[12:03] <chromate> hello. i was wondering if there was a way to choose/change the default font file chosen for foreign languages?
[12:16] <mth`MAW> gn8
[12:24] <`Nomad> Hi all..  A friend of mine is selling the MB from his linux server..  So he needs to access his files which are on an ext2 or 3 partition, from, GULP!  Windows..  Is there a conversion that anyone knows about?  Cuz google don't I think
[12:25] <`Nomad> He wants to plop the drive in a windows box..
[12:25] <`Nomad> basically
[12:26] <frank23> `Nomad: there is a windows ext driver that can give you read access out there but I don't know the name and have never used it
[12:27] <splitta> can anyone get me unbanned from #ubuntu ?...promise not to misbehave
[12:28] <`Nomad> frank:  I just found it, I searched for just "read ext2".  Looks interesting.. Read-only  
[12:28] <`Nomad> as a temp solution it'll do :)
[12:28] <frank23> `Nomad: great!
[12:47] <ClayG> nice it works
[01:14] <neoncode> Hey does the mozila firefox flash plugin requre any fonts? Because fonts won't display in flash files?
[01:24] <neoncode> !hug
[01:24] <ubotu> ubotu gives neoncode a hug.  There, there, is that better?
[01:32] <_alex> anyone get japanese input to work in breezy?
[02:02] <kairu0> hey all
[02:02] <beemer> good evening all
[02:02] <kairu0> beemer, 
[02:02] <beemer> yes?
[02:02] <kairu0> yo
[02:02] <beemer> yo-yo ;-)
[02:02] <kairu0> :P
[02:03] <beemer> hey - know anything about getting usb wireless to setup at boot?
[02:04] <kairu0> usb wireless? nope i have pcmcia wifi
[02:04] <beemer> hrmm...did you have any issues with dhcp not giving it an address at boot?
[02:04] <kairu0> well, when i set the timeout to 5 it didnt work
[02:05] <kairu0> 10 seconds is enuf every time for me
[02:05] <beemer> ahh - where's the timeout setting? maybe that's my problem - ndiswrapper loads, the card get's its essid and wep key but doesn't get the ip
[02:05] <beemer> as soon as I boot I can "sudo dhclient wlan0" and it get's an address
[02:14] <beemer> kairu0 - can you tell me where the timeout setting is?
[02:14] <kairu0> beemer, if you havent defined it, then its 60
[02:15] <beemer> nope - haven't defined it
[02:15] <beemer> so then that's probably not it ...
[02:15] <beemer> thanks tho :)
[02:16] <kairu0> well it could be that your usb is coming up after your network daemon?
[02:17] <beemer> hrmm...i don't think it is - i'll check
[02:17] <kairu0> beemer, heres another thing to try
[02:18] <kairu0> in /etc/rc2.d you should have a gdm file and a network file
[02:18] <kairu0> change the number at the start of the networking file to match the gdm file
[02:18] <beemer> boot log shows hotplug devices then network config
[02:18] <beemer> ok
[02:18] <kairu0> it might work
[02:19] <kairu0> on the other hand theres the chance the kdm wont come up next time, so make sure that you can switch it back if you have to from the console
[02:20] <beemer> i see a kdm file but not a network file at in that path
[02:21] <beemer> in rc0.d i see...
[02:21] <beemer> S35networking and K89hotplug-net
[02:21] <kairu0> hmmm
[02:21] <kairu0> damn 
[02:22] <kairu0> well, if you search on ubuntuforums for laptop network timeout you can find someone who knows better than i
[02:22] <beemer> ok
[02:22] <beemer> thanks :)
[02:22] <kairu0> np
[02:43] <Drakeson> suppose that I have a formula in tex. what is the easiest way to make a png/gif/jpg/... file out of it?
[03:24] <ccc> can i add a second panel under kde? if so, how?
[03:27] <ccc> found it
[03:32] <rgc> 'ello all
[03:33] <jilocasin> 'ello all
[03:34] <Hobbsee> hey
[03:35] <jilocasin> Just got kubuntu installed and up and running, quick question for KDE folks, how do I make the fonts/icons/etc. smaller?  1280x1024 feels like 800x600
[03:36] <jilocasin> Just got kubuntu installed and up and running, quick question for KDE folks, how do I make the fonts/icons/etc. smaller?  1280x1024 feels like 800x600
[03:36] <Hobbsee> jilocasin: check in system settings
[03:36] <jilocasin> Hobbsee: where would that be?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> kmenu, system settings?
[03:37] <jilocasin> Hobbsee: nevermind....
[03:37] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:37] <xst> How do I choose the default audio device? (I have two soundcards in the box) and the wrong device is currently selected as default output.
[04:14] <rcmn> xst what apps 
[04:28] <mosiac> i seem to be having an issue with my wireless card, i enable it but it instantly turns itself off anything i should try?
[05:01] <nxv_> hi
[05:02] <nxv_> here i cant find the identity settings in kopete. but at another pc today i saw there were identity setups in kopete. 
[05:02] <nxv_> the other pc had an older version. have the identity infos moved somewhere else?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> nxv_: it's new in kopete 0.11
[05:05] <durt> if i apt-get kubuntu desktop, will kdm be run by default rather than gdm? what changes will happen? (im in regular ubuntu)
[05:07] <bimberi> durt: when kdm is installed you'll be asked whether you want to keep using gdm or not
[05:08] <nxv_> Hobbsee: what is new? the pc i saw it ran Kopete: 0.9.2 an here i have 0.10.4
[05:08] <durt> ah - ok.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> ah ok, that's odd
[05:10] <Hobbsee> i've never run 0.9.2, but i've never seen that feature in 0.10.4, and i have in 0.11
[05:10] <kkathman> I need to check for new versions of Kopete and Kontact
[05:10] <nxv_> when will 0.11 come to breezy?
[05:10] <kkathman> Kontact seems to be acting up lately
[05:10] <jsubl2> riddell has been busy.. new kde stuff posted for dapper kubuntu64
[05:11] <durt> what config file lets controls whether gdm or kdm is run?
[05:11] <darkfile> hi all
[05:12] <nxv_> or can i only get it by using backports
[05:12] <darkfile> im new to kubuntu 
[05:12] <nxv_> hi darkfile 
[05:12] <darkfile> and already got my first problem ;-)
[05:12] <kkathman> there are no problems, only opportunities for learning :)
[05:13] <darkfile> amark wont build me this mp3 libary
[05:13] <darkfile> i can play mp3s with it now and i can select which folders to search
[05:13] <darkfile> but it only shows me the foldes, but no songs inside them
[05:13] <darkfile> google didnt help me out 
[05:15] <darkfile> (with it shows me folders i mean this list of artists)
[05:15] <kkathman> Hobbsee might be able to help you out..I dont even use sound on my Linux box at all
[05:15] <darkfile> hehe, always the first thing i try ;-)
[05:15] <darkfile> directly after networking is up
[05:16] <kkathman> lol networking is always 1st :)
[05:16] <Hobbsee> nxv_: it's in kde 3.5, which there's an RC of, but it's not fully released
[05:16] <Hobbsee> darkfile: ummm...
[05:17] <darkfile> Hobbsee: for example i can see now that i got music from offspring
[05:18] <darkfile> and in the very lower part you can see "339 songs / 39 artists"
[05:18] <nxv_> Hobbsee: so will it come to breezy ? apt-cache search kde 3.5 doesnt schon anything
[05:18] <darkfile> but there are only the folders :(
[05:18] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[05:18] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[05:18] <Hobbsee> darkfile: you're on the "collection" tab?
[05:20] <Grundlebug>  question here.  I'm trying to install wireless-ng drivers from source but I'm getting an error saying that the linux source code wasn't found in /usr/linux/src
[05:21] <Grundlebug> Thing is, I've installed the source for my kernel, unzipped it and made a symbolic link to /usr/src/linux
[05:21] <darkfile> Hobbsee: yes
[05:21] <Hobbsee> switch to the files tab :P
[05:21] <Hobbsee> see if that helps
[05:21] <Grundlebug> do I need to be doing something differently to install the source from the tar file?
[05:21] <darkfile> yes, that works
[05:21] <darkfile> but i thought the collection would sort it for me and so?
[05:22] <darkfile> not only show me the names of the interprets ;)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure on that one
[05:22] <nxv_> ubotu: thx for the url, can i securely install these packages. mean i had to do a clean reinstall because of using backports when switching from horay to breezy :)
[05:23] <nxv_> ups i am already talking to a bot :)
[05:23] <darkfile> i will try it with mysql instead, maybe that helps
[05:24] <Hobbsee> nxv_: you should be able to install them without a problem
[05:32] <darkfile> with mysql it works
[05:32] <darkfile> if anyone complains about seeing no songs in the amarok collection tab, he should switch to mysql :-)
[05:34] <Grundlebug> any help on the source install?
[05:35] <darkfile> hey, and amarok is really cool, should have tried it before
[05:35] <darkfile> already got my first album covered ;-)
[06:01] <erix> hello
[06:01] <erix> can i ask somthing ?
[06:01] <kkathman> sure
[06:01] <kkathman> go ahead
[06:02] <erix> is there channel hir in philippines
[06:02] <erix> ?
[06:02] <erix> actually this is my first tym hir
[06:02] <kkathman> Im not sure if there is or not
[06:03] <erix> how can i registered hir?
[06:08] <darkfile> erix: this could be somewhat difficult
[06:09] <darkfile> maybe you should look at the homepage?
[06:11] <WolfManz611> does the adept package manager update system files say if a bug is discovered in kubuntu?
[06:12] <darkfile> hi WolfManz611 
[06:12] <darkfile> you mean if you can hold your box up-to-date?
[06:12] <WolfManz611> ya
[06:12] <darkfile> yes, sure
[06:13] <darkfile> first you should "fetch updates"
[06:13] <darkfile> after that you can see which packets got updates in the lower part
[06:13] <WolfManz611> like lastnight i noticed the 5.10 version of kbuntu had a big that wouldnt let me use he root password as in i would type it in and nothing would happend 
[06:14] <WolfManz611> big = bug
[06:14] <darkfile> there is no root password ;)
[06:14] <darkfile> not in ubuntu
[06:14] <WolfManz611> so i had to search sum bug database and in there was a fix 
[06:14] <darkfile> you mean sudo for sure?
[06:14] <WolfManz611> well su password you know the one you need to do the higher level stuff like the user manager
[06:14] <darkfile> yes
[06:15] <darkfile> as said, with "fetch updates" you will get a recent list of packages
[06:15] <WolfManz611> well that was buuged so i downloaded a update that seemed to fix it could adept get that update as well?
[06:15] <darkfile> after that you can look and decide for yourself which updates you want
[06:16] <darkfile> or just let adept do it for you (full update)
[06:16] <WolfManz611> i just updated everything lol there are no updates left 
[06:16] <darkfile> maybe your bug was too new to make it into the stable branch?
[06:16] <darkfile> the fix i mean ;)
[06:17] <WolfManz611> ya i think that was the case. Alot of people had the issue though 
[06:17] <darkfile> by the way
[06:17] <nxv_> back with 3.5
[06:17] <darkfile> while we are talking about bugs ;)
[06:18] <darkfile> when u use amaroks collection function
[06:18] <darkfile> can u see album and songs as well? or only the artists names
[06:18] <nxv_> can i setup autocycling through wallpapers without adding any single file?
[06:18] <WolfManz611> i have no idea i'm new to linux lol
[06:19] <darkfile> wolf, had a bug with it today
[06:19] <darkfile> oh, if you are new
[06:19] <darkfile> be sure to enable the universal sources for packages in adept
[06:19] <darkfile> so you can download mp3 support and so on
[06:20] <darkfile> its not installed by default, because of patents
[06:20] <WolfManz611> ya i just downloaded xmms and that tooks care of the mp3 support
[06:23] <darkfile> WolfManz611: give amarok a try ;)
[06:23] <darkfile> using it since today, and i think its great
[06:24] <nxv_> amarok is amazing. i espacaly love the show lyrics option
[06:25] <WolfManz611> i would except i wouldnt here anything lol i got two machines here and i'm on the other machine on TeamSpeak talking to a budy and the headphones are plugged into the windows machine where the teamspeak is 
[06:25] <darkfile> nvx to your question with he cycle
[06:25] <darkfile> thats easy
[06:25] <darkfile> roation is directly under the option where you choose the wallpaper
[06:26] <nxv_> how? i am just working on inserting it into ~/.kde/share/config$ vim kdesktoprc
[06:26] <darkfile> no editor needed ;)
[06:26] <nxv_> darkfile: right but i have to choose all the wallpapers first
[06:26] <darkfile> lol
[06:26] <nxv_> and i dont want to do it for every single file
[06:26] <darkfile> okay write yourself a shell script :p
[06:26] <nxv_> or am i wrong?
[06:27] <darkfile> insert it into cron 
[06:27] <WolfManz611> Drakfile do you have the exact name of the source i have should enabled for adept?
[06:27] <darkfile> and so on ;)
[06:27] <darkfile> wolf you only need to activate it in adept
[06:27] <bsdboy> http://devil.mphknet.ca/~peter/gnoc/S5300008.JPG
[06:27] <darkfile> adept -> manage repositorys
[06:28] <WolfManz611> i'm in adept but there are a few options o sellect what one do i pic?
[06:28] <nxv_> i would appreciate any easier way to do it
[06:28] <darkfile> there are 2 greyed out entrys which have "universe" on the end
[06:28] <darkfile> activate them
[06:29] <darkfile> and apply
[06:29] <WolfManz611> ok
[06:29] <darkfile> after that fetch updates
[06:29] <darkfile> and there you go ;-)
[06:31] <WolfManz611> ok thanks got it 
[06:32] <WolfManz611> i'm prett impressed with this kubunto distro i tried unbuntu first but couldnt really get uised to gnome 
[06:32] <WolfManz611> i have always liked the look of KDE and when i seen the kde version of unbuntu i had to try it. 
[06:32] <WolfManz611> I like the fact it hardly comes with anything as well 
[06:33] <WolfManz611> i had mepis before this and it was loaded right up with stuff 
[06:33] <bsdboy> I use Kubuntu, my boss uses Ubunut.
[06:33] <bsdboy> He greats me in the morning with "Hello KED user"
[06:33] <bsdboy> KDE*
[06:33] <WolfManz611> lol
[06:33] <nxv_> is there kde support for the autoupdate anouncer?
[06:34] <nxv_> i mean the little popup that occures when new updates are available and leads one through the installation steps?
[06:36] <darkfile> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/18893031/
[06:36] <darkfile> my new background ;)
[06:36] <darkfile> nxv_: no idea
[06:37] <libben> what do i type to check my cpu's temp? i have lm-sensors installed
[06:37] <nxv_> this would be the last step before installing kubuntu to a linux newbie in my eyes
[06:39] <darkfile> libben: try with acpi
[06:39] <darkfile> go to /proc/acp/thermal_zone
[06:39] <crimsun> acpi -t
[06:39] <darkfile> there you can find the sensor
[06:39] <darkfile> and than write "cat filename_of_sensor"
[06:40] <darkfile> @fra-nbk001:/proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM$ cat temperature
[06:40] <darkfile> temperature:             40 C
[06:40] <crimsun> ''acpi -t'' does that
[06:40] <darkfile> ok, thats easier ;)
[06:40] <libben> no device found bla blah =)(
[06:41] <darkfile> no acpi support?
[06:41] <darkfile> try to go to /proc/acpi/
[06:41] <darkfile> and have a look what you can find there
[06:42] <libben> well. i have some other folders
[06:43] <libben> but in them i dont find any usefull information
[06:43] <darkfile> you can cat most of the files
[06:43] <darkfile> cat filename
[06:43] <darkfile> to see what they provide
[06:44] <libben> allready done that
[06:44] <libben> and no help
[06:44] <libben> im looking in ksensors just now
[06:44] <libben> program that is
[06:44] <darkfile> if your acpi doesnt work as expected try google
[06:44] <libben> idle 75.5 || sys 7.6 || nice 0.0 || user || 19
[06:45] <darkfile> for sure, other people hat the same problem before
[07:09] <WolfManz611> power to the penguin lol
[07:12] <cduran> #channel monterrey
[07:12] <cduran> how can i log to a new channel
[07:13] <cduran> what is the command that i need to enter
[07:13] <cduran> can anybody help me
[07:13] <regeya> rofflecopters.
[07:14] <regeya>  /join #monterrey
[07:14] <equilibriusmind7> hello
[07:14] <cduran> thanks :)
[07:34] <drumline> damned installer halted at 48%
[07:36] <WolfManz611> cd bad?
[07:40] <drumline> dunno... It's installed correctly on the box I'm using now.
[07:43] <robotgeek> does amarok play flac? i sure hope it does!
[07:51] <SatanGolga> robotgeek: i got the wifi running :)
[07:52] <robotgeek> SatanGolga: what did you use?
[07:52] <robotgeek> SatanGolga: more importantly, did you update the wireless wiki?
[07:53] <SatanGolga> hmm, no, i used WPC54G_driver_utility_v3.1%2C0.zip with ndiswrapper and it went active and onlien ^^
[07:53] <robotgeek> SatanGolga: would you be kind enough to update the wiki?
[07:54] <SatanGolga> sure, soon on my way to school though
[08:01] <sampan> hrmmm, i just added mtr (traceroute util) via apt-get and it "removed ubuntu-standard" (along with mtr-tiny) ... is this something I should worry about?
[08:04] <WolfManz611> why would using adpet make your drive icons dissapear from the desktop?
[08:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee :)
[08:08] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser :)
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> your with bigpond :O evil!
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:08] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:08] <Hobbsee> yes, my bigpond - parents choice, not mine
[08:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i tell my parents what we go with ;)
[08:08] <Hobbsee> i wish
[08:09] <Hobbsee> nah, it's cable here at the moment, which leaves us with few optoins
[08:09] <Hobbsee> ehe
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ah, oh
[08:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[08:13] <Hobbsee> nasty rsi
[08:14] <WolfManz611> why would using adept make your drive icons dissapear from the desktop?
[08:54] <robotgeek> does amarok play .flac?
[08:56] <robotgeek> yes it does, robotgeek 
[08:56] <sampan> talking to yourself is one of the signs of impending madness ;)
[08:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[09:05] <robotgeek> sampan: i'm excluded, i'm half human, half robot
[09:06] <sampan> lol one half talking to the other half -- i get it ;)
[09:06] <chakie_work> if you are suffering from schizofrenia it's good if the different personalities have different skill sets :)
[09:11] <raphink> now wazza ???
[09:11] <raphink>  $ konqueror
[09:11] <raphink> ASSERT: "!icon.isEmpty()" in /root/kdebase/kdebase-3.5-rc1/./libkonq/konq_pixmapprovider.cc (79)
[09:11] <raphink> it worked fine yesterday !!
[09:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> did you run knoq with sudo?
[09:12] <raphink> nope
[09:12] <raphink> thats weird
[09:12] <raphink> and kopete won't connect anymore either
[09:13] <raphink> there's something weird with my KDE ... :s
[09:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[09:13] <raphink> I'll take this occasion to switch to dapper again
[09:13] <raphink> lol
[09:13] <raphink> can't be worse than konq not working
[09:15] <_admin> whats the command to run files with bittorrent?
[09:16] <raphink> capiCrimm: btdownload for ex
[09:16] <raphink> or 
[09:17] <raphink> btdownloadgui
[09:18] <raphink> 773 packages to upgrade ;)
[09:24] <raphink> kontact won't work either .... :s
[09:47] <aftertaf> the kubuntu live cd doesnt find my harddrive....
[09:47] <aftertaf> cant load ide-genric module.
[09:50] <b0nn> hey all
[09:50] <b0nn> Ive just installed kubuntu
[09:51] <aftertaf> nice one :)
[09:51] <b0nn> and trying to run anything that requires root priviledges from the run command on the start menu is giving me the 'incorrect password please try again' run around :)
[09:52] <aftertaf> b0nn: use sudo and YOUR password
[09:52] <b0nn> er.. theres no option .. its trying to run as root
[09:52] <b0nn> Ive set roots password
[09:52] <aftertaf> b0nn: open a terminal and use sudo
[09:52] <b0nn> tried that, tried my users password, and tried blank
[09:53] <aftertaf> b0nn: you set a root passwrd?     sure? try su -   in a terminal and put roots password, does it work?
[09:53] <Delvien>  is there an equivalent to KDE-apps.org for gnome???
[09:54] <aftertaf> dunno....
[09:54] <aftertaf> gnome site? any links there?
[09:54] <b0nn> ok.. why do I have to run it from a term?
[09:57] <aftertaf> b0nn: the run command cant ask you for a sudo password.
[09:57] <aftertaf> b0nn: dont run as root in x, run with sudo
[09:57] <b0nn> yeah.. it asks for roots password
[09:58] <aftertaf> b0nn: what are you wanting to run?
[09:58] <b0nn> kynaptic
[09:58] <aftertaf> argh.
[09:58] <aftertaf> b0nn: use adept
[09:58] <b0nn> that wants root password as well
[09:59] <aftertaf> nope, put your own.....
[09:59] <aftertaf> its the sudo wrapper
[09:59] <b0nn> SOB!
[09:59] <aftertaf> lol
[09:59] <b0nn> it worked that time :\
[09:59] <sampan> lol
[09:59] <aftertaf> its not the root pw it wants, its your own!
[10:00] <b0nn> I didnt click :\
[10:00] <aftertaf> but the sudo gfx wrapper is a bit dicky sometimes.
[10:00] <b0nn> Im not sure if I like all this sudo
[10:00] <sampan> if you give it a chance, you'll like it
[10:00] <aftertaf> b0nn: hehe, but its a safety net...
[10:01] <b0nn> Ive been using Linux & *BSD's for 5 years
[10:01] <b0nn> Ive gotten used to not liking sudo
[10:01] <aftertaf> b0nn: yeah.... but its a good habit to relearn.. i did too.....
[10:02] <b0nn> heh.. its too late in the eveing for a flame war on the pros/cons of sude :)
[10:02] <b0nn> s/e$/o
[10:02] <aftertaf> lol
[10:02] <aftertaf> there is debate about it even among longtime ubuntu users
[10:02] <aftertaf> but being for 1st timers too..... its a good thing.
[10:02] <dg> hi all!
[10:02] <aftertaf> and us 'hardcore' users can sudo or su -
[10:03] <b0nn> how do I get Kaffeine to play mp3's?
[10:03] <b0nn> I see a few mp3 librarys in the default install
[10:03] <aftertaf> !restricted
[10:03] <ubotu> from memory, restricted is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats. Most of the formats listed here have been replaced by !FreeFormats
[10:03] <aftertaf> b0nn: ^^^
[10:03] <aftertaf> legal issues
[10:03] <dg> I have problem with VPN client in Kubuntu,i have configured this client and connected to vpn,the problem is i send huge amount of data but recieving nothing? ANY IDEA?
[10:03] <b0nn> yeah.. mp3 is proprietory
[10:06] <mornfall> wibble
[10:06] <aftertaf> lol raphink :)
[10:06] <aftertaf> mornfall: hi!
[10:06] <raphink> don't switch to dapper if you have an ATI with fglrx
[10:07] <raphink> X doesn't work with it (yet)
[10:07] <aftertaf> raphink: i use nv right now too
[10:07] <mornfall> you can always use "ati"
[10:07] <raphink> good for you
[10:07] <aftertaf> mornfall: debtags is borked, so no adept in dapper
[10:07] <raphink> mornfall: yeah I just have to reset my xorg.con
[10:07] <mornfall> aftertaf: tell me something i didn't know ;p
[10:07] <raphink> conf
[10:07] <aftertaf> lo
[10:07] <aftertaf> l
[10:07] <raphink> I'm trying to compile the fglrx package right now
[10:07] <raphink> see if that helps
[10:07] <mornfall> diablo-d3 was bitching about it in #kubuntu-devel yesterday
[10:08] <aftertaf> i imagine
[10:08] <raphink> yeah
[10:08] <raphink> compilation failed :p
[10:08] <mornfall> you'll get adept 1.88 in few (2?) weeks anyway
[10:08] <aftertaf> a lot of kde borked in dapper right now
[10:08] <aftertaf> yeah :)
[10:08] <aftertaf> .88?
[10:08] <mornfall> that is, if i move my ass in some direction :)
[10:08] <mornfall> aftertaf: first alpha in the 2.0 run
[10:08] <aftertaf> hehe
[10:09] <mornfall> alpha translates to "not feature complete" in this case
[10:09] <aftertaf> lol
[10:09] <mornfall> it may even crash less than 1.0 :P
[10:09] <aftertaf> quit chatting, get coding !!! :)
[10:09] <mornfall> bah :p
[10:10] <mornfall> i'm coding java right now anyway
[10:10] <raphink> quit chatting, get fixing on my side ;)
[10:10] <mornfall> it sucks but needs to be done
[10:10] <aftertaf> lol
[10:10] <aftertaf> raphink: use ati for now.
[10:10] <raphink> yeah I guess I'll do that 
[10:10] <aftertaf> kde 3.5 final not yet out either?
[10:10] <mornfall> guess i'll play some music
[10:10] <aftertaf> raphink: i'm waiting, such is the joys of dapper :)
[10:11] <mornfall> In Flames - F(R)iend (on Soundtrack to Your Escape)
[10:11] <raphink> pfiew
[10:11] <raphink> X launched
[10:11] <raphink> with startx, since kdm can't be installed
[10:11] <mornfall> raphink: wow, it didn't even hurt that bad (did it?)
[10:12] <raphink> nor can kubuntu-desktop
[10:12] <mornfall> and i complain about sid huh? :)
[10:12] <aftertaf> lol
[10:12] <raphink> hehe
[10:12] <raphink> ;)
[10:12] <aftertaf> sid has to be always broken
[10:12] <aftertaf> otherwise the fun goes out of it
[10:12] <raphink> heh ;)
[10:12] <mornfall> it's like the magic smoke
[10:31] <raphink> hehe
[10:31] <mornfall> wobble?
[10:33] <raphink> mornfall: apt-build is much more advanced than my script but there are things it still can't do and mine can
[10:34] <Hobbsee> hey aftertaf 
[10:35] <aftertaf> hi here too Hobbsee 
[10:35] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[10:35] <mornfall> raphink: right, that's why you should extend it ;-)
[10:37] <raphink> mornfall: yeah I've got a different approach than apt-build with the same goal
[10:37] <raphink> so it can be complementary in a way
[10:37] <aftertaf> calmement :)
[10:41] <Hobbsee> how do i find out what packages are inside a particular package file?
[10:41] <raphink> hmm
[10:42] <raphink> get the source and look inside debian/
[10:42] <raphink> hehe
[10:42] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[10:44] <l3m> apt-file 
[10:44] <Hobbsee> ah
[10:45] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~/Desktop/mozilla$ apt-file kde-devel
[10:45] <Hobbsee> bash: apt-file: command not found
[10:45] <aftertaf> apt-src
[10:46] <aftertaf> i'm gone, stuff to do.... interview this afternoon :)
[10:46] <Hobbsee> command not found
[10:46] <aftertaf> open adept and look at the other apt packages
[10:46] <Hobbsee> ah...i'll try that
[10:46] <aftertaf> ;)
[10:46] <aftertaf> cu all later...
[11:04] <raphink> Riddell: why does kdm depend on kubuntu-default-settings ?
[11:05] <raphink> I had to remove this dependency and compile again
[11:05] <raphink> s/compile/build the package/
[11:05] <mornfall> raphink: because kdm is evil :)
[11:05] <raphink> mornfall: no really, I don't think kdm should depend on kubuntu
[11:06] <raphink> no kde stuff should depend on kubuntu imo (if I might give my opinion on it)
[11:06] <raphink> but kubuntu surely has to depend on kde stuff
[11:06] <raphink> the result of this is that I can't install kdm since there is a pb with kubuntu-default-settings package
[11:06] <raphink> and this is not normal
[11:07] <raphink> the fact that all dependencies in kubuntu are not met yet shouldn't prevent me from installing parts
[11:07] <raphink> don't you think?
[11:07] <mornfall> should i? :)
[11:07] <raphink> see
[11:07] <mornfall> it's sort of obvious, hmm? :)
[11:07] <raphink> kdm depends on kubuntu-default-settings, which depends on adept and amarok and many more
[11:07] <mornfall> that's still wrong
[11:07] <raphink> so implicitely, kdm depends on .... amarok and adept ... !!
[11:08] <raphink> there's a pb there
[11:08] <mornfall> kubuntu-default-settings shouldn't depend on anything much
[11:08] <mornfall> kubuntu-desktop should bring in all this stuff
[11:08] <raphink> it's the wrong way round
[11:08] <raphink> sure
[11:08] <mornfall> and nothing of individual components should need the -settings package
[11:08] <raphink> but kdm shouldn't depend on it
[11:08] <raphink> rather kubuntu-* might depend on kdm
[11:08] <raphink> but not the other way round
[11:09] <mornfall> raphink: i'd suggest you beat Riddell until that's fixed ;-)
[11:09] <raphink> so I removed it in kdebase*/debian/control in the kdm settings and am building the package again to see
[11:09] <raphink> and I'll bug Riddell ;)
[11:09] <mornfall> (poor guy... he could pick a less stressful job..).
[11:09] <raphink> yes ;)
[11:09] <raphink> all the more that I already bug him a lot about my packages to be reviewed
[11:10] <raphink> anyway
[11:10] <mornfall> it's all fine as long as you don't bug me
[11:10] <mornfall> =)
[11:10] <raphink> I'll bb
[11:10] <raphink> hehe
[11:10] <raphink> ;)
[11:10] <raphink> if you see Riddell around, you can tell him ;)
[11:11] <mornfall> In Flames - Cloud Connected
[11:12] <neoncode> GCC
[11:12] <neoncode> opps
[11:12] <neoncode> sorry wrong chanel, I was talking to ubotu
[11:19] <Delvien> is there anyway to make KDE use a different directory for its desktop ?
[11:23] <amu> Delvien: no, the linux standart is userbased, every user has his home-dir which is only writeable by himself, well what you can do is, you can link/mount the homedir ex. to /dev/ram, if the hole filesystem is ro  
[11:24] <Delvien> amu :( im looking to use different folders from gnome to KDE for desktop , so i can use a different desktop (not the same icons / links ) on each DE
[11:26] <amu> Delvien: the defaults of each desktop are located in different dirs /usr/share   
[11:27] <Delvien> amu o. because im looking at my desktop in gnome atm and it shows a bunch of the stuff i have on KDE, if i delete these, will they be deleted in KDE?
[11:28] <amu> Delvien: thats the wrong way
[11:28] <amu> in the .desktop files there is a definition shownonkde, shownongnome 
[11:29] <amu> the files still exist, but they are not displayed in your menues, whatever 
[11:30] <Delvien> amu o , where do i edit these .desktop files to shownonkde?
[11:30] <dg> t
[11:31] <amu>  /usr/share/applications 
[11:32] <amu> ex.
[11:32] <Delvien> kk thanks bro
[11:34] <amu> Delvien: a good example is kcontrol.desktop 
[11:39] <amu> Delvien: please referer to xorgs .desktop standard, you have there different options, in those .desktop are defined, if they where shown on kde or gnome on not 
[11:45] <amu> s/on/or 
[12:03] <xst> How do I select the default sound card to be used?
[12:07] <ddds> anyone interested in connecting to my KDE desktop to configure dhcp
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> ddds: what's wrong?
[12:10] <dmlinux> hey amo where can i find that configuration file for shownonkde again, sorry hehe my konversation got shut down before i got a chance to get to  it
[12:20] <^rob^> hi
[12:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[12:20] <^rob^> i am looking for a program to grab video from a bttv card - with gui - anyone know something?
[12:20] <^rob^> i want to grab from composite 1
[12:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> try kino
[12:21] <^rob^> it is not working with composite
[12:21] <^rob^> only with digital cams
[12:21] <^rob^> i have an old vcr
[12:21] <^rob^> and i try to grab it so
[12:21] <^rob^> video->bttvcard
[12:21] <Riddell> raphink: it depends on kubuntu-default-settings for the kdm theme
[12:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeh, i know the deal, I'm trying to find something that works as well ^rob^ ;)
[12:23] <^rob^> Kamping_Kaiser: damn - noone used to make a tool to do that?
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> dunno, i havent had much time to try and hack stuff and make it work I'm afriad, it was a case of 'kino wont do it, oh well'
[12:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'move on and do work'
[12:25] <^rob^> i've seen lots of tools - the text one has no gui - i have no control of what am i grabbing, the gui ones has no /dev/video0 settings.
[12:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> the text ones any good? 
[12:26] <^rob^> i haven't managed to make it work on input 1 - all goes on tv
[12:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm.
[12:26] <^rob^> lavtrans for example
[12:26] <^rob^> :)
[12:26] <^rob^> or mencoder
[12:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> havent tried mencoder, think it's installed though
[12:31] <^rob^> how can i make mplayer to play what's on /dev/video0 ?
[12:32] <_kazu> hello
[12:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[12:33] <_kazu> i attempt to upgrade to the last kde 3.5 version, but it don't want to upgrade kde-base, any idea ?
[12:33] <^rob^> _kazu: you can't
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> _kazu: that's ok
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> afaik
[12:34] <Tm_T> I don't understand
[12:34] <Tm_T> "I wan't to upgrade kde but not kde-base"
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> Tm_T: "but it dont"
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> smart upgrade has desised to hold back KDE-base
[12:34] <Tm_T> :p
[12:34] <CyberMad> what is the shortcut key to return to XWindow from konsole?
[12:35] <Tm_T> ah
[12:35] <Tm_T> smart =)
[12:35] <_kazu> thaht's ok  u mean that it's  normal and the depandancies wil be solved ater ?
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> _kazu: yes. we hope :)
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> CyberMad: ctrl+alt+f7
[12:35] <CyberMad> okay thx.. :)
[12:35] <_kazu> ok Kamping_Kaiser :p the date to the final version is supposed to be oday isn't it ?
[12:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> _kazu: yes, but that wont be in packages yet
[12:37] <_kazu> ok thks Kamping_Kaiser  hum the depots to use is : kubuntu.org/packages/kde3.5 breezy main ?
[12:37] <_kazu> ( just to check if i'm doing right :p
[12:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> don't know. don't use it ;)
[12:38] <_kazu> ok will use the rc2 so  ;)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> _kazu: say what?
[12:38] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[12:38] <ubotu> I heard kde3.5 is KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 1 is out: http://tinyurl.com/dycgf
[12:39] <_kazu> ok thks
[12:39] <Hobbsee> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2 breezy main
[12:39] <Hobbsee> _kazu: is the rc2 link
[12:39] <_kazu> ok ;)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> and you can try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[12:40] <Hobbsee> and see what it gives you
[12:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> update
[12:40] <_kazu> yes no worry 
[12:40] <_kazu> it's actually upgrade
[12:40] <_kazu> i just miss the kde-base package
[12:41] <_kazu> but it 'll comme later according to u
[12:41] <_kazu> thks a lot
[12:41] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install kde-base
[12:41] <_kazu> Hobbsee: i tried that but there is a lot of dependancies broken 
[12:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's actualy, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get whatever
[12:41] <Hobbsee> post the dependancy errors to pastebin?
[12:42] <_kazu> k
[12:42] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure which one this is...
[12:42] <_kazu> Hobbsee: i just pastebin in
[12:42] <Hobbsee> link?
[12:43] <_kazu> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/442105
[12:44] <Hobbsee> hmmm - is that with the rc1, or rc2 in your sources.list?
[12:44] <_kazu> rc2
[12:44] <Hobbsee> have you run a sudo apt-get update?
[12:44] <_kazu> yes
[12:44] <Hobbsee> ok, just checking :)
[12:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> _kazu: can we see your whole sources list?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> what does a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade show?
[12:45] <Hobbsee> paste the result to pastebin
[12:45] <_kazu> ok
[12:46] <Delvien> anyone know how to change default file browser in gnome?
[12:47] <Hobbsee> you might want to ask that in #ubuntu :P
[12:47] <_kazu> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/442107
[12:48] <Hobbsee> yeah, i thought that might be the problem
[12:49] <_kazu> Hobbsee: what might be the problem ?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> _kazu: you on i386 or amd64?
[12:49] <_kazu> 386
[12:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, ok, thought so - didnt think there were amd64 packages
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> _kazu: remove the spaces from the start of your sources list lines
[12:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> before the 'deb http' bit
[12:50] <_kazu> ok Kamping_Kaiser  i will try that
[12:52] <_kazu> i 've the same problem :) i don't think the spaces were changing anything but in all cases they should'nt be there so thks to make me remove them
[12:52] <morrow> Known Problems with Kubuntu's KDE 3.5 Release Candidate 2 Packages 
[12:52] <morrow> aha... seems like another RC is coming?
[12:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> morrow: released final today
[12:53] <Hobbsee> morrow: it's here now, it just wasnt announced...
[12:54] <morrow> ok.. lets see if the kmail bug has disappeared
[12:54] <_kazu> question, am i the only one with the kde-base package which don't wn't to upgrade or is it normal ?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> _kazu: i had that problem a while ago
[12:55] <_kazu> ok but it seems that a few apps are still in 3.4.3
[12:56] <Hobbsee> yes, that's probably due to the kdebase not upgrading...
[12:57] <_kazu> i was thinking that the message eror was telling the opposite: kde-base doesn't want to upgrade because of these few apps which are in 3.43 when i am ding apt-cache policy on the
[12:58] <_kazu> ok i have put the rc1 in sources.list and it seems ok now
[12:58] <Hobbsee> did you take out rc2?
[12:58] <_kazu> yes
[12:59] <_kazu> seems to be a prob with rc2
[12:59] <Hobbsee> i've gone straight from 3.4.3 to 3.5 rc2 without a problem
[01:00] <Hobbsee> but i did have that error a while ago, in a previous install
[01:00] <_kazu> ok
[01:00] <Hobbsee> and it went away by itself
[01:01] <_kazu> ok i am restarting kde to see the change : i come back
[01:06] <MenZa`> I'm using Ubuntu with KDE and GNOME installed, but on KDE everything seems very big, despite I'm using 1600x1200. The text seems incredibly large - can this be helped?
[01:09] <Hobbsee> MenZa`: you can change the font size in system settings...
[01:09] <Hobbsee> is this all programs, or just gnome ones?
[01:09] <MenZa`> All programs
[01:10] <MenZa`> I got help in #KDE, thanks anyway :D
[01:10] <kazu> i'm back
[01:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb
[01:11] <kazu> ok seems to works well
[01:12] <kazu> for kontact, i have a problem : before i had a all in one window now it's a new windows per apps
[01:16] <Delvien> anyone know how to get Gnome applets to run in KDE?
[01:18] <kazu> hum Delvien  install gdesklets and it should be ok :) gtk apps are ported to kde and qt to gnome now :)
[01:18] <Delvien> kazu well i want the battery monitor in gnome, on the systray of KDE
[01:19] <_menza> Okay, the font seems to work now :) - can anyone tell me how to extract the music from my NTFS Windows drive to my Linux one?
[01:19] <kazu> ah that i test it 5s
[01:19] <Hobbsee> !mount
[01:19] <ubotu> [mount]  the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[01:19] <Phazeman> people, any news about KDE 3.5 final ?
[01:21] <Delvien> any luck kazu
[01:21] <_menza> I'm getting an error saying "mount: special device /dev/hdal does not exist"
[01:21] <_kazu> Delvien: do u had my last msg ?
[01:22] <Delvien> _kazu all i see you say was ah that i test it 5s
[01:22] <_kazu> Delvien:  sudo apt-get install power-manager
[01:22] <_kazu> it was that :p
[01:22] <_kazu> for kontact, i have a problem : before i had a all in one window now it's a new windows per apps : any ideas for that ?
[01:22] <Delvien> sec , lemme go back to KDE
[01:23] <Phazeman> people.. stupid question... i never found a logical answer for it but i will try here :-) when upgrading KDE, is it better to stop the running KDE (by stopping the DM) or it doesn't matter and you only have to restart the X server after the upgrade finish ?
[01:23] <MenZa`> No help :\?
[01:24] <robotgeek> Phazeman: you need to restart for the changes to take effect
[01:24] <Hobbsee> Phazeman: well, it's probably logical to do a kde upgrade in a virtual terminal, and log out of x, but it seems to be fine to restart kdm once the upgrade is done - but not during the upgrade
[01:24] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: hello
[01:24] <MenZa`> I'm trying to mount my windows partition with help from http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/faqguide-all.html#fg-windows-partitions - but I get the error "mount: special device /dev/hdal does not exist" - can anyone help me?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> is it /dev/hda1 or /dev/hdal?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> ie, did you stick in a lower case "L" rather than a 1?
[01:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> Phazeman: if you install in the gui, then it will delete itself out undr you, so it will break if you try and keep using it
[01:26] <MenZa`> Ah, Hobbsee 
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> you should upgrade then restart imiediately
[01:26] <MenZa`> I did :P
[01:26] <MenZa`> Thanks ;P
[01:26] <Hobbsee> :P no problems
[01:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> wd
[01:27] <Delvien> _kazu installing now
[01:27] <MenZa`> Hobbsee: : How do I view my partition then?
[01:27] <MenZa`> in GUI if possible :S?
[01:27] <Hobbsee> MenZa`: follow the rest of the guide?
[01:27] <MenZa`> Just tells me how to unmount and to check disk space methinks
[01:28] <MenZa`> Or wait
[01:28] <Delvien> _kazu i dont see it anymore. how do i start the applet?
[01:28] <MenZa`> Got it :)
[01:28] <MenZa`> Thanks
[01:28] <Hobbsee> no problems
[01:30] <Delvien> _kazu you there?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> Delvien: i'd try running the program name via alt+f2
[01:31] <Delvien> hobbsee alt f2 doesnt do anything
[01:31] <MenZa`> Hobbsee: could you tell mei f i should/should not demount my windows partition? what can happen if i leave it open?
[01:31] <Hobbsee> run command...
[01:32] <Hobbsee> MenZa`: did you mount it in /etc/fstab?
[01:32] <kazu_> Sorry Delvien aol is stupid in london
[01:32] <MenZa`> nope, /media/windows
[01:32] <kazu_> are u here Delvien  ?
[01:32] <Delvien> _kazu thats cool, i installed it and it shut off klaptop, but i dont have any batt monitor now
[01:33] <MenZa`> huh
[01:33] <MenZa`> why'd it do that
[01:33] <MenZa`> I didnt really click anything :o
[01:33] <andreas_> I'm running breezy now, should I expect alot of problems if I dist-upgrade to dapper?
[01:33] <kazu_> lol Delvien sudo apt-get install gnome-power-manager
[01:34] <kazu_> and then Delvien alt+f2 and launch gnome-powe-manager
[01:34] <Delvien> what does alt f2 do, does nothing for me
[01:34] <kazu_> alt+f2 == kde menu execut a command
[01:36] <Delvien> what the hell, now my volumn buttons dont work
[01:36] <Delvien> kazu_ can i run it in terminal ? 
[01:37] <kazu_> Delvien: yes u can just put  a & after
[01:38] <Delvien> kazu_ ah not exactly the thing i was looking for...
[01:38] <Delvien> kazu_ i want the one that is native to gnome. the one controlled by ACPI
[01:38] <kazu_> hum ? explain exactly wha u are looking for
[01:39] <kazu_> do u the it's name ?
[01:39] <Delvien> Battery Charge monitor
[01:40] <kazu_> Delvien:  just go to #ubuntu and ask for the name of the apps then in a terminal under kde just launch it ( if u can tell me the name of the apps )
[01:41] <Delvien> thats the name , i just got out from under gnome
[01:41] <kazu_> Delvien:  i mean the name of the package to launch
[01:42] <MenZa`> Hobbsee: Humm, new problem
[01:42] <Delvien> ah i will try
[01:42] <Hobbsee> MenZa`: what is it?
[01:42] <MenZa`> I downloaded the akode-mpeg and did killall artsd
[01:42] <MenZa`> but I still can't play mp3s
[01:42] <MenZa`> :O
[01:42] <Hobbsee> !multimedia
[01:42] <ubotu> I heard multimedia is for codecs,  http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch03.html#sect-music-and-movies ; and for applications, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewUserGuideMultimedia
[01:43] <MenZa`> tu
[01:43] <Hobbsee> did you get the gstreamer stuff as well, then register it?
[01:43] <MenZa`> ty*
[01:43] <MenZa`> Negative, I didn't :S
[01:43] <MenZa`> Didn't say anything about it in http://wiki.ubuntu.com/wiki/InstallingKDE/
[01:45] <Hobbsee> i think you need the gstreamer plugins on gnome too...
[01:45] <Delvien> i forgot how do i set my volume keys to work, 
[01:46] <dennis_p> I've had success with mythtv guide so far but run into trouble at stage: http://www.abarbaccia.com/content/view/17/32/
[01:46] <dennis_p> for example sudo apt-get install mysql-server or mythtv gave me the default option to run the database at localhost but i think i mistakingly typed another name. But i can't find that blue screen when I retrace my steps with dpkg-reconfigure or apt-get remove --purge.
[01:46] <dennis_p> I want it to install with the localhost as default.
[01:48] <MenZa`> Hobbsee: I installed gstreamer0.8-plugin, but I still can't play mp3s when I try loading then into amaroK (I did killall artsd)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> try "artsd" in console then
[01:49] <MenZa`> returns nothing
[01:49] <Hobbsee> MenZa`: gst-register-0.8
[01:49] <Hobbsee> yeah, it wont, but it needs to be run
[01:50] <MenZa`> well, it removed my menza@Ubuntu :S
[01:50] <MenZa`> hoold on
[01:50] <MenZa`> ah
[01:50] <MenZa`> added loads of plugins :)
[01:50] <MenZa`> thanks :D
[01:50] <Hobbsee> lol
[01:50] <Hobbsee> now does it work?
[01:50] <morrow> hmmm kde 3.5 final has kubuntu packages :)
[01:50] <MenZa`> gonna check :)
[01:51] <Hobbsee> morrow: where was this?  i didnt see it
[01:51] <Delvien> installing gnome screwed with my volume settings (my volume keys dont work with the kmixer system volume anymore) only with amaroK...
[01:52] <morrow> Hobbsee: http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/3.5 
[01:53] <Delvien> !checkinstall
[01:53] <ubotu> I heard checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[01:54] <morrow> well.. the files on the mirror are from the 24th
[01:55] <Hobbsee> ah, i think that's rc2 isnt it?
[01:57] <morrow> no idea... just saw the final announcement on golem.de :)
[02:06] <dmlinux> ok have that stupid DECnet installed again when i was trying to install kbatt.. What is the command to go into a recovery from a Install CD?
[02:07] <dmlinux>  anyone?
[02:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> rescue
[02:07] <dmlinux> thanks
[02:23] <_root> hello guys
[02:23] <angelo> can anyone help me ?
[02:24] <dipnlik> angelo: if you make your question
[02:24] <angelo> :)
[02:24] <angelo> i have something like incorret kde prefix or something... in console, when i'm compiling some apps
[02:24] <angelo> w8
[02:25] <angelo> (im newbie)
[02:26] <angelo> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed.
[02:26] <angelo> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[02:26] <angelo> this is it
[02:26] <angelo> (i'm from poland)
[02:30] <Riddell> ** KDE 3.5 released http://dot.kde.org/1133270759/ **
[02:34] <l3m> is there a way to change the "mousegesture" button in opera?
[02:37] <brosioz> hi
[02:37] <brosioz> exist a versione of kubuntu live ?
[02:37] <brosioz> in dvd?
[02:37] <Kamping_Kaiser> live yes, not sure about dvd
[02:38] <dipnlik> brosioz: the DVD version is live + install, IIRC
[02:39] <brosioz> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/breezy/release/dvd/kubuntu-5.10-dvd-i386.iso.torrent
[02:39] <brosioz> this
[02:39] <brosioz> perfect
[02:39] <brosioz> thx
[02:40] <Delvien> someone out there needs to create a BETTER battery monitor 
[02:53] <Cr0w> hi
[02:53] <Cr0w> is there anybody here ??? :D
[02:53] <Cr0w> I've got a question
[02:54] <Cr0w> Does anyone knows how to install 3D Acc for ATI Radeon Mobility 9700
[02:54] <Cr0w> ????
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ati
[02:54] <ubotu> ati is, like, at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[02:54] <Cr0w> cheers :D
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> try the first link Cr0w :)
[02:55] <Cr0w> arf but I have AMD64 :s
[02:55] <Cr0w> and the first line specifies : no drivers for AMD64 :s
[02:56] <Cr0w> :p
[02:56] <Cr0w> I think I'll never find a solution for this fucking video card :p
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. owned
[02:58] <Cr0w> arf :D
[02:59] <Cr0w> lol
[02:59] <yannz> crow, but do you use an 64-bit operation system?
[02:59] <Delvien> i wonder.. is it possible to run gnome-panel inside of KDE? just have it at the bottom or something?
[02:59] <Cr0w> KUbuntu for amd64 :s
[02:59] <yannz> cr0w,good guess is that you should be using kubuntu for i386 (or k7:) .. and be able to use their driver for i386.
[03:00] <yannz> cr0w, only scientists need 64bit. gamers keep up with 32bit. the amd64 is good for both.. :)
[03:01] <Cr0w> arf ... do I have to reinstall all ?? :p shit !!!! I wasted my time for days finding a wifi comptible distro (for my "LAPTOP" !!!! :s)
[03:01] <Cr0w> I'm more a developper but I'd like to play a bit
[03:04] <Cr0w> And does anybody knows where to find libmsn.c ????
[03:04] <Cr0w> know
[03:04] <Cr0w> :D
[03:10] <Delvien> hehee im running Kpanel and Gnome panel in KDE . MWAHA
[03:12] <MenZa`> lol
[03:12] <MenZa`> hmm, I think my desktop sorta "crashed"
[03:12] <MenZa`> I can't use it :<
[03:12] <MenZa`> And I can't view my files
[03:12] <MenZa`> The rest works, the toolbar, kmenu, everything
[03:44] <MenZa`> !windows
[03:44] <ubotu> well, windows is unnecessary, everything runs in Linux. Choose your emulator: Cedega, Wine, VMware, Qemu, Xen, CrossOver Office or find an !alternative, or what you remove to make room for kubuntu
[03:44] <MenZa`> !mountingwindowspartition
[03:44] <ubotu> MenZa`: Syntax error in line 1
[03:44] <MenZa`> :o
[03:48] <BigKahuna> !superkaramba
[03:48] <ubotu> SuperKaramba is a KDE application that allows you to create interactive eye-candy on your desktop. Official site: http://netdragon.sourceforge.net SK Themes: http://kdelook.org
[03:50] <DexterF> hi
[03:50] <DexterF> is it possible to migrate kubuntu 5.10 to debian etch?
[03:52] <Kiseonik> yay. Got kubuntu installed today.
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> DexterF: yes, but not wth ease
[03:52] <DexterF> reinstall would be easier?
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> DexterF: *shrug* if your new yeh
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> Kiseonik: wd
[03:52] <DexterF> well, cleaner anyway I guess
[03:53] <Kiseonik> Now I need to figure out how to totally obliterate grub and framebuffer from my kubuntu install.
[03:53] <DexterF> install lilo over grub?
[03:53] <Kiseonik> :)
[03:54] <Kiseonik> yeah, i'm booting from the floppy - didn't want kubuntu trashing my lilo
[03:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh
[03:56] <DexterF> flop...py... that's these little wobbly discs from the late sixties of the 20th century, right?
[03:56] <raphink> Kiseonik: why didn't you install kubuntu with lilo if you want to keep it?
[03:56] <raphink> DexterF: I think so
[03:57] <raphink> haven't used one for about 10 years so I'm not sure
[03:57] <raphink> i've seen people use some lately though
[03:57] <Mitja> How to tell konsole to open a new window in bash?
[03:57] <raphink> some people love old stuff you know ;)
[03:58] <raphink> a new konsole window ?
[03:58] <Mitja> raphink: yes
[03:58] <raphink> a new shell tab ?
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink: i have about 200 of the bastards here
[03:58] <raphink> hmm using dcop I guess Mitja 
[03:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> using some for floppy based linux installs
[03:58] <Mitja> raphink: a new shell tab
[03:58] <Kiseonik> I didn';t have a choice about whether to use grub or lilo, raphink.
[03:58] <raphink> Mitja: look at the dcop commands for Konsole
[03:58] <raphink> using kdcop for ex
[03:59] <raphink> Kiseonik: if you want to have the choice, install kubuntu in expert mode
[03:59] <raphink> grub is chosen by default because it's much better than lilo
[03:59] <raphink> now if you want to use lilo, you can choose to use it while installing as expert ;)
[03:59] <Kiseonik> ahh. Thanks :) I'm a kubuntu newbie.
[03:59] <raphink> (belongs to the past)
[04:00] <berkes> hey, anyone here who knows some stuff about aspell/ispell in KDE
[04:00] <berkes> ?
[04:00] <raphink> why berkes ?
[04:00] <berkes> I am having quite some trouble with aspell, but I cannot find a way to fix it, 
[04:00] <Kiseonik> raphink, lol. lilo is awesome.
[04:00] <berkes> i see a lot of "Unknown" langiuages in my dict. dropdown
[04:01] <berkes> as well as a lot of non-working dictionaries
[04:01] <raphink> Kiseonik: what's the use of a boot loader according to you Kiseonik ? to be good looking?
[04:01] <raphink> Kiseonik: why do you think we use grub if lilo looks better ? ;) we're not stupid ;)
[04:01] <berkes> non-working == i select 'em and it reverts to default
[04:01] <Kiseonik> LOL
[04:02] <Kiseonik> I thought people say that GRUB looks better!
[04:02] <raphink> berkes: did you install the packages for them?
[04:02] <berkes> raphink: aspell is installed
[04:02] <raphink> Kiseonik: if you want to tune your grub, you can have it as nice as lilo
[04:02] <raphink> but it's not the gola
[04:02] <Kiseonik> nice as lilo??
[04:02] <raphink> Kiseonik: I don't think anyone would pretend grub looks nicer than lilo
[04:02] <berkes> raphink: but not ispell (still it shows up under kcontrol)
[04:02] <raphink> cause it doesn't
[04:02] <raphink> but it's much nicer becaues it's more powerful
[04:02] <Kiseonik> grub has graphical themes and skins and stuff like that...
[04:03] <Kiseonik> and lilo's powerfull too
[04:03] <raphink> yes Kiseonik 
[04:04] <raphink> Kiseonik: http://mirror.hamakor.org.il/archives/linux-il/05-2004/9672.html
[04:05] <berkes> raphink: what packapges do you want to know about ? 
[04:05] <raphink> did you try installing ispell packages berkes ?
[04:06] <Kiseonik> interesting...
[04:06] <berkes> raphink: i dont really want ispell :)
[04:06] <raphink> ok
[04:06] <berkes> i want aspell to work as expected. Aspell is supposed to be much better too
[04:06] <goldmember> whenever i use hard-disk intensive programs like cp in my konsole, the whole system gets really slow, windows are hangig and not reacting for minutes; any idea how i could optimize that?
[04:07] <gochoo> Hi all, I have some trouble with VPN client, i configures everything, it connected to server, and it sends huge amount of data but recieving nothing? I think there is something wrong with routing. ANY IDEA?
[04:07] <Drakeson> oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why don't you change the topic? (3.5 final)
[04:07] <Kiseonik> :)
[04:08] <berkes> raphink: why do you say tht I should install ispell?
[04:08] <raphink> well I don't use aspell or ispell 
[04:08] <raphink> just proposing ideas ;)
[04:08] <raphink> hehe
[04:09] <raphink> too tired to have a look at it ;)
[04:09] <berkes> nah, I am serious; :)
[04:09] <berkes> does anyone know where kde and aspell sore all the dictionaries?
[04:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Happy KDE 3.5 Day!
[04:12] <raphink> hahaha
[04:12] <raphink> lol
[04:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey raphink. How goes it?
[04:13] <raphink> fine
[04:13] <raphink> spent a few hours setting my dapper 
[04:13] <raphink> since upgrading broke some stuff
[04:13] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Any luck?
[04:13] <raphink> there are pbs with kde dependencies in dapper :s
[04:14] <raphink> well sure
[04:14] <raphink> I compiled some packages to install them
[04:14] <raphink> amarok, kdm, and others
[04:14] <raphink> otherwise there was no chance to install them
[04:14] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Ouch. kdm must've taken a while
[04:14] <goldmember> any ideas? i got dma enabled
[04:15] <DocTomoe> Hi ... I am giving up: Where do I find the Package for getting quantas html documentation to work? I tried installing kdewebdeb-doc-html, but to no avail. This is Breezy with 3.5.0 final
[04:15] <raphink> indeed Rogue_Jedi_X, kdm is generated by kdebase
[04:15] <raphink> so it took a few hours to build
[04:15] <raphink> I can't install quanta :(
[04:15] <Kiseonik> uname shows kernel version 2.6.12-9-386, but Adept shows kernel-source-2.6.11 is avaliable.... where can I get the kubuntu-patched 2.6.12 source tree?
[04:15] <raphink> it requires a build dependency that is not available in dapper yet
[04:15] <jbueler> I need help getting my external hard drive working...any ideas?
[04:15] <berkes> I have like 150 "dictionaries" when I spellcheck in kate. 
[04:15] <berkes> its really p**sing me off
[04:16] <raphink> :(
[04:16] <raphink> ok I'll have a look berkes 
[04:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> kate has spell checking? I never used it, thought it was just another kwrite/kedit-like app
[04:17] <DocTomoe> I think Dapper is yet to instable for use ... I am trying to make a living with my system, so instable distros are a bad thing ;)
[04:17] <raphink> hehe
[04:17] <Rogue_Jedi_X> http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-3.5.php <- Does this page work properly for anyone?
[04:18] <Rogue_Jedi_X> It may be getting hammered or it may be my connection
[04:19] <DocTomoe> Rouge_Jedi_X: take a peek at slashdot ... kde has just been announced.
[04:20] <DocTomoe> virtually thousands of ppl are trying to access this site this very second. No wonder it wont load ;)
[04:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Slashdot strikes again, huh?
[04:20] <berkes> Rogue_Jedi_X: its down indeed
[04:20] <raphink> no it's not down
[04:20] <raphink> it's overcrowded
[04:20] <raphink> takes hours to open but it does open
[04:21] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: the page just finished loading, after 2 minutes
[04:21] <DocTomoe> I remember when it all began ... used to be a regular slashdot fan (Rocky Horror Show songs singing again)
[04:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> DocTomoe: It's actually pretty useful, though some stories are just...dumb.
[04:22] <Kiseonik> uname shows kernel version 2.6.12-9-386, but Adept shows kernel-source-2.6.11 is avaliable.... where can I get the kubuntu-patched 2.6.12 source tree?
[04:22] <DocTomoe> Rouge: Have you heard of digg.com?
[04:22] <tucoz>  Hi, I am experiencing sound-delay when playing flash-based video in kubuntu. E.g. video.google.com etc. Do you know if this is fixable?
[04:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> DocTomoe: Can't say I have, no.  What is it?
[04:23] <Kiseonik> digg.com :D
[04:23] <DocTomoe> Something like a mix betweegn del.icio.us and slashdot. pretty useful, imho
[04:23] <DocTomoe> has some kind of "voting"-System for stories. idiot stories are automagically filtered out.
[04:23] <DocTomoe> try it
[04:23] <Kiseonik> and there is diggnation podcast with kevin rose and double D
[04:24] <tucoz> DocTomoe, and I also like the friendlier comments digg. Not the constant flame-war as for slashdot.
[04:24] <Rogue_Jedi_X> DocTomoe: Nice.
[04:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Wow. Kopete gets webcam support in KDE 3.5. I don't have on myself, but still.
[04:25] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *one
[04:26] <tucoz> Do you know if there is some kind of sound buffer that might be tuneable, so that the sound isn't lagging when playing flash-based movies in firefox for instance?
[04:27] <Kiseonik> So, where can I get the source code for the kubuntu kernel?
[04:30] <BlankC> Kiseonik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCompileHowto
[04:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, yeah. raphink, your demerge tool has some dependency issues, I think
[04:31] <raphink> what is it Rogue_Jedi_X ?
[04:31] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Tried to install kaffeine, but it forgot to drag kaffeine-xine and kaffeine-gstreamer along for the ride
[04:31] <Kiseonik> Thanks
[04:32] <Kiseonik> so i presume it's linux-tree-2.6.12
[04:32] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: ?
[04:33] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Remember when you gave me that app you wrote, demerge?
[04:33] <raphink> mhm
[04:33] <raphink> sure I remember
[04:34] <raphink> what is there with it ?
[04:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Well, since I had a broken kaffeine package, I removed everything kaffeine related from my puter and tried to demerge it
[04:34] <raphink> mhm
[04:34] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: It compiled just fine, but it didn't install the backends for it
[04:34] <raphink> what did it say?
[04:35] <raphink> can you paste it to me in a pastebin?
[04:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> um... I kinda shut my puter off in the morning, sorry x_x
[04:35] <raphink> haha ok
[04:35] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'll try it again and paste it into a file, if that's okay
[04:35] <raphink> well I guess I know why
[04:36] <raphink> it must be linked to the stuff I corrected lately
[04:36] <raphink> but I have yet to find a way to set that stuff
[04:36] <raphink> the thing is that
[04:36] <raphink> some source packages create several binary packages
[04:36] <raphink> for example, kdebase creates about 20 .deb
[04:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, like something and something-dev?
[04:37] <raphink> so for example if you try to demerge kdm
[04:37] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: no, that's for libs
[04:37] <raphink> hmm well yes in a way
[04:37] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Oh, sorry. Keep going
[04:37] <raphink> in the sense that a library source packages creates at least two packages, with the -dev
[04:37] <raphink> so you're right on this
[04:38] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I see your point. That may be just a WEE bit troublesome
[04:39] <raphink> yep
[04:39] <raphink> I changed little thing that sets it right most of the time
[04:40] <sorush20> guys how do I install flash for konqueror
[04:40] <raphink> sorush20: you isntall it in firefox first
[04:40] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: That's awesome. So it's like 0.2 now? :)
[04:41] <raphink> then go to konqueror config and adds firefox libs to konqueror
[04:41] <raphink> I'll give it to you Rogue_Jedi_X 
[04:41] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: you could try with apt-build too
[04:41] <raphink> apt-build has another approch to it
[04:41] <berkes> sorush20: and if you do not have FF, you can install it directly, lemme hunt for the howto
[04:41] <raphink> it's much more mature, too ;)
[04:42] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Yeah, but some apps aren't so much mature as they are senile :P
[04:42] <raphink> hahaha
[04:42] <raphink> that's a point
[04:42] <sorush20> the kubuntu people are so much more help full.
[04:42] <raphink> apt-build is more complete
[04:43] <raphink> but it fails sometimes where demerge doesn't fail for some reasons
[04:43] <sorush20> I want to use konqueror because I just want to change all the time.
[04:43] <raphink> and I don't think what demerge does could be easily brought into apt-build
[04:43] <sorush20> Once the extensions for konqueror get going as big as firefox then konqueror is better than firefox
[04:44] <seth_k|lappy> I can't use Konqueror b/c it can't use bookmarklets (JS bookmarks)
[04:44] <seth_k|lappy> and I rely on them too heavily
[04:44] <berkes> sorush20: you can install it from the macromedia site
[04:44] <berkes> seth_k|lappy: YOU CAN
[04:44] <berkes> sorry caps
[04:44] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm just waiting for the gecko engine to be implemented into Konqueror
[04:44] <berkes> they are callled minitools
[04:45] <berkes> and yhe KHTLM engine is much better then gecko
[04:45] <berkes> sorush20: http://freebsd.kde.org/howtos/konqueror-flash.php
[04:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> berkes: It is?
[04:45] <seth_k|lappy> berkes, they don't work for me, what voodoo do I need?
[04:45] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: I'll just make a short CHANGELOG really quick ;)
[04:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Sure, no rush
[04:46] <berkes> Rogue_Jedi_X: yup. It passed the acid2 test, it has better suppotr for css3 and better support (by now) for ugly IE page hacks
[04:46] <berkes> sorush http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux&P3_Browser_Version=Netscape4
[04:46] <berkes> seth_k|lappy: do you have the konq plugins installed?
[04:46] <Rogue_Jedi_X> berkes: Did not know that. What's acid2, by the way?
[04:47] <seth_k|lappy> Rogue_Jedi_X, http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/
[04:47] <seth_k|lappy> berkes, erm
[04:47] <Kiseonik> back to slackware. bye and thanks :)
[04:47] <berkes> Rogue_Jedi_X: its a test, when the browser passes it, it is fully standard compliant
[04:47] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Spiffy
[04:47] <berkes> konq is the second (after safari) to pass that (in kde 3.5)
[04:48] <berkes> and most of all, html is much faster then gecko, so they say
[04:48] <seth_k|lappy> berkes, looks like I have konq-plugins installed, yes
[04:48] <berkes> seth_k|lappy: then visit "settings" >> plugins 
[04:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Speaking of which (kde 3.5), any idea how to start my puter without starting kdm?
[04:49] <berkes> there you find two tabs, one is called "Hulpmiddelen" here, duno the english one :)
[04:49] <seth_k|lappy> hehe
[04:49] <seth_k|lappy> Scan | Plugins
[04:50] <berkes> seth_k|lappy: no, not the the general settigns
[04:50] <seth_k|lappy> oh
[04:50] <berkes> teh one above that
[04:50] <berkes> settings >> Fo Bar PLuings
[04:50] <seth_k|lappy> ah, they're called Extensions here
[04:50] <seth_k|lappy> mini-tools, yeah, there it is
[04:50] <berkes> yea, choose that one
[04:51] <berkes> check that one, its the konq ersion of what you want :)
[04:51] <raphink> I'm surprised grubconf is not in ubuntu... I'll have to add it ;)
[04:51] <raphink>  it's so great a tool
[04:51] <mornfall> grubconf? what is that good for
[04:51] <berkes> seth_k|lappy: it needs some brushin, but minitools work. 
[04:51] <mornfall> when we have update-grub...
[04:51] <seth_k|lappy> cheers berkes 
[04:51] <raphink> mornfall: how do you deal with splashimages with update-grub ?
[04:51] <mornfall> splashimages? oh my
[04:51] <berkes> seth_k|lappy: one hint: do not import your huge tree of bookmarklets at once. 
[04:52] <mornfall> raphink: i don't reboot ;-)
[04:52] <raphink> haha
[04:52] <raphink> ok
[04:52] <mornfall> raphink: only for kernel updates or power outage
[04:52] <berkes> seth_k|lappy: 'cause the minitools do not have hierarchy. 
[04:52] <seth_k|lappy> mmkay
[04:52] <raphink> mornfall: kubuntu is a desktop distro, with many newbies who don't understand why we use grub while lilo looks nicer
[04:52] <raphink> it could be nice to have nice splashimages to propose them for grub
[04:52] <berkes> so basically it present you one huge list of em ;/
[04:53] <raphink> creating a grub splash shouldn't be so long ;)
[04:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> There are some nice Kubuntu-specific grub splash images on kde-look.org
[04:53] <sorush20> any data recovery software around I messed up my partitions, I made a new partition from free space but my original full part of the old partition has become empty?
[04:53] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's where I got mine, in fact
[04:53] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: hot from the oven
[04:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Sweet! Will try out
[04:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Anyone know of an app that doesn't compile long?
[04:55] <raphink> Rogue_Jedi_X: then there could be a kubuntu-grub-splashimages package in universe
[04:55] <Rogue_Jedi_X> kvirc was a bad idea
[04:55] <raphink> that could be nice
[04:55] <raphink> haha
[04:55] <mornfall> raphink: newbies need better things to care about than prettiness of the 2-3 second boot prompt
[04:56] <raphink> mornfall: some do mind :p
[04:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31630 <- I use this one
[04:56] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Though there are others
[04:56] <mornfall> raphink: so those who mind should fix
[04:56] <mornfall> easy as that =)
[04:57] <raphink> pff
[04:57] <raphink> I'm surprised you're not using LFS mornfall ;)
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> raphink: tallented people don't have to be machochists
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> ;)
[04:58] <raphink> Kamping_Kaiser: sorry?
[04:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> (02:27:39) raphink: I'm surprised you're not using LFS mornfall 
[04:58] <raphink> so ?
[04:58] <raphink> what's wrong with LFS?
[04:58] <mornfall> raphink: it's about 800% more work than neccessary
[04:59] <raphink> I just say people who think things have to be fixed by the users should use LFS ;)
[04:59] <raphink> mornfall: for you maybe ;)
[04:59] <mornfall> raphink: i didn't say users, i said those who mind
[04:59] <raphink> mornfall: there are grub splashimages existing for ubuntu
[04:59] <raphink> I'll just grab them, make a package out of them
[04:59] <raphink> that'll take 1 hour or so
[04:59] <neoncode> Hey does flashplayer for linux (the "offical" one) need any fonts to work properly? Fonts won't display....
[05:00] <termleech> i just added the kde 3.5 repo to my kubuntu installation, i was wondering how to upgrade to kde 3.5?
[05:00] <mornfall> so it's you who minds and who will fix it :-) so i was right anyway
[05:00] <raphink> termleech: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:00] <termleech> raphink: thank you
[05:00] <jjesse> sudo apt-get update first
[05:01] <bl3ssing> Good Day people
[05:01] <bl3ssing> ho'wre you doing ?
[05:01] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Blessings to you, child
[05:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi bl3ssing
[05:01] <neoncode> bl3ssing: Not too good, as no one wants to help me. T_T
[05:03] <MenZa`> !ubuntu
[05:03] <ubotu> I heard ubuntu is an easy-to-use GNU/Linux desktop distro based on Debian.  http://ubuntu.com http://ubuntuforums.org http://wiki.ubuntu.com. It means 'Humanity to others'. see !awards
[05:03] <_root> hi all
[05:03] <MenZa`> !mount
[05:03] <ubotu> well, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[05:03] <MenZa`> :p
[05:03] <neoncode> !kubuntu
[05:03] <ubotu> Kubuntu is Ubuntu+KDE, not a fork ; see http://kubuntu.org and you can go to #kubuntu for KDE-related help, or install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[05:03] <Rogue_Jedi_X> How does one install a KDE update? Something tells me that kdm should not be running when doing so
[05:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_X: it can, jut restart striat after
[05:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> ubotu: I thought Kubuntu was Ubuntu-Gnome+KDE
[05:04] <ubotu> Rogue_Jedi_X: NO SPEAKE ENLISH!
[05:04] <raphink> does that work better Rogue_Jedi_X ?
[05:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Kamping_Kaiser: Oh, that's cool then. Thanks for the info
[05:04] <_root> i have LCD display which supports 1280x1024 resolution, but in my display option highest resolution to choose is 1024x768. in xorg.conf file my display is recognized as just "generic".
[05:04] <_root> i coudnt find driver for my display
[05:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: So far so good. Tried something reasonable this time. ktuberling
[05:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Rogue_Jedi_X: yes, it's -Gnome
[05:05] <raphink> ok
[05:05] <_root> is there any way to solve this problem?
[05:05] <neoncode> sometimes virtual desktops can be a curse If you carn't rember what is open where doing what...
[05:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> _root: don't brows as root, and as for your question, when you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, select 'medium' toward the end, and select the res yhou want
[05:06] <newbie_> If I'll have some errors on my kubuntu ... what should I do? reinstall the kubuntu? :(
[05:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Errors on kubuntu? Heavens!
[05:06] <neoncode> difine errors
[05:07] <_root> kamping_Kaiser, thanks
[05:07] <bl3ssing> when I'm trying to modify something in System Seetings, it will appear a window saying that one error occured ....
[05:07] <bl3ssing> :-(
[05:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: 'erroers'?
[05:07] <bl3ssing> and ... another one ...
[05:08] <kkathman> bl3ssing: its a bit difficult for us to help, when you arent specific :)
[05:08] <bl3ssing> when I'm using the Adept ... if I'll press install/keep ... for some times ... than ... Adept it will crash and ... it will not consider my new functions I've said to it to do ... it will just blocke so that I won't be able of seeing what it is doing ... 
[05:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: what if you use apt
[05:09] <mornfall> bl3ssing: bug#? backtrace? how to reprocude?
[05:10] <mornfall> reproduce*
[05:10] <bl3ssing> kkathman: a huge problem is this one: I'm trying to make a new folder on my desktop. When I want to look on it, it  appears the Open With Window; why? I didn't ask for any Open with window, but for opening the contained information of the new folder I've created ... 
[05:10] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you need to pin the applications you have updated or modified first.
[05:10] <bl3ssing> apt ... is this Apdet? 
[05:10] <bl3ssing> what you mean kkathman; sorry bro ... I don't understand (you know I'm a newbie ... but .. on my way of becoming the best one. :-)) LOL ...)
[05:11] <regeya> bl3ssing, 'apt' is the command-line package management system.  Adept is a graphical client.
[05:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: apt- is how you work with packages in a terminal
[05:11] <regeya> !apt
[05:11] <ubotu> apt is, like, http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AptGetHowTo/ or http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto
[05:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Success!
[05:11] <raphink> good :)
[05:11] <kkathman> bl3ssing: open your /etc/apt/preferences file, then pin each application you have changed (i.e. want to keep)
[05:12] <kkathman> bl3ssing: that will permanently keep them
[05:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: i think under the circumstances, he can probably aford to lose them....
[05:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: In the end, I opted for megahal since ktuberling would do a recompile of the entire kdegames package
[05:12] <raphink> I'm packaging some grubsplashimages if you want to try Rogue_Jedi_X 
[05:12] <raphink> hehe ok
[05:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: Sure. Random ones or Kubuntu-specific?
[05:12] <raphink> kubuntu-specific
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: can you open konsole?
[05:13] <raphink> there is already a package named grub-splashimages for general ones
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> untill that quick change thying it was alt+f2, not sure now
[05:13] <raphink> so I'm making a kubuntu-grub-splashimages one that just adds kubuntu specific ones
[05:13] <gise> hi
[05:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi gise
[05:14] <gise> hi
[05:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> raphink: That's cool. I was actually looking at the grubsplashimages package the other day. Having a Gentoo splash screen just ain't right
[05:15] <raphink> hehe
[05:15] <raphink> ok I didn't finish the copyright part but I'll send you the first package
[05:16] <gise> some body talk
[05:16] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, my net is about to get axed. See ya
[05:17] <raphink> ok
[05:17] <raphink> I'm gonna try some stuff
[05:17] <raphink> bye for now
[05:18] <kkathman> bl3ssing: im not sure I understand your question on the folders on your desktop.
[05:18] <gise> como se configura el sonido en ubuntu
[05:19] <jbueler> umm i am really new at this and was wondering what it would take to get an external Usb hard drive to be mounted and available?
[05:19] <kkathman> gise Ingles, por favor
[05:19] <MenZa`> !es
[05:19] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:19] <MenZa`> :P
[05:19] <jjesse> jbueler: did you just try and plug it in?
[05:19] <jbueler> yeah
[05:20] <gise> ok tank you
[05:20] <MenZa`> np
[05:20] <kkathman> jbueler:  you'll need to create a mountpoint for it in /media  then mount it using the mount command
[05:20] <bl3ssing> ok kkathman; I'll try to explain in a better way ... :-) "I want to open the New Folder I've allready created on my Desktop. I can't ... cause when I'm opening it the "Open With Window" is appearing and I don't need that window, but the window which might show me the information of the New Folder I've said about in the beginning. Do you understand now kkathman? Hope so ... :-) Sorry for ... "
[05:20] <bl3ssing> my wick of explication
[05:20] <bl3ssing> :(
[05:21] <kkathman> bl3ssing: how did you create the folder on your desktop in the first place?
[05:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> very broeken system
[05:21] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: probably
[05:22] <Drakeson> have you guys tried yahoo mail in konqueror? for me some buttons do not work properly
[05:22] <Drakeson> e.g. reply button
[05:22] <kkathman> bl3ssing: did you just right click and create it?
[05:23] <gochoo> Hi all, i have some trouble with VPN in kubuntu, i have connected to VPN server, and i send huge amount of data, but recieves nothing, ANY IDEA?
[05:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> brill mate :D
[05:23] <bl3ssing> I've pressed with my mouse on Desktop; than ... on Create New ... And than ... New Folder. :-)  ...
[05:24] <bl3ssing> kkathman: 
[05:24] <kkathman> cheers!
[05:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> ta!
[05:24] <kkathman> bl3ssing: ok..and the purpose of this folder, is what ??
[05:25] <bl3ssing> you're perfectly right Drakeson ... and it is not only for the reply button, but for Mark As Unread Mail ... too. I'm using right now the Mozilla one
[05:25] <kkathman> bl3ssing: because I just created a new folder, like you, and when I click it, Konqueror automatically opens it
[05:25] <bl3ssing> the purpose was to open the window to get to the etc/apt/preferences ... from the gui one, not from any konsole. kkathman
[05:25] <bl3ssing> yeap ... this happend to me before, but not anymore. :-(
[05:25] <bl3ssing> oh ... I see.
[05:25] <bl3ssing> I got it.
[05:25] <bl3ssing> hold on kkathman
[05:25] <bl3ssing> I think this was the reason ...
[05:26] <bl3ssing> I've uninstalled kongueror
[05:26] <bl3ssing> and I'llneed to open it with a browser, right? :-)
[05:26] <bl3ssing> hhhehehe
[05:26] <kkathman> bl3ssing: I dont understand why you wanted to create a folder to open a file...you just simply open the file using your favorite text editor 
[05:26] <bl3ssing> thanks kkathman ... good idea.
[05:26] <kkathman> no
[05:26] <kkathman> bl3ssing: dont create a folder at all :)
[05:26] <bl3ssing> hehehe kkathman
[05:27] <bl3ssing> but ... how can i get into the etc/apt ... or another directory without any konsole?
[05:27] <bl3ssing> :-(
[05:27] <bl3ssing> kkathman: 
[05:27] <bl3ssing> ...
[05:27] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:27] <mark---> If I do a 'complete removal'  of Kontact (for example) will it also remove my data files? I'm having some sort of corruption problem and want to completely reinstall kde-desktop on my breezy ppc.
[05:27] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you are running kubuntu right?
[05:27] <raphink> :)
[05:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> mark---: anything you change *should* get left, but usual bakcups warning
[05:28] <bl3ssing> right bro ... kkathman
[05:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: do you have konsole?
[05:28] <mark---> yes, I've already backed up in preparation for this maneuver... thanks.
[05:28] <kkathman> bl3ssing: then ALT-F2 and type kdesu kate, which will open a text editor, then manipulate to the path and file you want
[05:28] <bl3ssing> yeap Kamping_Kaiser, but I don't want to use konsole for viewing a containing folder right now ... 
[05:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: no, in linux there are files ;)
[05:30] <kkathman> Kamping_Kaiser: precisely
[05:30] <rinux> alguien habla espaol?
[05:30] <kkathman> yah actually thats true :)
[05:30] <redondos> hi. should I dist-upgrade to get kde 3.5?
[05:30] <bl3ssing> I don't have any preferences file ... on the apt Fol... (kkathman hates the word F...)
[05:30] <bl3ssing> :-)
[05:30] <redondos> rinux: yo.
[05:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[05:30] <kkathman> !es
[05:30] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[05:30] <rinux> oye, acabo de instalar el KUBUNTU
[05:31] <rinux> y no puedo escuhar mp3
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> bl3ssing: what you want is sorces.list
[05:31] <rinux> que podr hacer?
[05:31] <redondos> rinux: entra a #ubuntu-es
[05:31] <kkathman> rinux: Ingles solomente aqui
[05:31] <kkathman> hope that was right
[05:32] <redondos> pretty much
[05:32] <kkathman> thanx redondos :)
[05:32] <redondos> "Aqu solamente se habla Ingls"
[05:32] <redondos> anyway, how can I install KDE 3.5?
[05:32] <sorush20> I want to be able to recover data from my HDD, its a Maxtor 160GB EIDE Udma 133 I think, 5400 rpm, I was installing Kubuntu and I choose the option to repartition the free space and install a new Kubuntu linux to that partition also removing some space from the free spcae to make new swap partition? There was about 52gb used on hda1, and swap was 2.6 gb, the The rest was free. After the new partition was made and I boot
[05:32] <redondos> I was about to "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade" but I'm not so sure.
[05:32] <kkathman> redondos: you might want to wait...just a few days...the final KDE 3.5 is coming out
[05:32] <_alien> hello all, just installed 3.5 on Breezy, can't find superkaramba, any suggestion ?
[05:32] <kkathman> redondos: otherwise you'll be installing a release candidate
[05:33] <kkathman> _alien: alt-F2 and type superkaramba
[05:33] <redondos> wasn't it out today?
[05:33] <kkathman> redondos: well, I dont think its made it to the repos yet
[05:33] <MenZa`> when kde 3.5's released, is it possible to update by a simple konsole command?
[05:33] <kkathman> maybe it has 
[05:33] <redondos> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[05:33] <redondos> MenZa`: try "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[05:33] <MenZa`> ta :)
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> redondos: the source is out today
[05:34] <kkathman> MenZa`: yes  just a simple Adept update or apt-get update
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> the debs will flow throught in the next few days
[05:34] <kkathman> it should be in the ubuntu repos in a day or two Im sure
[05:34] <kkathman> if that
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> KDE is fairly chunky
[05:34] <kkathman> yep
[05:35] <_alien> 'Could not run the specified command'
[05:35] <MenZa`> redondos: updating :D
[05:35] <kkathman> _alien: if that doesnt do it, then its not there
[05:35] <redondos> MenZa`: great... you did add the kubuntu repository, right?
[05:35] <_alien> weird, thought it would be built-in along with 3.5
[05:36] <kkathman> _alien: superkaramba isnt part of 3.5
[05:36] <_alien> oki
[05:36] <MenZa`> redondos: I'm assuming it's downloading from the kubuntu repositories by standard :S?
[05:37] <kkathman> MenZa`: 3.5 is not in the repositories yet
[05:37] <redondos> listen to kkathman 
[05:37] <_jkop> moin
[05:38] <MenZa`> redondos: Uh oh... So, what's this then :S?
[05:38] <MenZa`> an RC?
[05:38] <MenZa`> Can I abort it :O?
[05:39] <redondos> control+c
[05:39] <redondos> MenZa`: read http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[05:39] <jbueler> kkathman: forgive my ignorance....I'm trying to switch everything over from windows...how do I create a mount point...
[05:39] <redondos> that page suggested that if I added the repository they list there, I could get v3.5 final. so I did and I am upgrading at the moment.
[05:39] <redondos> jbueler: create a directory anywhere. there you go, you have a mount point.
[05:39] <MenZa`> awesome redondos 
[05:40] <redondos> :)
[05:40] <reagleBRKLN> my control settings applet doesn't work when i click the general app in 3.5
[05:40] <jbueler> ok then how would I use that to access my external usb drive?
[05:40] <reagleBRKLN> perhaps because replace by "systemsettings"
[05:41] <kkathman> jbueler: well theoretically, USB Drives **should** automount, that is..when you plug it in. However I guess there are times that they dont :)
[05:41] <jbueler> yeah:(
[05:41] <MenZa`> redondos: I did the first two commands - just apt-get install kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key then?
[05:41] <redondos> jbueler: mounting it there. for a quick test try: sudo mkdir /mnt/usb ; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb -t vfat -o rw,users
[05:42] <reagleBRKLN> plastik icons look pretty bad too
[05:42] <redondos> MenZa`: that's for adding this guy's gpg key.
[05:42] <jjesse> redondos: doesn't usb drives automount?  mine does
[05:42] <bl3ssing> jjesse: you're right, it does.
[05:42] <redondos> MenZa`: do this: sudo aptitude update ; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[05:42] <redondos> jjesse: yes, they should, but in case it didn't
[05:42] <MenZa`> (; seperates lines, aye?)
[05:42] <redondos> MenZa`: ayer.
[05:42] <redondos> MenZa`: aye*
[05:42] <MenZa`> danke sehr :P
[05:42] <redondos> MenZa`: np. can also use &&
[05:43] <kkathman> yes USB drives should automount...if they dont, try attaching them, then rebooting
[05:43] <MenZa`> awesome, thanks mate :D
[05:43] <kkathman> the 2.6 kernal should autodetect it on reboot
[05:43] <redondos> np.
[05:44] <kkathman> if not...theres something weird going on and you have to do alot of things
[05:44] <bl3ssing> has anybody any idea why I can't see my cd-rom files ...? If I'm in konsole (like midnight commander ...) I can see them, but not from my desktop. :-(
[05:45] <kkathman> bl3ssing: I dont know midnight commander, but the standard kubuntu install, puts a symlink at the root level so be sure to use it
[05:46] <bl3ssing> the Adept has crashed again. :-(
[05:46] <bl3ssing> I've pressed Install packages and than keep them ... and it crashed. ;(
[05:46] <bl3ssing> where can I send this bug?
[05:46] <bl3ssing> cause it must be fixed.
[05:46] <bl3ssing> ;)
[05:47] <bl3ssing> how can I use that symlink at the root level ... kkathman? :-)
[05:47] <kkathman> bl3ssing: http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/
[05:47] <kkathman> bl3ssing: click on it
[05:48] <ting> oh hi
[05:48] <ting> I am trying to install kde 3.5 and running into problems.. so can anyone help ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96679
[05:49] <MenZa`> ting: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[05:49] <MenZa`> Those instructions should work
[05:49] <MenZa`> :P
[05:49] <kkathman> ting: what kinds of problems
[05:49] <ting> shud i tell here
[05:49] <ting> os should I give url >>
[05:49] <ting> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96679
[05:50] <MenZa`> can anyone recommend a nice cd-writer application to burn anything?
[05:50] <ting> k3b menza
[05:50] <MenZa`> ty
[05:50] <ting> btw menza those instructions dont work
[05:50] <MenZa`> ting: I'm using them myself :S
[05:50] <ting> yeah
[05:50] <ting> fine
[05:50] <MenZa`> redondos:  is aswell :P
[05:50] <ting> but in my case they arent working
[05:50] <MenZa`> :O?
[05:50] <ting> so please help if possible
[05:50] <ting> shud I post the problem here
[05:51] <ting> or you prefer the URL ? 
[05:52] <jkop> moin
[05:52] <ting> Menza : you still there ?
[05:52] <MenZa`> ting: I'm not really an advanced user of ubuntu, so I can't tell you, sorry :<
[05:54] <ting> hmm ok no probs
[05:54] <ting> menza : btw did u try k3b ?
[05:54] <blueyed> Riddell: have you packaged kde 3.5? kamera and therefor kdegraphics are still not upgraded.. I'm currently dist-upgrading, will take a closer look later.
[05:55] <ting> kkathman : did u look @ the URL http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=96679 
[05:55] <ting> ?
[06:04] <kkathman> brb
[06:11] <kkathman> back
[06:11] <kkathman> did I miss anyone's question...appologize I had to take a phone call
[06:12] <blueyed> Riddell: kamera: Depends: libgphoto2-2 (>= 2.1.6-1ubuntu6.1) but 2.1.6-1ubuntu6 is to be installed
[06:12] <Dr_Fate> can I apt-get the new KDE?
[06:12] <conn> hi, I want to compile an app but I don't know what packages I need to enable KDE support, what's the name for the KDE dev packages?
[06:12] <Dr_Fate> yet?
[06:13] <kkathman> conn: kubuntu-desktop
[06:13] <conn> kkathman: no, I'm running kubuntu, I mean the KDE *dev* packages
[06:13] <kkathman> conn: the development is I think.. kde-libs  but let me check
[06:14] <kkathman> conn:  do a apt-cache search kde | grep libs    then take a look there
[06:16] <conn> kkathman: thanks
[06:17] <kkathman> conn: you may wish to get package kde-devel also
[06:17] <kkathman> conn: that usually gives you a decent start
[06:18] <_alien> anyone knows where to find mldonkey and kmldonkey ? Even with universe and multiuniverse enabled I can't find them
[06:18] <troy> has anyone had any luck installing the new 3.5 release packages on amd64? (don't want to much up my system if they are broken)
[06:19] <kkathman> troy: best to wait until its in the repos :)
[06:21] <haypo> hi! can someone help me on Kmail? I would like to import my emails from Evolution, but import menu item is gray (disable) !?
[06:21] <troy> kkathman: it won't be in the official repos until dapper I'm sure - but what about http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[06:21] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone here use amarok?
[06:21] <troy> I do :)
[06:21] <_alien> I do
[06:22] <Sonny_Wertzik> troy, do you use the new version 1.35 or greater?
[06:22] <_alien> 1.3.1 here
[06:23] <Sonny_Wertzik> _alien, me too ...im wonder if the new version has internet radio built in
[06:23] <l3m> yay. kde3.5 final
[06:23] <_alien> @Sonny afaik 1.3.5 doesn't have it but not quite sure
[06:24] <MenZa`> k3b f*cking owns >:D
[06:24] <conn> hey, anyone that installed kde 3.5, did you notice packages held back? is that normal?
[06:24] <troy> Sonny_Wertzik: I'm using 1.3.1 I think...
[06:24] <l3m> conn the i don't have packages hold back, but i upgraded from 3.5rc1
[06:25] <pointwood> wee....KDE 3.5 final :)
[06:25] <Sonny_Wertzik> dang ...it would be nice if amarok was set up to get shoutcast listings and stuff...does anyone know if the new version has that?
[06:25] <conn> l3m: is it safe to manually select these packages?
[06:25] <conn> there's 14 kept back including kmail, knotes and kontact
[06:26] <l3m> conn: well there is a reason why they're held back. 
[06:26] <l3m> conn: at least my desktop still works fine
[06:26] <l3m> but ofcoz there's no guarantees
[06:27] <kkathman> l3m: are there ever any guarantees ?? hehe
[06:28] <troy> I'm trying it now with kde 3.5 on amd64 - I'll let you folks know in a while
[06:28] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone know a place to get gimp script-fu scripts?
[06:28] <troy> it changes like 150 packages :)
[06:28] <conn> I'll try enabling the other repos and see, but it seems it depends on libgnokii2 which isn't installable
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Is kubuntu being rereleased?
[06:29] <troy> DaSkreech: no, there won't be a new release until Dapper
[06:29] <DaSkreech> so more or less apt-get kde 3.5?
[06:29] <kkathman> DaSkreech: just updated soon
[06:29] <kkathman> DaSkreech: not yet  its not in the repos
[06:30] <DaSkreech> kkathman: Understood but I mean you won't have a 3,5 iso?
[06:30] <l3m> ubotu: kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[06:30] <kkathman> no
[06:30] <ubotu> ...but kde3.5 is already something else...
[06:30] <troy> kkathman: it's in Jriddel's repos
[06:30] <troy> built for breezy
[06:30] <l3m> ubotu: no, kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[06:30] <ubotu> l3m: okay
[06:30] <kkathman> troy: yes I know
[06:30] <l3m> !kde3.5
[06:30] <ubotu> kde3.5 is, like, totally, http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Totally!
[06:30] <troy> kkathman: he makes the official repos too, so I'll trust it :)
[06:30] <kkathman> but 5 million people hitting one repo?  yeah... you can download for 16 hours
[06:31] <kkathman> troy:  I trust it too :)  just Im not that anxious
[06:31] <kkathman> nope..Im a safety nut :)
[06:31] <l3m> ;)
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Won't someone think of the bandwidth?
[06:32] <l3m> DaSkreech: we do. we feed it kde3.5!
[06:32] <l3m> brb
[06:32] <troy> I'll have to restart shortly, but download is blazing fast :)
[06:32] <Tm_T> Iwan't my 3.5!
[06:32] <Tm_T> but, Dapper gets it later :/
[06:33] <DaSkreech> hows Dapper btw?
[06:33] <reagleBRKLN> sound server keeps dieing loading extension from '/usr/lib/libarts_akode.la' failed: file not found
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Started going crazy unstable yet?
[06:33] <reagleBRKLN> and akode conflicts with libakode2 which is required by juk
[06:34] <kkathman> Dapper is a bit unstable at the moment..but people are running it
[06:34] <troy> I like how each package is separated in ubuntu...
[06:34] <kkathman> its entering tha chaotic stage :)
[06:34] <DaSkreech> kkathman: ok I'll run it through December and then upgrade our dev box to it at work some time Feb06
[06:35] <reagleBRKLN> hrmm... sounds works with akode, but not with libakode2 which is what juk is dependent on
[06:36] <conn> question, and please don't flame me.. is there a kde/gtk2 theme that mimics the windows 2000 widgets properly? The "Redmond" style is ugly (Windows 95-esque), can someone help?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> kde-look doesn't help?
[06:36] <conn> DaSkreech: I never found it there
[06:36] <DaSkreech> :-(
[06:37] <kkathman> conn: there is a gdm called, I think, xpde that is supposed to mimic windows, but its a full gdm not an overlay to KDE
[06:39] <reagleBRKLN> i neededi needed libakode2-mpeg libakode2 libarts1-akode
[06:39] <redondos> kkathman: gdm=gnome display manager
[06:39] <redondos> kkathman: xpde is a desktop environment
[06:39] <sveri> hello everybody, i even installed kde 3.5 on breezy and now my kde panel is vanished, does someone know how i can get it back?
[06:40] <reagleBRKLN> still can't play mp3s though
[06:40] <redondos> you can use gdm/kdm/xdm to launch xpde
[06:40] <troy> sveri: try-> ALT-F2 "kicker"
[06:40] <redondos> and xpde uses xpwm as its window manager.
[06:40] <kkathman> yep
[06:41] <kkathman> redondos: lol I consider gdm = graphical desktop manager (im old school sorry) 
[06:41] <reagleBRKLN> i need to set output to akode
[06:41] <kkathman> gdm was a term coined by Xerox back in the 80s
[06:41] <reagleBRKLN> i can do that in juk, how to do that for other apps
[06:41] <kkathman> Linux just thinks it made it up :)
[06:41] <redondos> kkathman: ok
[06:41] <kkathman> but I understand :)
[06:42] <kkathman> I let my age slip every once in a while
[06:42] <redondos> can lead to confusion
[06:42] <sveri> troy: that didnt do it, but i even deleted my kickerrc and now i got it back
[06:42] <redondos> that acronym doesn't even appear on http://www.abbreviationz.com/bs.asp?st=gdm&CRAWL=1&SE=1
[06:43] <kkathman> redondos: considering that most people on LInux are under the age of 22  I have to keep in mind that abbreviations are not always universal lol
[06:44] <conn> kkathman: I think it's "safer" to try http://metatheme.org
[06:44] <redondos> kkathman: I don't mind new acronyms, but that one doesn't exist.
[06:45] <redondos> it would be mentioned in more than 500 pages according to google http://xrl.us/izm9
[06:45] <redondos> but ok, I like new expressions, so whatever
[06:45] <kkathman> conn: I never really tried that XPDE  just heard about it..seems to be reasonably good for people that cant get Windows off their mind :)
[06:46] <kkathman> redondos: well it was very commonplace at Xerox :)
[06:46] <redondos> I see
[06:46] <redondos> what were you developing?
[06:46] <kkathman> redondos: the first windows system
[06:46] <redondos> kkathman: I thought that was supposed to be Lisa in the early 80s. correct me if I'm wrong.
[06:47] <kkathman> redondos: few people know that Xerox actually invented "windows" even before MS and Apple
[06:47] <DaSkreech> I knew :)
[06:47] <kkathman> redondos: nope, Apple bought the license from Xerox's "Star" system
[06:47] <redondos> what OS did it run under?
[06:47] <kkathman> redondos: it was its own OS
[06:47] <redondos> unix-like?
[06:47] <kkathman> hardware based
[06:47] <redondos> oh
[06:47] <kkathman> very fast
[06:48] <troy> stupid nick thieves - I go offline for one minute....
[06:48] <redondos> hardware programmed?
[06:48] <redondos> many many boards I assume
[06:48] <kkathman> but Xerox was never good at marketing :)
[06:48] <redondos> heh, they probably learnt from that, since now photocopier=xerox.
[06:48] <kkathman> redondos: yah a typical Star Office System sold for like $30,000 in 1980
[06:48] <troy> KDE3.5 packages for amd64 seem to work as expected, lgoin seems faster
[06:49] <redondos> conn: my god! metatheme looks just like windows.
[06:49] <kkathman> redondos: Xerox also developed Ethernet...and the Star OS was the first to use it commercially to tie to different stations
[06:49] <redondos> kkathman: cool.
[06:49] <kkathman> redondos: Xerox PARC was the schiznit in the 70s and 80s
[06:50] <redondos> you're just too old :)
[06:50] <redondos> j/k
[06:50] <kkathman> redondos: dont I know it :)
[06:50] <redondos> so... such an old schooler and using linux?
[06:50] <redondos> O'
[06:50] <redondos> I'd be using bsd, or solaris... dunno.
[06:50] <kkathman> redondos: thats why I hang out with all the young pups ... to stay young :)
[06:51] <troy> most old school unix people end up on freebsd I find
[06:51] <MenZa`> God, the danish KDE translation is so god damn horrible :<
[06:51] <redondos> oh I see
[06:51] <redondos> that's a good way of keeping current
[06:51] <kkathman> redondos: that and having 3 kids :)
[06:51] <redondos> kkathman: are they FS users?
[06:51] <DaSkreech> kkathman: All up on Pokemon craze then huh?
[06:51] <kkathman> redondos: no, though I got one of them thinking about it :)
[06:51] <redondos> do you even let proprietary software into your house? I don't
[06:52] <kkathman> DaSkreech: nah way past that :)  They are 23, 21 an 16
[06:52] <redondos> cool... just delete all of their partitions and remove the stickers with the serial numbers from their cases. :)
[06:52] <redondos> so it's either you steal, or you use free software.
[06:52] <kkathman> redondos: unfortunately I have like  8 computers in the house being used, only 3 are linux :(
[06:53] <DaSkreech> The rest are hardware based OS?
[06:53] <redondos> haha darkheart 
[06:53] <redondos> DaSkreech*
[06:53] <kkathman> nah all M$
[06:54] <redondos> kkathman: you should convince them.
[06:54] <redondos> using windows does nothing good to either yourself or humanity.
[06:54] <ArthurB> kword: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde3/libkwordpart.so: undefined symbol: _ZNK11KoGenStyles6stylesEi
[06:54] <redondos> using free software, at the very least, supports free software. which is a pretty decent thing to do.
[06:54] <redondos> my mother's computer has windows xp in it
[06:54] <ArthurB> Is it a known problem with kword ?
[06:55] <redondos> I don't know how to run ACAD 2005 under linux.. do you guys happen to know anything about it?
[06:55] <DaSkreech> My Mom doesn't know the difference
[06:55] <redondos> runs very bad under crossover
[06:55] <redondos> DaSkreech: haha, true..
[06:56] <ArthurB> my linux computer has YOUR mom in it
[06:56] <DaSkreech> For her Computer == Evil but necessary
[06:56] <ArthurB> MacOsX == lesser evil
[06:56] <l3m> ArthurB: you probably mixed packages from different repositories
[06:57] <DaSkreech> Plus I change things so often she doesn't know anything about icons etc so she just looks for the words Internet, Email, Letter
[06:57] <l3m> ArthurB: i guess you have at least some from unofficial ones, right?
[06:57] <ArthurB> yeah
[06:57] <ArthurB> but not in that field
[06:57] <DaSkreech> I keep those the same
[06:57] <DaSkreech> So If i wipe one OS and put on another she logs in looks for Letter then writes
[06:57] <DaSkreech> :-D
[06:57] <redondos> ArthurB: I don't see how it is lesser evil.
[06:57] <ArthurB> I mean I didn't mess with koffice
[06:57] <DaSkreech> My Brother knows games though so ... he  can tell
[06:57] <redondos> DaSkreech: what if she's looking for her documents?
[06:58] <l3m> ArthurB: hmm dunno, i have just breezy + kde35 and kword works fine
[06:58] <ArthurB> redondos: well at least you have a decent freebsd underneath
[06:58] <DaSkreech> She has her own partition which I mount
[06:58] <redondos> DaSkreech: she doesn't tell the difference if MS Word opens up a dialog in My Documents and OOO Writer opens it up in ~/ ?
[06:58] <l3m> ArthurB: mostly. os x has it's own flaws, though
[06:58] <redondos> as long as her docs are in there she's safe
[06:58] <redondos> heh
[06:58] <ArthurB> l3m: I messed with xine-engine, kaffeine, amarok and the like... heck HAD TO
[06:58] <DaSkreech> ope
[06:58] <ArthurB> kaffeine is broken in kubuntu
[06:59] <l3m> ArthurB: did you just get the stuff from cipherpunk or from other sources?
[06:59] <redondos> ArthurB: install from svn, it works great.
[06:59] <l3m> ArthurB: and mplayer is > kaffeine anyway
[06:59] <troy> I've got amarok crashing like crazy all of a sudden...
[06:59] <ArthurB> debian unstable
[06:59] <teprrr> doesn't kaffeine crash all the time?
[06:59] <ArthurB> kubuntu's kaffeine yes
[07:00] <teprrr> and if it doesn't crash, it'll keep running on background and then start sucking the resources
[07:00] <l3m> kaffeine = evil. see the light and use mplayer ;)
[07:00] <teprrr> I'm just thinking what's going on there in my installation: E: Method gpgv has died unexpectedly!
[07:00] <teprrr> that's what I get when doing apt-get update
[07:00] <ArthurB> it's sad because it's the default player for kubuntu and it crashes... and not even because of bugs but because of packaging problems
[07:00] <ArthurB> how do you get mplayer to play fullscreen and span the video accross the fullscreen ?
[07:01] <troy> hrm, I have a file in my music dir that's breaking it... stupid files! :P
[07:01] <teprrr> mplayer -fs :)
[07:01] <teprrr> for fullscreen
[07:01] <ArthurB> ur
[07:01] <l3m> -zoom 
[07:01] <ArthurB> command line mplayer then ?
[07:01] <l3m> or cat "zoom=yes" >> .mplayer/config 
[07:01] <ArthurB> better
[07:01] <l3m> for gui
[07:01] <ArthurB> but in the gui config I didn't find zoom anywhere
[07:02] <mrmarcel> hi
[07:02] <l3m> ArthurB: dunno, i don't use the gui. i don't see why i should use my mouse or touchpad to click on tiny buttons which were created in a misguided attempt at copying a realworld interface not sensibly reproducable on a computer. 
[07:02] <l3m> i rather use my keyboard
[07:03] <l3m> hehe
[07:03] <ArthurB> well suppose you suddenly decide you want to change subtitles ?
[07:03] <ArthurB> change the angle
[07:03] <ArthurB> the sound track
[07:03] <ArthurB> I don't like the realworld interface mock up either, but the context menu IS useful
[07:03] <l3m> you can toggle subs i guess 
[07:04] <l3m> b / j 
[07:04] <l3m> to toggle through available subtitles
[07:04] <redondos> I launch mplayer via a script that autolooks for subs in the current dir and load them all up.
[07:04] <redondos> so I can toggle between them with the keyboard.
[07:05] <redondos> I'm off. cya
[07:05] <ArthurB> I love command line, I love to be able to launch mplayer in a script with a zillion parameters to do precisely what I want. I also love a nice GUI when I want to watch videos.... what I do not like is having to learn 50+ keyboard shortcuts
[07:05] <l3m> ArthurB: why would you need any more toggles than just the movie name? 
[07:06] <l3m> -toggles +params
[07:06] <l3m> and the kb controls are simple
[07:06] <ArthurB> I do, depends on the use you make
[07:06] <l3m> but i guess if you prefer the misguided attempt at.....blabla .. 
[07:06] <ArthurB> annyway..
[07:06] <ninHer> hi all
[07:06] <ArthurB> what is happening exactly with kword ?
[07:06] <Dr_Fate> can I apt-get the new KDE?
[07:06] <l3m> ArthurB: all switches easily accessible from the gui can be changed with one key in nongui
[07:06] <ninHer> hi all
[07:07] <Dr_Fate> 3.5
[07:07] <l3m> ArthurB: you mixed sources, therefore you get this error from the dynamic linker
[07:07] <l3m> and sources = apt-sources
[07:07] <l3m> !kde3.5
[07:07] <ubotu> kde3.5 is probably http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:08] <ArthurB> l3m: yeah but it complains about a libkword library
[07:08] <ArthurB> and right now I only have kubuntu sources
[07:08] <ArthurB> installed koffice only from them
[07:09] <Dr_Fate> ArthurB, thanks!
[07:09] <ArthurB> do you *really* think this is interference for having a debian amarok and kaffeine ?
[07:09] <l3m> ArthurB: well just changing the apt-sources doesn't change anything. you'll hvae to install --reinstall all packages from the "evil" repo
[07:09] <l3m> ArthurB: don't mix debian and ubuntu apt-sources.
[07:10] <ArthurB> l3m: even those these packages seem VERY disconnected ?
[07:10] <l3m> ArthurB: if you want a more recent version, make from sources or make your own package, both is quite easy
[07:10] <ArthurB> I only installed a few such packages, and never never anything relevant to libkword
[07:10] <ArthurB> that seems clean indeed
[07:11] <l3m> ArthurB: but you did install something relevant to kword, otherwise you would not get your error
[07:12] <ArthurB> how can I find what ?
[07:12] <l3m> ArthurB: check every binary contained in a package you installed from debian against linkage to libkword
[07:13] <nichead> Hi there! It's great to see automount included in KDE, but I'm not able to configure it the way I want it: To automatically mount a device and open a konsole window with --workdir mountpoint.
[07:13] <ArthurB> how do I do that ?
[07:13] <nichead> The problem is that konsole doesn't handle system:/media/sda1 -links as konqueror does.
[07:13] <l3m> ArthurB: the easy part is to check linkage: "ldd <file> "
[07:13] <nichead> Any idea, how to achieve what i want to do?
[07:13] <l3m> ArthurB: the hard part is to find out which binaries ( programs, libraries ) to check
[07:13] <PupenoL> Hello.
[07:14] <PupenoL> Why installing fam wants to uninstall the whole KDE ?
[07:14] <dbrouwer> hi all, does anybody know where the file detect-autoconf.sh is?
[07:14] <l3m> ArthurB: probably apt-file all your debian packages 
[07:14] <l3m> filter
[07:14] <l3m> and ldd
[07:14] <roh> hi
[07:14] <Dr_Fate> just apt-get Kubuntu desktop?
[07:14] <Dr_Fate> I'm not in Kubuntu
[07:15] <Dr_Fate> just want to use the new KDE 3.5
[07:15] <l3m> Dr_Fate: do you have ubuntu? 
[07:15] <ArthurB> arthurb@coin:~$ ldd /usr/bin/amarok | grep kword
[07:15] <ArthurB> arthurb@coin:~$ ldd /usr/bin/kaffeine | grep kword
[07:15] <ArthurB> done
[07:15] <Dr_Fate> l3m, yes
[07:15] <l3m> ArthurB: lol. check the libraries installed too, and the libs of all dependencies
[07:16] <Lord_Athur> hi
[07:16] <l3m> ArthurB: someone with such a .. basic.. understanding of debian technology should not mix repos
[07:16] <dbrouwer> autoconf: not found
[07:16] <dbrouwer> *** AUTOCONF NOT FOUND!.
[07:16] <dbrouwer> *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer
[07:16] <ArthurB> find / | xargs ldd | grep kword ?
[07:16] <dbrouwer> SORRY
[07:16] <l3m> !kde3.5
[07:16] <ubotu> somebody said kde3.5 was http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:16] <roh> somebody knows how to enable 3D acceleration in kubuntu? (laptop, Intel i810)
[07:16] <l3m> Dr_Fate: ubuntu and kubuntu are the same
[07:16] <l3m> Dr_Fate: just use above link
[07:16] <ArthurB> roh: poor you
[07:16] <dbrouwer> that autoconf is the error i get, but i have 2.59 installed, any ideas?
[07:16] <l3m> roh: should be enabled by default
[07:16] <PupenoL> Is it possible to make fam run a script when a file is created/changed in a certain folder (can famd do that ? or another service ?) ?
[07:16] <ArthurB> try getting the latest i810 driver at fairlight
[07:17] <teprrr> !kde3.5
[07:17] <ubotu> methinks kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[07:17] <roh> But when I play games in Cedega 5, runs very slowly
[07:17] <ArthurB> Le pb majeur en offshore c'est que tu peux pas faire travailler les gens 
[07:17] <ArthurB> avec salaire, car tu ne peux pas vrifier qu'il travaille 8h/j, et il 
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[07:17] <ArthurB> mienne aussi). C'est pour a qu'il faut travailler au forfait. Mais bon, 
[07:17] <ArthurB> c'est  vous de voir.
[07:17] <ArthurB> Sinon, j'ai prix info comme majeure, et a se passe assez bien, mme si j'ai 
[07:17] <ArthurB> pas trop le temps de m'investir comme il faut.
[07:17] <ArthurB> J'espre que toi aussi tu vas bien. Qd tu passes par paris, passe moi un 
[07:17] <ArthurB> coup de fil, on pourra se voir, a m'intresse de voir comment c'est aux 
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[07:17] <ArthurB> A+
[07:17] <Dr_Fate> l3m, right, I did, so in synaptic after apt-get update, when I search for desktop I clikc the Kubuntu-desktop right?
[07:17] <ArthurB> ouppppppps
[07:17] <ArthurB> bah copy paste
[07:17] <ArthurB> please ignore
[07:17] <ArthurB> http://www.fairlite.demon.co.uk/intel.html
[07:18] <l3m> roh: yes. did you try running the same games in windows? it's equally slow. i810 is a crappy 3d accelerator, and using cedega slows everything down even more.
[07:18] <ArthurB> roh
[07:18] <_martin> Hey. Anyone have any good firewall, downloadable through Adept?
[07:18] <l3m> Dr_Fate: hmm no
[07:18] <ArthurB> run   glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[07:18] <kkathman> _martin: firestarter
[07:18] <l3m> Dr_Fate: kubu desktop changes the defaults to kde, i think you want to keep your defaults but check out kde? the just apt-get install kde
[07:19] <l3m> Dr_Fate: after adding the apt-sources in above link
[07:19] <_martin> I'll give it a go
[07:19] <roh> yes, in windows, Counter Strike Condition Zero runs OK
[07:19] <roh> nut in Cedega very slowly
[07:19] <l3m> Dr_Fate: of course, i'd advise you to install kubu desktop because it beats ubu-desktop ;)
[07:19] <ArthurB> roh: what does glx-info say ?
[07:19] <ArthurB> sorry glxinfo
[07:20] <_martin> @kkathman: I just downloaded FireStarter with Adept but I can't find it in any menus... I guess I'm doing something wrong?
[07:20] <l3m> roh: well i know that i can't even play CS on my i810 in windows. 
[07:21] <l3m> _martin: if you want an easy-to-use firewall, i'd suggest guarddog+guidedog. really nice kde guis for NAT and Firewall.
[07:21] <_martin> Hmmm ok...
[07:21] <l3m> roh: but try glxgears as ArthurB suggested
[07:21] <roh> in Cedega, 3D accel test = NO
[07:22] <roh> I dont know glxgears
[07:22] <roh> what's that?
[07:22] <ArthurB> you don't have to know it
[07:22] <ArthurB> just run it
[07:23] <roh> ok
[07:23] <ArthurB> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[07:23] <ArthurB> from a konsole
[07:23] <abdb> I have problem with mounting usb HD. when i type dmesg in console, it finds device, but the usb HD isnt being mounted. i tried to restart but no result. how can i solve this?
[07:23] <roh> ok, I see an animation
[07:24] <roh> in a window
[07:24] <ArthurB> don't resize the window that will popup, leave it in front of everything don't do anything and wait for 10 seconds
[07:24] <l3m> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[07:25] <LjL> how's it that, after adding the kde 3.5-final repository, i'm not getting *any* package upgraded?
[07:25] <ArthurB> roh: ok, the konsole should display a fps
[07:25] <ArthurB> if you get 800fps well, that's fair enough
[07:25] <roh> 586.382FPS - 600 FPS
[07:25] <l3m> roh - that's about what i get 
[07:25] <roh> 620 FPS
[07:25] <ArthurB> ok
[07:25] <ArthurB> you have 3d accel on
[07:25] <ArthurB> sorry :)
[07:25] <l3m> between 500 and 1000 fps
[07:26] <ArthurB> type in glxinfo and past the first few lines
[07:26] <l3m> abdb: did you manually shutdown some services? 
[07:26] <abdb> l3m, no i didnt
[07:26] <abdb> it is fresh kubuntu installation
[07:27] <roh> name of display: :0.0
[07:27] <MenZa`> in Konversation, is it possible to put channels on your left side - it's incredibly confusing when 25 channels just squirm together and aren't even sorted by network :\
[07:27] <roh> display: :0  screen: 0
[07:27] <teprrr> LjL, so hmm, does apt-get update work like a charm?
[07:27] <l3m> abdb: type media:/ in konqueror
[07:27] <roh> direct rendering: Yes
[07:27] <ArthurB> ok
[07:27] <ArthurB> you have accel
[07:27] <roh> server glx vendor string: SGI
[07:27] <Delvien> how do you run glxgears? is it installed when you install your fglrx drivers?
[07:27] <roh> mmm... ok
[07:27] <LjL> teprrr: it does as far as i can see
[07:27] <LjL> teprrr: only, dist-upgrade doesn't upgrade anything
[07:27] <teprrr> LjL, okay. so not the same problem Im having
[07:27] <ArthurB> Delvien, no it doens't depend on fglrx
[07:27] <ArthurB> you probably already have it
[07:28] <teprrr> LjL, check out the policy of some package whicvh should have an updated version
[07:28] <abdb> l3m, i did, but the usb drive isnt there
[07:28] <roh> the problem is just Cedega 5?
[07:28] <l3m> ArthurB: i doubt you can play CS:CZ on an i810. i can't even play CS 1.6 reasonably in windows coz iz's so f*5*%* slow
[07:28] <teprrr> LjL, apt-get policy <package> and check if the installed is older than candidate
[07:28] <roh> In Wondows it works OK with i810
[07:28] <l3m> roh: how much ram do you have? 
[07:28] <LjL> teprrr: for konqueror, it isn't
[07:28] <roh> 512MB
[07:28] <roh> Centrino 1,4
[07:28] <ArthurB> funny, kword crashes when I select text
[07:29] <teprrr> LjL, so can you see 3.5 or 3.5-rc1 konq?
[07:29] <Delvien> Arthurb i have it and running it , how do i find out the FPS ?
[07:29] <ArthurB> roh: Centrino != pentium M
[07:29] <l3m> roh: do you have a full cedega or just the "free" version=
[07:29] <LjL> teprrr: i don't understand the question
[07:29] <LjL> teprrr: Installed: 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1   Candidate: 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1
[07:29] <LjL> teprrr: i had RC2 installed, not RC1, by the way
[07:29] <l3m> LjL: apt-get install --reinstall kde
[07:30] <l3m> rc2 = final, i think
[07:30] <ArthurB> centrino is a buzz marketing word that means unsupported hardware"
[07:30] <Delvien> lo
[07:30] <l3m> ArthurB: centrino is fine
[07:30] <l3m> ;)
[07:30] <LjL> l3m: but if rc2=final, then why are there two different repositories?
[07:30] <roh> free version=Wine?
[07:30] <ArthurB> l3m: centrino => i810 => NOT FINE
[07:30] <l3m> LjL: because the packaging differs
[07:30] <roh> i810 not fine, but in Windows works ok with many games
[07:31] <l3m> ArthurB: well i have a centrino with i810, it's nice on my laptop ( i play games on my desktop box anyway, since my laptop is ultraportable 10'' ) ;)
[07:31] <roh> the problem is Cedega 5 + Linux
[07:31] <Delvien> ArthurB do you know alot about gnome?
[07:31] <ArthurB> not a thing
[07:31] <ArthurB> I don't let no smelly foot touch my des'top
[07:31] <Delvien> Well Anyone know how to have Konqueror be default file browser in GNOME?
[07:31] <kkathman> lol
[07:31] <roh> (I have Windows Xp installed ONLY for Counter Strike LOOOL)
[07:31] <kkathman> Delvien: I dont think you can
[07:32] <l3m> roh: well, the problem is that you try to play a game which runs just about on your computer in an emulator on a different OS. of course emulation = SLOW 
[07:32] <LjL> l3m: you mean they're the same versions but the Kubuntu packages have changed?
[07:32] <ArthurB> I don't think you even wnat to do that
[07:32] <kkathman> Delvien: Konq is a KDE app
[07:32] <Delvien> kkathman i was afraid of that.. Is there any other file browser?
[07:32] <LjL> l3m: if so, still, shouldn't i get some upgraded?
[07:32] <teprrr> LjL, that looks like you've 3.5.0 already installed :P
[07:32] <kkathman> Delvien: uhm.. yah..galleon
[07:32] <l3m> LjL: i mean that the kde is the same, afaik
[07:32] <Delvien> any good?
[07:32] <l3m> LjL: you just have different packages 
[07:32] <roh> ok, thanks for you help
[07:32] <roh> :)
[07:32] <kkathman> Delvien: about like nautilis I guess... course you can use Firefox too
[07:32] <ArthurB> I mean, konq is all about kde integration, kio slaves, etc
[07:33] <kkathman> Delvien: or Opera
[07:33] <ArthurB> it's a little strange to use it with gnome
[07:33] <teprrr> hmm, is that kde3.5 source working? I'm getting size mismatch for several packages...
[07:33] <l3m> works fine here
[07:33] <l3m> worked, that is
[07:33] <LjL> l3m: uh... so, it's different packages, but they have exactly the same version number? are they different or are they just in different directories in the repo?
[07:33] <Delvien> kkathman, do you know how to run Gnome applets ( from the panel) on KDE panel?
[07:33] <roh> I like Gnome, but Konqueror........
[07:34] <kkathman> ArthurB: yah if you are on a pure gnome environment, with no kDE Im not sure Konq would even run :)
[07:34] <roh> its powerful than nautilus
[07:34] <l3m> LjL: i have no idea what packages you have with RC2. 
[07:34] <kkathman> Delvien: sure..they run fine
[07:34] <Delvien> kkathman would have to have all the libraries
[07:34] <Delvien> kkathman do you know how to get the gnome battery monitor on KDE?
[07:34] <l3m> LjL: but there was only one RC for kde3.5, therefore what would have been RC2 is final
[07:34] <teprrr> ArthurB, kkathman, sure konq runs when running gnome or anything
[07:34] <roh> Konkeror works ++ in LAN than Nautilus
[07:34] <kkathman> Delvien: if you have the gnome core (i.e. ubuntu-desktop) you should be able to run ANY gnome app under KDE
[07:34] <LjL> teprrr: "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main" is the final, while i used to have "deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35rc2 breezy main"
[07:35] <teprrr> LjL,hmm
[07:35] <Delvien> kkathman aye, i just cant figure out what command i should be typing to start it
[07:35] <l3m> LjL just --reinstall kde 
[07:35] <_martin> Thanks! GuardDog was just what I wanted! Auto deny everything and select exactly what you want to have access :D :D
[07:35] <kkathman> Delvien: to start what gnome app?
[07:35] <l3m> _martin: yeah, guard dog is great ;)
[07:35] <_martin> :D
[07:35] <Delvien> kkathman the battery monitor that is in the panel of gnome
[07:35] <l3m> _martin: you can also enable nat with guidedog
[07:35] <LjL> l3m: i don't have "kde" installed, nor do i have the whole of "kubuntu-desktop" installed
[07:35] <l3m> they kind of belong together
[07:35] <l3m> ;)
[07:36] <kkathman> Delvien: if you know the name, and you have the gnome core, just Alt-F2 and type the gnome app name there
[07:36] <l3m> LjL: hmm... well then just --reinstall the packages you have, i guess
[07:36] <ArthurB> Yeah but it sound a little like: hey I usually spend holiday in the snowy mountains but really enjoy beach volley, can I install a beach volley field behind my chalet
[07:36] <roh> One question, what instant messenger do you use in your Linux?
[07:36] <kkathman> roh Kopete here
[07:36] <l3m> kkathman: if he has the app, it will work, since apt-get would have resolved any missing dependencies
[07:36] <ArthurB>  /version *
[07:36] <Delvien> kkathman thats the thing i dont know the command. the name is different than the command
[07:37] <kkathman> l3m: true
[07:37] <l3m> kkathman: except for some evil use dpkg --force-something ;)
[07:37] <kkathman> l3m: didnt know where he was coming from tho
[07:37] <kkathman> l3m yah right
[07:37] <roh> I ask because I'm testing amsn-CVS and it's very powerful!
[07:37] <l3m> Delvien: what's the name of your app?
[07:37] <ArthurB> dpkg --force-confilts --are-you-nuts --dont-blame-us-after --ok-well-if-you-insist
[07:37] <l3m> roh: kopete is best, imho
[07:37] <kkathman> Delvien: hmm... you need to find the name
[07:38] <roh> I haven't test Kopete
[07:38] <Delvien> kkathman battery charge monitor http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v119/Kahrgan/ddd.png
[07:38] <l3m> roh: it's incredible ;)
[07:38] <kkathman> ArthurB: hehe  dpkg --force  =   "Screw my system please"
[07:38] <roh> I'm going to test kopete
[07:38] <Delvien> roh gaim is better in most ways
[07:38] <ArthurB> dpkg --sue-waiver
[07:39] <roh> I like Gaim, but amsn have more functions
[07:39] <ArthurB> roh: kopete is really nice
[07:39] <LjL> l3m, teprrr: looking at the two repos "kde35" and "kde35rc2" using a browser, the dates and times for files and directory are exactly the same. so, i guess that "kde35" is simply a symlink to "kde35rc2"
[07:39] <Delvien> kkathman i keep asking in #ubuntu what command i have to type to run it, But gnome users are stupid
[07:39] <kkathman> Delvien: try doing a ps - aux in your konsole and see if you can determine what process is your battery monitor
[07:39] <ArthurB> it is less msn oriented than amsn so it lacks some functions but not much
[07:39] <roh> nut The new Gaim version (2 I think), I have hear a very powerful things
[07:39] <roh> Cam suport, etc
[07:39] <abdb> well i try "mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usbhd" i get "mount: you must specify the filesystem type", so how? what is the correct syntax?
[07:39] <l3m> LjL: hmm makes sense. otherwise apt would have upgraded.... 
[07:39] <l3m> now that you say it
[07:39] <l3m> ;)
[07:40] <kkathman> Gaim is fine, just doesnt look as nice...but it has some features that Kopete does not
[07:40] <ArthurB> Kopete logs are better than gaim
[07:40] <l3m> abdb: hmm the fact that you even have to use a manual mount is an indication that something else went wrong. 
[07:40] <kkathman> Anyone here use Kontact??
[07:40] <ArthurB> I do
[07:40] <jjesse> all the time
[07:40] <l3m> abdb: did you try konqueror and media:/ ??
[07:40] <roh> I have read Gaim 2.0 will become powerful
[07:40] <abdb> sure, no usb drive there
[07:41] <ArthurB> abdb: HAL is broken
[07:41] <ArthurB> it worked for me a week then I don't know what dependency made it failed
[07:41] <kkathman> ArthurB: great...I am just recently having probs with the Kmail part...seems it wont check for mail without me closing the app and restarting it? Any ideas?
[07:41] <abdb> athurB, what is broken?
[07:41] <ArthurB> now media:/ is silent
[07:41] <ArthurB> kkathman: close the app, then restart it
[07:42] <Delvien> kkathman its called battstat-applet-2 but i run it in command line and it doesnt show
[07:42] <kkathman> ArthurB: yah I did that..and it goes out and checks...But then if I click on the "get mail" icon, it goes out and hangs for some dumb reason
[07:42] <l3m> abdb: anyway, man mount would have told you about "usbfs" ;)
[07:42] <Delvien> kkathman actually gives me an error
[07:42] <kkathman> Delvien: can you try to Alt-F2 and type that in then?
[07:43] <Delvien> kkathman thats what i ran it with
[07:43] <kkathman> hmm
[07:43] <kkathman> what erro?
[07:43] <Delvien> lemme run it again
[07:43] <kkathman> sorry... Delvien.. what error do you get
[07:44] <abdb> l3m, it did: "usbfs on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)"
[07:44] <abdb> so what now?
[07:44] <Delvien> kkathman Cannot display location file//battstat-applet-2  ||| Details: There is no default action associated with this location
[07:45] <Delvien> kkathman lemme switch to KDE really quick
[07:46] <roh> Ubuntu (gnome) have an updater like windows, but kubuntu (KDE)???
[07:46] <roh> (Visual updater)
[07:46] <Riddell> roh: adept-updater
[07:46] <kkathman> hey Riddell :)
[07:47] <rikva> adept-updater doesn't run in the systray, does it?
[07:47] <l3m> abdb: sorry, i mean mount -t usbfs /blah /blahblah 
[07:47] <ArthurB> anyone knows about media:/ not showing anything ?
[07:48] <_martin> USB?
[07:48] <Delvien> kkathman back
[07:48] <kkathman> ArthurB: yah it doesnt for me either but I think its because one of my samba boxes rebooted
[07:49] <ArthurB> I don't see anything at all
[07:49] <ArthurB> even local HD
[07:49] <_martin> Had a problem with USB devices not being shown. Solved by updating the system via Adept (the one called "System update wizard"
[07:50] <Delvien> kkathman any ideas?
[07:50] <kkathman> ArthurB: when I do an ls -l  in /media it goes off and waits like 3 or 4 minutes then errors with a mount error on my samba share, but DOES display other things
[07:50] <kkathman> I cant seem to get it to refresh that connection when that one box reboots
[07:51] <teprrr> http://pastebin.com/442511 -- can anyone help me with this?
[07:51] <ArthurB> I don't mean /media
[07:51] <ArthurB> I mean media:/
[07:51] <kkathman> Delvien: did you try typing that command in kde?
[07:51] <Delvien> kkathman aye
[07:51] <kkathman> ArthurB: ???
[07:51] <l3m> is it just me or is the new konqueror crash-prone?
[07:51] <kkathman> I dont use konq :)
[07:52] <kkathman> brb...going to reboot.
[07:52] <ArthurB> l3m: this implies that YOU are crash prone
[07:52] <Delvien> kkathman as it stands it doesnt work in gnome ,unless i right click the panel , click add to  panel and choose it from a list of things to add
[07:52] <ArthurB> weird
[07:52] <kkathman> Delvien: I dunno ... it should work tho
[07:52] <kkathman> Delvien: can you do an Uncle Google and see if there is some other process that should be running?
[07:52] <kkathman> brb
[07:56] <libben> what can i beg my friend to download for remoting his desktop? his on windows. and im obviously on kubuntu 
[07:57] <libben> his == he's
[07:57] <darkheart> libben: Remoting to his desktop or from his desktop?
[07:58] <MenZa`> I think he means from libben's to his friends
[07:58] <MenZa`> :p
[07:58] <libben> remoting his desktop. i was looking at real vnc.
[07:58] <libben> but it wasnt free
[07:58] <darkheart> err...I'm still not clear on whether it's from or to his box.
[07:58] <darkheart> You want to log into his box?
[07:59] <libben> i wanna remote his desktop. to help him with some problems
[07:59] <darkheart> What version of windows?
[07:59] <libben> xp
[07:59] <darkheart> Just have him set up remote desktop for windows, and you use rdesktop to connect to his box.
[08:00] <bl3ssing> jhk
[08:08] <osh> So, kde3.5 is out isn't it? Time to update /topic?
[08:08] <pointwood> yes and yes :)
[08:08] <Delvien> kkathman i have to run kicker AND gnome-panel to have the applets work (works on gnome bar only)
[08:08] <_linus> Hi
[08:08] <Delvien> kkathman this stinks... i want that bat mon
[08:09] <kkathman> Delvien:  Ahhh ok
[08:09] <kkathman> Delvien: cant you find a battery monitor for KDE?  Like maybe a superkaramba widget?
[08:09] <bl3ssing_> is there any msconfig in linux?
[08:10] <Delvien> kkathman i want it on the panel though, SK takes too much mem for what it does
[08:10] <kkathman> bl3ssing: of course not...thats an M$ program
[08:10] <Delvien> bl3ssing why would you want one..... lol
[08:10] <kkathman> really!
[08:10] <_linus> Is it possible to change the directory which apt-get caches the downloaded files in?
[08:10] <kkathman> bl3ssing: what about msconfig are you looking for?
[08:11] <bl3ssing_> I want to cancel one program which's running ... KILLING IT! :-))
[08:11] <bl3ssing_> kkathman: 
[08:11] <bl3ssing_> ...
[08:11] <kkathman> bl3ssing: explain please
[08:11] <bl3ssing_> I don't like that ....
[08:11] <bl3ssing_> yesterday I've changed something
[08:12] <Delvien> Anyone know what i should be installing for this ???? checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[08:12] <bl3ssing_> I wanted to put my xmms to start each time I'm starting my computer, but it doesn't start singing since there's a sound fail ... (If I'm getting in the konsole and typing "killall artsd", than ... if I'll try again the xmms, it will sing; but never when it is my computer starting)
[08:13] <Delvien> since when did people replace the word "PLAY" with sing?
[08:13] <kkathman> bl3ssing: you want to keep xmmx from starting up?
[08:13] <kkathman> Delvien:  hehe...I think bl3ssing has english as a 2nd language
[08:13] <Delvien> bl3ssing amaroK has that option ootb
[08:14] <Delvien> kkathman i think so too
[08:14] <Delvien> kkathman you know what this means i have to install ? checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[08:14] <bl3ssing_> sure kkathman ... but if it is not singing, than I won't ... cause it is disturbing me.
[08:14] <bl3ssing_> :-(
[08:14] <Delvien> ?
[08:14] <darkheart> Delvien: You need to install the qt dev packages.
[08:14] <bl3ssing_> you're right kkathman since my english is not my native lang ...
[08:14] <_linus> Is it possible to change the cache directory of apt-get?
[08:14] <bl3ssing_> :-)
[08:15] <Delvien> kkathman know what they are called?
[08:15] <kkathman> bl3ssing: just go to your ~/.kde/Autostart and remove that symlink
[08:16] <darkheart> I think bl3ssing wants xmms to start up, but his sound server is screwy.
[08:16] <darkheart> So it won't start up on boot.
[08:16] <bl3ssing_> darkheart:  you're perfectly right. :-)
[08:16] <Delvien> thats artsd for you..
[08:17] <kkathman> darkheart: ok..well maybe you can help him ?
[08:17] <_martin> Bl3ssing: sure you havn't forgotten to set the sound system to give control faster? That's a problem I had. The default setting is 60 seconds, set it to 1 sec and it worked
[08:17] <Delvien> kkathman any idea?
[08:17] <Sneaky_Bastard> 'scuse me
[08:17] <Sneaky_Bastard> I'm in dire need of help
[08:17] <bl3ssing_> breally _martin? I'll check it right now. thanks man.
[08:17] <Delvien> i like your name sneaky
[08:17] <Sneaky_Bastard> all my audio died after last package update
[08:17] <Delvien> shoot sneaky_bastard
[08:18] <Sneaky_Bastard> I'm using Breezy
[08:18] <darkheart> kkathman: I would, but I don't know too much about the sound system >_<
[08:18] <Delvien> sneaky_bastard restart X , if that doesnt work do a reboot just to be safe
[08:18] <Sneaky_Bastard> no, you don't understand
[08:18] <Sneaky_Bastard> the drivers somehow got munged
[08:18] <Sneaky_Bastard> reboot does not help
[08:18] <Sneaky_Bastard> alsa-utils does not help
[08:18] <Delvien> o , that sucks
[08:18] <Delvien> reinstall the driver?
[08:19] <Sneaky_Bastard> well that's what I'm trying to find out!!
[08:19] <Sneaky_Bastard> how the hell do I reinstall the audio drivers ?
[08:19] <Delvien> search in adept for alsa
[08:19] <Sneaky_Bastard> KUbuntu did an automagical hardware scan
[08:19] <Sneaky_Bastard> is Alsa supposed to be able to figure out that I have an SB Audigy 1 by itselfF ?
[08:19] <Sneaky_Bastard> there was a kernel update
[08:20] <Delvien> alsa is what most people use as the sound driver thingy :p
[08:20] <Sneaky_Bastard> there is alsa and oss
[08:20] <Sneaky_Bastard> as systems
[08:20] <Sneaky_Bastard> ok
[08:20] <_linus> And esd, by the way :)
[08:21] <kkathman> Delvien: yep
[08:21] <Sneaky_Bastard> well, my application - PureData visual sound language, doesn't know ESD
[08:21] <Delvien> kkathman do you know what the QT dev packages are called?
[08:22] <Delvien> kkathman when i do a checkinstall with this applet, it installs DECnet and locks up my computer, i actually have to do a rescue after something installs DECnet.. 
[08:22] <darkheart> Delvien: Probably something like qt-dev
[08:22] <kkathman> Delvien: depends on what you want
[08:22] <Stormchaser> 'lo. How come kvirc isn't in the apt repository?
[08:22] <Delvien> kkathman  Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[08:23] <kkathman> Delvien: its typically libqt4-dev
[08:23] <Sneaky_Bastard> so what must I do, Delvian?
[08:23] <Sneaky_Bastard> in Adept ?
[08:23] <Delvien> kkathman aye i just isntalled that and it gave same error
[08:23] <Delvien> Sneaky_bastard look for also , and remove, then install the alsa, see if that works
[08:23] <_martin> Anyone checked the test CD for Dapper? Lol @ the amount of bugs, hehe, not stable in long time I presume.
[08:23] <bl3ssing> nobody knows why my problem's still on? :-(
[08:23] <Sneaky_Bastard> ok
[08:24] <Sneaky_Bastard> remove, reboot?
[08:24] <Sneaky_Bastard> then install ?
[08:24] <kkathman> Delvien: ok maybe qt4-dev-tools then?
[08:24] <jbueler> :)
[08:24] <Delvien> kkathman thats installed
[08:24] <kkathman> hmm
[08:24] <bl3ssing> I'm trying to listen to the system sounds same time with the xmms music. Why can't I hear them? :-((
[08:24] <Delvien> anyway to skip ./configure?
[08:24] <Stormchaser> no
[08:25] <Delvien> im not going to auto-apt again.. fooks up my system EVERY time.
[08:25] <_martin> Not sure you can listen to system sounds at the same time as XMMS. I have the same thing here
[08:25] <Delvien> damn old programmers needing DECnet..
[08:25] <kkathman> Delvien: did you try libqt4-core ??
[08:25] <Sneaky_Bastard> Delvien: I need to remove alsa, reboot and then reinstall ?
[08:25] <Delvien> kkathman thats installed too
[08:25] <bl3ssing> tha'ts very sad for linux ... I hate this thing.
[08:25] <Delvien> Sneaky_bastard remove alsa, then install it again (this isnt garaunteed to work, its just a suggestion)
[08:26] <bl3ssing> windows can do this ... but not linux? I don't think so ... It must be a way ... to find it out ...! I'm very sure about this.
[08:26] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:26] <_martin> Maybe you can get it to work. I'm still a Linux nOOb. Only running for 1 month ^^
[08:26] <JakubS> bl3ssing: alsa+dmix can do that
[08:26] <bl3ssing> where from can I take mp3 for free? :-) All kind of ...! :-)
[08:26] <bl3ssing> really?
[08:26] <Delvien> bl3ssing Linux is something you have to work at, thats what makes it so great
[08:26] <JakubS> too bad almost no game works with alsa
[08:27] <JakubS> or sound quality is damn poor
[08:27] <bl3ssing> I love it ... Delvien and that's why I won't quit with it. Ever!!!
[08:27] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:27] <Delvien> bl3ssing we dont discuss piracy in distro channels
[08:27] <kkathman> Delvien: you might also try libqt3-headers
[08:27] <Delvien> kkathman those are installed too
[08:27] <kkathman> bl3ssing: thats illegal and you know it
[08:27] <Stormchaser> okay... Bit better question... IS there any package, that can control my monitor's configuration?
[08:27] <kkathman> Delvien: hmmm Im at a loss then
[08:28] <bl3ssing> hei, it is not about piracy Delvien! I just need some examples of ... what's the right word in english ... I know it, but forgot it too. :-(
[08:28] <Delvien> kkathman trying to get this http://kbatt.sourceforge.net/
[08:28] <kkathman> Stormchaser: what seems to be the difficulty on your monitor?
[08:29] <bl3ssing> I know it is illegally there, but not in my country (YET!); soon it will be and I'm very proud of this
[08:29] <kkathman> bl3ssing: its illegal everywhere..and its not morally right, whether illegal or not!!!
[08:29] <nalioth> Delvien: do you have kdebase-dev, kde-devel, libqt3*-dev libqt4*-dev and 
[08:30] <nalioth> !xincludes
[08:30] <ubotu> methinks xincludes is for X dev libs, install xlibs-dev xlibs-static-dev and x-window-system-dev
[08:30] <djk_> it's not illegal everywhere.. and morals are insignificant.
[08:30] <darkheart> mp3s aren't necessarily illegal, but that's all I have to say.
[08:30] <kkathman> darkheart: some are not..thats true..but in reality, we all know what the truth is
[08:30] <darkheart> kkathman: Yep.
[08:30] <kkathman> morals are ALWAYS significant
[08:30] <djk_> kkathman: what would the truth be
[08:31] <Stormchaser> kkathman: refresh frequency is all...
[08:31] <_martin> There are always multiple sides of any story. If I make MP3's of my own original and recorded music and share it with people it's not illegal since I'm the owner of the music and have to copyright to it
[08:31] <Delvien> nalioth yep have all 3
[08:31] <djk_> kkathman: don't mention truth then ;)
[08:31] <kkathman> Stormchaser:  you might check your xorg.conf file then
[08:31] <nalioth> Delvien: you have the xincludes?
[08:31] <kkathman> blah djk_
[08:31] <Berik> hi, where can i find a repository for Codeine?
[08:32] <Delvien> nalioth fix includes?
[08:32] <nalioth> Delvien: read EVERYTHING i wrote above and follow the conversation tree
[08:33] <termleech> is there any easy way to create a .deb from an rpm?
[08:33] <djk_> alien
[08:33] <termleech> ty
[08:33] <JakubS> weird, Xorg.0.log says direct rendering: Enabled but glxinfo disagrees
[08:33] <JakubS> card is i915
[08:33] <Delvien> nalioth installing x-window now
[08:34] <JakubS> is there some debug switch to investigate it more?
[08:34] <Delvien> nalioth nope get the same error
[08:34] <Delvien> Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 2.2.2) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation!
[08:35] <nalioth> Delvien: you need libqt3*-dev and libqt4*-dev
[08:35] <nalioth> Delvien: * is a wild card and means "any combination of characters"
[08:35] <Stormchaser> kkathman: I'm aware of that, but are there any tools to modify xorg? I don't want to fry my monitor...
[08:36] <Delvien> nalioth i have libqt3-mt-dev installed
[08:36] <Delvien> nalioth and libeqt4-dev is installed as well
[08:36] <nalioth> Delvien: there are more -dev pkgs than that, iirc
[08:36] <teprrr> tpr@tulibuntu:~$ /usr/bin/update-menus.real
[08:36] <teprrr> Segmentation fault
[08:37] <teprrr> anyone seen this before? all post-installs which try to run the menu seem to hang
[08:37] <Delvien> nalioth i only see those when i search libqt3 and libqt4 , there are things like libqt3-mysql and stuff
[08:37] <bl3ssing> the MP3 are not illegally as long as you've converted them from the originally cd you've bought them, right? that kind of mp3 I do have ... so I'm not ILLEGALLY listening to my own mp3-s; and ... one more thing: IT IS IMORALLY TO TAKE UNORIGINALLY MUSIC FROM INTERNET WITHOUT PAYING!!!
[08:38] <JakubS> ok, found, it would be cool if kubuntu installed libgl1-mesa-dri by default
[08:38] <Delvien> nalioth does this mean anything ? ii found it in the confi.log  int magnolia = QEvent::Speech; /* new in 2.2 beta2 */
[08:38] <nalioth> Delvien: are you running breezy standard kde or the 3.5 tree?
[08:38] <Delvien> nalioth breezy standard
[08:38] <Delvien> nalioth 3.4.3
[08:39] <bl3ssing> nalioth: can I ask you something? I want to hear more sounds smae time (with differents audio programs or the same...).  Why can't I? :-(
[08:39] <nalioth> bl3ssing: i'm not up on kde sound issues
[08:40] <JakubS> bl3ssing: 1) need to setup dmix, 2) apps have to use alsa instead of oss
[08:40] <bl3ssing> I can't find any dmix on my Adept. Why? 
[08:40] <JakubS> kde, xmms and lots of other stuff can use alsa as backend so it should not be a problem
[08:40] <bl3ssing> :-( 
[08:41] <Delvien> nalioth http://pastebin.com/442573 this might help
[08:41] <bl3ssing> wow ... that's cool ...
[08:41] <JakubS> bl3ssing: because it is already part of alsa and you have it installed
[08:41] <bl3ssing> oh, I see.
[08:41] <teprrr> breezy should use dmix as default, afaik
[08:41] <bl3ssing> so ... should I start alsa instead of xmms?
[08:41] <teprrr> use alsa plugin instead of oss plugin in xmms
[08:41] <nalioth> Delvien: i suspect you are missing -dev libs
[08:41] <JakubS> teprrr: really? withe kernel <2.6.13 it requires /etc/asound.conf
[08:42] <Delvien> nalioth hehe , happen to know which ones :P
[08:42] <teprrr> JakubS, that's at least what I've been told..
[08:43] <bl3ssing> COOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
[08:43] <bl3ssing> it is working. Thanks guys...
[08:43] <bl3ssing> God bless all of you.
[08:43] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:43] <bl3ssing> I'm so excited.
[08:43] <bl3ssing> I told you people I won't be dissapointed. :-)
[08:44] <JakubS> bl3ssing: http://tlug.dnho.net/?q=node/127 - asound.conf for enabling dmix
[08:45] <teprrr> bl3ssing, so you can now play from different sources? :p
[08:45] <bl3ssing> yeap teprrr
[08:45] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:45] <bl3ssing> thanks ... terr
[08:45] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:46] <bl3ssing> teprrr
[08:46] <Berik> hi, where can i find a repository for Codeine?
[08:46] <Delvien> nalioth im trying to install this http://kbatt.sourceforge.net/
[08:47] <Delvien> nalioth if i auto-apt it it installes DECnet which locks my computer up , and i have to do a rescue because after that linux wont boot
[08:47] <teprrr> bl3ssing, oh, cool :)
[08:48] <JakubS> yup, synaptics and direct rendering now work
[08:50] <bl3ssing> kkathman: how can i change the backgroung of the kvirc ... this one where I can watch what people are chatting about in the kubuntu channel? I've tried to find it by myself, but nothing.
[08:50] <bl3ssing> :-(
[08:50] <bl3ssing> what is Codeine doing, Berik? :-)
[08:51] <nalioth> Delvien: i'm not much help other than what i have offered
[08:51] <nalioth> Delvien: what is "DECnet"?
[08:51] <bl3ssing> which's the best irc people? somebody said that irss, kvirc ... x-chat, konversation ... any other one ... a better gui one? :-)
[08:51] <LjL> darkheart: just don't install DECNet perhaps?
[08:51] <LjL> ops
[08:51] <LjL> i meant, Delvien, just don't install decnet perhaps?
[08:51] <Delvien> nalioth i have no idea but it wants to istall that and the dnet packages
[08:51] <LjL> Delvien: auto-apt *asks* what you want to install and what you don't
[08:51] <Delvien> ill try it again :/
[08:51] <Delvien> !checkinstall
[08:51] <ubotu> it has been said that checkinstall is http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[08:52] <nalioth> Delvien: you realize that kbatt is ancient, right? klaptopdaemon has that functionality in kde 3.4/3.5
[08:52] <LjL> Delvien: another possibility: run configure under auto-apt, DO NOT install everything, and let it fail
[08:52] <nalioth> Delvien: i mean, REALLY ancient
[08:52] <LjL> Delvien: then only install the *last* package that auto-apt had asked you about
[08:52] <LjL> Delvien: then repeat the process
[08:52] <Delvien> nalioth i know hehe, but its exactly what im looking for a better LOOKING battery mon
[08:53] <nalioth> Delvien: then look to some themes/icon packges
[08:53] <nalioth> Delvien: or superkaramber or conky or gkrellm
[08:53] <Delvien> nalioth does klaptop handel the meter (the green showing less when the batters powery go down) ?
[08:54] <nalioth> Delvien: yes it does
[08:54] <Delvien> nalioth so in theory i could use the icons from Gnomes Battery monitor (which is what i wanted to begin wih )
[08:55] <Delvien> nalioth my orignal plan was to use Gnomes Battery Charg monitor in KDE panel, but i cant figure out how to make it work
[08:55] <Judax> nalioth: DECnet is a networking protocol used by DEC equipment: VMS o/s, etc.
[08:56] <Delvien> it locks up systems if you install it to the wrong kind of machine :P
[08:56] <nalioth> Delvien: you'll have to convert the image formats
[08:56] <bl3ssing_> hello people
[08:56] <bl3ssing_> :-)
[08:56] <bl3ssing_> I'm on irssi
[08:56] <Delvien> nalioth aye thats no problem 
[08:56] <bl3ssing_> it is a nice interface ... but a simple one. :)
[08:56] <bl3ssing_> I'd love to have a better gui irc ...
[08:57] <Delvien> nalioth happen to know where those icons are?
[08:57] <Berik> try xchat
[08:57] <Berik> or konversation
[08:58] <lithium> hi all
[08:58] <nalioth> Delvien: try kde-look.org or www.deviantart.com for battery monitor themes
[08:58] <JakubS> bl3ssing_: one vote for konversation :-)
[08:58] <Judax> bl3ssing: I like konversation or kvirc
[09:00] <JakubS> mmm, fish:// rocks so much :-)
[09:00] <Berik> anyone know where to get Codeine?
[09:01] <lithium> is it to restore the original kde images in the kmenu and the konqueror activity image?
[09:01] <osh> KDE3.5 is pretty. Some good improvements too. :-)
[09:01] <JakubS> too bad upgrade to 3.5 on kubuntu wants to remove amarok :-(
[09:01] <osh> JakubS: What does fish:// do?
[09:01] <LjL> bl3ssing_: listen, could you give me a screenshot of you X-Chat running? i'd like to see what is going wrong with its interface
[09:01] <Delvien> osh hows it run?
[09:02] <LjL> bl3ssing_: because i am pretty sure that x-chat is the client that you remember from red hat
[09:02] <osh> JakubS: Didn't for me. Remove amarok that is.
[09:02] <osh> Delvien: Very good. Not that 3.4 was bad, but 3.5 really feels like a step up. :-)
[09:03] <JakubS> 3.5 changes provides kdelibs4c2a instead of kdelibs4c2 (yet another abi breakage) and amarok relies on latter
[09:03] <JakubS> s/changes//
[09:04] <Delvien> anyone else find that kfind is absolutely useless?
[09:04] <osh> JakubS: That's funny. I am on 3.5 now and amarok is still availible and working.
[09:04] <osh> JakubS: via xine if that matters...
[09:04] <JakubS> time to another apt-get update it seems
[09:05] <_linus> I'm sorry, stupid question: How's the "boot.local" from SuSE called in Ubuntu?
[09:06] <l3m> JakubS: you have dapper packages
[09:06] <LjL> _linus: what's boot.local in suse?
[09:06] <l3m> JakubS: use the breezy ones
[09:06] <l3m> for kde 3.5
[09:06] <l3m> !kde3.5
[09:06] <ubotu> [kde3.5]  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[09:06] <l3m> ^^ these
[09:07] <JakubS> nothing breaks that way?
[09:08] <_linus> LjL: I don't know exactly ^^ I have to mount the apt-get cache folder on another partition, and as I don't want to do this manually every time, I was told to write it into the boot.local (which is called different in Ubuntu)
[09:08] <l3m> JakubS: no. c2a = dapper, c2 = breezy
[09:08] <LjL> _linus: uh, i'm not sure
[09:09] <_linus> LjL: Well, I'll do it manually, I anyway don't need it that often. Thanks anyway :)
[09:09] <l3m> _linus: just use fstab to mount it? 
[09:09] <_linus> l3m: Hm, I have to use mount --bind for mounting a folder, which is not possible in the fstab, as far as I know...
[09:10] <l3m> _linus: mount the whole partition somewhere and place a symlink=
[09:10] <l3m> ?
[09:10] <_linus> >toilet ^^
[09:12] <bl3ssing> sure LjL; I'll give you in a sec. :-)
[09:13] <bl3ssing> how can I send you the screenshot? 
[09:13] <bl3ssing> LjL: ?
[09:13] <_linus> l3m: Hm, I first try the manual mount --bind
[09:13] <getaceres> has anyone updated to kde 3.5?
[09:13] <LjL> bl3ssing: in the menu, Graphics / KSnapshot
[09:13] <LjL> bl3ssing: save it, and then you can load it into the pastebin
[09:14] <l3m> _linus: yeah, but if you have to do this everytime i think it would be way easier to just mount the partition and symlink that folder. hmm why do you want to mix the apt cache anyway?
[09:14] <osh> getaceres: yes
[09:14] <bhna> getaceres: yes
[09:14] <l3m> getaceres: yes
[09:14] <libben> how long will it take before ff 1.5x is in repos? cause its final release tonight
[09:15] <bhna> think ivman is obsolet for kde3.5?
[09:15] <getaceres> do you have the "get new stuff" button in kopete enabled or disabled?
[09:15] <getaceres> I have it disabled, I don't know why
[09:15] <_linus> l3m: I just have to do this when upgrading the whole distro, like now from Hoary to Breezy
[09:15] <osh> getaceres: get new stuff?
[09:16] <_linus> l3m: I just haven't got enough space for the whole stuff, but still enough for smaller updates or programs
[09:16] <JakubS> bhna: i think yes
[09:17] <SbCl3> is kde 3.5 available on apt?
[09:17] <pointwood> yes
[09:17] <bhna> SbCl3: www.kubuntu.org
[09:17] <getaceres> yes, in the configuration, of kopete, where you configure the emoticons and chat style used, is a disabled button that's supposed to let you install new themes from kde-look.org automatically
[09:18] <SbCl3> well, i think kde 3.5 is big enough for a topic change
[09:18] <getaceres> just like the wallpapers you can install through the get new stuff interface
[09:18] <osh> getaceres: yes, install new theme is disabled for me.
[09:19] <osh> getaceres: sorry, get new themes.
[09:19] <getaceres> well, I have it in spanish, so I don't know how it's in english
[09:19] <bl3ssing> LjL: how can I send the picture to you? :-( through the pastebin I can't find the opportunity of uploading .... :-(
[09:20] <getaceres> anyway, there are two main features in kopete in KDE 3.5: Webcam support and get new stuff integration
[09:20] <getaceres> it's a shame that kubuntu blocks one of them
[09:20] <djk_> bl3ssing imageshack.us for example is a image-hosting-site.
[09:20] <osh> www.putfile.com i think too.
[09:21] <djk_> or rapidshare.de ;)
[09:21] <LjL> bl3ssing: use this pastebin http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/
[09:22] <bl3ssing> Ljl ... http://img314.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xchatsnapshot15lx.png
[09:22] <bl3ssing> :-)
[09:24] <LjL> bl3ssing: well, it looks right to me. it's probably just that it looked better with red hat's gnome theme
[09:25] <Redleer> is there any difference between ubuntu and kubuntu except kubuntu uses kde?
[09:25] <LjL> Redleer: no
[09:25] <Redleer> :)
[09:26] <sambagirl> how long it taking to register a channel?
[09:26] <sambagirl> test
[09:26] <sambagirl> oh nevermind
[09:27] <libben> rofl http://www.2december.co.uk/
[09:29] <libben> how long will it take before ff 1.5x is in repos? cause its final release tonight
[09:30] <osh> libben: dunno
[09:30] <libben> would be nice with a official made deb into the repos when it gets released
[09:31] <libben> so sick and tired of this slow browsing. 1.5 far more superior and better
[09:31] <bl3ssing> how can I install a file? I got a gz here and I want to install it. How can I do it ...? what command should I use ...
[09:31] <osh> libben: it will. i just dont know how long it takes.
[09:31] <l3m> hmm konqui and opera are far superior to firefox, i wonder why people care for it so much ;)
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[09:31] <seth_k> libben, rc3++ is already in dapper, 1.5 final will be in shortly
[09:32] <libben> whats rc3++?
[09:32] <seth_k> a version that is greater than rc3
[09:32] <ttrocal> Hello, a problem has recently emerged on my Breezy system where I am unable to log back on to my KDE session after the screen has been locked.  It will tell me my password is invalid, though I'm sure it is not.  I can still log in through KDM normally.  What might be wrong?
[09:32] <osh> l3m: because it's the first browser to make a dent in IE's stats.
[09:32] <seth_k> but less than 1.5
[09:32] <libben> whats rc3?
[09:32] <seth_k> o_0
[09:32] <djk_> libben: release candidate 3??
[09:33] <libben> u mean there is firefox version 3 in dapper?
[09:33] <andre> getaceres: add "ForceNewStuff=true" to your kopeterc in the ChatWindowSettings-section to enable the feature. it was disabled because it's acting a bit strange sometimes
[09:33] <l3m> osh: yeah, but on linux there are far superior programs ;)
[09:33] <seth_k> libben, http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/ o_0
[09:33] <andre> getaceres: it's not kubuntu's fault
[09:33] <seth_k> Release Candidate 3, dude
[09:33] <getaceres> andre: Thanks
[09:33] <andre> np :)
[09:33] <getaceres> what is the strange behavior?
[09:33] <blocky> kopete + webcams is awesome
[09:34] <andre> not being able to deinstall themes and other misbehaviours
[09:34] <getaceres> i'll try it
[09:34] <osh> l3m: perhaps. also, I've gotten my bank to support firefox. I think they'll go bananas if I throw konqeror on them.. ;-)
[09:35] <l3m> hehe
[09:35] <djk_> osh: isn't the reason that ff makes a dent in IEs stats the kiddies who love FF because it is FF. sorta like a recursive loop, thankfully finite loop
[09:35] <bl3ssing> how can I install a file? I got a gz here and I want to install it. How can I do it ...? what command should I use ...
[09:37] <osh> djk_: I think most people love the plugins. I got my father hooked on FF because of the popup-blocker and the plugins.
[09:39] <blocky> can somebody tell me where the msn webcam should appear in kopete?
[09:39] <djk_> osh: seems to me that people who like the plugins usually don't know what other progs are capable of. oh well.
[09:39] <sampan> is there an easy way to import firefox bookmarks into konqueror?  i can't even find the file where konq stores bookmarks :/
[09:40] <seth_k|away> sampan, it's easy, just open the Konq bookmarks manager, then File > Import > Mozilla
[09:40] <seth_k|away> sampan, the bookmarks for Fx are stored in ~/.mozilla/firefox/
[09:41] <SbCl3> if kde has updated successfully, should i see version "3.4.3" on the "About KDE" window? it does't seem right, but i logged off and that's all that's required for the kde update i think
[09:41] <sampan> seth, thanks -- i just looked there and my eyes slid right over that import line 
[09:42] <bl3ssing> how can I start EPICirc  program
[09:42] <dbrouwer> hi all, upon ./configure i get: "configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check"  any idea's?
[09:42] <bl3ssing> ?
[09:44] <bl3ssing> k ... I'll get some sleep now. God bless all of you. 
[09:46] <blocky> can anyone help me view other peoples webcams over msn in kopete
[09:46] <blocky> its supposed to be supported in the new kde
[09:47] <Tm_T> blocky: what you need to know
[09:48] <darkheart> Anyone know offhand where I can set KDE to allow pop up windows to grab the focus?
[09:48] <blocky> well i tried viewing a friends webcam
[09:48] <blocky> and it said connected fine for him
[09:48] <blocky> but no webcam window appeared on my end
[09:48] <blocky> i forwarded port 6891 and set it to use only that for webcams in the options
[09:48] <osh> dbrouwer: not enough devel-packages installed i'd say.
[09:48] <blocky> but the window doesnt appear
[09:48] <blocky> i dont have a webcam to test
[09:50] <Tm_T> blocky: hmm, it suppose to pop up dialog asking would you like to see or not
[09:50] <blocky> webcam support on msn is really the only thing ive been keeping windows around for
[09:50] <blocky> yea it did
[09:50] <blocky> i said yes
[09:51] <Tm_T> ok, how your friend did "clicked" to send webcam
[09:51] <matrix> some body can help me for instalar vdr?
[09:51] <Tm_T> because what I know about newer MSN Messengers, they try by default get bothways-webcam session
[09:52] <blocky> yea
[09:52] <blocky> it asked me both questions
[09:52] <Tm_T> well, that's not a good idea
[09:52] <Tm_T> ask him to try to send only his webcam
[09:53] <blocky> k
[09:53] <blocky> still not working
[09:53] <blocky> >:|
[09:55] <Tm_T> blocky: it should, it works here
[09:55] <Tm_T> check your firewall etc settings twice more
[09:57] <blocky> what settings exactly?
[09:57] <osh> what's the difference between the "fish" and the "sftp" protocol.
[09:58] <l3m> anyone using lastfm in amarok?
[10:00] <l3m> osh: fish is a graphical ssh while sftp is secure ftp 
[10:00] <l3m> osh:  the underlying mechanism differs, even if kde integration is so nice that it looks the same
[10:01] <dennis_p> ssh is also secure of course :-)
[10:01] <l3m> obviously ;)
[10:02] <osh> l3m: right. thanks.
[10:03] <AlexRMUK> can I get Flash, and erm ... Quicktime in Kubuntu 64bit yet?
[10:04] <blocky> okay well if nobody knows how to make kopete work with msn webcams, can anyone at least tell me how to make display pictures appear normal size in the chat window?
[10:04] <hirs> hi
[10:09] <dennis_p> so I added the deb on http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php to adept, and clicked Update how do I know what kde version will be installed if I click kde meta package 'kde'?
[10:10] <ajeet> Hello, I've just installed Kubuntu, why isn't there a menu entry for Kcontrol, I'm having to run it from a terminal?!
[10:12] <dennis_p> It should be underneath the documentation entry, a screen and a green board icon
[10:12] <Judax> dennis_p: when you click on kde, it will open more detailed info you can see the old and new version
[10:12] <Judax> if you click install, then preview changes button on toolbar you will see what will be changed
[10:12] <hirs> ajeet: right click K menu and add it yourself
[10:13] <dennis_p> 5:44ubuntu2 it says
[10:13] <blocky> has anyone here got webcam support working in kopete?
[10:14] <hirs> blocky: well not tested in a conversation, but I can see tv on the settings window
[10:14] <blocky> when i try to view anyones webcam i dont see anything
[10:14] <blocky> it asks and i accept
[10:14] <blocky> and then no window appears
[10:15] <dennis_p> does 5:44ubuntu2 mean 3.5 or 3.4.x ?
[10:16] <hirs> blocky: sorry I can't help :(
[10:16] <blocky> damn
[10:16] <dbrouwer> anybody know why " make" gives me "starter.cpp:298: warning: unused parameter `int width'" and then error? 
[10:16] <blocky> msn webcam support is the only thing amsn lacks
[10:16] <blocky> but its an important feature
[10:16] <blocky> i was gonna switch to kopete
[10:17] <blocky> when i read the 3.5 announcment
[10:17] <ajeet> Btw, I installed kubuntu via a server install of ubuntu, then doing an apt-get install kubuntu-desktop... Is there a way to bypass that and JUST install a minimal kde system, i tried apt-get install kde, kde-base and others, nothing worked?!
[10:18] <blocky> minimal kde is an oxymoron :P
[10:19] <hirs> does any one tryed kde 3.5 superkaramba?
[10:19] <bhna> ajeet: apt-get install kdebas-bin
[10:19] <bhna> hirs: yes
[10:19] <blocky> yea hirs
[10:19] <blocky> it didnt work properly for me
[10:19] <blocky> some parts work
[10:19] <Chousuke> Hm
[10:19] <blocky> but i couldnt install liquid weather
[10:19] <ajeet> bhna: what does that give me? No kubuntu, just kde on a ubuntu base?
[10:20] <Chousuke> I wish I could install KDE on my folks' computer. :/
[10:20] <Tm_T> who's stopping?
[10:20] <Chousuke> resources.
[10:20] <bhna> ajeet: a minimal kde. not kubuntu
[10:20] <Chousuke> it hasn't got enough RAM to run KDE 
[10:21] <Chousuke> Currently it runs Gnome and it's slow as hell. as far as I know KDE requires even more :/
[10:22] <Tm_T> not true
[10:22] <Tm_T> I used KDE in machine with 64M ram
[10:22] <Chousuke> Which KDE? :P
[10:22] <Tm_T> 3.4.2
[10:22] <Chousuke> But if they ever get a new computer I'll install KDE on it.
[10:22] <Chousuke> I think they'd like it.
[10:23] <ajeet> bhna: just out of interest, is this available from usual default repos? and why is it called kdebas-bin?
[10:23] <Chousuke> especially since kopete now supposedly supports the webcam.
[10:23] <hirs> If you like xfce it exists xubuntu
[10:24] <bhna> ajeet: kdebase-bin -the base of kde system. yes, default repos.
[10:24] <ajeet> bhna: thanks!!!
[10:25] <Chousuke> But hmm.
[10:25] <bhna> ajeet: if you need kdm then apt-get install kdm
[10:25] <Chousuke> If I ever get some x86 hardware, I'll try out KDE4 after it's released.
[10:26] <Chousuke> I hope they have'll some tool even partly equivalent to OS X's quicksilver for KDE4 though.
[10:26] <ajeet> bhna: Thanks! Kubuntu is nice but I want a minimal kde system and to be able to install just what I want; I take it kde-base bin is very minimal?
[10:27] <Chousuke> because which ever desktop gets such a tool first will be the one I'll use :P
[10:27] <hirs> ajeet: you can install apps you like, apt will tacke care of deps, apt-get install kicker konqueror kcontrol
[10:28] <ajeet> btw, how do I enable flash in konqueror?
[10:28] <Chousuke> I'm really excited about this recent development in the Linux desktop front.  
[10:30] <l3m> Chousuke: there's a quicksilver replacement in kde right now
[10:30] <l3m> it's called katapulot
[10:30] <l3m> and it's included in the kubuntu default installation
[10:30] <Chousuke> l3m: how good is it? :)
[10:30] <l3m> katapult
[10:31] <l3m> well it's great
[10:31] <l3m> ;)
[10:31] <Chousuke> if it only launches apps, it's only half way there.
[10:31] <dennis_p> flash? see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats
[10:31] <l3m> Chousuke: try it out... ;)
[10:31] <Chousuke> Wish I could
[10:31] <Chousuke> no Linux installed ATM.
[10:31] <Chousuke> Running OS X on a powerbook. :/
[10:32] <Chousuke> I guess I should download a kubuntu live cd
[10:32] <blocky> okay im gonna switch from kopete back to amsn
[10:32] <Chousuke> amsn!?
[10:32] <blocky> i wanted webcam support
[10:32] <Chousuke> last time I tried it, it was horrible :(
[10:32] <l3m> i have to work on osx all day... so nice when i'm back at a konfortable desktop in the evening ;)
[10:32] <dennis_p> os x is faster on ppc i feel
[10:32] <blocky> can anyone tell me if i need to remove the stable dpkg to isntall the cvs
[10:32] <l3m> os x is sooooooo slow
[10:32] <l3m> even on a dual g5 
[10:33] <Chousuke> I'm very comfortable with OS X
[10:33] <Chousuke> it's a pleasure to use. :)
[10:33] <Chousuke> especially with quicksiler
[10:33] <dennis_p> what is quicksilver/
[10:33] <l3m> dennis_p: press ALT-SPACE
[10:34] <Chousuke> but after KDE4 is out with input method support is out, and some development on katapult/equivalent stuff is done, I think KDE might be just as good.
[10:34] <Judax> I don't know quicksilver, but katapult does more than just apps
[10:34] <Chousuke> Judax: care to tell in a few words what it can do?
[10:36] <Judax> Chousuke: opens apps, but also will do web links
[10:36] <darkheart> After you hit alt+space, what can you do?
[10:37] <Judax> Chousuke: I have only messed with those two parts, so not sure if it has other capabilitites
[10:37] <l3m> quick access to apps, bookmarks, links, whatever
[10:37] <Chousuke> that's nice.
[10:37] <eternal9> having one hell of a time trying to load nvidia drivers 
[10:37] <l3m> Chousuke: i work on osx and kde and i prefer kde. os x is just too ..hmm.. it slows you down 
[10:37] <eternal9> its always telling me that it can't find the kernel for it ? 
[10:38] <l3m> and the apps are worse
[10:38] <Chousuke> QS can also be used to control apps, manipulate files and do random stuff... there are plugins 
[10:38] <eternal9> can anyone help me out 
[10:38] <Chousuke> but I assume katapult will evolve
[10:38] <l3m> Chousuke: you don't need that
[10:38] <l3m> it's already in kde
[10:38] <Judax> eternal9: did you get the nvidia drivers from the repo?
[10:38] <eternal9> no from the site 
[10:38] <dennis_p> evolve into finderpop? :-)
[10:38] <l3m> Chousuke: all quicksilver functionality is
[10:38] <eternal9> nvidia.com
[10:38] <Chousuke> l3m: all of it?
[10:39] <Chousuke> I doubt that.
[10:39] <l3m> Chousuke: maybe you should use kde once in a while.
[10:39] <Chousuke> But I'll try KDE4 anyway when it's released.
[10:39] <Judax> eternal9: is there a reason you need those particular drivers?  I have several installs and the nvidia drivers from repo work fine
[10:39] <l3m> Chousuke: hehe. old habits keeping you on a worse system.. well, you'll learn, one day ;)
[10:39] <Chousuke> Don't have x86 hardware, and there's one feature 3.x lacks anyway that makes it not usable by me.
[10:40] <Chousuke> l3m: What might be worse for you might be better for me, so don't say things like that :)
[10:40] <Chousuke> I very much like how OS X works. Not many complaints.
[10:40] <l3m> Chousuke: kde works as well on ppc as on x86, i don't see what process should have to do with it?
[10:41] <Chousuke> Well, my HD is full.
[10:41] <l3m> processor
[10:41] <Chousuke> well, already partitioned that is.
[10:41] <Chousuke> and can't be bothered to try the live CD
[10:41] <darkheart> Where do you edit what appears in Katapult?
[10:41] <Chousuke> or KDE 3.x
[10:42] <Chousuke> so I'll try KDE 4 when it's released and I have a machine to run it on :)
[10:42] <l3m> Chousuke: then why do you hang around in #kubuntu? ;)
[10:42] <l3m> Chousuke: any machine which runs os x flies on kde
[10:42] <Chousuke> Because I'm interested.
[10:42] <Chousuke> l3m: speed is not essential
[10:43] <Chousuke> it should just get the job done in
[10:43] <dennis_p> l3m: mhm running 10.2 on 266MHz beige mac
[10:43] <Chousuke> as comfortable manner as possible
[10:43] <Chousuke> now carnivale ->
[10:44] <l3m> exactly. comfort is the word. 
[10:44] <ccc_> is kdebase all i need for a kde 3.5 upgrade?
[10:44] <l3m> i need tabbed terminals
[10:44] <eternal9> you mean using the package manager judex
[10:44] <l3m> i need a good IDE ( xcode - lol )
[10:44] <l3m> i don't need a fuckin spinning beach ball all the time
[10:44] <l3m> ;)
[10:45] <ccc_> ...i'm new to kde so i haven't a clue :|
[10:45] <l3m> ccc_ no. "apt-get install kde" 
[10:46] <hirs> ccc_: have you added kde 3.5 source?
[10:46] <ccc_> l3m: ok, thanks
[10:46] <ccc_> hirs: yes
[10:46] <hirs> ccc_: you can also upgrade the system: apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:47] <ccc_> just added the k7 kernel for my amd, should probably let that do its work first
[10:48] <hirs> how can I disable the exit animation in kmplayer?  I can't see any option..
[10:49] <fevoldj2> Hi, I have no-ip setup and I can ping my computer, I forwarded the SSH port 22 to this computer, and nmapped my computer locally to make sure port 22 was open and it is, yet I cannot connect to it even on the network.
[10:50] <darkheart> fevoldj2: is your SSH daemon running?
[10:50] <fevoldj2> I can open an ssh connection locally, so it should be
[10:51] <fevoldj2> Hmm restarting it did the trick oO
[10:51] <Maniqui> hi
[10:53] <Chousuke> l3m: iTerm, eclipse? What's wrong with XCode anyway. :P
[10:53] <Chousuke> l3m: Anyway, arguing about this is pretty pointless.
[10:54] <Chousuke> There are areas where OS X is superior to KDE, and vice versa. 
[10:55] <Maniqui> i have a question: is it possible that the ISO has been corrupted during downloading? because I burned it two times in the same CD-RW, and when trying to install, it says that cannot install all packages, and when I check CD integrity, it says is corrupted
[10:55] <jjesse> yes there is a possiblity
[10:55] <Maniqui> thanks jjesse
[10:55] <Maniqui> i'm dowloading it again
[10:56] <jjesse> maybe change mirror location?
[10:56] <Maniqui> yes, i change it to one in USA
[10:57] <osh> What will happen to kde now that most major distros are going for gnome instead? There's only mandriva (and kubuntu) that does all-out KDE now of the major players, or am I wrong?
[10:57] <l3m> Chousuke: did you try iTerm`it sucks. and Eclipse c++ support is lacking, apart from that is slows down the g5 even more. and if you'd ever tried XCode you'd probably know. I'm just used to the comfort of Konsole/Yakuake and KDevelop3.... 
[10:57] <l3m> Chousuke: indeed. 
[10:57] <l3m> ;)
[10:58] <Tm_T> osh: what you mean? we still have users, sponsors, devels etc etc
[10:59] <l3m> osh: "most major distros" don't go for gnome, all of them offer both ?
[10:59] <dennis_p> yeah, i'm on kde 3.5 from 5.11: ran the 2 commands in konsole, coied deb line in manage repositories in Adept (don't forget the Apply button there) Fetch Updates button and Full upgrade button, restart. done
[10:59] <osh> Tm_T: I was thinking about Suse now latest. They're going for gnome aren't they? I much prefer KDE so I would love to see it on some more distros.
[10:59] <Tm_T> osh: they offer gnome by default, nothing more
[11:00] <l3m> osh: there is no big distro without kde
[11:00] <l3m> osh: and that's for a reason. because there are many happy kde users who don't want to switch, and rather switch distro thatn desktop ;)
[11:00] <osh> Tm_T: But they used to offer kde by default, didn't they? I'm just concerned.
[11:00] <osh> l3m: =)
[11:01] <dennis_p> don't worry they will be back when KDE 4 hits
[11:01] <ccc_> i'm back. 'sudo apt-get install kde' gives me "Package kde has no installation candidate" even though the kde35 repo is added.
[11:01] <l3m> osh: yes, but they got bought by novell, and novell already had a gnome desktop, so of course ( as any sane business would ) they chose to minimize costs
[11:01] <l3m> osh: but if suse stopped offering kde, people would stop using suse
[11:01] <osh> We offer kde (RHES version) at work. It works much better than their gnome counterpart. =)
[11:02] <l3m> especially since one of the primary reasons suse was so successful was that they were the only big commercial distro with kde
[11:02] <l3m> as default
[11:02] <l3m> i think kubuntu will fill that spot quite nicely
[11:02] <l3m> ;)
[11:02] <osh> l3m: let's hope so. I'm here, aren't I. ;-)
[11:02] <dennis_p> Novell Management thought it was strange to tell their customers to use Qt solutions instead of 100% Novell, they will get over that when demand makes them see reality
[11:03] <l3m> dennis_p: well novell can change their product but they can't change market demand
[11:03] <osh> Mandriva still ships with KDE as default afaik.
[11:03] <l3m> especially in europe kde is  used ware more widespread that gnome
[11:04] <l3m> and i think i18n support of kde is more advanced than gnomes
[11:04] <l3m> therefore many non-english speaking countries have more kde users, whereas usa is more gnomic
[11:05] <dennis_p> Yes, but Novell HQ and golfcourse is in the USA so Gnome will be their focus next 12 months
[11:05] <l3m> anyway, the nice things about linux - "it's all about choice" ;)
[11:05] <dennis_p> then demand for KDE 4 will show them reality as demanded outside USA
[11:05] <l3m> well maybe in one year everyone is switching to ebuntu-desktop ;)
[11:05] <l3m> loel
[11:06] <l3m> who cares. kde survived 10 years and only grew stronger
[11:06] <Potter> does anyone know how I enable KDE desktop after I installked Kubuntu on ubuntu?
[11:06] <l3m> and if you check the newsgroups when the first kde is dead posts arrived...must have been 2 hours after kde was announced
[11:07] <l3m> Potter: choose kde in your login manager
[11:07] <dennis_p> lol
[11:07] <osh> So, basically I should just stop worrying then...
[11:07] <l3m> yes. 
[11:07] <l3m> ;)
[11:07] <l3m> well, if you like to worry about things like that, feel free to continue
[11:08] <Potter> I can't find my login manager. >_<
[11:08] <l3m> Potter: it's where you enter your password
[11:08] <l3m> when logging in
[11:08] <l3m> you probably use gdm
[11:08] <l3m> you can switch to kdm or use "kde session" or so in kdm
[11:08] <Potter> I'm asking for a friend; let me see.
[11:08] <Potter> Hehe, okay. Thanks, l3m! ^_^
[11:08] <l3m> ;)
[11:28] <osh> Ok, so FF1.5 is out. When can I expect it on the regular repos? ;-)
[11:29] <andreas__> anyone know how to listthe ports currently in use, and which processes are using them?
[11:29] <andreas__> list the*
[11:31] <osh> andreas__: netstat -an | grep -i listen
[11:31] <osh> andreas__: Shows the listening ports. Omit the grep for all ports.
[11:31] <dennis_p> ash: Pah FireFox is not even Acid2 CSS test compliant, use KDE 3.5 instead :-)
[11:31] <andreas__> thanks osh, but that doesn't tell me anything about what processes are using those ports
[11:32] <osh> andreas__: Getting there.... ;-)
[11:32] <osh> andreas__: Most ports and what processes are described in /etc/services
[11:33] <andreas__> osh this might be a hijacked box
[11:33] <andreas__> I doubt they list their ports in services
[11:33] <osh> andreas__: fuser shows "processes using files or sockets"
[11:33] <osh> andreas__: does that work for you?
[11:37] <andreas__> yes
[11:38] <andreas__> brb
[11:40] <osh> dennis_p: One reason to use FF. http://www.seb.se -> Right side -> Login -> Choose "Privat" in the dropdown. ;-)
[11:42] <dennis_p> :-)
[11:44] <dennis_p> nick taken by famous KDE dev hu :-)
[11:45] <_osh_> dennis_p: me?
[11:46] <dennis_p> osh sounds familiar isn't that an svg guy or something?
[11:47] <_osh_> dennis_p: Dunno. I should probably register a nick but I can't be bothered. I'll just switch if someone demands it.
[11:47] <dennis_p> no matter just think too out loud
[11:47] <dennis_p> I
[11:48] <_osh_> dennis_p: http://www.skandia.se -> login -> testa din dator.
[11:48] <_osh_> dennis_p: another reason for FF.
[11:49] <dennis_p> yeah i know banks and stuff don't know konqueror or standards
[11:49] <_osh_> dennis_p: Sais cookies disabled though. cant be right.
[11:49] <_osh_> time to walk the baby.
[11:50] <dennis_p> even google has set up an auto response for complaining konqueror users