[12:17] <artnay> hey guys
[12:17] <artnay> umh, tango updated. new view-refresh icon x)
[12:18] <artnay> still I don't get it why the yellow spot is on left side in address-book-new icon
[12:18] <artnay> every else *-new icon has it on the right side :o
[12:26] <artnay> derek[] : did you install ubuntu? ;)
[12:31] <derek[] > hi
[12:31] <derek[] > no I didn't yet
[12:32] <derek[] > what is tango?
[12:37] <artnay> http://tango-project.org/
[12:51] <derek[] > OK
[12:51] <derek[] > I'm first learning about FHS: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/fhs/
[12:53] <derek[] > Here's something that may be useful for you:
[12:53] <derek[] > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/icons.html
[12:57] <artnay> that's GNOME's way to handle icons
[12:57] <artnay> AndyFitz is developing Humility
[12:57] <artnay> that should replace the default GNOME set
[12:58] <artnay> well at least it's supposed to replace, although I don't know how things are at the moment
[01:01] <derek[] > k
[01:12] <artnay> ok, I've been updating the todo list: http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo
[01:20] <artnay> If dapper gets Debian's GUI installer, artwork team should put some input on it
[01:23] <klepas> hi you two :)
[01:27] <artnay> hey klepas 
[01:28] <lapo> hi there
[01:28] <artnay> klepas: you're one of the team members, right?
[01:28] <artnay> lapo: hi
[01:29] <artnay> ok, lots of new ppl here. care to give comments on this? http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo
[01:33] <klepas> artnay: yea, 'so-to-say' :)
[01:34] <klepas> And more people.
[01:34] <klepas> Welcome th1nk 
[01:35] <th1nk> hey
[01:36] <klepas> [http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo]  artnay: I'll go over it when I can
[01:36] <klepas> Thanks for taking the initiative to do this. We really need to get a move on :)
[01:38] <artnay> I fully agree. I try to make that list as complete as I can (with help of others, credits are there as well), then I'll post it to the mailing list
[01:38] <klepas> good idea
[01:38] <klepas> it's getting late on my end
[01:38] <klepas> well, soon early actually
[01:38] <klepas> but yea
[01:38] <klepas> will go over when i find the time
[01:39] <artnay> we need to solve out what's there now, what we (community) want, how should the changes be done, what's preventing us to do that stuff etc.
[01:40] <artnay> so if you have information on any of those topics, just keep it coming here
[01:40] <klepas> what's preventing us... well that would be laziness :)
[01:40] <derek[] > Does Ubuntu follow SUS or POSIX?
[01:40] <artnay> klepas: disorganization
[01:41] <klepas> And that too
[01:42] <artnay> derek[] : ubuntu is based on linux and GNU, now isn't it? ;)
[01:45] <derek[] > yeah
[01:45] <derek[] > and linux is POSIX complaint?
[01:45] <derek[] > compliant*
[01:46] <derek[] > (anyway, its offtopic)
[01:47] <artnay> well I don't know how compliant it is, haven't read IEEE's / RMS's standard *g*
[01:47] <artnay> I suppose it's quite native though
[01:48] <derek[] > I think I've read linux's relation to POSIX in the past.. not sure
[01:56] <artnay> bachler: I updated the list a bit
[01:56] <bachler> oh
[01:56] <bachler> im @ school now.. so i cant look right now
[01:57] <bachler> just got my xchat config to schoolcomputer
[01:57] <bach_skol> there..
[02:26] <klepas> guys
[02:26] <klepas> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31941
[02:30] <artnay> it's simple and classy, I like it
[02:31] <artnay> although it still has "GDM flaws" (in point of view of windows user)
[02:32] <artnay> what's that Actions button? for init 6?
[02:33] <artnay> user name and password should separated into two different sections and there should be "OK" button
[02:33] <klepas> it's just a mockup
[02:33] <klepas> :)
[02:34] <artnay> I'm not saying it should be like that by default, but it should be possible. that way migration from windows to ubuntu would be a bit easier
[02:34] <klepas> make it reality, and improve it
[02:34] <artnay> I don't know if it's even possible with the current version of GDM
[02:35] <lapo> only one field for username and passowrd is better imho
[02:36] <artnay> lapo: yeah, when you get used to it
[02:36] <artnay> but image how many support calls help desk would get only for that... don't overestimate people :P
[02:37] <lapo> you always need to get used to "new" things
[02:37] <lapo> the support call came for more serieous issue, like not complete vfs support
[02:38] <artnay> lapo: I'm talking about ppl who only surf the web and do some office jobs
[02:38] <artnay> like 40-year-old female secretary who doesn't even know what OS is
[02:38] <artnay> I prefer the GDM way, but as an option the MS would be good
[02:39] <artnay> ok, remove that female part. It could be a male as well.
[02:41] <klepas> well i'm off
[02:41] <klepas> getting earlier and earlier in the morning =)
[02:41] <klepas> need the sleep
[02:41] <artnay> bye
[02:42] <klepas> btw, lapo: nice accessories icon. great work.
[02:43] <artnay> lapo: what was klepas referring to?
[02:44] <artnay> would you like to show it? :)
[02:44] <lapo> it'svtigert work
[02:45] <lapo> lirj  http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/Icons
[02:45] <lapo> lurk, one key offset :-)
[02:45] <lapo> wait, it's in http://xoomer.virgilio.it/bat/tmp
[02:47] <artnay> hmm, /Icons is a mix of tango and some GNOME influenced icons, right?
[02:47] <artnay> are you doing icons for tango project?
[02:48] <lapo> yes some
[02:48] <artnay> ok, I really like those media icons
[02:48] <artnay> replaced the ones I had with those
[02:48] <artnay> thanks
[02:50] <lapo> these are the current tango media icons
[02:50] <lapo> they need some love btw
[02:53] <artnay> yeah, I noticed they are the CVS icons. kind of blurry, although I might fcuk something up
[02:53] <artnay> what kind of love are planning? colours? shapes?
[02:53] <lapo> I like the shapes, I think I'll plastify the whole set again
[02:56] <artnay> ok. I added a few links to todo lists, mainly to icons section
[05:16] <artnay> ok, to-do list has been changed. I was chatting with mjg59 about Usplash, it's improving
[05:16] <artnay> http://users.evtek.fi/~jirig/artwork-todo