moment.
[09:33] <StevenK> Megadeth - Wake Up Dead
[09:33] <Kyral> lol
[09:34] <StevenK> LaserJock: The coming CC meeting is 0100 local for me. Part of the reason I'm skipping it.
[09:34] <Kyral> The coming CC meeting is at 1100 for me
[09:34] <LaserJock> StevenK: yeah, although I think I could do  0100 better than 0600
[09:34] <Nafallo> herve: don't he got e-mail yet? :-)
[09:35] <herve> it seems so, I'm writing one!
[09:35] <LaserJock> should have an RSS feed
[09:35] <Kyral> lol
[09:35] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[09:35] <herve> actually, it's rather a fifo list
[09:35] <Kyral> lol
[09:37] <StevenK> Whee, another package is in the archive.
[09:38] <ajmitch> LaserJock: put yourself forward for the members launchpad team?
[09:38] <LaserJock> ajmitch: ubuntumembers yes
[09:38] <ajmitch> ok
[09:39] <LaserJock> I also put my name on the agenda. I hope that is the right process
[09:39] <Kyral> hmm
[09:40] <Kyral> I shall try lol I may be late
[09:40] <ajmitch> hi \sh
[09:40] <Kyral> secretly running irssi in the middle of class
[09:41] <\sh> 3h of sleep and I woke up again..
[09:41] <Kyral> go back to bed
[09:41] <dholbach> drink something and go back to bed
[09:42] <ajmitch> \sh: ouch, you're worse than me (5 hours)
[09:42] <dholbach> (non-alcoholic :))
[09:42] <\sh> dholbach: i'll check the syncs now :)
[09:42] <ajmitch> hm, so many apps to rebuild for c++ evils
[09:42] <dholbach> ts..........
[09:42] <ajmitch> I wonder who's handling inkscape
[09:43] <ajmitch> which was probably waiting on gtkmm
[09:43] <StevenK> Awwwww.
[09:43] <dholbach> go ahead
[09:43] <dholbach> should be fine now
[09:43] <StevenK> libclanlib-dev is still broken.
[09:43] <dholbach> gtkmm2.4 is done
[09:43] <ajmitch> StevenK: surely not? what's the problem?
[09:43] <StevenK> libclanlib-dev: Depends: libclan2c2a-vorbis but it is not installable
[09:43] <ajmitch> sigh
[09:43] <StevenK> Package libclan2c2a-vorbis is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:44] <ajmitch> libclan2c2-vorbis didn't get renamed
[09:44] <ajmitch> and I missed it
[09:44] <ajmitch> that'll teach me
[09:45] <StevenK> Well, the only way to test this is stuff the binaries on a private repository and then point apt-get at it.
[09:45] <StevenK> s/\(this\) is/\1/
[09:46] <ajmitch> and I was in a rush at 1:30 this morning :)
[09:52] <dholbach> good night, everybody
[09:53] <LaserJock> good night dholbach
[09:56] <herve> siretart, ping
[10:31] <\sh> hmmm...If I say in debian/control: Build-Depends: foo [i386]  means please use this build-dep only on i386?
[10:32] <Mithrandir> yes
[10:32] <\sh> thx I only wanted to be sure
[10:34] <\sh> so...if I change firebird2-dev [i386]  the resulting binary package needs only to be there in Architecture: 386
[10:34] <\sh> i386 even
[10:36] <Mithrandir> correct
[10:39] <\sh> well..but the buildd is not correct..
[10:39] <\sh> because amd64 is explicit mentioned in firebird2
[10:45] <sivang> night all
[10:45] <ajmitch> night
[10:47] <LaserJock> guys, do you think that a packaging guide would be useful to have in a .deb?
[10:48] <ajmitch> like intro developer docs?
[10:48] <LaserJock> ajmitch: actually yes, the doc-team is wondering if we want to include it in their package
[10:48] <herve> good night
[10:48] <ajmitch> you have seen the intro developer docs, right?
[10:49] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that is what it is. I have added it to the doc-team repo and it can be found at doc.ubuntu.com
[10:49] <\sh> ogra: can it be that i'm totally clueless, or this guy has no clue about the flow of his software?
[10:50] <ogra> who ?
[10:50] <\sh> ogra: mike hearn
[10:51] <ogra> he is Mr. autopackage iirc
[10:51] <ogra> might tell something
[10:51] <\sh> ogra: and one of the wine upstreams?
[10:51] <ajmitch> yes
[10:51] <ajmitch> he is
[10:51] <\sh> oh my god
[10:51] <ajmitch> LaserJock: the intro docs that ankur did were meant to be in breezy
[10:51] <\sh> please remove wine from the archive,
[10:52] <LaserJock> ajmitch: right, well now they are going to be in dapper
[10:52] <ajmitch> \sh: ok, we'll forward all requests for it to you ;)
[10:54] <LaserJock> well since introdeveloperdocs was being packaged can I assume that it would be ok to package it now?
[10:54] <ajmitch> go ahead
[10:54] <\sh> ajmitch: really...thinking about his attitude and this thoughts,it should be the best to include an empty package with only one shell script inside: wine and as output: upstream likes you to compile his source by yourself...because he doesn't trust anyone else...because we are clueless
[10:55] <Nafallo> \sh++
[10:55] <ajmitch> go go gentoo!
[10:55] <\sh> ajmitch: even gentoo is evil
[10:55] <\sh> ajmitch: they're patching wine ,)
[10:56] <ajmitch> oh dear
[10:56] <ajmitch> LFS all the way
[10:57] <ajmitch> I need to be able to test stuff
[10:57] <ajmitch> before I do more broken uploads ;)
[11:00] <ajmitch> I think we're going for a record with clanlib to get it working properly
[11:14] <ajmitch> siretart: more fluidsynth changes to make :)
[11:14] <ajmitch> and there's a new debian revision
[11:14] <ajmitch> yay
[11:18] <siretart> ajmitch: huh?
[11:21] <ajmitch> siretart: your 'No changes left to debian' in the changelog :)
[11:21] <ajmitch> now we have to add changes again
[11:22] <ajmitch> hm, perhaps I can get away with a sync
[11:22] <ajmitch> Depends: libfluidsynth1 (= 1.0.6-3ubuntu2), libreadline4-dev, libncurses5-dev
[11:22] <siretart> ajmitch: ah. Now I see.
[11:22] <siretart> ajmitch: if there was a newer debian version, I would have requested a sync
[11:23] <ajmitch> there is now
[11:23] <siretart> ajmitch: but afair, there wasn't that time
[11:23] <siretart> okay. then request a sync :)
[11:23] <ajmitch> so a rebuild should get the right readline dep
[11:23] <ajmitch> unless you'd like to do so now
[11:24] <siretart> jupp
[11:29] <\sh> ogra: a Q is missing in this nice and shiny font?
[11:35] <ogra> heh, yupp
[11:36] <\sh_away> ogra: but this is normal...Q has to be missing, because Q comes and goes whenever it wants. Q is the uber Race
[11:37] <ajmitch> ok, fluidsynth build from debian looks like it works
[11:40] <Seveas> \sh, roflol
[11:40] <Seveas> the font looks really nice though
[11:40] <ajmitch> Seveas: you did revelation on REVU, right?
[11:40] <Seveas> ajmitch, yes
[11:40] <LaserJock> do you guys rember what the Hoary pre release cd's were called? Was it array?
[11:40] <ajmitch> well 0.4.5-2 source is in dapper
[11:41] <Seveas> and gnome-vfs-fuse which should be nuked immediately
[11:41] <ajmitch> but ftbfs due to python2.3 deps
[11:41] <ajmitch> I've fixed it locally
[11:41] <ajmitch> Seveas: ok, I'll rm gnome-vfs-fuse then
[11:41] <Seveas> ajmitch, ah, missed that one in dapper
[11:42] <ajmitch> it was synced after your revu upload
[11:42] <Seveas> right
[11:42] <ajmitch> do you want the honour of fixing revelation or shall I just upload? :)
[11:42] <Seveas> ah well, nuke that one too then :)
[11:42] <ajmitch> k :)
[11:42] <Seveas> I'll upload gnome-vfs-fuse again when I completely rewrote it
[11:43] <ajmitch> heh
[11:43] <Seveas> really - don't even LOOK at it
[11:43] <ajmitch> I didn't
[11:43] <ajmitch> I just hit archive
[11:43] <Seveas> btw, I'll have ultimatestunts finished too in a few days
[11:43] <ajmitch> we've got a long list of stuff on REVU to review & get in
[11:43] <ajmitch> ok
[11:43] <Seveas> and libsexy :)
[11:43] <tseng> sigh, libsexy
[11:44] <ajmitch> we need more MOTUs reviewing :)
[11:44] <Seveas> tseng, ?
[11:44] <tseng> "what is an even dumber name than libegg?"
[11:44] <Seveas> hehe
[11:48] <\sh> tseng: libchicken
[11:52] <lucas> ajmitch: why don't you allow reviews from contributors ?
[11:53] <LaserJock> lucas: cause they don't count, just kidding ;-)
[11:54] <ajmitch> lucas: excuse me?
[11:54] <lucas> if you want more reviews of REVU stuff, you could let contributors post comments on uploads
[11:55] <ajmitch> I thought contibutors could, actually
[11:55] <LaserJock> they just can't vote
[11:55] <lucas> they can only post comments on their own uploads
[11:55] <lucas> huh ?
[11:55] <lucas> Date	Reviewer	Comment 	Advocating	Actions
[11:55] <lucas> Sorry, Commenting for contributors only on their own uploads
[11:56] <LaserJock> It still takes MOTUs to advocate so I don't know if it would speed along the proccess
[11:58] <lucas> well it would allow contributors to pick up mistakes
[11:58] <lucas> so the package would improve faster
[11:58] <LaserJock> perhaps, unless they are wrong ;-)
[11:58] <ajmitch> lucas: so, it might be changed
[11:59] <ajmitch> but I haven't hacked on revu1 :)
[12:00] <lucas> LaserJock: I was thinking about your "get packages for section X" script
[12:00] <LaserJock> lucas: yeah?
[12:00] <lucas> I don't think you need python for it. grep-dctrl should be enough
[12:02] <LaserJock> lucas: your right but I was trying to eliminate the need for using too many programs
[12:03] <lucas> well, this package is for developers
[12:03] <LaserJock> lucas: right now I could do it on windows if I wanted to