=== kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:14] LaserJock, got it, thanks [12:15] mdke: ok cool [12:15] i'm having a strange issue [12:15] the "make server" target in the ubuntu folder isn't working [12:15] the command just seems to stop [12:15] but the command when run on its own, works fine === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp217-99.lns1.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:20] oh no, it is just taking a long time [12:20] phew [12:20] mdke: really, that must be a long time. I thought the same thing [12:21] weird [12:21] any idea why it is so slow? [12:21] it is superfast if you just run the command? [12:21] s/?// [12:22] i ran the build on our server and it got home ok, but on my laptop it just seems to stop for ages [12:28] hmm, it does seem to start faster when I do it from the command line [12:29] it's weird because I haven't actually changed anything that should make that happen [12:31] I just timed it on my comp: ~ 3.5 s from command line, ~ 60 s from make server [12:31] for it to get started [12:32] weird [12:36] I just asked about it in #ubuntu-motu too [12:36] good thinking [12:40] LaserJock, oh well, I've got a package built, now to do a couple of quick tests [12:40] if you've got a working yelp in dapper: http://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/ [12:44] ah crap === mdke looks around for the packaging guide === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp137-147.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke goes back to fix more bugs [12:45] jeez i suck === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:50] hi folks [12:50] hi there [12:50] thanks for coming [12:50] here is the problem [12:51] go to trunk/ubuntu/Makefile and see right at the bottom there is a "make server" target [12:51] and it takes quite long... LaserJock already told me on #ubuntu-motu [12:51] mdke: btw, the link to the html for the server guide is wrong [12:51] ah yeah [12:51] LaserJock, yeah, fixed :) [12:52] LaserJock, what is your email, and the other author of the packagingguide too? [12:52] sistpoty, the command is real fast in the command line, but takes ages from the make target :( [12:52] mdke: its in the .xml file [12:52] ok [12:52] mdke: mine is mantha AT chem.unr.edu [12:52] mdke: I'm already taking a look ;) [12:52] sistpoty, awesome thanks [12:53] mdke: np... thank me only if i can fix it ;) [12:53] mdke: I can't rember Ankur's [12:53] got it [12:56] LaserJock, new debs up [12:57] s/debs/deb [12:57] mdke: k [12:57] same version number? [12:57] sure [12:57] i only fixed a couple of tiny things [12:57] didn't even put them in the changelog [12:57] mdke: just wanted to make sure they were there [12:58] :) [12:58] yeah [12:58] i need to read your packaging guide... :) [12:59] mdke: Honestly, I haven't changed any content from what Unfrgiven did. I actually think it could quite a bit of work still. [12:59] cool [12:59] most of the docs do :) [12:59] mdke, LaserJock: it's taking exactly the same time on shell as by makefile (~16 secs on my system) [01:00] sistpoty, interesting [01:00] hmm, that's strange [01:00] what shell did you use? [01:00] /bin/bash [01:01] would it make that much difference? [01:01] me too [01:01] no, it wouldn't... i also used /bin/bash to test [01:01] did you also do "rm -f ${SERVERBASE}C/*.html" at first? [01:02] no... [01:02] yes, at least once. maybe not all the times though [01:03] I'm not quite sure what xsltproc does and if it (re)uses any already present files, so maybe that might be the cause [01:03] no i've tried it on a clean build dir :( === mdke tries again, same thing [01:03] but maybe doing it on the shell is artifically fast? [01:04] dunno, it wasn't this slow an hour ago, i've broken it! [01:04] 16 seconds is outrageously fast compared to me [01:05] oh well, at least it builds [01:05] I did this within a shell script... I'll retry on the "real" shell [01:05] I did "time make server" and I got 3m17s [01:05] lol === warren_ [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:07] hm... still no real difference [01:07] you're lucky [01:08] weird [01:08] seems like it... is your system running dapper or breezy (still breezy here) [01:08] breezy [01:09] really strange [01:09] have you tried a clean checkout? [01:10] no [01:10] i'll do that now [01:10] ok === mdke thanks god for the immense bandwidth of the docteam server [01:15] sistpoty, seems to be still happening with a clean checkout [01:15] that's really strange, because it doesn't happen for me :( [01:16] yeah [01:16] no idea [01:17] sistpoty, well thanks for your time. I'll post to the doc mailing list, hopefully someone will see the problem! [01:18] ok... I'm just trying another make server... maybe this time it will take longer [01:18] heh [01:19] hm... it _does_ take longer [01:20] gah [01:20] just rebooting to test the package one last time [01:22] hm... it still uses same cpu-time... but total time is ~4 mins now... so it must be idle/waiting for s.th. within the makefile === mdke has no idea what [01:24] I'll investigate that a little more... but don't hesitate to ask others ;) [01:24] thanks a lot dude :) [01:24] np ;) [01:25] LaserJock, the stupid packaging guide still isn't in the yelp menu [01:25] oh i know why === mdke slaps himself === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp196-40.lns1.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:33] mdke: what happened [01:34] i forgot to put the omf file in debian/install [01:34] it's late... pity me [01:38] ok, I just took the :server section of the makefile and made a bash script out of it and I get ~1m24s [01:39] weird that things should be so slow === mdke finally sees the packaging guide appear in yelp [01:43] my life is complete [01:44] mdke: is it in the .deb? [01:44] LaserJock, it is now yeah [01:44] just the xml [01:44] i don't really like the font on the yelp frontpage, it is pretty ugle [01:45] ok, I gotta go now. 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[09:54] =) [09:54] jsgotangco, just playing around before going to bed :) [09:54] what do you think of these pages? [09:55] pretty neat, its really a chore to go through the logs [09:55] although someone has to update it everytime a log is added or will it just show the latest minutes? [09:56] exactly. I was going to announce these pages on planet in a day or two, then hopefully others will add to these logs. I miss 90% of the IRC meetings, and hate scanning the logs [09:56] it has to be done manually... [09:56] but added bonus: things will show up from meeting when searching the wiki [09:57] why not just link to the html istead of copying/paste to wiki? [09:57] you still have the find the meeting in the long daily log. Some meeting covers two log files. Some days have multiple meetings [09:58] ah right [09:59] it's an experiment. If it gets to be too much of chore, I guess it will not get updated === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === akurashy [n=David@64.237.191.226] has joined #ubuntu-doc === teroedni [n=teroedni@ti411310a080-3731.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mamoru [n=mamoru@62.84.25.1] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:35] hello! is there a russian documentation on GTK+ somewhere? === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-179-31.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@210.84.56.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@c211-28-179-31.eburwd7.vic.optusnet.com.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === manicka [n=manicka@210.84.56.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@210.84.56.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:10] mdke: when you get a chance can you edit the make file for kubuntu so i can build the switching guide? [03:10] mdke: no big hurry on it === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc [03:27] jjesse, sure. it might not build if it doesn't validate, but I'll give it a go tonight [03:28] hey [03:29] ello [03:38] dholbach, thanks for the heads up. I'll try and reproduce those errors [03:39] cool [03:39] eh? [03:39] if you run scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q (which is run once in a month), you get quite a lot of error messages from desktopguide/serverguide) [03:39] 6 hours ago :) [03:39] ahhh [03:39] scrollkeeper love [03:40] wonder if the single remaining sk error is resolved [03:40] dholbach, what sort of error messages are they? the files seem to work alright in yelp [03:40] dholbach: are you aware if we're still pursuing LSB or other standard certification? [03:41] jsgotangco: no idea [03:42] ok [03:44] /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/serverguide/C/windows-networking.xml:9: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "/usr/share/ubuntu/libs/gnome-menus-C.ent" [03:44] %gnome-menus-C; [03:44] ^ [03:44] %gnome-menus-C; [03:44] //usr/share/ubuntu-docs/desktopguide/html/C/index.html:155: parser error : Premature end of data in tag link line 5 [03:44] ^ [03:44] and millions of those :) [03:45] i can give you a log [03:45] no that's ok [03:45] the first one is pretty obvious [03:45] might be just missing files [03:46] the second one, dealing with the html, is just weird === mdke reboots into dapper [03:49] http://ubuntu.gplan.info/docs/log [03:52] i see em [03:53] we can fix those I think [03:53] cool [03:53] :_D [03:53] :-D [03:54] the problem is that the addresses to the entities in the documents are by relative path [03:54] and they are quite inconvenient... [03:55] https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/desktopguide.xml [03:55] mdke: it seems your boss isn't around that much lately :D [03:55] that is a good example [03:55] jsgotangco, i've been working relatively hard recently, just taking a break now :) [03:55] most of the work i've done recently is in the evenings [03:56] hmm [03:56] i think the best solution is to install the docs in the distro in a similar structure to how they appear in the repository [03:57] so you're in the office? [03:57] right now, yeah [03:57] ahhh === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp129-75.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:10] dholbach, btw is it difficult to use 5 in debian/compat? apparently it would allow us to use comments and white lines in debian/install, which would be very cool in terms of clarifying what is going on in that file [04:21] gah, yelp has broken now in my dapper [04:21] The document /usr/share/gnome/help/gnome-doc-make/C/gnome-doc-make.xml could not be processed. The file /usr/share/yelp/xslt/db2html.xsl is either missing, or it is not a valid XSLT stylesheet. === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:25] dholbach, ok a new package is up which fixes the xml errors, but not the html ones (no idea what the cause of those is) === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:39] hey mpt === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:44] hi there [04:44] hiya [04:44] who was working on the install guide? [04:44] Seveas, wiki.u.c/DocteamProjects [04:44] but it has seen no action for ages [04:48] ah well, I added the author to the CC list of a bug :) === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [04:49] Seveas, ah, our install guide isn't published... [04:49] it's probably something for Kamion... [04:50] perhaps you mean the install guide in the distro> [04:50] yes [04:52] mdke: compat 5 is ok with me, if that makes life easier, i'll have a look at the new one later [04:52] dholbach, if it is easy to implement, that would rock [04:53] my yelp has broken now, even though I still haven't upgraded firefox === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-1-135-249.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-227-134-152.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-227-134-152.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:40] jjesse, done [06:40] mdke: thanks, i'll finish the validation problems and then test it [06:47] jjesse, cool :) === ned [n=ned@88-107-110-114.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:54] hello :-) [06:55] hi ned [06:55] I've just signed up to the mail list but have had no response back... any idea how long it takes? [06:56] ned, not sure... the mailing lists are a bit slow recently [06:56] ned, maybe wait for a bit and then try again [06:56] ahh i see - I have made some corrections to a doc - should I just wait until I get a response? [06:57] ooh cool [06:57] :-) [06:57] ned, you mailed the list and no one has answered? what is your name and when did you mail? [06:58] nedsent about half an hour ago - you mean my email address? [06:58] oh [06:58] i didn't get your mail, i suppose it just hasn't arrived yet [06:58] last night my emails were lagged by about 3 hours... [06:59] hmmm let me check (its all a bit new at the mo) :-) [06:59] ned, you had no problems signing up? [06:59] I have an account for the wiki [06:59] you need to subscribe to the mailing list to send emails... [07:00] http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc [07:00] yah thats what i tried - I filled in the details but nothing back yet [07:00] ah [07:00] it's probably just very slow [07:01] sorry! [07:01] my email is working though [07:01] which doc out of interest? [07:01] http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/ch01.html [07:02] it was a preview [07:07] ned, yeah that server hosts the html generated from our current repository [07:08] cool, well we'll look forward to your mail arriving! [07:08] I have just re-subscribed just in case :-) [07:08] thanks! [07:09] ah i just got some mail from 20 minutes ago [07:09] so it shouldn't be too bad [07:09] k [07:13] WOOHO go jeff [07:15] that sure helps you out [07:15] you bet [07:35] mdke I have received 2 confirmations :-) I should be able to post a bit later on I guess - thanks for the help === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:46] mdke, nice work with all the build stuff [07:48] mdke, but the packaging guide has that draft image which appears to come from the wiki, because you get the cert warning dialog when you first load that page === wftl [n=mgagne@salmar.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=manicka@210.84.56.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:15] should I tempt fate and restore RideTheWildElmo one more time [08:26] Burgwork, thanks will take a look === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:41] mdke, np === Judax [n=troywill@adsl-67-67-221-178.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:00] mdke: I did quite a crude hack to the makefile and it *is* as fast as on the shell now... should I send you a diff? [09:00] sistpoty, one of the guys on the mailing list found the problem [09:00] sistpoty, just this evening it got fixed [09:00] ah :) [09:01] sistpoty, i really appreciate your effort though! [09:01] hey sistpoty :) [09:01] np mdke... I'll take a look at the list, as I still don't know the real reason for the problem *g* [09:02] sistpoty, not sure I do either :) [09:02] hehe === manicka [n=grant@210.84.56.193] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@210.84.56.193] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [09:19] Burgwork, hang on, you mean the packaging guide on the website? [09:19] mdke, on doc.ubuntu.com [09:19] ah [09:19] got confused [09:21] i can't remember how we built the packaging guide for the website [09:21] ah [09:21] ah i see it [09:21] we need to standardize on simply css text for the "draft thing" [09:21] the image is too busy and makes reading it hard [09:22] ok [09:22] the other ones are ok? [09:22] yes, afaict [09:22] ok easy then [09:30] Burgwork, ok done [09:32] mdke, cheers [09:34] dholbach, by the way, if you want to upload, i think it is ready [09:34] i will look later [09:35] currently in TB meeting [09:35] thanks [09:35] oh yeah [09:35] Burgwork, http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ [09:36] excellent === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@201-27-71-186.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-38-37.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc