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Lord_Athurmhz_design, 12:26
Lord_Athurme dices12:26
Lord_Athurcuando me meto al LP chile12:26
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Lord_Athurhi12:45
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deangHeya...   Can you recommend a fun text based adventure for a 3rd grader?01:20
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Lord_Athurmhz_dinner, 01:21
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mhzre04:27
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JaneWpong to whoever pinged me during the night....07:19
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highvoltageJaneW: i didn't ping you, but good morning anyway08:12
JaneWhighvoltage: hello08:12
highvoltageok, need to leave for mitchells plain again. bye!08:12
JaneWhighvoltage: I just had a blue edubuntu tab, and it was too far up to scroll back to.08:12
JaneWbye then...08:12
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Oge_is any way to fix my bad: bad configuration in /etc/sudoers, sudo not working and no root passwd.08:27
Oge_/etc/sudoers -r--r-----  root root08:28
Oge_when try to "sudo vi /etc/passwd", gives my error for sudo configuration file08:28
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jsgotangcohey all09:57
juliuxhi jsgotangco 09:59
jsgotangcohey juliux 10:01
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JaneWogra: ping12:36
JaneWogra: see that edubuntu will be published on a DVD with aPolish versio n of wikipedia :))12:38
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ograJaneW, yay12:51
JaneW:)12:52
spaceymorning01:02
ograhi01:02
spaceyany exciting news?: )01:12
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Lord_Athurhi03:07
Lord_Athurogra, 03:07
ograhi03:07
Lord_AthurI'm checking the http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuSoftwareList page for the spanish compatibility03:08
Lord_Athurif a program is only in english, what do I put?03:08
ograwhich one ? 03:08
Lord_Athuror I have to leave it.03:08
Lord_Athurkhelpcenter for example03:09
Lord_Athuris only in english03:09
ograkhelpcenter is totally irrelevant, i told that to mhz already ...03:09
Lord_Athurap ok03:09
ograits only there to make the other kde packages work ... it shouldnt be on this list at all03:09
Lord_Athurap ok03:10
Lord_Athurbut there are other applications03:10
Lord_Athurlike games03:10
Lord_Athurthat are only in english03:10
Lord_AthurI should I put in these applications?03:10
ograyou could file bugs and check if there are aready translations in rosetta for the app ..03:11
ogranote that glife is dropped now ...03:11
ograso dont care for it ...03:11
Lord_Athurap ok03:12
Lord_AthurI'll wait to mhz03:12
Lord_Athur:)03:12
Lord_Athurfor tell to him the last reasons03:12
Lord_Athur:P03:13
Lord_Athurbye03:13
Lord_Athurbye ogra 03:13
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Lord_Athurre hi03:25
Lord_Athur:P03:25
Lord_Athurogra, 03:31
ograyup03:31
Lord_Athurwhat do you think about the idea03:31
Lord_Athurof make edubuntu with other graphical enviroment?03:32
ografeel free to do it 03:32
Lord_Athurap ok03:33
Lord_Athurbut what do you think?03:33
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ograsure, why not ...03:33
Lord_Athur:)03:33
Lord_AthurI think maybe xubuntu and edubuntu can be only one03:34
Lord_Athuredubuntu with Cfce03:34
Lord_Athurnot03:34
Lord_AthurXFce03:34
Lord_Athur:P03:34
ograsure, build it ...03:35
Lord_Athur:P03:35
Lord_Athurjajjaa03:35
Lord_AthurI'm just learning programming with python03:35
ograyou dont need to program at all for that ... there is a Install CD Customization howto on the wiki somewhere ... read it ;)03:36
Lord_Athurap ok03:36
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mhzhi04:17
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spaceythink you can play movies over thin client (not ssh but XDMCP)?04:46
ograyou can do that with ssh as well if you select the sdlsink ... but its choppy04:47
spaceybut without SSH still choppy?04:48
ograno idea, i dont use xdmcp04:48
ograsince it requirea a lot of changes to X to make it work in ubuntu04:49
spaceyi thought you could just switch on the XDMCP thingy in gdm settings04:50
ograyou also have to enable X to operate in tcp mode ...04:51
ogradid you notice that xhost+ doesnt work ? 04:51
spaceyok true04:51
spaceybut thats just one flag04:51
spaceyxhost+ ?04:51
ograsure, but since we'll never support it, i dont care about it04:51
spaceyfair enough ;)04:51
spaceybut just looking at my home setup now, really pissed, my file server died on my04:52
spaceyeverytime i want to get to work something vital dies here04:52
ograannoying04:53
spaceytoday all my maxtor hd's seem to die, but if i scan them on another pc they report they are ok, so maybe its the ide controller. anyway i don't get any real work done, but i hope i can get some content filtering stuff on the edubuntu wiki end this week/beginning next week.04:54
ograi did already some work on willow04:55
ograhave a look at it, it does bayesian filtering without the need for url/pattern lists04:56
ograand its easy to add a pygtk gui to it 04:56
spaceysounds great04:56
spaceyi should look into that04:56
ograi'll put that up somewhere i most likely wont have the time to finish it for dapper ... 04:57
ograso if you like to take over, feel free ... its plain python, so it should be easy to get it to main (and on the CD)04:58
spaceyyeah04:58
spaceyi'll look into it04:58
spaceyat let you know, sounds doable04:58
ograthe packaging of the pory itself might bbe a bit tricky, it needs a initscript and should have a mode for transparent proxying ...04:59
spaceywhat kind of work did you do? gui thingy?04:59
ograi played with a gui, yes04:59
ograbut its only the frontend so far, no functionallity yet04:59
spaceyi should be able to manage that, 04:59
spaceyok04:59
spaceythats not a problem05:00
ograwillow itself has a webinterface i'd like to copy for the gtk gui ...05:00
spaceyif you can throw it online somewhere05:00
ogra(the backend stuff) 05:00
spaceyi'll look into it05:00
ograwill do during the evening ... now i have to care for merge stuff first ...05:00
spaceyi hope this week, probably next week05:00
spaceysure05:00
ografine :)05:00
spaceytake your time ;)05:00
ograthanks for the offer, i really appreciate it :)05:01
spaceyno problem05:01
spaceyi need it myself05:01
spaceyand i need some stuff for my school assignment ;)05:01
spaceyremember ;)05:01
ograok, preparing for the next crash .... brb05:02
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lucasvowould anybody be intersted in a edubuntu working with openmosix? would anybody want to help?05:16
lucasvoogra: btw, is there any chance to include it into edubuntu if it is working properly?05:17
ogranope05:17
ograand we talked about 3 times about it already i think05:18
ograwe dont include kernel patches that wont get accepted upstream05:18
ograso you would have to maintain a separate kernel 05:19
ogra(outside of ubuntu) 05:19
ograwhich makes it impossible to include it in edubuntu05:19
ograbut feel free to maintain a derivative ... 05:20
ograits not that hard .... see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallCDCustomizationHowTo05:21
mhzlucasvo: why openmosix?05:22
lucasvomhz: because it enables you to share RAM/CPU/Swap of ltsp-clients with server05:31
ograwith the cost of network speed ...05:32
mhzlucasvo: so you want clustering?05:32
lucasvoogra: it isn't a must05:32
lucasvomhz: yes05:32
mhzlucasvo: what would be the bottlenecks of it?05:32
lucasvoogra: I don't have any problems with network speed, others just don't have to load the module05:32
ograsure, but its still impossible ... 05:33
lucasvomhz: 1Gbit etherent :D05:33
lucasvoogra: techinically or because people don't want it?05:33
ograarent there clustering solutions that might get included upstream ? 05:33
ograpolicy wise05:33
lucasvoogra: I don't know05:33
ograsee my comment above05:34
lucasvoogra: I just know that mosix and debian with ltsp works well05:34
ograwith the new ltsp ? 05:34
ogra(note that debian switches to our implementation)05:34
lucasvoogra: no05:34
lucasvoogra: but what is different?05:35
ograssh transport for example ...05:35
ograbut that shouldnt affect clustering indeed05:35
lucasvoogra: exactly05:35
ograthe thing is that we never will have support for openmosix in ubuntu ... so its no option at all05:36
ograas long as linus disagrees with the patches05:36
lucasvoogra: hm05:37
lucasvoogra:  I will look for sth. else05:38
ograaks the kernel team what they suggest ...05:38
ogra(#ubuntu-kernel)05:38
lucasvoogra: you do ? or should I ?05:38
ograi dont care about clustering, i'm focused on dapper ...05:39
ogra(where no major changes are allowed to happen anyway)05:39
mhzogra: so if lucasvo idea is in the scope of the supported clustering packages by ubuntu, tehn we'd be ok?05:39
lucasvoogra: you said aks-> it could mean ogra asks or Ask!05:39
ograi meant ask :)05:40
ogramhz, if we have a clustering solution in ubuntu we can use it in edubuntu, sure05:40
mhzok05:40
ograi want to support clusterfs in dapper+1 but thats totally unrelated to clustering as lucasvo wants it05:41
lucasvoogra: clusterfs is distributed fs?05:41
ograyes05:41
ograwe already support ocfs2 05:41
ogra(also called gfs)05:42
mhzlucasvo: iirc there's a package in ubuntu that lets you share small HD's in a local net as if it were huge HD. I can't remember the name now, thoug. It was something like 'leonardo' maybe.05:44
ograits ocfs2 :)05:45
mhzoh, really?05:45
mhzhehehe05:45
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ograbut you dont want that without a very powerful net and server ... additionally you will need at least 3 servers to run it safely05:45
mhzogra: i dont wanna cray about this, but neither mako nor jdub have answered my emails yet. :)05:46
mhzcry05:46
mhzcan i kick them instead of pinging them :D05:46
ogra... mako is very busy with his job with the 100$ laptop ...05:46
mhzoh05:47
mhzwhat job about that?05:47
ograhe works for negroponte on this 100$ laptop for children05:47
ograat MIT05:47
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ograduno what he's doing exactly there05:48
mhzok05:48
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Lord_Athurhi05:50
Lord_Athurmhz, 05:50
mhzLord_Athur: wb05:50
Lord_Athur"WB"=?05:50
Lord_Athurmhz, 05:50
Lord_Athurdescargu el source de gaim05:51
Lord_Athurahora lo estoy configurando05:51
mhzLord_Athur: still have not received solution from launchpad team. However, we could try you join the 2 teams in LP and see what happens05:51
Lord_Athurpero despues como lo instalo?05:51
mhzLord_Athur: para que lo descargas?05:51
mhzLord_Athur: wb =welcome back05:51
Lord_Athurok05:52
mhzLord_Athur: why not install GAIM via synaptic?05:52
Lord_Athurpara que se optimize05:52
Lord_Athurosea el reinaldo me dio la idea05:52
Lord_Athur:P05:52
Lord_Athurjajjaa05:52
Lord_Athurosea yo tuve la idea05:52
Lord_Athurpero como lo hago05:52
Lord_Athurmake q>?05:52
mhzreinaldo le gusta todo compilado y optimizado, lo cual me parece bien, pero si no lo has hecho nunca... yo lo haria con alguien al lado :)05:53
Lord_Athurjajjaa05:53
Lord_Athurhechando a perder se aprende05:53
Lord_Athur:S05:53
Lord_Athurdime como uso el cdigo make05:53
Lord_Athurpara fabricar el programa05:53
Lord_Athurpor favor05:53
mhzogra: what are the step? make configure && make install? for gaim or any compiltion process?05:54
ograwhy would you want that ? 05:54
mhzLord_Athur: no me acuerdo... it's been almost 3 years since i compiled something05:54
Lord_Athurjajaja05:54
Lord_Athurok05:54
mhzogra: me? nope. Lord_Athur is learning compilation of sources05:55
Lord_Athurogra, do you know?05:56
ograconfigure 05:56
ogramake05:56
ogramake install05:56
Lord_Athurmhz, te respond el mensaje de la lista05:56
Lord_Athurok05:56
Lord_Athurogra, I did configure05:56
ograbut you really dont want that, it clutters your system with files you might not be able to remove...05:57
Lord_Athurbut If I format the HD?05:57
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ograjuliux, the right way is to enter motu and learn packaging ;)05:58
juliuxogra, i know05:58
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ograLord_Athur, sure, thats might help05:58
Lord_Athurok05:59
Lord_Athurthen05:59
ograjuliux, never ever use chackinstall if you want a sane system05:59
Lord_Athurgime the code (or way) to use the make code05:59
juliuxogra, should i use dh_make 05:59
Lord_Athur{{05:59
ograjuliux, rather, yes05:59
Lord_Athurmhz, 06:00
mhzsi06:00
Lord_Athurconoces algn enlace a una gua o algo?06:00
Lord_Athuren google06:00
Lord_Athurno supe buscar (por que no s a que cdigo o cosa hacer referencia)06:00
ograjuliux, checkinstall doesnt care about dependencys ... its fine for a 10min test of some software, but nothing to make packages06:01
mhzLord_Athur: let me see06:01
ograand dh_make requires that you know about dependencys ...06:01
juliuxogra, ok06:01
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spaceyLord_Athur, maybe this is not the optimal place for learning how to compile programs ;)06:03
Lord_Athurhte06:03
Lord_Athurthen, what is it?06:03
Lord_Athurother channel?06:03
ogra#ubuntu-motu would be better, yes06:03
spaceyyup and maybe some online howto's06:03
ograat least for packaging ...06:03
mhzLord_Athur: http://linexdebs.gnulinex.org/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=106:04
spaceyor maybe ubuntu spanish loco channel, for spanish language support06:04
spaceyi guess #ubuntu-es06:04
mhzLord_Athur: they teach you step by step from pag. 206:04
mhzspacey: indeed06:04
mhzLord_Athur: aslo, did you look up in the wiki?06:05
mhzalso06:05
Lord_Athuryes06:05
Lord_Athurbut i did not find any references06:06
Lord_Athuro como se escriba06:06
Lord_AthurxD06:06
mhzok, te aseguro que el de linex te encantara06:06
mhzLord_Athur: it was excellent written06:06
ograLord_Athur, every source package has a file called INSTALL normally, read this file :)06:06
mhzLord_Athur: http://wiki.edubuntu.org/CompileMplayerHowto06:07
Lord_Athur:p06:07
mhzLord_Athur: 'compile' is the verb you need06:07
Lord_Athurap ok06:08
Lord_Athurlo busqu por todo menos eso06:08
mhzhehehe, i thought so06:08
mhzLord_Athur: but the wiki url I pasted is not good for your learning06:09
Lord_Athur06:09
mhzthe one from google about linexdebs is excellent!06:09
Lord_Athur:)06:09
Lord_Athurthanks06:09
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mhz_lunchLord_Athur: and finally, if you wanna know a bit more about compilers ... http://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallingCompilers06:11
Lord_Athursomeone give me the code06:11
Lord_Athurgave me the code06:11
Lord_Athur:)06:11
ogradaniel  ...06:11
Lord_AthurI've got any memory problems06:11
mhz_lunchLord_Athur: a que te refieres?06:11
ogra(dolbach)06:11
Lord_AthurI'll be back06:11
Lord_Athura?06:11
Lord_Athurmhz_lunch,  mi tarro esta colapsando06:12
mhz_lunchLord_Athur: a que te refieres con "give me the code"?06:12
Lord_Athurque alguien ya me dio el cdigo06:12
Lord_Athures gave me06:12
mhz_lunchque codigo?06:12
Lord_Athurme equivoq06:12
Lord_Athur./configure && make && make install06:12
Lord_Athureso hice06:12
mhz_lunchahhh, eso es comando06:12
Lord_Athurapok06:12
mhz_lunchnp06:13
mhz_lunchcommand line06:13
mhz_lunchor just command06:13
Lord_Athurya puse la linea de comandos, vi gaim y se ve igual06:13
Lord_AthurxD06:13
mhz_lunchLord_Athur: por que colapsa tu tarro?06:13
Lord_Athurpocos recursos06:13
mhz_lunchLord_Athur: what hardware do you have?06:14
Lord_Athur500 prossesor06:14
Lord_Athur128 RAM06:14
Lord_Athur10g in HD06:14
mhz_lunchexcellent!06:14
Lord_Athur06:14
mhz_lunchI have same, but more RAM06:14
Lord_Athurjajjaa06:14
mhz_lunchLord_Athur: what desktop are you using?06:14
mhz_lunchGNOME?>06:14
mhz_lunchKDE?06:14
mhz_lunchflusxbox?06:15
mhz_lunchfluxbox06:15
Lord_Athurgnome06:15
spaceycan you move the spanish talk to #ubuntu-es? its not really convienant to talk here06:16
spaceysince this is edubuntu specific and we don't speak spanish ;/06:16
Lord_Athurwhy?06:16
Lord_Athur&&06:16
Lord_Athurmhz_lunch, este es el loko q siempre webea cuando hablamos en espaol06:17
Lord_Athurspacey, don't worry06:17
ograbecause nobody understands what youre saying06:17
ogra:)06:17
Lord_Athurif I need to talk something important, I'll do it in English06:17
spaceybut but its better to keep it edubuntu specific here, is there a problem for discussing it in #ubuntu-es?06:18
Lord_Athur06:18
mhz_lunchLord_Athur: no, let's go to query for non edubuntu stuff06:18
juliuxmhz_lunch, how far are you with the dvd labels?06:18
Lord_Athurmhz_lunch, but we cannot talk by query06:18
mhz_lunchnot far at all, just can't remeber where the color specifications are :(06:19
mhz_lunchLord_Athur: oh, yes06:19
ograLord_Athur, whats the problem with querys ? 06:19
mhz_lunchLord_Athur: then I can login to #ubuntu-es06:19
mhz_lunchif you need me06:19
Lord_Athurok06:19
ograor open #edubuntu-es ;)06:19
Lord_Athurmmm06:20
Lord_Athuryes your're right06:20
Lord_Athurbye06:20
mhz_lunchogra: he sees me and I dont see him or the other way around after a couple of minutes06:20
ogramhz_lunch, in ubntu-es ?06:21
mhz_lunchogra: nope, that problem happened yesterday here06:21
ograyou both need to be registered 06:21
mhz_lunchogra: duh!06:22
mhz_lunchI am registered as mhz not mhz_soemthing06:22
ograand indeed you cant change your name randomly06:22
ograheh, yes06:22
mhz_lunchsince when?06:22
ogra6-7 months ? 06:22
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ogradunno, freenode had a spambot attack... there they started to require you to be registered for /query's06:23
mhzogra: * ChanServ removes channel operator status from mhz06:23
mhzthat in #edubuntu-es06:24
mhz:)06:24
ograyou can register the channel (dont ask me how)06:24
mhzheheh06:24
mhzI wasn't thinking of :D06:24
mhzlol06:24
mhzogra: i do try to ask the minimum things so you can work06:25
mhzpeacefully06:25
ograheh06:25
mhzjuliux: so if you could find the proper # color for ubuntu DVD, that'll be cool06:26
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lucasvomhz: there is a ubuntu dvd?07:34
ograsure there is07:34
ogra(and hopefully a dapper liveCD too next week)07:35
vincenzioand someday, etherboot!07:42
vincenzio:D07:42
vincenzioogra: I had to undo the change we made to have etherboot work, it was breaking the pxe clients.07:42
ograoh, you have a mixed setup ?07:43
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vincenzioI have.07:45
vincenziothe change didn't get etherboot working, and so I had to go back to at least having pxe work.07:45
vincenzioit comes down to the img that it boots from.07:45
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Lord_Athurmhz, 08:17
Lord_Athurhave you got a jabber account?08:17
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lucasvowhat is wrong with the stupid keyboard layout on ltsp client09:13
lucasvo?09:13
ogradid you read the wikipage ? 09:14
lucasvoogra: yes I did and it didn't work09:17
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ogralucasvo, you mean setting XKBLAYOUT with your keyboardcode didnt work ? 09:23
lucasvoogra: no it didn't09:23
ograwhats your keyboard code ? 09:23
lucasvoogra: 09:23
lucasvo[Default] 09:24
lucasvo        SERVER             = 192.168.1.109:24
lucasvoX_HORZSYNC   = "10-50"09:24
lucasvoX_VERTREFRESH   = "10-60"09:24
lucasvoXKBLAYOUT          = "che"09:24
ograwhats che ? 09:24
lucasvoogra: swiss international09:24
ogradoes ch work ? 09:24
lucasvoogra: as it is shown on my gnome panel applet09:24
ograthat might not be the code X uses ...09:25
blue-frogch more likely indeed09:27
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lucasvoblue-frog: so why does it say che?09:42
blue-frogcould be a typo in the gui or as ogra said a code used by the gui, but for me ch is international for swiss09:47
ografor me too ...09:48
ograi didnt know about che at all09:48
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Lord_Athurogra, do you know to program in glade?09:50
ograLord_Athur, yup09:50
Lord_Athurwhat does the word yup mean?09:51
ograyes09:51
Lord_Athurok09:51
Lord_Athurif I put a button, this button uses all the space in the windows?09:52
ograyou have to use a hbox or vbox09:53
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mhzhi10:06
mhzarkan0x: hey!10:06
mhzjuliux: DVD uploaded10:07
arkan0xmhz,entre solo para avisar algo , toy laburando !10:07
juliuxmhz, link?10:07
mhzchao10:07
mhzsame for CD10:07
arkan0xmhz, byez10:07
ogramhz, see -devel, jdub is around10:07
mhzcooool10:07
mhzjuliux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuCdLabelAndSlip10:08
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mhzjejejej, ogra is Mr. IRC channels10:14
ograi like to know whats going on :)10:16
mhzogra: but how do you actually concentrate on so much and keep up the work speed?10:17
mhzare you 'gifted'?10:18
ograi dont chat all the time :)10:18
mhz(hmm, that reminds me Yagisan's mom-in-law is not good at all)10:18
mhzogra: ok, roget that.10:18
mhzroger10:18
juliuxmhz, txs10:31
juliuxthxs10:31
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zdziczekhey there10:31
zdziczeki need to load a kernel option "irqpoll" before the machine boots using a PXE CDROM ISO10:32
zdziczekhow can I do that?10:32
zdziczekthe machine starts to boot, but the 8139too driver needs the "irqpoll" option passed in order to not fail10:33
zdziczekhow can i do this10:33
ograadd it to the kernel commandline in 10:33
ogra/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/pxelinux.cfg/default10:33
ograas you would for a normal boot10:34
zdziczekon the server you mean10:34
ograyup10:34
zdziczekhrmm, interesting10:35
zdziczekwhat if only certain clients needed this option, but others didnt?10:35
zdziczeklike say, half my lab10:35
ograhmm, thats hard ...10:36
zdziczek:-(10:36
mhzjuliux: is it useful for you?10:36
mhzjuliux: do you need architecture versions?10:36
juliuxmhz, that would be nice10:36
mhzjuliux: but do yo need it?10:36
juliuxmhz, but i don't know if we will print cds next weekend10:37
zdziczekogra, thanks dude10:37
mhzjuliux: let me know then.10:37
zdziczekgot this old 233 Mhz lab kicking!!  thakns to you!!!10:37
juliuxmhz, we will test it next weekend10:37
zdziczekogra, :-)10:37
ograzdziczek, consider using two servers if you can10:37
ograyoure welcome10:37
zdziczekedubntu is great10:37
zdziczekso clean and polished...fun for kids too10:37
mhzzdziczek: let us know how it works, please10:38
ograthanks :)10:38
mhzzdziczek: let us know what users think of it, please10:38
mhzzdziczek: and if you need more performance, please consider using other lighter desktops before complaining about edubuntu :) One teacher already complained this to me, on a 400 MHz Desktop with 128 MB ram ;)10:40
zdziczekmhz, i definitely will10:40
mhzyhx10:40
mhzthx10:40
zdziczekone thing is the not so glitzy Login Screen10:41
zdziczekit would be cool to have a nice image, rather than a dull grey screen10:41
ograis already solved in the development verson :)10:42
mhzogra: do you have such image?10:42
ograwe have a themeable login screen now ... fullscreen10:42
zdziczekcool!10:42
zdziczekmhz, will it be in Dappy?10:43
ogramhz, not yet10:43
ograyes10:43
mhzokis10:43
ograas well as a bootsplash for the clients etc ...10:43
zdziczeknice :-)10:43
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