[12:14] <mdke> LaserJock, got it, thanks
[12:15] <LaserJock> mdke: ok cool
[12:15] <mdke> i'm having a strange issue
[12:15] <mdke> the "make server" target in the ubuntu folder isn't working
[12:15] <mdke> the command just seems to stop
[12:15] <mdke> but the command when run on its own, works fine
[12:20] <mdke> oh no, it is just taking a long time
[12:20] <mdke> phew
[12:20] <LaserJock> mdke: really, that must be a long time. I thought the same thing
[12:21] <mdke> weird
[12:21] <mdke> any idea why it is so slow?
[12:21] <mdke> it is superfast if you just run the command?
[12:21] <mdke> s/?//
[12:22] <mdke> i ran the build on our server and it got home ok, but on my laptop it just seems to stop for ages
[12:28] <LaserJock> hmm, it does seem to start faster when I do it from the command line
[12:29] <mdke> it's weird because I haven't actually changed anything that should make that happen
[12:31] <LaserJock> I just timed it on my comp: ~ 3.5 s from command line, ~ 60 s from make server
[12:31] <LaserJock> for it to get started
[12:32] <mdke> weird
[12:36] <LaserJock> I just asked about it in #ubuntu-motu too
[12:36] <mdke> good thinking
[12:40] <mdke> LaserJock, oh well, I've got a package built, now to do a couple of quick tests
[12:40] <mdke> if you've got a working yelp in dapper: http://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/
[12:44] <mdke> ah crap
[12:45] <mdke> jeez i suck
[12:50] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:50] <mdke> hi there
[12:50] <mdke> thanks for coming
[12:50] <mdke> here is the problem
[12:51] <mdke> go to trunk/ubuntu/Makefile and see right at the bottom there is a "make server" target
[12:51] <sistpoty> and it takes quite long... LaserJock already told me on #ubuntu-motu
[12:51] <LaserJock> mdke: btw, the link to the html for the server guide is wrong
[12:51] <mdke> ah yeah
[12:51] <mdke> LaserJock, yeah, fixed :)
[12:52] <mdke> LaserJock, what is your email, and the other author of the packagingguide too?
[12:52] <mdke> sistpoty, the command is real fast in the command line, but takes ages from the make target :(
[12:52] <LaserJock> mdke: its in the .xml file
[12:52] <mdke> ok
[12:52] <LaserJock> mdke: mine is mantha AT chem.unr.edu
[12:52] <sistpoty> mdke: I'm already taking a look ;)
[12:52] <mdke> sistpoty, awesome thanks
[12:53] <sistpoty> mdke: np... thank me only if i can fix it ;)
[12:53] <LaserJock> mdke: I can't rember Ankur's
[12:53] <mdke> got it
[12:56] <mdke> LaserJock, new debs up
[12:57] <mdke> s/debs/deb
[12:57] <LaserJock> mdke: k
[12:57] <LaserJock> same version number?
[12:57] <mdke> sure
[12:57] <mdke> i only fixed a couple of tiny things
[12:57] <mdke> didn't even put them in the changelog
[12:57] <LaserJock> mdke: just wanted to make sure they were there
[12:58] <mdke> :)
[12:58] <mdke> yeah
[12:58] <mdke> i need to read your packaging guide... :)
[12:59] <LaserJock> mdke: Honestly, I haven't changed any content from what Unfrgiven did. I actually think it could quite a bit of work still.
[12:59] <mdke> cool
[12:59] <mdke> most of the docs do :)
[12:59] <sistpoty> mdke, LaserJock: it's taking exactly the same time on shell as by makefile (~16 secs on my system)
[01:00] <mdke> sistpoty, interesting
[01:00] <LaserJock> hmm, that's strange
[01:00] <sistpoty> what shell did you use?
[01:00] <LaserJock> /bin/bash
[01:01] <LaserJock> would it make that much difference?
[01:01] <mdke> me too
[01:01] <sistpoty> no, it wouldn't... i also used /bin/bash to test
[01:01] <sistpoty> did you also do "rm -f ${SERVERBASE}C/*.html" at first?
[01:02] <mdke> no...
[01:02] <LaserJock> yes, at least once. maybe not all the times though
[01:03] <sistpoty> I'm not quite sure what xsltproc does and if it (re)uses any already present files, so maybe that might be the cause
[01:03] <mdke> no i've tried it on a clean build dir :(
[01:03] <LaserJock> but maybe doing it on the shell is artifically fast?
[01:04] <mdke> dunno, it wasn't this slow an hour ago, i've broken it!
[01:04] <mdke> 16 seconds is outrageously fast compared to me
[01:05] <mdke> oh well, at least it builds
[01:05] <sistpoty> I did this within a shell script... I'll retry on the "real" shell
[01:05] <LaserJock> I did "time make server" and I got 3m17s
[01:05] <mdke> lol
[01:07] <sistpoty> hm... still no real difference
[01:07] <mdke> you're lucky
[01:08] <mdke> weird
[01:08] <sistpoty> seems like it... is your system running dapper or breezy (still breezy here)
[01:08] <mdke> breezy
[01:09] <sistpoty> really strange
[01:09] <sistpoty> have you tried a clean checkout?
[01:10] <mdke> no
[01:10] <mdke> i'll do that now
[01:10] <sistpoty> ok
[01:15] <mdke> sistpoty, seems to be still happening with a clean checkout
[01:15] <sistpoty> that's really strange, because it doesn't happen for me :(
[01:16] <mdke> yeah
[01:16] <mdke> no idea
[01:17] <mdke> sistpoty, well thanks for your time. I'll post to the doc mailing list, hopefully someone will see the problem!
[01:18] <sistpoty> ok... I'm just trying another make server... maybe this time it will take longer
[01:18] <mdke> heh
[01:19] <sistpoty> hm... it _does_ take longer 
[01:20] <mdke> gah
[01:20] <mdke> just rebooting to test the package one last time
[01:22] <sistpoty> hm... it still uses same cpu-time... but total time is ~4 mins now... so it must be idle/waiting for s.th. within the makefile
[01:24] <sistpoty> I'll investigate that a little more... but don't hesitate to ask others ;)
[01:24] <mdke> thanks a lot dude :)
[01:24] <sistpoty> np ;)
[01:25] <mdke> LaserJock, the stupid packaging guide still isn't in the yelp menu
[01:25] <mdke> oh i know why
[01:33] <LaserJock> mdke: what happened
[01:34] <mdke> i forgot to put the omf file in debian/install
[01:34] <mdke> it's late... pity me
[01:38] <LaserJock> ok, I just took the :server section of the makefile and made a bash script out of it and I get ~1m24s
[01:39] <mdke> weird that things should be so slow
[01:43] <mdke> my life is complete
[01:44] <LaserJock> mdke: is it in the .deb?
[01:44] <mdke> LaserJock, it is now yeah
[01:44] <mdke> just the xml
[01:44] <mdke> i don't really like the font on the yelp frontpage, it is pretty ugle
[01:45] <LaserJock> ok, I gotta go now. I will be back later
[01:45] <mdke> bye
[05:37] <Madpilot> hi all
[09:05] <mdke> bhuvan, around? thanks for your email to the list, sounds promising, but the patch means that the serverguide doesn't validate
[09:21] <bhuvan> mdke, ping
[09:23] <dholbach> herllas
[09:24] <dholbach> hellas :)
[09:24] <dholbach> if you run  scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q   (which is run once in a month), you get quite a lot of error messages from desktopguide/serverguide)
[09:24] <dholbach> just as a headsup
[09:53] <jsgotangco> hiya
[09:53] <Madpilot> hi jsgotangco
[09:54] <jsgotangco> hey Madpilot 
[09:54] <jsgotangco> hey robitaille pretty busy eh?
[09:54] <jsgotangco> =)
[09:54] <robitaille> jsgotangco,  just playing around before going to bed :)
[09:54] <robitaille> what do you think of these pages?
[09:55] <jsgotangco> pretty neat, its really a chore to go through the logs
[09:55] <jsgotangco> although someone has to update it everytime a log is added or will it just show the latest minutes?
[09:56] <robitaille> exactly.  I was going to announce these pages on planet in a day or two, then hopefully others will add to these logs.  I miss 90% of the IRC meetings, and hate scanning the logs
[09:56] <robitaille> it has to be done manually...
[09:56] <robitaille> but added bonus:  things will show up from meeting when searching the wiki
[09:57] <jsgotangco> why not just link to the html istead of copying/paste to wiki?
[09:57] <robitaille> you still have the find the meeting in the long daily log.  Some meeting covers two log files.  Some days have multiple meetings
[09:58] <jsgotangco> ah right
[09:59] <robitaille> it's an experiment.  If it gets to be too much of chore, I guess it will not get updated
[11:35] <mamoru> hello! is there a russian documentation on GTK+ somewhere?
[03:10] <jjesse> mdke: when you get a chance can you edit the make file for kubuntu so i can build the switching guide?
[03:10] <jjesse> mdke: no big hurry on it
[03:27] <mdke> jjesse, sure. it might not build if it doesn't validate, but I'll give it a go tonight
[03:28] <jsgotangco> hey
[03:29] <mdke> ello
[03:38] <mdke> dholbach, thanks for the heads up. I'll try and reproduce those errors
[03:39] <dholbach> cool
[03:39] <jsgotangco> eh?
 if you run  scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q   (which is run once in a month), you get quite a lot of error messages from desktopguide/serverguide)
[03:39] <dholbach> 6 hours ago :)
[03:39] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[03:39] <jsgotangco> scrollkeeper love
[03:40] <jsgotangco> wonder if the single remaining sk error is resolved
[03:40] <mdke> dholbach, what sort of error messages are they? the files seem to work alright in yelp
[03:40] <jsgotangco> dholbach: are you aware if we're still pursuing LSB or other standard certification?
[03:41] <dholbach> jsgotangco: no idea
[03:42] <jsgotangco> ok
[03:44] <dholbach> /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/serverguide/C/windows-networking.xml:9: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/usr/share/ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent"
[03:44] <dholbach> %gnome-menus-C;
[03:44] <dholbach>                ^
[03:44] <dholbach>  %gnome-menus-C;
[03:44] <dholbach> //usr/share/ubuntu-docs/desktopguide/html/C/index.html:155: parser error : Premature end of data in tag link line 5
[03:44] <dholbach> ^
[03:44] <dholbach> and millions of those :)
[03:45] <dholbach> i can give you a log
[03:45] <mdke> no that's ok
[03:45] <mdke> the first one is pretty obvious
[03:45] <dholbach> might be just missing files
[03:46] <mdke> the second one, dealing with the html, is just weird
[03:49] <dholbach> http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/log
[03:52] <mdke> i see em
[03:53] <mdke> we can fix those I think
[03:53] <dholbach> cool
[03:53] <dholbach> :_D
[03:53] <dholbach> :-D
[03:54] <mdke> the problem is that the addresses to the entities in the documents are by relative path
[03:54] <mdke> and they are quite inconvenient...
[03:55] <mdke> https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml
[03:55] <jsgotangco> mdke: it seems your boss isn't around that much lately :D
[03:55] <mdke> that is a good example
[03:55] <mdke> jsgotangco, i've been working relatively hard recently, just taking a break now :)
[03:55] <mdke> most of the work i've done recently is in the evenings
[03:56] <mdke> hmm
[03:56] <mdke> i think the best solution is to install the docs in the distro in a similar structure to how they appear in the repository
[03:57] <jsgotangco> so you're in the office?
[03:57] <mdke> right now, yeah
[03:57] <jsgotangco> ahhh
[04:10] <mdke> dholbach, btw is it difficult to use 5 in debian/compat? apparently it would allow us to use comments and white lines in debian/install, which would be very cool in terms of clarifying what is going on in that file
[04:21] <mdke> gah, yelp has broken now in my dapper
[04:21] <mdke> The document /usr/share/gnome/help/gnome-doc-make/C/gnome-doc-make.xml could not be processed. The file /usr/share/yelp/xslt/db2html.xsl is either missing, or it is not a valid XSLT stylesheet.
[04:25] <mdke> dholbach, ok a new package is up which fixes the xml errors, but not the html ones (no idea what the cause of those is)
[04:39] <mdke> hey mpt 
[04:44] <Seveas> hi there
[04:44] <mdke> hiya
[04:44] <Seveas> who was working on the install guide?
[04:44] <mdke> Seveas, wiki.u.c/DocteamProjects
[04:44] <mdke> but it has seen no action for ages
[04:48] <Seveas> ah well, I added the author to the CC list of a bug :)
[04:49] <mdke> Seveas, ah, our install guide isn't published...
[04:49] <mdke> it's probably something for Kamion...
[04:50] <jsgotangco> perhaps you mean the install guide in the distro>
[04:50] <jsgotangco> yes
[04:52] <dholbach> mdke: compat 5 is ok with me, if that makes life easier, i'll have a look at the new one later
[04:52] <mdke> dholbach, if it is easy to implement, that would rock
[04:53] <mdke> my yelp has broken now, even though I still haven't  upgraded firefox
[06:40] <mdke> jjesse, done
[06:40] <jjesse> mdke: thanks, i'll finish the validation problems and then test it
[06:47] <mdke> jjesse, cool :)
[06:54] <ned> hello :-)
[06:55] <mdke> hi ned
[06:55] <ned> I've just signed up to the mail list but have had no response back... any idea how long it takes?
[06:56] <mdke> ned, not sure... the mailing lists are a bit slow recently
[06:56] <mdke> ned, maybe wait for a bit and then try again
[06:56] <ned> ahh i see - I have made some corrections to a doc - should I just wait until I get a response?
[06:57] <mdke> ooh cool
[06:57] <ned> :-)
[06:57] <mdke> ned, you mailed the list and no one has answered? what is your name and when did you mail?
[06:58] <ned> nedsent about half an hour ago - you mean my email address?
[06:58] <mdke> oh
[06:58] <mdke> i didn't get your mail, i suppose it just hasn't arrived yet
[06:58] <mdke> last night my emails were lagged by about 3 hours...
[06:59] <ned> hmmm let me check (its all a bit new at the mo) :-)
[06:59] <mdke> ned, you had no problems signing up?
[06:59] <ned> I have an account for the wiki
[06:59] <mdke> you need to subscribe to the mailing list to send emails...
[07:00] <mdke> http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc
[07:00] <ned> yah thats what i tried - I filled in the details but nothing back yet
[07:00] <mdke> ah
[07:00] <mdke> it's probably just very slow
[07:01] <mdke> sorry!
[07:01] <ned> my email is working though
[07:01] <mdke> which doc out of interest?
[07:01] <ned> http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch01.html
[07:02] <ned> it was a preview
[07:07] <mdke> ned, yeah that server hosts the html generated from our current repository
[07:08] <mdke> cool, well we'll look forward to your mail arriving!
[07:08] <ned> I have just re-subscribed just in case :-)
[07:08] <ned> thanks!
[07:09] <mdke> ah i just got some mail from 20 minutes ago
[07:09] <mdke> so it shouldn't be too bad
[07:09] <ned> k
[07:13] <mdke> WOOHO go jeff
[07:15] <jjesse> that sure helps you out 
[07:15] <mdke> you bet
[07:35] <ned> mdke I have received 2 confirmations :-) I should be able to post a bit later on I guess - thanks for the help
[07:46] <Burgwork> mdke, nice work with all the build stuff
[07:48] <Burgwork> mdke, but the packaging guide has that draft image which appears to come from the wiki, because you get the cert warning dialog when you first load that page
[08:15] <Burgwork> should I tempt fate and restore RideTheWildElmo one more time
[08:26] <mdke> Burgwork, thanks will take a look
[08:41] <Burgwork> mdke, np
[09:00] <sistpoty> mdke: I did quite a crude hack to the makefile and it *is* as fast as on the shell now... should I send you a diff?
[09:00] <mdke> sistpoty, one of the guys on the mailing list found the problem
[09:00] <mdke> sistpoty, just this evening it got fixed
[09:00] <sistpoty> ah :)
[09:01] <mdke> sistpoty, i really appreciate your effort though!
[09:01] <dholbach> hey sistpoty :)
[09:01] <sistpoty> np mdke... I'll take a look at the list, as I still don't know the real reason for the problem *g*
[09:02] <mdke> sistpoty, not sure I do either :)
[09:02] <sistpoty> hehe
[09:19] <mdke> Burgwork, hang on, you mean the packaging guide on the website?
[09:19] <Burgwork> mdke, on doc.ubuntu.com
[09:19] <mdke> ah
[09:19] <mdke> got confused
[09:21] <mdke> i can't remember how we built the packaging guide for the website
[09:21] <Burgwork> ah
[09:21] <mdke> ah i see it
[09:21] <Burgwork> we need to standardize on simply css text for the "draft thing"
[09:21] <Burgwork> the image is too busy and makes reading it hard
[09:22] <mdke> ok
[09:22] <mdke> the other ones are ok?
[09:22] <Burgwork> yes, afaict
[09:22] <mdke> ok easy then
[09:30] <mdke> Burgwork, ok done
[09:32] <Burgwork> mdke, cheers
[09:34] <mdke> dholbach, by the way, if you want to upload, i think it is ready
[09:34] <dholbach> i will look later
[09:35] <dholbach> currently in TB meeting
[09:35] <mdke> thanks
[09:35] <mdke> oh yeah
[09:35] <mdke> Burgwork, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/
[09:36] <Burgwork> excellent