[12:03] they probably already have grep-dctrl installed ;) [12:04] lucas: yes, for you it would be great and I would probably do that. I don't really know much of anything about bash scripting so I need to learn before I start doing that [12:04] gahr [12:04] python is much nicer than bash [12:04] ok [12:05] lucas: it's a good idea though. I did think about that somewhere along the line. [12:11] going to bed [12:11] gnight [12:11] cya === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] hi folks [12:14] hi sistpoty [12:16] <\sh> lifeless: python is different from bash... [12:18] <\sh> useradd -u 1000 -g users -d /home/shermann -s /bin/python [12:18] <\sh> -m shermann ,) [12:19] I've promised myself never again to follow examples set by crazy germans [12:20] <\sh> lol [12:20] ;) [12:20] <\sh> eruin: don't tell me now, that u c'n'ped it [12:20] the \sh part would have been nice to add [12:21] I should get myself a third computer where I could test all evil commands people paste across the net [12:21] starting with rm -rf / === _maydayjay_ [n=maydayja@ip101109.101.nas.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:23] now for the more immediate necessity, testing gfxboot [12:23] this noname laptop seems to take anything I can throw at it (including coffee and beer) [12:23] <\sh> eruin: uh..nice laptop then :) [12:25] <\sh> anyway time to sleep... [12:25] <\sh> cu later today === ajmitch__ [n=ajmitch@203.89.167.142] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:27] gn8 \sh_away [12:27] \sh_away: nice troll [12:27] but in fact python makes a nicer shell too ;) === ajmitch__ missed all the fun :( [12:28] 10:16 < \sh> lifeless: python is different from bash... [12:28] 10:18 < \sh> useradd -u 1000 -g users -d /home/shermann -s /bin/python [12:28] 10:18 < \sh> -m shermann ,) [12:28] was the core [12:28] hehe [12:29] ruby ./script/console would be a nice "shell" if it would save history between sessions [12:33] is there any reason why a command excecuted from a makefile should take a lot longer than when done from the command line? === Gazer [n=gazer@adsl-teco-200-59-104-35.capfed2.uolsinectis.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:37] LaserJock: each command in a makefile is executed in a separate shell, but that should be the only difference [12:38] sistpoty: I timed using make and it was ~ 60s but when excecuted in a shell it was ~ 3s [12:39] LaserJock: that's strange... is it a complicated makefile? (rules need to be evaluated at first) [12:39] it's like it is taking forever to start. not that it is slower overall [12:39] sistpoty: you don't have a checkout of the docteam repo handy do you? [12:39] LaserJock: or perhaps a difference in the shell... afaik make uses /bin/sh as shell [12:39] LaserJock: no, i don't... sorry [12:40] LaserJock: where's the repo located? [12:40] svn checkout https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk ubuntu-doc === sistpoty checks out [12:41] or it might be faster to just go to https://docteam.ubuntu.com/repos/trunk/ubuntu/Makefile [12:41] if you want to look at it [12:42] LaserJock: i'm already doing a checkout... I'll just wait until it's there ;) [12:43] sistpoty: sorry, I kinda forgot how big it is [12:43] LaserJock: how big is it? 10-100Mb or even bigger? === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-24-233.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:44] LaserJock: ok, checkout done :) [12:44] its 170MB on my comp [12:44] same here [12:45] which makefile should i look at? [12:45] ubunt-doc/ubuntu/makefile [12:45] the problem is when I do make server === sistpoty makes server === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-167-191.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] hey Arrogance === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A630BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:56] hi aj === hub [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === warren_ [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kjcole got bored pestering bzr and launchpad folks. ;-) and now has questions for MOTU's === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:17] were you planning on asking it? [01:18] Actually, no questions, yet, as I'm in the process of RTFW (reading the fine wiki's)... But I think I have something to submit. (Will read more before pestering.) [01:18] ok :) === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:22] OK, I've read everything (in 30 seconds) and am now an expert. ;-) My first question: Regarding "reviewing this package for known security vulnerabilities and providing patches for all of them" (as the candidates page states): [01:24] If I'm merely taking a package from Debian, and beating it up til it works in Ubuntu, has it already been "cleared" by Debian folks? Cuz I sure don't know how to clear it. [01:24] taking a package from debian is not really submitting anything new [01:25] which package, btw? [01:25] if it has been accepted into Debian, that's not usually a problem, but then the question begs to be asked why it's not already in Ubuntu. There are few of those. [01:25] ajmitch: BOINC. The package had all sorts of dependencies that appeared to be met other ways in Ubuntu, so I grabbed the source, and tweaked the dependencies til Ubuntu was happy with it. [01:27] (Strangely enough, I see boinc monitoring packages in Ubuntu -- maybe in universe -- but no boinc itself.) [01:28] kjcole: I can't find boinc in unstable [01:29] sistpoty: http://wiki.debian.org/BOINC [01:30] kjcole: ah... so it's no official package (probably because something in it is non-free) [01:30] kjcole: maybe you could check what non-free parts it contains and whether it's safe for ubuntu to distribute this [01:31] sistpoty: Ah. I guess I didn't look deep enough then. So is there a MOTM team/channel/whatever? ;-) [01:31] kjcole: MOTM? [01:32] Masters of the Multiverse. ;-) [01:32] we have that task [01:32] he... no, this is done here as well ;) [01:33] FYI in case some don't know: BOINC is seti@home-NG (as well as other @home efforts) out of UC Berkeley. [01:34] kjcole: but it still might be worth to investigate why this is non-free... [01:35] kjcole: and once you have a package, you can upload this to revu... and maybe add comments that it should go to multiverse [01:35] (Or more specifically BOINC = Berkeley Open Infrastructure for Network Computing) [01:35] sistpoty: OK, will try to do that. [01:37] I know early on, the SETI people were concerned about releasing source, as they didn't want faked or erroneous data being reported back to them, and felt that some level of control over the source guaranteed good data coming back from client machines... That may still be the case. [01:38] kjcole: but i guess boinc comes with sources? [01:40] sistpoty: It appeared to, since blindly following the directions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage worked after I changed dependencies a bit. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:40] sistpoty: (I'm an RPM guy, and so a lot of the deb stuff is new to me.) [01:41] hello ogra! [01:41] Hi ogra. Elkner's right: You don't sleep. [01:41] kjcole: actually i meant that boinc is distributed not as a binary, but rather as sources [01:41] kjcole, that just looks like ;) [01:41] hi magnon [01:42] ogra & sleep are incompatible ;) [01:42] sistpoty: I'd have to go back and pay attention, but it was compiling something when I did that. So, yeah, I think I've got sources for it all. [01:43] kjcole: that's good :) [01:45] grr. hope I get my laptop back soon === PlanarPlatypus [n=alucard@cpc3-cove3-5-1-cust39.brhm.cable.ntl.com] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === uniq_ [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] Although I cannot find a specific license document, BOINC claims to be open source: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/source_code.php and the bottom of the web pages say they're released under the GNU FDL [01:54] Found it: It's released under the GNU Lesser GPL: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/legal.html [01:56] kjcole: just read it... imo it should be fine to go into universe even [01:57] but /me is no legal expert ;) [01:58] sistpoty: Which brings me back to my original question: I have no idea how secure or insecure it may be... (I'm assuming it's fairly secure, but they say that "assume" makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me"...) [01:58] kjcole: does it allow incoming connections? [01:59] its in fact the new setiathome client === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:59] ogra: so maybe you have some better clue then ;) [01:59] you can get it at setiathome too afaik [02:00] its ages ago that i participated in seti :) [02:00] (when i had to care for machines where it was worth to donate the idle power ;) ) [02:00] ogra: Yeah, I was just telling folks here, I got it from http://wiki.debian.org/BOINC and tweaked the dependencies til Ubuntu stopped complaining. [02:01] ogra: I was at the original announcement of the alpha version of seti@home: I'm registered user #45 (IIRC)/ [02:01] its OSS and freely licensed afaik ... [02:01] so you should be able to just package it for universe ... [02:01] now we contribute our idle cycles to pbuilder ;) [02:01] hehe [02:02] sistpoty: I think it just requests packets of data, processes them and sends them out again, and sends another request. So, I don't think it allows incoming connections. === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:03] kjcole: i guess it's pretty safe then. at least the user needs to start the client manually [02:03] (i guess) [02:04] see kboincspy :) === ogra sees there is a gnome app missing apparently :) [02:04] ogra: I'm very new to deb's (I'm an rpm guy.) I just followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage [02:05] ogra: It's running on my breezy system, yea even as we chat. [02:05] heh, thats wikipage is *very* boiled down [02:05] ogra: That's where I started too. I was surprised to see the k-boinc-monitoring stuff but no boinc to go with it. [02:06] i wonder why its not in debian ... its already pretty old ... [02:06] ogra: I like boiled down, pre-chewed, pre-digested instructions. They go through my system easier. [02:07] its good for first steps indeed ... but making real packages involves a lot more [02:07] but good to get the foot into the door === bipolar [n=bipolar@66.216.151.243.dynamic.dejazzd.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:07] ogra: But, is there a better set of instructions that aren't too steep for a beginner? Or is there someone I can hand off what I've done so far to? [02:08] ajmitch, are the docs from unfrgiven uploaded finally ? [02:08] ogra: laserjock was going to repackage a changed version [02:08] which will live in the doc team repository [02:08] yes, we had a guy who wrote a developer intro that was submitted to breezy to late to enter the archive [02:09] kjcole, so you probably should poke laserjock and improve the docs as you use them ... [02:09] (I'm trying to learn my first RCS -- bzr, and Docbook. So, the more straightforward packaging instructions are, the better. I *DO* sleep.) [02:09] i never read them myself but heard they are very good [02:10] Ah. === uniq [n=frode@213.184.199.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:27] hey bmonty === ajmitch chuckles at \sh_away's mail to ubuntu-devel [02:29] well put even if tongue-in-cheek === magnon reads === magnon chuckles as well === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@cpe-69-205-47-165.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] hey ajmitch === desplesda [n=desplesd@58.164.219.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487FA98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is off to bed [03:24] gn8 everyone === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-159-133.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:25] hi === Jimb0b [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-173-146-239.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tvelocity [n=tony@ipa241.7.tellas.gr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ppp-69-239-159-133.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch [i=ajmitch@203.89.178.198] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch hates his dsl setup [04:46] ajmitch: what's wrong? 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[07:28] no, is it Tuesday there? It's still Monday here ;-) [07:28] haha :) [07:28] hi [07:28] i'm in germany, so it's 07:28 and already tuesday [07:29] and 7:28 here [07:29] but pm [07:29] ajmitch: what day? [07:30] tuesday of course [07:30] wow, that's crazy [07:30] sudo apt-get install gworldclock [07:30] ;) [07:30] LaserJock: you're just behind :) [07:31] dang it, and I thought I was just behind because I was slow [07:32] heh [07:32] dholbach: mdke added the packaging guide to the .deb for ubuntu-docs [07:33] yeah, he told me [07:33] that's brilliant (if we can keep it up to date with the doc team) [07:34] I really would like to figure out what is needed and really make something good out of it [07:34] sounds like jdub is having yet more touring fun [07:35] Right now I kinda feel like it is just a bit from the New Maintainer Guide and some pbuilder wiki thrown together === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-96-186.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:39] I was wondering if it would be useful to use a real life example for the packaging guide. Maybe a package that is relatively simple and stable [07:41] yeah, sure [07:42] i had a brief look at the packaging guide and thought there were quite some improvements possible [07:42] where it could be easier [07:42] and more straight forward [07:43] I would like to see a real quick overview (kinda like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CreatePackageFromSourcePackage) and then move into the details with a example package [07:44] but the example package would really have to work. I would hate to have people to start reporting bugs on a faulty example [07:47] I would also like to see a "best practices" section about things like cdbs, build-deps, versioning, patching, merging (maybe), REVU [07:48] Seems like there is really a lot that could be included, but in a sequential and gentle way [07:48] we started PackagingTips and ReviewingTips [07:48] but that's only a small start [07:50] yeah, I would like to maybe have those as our "work in progress" pages and the Packaging Guide have the stuff that seem stable and mostly agreed upon [07:50] because I realize that there are many different ways to approach packaging [07:51] absolutely [07:51] that sounds good [07:55] I would also like to include a troubleshooting section that would have some of the most common mistakes. I'm not sure if that is practical but it might help to increase the quality of the packages going into REVU and also reduce the number of reviews by MOTUs that need to be done before a package is done [07:55] sounds good [07:55] LaserJock: you must have given this long thinking :) [07:57] dholbach: some anyway. I really seem to like this documenting for MOTU stuff. I haven't don a lot yet but I'm trying to wrap my brain around what really needs to be done [07:58] wikis sometimes give a "thrown together" appearance that can make it confusing for somebody not used to it. [07:58] but they are great for getting the ideas down [07:59] yeah [08:00] anyway, I hope once I am a member and get doc-team commit access that I will be able to get a lot more done [08:01] that should also help you becoming a motu and get some stuff done as well ;) [08:01] i'm very happy you're working on this [08:02] well, I'm happy that I can contribute and give something back to the community [08:03] I've been a Linux "user" far too long [08:03] too long? :) [08:03] come on... it's good you're here :) [08:04] well, I guess it's only been 4 years or so. I used Gentoo for a long time. But I never found a community I wanted to contribute to before Ubuntu [08:05] hmmm this is weird [08:05] i added a new user [08:05] but PS1 is stuffed [08:05] doesnt get read :/ [08:07] ok, I gotta get to bed before its Tuesday. It's been great talking to you dholbach. You got me fired up about the packaging guide. Now I just need to do it ;-) [08:07] cool :) === dholbach hugs LaserJock [08:07] good night :) === LaserJock hugs dholbach back === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-159-133.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Fuddl [n=fuddl@2001:6f8:9cf:0:20f:eaff:fe4d:d7b7] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:21] GOod Morning === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === trulux [n=lorenzo@unaffiliated/trulux] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Burgundavia [n=corey@S0106000000cc07fc.gv.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:37] yay for filterdiff [08:37] very useful for splitting out inline patches === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:38] hello [08:38] hi [08:38] morning \sh === ajmitch_ prepares another monster debian upload [08:39] hi \sh [08:39] 20MB source + 20MB of debs [08:39] a recipe for great pain [08:39] hm, is gccmakedep deprecated? I couldn't find it anywhere in dapper's xutils [08:43] \sh: good mail to ubuntu-devel :) === phlaegel_ [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tseng [n=tseng@li2-186.members.linode.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hunger_ [n=hunger@p54A60A06.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lucas [n=lucas@alabama.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:05] <\sh> ajmitch_: it was my last to this thread...I think I said everything, and seeing that others agree with me...this is good === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:06] \sh: just read, nice one indeed :) [09:07] ooh, so one has to set DEPEND="gcc -M" to get mas building... [09:07] <\sh> ajmitch_: I mean the attitude of this mike guy is really annoying... === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:08] \sh: I think it's hilarious that he thinks a 15k patch is big. [09:09] hihi [09:10] <\sh> A desktop like GNOME needs to be [09:10] <\sh> integrated with the kernel [09:10] <\sh> what? [09:10] <\sh> I thought i'm clueless [09:10] grrrr [09:10] <\sh> but actually...I have to ask benc if he's planning a kernel with gnome integrated... === dholbach takes away \sh 's crack pipe [09:13] <\sh> dholbach: it wasn't my idea...mike wrote it...that gnome has to be integrated with the kernel === dholbach collects a big bunch of crack pipes today :) [09:13] \sh: mike? [09:13] <\sh> mike hearn [09:13] dholbach: yeah, stop using those ;) [09:14] Treenaks: ok :) [09:14] you made me see sense === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:27] \sh: you don't think that gnome integrated into the kernel is good? [09:27] think of the speed increase! :) [09:27] <\sh> ajmitch_: well if this ever happens, we have to fork the kernel to kkernel [09:28] Gnubuntu, with the hurd ;) === Gervystar [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:33] lol [09:34] kdm upgrade -> brb ;) [09:36] hm, I wonder what other syncs I need to request === ajmitch_ will work it out tomorrow === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:01] ajmitch_: Woot, ubuntu5 works great. [10:01] StevenK: ubuntu1 should have worked great :) === StevenK grins. [10:02] ajmitch_: You going to be around? If pingus builds, I'll get you to request a sync. [10:03] I'm around === ajmitch_ has dinner cooking, so has to stay awake for at least a bit longer ;) [10:03] Ditto. [10:04] My wife has just thrown mince for tacos into the wok. [10:04] nice [10:04] Are you IRC'ing from the kitchen? :-) [10:04] nah [10:04] food is in the oven, it won't burn for at least a bit longer :) === ajmitch_ needs to get a new laptop to use IRC from the kitchen again [10:05] Heh [10:05] My wife would kill me if she saw me IRC'ing from the kitchen. === sivang mmmms at the thought of tacos... [10:06] hey ajmitch_ long time no see === StevenK wonders if pingus uses GL. [10:10] Evidently not, since the last buildd log says the same thing about disabling clanGL. === tseng_ [n=tseng@li2-186.members.linode.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:11] Oh, so unfair. [10:12] pingus compiles, and fails the final link. === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:18] hey jsgotangco [10:19] what's up? [10:19] enjoying life in .au now? === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:30] yay, someone !\sh who's taken over planet ubuntu === ompaul [n=ompaul@213-202-139-134.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:33] haha === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:37] <\sh> hehe === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:47] hey koke [10:47] hi :) [10:47] what's up? === maradong [n=bhentges@213.47.179.227] has joined #ubuntu-motu [10:48] ajmitch_: Right, pingus fails in the final link, with lots of undefined references to ogg and vorbis symbols. === sivang wonders if anybody has taken on hdapplet [10:49] StevenK: sounds a bit suspect [10:50] DB work waiting for me [10:50] koke: sounds like great fun :) [10:51] ajmitch_: yeah, migrating 6 different MySQL DBs to a postgresql one and keep them synced [10:51] lots of fun :) [10:51] eeevil [10:51] ajmitch_: Yes, but undefined references and symbols while linked was never my strong point. [10:52] I suspect I'll need to give it a build & look at the log === ajmitch_ is waiting for the inkscape build to finish [10:53] I can mail you the command and output [10:53] dholbach: when do you think is a good time to have another MOTU meeting? [10:54] I don't recall us deciding on a time at the UBZ meetup [10:54] oh good, inkscape build just finished === StevenK builds iterm again. === ajmitch_ needs a new hardware-applet build, hopefully someone has merged/built it === jtan325 [n=jtan325@c-67-183-143-91.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thesaltydog [n=Fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-motu === desplesda [n=desplesd@58.164.219.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:04] ajmitch_: You'll build pingus if you can stay awake? [11:04] sure === StevenK buggers off for more MASH === ajmitch_ starts a couple of builds === herzi_x41 [n=herzi@c180224.adsl.hansenet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === godzero [n=godzero@c-24-118-30-116.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-88-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:29] does any1 multiboot with windows [11:29] i do [11:29] and can email me your menu.list plz [11:30] i need to see something in it [11:30] ah [11:30] will you plz ? [11:30] title Windows XP [11:30] root (hd0,2) [11:30] chainloader +1 [11:30] is what I have [11:31] http://pastebin.com/442053 [11:31] yes [11:31] but i need full menu.list Mithrandir === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:32] dont want the windows stuff to disapear on grub-update [11:32] i just pasted it [11:32] viviersf, [11:32] thx jabra_ [11:32] * jtan325 [11:32] just talking to Mithrandir [11:32] viviersf: add it after ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST [11:32] or before === godzero tries to setup pbuild chroot... wonders if breezy was a good idea. Should I have set it up for dapper... can I set up 2 chroots? [11:33] godzero: yes & yes [11:34] choked on cdrom again [11:34] can I comment out cdrom? [11:35] godzero: yes [11:35] k, I'll give that a go [11:35] cdrom is only needed is you install / update from a cd-rom archive [11:36] thx Mithrandir [11:36] just saw [11:41] <\sh> question...what should I do now, when I change the Makefile.am and have to dance the autotools dance. Put the changes directly into diff.gz or doing the dance inside the debian/rules configure target? [11:41] <\sh> (means during buildtime) [11:43] ...ahhh...much better. Sucess? Looks like a good base.tgz [11:46] great.. I got the bc built test to work [11:49] StevenK: do you have a debdiff for iterm from 0.5-5 ? [11:49] it might be easier to review === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:55] <\sh> lunch....bbl === Gervy [n=gervysta@62.94.208.119] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:59] ajmitch_: No, but I can make one. [11:59] would be nice so that I don't have to :) === selinium [n=selinium@80-193-16-239.cable.ubr02.sout.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:00] ajmitch_: Heh, it's still 115k [12:00] ouch [12:00] why so large? === ajmitch_ didn't think the ubuntu changes were that significant [12:00] The config.{sub,guess} files. Why they changed, I have no idea. [12:01] broken dh_make templates was often a cause [12:01] All you need is the changelog, control and rules. [12:01] they get copied in in the wrong rules target === Fuddl [n=fuddl@faui02k.informatik.uni-erlangen.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:02] new autotools-dev package === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-88-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:03] ajmitch_: Tell me what to fix, and I'll fix it. [12:05] clean: target copies in the config.sub & config.guess === bigcx2 [n=bigcx2@157.182.43.76] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] Right. Kill that bit and rebuild? [12:05] iirc that can be done elsewhere, but I can't recall just what the magic is [12:05] \sh knows :) [12:05] you can try that [12:09] Ah hah. Do it in build [12:10] ajmitch_: Any news in terms of pingus? [12:10] it broke [12:10] I knew that. :-) [12:10] I'm guessing libclan*-vorbis isn't pulling in the libs properly [12:10] Right. [12:10] hm [12:10] \sh: re: using autotools at buildtime [12:10] I see why [12:10] ubuntu6 time? [12:11] StevenK: I deserve another swift kick in the head [12:11] \sh: this is a quite controvers discuessed issue. You get answers depending on whom you ask [12:11] libclan2c2-vorbis.install [12:11] problems there :) [12:11] Ahhh. :-) [12:12] \sh: IMO: if the package uses dpatch (or similar), then do that in a dpatch. if no patchsystem is included, then do that at buildtime, to keep the debdiff to the debian package small [12:12] \sh: but thats my opinion. it really depends on the package, too [12:12] StevenK: I'll really get it right one of these days === StevenK grins. === Gervy is now known as Gervystar [12:14] \sh: do you know why that one wasn't renamed, and all the other clanlib packages were? [12:21] Muahaha, 3k debdiff [12:22] much better [12:22] ajmitch_: Shall I throw the new debdiff onto launchpad? [12:22] please do [12:22] I'll review against 0.5-5 source & upload [12:22] Excellent. [12:22] I just don't think I'm whitelisted still. :-P [12:23] you know who to harass :) [12:24] I've already harassed him once. elmo has more important things to do/worry about [12:24] yep [12:24] whitelisting is very minor really [12:25] you just need to get approval from the CC to get an ubuntu.com address === StevenK nods. [12:25] ajmitch_: Done. [12:25] you've signed the code of conduct? [12:25] I did that like a week and a half ago [12:25] ok [12:26] ubuntu.com addresses don't work unless you signed [12:26] What I meant was I've uploaded the new debdiff to launchpad. [12:26] (The -s is for *small* :-) [12:26] yep :) [12:27] [22:22] < liw> it's one thing if your upstream is irritating and clueless, and it's worse if he spends his time in his underwear in your home === StevenK cackles. [12:28] haha === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:30] StevenK: trying to build now.. [12:31] clanlib or iterm? [12:31] clanlib already built [12:31] Ahh. [12:31] building iterm in pbuilder === StevenK nods. [12:32] it drags in a few build depends [12:32] Yup. I have to hold myself back from fixing the plethora of warnings spat out. [12:32] And they're all silly. [12:32] they usually are === StevenK usually compiles with -pedantic [12:33] oh I see what you mean about warnings === StevenK nods. [12:33] my eyes glazed over seeing all those [12:33] Heh [12:35] iterm uploaded [12:35] Woo, thanks [12:36] clanlib has been too? [12:36] yeah, I think I'll try a pingus rebuild in the morning once the archive has a (finally) fixed clanlib :) [12:36] yes [12:36] Yeah. [12:36] I suspect it has a hope of working now. :-) [12:36] it had better [12:36] Or what, you'll kick its ass? === StevenK smirks. [12:37] no, my ass will get kicked :) === StevenK grins. [12:37] I wonder if f-spot cvs is usable enough to throw into dapper :) [12:38] ajmitch: I found about 12.5k pornpics on my server. let's see how f-spot manage... ;-) [12:38] what a surprise [12:39] hehe [12:39] yawn.. [12:39] morning tseng_ [12:39] hi === badders [n=tom@host81-137-177-113.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] i need a new laptop battery [12:40] hi everybody [12:40] this one is lucky to last an hour now [12:40] tseng_: you made me IRL-yawn! :-P [12:40] I need a new laptop [12:40] hi btw :-) [12:40] hello slomo_ [12:40] hi Nafallo [12:40] morning Mithrandir :-) === Nafallo tells f-spot to import 11978 pictures and watches the memory go away * [12:44] yeah it might take a couple of minutes [12:44] http://aigarius.blogspot.com/2005/11/do-you-want-to-hear-most-incredible.html [12:44] Fun with debugging f-spot [12:45] ah, gphoto issues :) [12:45] thankfully that doesn't occur when importing photos on disk === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:46] hi spacey [12:47] hey [12:47]