[12:15] <Knowerrors> Anybody install KDE 3.5 yet?
[12:15] <dennis_p> yeah just did
[12:16] <Knowerrors> How is it? Worth changing to?
[12:16] <dennis_p> from 5.11: ran the 2 commands in konsole, copied deb line in Manage Repositories menu in Adept (don't forget the Apply button there) Fetch Updates button and Full Upgrade button, restart. done
[12:17] <Knowerrors> How big is the download? Im on a dialup modem...
[12:19] <dennis_p> You can check how big before hitting Full Upgade button, the other button will say
[12:21] <dennis_p> modem might be 4 kB per second I vaugly remember
[12:21] <Knowerrors> yeah, mine is 3kb/sec avg
[12:22] <dennis_p> my cable modem 400kB/s :-)
[12:24] <Knowerrors> yeah, I may wait to go to the university T1 computer lab to download it
[12:27] <dennis_p> does auto mount usb stick work with anybody?
[12:28] <l3m> dennis_p: with my ipod shuffle it does
[12:28] <Hobbsee> dennis_p: in 3.5?  yes
[12:29] <kkathman> why would 3.5 have anything to do with USB automount?
[12:29] <dennis_p> unmounted removable media - Open in new window - toggle as auto action
[12:30] <dennis_p> then something crashed
[12:30] <kkathman> 3.5 wont matter :)
[12:30] <dennis_p> sticking in a sandisk usb stick does nothing
[12:31] <dennis_p> hotplug does not give ok or failed at boot screen, does that matter here?
[12:32] <ircnew> Hello you all. I am a newbie of Ubuntu and today I have installed my first Linux distribution. I think there is something wrong though, can anyone help me?
[12:32] <dennis_p> sure
[12:32] <_StarScream> ircnew: whats the issue
[12:33] <ircnew> thank you dennis
[12:33] <sampan> dennis_p, it never shows "ok" or "failed" for me either at boot, but usb sticks do auto-mount and konq comes up open to it just fine.
[12:33] <ircnew> I have installed kubuntu but after it loads I can't see any graphical interface
[12:33] <ircnew> just a prompt 
[12:33] <dbglt> alright
[12:34] <dbglt> how do I configure amarok/gstreamer to deal with mp3s?
[12:34] <dbglt> just installed, and it says gstreamer is not configured to handle them
[12:34] <dbglt> kaffeine cannot open them either
[12:34] <ircnew> starscream, during the loading I can see some warnings about the kernel
[12:34] <ircnew> I think they are error messages
[12:34] <dennis_p> ah hotplug, wonder why it does not automount usb then. did you have to set anything other then default?
[12:35] <drolyk> hi all
[12:35] <ircnew> I don't remember exactly but it's something about segmentation (I am on win now)
[12:36] <sampan> dennis_p  i didn't have to do anything other than update -- iirc it wasn't working 100% right until i updated.  can you mount the usb drive manually?  is it listed as a device when you plug it in? (try (in console): lsusb)
[12:36] <dbglt> anyone about?
[12:36] <dbglt> :)
[12:36] <sampan> !restrictedformats
[12:36] <ubotu> it has been said that restrictedformats is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[12:37] <sampan> dbglt, mp3s aren't enabled by default -- the link that ubotu just posted gives instructions on how to enable though 
[12:37] <dbglt> oh
[12:37] <ircnew> Starscream : I am using the latest version of Kubuntu, probably 6.x
[12:37] <dbglt> bah
[12:37] <ircnew> any clue ?
[12:37] <dbglt> I'd imagine trying to play an mp3 would be one of the first things someone new would do...
[12:37] <dbglt> how horrid
[12:38] <dennis_p> sampan: Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0781:7100 SanDisk Corp.
[12:39] <dbglt> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins gstreamer0.8-plugins-multiverse gstreamer0.8-ffmpeg
[12:39] <dbglt> does not work
[12:39] <sampan> dennis_p, so it's seeing that it's there ... have you updated kubuntu (applying all the patches)?  there were some issues at release -- a simple update might fix it 
[12:39] <dbglt> ah
[12:39] <dbglt> reposotries
[12:39] <Judax> dbglt: what does it say
[12:39] <sampan> dbglt, have you enabled the repos in your /etc/apt/sources.list ?
[12:39] <dennis_p> yeah running 3.5 and all
[12:40] <dbglt> sampan: no
[12:40] <dbglt> doing so now
[12:40] <sampan> :D
[12:40] <dbglt> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[12:40] <dbglt> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[12:40] <dbglt> what does that mean?
[12:40] <dbglt> when trying to apt-get install
[12:40] <sampan> it means you need to try it with "sudo" 
[12:40] <drolyk> Hi does any one here use apt-proxy ? I`ve got a question about it :)
[12:40] <dbglt> ah
[12:40] <dennis_p> dgglt: start adept and use menu
[12:41] <Judax> dbglt: but you do need to enable all the repos
[12:41] <dennis_p> don't forget Apply
[12:41] <sampan> !repositories
[12:41] <ubotu> it has been said that repositories is How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[12:41] <dbglt> yes, trying to do that now :)
[12:41] <dbglt> is there also a non-free fonts package?
[12:41] <dbglt> or have to be done manually?
[12:41] <dennis_p> yes from microsoft ready to use
[12:41] <dbglt> because my terminal is horrible
[12:41] <dbglt> dennis_p: apt-get-able?
[12:42] <dennis_p> yes
[12:42] <dbglt> I have MS Windows installed on another partition
[12:42] <dbglt> possible to copy ttfs over?
[12:42] <dennis_p> it's on the same mp3 page
[12:42] <sampan> dbglt  yes, it's easy to install new fonts with kubuntu -- font installer works well
[12:42] <dbglt> ok
[12:42] <dbglt> kubuntu does not use synaptic, I imagine?
[12:43] <dennis_p> adept is similar
[12:43] <dennis_p> you can use synaptic if you want afeter installing it with adept :-) 
[12:44] <sampan> dennis_p  i dunno what's up with the usb not showing up then ... is it mounted to a /media/ directory in konsole/term after you plug it in?  can you mount it manually?
[12:45] <dennis_p> not seen in /media/
[12:46] <sampan> :( was it working before you upgraded to 3.5?
[12:46] <dbglt> heh, I'm most confused
[12:46] <dbglt> the GUI makes it worse
[12:46] <dennis_p> no never
[12:46] <dennis_p> adept menu manage repositories > right click some lines and select enable
[12:46] <Knowerrors> dbglt: Synaptic is far better than Adept IMO, its faster, more stable, and has more features
[12:47] <CruNcher> when will kde 3.5 be ready for dapper ?
[12:47] <dbglt> # deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse
[12:47] <dbglt> is that what I want to uncomment?
[12:47] <Knowerrors> CruNcher: its ready now
[12:47] <CruNcher> :)
[12:47] <dbglt> it has universe and multiverse in it...
[12:47] <dbglt> but not sure about the backports part
[12:47] <Knowerrors> CruNcher: go to kubuntu.org and read the link :)
[12:47] <sampan> dbglt, afaik there aren't any backports for breezy yet -- so leave that line commented out
[12:48] <dbglt> sampan: what do I uncomment to be able to get mp3s and codecs and such
[12:48] <dbglt> or do I have to add my own line?
[12:48] <dbglt> there is no "multiverse" otherwise
[12:49] <sampan> http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic  <-- can generate a full sources.list there and then just save it (after backing up original of course)
[12:49] <dbglt> oh and, should I enable deb-src too? or just the "deb" repository
[12:49] <ircnew> can someone help me please? I have an after installation problem. While loading the system warns me about "segmentation" something, repeated many times, and what's more, at the end of the loading there is no graphical interface, but only a prompt from which I can login. Has someone any clue about what might have happened?
[12:49] <Knowerrors> dbglt: for mp3 playing, the amarok-xine and kaffeine-xine were the only things that got it to work right, gstreamer never worked proper for me
[12:49] <now3d> Hi, I am seeing a dependency problem with breezy mozilla-mailnews
[12:50] <Knowerrors> dbglt: you don't need the deb-src, thats for source, so unless you plan on buildin your own installs... 
[12:50] <Hobbsee> now3d: post the error to pastebin?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> ircnew: try startx
[12:50] <now3d> hmm, what is pastebin?
[12:50] <Knowerrors> now3d: look at the top of the irc
[12:50] <dbglt> yes, but for example: if a package is only released in source form?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> !pastebin
[12:50] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[12:50] <dbglt> what will having it enabled actually do?
[12:51] <dbglt> I have to explicitly choose to get source... right?
[12:51] <ircnew> I will hobsee, thanks, otherwise I think you'll see me again here :( Thanks for now
[12:51] <Knowerrors> dbglt: just open up another repository, right
[12:51] <ircnew> what about the segmentation error?
[12:51] <Knowerrors> you don't need it, but it doesn't hurt you to have it dbglt 
[12:51] <now3d> ah, yes, thanks for the tip!  http://pastebin.com/442942
[12:52] <dbglt> might be an idea for a box to pop up and say "mp3 is disabled, so is codecs, here is a link to fonts, etc." when you have a fresh install
[12:52] <dbglt> would make things much easier :)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> now3d: sudo apt-get install mozilla-browser?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> what does that say?
[12:53] <now3d> Hobbsee: I did apt-get update, and then apt-get upgrade
[12:53] <Hobbsee> yep, good
[12:53] <now3d> i just installed kubuntu 5.1 ..
[12:53] <Knowerrors> dbglt: yeay, but thats why this is free :)
[12:53] <now3d> "mozilla-browser is already the newest version."
[12:53] <kkathman> now3d you did change your repositories right?
[12:53] <Knowerrors> and theres lots of info on mp3s in the forums
[12:53] <Hobbsee> hmmm, ok then
[12:54] <now3d> kkathman: Hi, i uncommented "universe", ones but other than that I didnt change anything..
[12:54] <now3d> hmm, actually i did.. i commented out:  #deb cdrom:[Kubuntu 5.10 _Breezy Badger_ - Release i386 (20051012)] / breezy main restricted
[12:54] <Knowerrors> dbglt: what would be nice is an ad-supported version of k/ubuntu or a pay version (cheap, like $25) with all the codecs, plugins, fonts and other nonfree niceties all included
[12:54] <kkathman> ahh ok yer good then
[12:54] <dennis_p> how legal would it be to call upon usa people to use mp3 without licence? you can enable it like europeans are allowed to do.
[12:55] <now3d> any idea what the problem could be?
[12:55] <kalenedrael> Ok, anyone have any ideas as to how I can tunnel SSH through HTTP?
[12:55] <kalenedrael> As in, encapsulate the SSH packets in HTTP...
[12:55] <kkathman> I interrupted...I appologize..Hobbsee is much more knowlegeable than I anyway :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> now3d: you dont have the newest version of mozilla-browser, for some reason
[12:55] <Hobbsee> kkathman: dont you dare think that!
[12:56] <now3d> Hobbsee: Hmm, it says it is latest..
[12:56] <now3d> maybe gb mirror is out of date..?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> the newest version doesnt seem to be in the repos at all...
[12:56] <Hobbsee> au mirror is out of date too if that's the case
[12:56] <kkathman> its TRUE!
[12:56] <Hobbsee> now3d: file a bug for it, i think
[12:56] <kkathman> thats why I just listen here when you are here :)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:57] <now3d> Hobbsee: is it 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2 ?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> that you want?
[12:57] <now3d> http://pastebin.com/442942 that is the old version..
[12:57] <now3d> oops
[12:57] <now3d> Hobbsee:  that is the old version
[12:58] <Hobbsee> ah, yeah, that's the old version
[12:58] <Surb> How do I use aliases in Bash?
[12:58] <now3d> Hobbsee: do you know an uptodate mirror..?
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Surb: alias <alias> <full command> i think - or add it to bash.rc or something...
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Surb: howto on ubuntuforums.org
[12:59] <Hobbsee> !alias
[12:59] <ubotu> Create your own shorter timesaving console commands. http://www.tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_03_05.html
[12:59] <Hobbsee> that to
[12:59] <Hobbsee> *too
[12:59] <Surb> Thanks.
[12:59] <Hobbsee> now3d: they should all be up to date - go file a bug about it.  
[12:59] <Hobbsee> !bug
[12:59] <ubotu> To file a bug, go to http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/ for packages in main or http://launchpad.ubuntu.com/malone/distros/ubuntu for Universe packages
[01:00] <now3d> Hobbsee: i would... but i dont have any account details on this pc
[01:00] <Hobbsee> you dont remember your login?
[01:00] <now3d> i dont have one..
[01:00] <now3d> and i dont have email on this pc
[01:00] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[01:00] <now3d> could you file it for me please?
[01:01] <now3d> i file loads on debian.. and mozilla guy never responds..
[01:02] <Knowerrors> Anybody who upgraded to kde 3.5... will installing the kdeadmin break anything kubuntu wise?
[01:03] <now3d> and i cant install mozilla-mailnews to get the registration email to then reply and file the bug..
[01:03] <now3d> so I guess I cannot get working email on kubuntu now..
[01:04] <now3d> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=95017
[01:04] <now3d> seems a known problem
[01:05] <now3d> gota sleep.. thanks for the help..
[01:10] <avy> hello
[01:10] <Drakeson> is artsdsink reliable yet?
[01:11] <CruNcher> hmm strange i have all dapper repos active but i can only see 3.5-rc2 ??
[01:14] <neoncode> amaroK just crashed randomly...
[01:15] <Hobbsee> neoncode: which version of amarok
[01:15] <CruNcher> 1.3.6 crashed after start on dapper for me
[01:16] <avy> how do you add AIM the server list?
[01:17] <kkathman> AIM?  Lol
[01:17] <avy> I keep getting an error
[01:18] <Hobbsee> post the error to pastebin
[01:19] <wonder> hi
[01:20] <Hobbsee> hi
[01:20] <nutshell42> hi, does clicking the "administrator mode" button in kubuntu still not work or is there some trick to clicking it correctly?
[01:20] <sampan> nutshell42, applying updates to kubuntu fixed that bug for me
[01:20] <nutshell42> I click, kubuntu gives me a pw dialog, I enter the pw, I'm back where I started
[01:20] <nutshell42> thx, I'll try that
[01:20] <jilocasin> 'ello all
[01:22] <jilocasin> question to anyone who  knows KDE, how to I resize (windows/fonts/everything) not to be 640x480 when X says it's running at 1280x1024
[01:23] <CruNcher> Where is Kde 3.5 final in the dapper repos in universe or multiverse ?
[01:24] <Hobbsee> CruNcher: i would expect it to be  in main
[01:24] <CruNcher> dapper-updates ?
[01:25] <Hobbsee> could be
[01:25] <nutshell42> jilocasin: what exactly is your problem? Is your screen 1280x1024 or is it 640x480 and you want it to be 1280x1024?
[01:25] <McScruff> Lo
[01:27] <McScruff> is there anyone here that can build and package an app for me pls?
[01:27] <jefferyb> I was wondering if anyone can help... I need to run a script everytime a user logs in onto the desktop, and I was wodering where to put the script so it could run when ever someone logs in...
[01:27] <_david> hello all
[01:28] <_david> I am looking for some samba/printer help
[01:28] <Hobbsee> McScruff: what app?
[01:28] <nutshell42> jefferyb: every time *a* user logs in or just for one specific user?
[01:28] <McScruff> the latest klibido
[01:29] <jefferyb> any user
[01:29] <jilocasin> nutshell: no, the problem is I'm running at 1280x1024, but everything, the windows, the fonts are as large as they would be if I were running at 640x480.  I have a 20" monitor and the Konversation window I am typing this in is about 14" across.... 
[01:29] <nutshell42> jefferyb: sec
[01:30] <jefferyb> nutshell42: ok
[01:30] <Hobbsee> McScruff: compile it, and use checkinstall
[01:30] <Hobbsee> !tell McScruff about checkinstall
[01:30] <nutshell42> jilocasin: fonts is in system settings->appearance->fonts
[01:30] <McScruff> lol
[01:30] <nutshell42> most other things should scale accordingly
[01:30] <McScruff> i just loged into nickserv :P
[01:30] <nutshell42> as soon as you correct the fonts problem
[01:31] <Hobbsee> !tell McScruff about checkinstall
[01:31] <McScruff> hobbsee: 1 problem, i get an error
[01:31] <McScruff> can i pm?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> McScruff: paste the error to pastebin
[01:32] <McScruff> kk
[01:32] <McScruff> brb, gotta restart kde!!!!! (damn 3.5 update
[01:32] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: know how I can include the sudo password as part of an application icon on the desktop... to launch something as sudo w/o typing password?
[01:33] <_david> when  adding a shared printer connected to a windows PC - through the add printer wizzard - should you see the printer in the workgroup and windows PC?
[01:33] <jilocasin> nutshell42: nope, I've chosen the largest 10pt font I've ever seen, but all that happened is that the text is smaller in the same sized windows
[01:33] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: um....not sure on that one
[01:34] <Hobbsee> in the kmenu, theres' a "run as different user" option, but i'm not sure if that's what you want
[01:36] <McScruff> bk
[01:36] <sampan> knowerrors  you should be able to right click the desktop icon, then go to properties --> application tab --> command field and add "kdesu " before the application name -- then when you click it, a box will appear asking for your PW and you can enter it and run the app as su
[01:37] <Hobbsee> yeah, but how to do it without needing the password...
[01:37] <sampan> oh
[01:37] <nutshell42> jilocasin: if the font is the correct size but the window is too large then resize the window
[01:37] <nutshell42> if that's not the problem make a screenshot and put it on imageshack
[01:38] <sampan> why would one want not to enter the pw when running something as su?  O_o
[01:38] <jilocasin> nutshell42: Sorry to sound pedantic, but how under KDE would I do that?
[01:38] <Knowerrors> sampan: right, its for convience
[01:39] <Knowerrors> its a single command acutally, Im not launching an application
[01:39] <Knowerrors> the command Im executing needs sudo
[01:39] <Knowerrors> its to restart my home theater application if it freezes
[01:40] <sampan> change the permissions on the command file?
[01:40] <nutshell42> jilocasin: kscreenshot, a useful program for online help (like I try atm) that the kubuntu makers in their infinite wisdom removed from kde
[01:40] <sampan> so it doesn't require su?
[01:40] <jilocasin> nutshell42: not the snapshot the imageshack part
[01:40] <sampan> make it executable by your normal user
[01:40] <nutshell42> jilocasin: I assume it's in some extra repositories, gimp does work too =)
[01:40] <nutshell42> jilocasin: go to imageshack, upload the screenshot, send me the link
[01:41] <nutshell42> http://www.imageshack.us/
[01:42] <Knowerrors> sampan: not that simple, because the command is a script which executes a couple other scripts which act on a program running as sudo
[01:42] <Knowerrors> I would do that if I new how :)
[01:42] <jilocasin> nutshell42: ksnapshot did the trick, http://img492.imageshack.us/img492/944/desktopsnapshot18tr.png
[01:42] <Knowerrors> knew
[01:44] <jefferyb> I'm trying to make link on the Desktop for each users that logs on... check to see if it's there, if not, make one for them... I have the script to do all that, I just want to know where to put it...
[01:44] <McScruff> can anyone get on sourgeforge?
[01:44] <sampan> knowerrors, ahhhh -- sounds tricky
[01:44] <nutshell42> aaargh, ksnapshot of course, it's late, it's really late =)
[01:44] <jilocasin> nushell42: as you can see, the window that opens up to configure the network setting, is so large that you have to make the window even larger to see the "Administrator Mode" button.
[01:44] <nutshell42> jefferyb: I should have send you a privmsg with the locations
[01:46] <jefferyb> nutshell42: thanks... I will look at it...
[01:46] <nutshell42> jilocasin: that's strange
[01:46] <jilocasin> nutshell42: can you see what I am trying to say?
[01:46] <nutshell42> because the rest seems to scale ok
[01:47] <jilocasin> look at the size of the icons in the settings:/Network window, and remember that this is a 20" screen.  those icons are like 2" tall.
[01:47] <nutshell42> make sure the resolution in system settings->display is correct and then try restarting kde; you could also try running that program as root with sudo
[01:47] <nutshell42> jilocasin: you can change the icon size in appearance too
[01:48] <jilocasin> nutshell42: how would I make sure that the resolution in system settings->display is correct?  
[01:48] <dennis_p> hey 3.5 konqueror has no auto type focus in url bar for new windows
[01:49] <jilocasin> nutshell42: Yes, but like the windows, the thickness of the title block stays the same, just the text inside gets smaller.
[01:49] <nutshell42> jilocasin: look at it, if it's 1280x1024 it's correct
[01:49] <jilocasin> nutshell42: thats what it says
[01:50] <nutshell42> konqueror->view->icon size. Standard is very large or something, set it to medium
[01:50] <jilocasin> nutshell42: but as I said earlier, everything is scaled as if it were 640x480, just the curves are smoother.
[01:51] <nutshell42> for the window border, right-click on the window titlebar->window behaviour and choose another style; the height of your titlebar looks about right for the fontsize
[01:51] <jilocasin> nutshell42: thanks for the help, gotta run for now, I'll return, so if you can think of anything, ... :)
[01:59] <dennis_p> debian kanotix had the same button/window/font size problems take a look at what this bash script changes http://kanotix.com/files/fix-dpi-kdm.bash
[02:05] <McScruff> Is there a way (other then a virtual machine) to get a high windows compatibility? im wondering if ther eis a way or if itsbest to duel boot
[02:09] <nutshell42> McScruff: depends, there's wine
[02:09] <nutshell42> but if you need lots of windows apps or want to play games dual boot is the way to go
[02:09] <McScruff> naa, tbh that dont run any 3rd pary apps i want
[02:09] <McScruff> *party
[02:10] <nutshell42> which apps do you want?
[02:10] <McScruff> there is an app called offline list (its a gba rom manager)
[02:10] <jefferyb> does kubuntu have a file similar to /etc/rc.local that runs peronal services, or whichever program that I want to run during booting time?
[02:11] <techniq> could someone tell me how to update a package from a .deb..  do I use dpkg -i --force something.deb?.. I don't see something like rpm -U...
[02:11] <McScruff> i was reading about "turbolinux" does this use wine or a different method
[02:11] <Hobbsee> techniq: sudo apt-get update
[02:11] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:12] <nutshell42> jefferyb: just link your script in one of the runlevels
[02:13] <techniq> I thought apt-get was just used for remote files from your sources.list file?
[02:13] <techniq> and dpkg was for when you have the .deb in front of you... so to speak
[02:13] <nutshell42> dpkg -i doesn't work?
[02:13] <nutshell42> I thought you didn't need any special options
[02:14] <techniq> no.. i terrors if the file a previous version is already installed
[02:14] <techniq> I can remove it and install the new one.. 
[02:14] <neoncode> does libtotem work with firefox RC 3?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> not sure, there's something on the wiki about it
[02:14] <nutshell42> you sure? I thought it only produced errors if you tried to overwrite files of a different package
[02:14] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[02:14] <ubotu> [firefox1.5]  see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[02:14] <techniq> dpkg: error processing klearlook-0.9.3_0.9.3-1_i386.deb (--install):
[02:14] <techniq>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/kstyle_klearlook_config.la', which is also in package klearlook-0.9.2
[02:14] <nutshell42> --force-overwrite should work
[02:15] <techniq> they are self made files from cleaninstall
[02:15] <neoncode> I think that was about RC 1?
[02:15] <techniq> so maybe I just don't know what I'm doing ;)
[02:15] <neoncode> Meh, I guess i'll just try it....
[02:15] <nutshell42> techniq: could be, I never made a .deb =P
[02:15] <techniq> awe.. I think I see why :)
[02:16] <nutshell42> I assume you somehow made him think they are different packages
[02:16] <techniq> the name is klearlook-0.9.3 (and the version shows 0.9.3).. probably since they have conflicting names.. one is klearlook-0.9.2 and the other klearlook-0.9.3 it thinks there different files
[02:16] <neoncode> nope... doesn't seem to... T_T
[02:22] <Drakeson> where can I find the about:konqueror files?
[02:22] <Drakeson> (gonna touch them a bit ;)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> ~/.kde/config maybe?
[02:22] <redondos> has everyone already installed kde 3.5?
[02:22] <Drakeson> Hobbsee: nah
[02:22] <redondos> do your homework
[02:23] <Drakeson> redondos: yep! me!
[02:23] <Hobbsee> redondos: yeah, from rc2
[02:23] <redondos> sweetness
[02:23] <neoncode> hey, did wine get a 0.9.2 relace? sweet...
[02:23] <redondos> already taken the acid2 test?
[02:23] <redondos> yay
[02:23] <kkathman> hi there redondos :)
[02:23] <redondos> hihi kkathman 
[02:23] <nutshell42> Drakeson: about:konqueror is the page it loads at startup?
[02:23] <kkathman> just thought I'd wave and say hi....i'll be quiet now ;)
[02:24] <nutshell42> file:///usr/share/apps/konqueror/about/launch.html
[02:25] <neoncode> hey, text won't display in flashplayer in firefox...
[02:25] <Drakeson> thnx, stupid me! it could be found with a mouse hover!
[02:25] <redondos> kkathman: hi is good :D
[02:25] <redondos> just that I was on the phone
[02:26] <redondos> anyway, guys, where in the 'regional and accesibility' section of kconfig can I configure my keyboard's multimedia keys?
[02:26] <nutshell42> redondos: khotkeys
[02:26] <redondos> I'd like something like 'dcop amarok player next' for the "next" button & stuff
[02:26] <neoncode> hey wait, firefox 1.5 is properly relised! yay, I realy need to know these things faster....
[02:27] <redondos> nutshell42: ty!
[02:28] <ccc_> firefox 1.5 :O
[02:29] <jefferyb> Thanks guys for the help... I haven't gotten to work, but I will be back later with more questions... Thank you again for the help
[02:29] <McScruff>   klibido: Depends: kdelibs4 (>= 4:3.3.2-6.2) but it is not installable
[02:30] <McScruff> Help -^^
[02:30] <kkathman> MCScruff try pan as a newsreader...its nicer than Klibido
[02:31] <McScruff> but it dont do nzb's
[02:31] <nutshell42> hmm, total kde fsck up
[02:31] <nutshell42> I wonder whether kde 3.5 is really stable
[02:31] <kkathman> McScruff: are you on 3.4.3 or 3.5 ?
[02:31] <McScruff> 3.5
[02:31] <McScruff> is it time to downgrade already?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> McScruff: apt-get install kdelibs4-dev
[02:33] <McScruff> i have
[02:33] <aseigo> nutshell42: yes, it is =) 
[02:33] <McScruff> :)
[02:33] <aseigo> nutshell42: describe "total kde fuck up"
[02:33] <McScruff> i can, the new kde is shite 
[02:33] <Hobbsee> McScruff: apt-get install kdelibs4c2
[02:34] <McScruff> kdelibs4c2 is already the newest version.
[02:34] <neoncode> what's up with KDE 3.5? I still have 3.4 as I have not had time to upgrade..
[02:34] <Hobbsee> !kde3.5
[02:34] <ubotu> it has been said that kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[02:34] <McScruff> neoncode, i wouldnt yet
[02:34] <icewt> does the upgrade to KDE 3.5 go smooth? and does it work well?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> what are the problems with it?
[02:35] <neoncode> McScruff: what's up with it?
[02:35] <McScruff> well i can compile nothing now...
[02:35] <Hobbsee> McScruff: apt-get install kde-devel?
[02:35] <McScruff> hmm, i thought it would have done that when i upgraded..
[02:35] <McScruff> it hasnt
[02:36] <McScruff> ty hobbsee
[02:36] <Hobbsee> McScruff: check of kdelibs4-dev too - somethings saying that you dont have it
[02:36] <McScruff> i already checked and i have that
[02:36] <Hobbsee> ah ok, cool
[02:44] <McScruff> configure: error: Error: uudeview.h not found!  - anyone know the name of the dev package this is in
[02:45] <amu> libuu-dev
[02:49] <amu> which is a general problem for kubuntu main-packages, cause libuu-dev home is in universe  
[02:51] <McScruff> cheers
[02:51] <nalioth> McScruff: yes, open a console and type "apt-cache search uudeview"  and install the -dev pkg
[02:53] <crimsun> amu: could it be promoted to main?
[02:53] <infamus> wow, this channel is quiet....
[02:54] <infamus> what kind of cool stuff can i do with KDE
[02:54] <amu> nalioth: do you know, about what youre talking? sorry thats bullshit
[02:54] <jonathon> hello how do i get rid of all the ubuntu stuff out of my computer
[02:54] <infamus> jonathan, reformatting ususally works
[02:55] <jonathon> hehe
[02:55] <icewt> any problems in upgrading to kde 3.5?
[02:55] <jonathon> i want kubuntu distro the same as if i had kubuntu cd
[02:55] <McScruff> FFS Still wont MAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[02:55] <jonathon> i dont wan ubuntu i want the gnome stuff all gone
[02:55] <amu> crimsun: depends, he didnt told us, on what he's working in, what he's doing ... he just asked which packages includes uudeview.h .. the answer was libuu-dev 
[02:56] <infamus> icewt: nope, worked like a charm, i just installed with apt-get install kde
[02:56] <JptrDuo> I wanna upgrade to kde 3.5 but all my pacakges keep being held back after installing the repo/key on the kubuntu website
[02:56] <McScruff> amu, that package worked a treat :P
[02:56] <infamus> JptrrDuo: i never had that problem.....
[02:56] <amu> crimsun: guess you know what's needed in order to pass to main? 
[02:56] <bassburner> JptrDuo: I'm having the same problem
[02:57] <JptrDuo> would it be a problem if I'm running kde rite now? if I went into runlevel 2 would that solve it?
[02:57] <icewt> infamus: ok, good
[02:57] <amu> McScruff: cheers
[02:57] <crimsun> amu: ah, I just happened to switch over to this buffer. Your reply read like it was a b-d issue.
[02:57] <infamus> JptrDuo, just update kde through terminal, you packages should be fine
[02:57] <Sneaky_Bastard> I guess I have to burn down this box and start over :(
[02:57] <McScruff> Got A Make Error, Very Annoyed now (i still blame kde 3.5) http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/443045
[02:58] <crimsun> amu: (as in a major b-d issue preventing KDE packages from building properly in main)
[02:58] <nalioth> amu: may i help you?
[02:58] <JptrDuo> yeah, I get this problem when I do sudo apt-get upgrade (after updating the repo's of course)
[02:58] <nalioth> amu: i do not appreciate profanity in the channel, esp when connected with me
[02:59] <bassburner> JptrDuo: I just tried an apt-get dist-upgrade and it's installing everything now.  I can't say that this won't break everything though
[02:59] <amu> crimsun: no prob, its not needed
[02:59] <jonathon> hello i know u get ap-get install kubuntu-desktop how do u get rid of the gnome stuff
[02:59] <infamus> JptrDuo: its odd, im not having that problem.....
[02:59] <JptrDuo> interesting, supposedly dist-upgrade is "safer" than upgrade, I'll try taht now
[03:00] <JptrDuo> waddaya know, it's getting ready to download a lot of stuff now :-)
[03:00] <JptrDuo> thx for making a great distro guys!
[03:00] <jonathon> i dist-upgraded myself from hoary to breezy go me!
[03:00] <Hobbsee> yay jonathon!
[03:00] <Sneaky_Bastard> yah, wub joo all!!!
[03:05] <amu> McScruff: link: cannot find the library `/lib/libacl.la
[03:06] <amu> McScruff: the correct answer, the missing package you search is: libacl1-dev
[03:07] <infamus> !tell infamus about make
[03:07] <infamus> grrrr, i cant compile mplayer
[03:07] <jsubl2> grrrrrrrrrr why not
[03:08] <jonathon> yo no one knows how to get rid of ubuntu????????????
[03:08] <infamus> jsubl2: cuz im prolly doin something wrong
[03:08] <jsubl2> apt-get build-dep mplayer
[03:08] <infamus> oh, ok
[03:09] <amu> jonathon: install SuSE? 
[03:09] <jsubl2> thats blasphemy
[03:10] <infamus> jsubl2: E:unable to find source package for mplayer
[03:10] <durt> kde crashes (freezes) very frequently, especially when i run konqueror. whats going on?
[03:10] <amu> jsubl2: build-dep mplayer is blasphemy :) ? 
[03:10] <jsubl2> enable universe and multiverse in your apt sources
[03:10] <jsubl2> infamus, you don't need to build it. that apt one is fine
[03:10] <jsubl2> !find mplayer
[03:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu Package Listing of 'mplayer' (11 shown): mozilla-mplayer ;; mplayer-386 ;; mplayer-586 ;; mplayer-686 ;; mplayer-custom ;; mplayer-doc ;; mplayer-fonts ;; mplayer-k6 ;; mplayer-k7 ;; mplayer-nogui ;; xmms-xmmplayer.
[03:11] <infamus> jsubl2: n00b question-how do i enable universe and multiverse
[03:11] <McScruff> Hobbsee , u around?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:11] <durt> infamus: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment some repos
[03:11] <jsubl2> infamus, use adept.. it has menu buttons for that i believe
[03:12] <McScruff> can i pm?
[03:12] <jsubl2> or synaptic
[03:12] <infamus> jsubl2: adept? oh yeah your dealing with a linux n00b!
[03:12] <jsubl2> it is under the system menu
[03:12] <Hobbsee> McScruff: just say it in the main channel
[03:13] <jonathon> amu: i dont want to get rid of ubuntu i want to turn my distro into KUbuntu and i want all the gnome parts gone 
[03:13] <jonathon> amu: ubuntu out kubtuntu in
[03:13] <durt> jonathon: apt-get install kubuntu_desktop and your good to go
[03:14] <jonathon> i want the gnome stuff gone
[03:14] <jonathon> is there a command for that
[03:14] <Hobbsee> jonathon: yes, ubuntuforums.org - there's a howto
[03:14] <jonathon> cool
[03:14] <durt> that will uninstall gimp, gaim and all that other good stuff though
[03:14] <jonathon> thanks hobbsee
[03:14] <amu> jonathon: run a apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[03:14] <jonathon> AWESOME
[03:15] <jonathon> now i have my information!
[03:15] <kiko0123> hello guys
[03:15] <amu> jonathon: you maybe need later on run a apt-get install kubuntu-desktop, thats all 
[03:15] <infamus> jsubl2: i cant find adept and cant remember the command to edit sources.list from the terminal
[03:16] <kiko0123> i just installed kubuntu on my computer but i<m having a problem with KRDC can anyone help me please ^
[03:16] <Hobbsee> infamus: kdesu adept
[03:17] <jsubl2> infamus, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[03:17] <kiko0123> it tells me rdesktop failiure Annuler-krdc. Could not start rdesktop; make sure rdesktop is properly installed
[03:17] <benplaut> how do i set Konq to always open with tree sidebar open? i can't figure out how to get back the sidebar...
[03:17] <kiko0123> but i didint installed anything it came standar when i installed kubuntu
[03:17] <McScruff> Hobbsee , When i have made this package, can i send it to anyone to get it checked and maybe put in universe or something?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> McScruff: got no idea, i've never tried
[03:18] <McScruff> kk
[03:19] <McScruff> anyone else know if i can submit it somewhere as the current one is sooooooo old
[03:19] <Hobbsee> whoever maintains backports, i guess...
[03:19] <kiko0123> anyone can help me ^
[03:19] <kiko0123> *?
[03:19] <amu> McScruff: sure, you'll also help maintain  it? 
[03:19] <McScruff> yea
[03:19] <crimsun> McScruff: backports are automatically built from the current development version
[03:20] <amu> McScruff: which package we're talking about? a new one?  
[03:20] <McScruff> klibido
[03:20] <McScruff> klibido 0.2.4.1
[03:20] <amu> crimsun: you're still in the motu team? 
[03:20] <McScruff> :)
[03:21] <crimsun> amu: yep
[03:21] <amu> filename: pool/universe/k/klibido/klibido_0.2.4.1-1
[03:21] <sophie_> any hardware guru here
[03:22] <amu> McScruff: it's still there 
[03:22] <sophie_> how can I diognostic a harddrive in linux my system freezes and I think its related
[03:23] <amu> crimsun: cool you take care about the backpors? are those 'offical' backports?  
[03:24] <crimsun> amu: I'm not involved with backports, but the ones in breezy-backports are official, yes
[03:24] <McScruff> amu, i didnt see that one before i startedto build, nevermind
[03:24] <kiko0123> hello anyone here can help me with my krdc issue please ?
[03:25] <amu> crimsun: hmm, why Riddell and me build the backports manual if they are done automatic ? 
[03:26] <crimsun> amu: you still have to request them
[03:26] <amu> crimsun: i spend the last 10h on the ppc 3.5 backports :( 
[03:27] <crimsun> amu: the ones on kubuntu.org, correct?
[03:27] <amu> crimsun: yep
[03:27] <crimsun> amu: right, the ones that go into archive.ubuntu.com are by-handed by elmo
[03:28] <amu> cool, thx for this update :) 
[03:30] <crimsun> nwo: np
[03:33] <durt> tuxbar is so cool ;)
[03:36] <bonggnu> hi
[03:36] <regeya> GREATINGS
[03:36] <bonggnu> libksieve0 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1
[03:36] <regeya> GOT ANY WEED?
[03:36] <bonggnu> northern lights rlz
[03:36] <regeya> lol what
[03:37] <Hobbsee> regeya: i think you might have the wrong channel...
[03:37] <regeya> hi Hobbsee
[03:37] <Hobbsee> hey regeya 
[03:37] <bonggnu> i can't get this package
[03:37] <bonggnu> i am upgrading to kde 3.5
[03:37] <regeya> I'm very impressed at how well kde apps work with (get this) windowmaker
[03:37] <regeya> if only wmaker could handle dnd events
[03:37] <regeya> (from something other than gnustep apps)
[03:39] <kiko0123> why isint anyone answering me :<( ^
[03:39] <regeya> kiko0123: just got here, and I'm wondering what your problem is
[03:39] <McScruff> amu, that klibido in backports, how do i grab it through apt-get? i have un #'d the backporst repo but no luck, it still tries to install 0.2.3
[03:39] <regeya> dunno about libksieve0
[03:39] <kiko0123> hey regeya 
[03:39] <regeya> dunno about libksieve0 bonggnu 
[03:39] <Hobbsee> kiko0123: no one knows?
[03:39] <kiko0123> well i<m having issues with KRDC
[03:40] <kiko0123> it tells me rdesktop failiure Annuler-krdc. Could not start rdesktop; make sure rdesktop is properly installed
[03:40] <regeya> oh...well, I can tell you, I don't know. :-(
[03:40] <kiko0123> how can i uninstall and reinstall it back ? i need it to connect to college so i can finish my programming homework :Z
[03:41] <regeya> but if anyone knows any reason why katd won't start for me, lemme know. :-)
[03:41] <regeya> heh
[03:41] <kiko0123> i just instaled kubuntu
[03:41] <kiko0123> didint touched anything yet
[03:41] <regeya> oh whee wmaker just died twice 
[03:41] <jilocasin> 'ello all
[03:41] <regeya> kiko0123: silly question; have you run an update/upgrade yet?
[03:42] <kiko0123> regeya:  yes i did
[03:42] <regeya> ok
[03:42] <kiko0123> i enabled all deb packages and run update
[03:42] <kiko0123> adept thing
[03:42] <kiko0123> also im not able to su
[03:42] <Hobbsee> !tell kiko0123 about sudo
[03:43] <kiko0123> i try to get in root in shell but it tells me wrong password i was never asked to set a password
[03:43] <Hobbsee> read the link ubotu sent you...
[03:43] <kiko0123> no way i can just su instead of using sudo ?
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> kiko0123: not for root
[03:43] <infamus> jsubl2: i tried adding the universe and multiverse repos in adept, but im getting malformed line errors now
[03:43] <jilocasin> anyone know why when I try to set eth0 manually it blanks out the gateway making it so I can't connect?
[03:43] <regeya> kiko0123: if you really must have root, 'sudo passwd'
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> kiko0123: well, you can re-enagble root if you want
[03:43] <kiko0123> yea i would like to
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> but some tools may (will?) break
[03:43] <McScruff> amu or crimson, that klibido in backports, how do i grab it through apt-get? i have un #'d the backporst repo but no luck, it still tries to install 0.2.3
[03:44] <Hobbsee> instructions are on that page, too lol
[03:44] <kiko0123> thanx
[03:44] <kiko0123> ill take a  look
[03:44] <jsubl2> infamus, did you change them by hand or with adept/synaptic
[03:45] <infamus> jsubl2: at first i tried with adept, but when i enabled the universe repos adept crashed and shut down
[03:46] <jsubl2> copy them to pastebin
[03:46] <jsubl2> and post the link
[03:46] <jsubl2> see /topic
[03:46] <Maniqui> Hi
[03:47] <Maniqui> i need some help, i'm very newbie in linux
[03:47] <kkathman> Maniqui:  whats up?
[03:47] <Maniqui> hi kkathman, thanks for replying
[03:47] <Maniqui> i have installed kubuntu 5.10
[03:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> Maniqui: ask a question, don't ask if peopl ewill help
[03:48] <Maniqui> ok!
[03:48] <infamus> jsubl2: here- http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/443101
[03:48] <kiko0123> guys for my krdc issue i found something on help:/krdc/installation.html it says: Remote Desktop Connection can be found in the kdenetwork package on ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/
[03:48] <kiko0123> now i go on ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/snapshots
[03:48] <Maniqui> i have installed kubuntu
[03:48] <kiko0123> but there is several one
[03:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> Maniqui: :)
[03:48] <kiko0123> which one should i take exactly?
[03:48] <Maniqui> but my network card isnt detected
[03:48] <kiko0123> i see several kdenetwork packages :Z
[03:49] <Maniqui> I have the RT2500
[03:49] <Maniqui> I know that it has "problems" in Ubuntu
[03:49] <kkathman> Maniqui: some do
[03:49] <Maniqui> I mean, it has RALINK RT2500 (it's a MSI PC54G2)
[03:50] <Maniqui> few months ago I tried Ubuntu 4.x (cant remember) and the card wasnt detected
[03:50] <Maniqui> I have found the project in sourceforge about RT2X00 drivers for Linux
[03:50] <kkathman> Maniqui: there are a few that Linux, in general, dont like..but I cant tell you exactly which ones they are
[03:50] <Maniqui> the problem is: I dont have no idea how to install a driver in linux
[03:51] <kkathman> well the problem isnt the driver really, its getting the driver to be used in the kernal I think
[03:51] <kkathman> though I know some NICs have linux drivers
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's a module, not a driver
[03:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> Maniqui: is there a linux module for the software
[03:51] <jilocasin> anyone know why when I try to set eth0 manually it blanks out the gateway making it so I can't connect?
[03:52] <kkathman> if its a module thats a good thing
[03:52] <Maniqui> ok, kkathman. Yes, there is one, I will give you the URL in few seconds
[03:52] <kkathman> jilocasin: yah thats standard..but it should stay put when you reboot
[03:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> jilocasin: can you be more specifiic?
[03:53] <kkathman> I came across this just this past weekend in fact
[03:53] <jilocasin> kamping_kaiser: System Settings -> NetworkSettings ->Administrator mode -> configure interface
[03:54] <jilocasin> kamping_kaiser: Change dhcp to manual, Enter gateway in empty Routes tab. Apply, redoes network, close window, try to connect, connection refused, 
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. bizare
[03:55] <kkathman> jilocasin: yes I know exactly what you are talking about
[03:55] <jilocasin> kamping_kaiser: Reopen Network settings, gateway blank.
[03:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> bug?
[03:55] <kkathman> yep
[03:55] <infamus> jsubl2: nvm, i found the error
[03:55] <jilocasin> kkathman: workaround?
[03:55] <kkathman> jilocasin: go to a konsole and type sudo network-admin
[03:55] <kkathman> and do it there
[03:56] <Maniqui> i'm back: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/
[03:56] <jilocasin> kkathman: tried, "command not found"
[03:56] <kiko0123> errr i need to get krdc working so i can finish my vb.net program for tomorrow :Z:Z
[03:57] <Maniqui> that is what I need to install to my fresh ubuntu install
[03:57] <Maniqui> of course, no idea how to do it, and I'm right now at Windows
[03:57] <kkathman> jilocasin: ohh you prolly installed only kubuntu
[03:57] <jilocasin> kkathman: what else do I need to install?
[03:57] <Maniqui> so, if I move to Kubuntu right now, I will be in "blind mode", with no internet. :|
[03:58] <kkathman> jilocasin: lemme check
[03:59] <kkathman> jilocasin: are you trying to use dhcp or static?
[03:59] <[Relic] > is there a master list of all the processes and what resources they use?
[03:59] <LjL> [Relic] : ps aux
[03:59] <jilocasin> kkathman: static, dhcp works, sort of, that's how I'm connected now, 
[03:59] <LjL> [Relic] : or press ctrl+esc
[03:59] <kkathman> jilocasin: I'd stick with dhcp then
[04:00] <kkathman> jilocasin: do you get DNS?
[04:00] <[Relic] > looking for a description of those
[04:00] <LjL> [Relic] : what do you mean?
[04:00] <jilocasin> kkathman:DNS, yep three actually 2 from my ISP and 1 from my router.
[04:00] <infamus> jsubl2: yay, adept is installing just fine
[04:01] <[Relic] > hoping to find a web page that listed out what they do so I could figure out if I could shut any of the down or if they were all needed
[04:01] <kkathman> jilocasin: you should be in good shape then
[04:01] <jilocasin> kkathman:not really, DNS is unstable and slow....
[04:02] <jilocasin> kkathman, how do I get the gateway to stick when using a static IP?
[04:02] <kiko0123> i have a tar.bz2 file how do i decompress ?
[04:02] <kiko0123> nm got it
[04:02] <kkathman> jilocasin: what I found, was that when I put that gateway in, and hit OK..even though it didnt seem to be there, after I rebooted, and went and checked...it was there
[04:03] <LjL> [Relic] : don't shut them down. see the files in /etc/init.d for services that are kept running on the system, some of which you *might* possibly disable
[04:03] <LjL> [Relic] : don't just kill the processes
[04:03] <LjL> [Relic] : anyway, i'm pretty sure most of the standard processes you've running have an useful purpose
[04:04] <[Relic] > I know that much, that is why I was wondering if there was a master list of the most common processes
[04:04] <jilocasin> kkathman: well I'll try that, brb I hope....
[04:04] <LjL> [Relic] : don't think
[04:05] <LjL> [Relic] : why not just list the files in /etc/init.d, do an "apt-cache show <package>" for all of them to see what they do, and then decide which (if any) to not start?
[04:06] <LjL> (or a "man <programname>" for that matter)
[04:07] <kkathman> I wish I could catch on to lInux's way of networking...its seems rational, but there are alot of pitfalls that I havent worked out
[04:09] <[Relic] > "man programname" doesn't seem to work well
[04:10] <isaneo> hello :)
[04:10] <kiko0123> hum ok i got the kdenetwork package extracted it, its suposed to be insatlled via ./configure, make then makeinstall, i made the ./configure it asked me to install gcc which i did but i still have some errors http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/443115 what else i have to do so it install correctly ?
[04:10] <LjL> [Relic] : that's mostly because programs may have a different name than what's in /etc/init.d
[04:10] <isaneo> can someone tell me the line I need in sources.list to enable multiverse?
[04:11] <isaneo> (I have universe, apparently)
[04:11] <LjL> [Relic] : if you type "dpkg -S <filename>", like "dpkg -S /etc/init.d/something", you should be able to see what package it belongs to
[04:11] <LjL> [Relic] : then, you can do an "apt-cache show package", or a "dpkg -L package | grep man" to see what the man page is called
[04:12] <isaneo> and also, is there a way to have more than one apt-get install going simultaneously? (complains about a lock file if I try)
[04:13] <LjL> isaneo: no
[04:13] <isaneo> wow
[04:13] <isaneo> that is useless
[04:14] <isaneo> I thought apt was meant to be versatile and such...
[04:14] <LjL> isaneo: what, not being able to install more than one program at a time?
[04:14] <LjL> seems quite reasonable to me
[04:14] <isaneo> ...
[04:14] <LjL> why would you *want* to install more than one program at a time?
[04:14] <isaneo> how does that seem reasonable?
[04:14] <isaneo> why wouldn't I? 
[04:14] <isaneo> if I want, for example to apt-get install kde
[04:14] <isaneo> or some other big package
[04:14] <isaneo> and then want to get another small package...
[04:15] <LjL> the first thing you're installing will be doing many (big, in the case of kde) changes to your filesystem and configurations
[04:15] <LjL> the last thing you'd want is one installation getting in the way of another
[04:17] <Hobbsee_away> isaneo: then you just say "sudo apt-get install package1 package2 package3 package4" all on one line, and it works fine, as long as all the packages exist
[04:18] <LjL> have you used windows? why do you think all installers on windows say "Please close all programs before continuing"?
[04:19] <LjL> well, you don't need to close all programs in ubuntu (you often don't really need to in windows either, but anyway), but at least you definitely shouldn't be installing two programs at once, either in windows or in ubuntu
[04:25] <Maniqui> hi, i'm here again. After installing the module for my wifi netcard, I think I should learn hot to mount an NTFS partition, so I can access to the zipped wifi netcard module, that is in a NTFS partition
[04:26] <Maniqui> "After" = "Before"
[04:26] <rinux> alguien sabe cual es la sala de charlas en espaol????
[04:27] <Hobbsee> !es
[04:27] <ubotu> Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #ubuntu-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.
[04:27] <Maniqui> charlas en espaol? ea!! eso, eso
[04:27] <Maniqui> gracias!!!
[04:27] <rinux> gracias!
[04:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:27] <Hobbsee> !mount
[04:27] <ubotu> [mount]  the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[04:28] <Maniqui> thanks ubotu
[04:32] <kiko0123> !gcc
[04:33] <ubotu> from memory, gcc is the GNU project C and C++ compiler.  From the command-line, type "man gcc" for a complete manual on gcc.
[04:33] <kiko0123> errr
[04:33] <kiko0123> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/443115 i<m having a error the c compiler cant create executables :Z
[04:34] <[Relic] > is there anyway to quickly find the last modified file on the HD, I am trying to figure out exactly what keeps my HD running all the time, I am assuming something is loggin but not sure what
[04:38] <Hobbsee> [Relic] : top?
[04:41] <[Relic] > nothing labeled with log seems to be doing it
[04:44] <bonggnu> anyone has a unichrome video chipset?
[04:48] <sophie_> bonggnu: http://unichrome.sourceforge.net/
[04:51] <neoncode> hey will any linux with a GUI run on a 6 year old computer with 32MB RAM?
[04:51] <neoncode> such as xubuntu?
[04:55] <icewt> mm.. kde 3.5 looks good :)
[04:55] <kkathman> icewt: had any glitches yet??  Many are reporting icon probs
[04:55] <icewt> kkathman: just installed. what kind of icon problems?
[04:56] <kkathman> sizing it seems
[04:56] <icewt> hmm.. haven't noticed anything yet
[04:56] <kiko0123> how do you install it i didint understand
[04:57] <kkathman> kiko0123: right now you have to go and get the source from KDE.org 
[04:57] <kiko0123> hum and what is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php ^
[04:57] <kkathman> or I guess there's something on the kubuntu website too
[04:57] <kiko0123> i followed that but nothing changed
[04:59] <icewt> fixed one of my problems though. at some point no new apps i installed were added in the menu when using 3.4.3. now when i installed 3.5 they are all there
[04:59] <kkathman> nice
[05:01] <icewt> i wonder if xdmcp support in kdm is also fixed...
[05:10] <_texas> hey guys can u tell me how to mount my DVD drive please?
[05:11] <Hobbsee> !mount
[05:11] <ubotu> methinks mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[05:11] <stupendo44> how's kde 3.5 looking for kubuntu breezy?
[05:12] <_texas> really sweet, m a noob but its runnin really good
[05:12] <stupendo44> is it in the default repository, or somewhere special?
[05:12] <Dr_Fate> W: Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35/pool-breezy/kdepim/kaddressbook_3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb
[05:12] <Dr_Fate>   Size mismatch
[05:12] <Dr_Fate> W: Failed to fetch http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35/pool-breezy/kdepim/akregator_3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb
[05:12] <Dr_Fate>   Size mismatch
[05:13] <Dr_Fate> and more
[05:13] <Dr_Fate> I followed the announcement page to the letter
[05:13] <Dr_Fate> what gives?
[05:13] <icewt> Dr_Fate: try sudo apt-get clean
[05:14] <nalioth> ubotu: tell Dr_Fate about gpgerr
[05:14] <nalioth> Dr_Fate: basically, those msgs are telling you to "try your download again, our server is being hammered atm"
[05:16] <Dr_Fate> thx
[05:16] <Dr_Fate> now this pat-get install kubuntu-desktop is going to install KDE 3.5 right?
[05:18] <kiko0123> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables. anyone know how to fix this error ^
[05:18] <kiko0123> ?????
[05:18] <nalioth> kiko0123: install "build-essential"
[05:18] <nalioth> Dr_Fate: have you enabled the 3.5 Final repos?
[05:19] <kiko0123> got it
[05:19] <kiko0123> installing..
[05:20] <kiko0123> wow thank you nalioth works :)
[05:20] <kiko0123> errr
[05:20] <kiko0123> an other error now :X
[05:20] <kiko0123> checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[05:20] <nalioth> !xincludes
[05:20] <ubotu> xincludes is, like, totally, for X dev libs, install xlibs-dev xlibs-static-dev and x-window-system-dev
[05:20] <kiko0123> thats what i dont like about linux :Z
[05:20] <miraage> hi all: how primetime is kubuntu: kde-3.5? i need something really non-flaky for a novice user.
[05:20] <Dr_Fate> nalioth, yes
[05:21] <nalioth> Dr_Fate: then when you dist-upgrade you should be brought to the 'final' release of 3.5
[05:27] <Dr_Fate> isn't superkaramba supposed to be intergrated into KDE now?
[05:28] <Dr_Fate> How do I enable it?
[05:28] <_aj> can i get help here if i have problems with gtk apps with kubuntu?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> _aj: yes you on breezy?
[05:28] <Dr_Fate> yes
[05:28] <_aj> yes
[05:28] <nalioth> Dr_Fate: k > run app > superkaramba
[05:28] <_aj> i get this error about cairo_xlib_create_surface with any gtk app
[05:28] <merc> i just upgraded to breezy, and would like to give kde 3.5 a run, i put in the line i need in the sources.list file, what package is it that i need to apt-get to install it?
[05:28] <Dr_Fate> superkaramba
[05:29] <Dr_Fate> Could not run the specified command.
[05:30] <_aj> the thing is google doesn't even know that error and i can't seem to get any help on this
[05:30] <kiko0123> inpossibl
[05:30] <kiko0123> *inpossible
[05:30] <kiko0123> google know everything
[05:30] <_aj> not anymore
[05:30] <merc> *impossible :P
[05:30] <nalioth> Dr_Fate: the repos are not fully updated i'm thinking , since you earlier got size mismatches (indicating that you d/l a file that was in the process of uploading to the server)
[05:31] <Hobbsee> wow!  locate is sure faster than kfind!
[05:31] <nalioth> _aj: does your gtk app start? or error out totally with that error msg?
[05:31] <_aj> errors out
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> locate searches a db
[05:32] <_aj> its some undefined symbol
[05:32] <_aj> either it has a symbol it doesn't understand or cairo is trying to do something that isn't in gtk?
[05:32] <_aj> i don't know much about cairo and gtk really but thats my gathering
[05:33] <_aj> i really don't want to re-install everything i was hoping to just re-compile something or apt-get something if need be
[05:33] <icewt> Dr_Fate: superkaramba seems to be in the kde 3.5 repository, you still just have to install it separately
[05:34] <nalioth> _aj: do you have ubuntu-desktop installed?
[05:34] <_Sparky> Evening all..
[05:34] <merc> im trying to install kde 3.5, i've added the line in sources.list i need, what packages do i need to apt-get to install it?
[05:34] <_aj> let me check
[05:35] <nalioth> merc: none. just apt-get update and dist-upgrade
[05:35] <_aj> hmm
[05:35] <_aj> guess not
[05:35] <nalioth> merc: unlesss you've never run kubuntu before, then install "kubuntu-desktop"
[05:35] <jilocasin> anyone know how I can add support for the various video and audio formats (wmv mpeg, etc.) in kubuntu
[05:35] <merc> ahh
[05:35] <merc> there we go.
[05:35] <nalioth> ubotu: tell jilocasin about multimedia
[05:36] <merc> whaoh, dependency stuff craziness..
[05:37] <merc> apt-getting kubuntu-desktop says its not going to install a bunch of stuff like kmail knotes etc..
[05:37] <_Sparky> merc: try using the Adept Updater. all I had to do was reboot to fix some module issues.
[05:37] <nalioth> merc: not uncommon during a version upgrade like this
[05:38] <nalioth> merc: lots of pkgs are still not updated, and may update at a later time
[05:38] <merc> ok, so i just ignore them for now? (is that -f?) 
[05:38] <_Sparky> ubotu tell _Sparky about multimedia
[05:38] <mtupper> i find kde wallet to be kinda pointless and its starting to irritate me.  I want to disable it and I found it in Kcontrol > KDE Components > Service Manager ... but I cant do anything here!!!  anybody got an answer to my pickle?
[05:38] <kkathman> but hopefully still work we might add :)
[05:38] <_aj> i installed that but still get the same error for some reason
[05:39] <mtupper> oh, and I did CLI$  sudo kcontrol...
[05:40] <_Sparky> ubotu tell _Sparky about acrobat
[05:40] <kiko0123> !qt
[05:40] <ubotu> Qt is the Q-toolkit. Qt is to KDE what GTK is to GNOME. For the Qt includes, install the libqt3-mt-dev package
[05:40] <Hobbsee> mtupper: dont you want security and privacy, kde wallet?
[05:40] <kiko0123> !qt
[05:40] <WolfManz611> anyone have any idea why using adept would make my drive icons dissapear?
[05:40] <Hobbsee> in control, this is
[05:40] <Hobbsee> *in kcontrol, this is
[05:40] <mtupper> another thing thats growing on me, I find Kwifimanager to be kinda ghetto, anybody recommend something better?
[05:42] <mtupper> Hobbsee, please tell me the security benefit!  All I notice is that immediately after logging on (with my std user password) kmail launches and triggers KDE wallet, yet again asking for my password...  so at the end of the day, its just like a double login, but I see no extra security benefit...
[05:43] <_aj> what package is ark in? anyone know?
[05:43] <sampan> mtupper, i think i just right-clicked the tray icon for it and selected "configure" and then unchecked the "enable wallet manager" box -- it's never reappeared for me
[05:43] <sampan> for me, best security is just plain memorizing all my logins and passwords
[05:43] <sampan> ;x
[05:44] <_aj> this is a lost cause
[05:44] <_aj> is there a kubuntu cd that has 3.5 rc2 available?
[05:44] <kiko0123> checking for KDE... configure: error:
[05:44] <kiko0123> in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail.
[05:44] <kiko0123> So, check this please and use another prefix!
[05:44] <kiko0123> hum
[05:44] <kiko0123> !kde headers
[05:44] <ubotu> kiko0123: I give up, what is it?
[05:44] <kiko0123> !prefix
[05:45] <ubotu> kiko0123: Do they come in packets of five?
[05:45] <kiko0123> o_O
[05:45] <kiko0123> :<(
[05:45] <kiko0123> i never choosed prefixes !!!
[05:46] <_aj> is there a way to re-install kubuntu and not lose your X settings because it took me forever to get my touchpad scrolling to work?
[05:47] <mtupper> sampan, sorry I didnt follow you i guess...  right click on Kmail in sys tray?  I cant find the checked "enable wallet manager" doing this...
[05:47] <_aj> should i just back up xorg.conf and things should be good?
[05:48] <nalioth> kiko0123: kde-devel and kdebase-dev
[05:48] <merc> so im trying to emerge kubuntu-desktop, but its saying some crap cant be installed, how do i say 'ok i dont care install the rest of the stuff' (i've tried -f and -m)
[05:48] <nalioth> merc: 'emerge' ? :)
[05:48] <merc> erk!
[05:48] <merc> apt-get
[05:48] <merc> :X
[05:49] <nalioth> merc: yes, you are likely to have "broken" pkgs until the server sync, we've already seen that it IS syncing as we speak
[05:49] <merc> its tough keeping all these distros straight, i run like 3 or 4
[05:49] <merc> nalioth: so, if i just wait and be patient it'll be fixed, is what you're saying?
[05:49] <jilocasin> are there any kde media players that can play mpeg, wmv, etc. with the right codecs?
[05:49] <nalioth> merc: yes
[05:49] <merc> nalioth: ok, thanks :)
[05:49] <nalioth> jilocasin: yes, all of them
[05:49] <merc> (i think the breezy upgrade is messing with the way my laptop mousepad acts.)
[05:50] <merc> usually a double tap+drag would act like drag and drop type stuff
[05:50] <merc> it could just be an fvwm upgrade though
[05:50] <merc> we shall see.
[05:50] <_aj> what laptop you have?
[05:50] <merc> toshiba satellite
[05:50] <_aj> ah ok
[05:50] <_aj> is that a synaptic touchpad?
[05:50] <merc> not positive, lets see..
[05:51] <kiko0123> thanx nalioth..
[05:51] <merc> crap, i forget my exact model.
[05:51] <jilocasin> nalioth: can you give me an example? I've installed the win32codecs and Kaffeinne says it can't play a sample wmv file
[05:52] <sampan> mtupper, kwalletmanager puts an icon in my panel/tray when it's running ... right-clicking it lets me configure it -- and disable the whole thing
[05:52] <nalioth> jilocasin: thanks to uncle bill, the codecs from m$ are always changing
[05:52] <nalioth> jilocasin: so some of your files will work where others will not
[05:52] <WolfManz611> anyone have any idea why using adept would make my drive icons dissapear?
[05:52] <merc> _aj: are there issues with synaptic touchpads and breezy?
[05:52] <mtupper> sampan, ahh... kwalletmanager!  i shall put a bullet in it right now.
[05:52] <sampan> :D
[05:53] <mtupper> hobbsee, cat got your tounge?
[05:53] <sampan> i think hobbsee was disconnected a while back
[05:53] <_aj> well i had to work to get mine to work correctly
[05:53] <kkathman> yah 
[05:53] <kkathman> shes gone
[05:53] <mtupper> before I murder kde wallet, can anybody make a case for why I shouldnt?
[05:53] <merc> _aj: did you have the double click/drag'n drop functionality retardation?
[05:53] <kkathman> I think she compiled one too many things :)
[05:54] <sampan> lol kkathman 
[05:54] <kkathman> hey howzit goin sampan :)
[05:54] <_aj> well i can't really drag and drop using taps
[05:54] <sampan> not too bad ... getting over the thanksgiving slow-down -- hard to get much work done during that week.  yourself?
[05:55] <_aj> i had problems getting the scroll working
[05:55] <merc> _aj: that's my exact problem, the drag and drop tap deal
[05:55] <merc> i dont have a scroll wheel on mine.
[05:55] <_aj> oh ok
[05:55] <merc> _aj: is there a writeup somewhere?
[05:55] <_aj> not that i know of its kinda one of those things that most people don't have the touchpads to really test
[05:56] <merc> what'd you have to do?
[05:56] <merc> kernel crap?
[05:56] <_aj> well 
[05:56] <_aj> make sure when X starts its using the synaptics
[05:56] <_aj> i forget how i fixed it 
[05:56] <merc> lol, im sure ill track down a solution :)
[05:57] <_aj> but there is a file in /etc/ somewhere some pcmouse probe file
[05:57] <merc> brb, painkillers and antibiotics!
[05:57] <_aj> and if you delete it synaptics touchpad worked much better with X
[05:57] <_aj> but if you google around you will see there are lots of different Xorg.conf files for synaptics touchpads
[05:59] <chapium> this has got to be the weirest i've seen
[06:00] <chapium> how do you change the network settings without root!?
[06:00] <_aj> with sudo? lol
[06:00] <sampan> chapium  use sudo
[06:00] <kkathman> chapium:  are you in KDE trying to change it?
[06:01] <kkathman> if so, you probably need to get the Breezy Updates which fix Administrator Mode
[06:01] <sampan> yeah that bug nails a lot of peeps
[06:01] <merc> gah, breezy messed with my fonts too :X
[06:03] <_aj> breezy was buggier than hoary i think
[06:04] <kkathman> _aj:  I do not agree with that at all
[06:05] <kiko0123> DAMN CRAP
[06:05] <kiko0123> i just wasted 3hrs of my life
[06:05] <merc> nice!
[06:05] <_aj> oh ok 
[06:05] <kiko0123> trying to install that KRDC thing
[06:05] <_aj> i've just had a lot of issues
[06:05] <kiko0123> so i could RDC into my computer at college
[06:05] <kiko0123> and same error as before
[06:05] <kiko0123> damn
[06:06] <jilocasin> when I install a package, how do I determine where they were installed to?
[06:06] <sampan> it was buggier for me for sure: admin mode, broken clock, amarok eating up cpu time, now (still) busted scim packages ... lots of things in breezy worked perfectly for me in hoary
[06:07] <merc> im still waiting for the server or whatever to sync up so i can apt-get kde 3.5...
[06:07] <nalioth> jilocasin: in a terminal you can type "dpkg -L $PACKAGENAME"
[06:07] <nalioth> jilocasin: or you can find the pkg in synaptic and right click on it, > properties
[06:07] <_aj> all i know is i can't believe i broke anything gtk based thats a first
[06:07] <_aj> and re-installing gnome doesn't fix it
[06:07] <nalioth> merc: i'd wait a couple of days
[06:07] <_aj> sometimes my konqueror browser will even freeze not sure why but it does
[06:07] <merc> wait!? hah..
[06:07] <nalioth> _aj: have you installed 'ubuntu-desktop' ?
[06:07] <_aj> yea
[06:07] <_aj> well i tried
[06:08] <_aj> dbus-1-utils fails
[06:08] <merc> any way to get it now? :)
[06:08] <nalioth> merc: if you like hitting yer head against the wall
[06:08] <merc> k :)
[06:08] <merc> ill just comment the repo out and get the normal release.
[06:09] <_aj> i don't want to totally re-install breezy i just wish there was a way to fix what i broke
[06:09] <kkathman> _aj: what did you break?
[06:09] <merc> bah, i commented it out and there's one package that says it wont install..
[06:09] <_aj> gtk
[06:09] <kiko0123> anyone know any other RDC tool then KRDC ^^^^
[06:09] <kiko0123> ???
[06:09] <kiko0123> !krdc
[06:09] <ubotu> kiko0123: Are you smoking crack?
[06:09] <kkathman> gnome?
[06:09] <nalioth> _aj: "sudo apt-get -f install" doesnt fix you up?
[06:09] <_aj> nah
[06:09] <merc> lemme try
[06:09] <kkathman> yah
[06:09] <kiko0123> !rdc
[06:09] <ubotu> Bugger all, i dunno, kiko0123
[06:10] <_aj> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/dbus-launch.1.gz', which is also in package dbus
[06:10] <_aj> then it fails
[06:10] <nalioth> _aj: ahh, now we're gettin somewhere
[06:10] <merc> nalioth: nope, says ksysguard wont be installed :( and wont proceed..
[06:10] <nalioth> _aj: at the risk of blowin the shingles off your house, you can force it
[06:10] <_aj> we are?
[06:10] <_aj> how is that?
[06:11] <nalioth> _aj: do you have the location of the .deb it's trying to install?
[06:12] <_aj> yeah i tried to do dpkg -i file.deb
[06:12] <kkathman> nalioth:  he said he broke gtk  ?
[06:12] <luisalberto> hi
[06:12] <merc> hm, says ksysguard has unmet dependencies..
[06:12] <nalioth> kkathman: nah, we're good
[06:12] <nalioth> merc: wait a couple days
[06:12] <kkathman> oh I know...just was curious as to what he meant hehe
[06:12] <merc> i took the 3.5 repo out of the sources.list
[06:12] <merc> im just getting normal kde now
[06:12] <_aj> but yeah its in /var/cache 
[06:12] <nalioth> _aj: you with me? type "sudp apt-get install dbus"
[06:13] <nalioth> crap
[06:13] <nalioth> _aj: whats the full path to the deb?
[06:13] <luisalberto> hi, i'm kde new user
[06:13] <kkathman> hi luisalberto :)
[06:13] <_aj> oh man i messed up this system
[06:13] <luisalberto> hi
[06:13] <kkathman> welcome
[06:13] <nalioth> _aj: no you havent
[06:13] <_aj> yeah
[06:13] <_aj> because dbus fails too
[06:14] <luisalberto> thank you
[06:14] <nalioth> _aj: i'm trying to help you here. what is the path to the deb that fails
[06:14] <_aj> for some reason hal wants dbus 0.50
[06:14] <luisalberto> i love kubuntu
[06:14] <kkathman> luisalberto: its a fine distribution...thanks :)
[06:14] <nalioth> _aj: 'what' are you installing?
[06:14] <_aj> dbus
[06:15] <luisalberto> it's very good, 6 months in use..and is great
[06:15] <nalioth> _aj: no. what are you installing that wants dbus .5 ?
[06:15] <_aj> when i do apt-get install dbus
[06:15] <kkathman> luisalberto: so you arent so "new" really :)
[06:15] <nalioth> _aj: what is the path to the deb that fails, please
[06:15] <kiko0123> anyone know any good RDC tool something like KRDC, KRDC dosent work correctly here for some reasons...
[06:15] <luisalberto> well, + o- , but yeah!
[06:15] <_aj> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:15] <_aj>   hal: Depends: dbus (>= 0.50-1) but 0.36.2-0ubuntu7 is to be installed
[06:16] <_aj> can't i just like apt-get remove anything gnome related and re-do it?
[06:16] <nalioth> _aj: if you'll find the path, i can give you the command line (i dont have it, i'm on a powerpc box)
[06:16] <luisalberto> guys, it's possible install a webcam?
[06:17] <nalioth> _aj: it also sounds to me like you've been installing non ubuntu things
[06:17] <luisalberto> a logitech quickcam usb?
[06:17] <_aj> which path do you need
[06:17] <nalioth> the path to the dbus deb ? 
[06:17] <kiko0123> http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/4645/snapshot12gz.png anyone have an idea why i get that 
[06:17] <kiko0123> ?
[06:18] <_aj> no basically i was dumb and had dapper stuff installed and went back to breezy
[06:18] <nalioth> kiko0123: sudo apt-get install --reinstall rdesktop
[06:18] <luisalberto> yes
[06:18] <nalioth> _aj: ah i see now. you are to put it mildly, in a bucket of trouble
[06:18] <_aj> i fixed it
[06:18] <_aj> well dbus
[06:18] <luisalberto> apt is great...so easy
[06:19] <blanky> anyone here still having problems with kubuntu or is it fixed now
[06:19] <kkathman> blanky: probably it will all shake out in a few days, people are trying to install 3.5 when everything isnt quite synched I think
[06:19] <luisalberto> nop, i just installed kde 3.5 and is nice
[06:20] <blanky> kkathman, ah, that's cool. I've been wanting to use kubuntu-desktop but it kieeps breaking when I upgrade stuff
[06:20] <luisalberto> no problems, run very well
[06:20] <kkathman> blanky: you might wait a couple of days and try again
[06:20] <_aj> ok i think i install ubuntu-desktop now
[06:21] <_aj> except firefox failed
[06:22] <kiko0123> any automated way to install it yet ^
[06:23] <kiko0123> omg
[06:23] <kiko0123> nalioth: I LOVE YOU SOOOO MUCH !
[06:23] <kiko0123> sudo apt-get install --reinstall rdesktop fixed the thing
[06:23] <kiko0123> damn...
[06:23] <kiko0123> i wasted 3hrs trying to reinstall it myself and stuff
[06:23] <kiko0123> :Z:Z:Z
[06:23] <kiko0123> thank you so much nalioth 
[06:23] <nalioth> any time
[06:24] <_aj> nalioth: firefox-gnome-support won't install weird error
[06:24] <nalioth> this is what we're here for
[06:24] <drumline> Does anyone know what causes konquerer to say the following when I put in a cd-rom: "An error occured while loading media:/hdc:  The file or folder media:/hdc does not exist."   
[06:24] <kiko0123> damn yes finally i can connect to college now ! and finish up my vb.net programming project :P
[06:24] <_aj> Updating mozilla-firefox chrome registry...E: Registration process existed with status: 127
[06:24] <nalioth> _aj: you are gonna have nothing but trouble, reverting from dapper to breeezy is best served by a backup of your home directory and a clean install
[06:25] <_aj> lol i was afraid of that
[06:25] <nalioth> kiko0123: you mean i enabled you to work on a "windows" project?
[06:26] <_aj> and dapper is still broken?
[06:27] <nalioth> _aj: dapper has not gotten started good in the "broken" category, lol
[06:27] <_aj> huh? 
[06:28] <_aj> well i'm off to do a fresh install of kubuntu 
[06:28] <_aj> i hate giving up
[06:28] <kiko0123> nalioth: lol.... well yea...
[06:28] <kiko0123> were learning vb.net at college
[06:28] <kiko0123> i<m a IT student
[06:28] <nalioth> _aj: partition yoruself a new partition
[06:28] <nalioth> _aj: and install breezy on the new partition
[06:28] <kiko0123> were starting C this winter (next session)
[06:28] <nalioth> _aj: put dapper back on the dapperized partition 
[06:28] <_aj> well can i do that when i partitioned the whole drive?
[06:29] <nalioth> _aj: and play with both
[06:29] <kiko0123> but we have 2 vb.net classes just to introduce us into the world of programming and learn the basis etc...
[06:29] <nalioth> _aj: you can do anyting you like with a liveCD
[06:29] <nalioth> kiko0123: i'm just givin ya a hard time
[06:29] <kiko0123> heh :P
[06:29] <_aj> so you can re-size a partition with the live cd?
[06:29] <nalioth> _aj: yes you can
[06:30] <_aj> oh cool
[06:30] <_michael> Very impressive community.  I'm new to Linux (well...  New as in 2 years usage, off and on with Microshit Winblows XP), but I've decided to take the plunge...
[06:30] <_aj> you think dapper is even usable yet?
[06:31] <_michael> Anyone know of a good guide to installing tar.gz files or compiling files from source for a newbie?
[06:31] <_michael> AN extreme NEWBIE
[06:32] <Tm_T> _michael: easy one
[06:32] <nalioth> _aj: it is usable if you like the terminal
[06:32] <Tm_T> a) untar package  b) read README and INSTALL files
[06:32] <_aj> lol that bad?
[06:33] <_michael> Many times it will come without README's
[06:33] <_aj> well i did get X to show up but kdm i couldn't even apt-get
[06:33] <_michael> Quick question...
[06:33] <Delvien> anyone here use Kthinkbat???
[06:33] <_michael> I am so used to the WIndows install process that I am thinking maybe installing apps in Linux is more like moving the files of a web site...
[06:33] <_aj> i know a few days ago it wouldn't even let me apt-get install kdm
[06:33] <nalioth> Tm_T: you havent hit the "x is broken" phase yet, eitheer
[06:33] <kiko0123> _michael:  try adept
[06:33] <Tm_T> nalioth: what's that :o
[06:34] <_michael> Everything is more modular, and you can put the files wherever you like as long as the structure of the folders and files stays intact?
[06:34] <kiko0123> really ez
[06:34] <_aj> x being broken is not fun
[06:34] <_michael> Am I right?
[06:34] <nalioth> ubotu: tell _michael about synaptic
[06:34] <kiko0123> tell me too !
[06:34] <_michael> I've used synaptic..
[06:34] <nalioth> _michael: installing files is point and click
[06:34] <_michael> I am just interested in files outside of the
[06:34] <nalioth> ubotu: tell kiko0123 about synaptic
[06:34] <_aj> well i think he wants to learn to compile though
[06:34] <kiko0123> thanx :)
[06:34] <_michael> Right... Compilation of source
[06:34] <nalioth> _michael: compiling is easy
[06:34] <_aj> like ./configure and all that fun stuff
[06:35] <_michael> THe whole reason I went to Linux from WInblows lol
[06:35] <_michael> to compile open source code
[06:35] <nalioth> _michael: but it's preferred for you to use pkgs compiled for k/ubuntu
[06:35] <_aj> i used to hate compiling source
[06:35] <_michael> right right
[06:35] <kiko0123> err nalioth you know what pissed me off
[06:35] <nalioth> kiko0123: not really
[06:35] <kiko0123> earlier when i did this ./configure
[06:36] <_michael> Also...  I am so used to visual studio .et for windows for my c++ programming, and now I don't know where to go for an IDE for C++...  IS that something easy to find that I've overlooked?
[06:36] <kiko0123> damn every min it stopped and gived me a error
[06:36] <_aj> _michael: when you do compile make sure you don't do --prefix=/usr always do --prefix=$HOME/directory
[06:36] <kiko0123> i needed to install libs and stuff
[06:36] <_aj> that way you can't kill your system like i always do
[06:36] <nalioth> _michael: anjuta, kdevelop and eclipse with c/c++ plugin
[06:36] <kiko0123> i hope it isint always like that :Z
[06:36] <_michael> thanks nalioth
[06:36] <kiko0123> can we do vb.net on linux ?
[06:36] <nalioth> kiko0123: as you learn, it'll get easier
[06:37] <nalioth> kiko0123: you can do anything you like on linux
[06:37] <kiko0123> hehe yea
[06:37] <kiko0123> even microsoft stuff :Z ^
[06:37] <_michael> what is kthinkbat?
[06:37] <nalioth> if you wish to soil your box, yes, even m$ stuff
[06:37] <kiko0123> lol nice
[06:37] <_michael> hehe
[06:37] <sampan> somehow that phrase "soil your box" just sounds obscene :X
[06:38] <_michael> you guys have been great... Especially nalioth... thanks a million...
[06:38] <_michael> i will investigate further on the compilation from source, and I will try to stop dual booting lol
[06:38] <_michael> and go purebred Ubuntu!
[06:38] <_michael> Gimme a hell yeah!
[06:38] <nalioth> _michael: drop into #kubuntu-offtopic any time for compile help
[06:38] <_michael> sure thing!
[06:38] <nalioth> _michael: we can help you avoid mistakes that may break your box
[06:38] <_michael> thanks again folks
[06:39] <_michael> sometimes the best way to learn is to break so you're forced to fix lol
[06:39] <_michael> at least that's how i learned windows lol
[06:39] <_michael> except all the breaking was done before i even bought it
[06:39] <_michael> at redmond washington they pre-broke it :)
[06:39] <_michael> how kind of them!
[06:41] <jhealey> hello all, anyone running KDE 3.5 yet?
[06:41] <nalioth> jhealey: wait a few days, on it.
[06:42] <jhealey> yeah, whys that? bugs...
[06:42] <_aj> now that kde 3.5 is out does that mean kde 4 is next release?
[06:42] <kkathman> jhealey: just everything is being synched up
[06:42] <kkathman> alot of peeps jumped the gun
[06:43] <jhealey> i got it
[06:43] <jhealey> where is everyone from? I am in Texas
[06:43] <kkathman> Ditto
[06:43] <kkathman> Im in Texas too...Dallas area
[06:43] <jhealey> i'm in wylie texas, very near dallas
[06:44] <nalioth> lawsamercy, another Texan
[06:44] <sampan> berkeley california :)
[06:44] <kkathman> yes I have relatives that live there
[06:44] <kkathman> in Wylie that is
[06:44] <jhealey> kathman: nice
[06:44] <_michael> philadelphia, pa
[06:44] <jhealey> we like it here
[06:44] <Tm_T> _aj: no really, it's probably a year or omre before 4 comes out
[06:44] <jhealey> i used to live in boston
[06:44] <jhealey> too cold there
[06:44] <_michael> the city of beatings and bad football teams with cocky ass players
[06:44] <Tm_T> I'm from North Carelia
[06:44] <kkathman> quite a move for you then jhealey :)
[06:45] <_michael> cough* T.O. *cough*
[06:45] <kkathman> Tm_T: nice try
[06:45] <jhealey> yep that was a move
[06:45] <Tm_T> kkathman: I am
[06:45] <kkathman> Tm_T: if you are going to try to fake it..you have to spell it right (jk)
[06:45] <jhealey> carelyner?
[06:45] <kkathman> Tm_T: its North Carolina :)
[06:45] <Tm_T> kkathman: I mean't North Carelia
[06:46] <jhealey> i've become addicted to linux
[06:46] <kkathman> I know Tm_T Im kiddin ya...didnt you see my JK
[06:46] <Tm_T> no, I'm blind at mondays ;-P
[06:46] <Tm_T> uh, it's not monday...
[06:46] <jhealey> it is monday
[06:46] <Tm_T> I need some coffee
[06:47] <jhealey> isn't it?
[06:47] <Tm_T> a lot
[06:47] <kkathman> well its Tuesday night here
[06:47] <sampan> ditto
[06:47] <kkathman> welcome!
[06:47] <jhealey> thanks
[06:47] <kkathman> hehe
[06:47] <jhealey> i feel better already
[06:47] <kkathman> ROFL
[06:47] <jhealey> this means tomorrow is payday
[06:47] <Tm_T> wednesday here
[06:48] <kkathman> see how much better that is?
[06:48] <jhealey> yep.
[06:48] <Tm_T> you yankees are always late ;-P
[06:48] <jhealey> 12 more minutes to payday wwwooooo
[06:48] <jhealey> Tm, what else are we known to be late for?
[06:49] <jhealey> chugs Bud...
[06:49] <jhealey> i need a new job, will anyone hire me?
[06:49] <Tm_T> me
[06:49] <Tm_T> I need a slave
[06:50] <jhealey> i'll be veerrrry late for that Tm
[06:50] <jhealey> but wait, how much does it pay?
[06:50] <Tm_T> your life
[06:50] <Tm_T> clean and simple
[06:51] <jhealey> ok then.  
[06:51] <jhealey> <----needs new job
[06:51] <kkathman> whats your profession
[06:52] <jhealey> 2 professions, automotive technician, sys admin
[06:52] <kkathman> nice combo
[06:52] <jhealey> yeah, it would be nice to find a job that utilizes both
[06:53] <jhealey> what is your prof, kk, if you don't mind me asking
[06:54] <sfazruzs> hi guys..
[06:54] <sfazruzs> guys,i have one prob..
[06:55] <sfazruzs> i'm installing two OS in my PC,so,one is win xp n one is kubuntu,but now the option to choose has three...
[06:55] <sfazruzs> two same kubuntu and one win xp..
[06:56] <sfazruzs> how to delete the other one kubuntu?
[06:57] <jhealey> gotta go
[06:57] <jhealey> see you all later
[07:02] <Tm_T> breakfast ->
[07:09] <bur[n] er> anyone know how to get a "Computer" icon on the desktop in KDE that won't show up on my gnome desktop?
[07:10] <martinjh99> Morning!!
[07:10] <martinjh99> Trying to install KDE packages for building and I get this error...
[07:10] <martinjh99>   kdebase-dev: Depends: kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5-rc1) but it is not installable
[07:11] <merc> im having all sorts of problems apt-getting kubuntu-desktop for breezy.. :(
[07:53] <drumline> The networking component in KDE wont allow me accesss to change the interface properties
[08:00] <thebanana> anyone use kvpnc here?
[08:02] <thebanana> rather, what's the preferred method for connecting to a windoze vpn server?
[08:06] <carsten> How can I "unrar" stuff?
[08:06] <b0nn> isnt there a rar client for linux
[08:07] <viviersf> yes 
[08:07] <sampan> b0nn, the repos have unrar-free and unrar-nonfree
[08:07] <viviersf> sudo apt-get install unrar :)
[08:07] <viviersf> yep
[08:07] <b0nn> hmm I meant for CarstenP 
[08:08] <sampan> lol oh
[08:08] <sampan> carstenp  the repos have unrar-free and unrar-nonfree
[08:08] <sampan> :D
[08:08] <b0nn> lol
[08:08] <b0nn> that fix0red it :)
[08:08] <CarstenP> hehe
[08:08] <sampan> lol ... my bad -- flipping windows too much -- context, they say, is everything!
[08:08] <thebanana> anyone use kvpnc for pptp?
[08:08] <CarstenP> thanks, which is better? the free or nonfree version?
[08:09] <sampan> no idea ... never had to use either yet :/
[08:09] <CarstenP> disreagard that
[08:09] <b0nn> Ive only used unrar on slack
[08:09] <CarstenP> i found out, free can online <3.0 nonfree can >= 3.0
[08:09] <b0nn> ah cool
[08:10] <nalioth> unrar-nonfree works with all rar files
[08:10] <nalioth> unrar-free is "i think i can code it to work with rars"
[08:10] <b0nn> Ive just installed kubuntu .. how do I change the kde theme?
[08:10] <sampan> lol
[08:11] <sampan> b0nn  system settings -- appearance 
[08:12] <b0nn> d'oh
[08:12] <b0nn> I was looking at system settings desktop :\
[08:12] <sampan> if you need to install a premade theme, kdesu kcontrol --> appearance and themes
[08:13] <sampan> and there's a 'theme manager' section
[08:13] <b0nn> like keramik?
[08:14] <sampan> yeah -- that should be accessible through the system settings ... but there are downloadable themes on kde-look.org and such -- easier to install them in kcontrol iirc
[08:14] <b0nn> ah cool
[08:14] <b0nn> google did throw one or two of those at me.
[08:16] <b0nn> thats betterer :)
[08:18] <sampan> yeah -- gotta love how customizable kde is -- i need a ultra-plain desktop -- no icons, transparent panel with just a few icons -- all monochrome -- easy to set up with kde for tranquility ... or as Kramer would say: "serenity now!"
[08:19] <b0nn> the square look ...looks prehistoric
[08:19] <b0nn> I shake my head though when I see the .. make me look like windows option
[08:20] <drumline> so what's the scoop on KDE 3.5...  when will that arrive?
[08:20] <kkathman> drumline: wait a few days :)
[08:21] <drumline> kkathman: will it be like fireworks going off or something?   I'm new to linux so I don't know what to expect.
[08:22] <vito> Hi hi.. I need help with forcefully changing screen resolution .. I've tried editing the xorg.conf with no success.. anyone able to help ?
[08:22] <viviersf> hmmm
[08:22] <drumline> vito: you have a KVM?
[08:22] <viviersf> does any1 have an idea why my user doesnt read its correct bash settings ?
[08:22] <drumline> vivier: .bashrc or .profile?
[08:23] <vito> drumline what's KVM ?
[08:23] <drumline> vito: Keyboard/Video/Monitor switch
[08:23] <Hentai^XP> yeah um
[08:23] <vito> drumline : err.. sorry still don't really understand what u mean..
[08:23] <Hentai^XP> keyboard/vga/mouse be better
[08:23] <kkathman> drumline: if you are on breezy...just wait till you get an Adept notification to update :)
[08:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: eh
[08:23] <vito> drumline : is it a program ?
[08:24] <Hentai^XP> vito swtich between manys pcs using one monitor keyboard and mouse
[08:24] <Hentai^XP> vito no its a piece of Hardware
[08:24] <kkathman> kde3.5 is out, but its not completely synched up with everything yet :)
[08:24] <vito> oh.. in that case.. I don't have KVM
[08:24] <kkathman> Tm_T:  eh to you too :)
[08:24] <drumline> kkathman: are the KDE upgrades groundbreaking usually?  I don't know the gravity of them.
[08:24] <kkathman> drumline: this one, not really...when 4.0 comes out..presumably that will be
[08:25] <Tm_T> already is
[08:25] <kkathman> there are a few niceties
[08:25] <kkathman> Tm_T: shh
[08:26] <kkathman> and no Tm_T 4 is not out
[08:26] <kkathman> yet
[08:26] <Tm_T> btw Kopete 0.12 is getting more and more users(=testers)
[08:26] <kkathman> good
[08:26] <kkathman> it needs it
[08:26] <Tm_T> kkathman: no it's not, but it's already something different :p
[08:26] <kkathman> should only take them 6 years to fix the bugs in it
[08:26] <kkathman> Tm_T: yes I know
[08:26] <Tm_T> ;)
[08:27] <kkathman> but as releases go.. 3.5 isnt a biggie...some nice things..but not that earth shattering
[08:27] <Tm_T> true
[08:27] <kkathman> and its not synced in the repos yet (official ones)
[08:28] <Tm_T> small fixes and improvenments everywhere
[08:28] <kkathman> right
[08:28] <kkathman> 90% of the people probably wont know
[08:28] <kkathman> if you sat them side by side
[08:28] <Tm_T> though I don't know much about 3.5 apps, I use mostly dev versions =)
[08:29] <nalioth> Tm_T: you don't count, you cake stuffer
[08:29] <kkathman> I know...you are the vast exception to most of the people in here...so what you do, is quite different than them
[08:29] <Tm_T> true
[08:29] <Tm_T> I compile stuff just to see if they compile fine
[08:29] <kkathman> theres breezy, dapper, and Tm_T's version
[08:30] <Tm_T> haha
[08:30] <Tm_T> so yes, in that order ;)
[08:30] <kkathman> Tm_T:  is working on crazy crockodile or something
[08:30] <kkathman> or zany zebra
[08:31] <b0nn> that reminds me
[08:31] <b0nn> is there any name convention going on with ubuntu?
[08:31] <sampan> placating platypus?
[08:31] <b0nn> or is someone having fun
[08:31] <kkathman> they are having fun 
[08:31] <Tm_T> kkathman: you mean crazy crack deal?
[08:31] <vito> hi hi..
[08:31] <kkathman> no order really
[08:31] <kkathman> they just find something fun
[08:32] <vito> how can I tell which display driver I'm currently using
[08:32] <b0nn> orgasmic ostrich?
[08:32] <sampan> lol
[08:32] <kkathman> I like that one :)
[08:32] <Tm_T> eh
[08:32] <Tm_T> b0nn: you son of a!
[08:32] <b0nn> :)
[08:32] <Tm_T> now I wan't some Oyster Stout :(
[08:33] <sampan> mmmmm -- that reminds me of the guinness i have sitting in my fridge -- brb
[08:33] <Tm_T> hmm, or Guinness
[08:33] <kkathman> mmmmm Guinness :)
[08:33] <Tm_T> mmmm hard to get that stuff here
[08:34] <Tm_T> nah
[08:34] <kkathman> son likes it..so we got it
[08:34] <fatejudger> KDE 3.5!
[08:34] <kkathman> fatejudger: no!
[08:34] <fatejudger> YES!
[08:34] <kkathman> no1
[08:34] <kkathman> hehe
[08:34] <nalioth> the naming convention is alphabetically adjective animal
[08:34] <fatejudger> YES!!!111one
[08:34] <kkathman> nalioth: except for skipping around yeah
[08:35] <sampan> nalioth  but is there any pattern to which letter is chosen?
[08:35] <Tm_T> kkathman: hey, Linus drank Guinness when he was creating Linux ;)
[08:35] <kkathman> I dont recall the alphabet going w, h, b d
[08:35] <sampan> rheumatoid rhinocerous
[08:35] <Tm_T> kkathman: so get some Guinness ;)
[08:35] <kkathman> or, nalioth what crazy alphabet are you learning?
[08:35] <nalioth> kkathman: it has been decided that they are going in alphabetical order after dapper 
[08:36] <kkathman> ROFL
[08:36] <kkathman> well...kewlll
[08:36] <kkathman> eeerie elephant?
[08:36] <sampan> so E should be ... effortless eel ?
[08:36] <kkathman> fruity frog
[08:36] <kkathman> googly giraffe?
[08:36] <sampan> horny hippo
[08:36] <Tm_T> enormous enymology
[08:36] <Tm_T> ok
[08:36] <nalioth> stinky skunk (and we're way way off in -offtopic land)
[08:36] <Tm_T> true =)
[08:36] <kkathman> jackedup jackal ?
[08:37] <Tm_T> btw wtf is enymology =)
[08:37] <kkathman> kraaaazy kangaroo (to please our aussie friends)
[08:37] <fatejudger> sampan: lol
[08:37] <sampan> fatejudger  i actually kinda like it -- it has a certain "ring" to it :X
[08:38] <fatejudger> I don't really think the businesses would take too well to it
[08:38] <sampan> sadly, i must agree
[08:38] <fatejudger> lol
[08:38] <kkathman> Im dissappointed we miss the letter C
[08:38] <fatejudger> so does everyone have KDE 3.5 yet?
[08:38] <kkathman> fatejudger:  NO
[08:38] <kkathman> wait a few days
[08:38] <fatejudger> wtf?
[08:38] <fatejudger> why?
[08:38] <fatejudger> I'm installing it right now
[08:38] <kkathman> good luck
[08:38] <fatejudger> I always install stuff right away
[08:38] <fatejudger> Betas
[08:38] <kkathman> shrug
[08:38] <fatejudger> Release Candidates
[08:39] <fatejudger> especially Finals
[08:39] <fatejudger> what's wrong with Finals?
[08:39] <Tm_T> fatejudger: I've been using 3.5 for awhile I think
[08:39] <kkathman> betas = "please break my system" 
[08:39] <fatejudger> Tm_T: the Final just got released today
[08:39] <Tm_T> b1, b2, rc(s) ...
[08:39] <kkathman> yah but the libs, and the apps arent synched
[08:39] <fatejudger> kkathman: KDE 3.5 Beta wasn't the most bug free
[08:39] <fatejudger> kkathman: but nothing crashed
[08:39] <sampan> i'm the exact opposite -- once i get scim installed on this (hopefully this week), i'm not changing or updating it for anything :X
[08:39] <kkathman> yah I know :)
[08:39] <fatejudger> kkathman: except for arts that is...
[08:40] <fatejudger> I love the bleeding edge software
[08:40] <Tm_T> fatejudger: so? btw I got some final packages 2 days ago (I think)
[08:40] <kkathman> fatejudger: well I can tell you we've hade a bevvy of problems in here tonight
[08:40] <fatejudger> Tm_T: that's impossible
[08:40] <fatejudger> Tm_T: it was released today
[08:40] <kkathman> and most would have been ok, in a few days :)
[08:40] <kkathman> hehe
[08:40] <fatejudger> Tm_T: www.kde.org
[08:40] <Tm_T> fatejudger: and packages was made before, and someone have to test them
[08:40] <Tm_T> etc
[08:41] <fatejudger> ...
[08:41] <drumline> Anyone heard of Avast anti-virus?
[08:41] <fatejudger> Tm_T: yes, that's the RC1
[08:41] <fatejudger> drumline: why are you even talking about anti-virus programs in a Linux channel?
[08:41] <Tm_T> fatejudger: some of my packages are RC2
[08:41] <b0nn> do I need to constantly update my sources with adept, like I would with apt?
[08:41] <b0nn> or is that done automagically?
[08:41] <fatejudger> Tm_T: there is no RC2...
[08:41] <Tm_T> fatejudger: there is
[08:41] <kkathman> b0nn: nothing is automatic
[08:41] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I think you're confusing some stuff
[08:41] <drumline> fatejudger: because linux boxes can be servers for windows boxes can't they?
[08:42] <fatejudger> Tm_T: KDE never released them
[08:42] <Tm_T> fatejudger: not really :p
[08:42] <b0nn> cool :)
[08:42] <fatejudger> Tm_T: look on www.kde.org
[08:42] <Tm_T> fatejudger: I don't need to
[08:42] <drumline> fatejudger: besides, linux boxes aren't problem-free.  
[08:42] <Tm_T> I know what's released
[08:42] <kkathman> Tm_T:  knows all :::
[08:42] <fatejudger> drumline: I can count the number of Linux viruses on my fingers and toes
[08:43] <fatejudger> drumline: and I know none have ever spread further than a lab
[08:43] <kkathman> there are 3 that Norton even acknowledges :)
[08:43] <drumline> fatejudger: ok, but my original point stands  :)
[08:43] <kkathman> but I havent seen a Norton AV for LInux have you?
[08:43] <kkathman> hehe...which spells ...NO MARKET :)
[08:43] <drumline> Avast has a linux server...  
[08:44] <drumline> I'm wondering if it's any good
[08:44] <Tm_T> fatejudger: kappfinder/unknown uptodate 4:3.5-rc2-0ubuntu2
[08:44] <Tm_T> you see? ;)
[08:44] <Tm_T> btw
[08:44] <Tm_T> kdelibs/unknown uptodate 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu1
[08:46] <Tm_T> uh, have to set up kde4
[08:46] <kkathman> arghhh
[08:46] <fatejudger> Tm_T: oh no
[08:46] <fatejudger> Tm_T: not KDE 4
[08:46] <Tm_T> why not
[08:46] <fatejudger> Tm_T: that is increadibly unstable
[08:46] <WolfManz611> anyone have any idea why i'm getting a "conversation with su failed" message when i try to load things like adept up and anything else that requires su?
[08:46] <fatejudger> Tm_T: it's not ready for beta testing
[08:47] <Tm_T> fatejudger: and that's the only way to get kde4 devel environment
[08:47] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I know...
[08:47] <Tm_T> I'm not gonna use it
[08:47] <fatejudger> Tm_T: KDE 4 is going to be beautiful...
[08:47] <Tm_T> fatejudger: I know
[08:47] <Tm_T> fatejudger: count me as devel
[08:47] <fatejudger> Tm_T: it's going to make Vista look like a pile of dog shit
[08:47] <sampan> wolfmanz611  that sounds suspiciously like the administrator mode bug problem that i had ... i got that error too when i would try to change my clock -- try updating 
[08:47] <fatejudger> Tm_T: I wonder if those fantastic designers at KDE are worrying about such a comparision
[08:47] <fatejudger> Tm_T: and the expectations they have to live up to
[08:47] <Tm_T> fatejudger: I don't
[08:48] <fatejudger> Tm_T: yes well, you aren't doing the artwork
[08:48] <Tm_T> fatejudger: yes and no
[08:48] <Tm_T> kkathman: =)
[08:48] <kkathman> compiling I mean
[08:48] <WolfManz611> sapman i cant update the damn thing wont let me in to do that this is the second bug i have had to do with su 
[08:48] <kkathman> this could take a while
[08:48] <sampan> wolfman611, try running sudo adept from konsole instead of menu -- that worked for me
[08:49] <sampan> or sudo adept-updater  
[08:49] <Tm_T> kkathman: hah, I spent whole morning compiling koffice, kdepim, amarok etc etc =)
[08:49] <kkathman> you need to get out more Tm_T :)
[08:50] <kkathman> Tm_T:  dont the have women where you live?
[08:50] <b0nn> hehe
[08:50] <sampan> kkathman  nooooooooooo -- it's people like him that help produce this FOSS stuff -- let him spend his days compiling stuff on the bleeding edge!
[08:50] <Tm_T> kkathman: sadly no
[08:51] <kkathman> sampan:  I just want him to go outside a few hours a week ::)
[08:51] <kkathman> see the sun
[08:51] <kkathman> or the snow
[08:51] <b0nn> sun == evil
[08:51] <sampan> lol
[08:51] <kkathman> or whatever
[08:51] <Tm_T> sun?
[08:51] <Tm_T> what's that?
[08:51] <kkathman> yah I forgot
[08:51] <Tm_T> whee
[08:51] <b0nn> we have a heap of sun here .. its destroying the pasty complexion I have worked so damn hard at egtting
[08:51] <sampan> no sun for you! come back, one year!
[08:51] <kkathman> poor kid... married to a screen
[08:51] <Tm_T> anyway, kdepim up ->
[08:51] <fatejudger> well, I need to restart KDE to update
[08:51] <fatejudger> brb
[08:52] <kkathman> well Im going to bed...
[08:52] <kkathman> cyall tomorrow :)
[08:52] <sampan> night kkathman :)
[08:54] <WolfManz611> how do you load adept updater in the console?
[08:54] <sampan> wolfmanz611  you should be able to open console and type: sudo adept-updater  
[08:55] <WolfManz611> i'm up to date
[08:55] <sampan> do you have all the repositories enabled?
[08:55] <WolfManz611> ya
[08:56] <sampan> hrmmmm ... must be a different problem then -- sounds exactly like what i was experiencing ("conversation with su failed") a couple weeks ago
[08:57] <WolfManz611> you ever seen drive icons dissapear from the desktop after using adept updater?
[08:58] <sampan> no, but iirc someone else had that problem a while back too ... but i don't remember what (if anything) the fix was
[08:59] <WolfManz611> lol is the gnome version of unbuntu more stable then this?
[09:00] <nalioth> WolfManz611: what is "this" ?
[09:00] <sampan> i suppose that all depends -- for some people it is and for others kubuntu is and for some there's no appreciable difference
[09:01] <WolfManz611> this as in all these strange things i'm running into so far i have seen tow different SU bugs i have had icons on the desktop go missing and the clock forwhatever reason is sometimes setting it self ahead by about 4 hours and the time zone is set properly
[09:03] <sampan> weird i had clock issues at first with kubuntu too -- again, however, it got fixed with the updates that fixed the admin mode ... strange
[09:04] <WolfManz611> this is only the stuff i have noticed in the 1 days i have had this installed i dont wanna think about what i might notice a week from now lol
[09:05] <Tm_T> there's so much to do
[09:05] <Tm_T> but first, I do my best to get kdm :p
[09:08] <WolfManz611> sapman you running kde 3.5 or 3,4?
[09:09] <blocky> can someone tell me why my panel is dead
[09:09] <blocky> its just frozen over with wierd artifacting
[09:09] <blocky> when i do dcom kicker kicker restart it never returns or does anything
[09:09] <sampan> wolfmanz611  3.4.3 -- it's a pretty basic breezy install ubuntu, with kubuntu-desktop on top
[09:10] <WolfManz611> looks like kde 3.5 is out funny why i dont see that show up in the adept updater
[09:11] <artrok> hi all
[09:11] <sampan> wolfman, if i had to guess, i'd say somehow you're not connecting to the update repos and just not seeing the updates -- if you haven't updated previously, there should be a -bunch- of them to download and install if you just installed fresh yesterday or so
[09:12] <WolfManz611> i did update yesterday it did a bunch of downloading
[09:13] <raphink> good thing Jabber networks support MSN when Kopete can't connect to MSN anymore
[09:13] <sampan> k, then you -should- be good -- and i have no idea why you'd still be getting those old bugs -- i had them all too, but updates fixed them all
[09:13] <artrok> Q: i have a mouse with mousewheel and 2 extra-buttons (intellimouse explorer). how can i use and configure these extra-buttons?
[09:14] <raphink> with imwheel I think artrok 
[09:14] <raphink> [2005-11-30 01:03]  <now3d> so I guess I cannot get working email on kubuntu now..
[09:14] <artrok> where can i get that
[09:14] <raphink> [2005-11-30 01:03]  <now3d> so I guess I cannot get working email on kubuntu now..
[09:14] <raphink> artrok:  I think that might help
[09:14] <raphink> [2005-11-30 01:03]  <now3d> so I guess I cannot get working email on kubuntu now..
[09:14] <raphink> argh greee
[09:15] <raphink> http://imwheel.sourceforge.net/
[09:15] <sampan> it's in the repos too
[09:15] <raphink> sorry I'm not fully awake LOL
[09:15] <raphink> yes
[09:15] <sampan> apt-cache search imwheel --> imwheel - Program to support non-standard buttons on new mice
[09:15] <raphink> but the website is useful on how to set it once installed
[09:15] <raphink> so `sudo apt-get install imwheel'
[09:16] <sampan> then surfage
[09:16] <raphink> and then get to the page to see how to set it
[09:22] <jbueler> Ok I am brand new to Linux, brand new to IRC and really want to learn how to install applicationscan someone help me...
[09:23] <blocky> is there a way to force the kicker/panel to restart?
[09:23] <_root> i headed ubuntu apt error
[09:24] <noary>  i 
[09:24] <raphink> blocky: killall kicker && kicker &
[09:25] <Tm_T> dcop kicker kicker restart or so
[09:25] <noary> i have question??
[09:25] <raphink> that's another way ;)
[09:25] <blocky> Tm_T, i tried that but it doesnt do anything
[09:25] <Tm_T> cleaner one ;)
[09:25] <blocky> just hangs
[09:25] <raphink> I don't know that noary... I think you are the only one knowing if you have a question...
[09:25] <jbueler> I downloaded a file from firefox------  http://ftp.mozilla...b-installer.tar.gz  how do I use this to install the browser
[09:25] <Tm_T> blocky: oh
[09:25] <noary> i don't understand remastering ubuntu install cd .
[09:26] <raphink> jbueler: you don't need to download files to install stuff on linux
[09:26] <blocky> killall -9 kicker did it
[09:26] <blocky> thanks
[09:26] <jbueler> hmmm
[09:26] <raphink> do you know how to use adept jbueler ?
[09:26] <jbueler> no
[09:26] <jbueler> sorry
[09:26] <raphink> jbueler: open adept from your Kmenu
[09:27] <jbueler> ok
[09:27] <jbueler> its opening
[09:27] <raphink> opened?
[09:27] <raphink> ok
[09:28] <raphink> this tool will let you install about whatever program you want in two clicks
[09:28] <raphink> once set properly ;)
[09:28] <jbueler> ok hang on it was launching and then nothing...
[09:28] <jbueler> i feel retared
[09:29] <raphink> hmm
[09:29] <jbueler> I'm switching from windows
[09:29] <raphink> did it ask for your password?
[09:29] <jbueler> there it goes
[09:29] <raphink> ok
[09:29] <raphink> good
[09:29] <raphink> (we all switched from something else one day ;))
[09:30] <jbueler> ok so its up and running
[09:30] <raphink> ok
[09:30] <raphink> I guess you haven't enabled universe and multiverse yet?
[09:30] <jbueler> nope
[09:30] <raphink> ok then
[09:30] <raphink> Go to the Adept menu -> Manage repositories
[09:31] <jbueler> check
[09:31] <Tm_T> I just found out one lovely thing
[09:31] <Tm_T> apt-get source -b <package>
[09:31] <raphink> that opens a window that lists the repositories (i.e. the machines where programs are stored) chosen for your system
[09:32] <raphink> Tm_T: yes
[09:32] <raphink> Tm_T: you might look at apt-build too, or at my demerge tool ;)
[09:32] <raphink> but indeed apt-get source is very useful ;) I use it several times a day
[09:32] <raphink> jbueler: still there?
[09:33] <raphink> Tm_T: while you're there, would you like to try a package?
[09:33] <jbueler> yeah I was lookin at that
[09:33] <raphink> jbueler: ok
[09:33] <noary> raphink:i want create  own repository .How To
[09:34] <raphink> jbueler: once you are in Adept->Manage repository, uncomment the lines with `universe' and `multiverse' using the uncomment button
[09:34] <raphink> noary: do you want a small repo or a big one?
[09:34] <jbueler> ok I'll do that now
[09:34] <raphink> noary: would a trash repo like this http://raphink.free.fr/packages/ be enough for you?
[09:34] <raphink> s/trash/trashy/
[09:35] <raphink> jbueler: tell me when you're done
[09:35] <noary> raphink: what is difference small or big
[09:35] <Tm_T> raphink: ok, what
[09:36] <raphink> noary: my repo is a small and basic one. I choose a root to my repo and then generated a Packages.gz and Sources.gz files
[09:36] <Tm_T> raphink: what packages I should try?
[09:36] <raphink> noary: but a big repo includes pool/, main/, etc. and makes a difference between distros
[09:36] <raphink> Tm_T: a new package I've done yesterday, called kubuntu-grub-splashimages
[09:36] <Tm_T> ok, breezy one?
[09:36] <raphink> that installs kubuntu-specific splashimages for grub
[09:36] <raphink> interested in trying it ou?
[09:36] <raphink> out
[09:37] <raphink> hmm whatever
[09:37] <raphink> it's cross-distro, although it's built for dapper
[09:37] <Tm_T> well, I'm in dapper, but I can try to install it ;)
[09:37] <raphink> but it'll install on breezy without a pb
[09:37] <raphink> Tm_T: as I said it's built for dapper :p
[09:37] <noary> raphink: i  want big.HowTo
[09:37] <jbueler> then do I commit changes?
[09:37] <raphink> hehe
[09:37] <raphink> all my packages are built for dapper
[09:37] <Tm_T> raphink: ok, hit me with url
[09:37] <raphink> jbueler: yep
[09:37] <raphink> Tm_T: http://raphink.free.fr/packages/
[09:37] <Tm_T> ah, repository :o
[09:38] <raphink> Tm_T: or you can add it to your sources.list :
[09:38] <raphink> deb http://raphink.free.fr/packages ./
[09:38] <Tm_T> will do
[09:38] <raphink> and deb-src sameurl ;)
[09:38] <raphink> noary: google for it
[09:38] <noary> keyword
[09:38] <raphink> noary: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html
[09:38] <raphink> noary: `debian repository build'
[09:39] <raphink> apt-ftparchive is what you want I think noary 
[09:39] <raphink> now noary why is it that you want to build a repo?
[09:39] <raphink> jbueler: done?
[09:39] <jbueler> yeah I do the same with the multiverse
[09:39] <Tm_T> E: Couldn't find package kubuntu-grub-splashimages
[09:40] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:40] <raphink> oh yeah
[09:40] <raphink> lol
[09:40] <raphink> sorry I have not generated the Packages.gz and Sources.gz yesterday
[09:40] <raphink> I'll do that now, wait a min Tm_T 
[09:40] <Tm_T> sure
[09:40] <Tm_T> uh, kdm installed
[09:41] <jbueler> raphink: k finished with that...
[09:41] <raphink> good jbueler 
[09:41] <raphink> then close this setting window, and run the Fetch updates buttons
[09:41] <noary> raphink: i want study  build repository .
[09:41] <raphink> that will update the list of available packages for your system
[09:41] <raphink> do you have packages of your own noary ?
[09:43] <noary> raphink: i have package.
[09:43] <jbueler> raphink: ok looks like that is done...thanks for your help by the way...
[09:43] <raphink> jbueler: then you can search for packages, select them for install, and click apply ;)
[09:43] <raphink> ;)
[09:43] <raphink> for example, search for firefox ;)
[09:43] <noary> raphink: you have excample.
[09:44] <jbueler> wow thats great...
[09:44] <jbueler> one step closer...
[09:46] <raphink> jbueler: with universe and multiverse activated, you have about 20000 packages available from adept
[09:46] <noary> raphink: you have example easy. i read apt-move and i test but i don't understand .
[09:47] <raphink> noary: my easy example is my repo
[09:47] <dbglt> hello
[09:47] <raphink> I use a very simple repo
[09:47] <berkes> morning folks
[09:47] <jbueler> raphink: yeah I found some to update my iPod this is fricken great
[09:47] <dbglt> is there a help file or such which easily states how I can copy over/use windows fonts on my ubuntu install?
[09:47] <raphink> putting everything in a folder and creating {Packages,Sources}.gz
[09:47] <dbglt> I have MS Windows installed on another partition: I would like to use the font sets within Ubuntu, and Kde
[09:47] <raphink> jbueler: welcome to the Linux world ;)
[09:48] <raphink> dbglt: in kcontrol and systemsettings, you can import M$ fonts
[09:48] <berkes> my life-juice, my Greatest Love, My Saviour (KMail) keeps crashing since I upgraded to 3.5 
[09:48] <noary> raphink:small repository HowTo. because i want create repository on cd offline.
[09:48] <berkes> is that a known issue?
[09:48] <jbueler> umm its sweet now I'm gonna get my second monitor working...
[09:48] <jbueler> thanks for your help!
[09:48] <dbglt> raphink: if I would like to use it in other applications, however? GTK for example?
[09:48] <raphink> you're welcome
[09:48] <artrok> i have only found programs to use the mouse WHEEL, but not to use the extra buttons(not the wheel button). can some1 help me?
[09:49] <raphink> should work dbglt 
[09:49] <dbglt> I remember there was a kde option in which kde colours/fonts etc. could be applied to GTK applications
[09:49] <dbglt> ok
[09:49] <berkes> artnay: the button should work out of the box
[09:49] <dbglt> does that option still exist?
[09:49] <berkes> sorry, that was for artrok
[09:49] <raphink> Tm_T: my repo is fine now. run update 
[09:49] <Tm_T> raphink: ok, will do
[09:50] <raphink> noary: do you have your packages in a folder alltogether?
[09:50] <artrok> berkes: the 2 normal buttons and the mouse wheel work, but i have intellimouse explorer with 2 normal buttons +mousewheel +2 extra sidebuttons
[09:50] <Tm_T> raphink: ok, seems to install just fine...
[09:50] <artrok> berkes: how can i configure these?
[09:50] <raphink> artrok: imwheel is not to use the wheel only I believe. I allows you to use additional buttons
[09:50] <raphink> Tm_T: :)
[09:51] <noary> raphink: yes i have package  . name folder debian.
[09:51] <raphink> noary: good
[09:51] <raphink> noary: then cd to this folder
[09:51] <raphink> then run
[09:51] <Tm_T> raphink: ...you're not expecting me to reboot?!
[09:51] <raphink> dpkg-scanpackages ./ /dev/null | gzip -9 > Packages.gz
[09:51] <raphink> and
[09:51] <raphink> dpkg-scansources ./ /dev/null | gzip -9 > Sources.gz
[09:51] <raphink> and you'll have your repo :p
[09:52] <berkes> artrok: dunno. Sorry.
[09:52] <raphink> Tm_T: well if you want to see if that works, that's better ;) it's up to you
[09:52] <Tm_T> artrok: whats the problem?
[09:52] <berkes> anyone else here experiencing crashes with kmail after 3.5 upgrade?
[09:52] <Tm_T> raphink: I will reboot soon, got kdm \o/
[09:52] <raphink> hehe
[09:52] <raphink> :)
[09:52] <Tm_T> dapper <3
[09:52] <raphink> I compiled kdm lately, without the kubuntu-default-settings dependency
[09:53] <Tm_T> heh
[09:53] <raphink> took me 2 hours since I had to build the whole kdebase to get only the kdm package
[09:53] <Tm_T> haha
[09:53] <Tm_T> easier just to build lipstik :p
[09:53] <noary> raphink: sucess or not sucess
[09:53] <raphink> hmm yeah that's an option Tm_T 
[09:53] <raphink> but I don't use lipstik
[09:54] <raphink> noary: ??
[09:54] <noary> raphink: i edit source.list .HOW TO
[09:54] <Tm_T> raphink: me neither
[09:54] <raphink> noary: if you want to try it, you can add :
[09:54] <raphink> deb file:///path/to/your/debian/folder/ ./
[09:54] <raphink> and then run update
[09:55] <Tm_T> raphink: /me is using tiblit and forky (flatknifty mod of mine)
[09:55] <raphink> or use ftp or http if your folder is on a server
[09:55] <rob_> i installed kde tv, but my tv card isnt listed in the application
[09:55] <raphink> Tm_T: I use baghira ;)
[09:55] <rob_> only the nvidia card is listed
[09:55] <raphink> and I had to compile it too, it wouldn't install
[09:55] <Tm_T> yuuuk
[09:55] <berkes> *** KMail got signal 11 (Crashing)
[09:55] <berkes> KCrash: Application 'kmail' crashing...
[09:55] <dbglt> ok
[09:55] <dbglt> I tried to installed synaptic
[09:55] <dbglt> apt-get install synaptic
[09:55] <raphink> dbglt: you don't like adept?
[09:55] <dbglt> raphink: adept stinks :(
[09:55] <Tm_T> raphink: baghira is ok, but it's heavy to eyes..
[09:56] <noary> raphink:if i want write is cd . i write folder debian into cd . yes or no
[09:56] <Tm_T> ok, rebooting ->
[09:56] <artrok> Tm_T: i have intellimouse explorer: 2normal buttons+ mousewheel +2 additional side buttons: how can i configure these (ex. sidebutton1: close window)?
[09:56] <dbglt> I find it very confusing and difficult to use
[09:56] <dbglt> and not very easy to navigate
[09:56] <dbglt> I want to try synaptic
[09:56] <dbglt> but I'm fine with the command line
[09:56] <raphink> dbglt: did you try kynaptic & kpackage ?
[09:56] <dbglt> I just want a GUI to hold my hand, while I learn the apt system
[09:56] <dbglt> raphink: no
[09:57] <raphink> kpackage is pretty good imo
[09:57] <raphink> a bit slow but it's fine
[09:57] <berkes> I have straced a krash of kmail. Anyone care to help me? 
[09:57] <raphink> kynaptic is a bit like synaptic, it's for kde, but it's not as powerful as synaptic at all
[09:58] <raphink> did you report the crash berkes ?
[09:58] <raphink> did you first google for it?
[09:58] <berkes> raphink: its "just an ordinary crash"
[09:59] <raphink> while doing what berkes ?
[09:59] <berkes> raphink: googling for kmil crash returns loads of issues :)
[09:59] <berkes> raphink: that is what i watn to find in my strace, raphink
[09:59] <raphink> I guess berkes 
[09:59] <raphink> what were you doing when it crashed berkes, and can you reproduce it?
[09:59] <raphink> I cna't read a crash trace of kmail berkes 
[10:00] <berkes> raphink: reproducing: just run my kmail for a few mins
[10:00] <raphink> send it to the kmail devs
[10:00] <raphink> they'll understand the trace, hopefully
[10:00] <berkes> raphink: kay
[10:00] <noary> raphink: ubuntu repository with debian reposity  different.
[10:00] <raphink> berkes: you don't click on anything or do something special to crash it?
[10:00] <berkes> not that I am aware of, no
[10:00] <berkes> raphink: i have got a feeling it is my filters
[10:00] <raphink> noary: can you be clearer and make sentences with `subject verb complement' please ?
[10:00] <raphink> berkes: might b"e
[10:01] <dbglt> does apt-get uninstall work?
[10:01] <dbglt> and does it remove dependencies?
[10:01] <dbglt> ah
[10:01] <dbglt> remove
[10:01] <raphink> I don't know that
[10:02] <raphink> yes remove
[10:02] <noary> raphink: sorry  , i 'm  thai.
[10:02] <raphink> and no command will remove dependencies that I know
[10:02] <dbglt> ack
[10:02] <dbglt> that sucks
[10:02] <dbglt> is there a record kept of dependencies?
[10:02] <raphink> well maybe aptitude will
[10:02] <dbglt> or what was installed?
[10:02] <raphink> noary: that's ok, and I'm not an english native either
[10:02] <dbglt> so I can remove them all
[10:02] <raphink> dbglt: if you remove all dependencies, you'll end up with an empty system :p
[10:02] <dbglt> raphink: the ones that were installed when I did the apt-get, that is
[10:03] <noary> raphink: where are you  from?
[10:03] <raphink> dbglt: let's say you want to remove all dependencies for amarok -> you'll remove all kde and more
[10:03] <raphink> noary: France
[10:03] <berkes> what file are my filters stored in?
[10:03] <dbglt> raphink: no no, is there an installation log, for example?
[10:03] <berkes> kmail filters, i meanfiles
[10:03] <dbglt> raphink: so I can see which dependencies came with synaptic install
[10:03] <raphink> dbglt: the dependencies system is one-way. You can't easily go backwards
[10:04] <dbglt> raphink: I know. That's why I'm looking for an installation log
[10:04] <dbglt> raphink: so I can see what I installed, and remove it manually
[10:04] <noary> raphink: thank you very much.
[10:04] <raphink> dbglt: there are commands to see the dependencies of a package
[10:04] <dbglt> raphink: do tell? :)
[10:04] <raphink> look at the apt-get manual
[10:04] <dbglt> ah
[10:04] <raphink> man apt-get
[10:04] <dbglt> I don't want *all* deps
[10:04] <raphink> noary: now can you try to explain to me again what is wrong with the repo thing?
[10:05] <dbglt> just the ones I installed with the command "apt-get install synaptic", so I figured if a log would be kept, it would be easier
[10:05] <dbglt> it must, but I don't know where
[10:05] <raphink> dbglt: dpkg might do it too
[10:05] <raphink> and there's a plan to include that feature (listing dependencies) in adept
[10:05] <raphink> dbglt: you might also want to look at deborphan
[10:05] <dbglt> raphink: can't seem to find anything in the man page
[10:05] <dbglt> only build-dep, relating to source packages
[10:05] <raphink> that lists all the library packages on which no installed package depends anymore
[10:06] <dbglt> raphink: emerge much easier :P
[10:07] <raphink> ok
[10:08] <noary> raphink: if i wish  add package on cd . and  use cd install . not connect internet .process same or diff from small repository.
[10:08] <raphink> noary: well you can do that as I told you
[10:09] <raphink> dbglt: http://lists.debian.org/debian-dpkg/1998/11/msg00015.html
[10:10] <robotgeek> noary: there's a aptmove howto on the wiki
[10:10] <Tm_T> haha
[10:10] <aburlet> am I the only one to have problems unlocking my screen with kde 3.5 under breezy ?
[10:10] <dbglt> raphink: aye nice, but yeah, as I thought, it lists all dependancies
[10:10] <Tm_T> raphink: ok, now grub is borked ;)
[10:10] <dbglt> I can't remember which I just installed :|
[10:11] <raphink> dbglt: use `dpkg --status $package | grep "^Depends" '
[10:11] <raphink> Tm_T: ?
[10:11] <dbglt> raphink: aye, just found that
[10:11] <dbglt> still lists all though :)
[10:11] <raphink> aburlet: I had that too
[10:11] <Tm_T> raphink: yup, I'll try if replacing menu.lst with old one fixes it
[10:12] <raphink> Tm_T: can you paste your menu.lst in a pastebin and tell me what got wrong?
[10:12] <aburlet> raphink, did you solve the problem ?
[10:12] <raphink> so I can try to understand why
[10:12] <raphink> aburlet: no
[10:12] <aburlet> oh :(
[10:12] <raphink> and I'm not on breezy anymore, so
[10:13] <raphink> Tm_T: worked on me and others, so that's weird
[10:13] <Tm_T> heh
[10:13] <aburlet> raphink, dapper ?
[10:13] <raphink> yep aburlet 
[10:13] <Tm_T> raphink: I'll try get this working, then will show it
[10:14] <raphink> Tm_T: better yet, if you can report to my email : raphink[at] gmail[dot] com
[10:15] <raphink> :)
[10:16] <raphink> sorry it crashed your grub though :(
[10:17] <noary> raphink:  ?
[10:17] <raphink> yep?
[10:18] <aburlet> raphink, FYI, https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20071
[10:18] <usov> QUESTION! Does anybody know how to make KDE show cyrillic fonts in file names?
[10:19] <raphink> usov: did you install the russian support in KDE ?
[10:20] <raphink> ok aburlet thanks but I don't have this pb anymore
[10:20] <usov> yes, so kde interface is in russian but still I can not see russian filenames
[10:21] <aburlet> raphink, I know ... that was just FYI!
[10:21] <raphink> FYI?
[10:21] <raphink> oh ok
[10:21] <aburlet> For Your Information
[10:21] <raphink> thanks
[10:21] <raphink> yes :)
[10:21] <dbglt> ok adding the fonts via kcontrol
[10:21] <dbglt> doesn't work
[10:21] <dbglt> have to modify xorg.conf, I guess
[10:21] <Riddell> usov: cyrillic filenames work for me
[10:21] <Riddell> in konqueror
[10:22] <usov> you mean on webpages?
[10:22] <dbglt> what is the deault path/filename of the xorg server configuration in latest kubuntu?
[10:22] <raphink> same Riddell 
[10:22] <Tm_T> raphink: ok, trying if I get this working now ->
[10:22] <raphink> yep
[10:22] <raphink> ok Tm_T :)
[10:22] <dbglt> nm
[10:23] <raphink> but I'd enjoy it if you could send me your original and modified menu.lst to see what happened
[10:23] <Riddell> usov: no, filenames
[10:23] <Riddell> in file manager mode
[10:23] <usov> so how you did it?
[10:24] <Riddell> usov: I renamed a file to include cyrillic characters and it works
[10:25] <Tm_T> raphink: ok, so you wan't mail? sending ;)
[10:26] <usov> msg nickserv register <your-password>
[10:28] <raphink>  
[10:28] <raphink> pffI hate to find characters on other keyboards
[10:28] <raphink> lol
[10:28] <raphink> thanks Tm_T 
[10:29] <raphink> huhu
[10:31] <raphink> hmm
[10:31] <raphink> did get anything yet Tm_T what did you send it to?
[10:32] <noary> raphink:problem apt-get error.
[10:33] <raphink> what does it say noary ?
[10:33] <raphink> paste it in a pastebin
[10:33] <raphink> hi Hobbsee 
[10:33] <Hobbsee> hey raphink 
[10:33] <noary> raphink: i have problem apt error . when i use command apt-get update
[10:33] <eriksti> what can I use to install windows wireless drivers?  I installed ndiswrapper_util and ndisgtk but not getting any further
[10:33] <raphink> :)
[10:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol Hobbsee_away
[10:34] <raphink> noary: yeah I understood that, paste the error into a pastebin
[10:34] <eriksti> K->Settings->Wireless drivers and nothing happens
[10:34] <Hobbsee_away> Kamping_Kaiser: i'm coming back!
[10:34] <Hobbsee_away> soon
[10:34] <Hobbsee_away> just gotta do dishes
[10:34] <raphink> Tm_T: got nothing :(
[10:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> woot . later then mate ;)
[10:35] <mornfall> dishes suck
[10:35] <raphink> yes
[10:36] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey mornfall :)
[10:37] <Tm_T> raphink: haven't sent it yet, starting apps and cleaning house ;)
[10:37] <Tm_T> raphink: in any minute now
[10:37] <raphink> oh ok :)
[10:43] <Tm_T> raphink: sent
[10:43] <raphink> ok thanks
[10:43] <Tm_T> np
[10:43] <Tm_T> was sort of fun :p
[10:45] <raphink> Tm_T: can you tell me the output of `df -h /boot' ?
[10:46] <raphink> please ;)
[10:48] <raphink> Tm_T: because I know the pb lies, but I don't know how it was generated ;)
[10:48] <raphink> *I know _where_ the pb lies
[10:49] <raphink> Tm_T: btw, apt-get remove kubuntu-grub-splashimages should have solved the pb ;)
[10:49] <raphink> (removing the splashimage)
[10:50] <raphink> ok well
[10:51] <raphink> Tm_T: paste me your `df -h /boot' when you get back ;)
[10:51] <Tm_T> yes sir
[10:51] <raphink> :)
[10:51] <Tm_T> /dev/hdc1   20G   10G  8.4G  55% /
[10:51] <raphink> hmm
[10:52] <raphink> I don't get it o_O
[10:52] <Tm_T> :p
[10:52] <raphink> your menu.lst says that your Ubuntu system is on (hd0,0)
[10:52] <Tm_T> err, that borked one says
[10:52] <Tm_T> or what
[10:52] <raphink> yet df -h pretends your / is on /dev/hdc1, so (hd2,0)
[10:53] <raphink> that's where the pb comes from
[10:53] <raphink> that's not normal I'd say ;)
[10:53] <raphink> hmm
[10:53] <raphink> Tm_T: `grep / /etc/fstab' please :)
[10:54] <raphink> hmm sorry that's too long
[10:54] <raphink> LOL
[10:54] <raphink> Tm_T: `grep /dev/hdc1 /etc/fstab' please :)
[10:54] <Tm_T> /dev/hdc1  /  ext3  defaults,errors=remount-ro 0  1
[10:54] <Tm_T> and hda is cdrom
[10:54] <raphink> hmmmmmmmm
[10:55] <raphink> that's weird ...
[10:55] <raphink> so hda is recognized as cdrom
[10:55] <raphink> but hdc is named hd0 by grub
[10:55] <raphink> :S
[10:55] <Tm_T> so?
[10:55] <Tm_T> it works :p
[10:55] <raphink> well usually hda is hd0
[10:55] <raphink> and hdc is hd2
[10:56] <raphink> well it works for the system
[10:56] <raphink> but I'd like to know, that given, how I'm supposed to program my install script so it knows that your /boot is on hd0,0 although it's on hdc1
[10:56] <raphink> you see?
[10:56] <Tm_T> true
[10:57] <raphink> I programmed my install script basing myself on the fact that hda1 -> (hd0,0) and hdc3 -> (hd2,2) etc.
[10:57] <Tm_T> rely on old menu.lst?
[10:57] <raphink> just converting this way
[10:57] <raphink> and it seems to not work
[10:57] <raphink> hmm Tm_T no I can't
[10:57] <Tm_T> true
[10:58] <raphink> because some people have a separate /boot
[10:58] <raphink> which is where the splashimages will be put
[10:58] <Tm_T> ok
[10:59] <raphink> hmm
[10:59] <raphink> I have to search for a tool that will give me the (hdx,x) location of /boot
[11:00] <raphink> well I'll see about that
[11:00] <Tm_T> yu
[11:01] <raphink> on a "normal" system with hda1 being (hd0,0), it should work :p
[11:01] <raphink> Tm_T: now if you want the splashimage anyway, you can put (hd0,0) in your menu.lst where the script has written (hd2,0)
[11:01] <raphink> that'll work
[11:01] <raphink> I'll bb
[11:02] <eriksti> can anyone give me directions how to install this wireless: Network controller: Intel Corp. PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev 05)
[11:03] <crimsun> eriksti: it's already supported via ipw2200.ko
[11:04] <eriksti> crimsun: so how do I get started with this thing?
[11:04] <oracel> eriksti, you will need to update the firmware if you need to use wpa
[11:04] <Tm_T> fiufau ->
[11:05] <eriksti> oracel: and how do I do that?
[11:05] <oracel> hmm..
[11:05] <oracel> there's a good thread about this in the forums
[11:05] <eriksti> I'm so sick of this thing .. Ive had it for a year and never been able to connect
[11:05] <oracel> are you going to use wpa?
[11:06] <crimsun> eriksti: can you connect to an open AP?
[11:06] <eriksti> don't even know what AP is :)
[11:06] <oracel> access point
[11:07] <eriksti> I'll read this thread before I bug you more guys.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=266065
[11:08] <oracel> good idea
[11:32] <BigKahuna> how to automatically mount USB thumb drive?
[11:33] <raphink> Tm_T: can you paste your `grep hdc /boot/grub/device.map' please ?
[11:33] <raphink> BigKahuna: it does mount automatically without setting anything BigKahuna 
[11:34] <BigKahuna> "An error occurred while loading media:/sda1:"
[11:35] <Tm_T> raphink: sure
[11:35] <BigKahuna> "The file or folder media:/sda1 does not exist."
[11:35] <Tm_T> (hd0)   /dev/hdc
[11:35] <raphink> thanks much
[11:35] <BigKahuna> thats the error I get in Konqi after connecting device
[11:35] <raphink> that'll help
[11:35] <raphink> did you modify your /etc/fstab BigKahuna ?
[11:35] <BigKahuna> raphink, No.
[11:36] <raphink> is it fat16?
[11:36] <BigKahuna> actually yes I think it could be.
[11:36] <raphink> ok other people had that pb with fat16
[11:36] <BigKahuna> It's a very old creative Mp3 player.
[11:36] <raphink> and I don't remember if that was solved
[11:37] <raphink> ic
[11:37] <raphink> try to google for fat16 ubuntu
[11:38] <Hobbsee> has anyone upgraded from firefox 1.5 rc1 or 2 to the latest firefox, via incremental updates here?
[11:38] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[11:38] <ubotu> methinks firefox1.5 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[11:44] <martinjh99> Morning - Upgraded to 3.5 this morning and when I come to install compilation packages for kde I get the following:
[11:44] <martinjh99> kdebase-dev: Depends: kdelibs4-dev (>= 4:3.5-rc1) but it is not installable
[11:44] <martinjh99> Command line
[11:45] <martinjh99> aptitude install x-dev libxext-dev kdebase-dev build-essential libice-dev
[11:45] <phimic> good morning all
[11:45] <raphink> Tm_T: are you there?
[11:46] <phimic> i have problems with lineak
[11:46] <phimic> it segfaults and strace give back open("/usr/lib/X11/locale/locale.dir", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT
[11:46] <Hobbsee> martinjh99: try sudo apt-get install kdelibs4-dev - why's it not installable?
[11:47] <raphink> Tm_T: I'm sending you a small script, can you run it and give me the output please ?
[11:47] <raphink> (I think I'm done just want to be sure)
[11:47] <Tm_T> raphink: doh?
[11:47] <martinjh99> Hobbsee That seems to work - It pulls in all the other dependant packages!  Thanks!
[11:47] <Tm_T> mail?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> martinjh99: :)
[11:48] <raphink> Tm_T: dcc
[11:48] <raphink> unless you want it by email
[11:48] <dennis_p> When opening a konqueror window in kde 3.5 it does not automatically have typing focus in the url bar, must click with mouse. sollutions?
[11:48] <martinjh99> No worries..
[11:48] <Tm_T> raphink: mail, this client isn't in my pc
[11:48] <raphink> nm I'll send by mail ;)
[11:48] <raphink> ok
[11:49] <raphink> Tm_T: sent
[11:52] <raphink> did you get it Tm_T ?
[11:52] <Tm_T> yes
[11:52] <Tm_T> try it
[11:53] <raphink> ok
[11:53] <Tm_T> (hd0,0)
[11:53] <Tm_T> :)
[11:53] <raphink> just run ./grub_test
[11:53] <Tm_T> good enough?
[11:53] <raphink> where you saved it
[11:53] <Tm_T> yes, I know ;)
[11:53] <raphink> ok good :)
[11:53] <raphink> hehe
[11:53] <raphink> that works :)
[11:53] <raphink> yep perfect
[11:53] <Tm_T> I'm sort of script wizard myself
[11:54] <raphink> haha
[11:54] <raphink> ;)
[11:54] <Tm_T> have skripts from getting local temp from website to updating and compiling and installing svn stuff :p
[11:56] <raphink> hehe :)
[11:57] <Tm_T> all you need is bash and sed ;)
[11:59] <raphink> hmm 
[11:59] <raphink> how do I test if a file exists again?
[11:59] <raphink> if [ -z ]  doesn't do it?
[11:59] <incubii> if [ -e ]  ?
[12:00] <raphink> hmm ok
[12:00] <raphink> thanks
[12:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> and -f
[12:00] <raphink> ok thanks
[12:00] <raphink> so -ef
[12:00] <bartek> helo
[12:01] <bartek> can someone help me?
[12:01] <raphink> thanks much
[12:02] <bartek> how can i change permissions to windows partitions in kubuntu? it is only for root user....
[12:03] <Hobbsee> bartek: chown
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> er. wait
[12:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> fstab, add the 'umask=0222' option (iirc)
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> *dont* chown/chroot Windows partitions
[12:04] <Hobbsee> ah, you cant do that?
[12:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> write to ntfs? bhahaha
[12:04] <Hobbsee> it's in !mount anyway
[12:04] <Hobbsee> !mount
[12:04] <ubotu> rumour has it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[12:04] <Hobbsee> yeah, i'd not try that one, but i do read from it
[12:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> to chown/chmod you write to it
[12:05] <Hobbsee> ah ok... i see...
[12:06] <buz> how comes that the import mail menu entry is grayed out in kmail kde3.5
[12:07] <bartek> umask don't work
[12:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> buz: you have no email marked important?
[12:07] <buz> i have no mail at all right now
[12:08] <buz> i'm trying to import from thunderbird
[12:08] <raphink> :)
[12:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> bartek: check the wiki page for ntfs mounts, or the help files, i don't have any too check agianst
[12:09] <monad> hi... i convinced a friend to install kubuntu on her laptop, nevertheless she wants (needs?) to keep her windows install. i never installed a dual-boot system, since i run linux exclusively - what do i have to watch out for?
[12:09] <buz> dont delete the windows partition
[12:09] <Hobbsee> monad: not to reinstall windows, and expect the computer to boot without some work...
[12:09] <monad> buz: that's all?
[12:09] <Hobbsee> bartek: /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs umask=0222 0 0 <-- edit that based on your partitions and where you want it mounted
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> monad: defrag doze
[12:09] <buz> maybe some boot manager work
[12:09] <buz> but nothing complicated, really
[12:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> it was umask :|
[12:10] <monad> Kamping_Kaiser: no idead what you're trying to say *s*
[12:10] <Hobbsee> monad: make sure you defrag windows first :P
[12:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> monad: defrag the Windows partition before installing Kubuntu
[12:10] <Hobbsee> although, i've done it without, and it didnt seem to kill it - i had no choice
[12:10] <monad> Kamping_Kaiser: oh, ok
[12:15] <monad> so how exactly do i proceed when installing on her laptop? just pop in the cd and watch out when it comes to partitioning? btw - i don't like to partition manager on the kubuntu 5.10 cd, never really know how to use it. why can't they include sth like fdisk?
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> it's fdisc isnt it?
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> but yeh,basicly you have it
[12:17] <Hobbsee> monad: yeah, just pick manual partition, resize the ntfs partition, and create kubuntu in the newly created free space
[12:17] <monad> Kamping_Kaiser: it might be in there, but not in the usual install routine, where yu just get a dialog box which i hardly understand :-P
[12:17] <raphink> Tm_T: I've fixed the package and uploaded it to my repo again, so you can `apt-get update && apt-get --reinstall install kubuntu-grub-splashimages'
[12:17] <Hobbsee> monad: it's really simple
[12:17] <Hobbsee> raphink: got some pics of them?
[12:17] <monad> Hobbsee: ok... will try
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:17] <Hobbsee> monad: easy for us to talk you through it, if you want
[12:17] <raphink> Hobbsee: of the splashimages ?
[12:17] <Hobbsee> raphink: yes
[12:18] <raphink> hmm there are several links
[12:18] <dennis_p> nobody has trouble that url bar in conqueror has no typing focus?
[12:18] <Hobbsee> dennis_p: occurs here too
[12:18] <raphink> Hobbsee: 
[12:18] <raphink>         * http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31630
[12:18] <raphink>         * http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31191
[12:18] <freeflying> raphink: patch grub with suse's patch can make grub more eye-candy
[12:18] <raphink>         * http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=23071&id=1
[12:18] <monad> Hobbsee: don't have her machine with me and want to walk her through it, since it's her first time linux and it should have some educative effect... maybe i can make her dump windoze :-)
[12:18] <raphink>         * http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=22817&id=1
[12:18] <raphink>         * http://www.kde-look.org/content/download.php?content=23171&id=1
[12:18] <raphink> here are the links to the included splashimages 
[12:19] <Hobbsee> lol true
[12:19] <Hobbsee> raphink: cool
[12:19] <raphink> yes I know that freeflying but i'm not to patch grub :p
[12:19] <monad> "see, it's so complicated with windows and all that still on there..."
[12:19] <raphink> freeflying: you can discuss that with ubuntu devs if you want grub to be ptached on ubuntu ;)
[12:19] <Hobbsee> lol
[12:19] <raphink> Hobbsee: oops these are the links to the files themselves sorry ;)
[12:20] <freeflying> raphink:  I wonder why don't they make grub more beautiful
[12:20] <Hobbsee> yeah, was wondering what the last 3 were
[12:20] <Hobbsee> freeflying: it's not so bad with pretty colours enabled
[12:20] <raphink> freeflying: because that's no the main purpose I guess
[12:20] <raphink> although I don't know what grub2 will be like
[12:20] <Hobbsee> grub2?
[12:21] <raphink> yes
[12:21] <raphink> grub2 is experimental so far
[12:21] <teprrr> hmm, in which package imap kioslave is includeed?
[12:21] <Hobbsee> ah ok, i'll have to go look
[12:22] <raphink> wanna try the package Hobbsee ?
[12:22] <teprrr> argh, menu breakage again :(
[12:22] <Hobbsee> er, possibly, link?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> or i'll find it
[12:22] <raphink> Hobbsee: my repo is : deb http://raphink.free.fr/packages ./
[12:22] <raphink> same for deb-src
[12:23] <raphink> and the package is kubuntu-grub-splashimages
[12:23] <Hobbsee> ah, i see it...reading about grub2
[12:23] <raphink> ok :)
[12:24] <raphink> I didn't have a look at grub2 yet
[12:24] <raphink> GRUB2 (also known as PUPA) is the Preliminary Universal Programming Architecture for GRUB. It is a research project for the next generation of GNU GRUB. The most important goal is to make GNU GRUB cleaner, safer, more robust, more powerful, and more portable. 
[12:26] <artrok> Problem: i try to compile VLC, when i execute ./configure it says:checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[12:26] <freeflying> are there any packages under kde works like comix
[12:26] <artrok> err.. i try to compile the libraries
[12:26] <huhmz> artrok: apt-get install build-essential
[12:27] <raphink> hmm komics freeflying ?
[12:27] <artrok> thx =)
[12:27] <raphink> depends what comix is I guess ;)
[12:29] <freeflying> raphink: no komix
[12:29] <raphink> what is comix freeflying ?
[12:29] <artrok> i'm completely new to linux: what does this :
[12:30] <artrok> i'm completely new to linux: what does this ./ in front of ./configure mean?
[12:30] <freeflying> Package: comix
[12:30] <freeflying> New: yes
[12:30] <freeflying> State: not installed
[12:30] <freeflying> Version: 2.1-1
[12:30] <freeflying> Priority: 
[12:30] <freeflying> Section: universe/x11
[12:30] <freeflying> Maintainer: Emfox Zhou <EmfoxZhou@gmail.com>
[12:30] <freeflying> Uncompressed Size: 258k
[12:30] <raphink> hehe
[12:30] <raphink> artrok: . is the current directory
[12:30] <raphink> and .. is the parent directory
[12:31] <freeflying> raphink: comix - GTK Comic Book Viewer
[12:31] <raphink> artrok: when you run command, the system considers that the binary to launch is in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin or /bin by default
[12:31] <artrok> aaah ok many thx!
[12:31] <raphink> artrok: so as you want to run configure, which is not there but in the current dir, you need to override these settings by telling the system to execute ./configure
[12:32] <raphink> it's the same if you want to launch other scripts, such as install.sh or setup.py
[12:32] <raphink> whenever you need these kinds of stuff ;)
[12:32] <raphink> yes there's a thing like this for kde
[12:33] <freeflying> raphink: which one
[12:33] <raphink> qcomicbook : http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19509
[12:33] <Hobbsee> night all...
[12:33] <raphink> night Hobbsee 
[12:33] <raphink> freeflying: it's not packaged yet though
[12:34] <freeflying> raphink: based on qt?
[12:34] <artrok> whats better for for complete linux greenhorns: kubuntu or mandriva?
[12:34] <raphink> freeflying: sure
[12:34] <raphink> artrok: mandriva is nice
[12:34] <Hobbsee> artrok: um...good question - maybe mepis should be in there too
[12:34] <raphink> but you get tired of it fast imo
[12:34] <raphink> I prefer kubuntu 
[12:34] <raphink> I used mandriva for a year 
[12:35] <Hobbsee> i've never tried it, but it looks....i dont know, rather newbie-ish
[12:35] <raphink> it's very easy to set as long as you use the gui stuff
[12:35] <Hobbsee> and i was turned off by the number of cds to download
[12:35] <raphink> but then if the gui doesn't set it right, it's terrible
[12:35] <freeflying> now , kubuntu is the only one for me 
[12:35] <artrok> what is mepis?
[12:35] <raphink> artrok: mepis is a commercial distro based on Debian
[12:36] <Hobbsee> freeflying: raphink if i want to create a spare partition, and stick another distro on it, which do you say i should put on?
[12:36] <artrok> is mepis not free?
[12:36] <BigKahuna> What sound system engine works best with amarok?
[12:36] <freeflying> Hobbsee: gentoo
[12:36] <raphink> i'd say I think (k)(x)ubuntu is the only debian distro that is good and respects the debian ideology
[12:36] <raphink> what kind of distro do you want Hobbsee ?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> raphink: anything that i'd find interesting, pretty much
[12:37] <raphink> BigKahuna: I'd go for xine
[12:37] <raphink> I had many issues with gstreamer on amarok, and arts is not great
[12:37] <Hobbsee> this is a tripple boot machine, i could get rid of dapper, and stick somethign else on
[12:37] <raphink> Hobbsee: for what purpose ?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> playing around with, using, not sure
[12:37] <raphink> newby-ish or geekish ?
[12:37] <Hobbsee> newbie-ish and i'll probably go nuts
[12:37] <raphink> what have you tried so far?
[12:37] <BigKahuna> raphink, I've heard gstreamer could be problematic.
[12:37] <freeflying> raphink: any interesting in debianising qcomicbook
[12:37] <Hobbsee> but i'd prefer not to have to download 10 billion cd's for one distro
[12:37] <raphink> freeflying: you can do it ;)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> ah, ubuntu hoary, kubuntu hoary, breezy, dapper
[12:38] <raphink> hehe
[12:38] <freeflying> raphink:  :)
[12:38] <raphink> Hobbsee: haha
[12:38] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:38] <raphink> Hobbsee: so you only know ubuntu so far ;)
[12:38] <Hobbsee> pretty much, yeah
[12:38] <raphink> Hobbsee: you can throw an eye on Mandriva, this is interesting
[12:38] <raphink> this way you'll get to know the rpm system
[12:39] <Hobbsee> thinking about something rpm based - was looking at opensuse before, maybe
[12:39] <Hobbsee> mmm
[12:39] <Hobbsee> how big's mandriva?
[12:39] <raphink> mandriva is rpm-based 
[12:39] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:39] <freeflying> Hobbsee: maybe you can try arch 
[12:39] <raphink> you can have it on three CDs or one DVD or more
[12:39] <raphink> one CD is not enough for most things
[12:39] <Tm_T> yuuh, rpm hell
[12:40] <raphink> although you can install the very basis with CD1 and then urpmi the rest
[12:40] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:40] <freeflying> Tm_T:  totally agree with you 
[12:40] <raphink> Tm_T: yeah, but Hobbsee wants to try
[12:40] <Hobbsee> raphink: yeah, that's probably what i'd do
[12:40] <raphink> let him try and get his own opinion on it ;)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> raphink: shame on you!  she!
[12:40] <Tm_T> haha
[12:40] <artrok> how can i create a file called ld.so.conf ?
[12:40] <carsten> ola
[12:40] <Hobbsee> nano ld.so.conf?
[12:40] <freeflying> Hobbsee:  archlinux 
[12:40] <carsten> is KDE 3.5 save to update? I need a stable release :)
[12:40] <raphink> touch ld.so.conf
[12:40] <freeflying> Hobbsee:  or gentoo 
[12:40] <Hobbsee> freeflying: looking at that, havent heard mouch about it
[12:40] <raphink> freeflying: Hobbsee wants to try an rpm-based distro :p
[12:41] <Hobbsee> freeflying: am i brave enough for that?
[12:41] <raphink> and newby-ish
[12:41] <raphink> not arch or gentoo :p
[12:41] <Hobbsee> oh i dont know, i'd try more or less anything out once, as long as it didnt screw my machine too badly
[12:41] <freeflying> raphink:  ass Tm_T saying : rpm hell
[12:41] <Tm_T> ass!
[12:41] <Tm_T> freeflying: hey, I'm not ass, just lizard
[12:41] <raphink> freeflying: I also think rpm are bad, but Hobbsee wants to try them, so let him try
[12:42] <raphink> that's the best way to get to know that it's bad ;)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> dont know who the male hobbsee is there...
[12:42] <freeflying> Tm_T:  hehe 
[12:42] <raphink> sorry :(
[12:42] <Tm_T> Hobbsee: sshhh, let them think so ;)
[12:42] <raphink> I keep forgetting :(
[12:42] <Hobbsee> :P it's ok
[12:42] <Hobbsee> you'll learn
[12:42] <raphink> yes 
[12:43] <Tm_T> gentoo yuk
[12:43] <raphink> freeflying: yes and you wait 70hours to get kde installed
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hehe...i'd prefer to avoid that one lol!
[12:43] <freeflying> raphink:  ? what about your computer
[12:43] <raphink> freeflying: sorry?
[12:44] <raphink> what is there with my comp?
[12:44] <freeflying> raphink:  It's need less than 12hrs from stage1 to a kde 
[12:44] <raphink> haha
[12:44] <BigKahuna> raphink, What packages install to enable Xine support in Amarok?
[12:44] <raphink> well 12hours is far too much for me
[12:44] <raphink> esp. when you have to watch it to be sure it doen't crash
[12:44] <freeflying> BigKahuna:  amarok-xine
[12:44] <raphink> and keep a second computer up to watch the steps and get help
[12:45] <freeflying> raphink: sure , it will not crash
[12:45] <raphink> freeflying: I tried to install gentoo several times ...
[12:45] <BigKahuna> freeflying, I have just installed that package but it doesn't work. I have configured amarox to use the xine engine
[12:45] <raphink> on several archs
[12:45] <raphink> Imight be dump but I gave up everytime
[12:45] <raphink> dumb
[12:45] <Hobbsee> or i could just continue with tripple booting xp breezy dapper lol
[12:46] <freeflying> raphink:  :) 
[12:46] <raphink> freeflying: funnily enough, I managed to get the Hurd running, but never gentoo
[12:46] <freeflying> Hobbsee:  why install breezy and dapper together
[12:46] <raphink> so I consider I don't want to know about this distro
[12:46] <Chousuke> raphink: heh :P
[12:46] <raphink> I have other things to do than spending hours trying to install a distro
[12:46] <winnie> hi! who can help me with mi kubuntu !! :'(
[12:46] <Hobbsee> freeflying: to have something to rely on to be stable, and something to test out a bit
[12:46] <Hobbsee> and cos i'm crazy
[12:47] <freeflying> raphink:  frankly saying ,gentoo cost too much time than debian
[12:47] <Hobbsee> winnie: state your question, and you might get some help
[12:47] <Hobbsee> mm
[12:47] <skaman> hi guys
[12:47] <freeflying> Hobbsee: I feel dapper can suite for my daily use now
[12:47] <skaman> How can i check if hotplug is enabled?
[12:48] <raphink> freeflying: I know people who used to be very enthousiatic with gentoo and are not ubuntuers ;)
[12:48] <skaman> if I insert a Pendrive is not monted...and the same with all usb devices
[12:48] <Hobbsee> freeflying: i could do that, yeah - i've just left it since the debtags errors though...
[12:48] <danudany> the problem is my resolution is 640x480 and I cant put it 10240...
[12:48] <raphink> freeflying: I don't think so at all
[12:48] <raphink> freeflying: dapper can destroy half your system any day
[12:48] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:48] <Hobbsee> exactly
[12:49] <freeflying> raphink:  now it works smoothly for me 
[12:49] <raphink> just upgraded to kde 3.5 yesterday
[12:49] <raphink> and I had to build 5 packages to restore it
[12:49] <raphink> good for you freeflying 
[12:49] <raphink> but it's not stable at all
[12:49] <freeflying> raphink:  ^_^
[12:49] <raphink> not even as a development platform
[12:49] <freeflying> raphink:  after all it's in develp
[12:50] <raphink> we spent a few days not being able to build anything with pbuilder on dapper
[12:50] <raphink> because of debhelper dependencies issues
[12:50] <raphink> then there was this debtags issue with apt-get
[12:50] <raphink> it's just not ready for a desktop use 
[12:50] <raphink> although I do use it ;)
[12:50] <raphink> but I woudln't recommend it to anyone who doesn't need it
[12:51] <raphink> it's upgrade time btw ;)
[12:51] <raphink> hehe
[12:51] <Hobbsee> raphink: did the debtags thing get fixed?
[12:51] <Hobbsee> i havent booted there in a few days
[12:51] <raphink> Hobbsee: I think so, I didn't see it anymore
[12:52] <Hobbsee> ok, i'll remember to boot there again tomorrow, after work
[12:52] <raphink> :)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> bah - i actually have to go to work tomorrow!
[12:52] <[square] > hello. I have problem with artsd on kde 3.5. It's crash. Is this a known bug?
[12:52] <danudany> can anyone help me ... i am new....
[12:52] <raphink> danudany: your pb seems to be linked with your xorg configuration
[12:53] <freeflying> raphink:  have you noticed that kdelibs4c2a be uploaded again
[12:53] <raphink> you can try to run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' and see if you can get a better resolution
[12:53] <raphink> yes freeflying 
[12:53] <danudany> ok... let see... thanks !
[12:53] <freeflying> raphink: have there any changes
[12:53] <raphink> kubuntu-desktop is not ready yet :(
[12:54] <raphink> I'll demerge konq-plugins
[12:54] <raphink> :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> oh, how does one see a version of a package that's not installed yet, via the console?
[12:54] <Hobbsee> apt-get something?
[12:55] <manveru> apt-cache policy package
[12:55] <raphink> apt-cache show $package
[12:55] <raphink> ;)
[12:55] <freeflying> recommend use aptitude 
[12:55] <AeSSeD> anyone that have kde3.5 known if exist any like dashboard ?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> excellent, cool
[12:56] <manveru> AeSSeD: like... karamba?
[12:56] <Hobbsee> i knew there must be a command for it, i'd just never worked out what it was
[12:56] <raphink> AeSSeD: superkaramba ?
[12:56] <AeSSeD> yes but the widget must be in another application layer
[12:56] <AeSSeD> like dashboard
[12:57] <AeSSeD> i want to use karamba program on upper layer desktop
[12:57] <AeSSeD> like in dashboard
[12:57] <raphink> manveru: I think AeSSeD wants widgets that get _over_ the windows, not on the desktop
[12:57] <manveru> hmm, like yakuake?
[12:57] <manveru> (wich is no widget, but anyway)
[12:58] <raphink> AeSSeD: you can set a key to hide the windows, so you'll see the widgets
[12:58] <AeSSeD> no i want to press a key
[12:58] <manveru> ctrl+alt+d
[12:58] <AeSSeD> and see another desktop with all karamba widget
[12:58] <AeSSeD> like in mac os x
[12:58] <AeSSeD> :D
[12:58] <manveru> well, there are multiple desktops
[12:59] <AeSSeD> mmmm
[12:59] <manveru> ctrl+f1-f12
[12:59] <AeSSeD> not multiple desktop a trasparent layer deskotp
[12:59] <AeSSeD> !!!
[12:59] <ubotu> ! is, like, what you add before a sentence to talk to me
[12:59] <m0ns00n> Hello
[12:59] <raphink> AeSSeD: why don't you use mac os x if that's what you wnat ? :p
[12:59] <m0ns00n> Has anyone figured out how Sessions is better than Projects in kate?
[12:59] <m0ns00n> Are they bent on ruining Kate?
[12:59] <AeSSeD> i can't install it at works :
[01:00] <m0ns00n> Every release is more horrid than the prev.
[01:00] <manveru> m0ns00n: i only use sessions because projects create ugly little files for saving project-data that i don't need anyway
[01:00] <Hobbsee> anyway, now i really will go to bed - nigth all!
[01:00] <Hobbsee> *night
[01:00] <raphink> night Hobbsee 
[01:00] <manveru> sleep well
[01:00] <m0ns00n> manveru: But I don't have a file tree anymore then
[01:00] <manveru> AeSSeD: there is nothing like that
[01:01] <danudany> raphink! I have configured it.... now i must restart ?
[01:01] <Hobbsee> will do :)
[01:01] <m0ns00n> manveru: So I need to double click myself through everything
[01:01] <raphink> danudany: just restart X
[01:01] <manveru> m0ns00n: well, i use single clicks :)
[01:01] <danudany> how? :'(
[01:01] <raphink> danudany: press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace
[01:01] <raphink> that will restart X
[01:01] <manveru> danudany: log out before doing that
[01:01] <manveru> ....
[01:01] <raphink> hopefully ;)
[01:01] <manveru> it did
[01:01] <manveru> ^^
[01:01] <raphink> lol
[01:02] <raphink> no it did stop it
[01:02] <raphink> doesn't mean it restarted it
[01:02] <manveru> well, yeah
[01:02] <raphink> that's what I meant ;)
[01:02] <manveru> let's wait and see :)
[01:02] <raphink> hehe
[01:02] <raphink> yep
[01:04] <raphink> ...
[01:04] <manveru> m0ns00n: btw, kate is the only editor i really work with
[01:04] <redguy> any 3.5 builds yest?
[01:04] <raphink> I use kwrite too
[01:04] <redguy> yet
[01:05] <m0ns00n> manveru: I used to
[01:05] <m0ns00n> manveru: First they removed TabPages
[01:05] <m0ns00n> manveru: Then now the projects. It's practically unusable now
[01:05] <manveru> really?
[01:06] <m0ns00n> manveru: But it's too bad, as Quanta doesn't work with large files, and KDevelop _refuses_ to store the layout setup.
[01:06] <m0ns00n> manveru: Tab Pages is a UI mode which was removed.
[01:06] <m0ns00n> manveru: One used to be able to choose IDEAL mode and so forth
[01:06] <m0ns00n> manveru: Kate has been dumbed down and is continuing to be dumbed down.
[01:07] <manveru> hmmm, i am sure i had some a while ago
[01:07] <m0ns00n> Yes
[01:07] <m0ns00n> A plugin.
[01:07] <manveru> at least, exactly- a plugin
[01:07] <m0ns00n> But you haven't used kate very long if you don't know what I mean.
[01:07] <federa> hi!!!
[01:07] <manveru> well, i have tried myriads of other editors in the meanwhile
[01:07] <manveru> so i wasn't that sure about it anymore
[01:08] <manveru> KDevelop is just too unstable
[01:08] <manveru> (at least he ruby-mode)
[01:09] <manveru> i use JEdit for longer sessions now
[01:09] <manveru> also tried Eclipse, but it was a pain to setup
[01:09] <manveru> now i am at Komodo (3.5 beta)
[01:10] <manveru> but it is too buggy
[01:10] <manveru> and i wouldn't use kate if it hasn't the almost perfect search and a konsole
[01:11] <manveru> but you are right - it is _very_ broken
[01:11] <CarstenP> somehow kubuntu does not want to mount my external firewire dvd-+rw anymore
[01:12] <CarstenP> i even tried "sudo umount scd0 -n"
[01:12] <CarstenP> what can i do?
[01:12] <CarstenP> k3b cant find it either
[01:15] <CarstenP> carsten@firefly:/$ ps aux | grep scd0
[01:15] <CarstenP> carsten   8639  0.2  1.2  41228 26432 ?        S    12:59   0:02 konqueror [kdeinit]  media:/scd0
[01:15] <CarstenP> should i kill that process?
[01:19] <CarstenP> i killed it, didnt help
[01:22] <dipnlik> hi all. how can I put the volume button from the traybar in a top bar?
[01:23] <dipnlik> i'm using top menu bar (MacOS style), and reinserting there all buttons from the bottom bar, but didn't find the volume button to insert there
[01:23] <manveru> m0ns00n: try the kate-plugins package
[01:24] <hettar> dipnlik: the volume button is just kmix and it docks into the tray
[01:24] <misieq> is it safe to install kde 3.5 final from kubuntu on debian 3.1? 
[01:24] <dipnlik> hettar: can I move the tray to my top bar?
[01:26] <manveru> dipnlik: you have to remove it and add it again
[01:26] <manveru> dipnlik: because you can have only one of them at the same time
[01:27] <dipnlik> manveru: perfect, thanks
[01:31] <_root> hola....
[01:32] <_root> completamente NUEVO en esto, pero abri el "Konversation" y me salio conectado a este canal...
[01:32] <_root> ubuntu es la caa
[01:32] <buz> it's an english channel though
[01:32] <_root> ups.. sorry then...
[01:32] <manveru> there is #kubuntu-es
[01:32] <buz> try http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InternetRelayChat 
[01:34] <buz> can i try xubuntu without risking my kubuntu install?
[01:34] <buz> or should i try it in vmware or some such
[01:35] <raphink> yes you can buz 
[01:35] <raphink> xubuntu shouldn't affect your kubuntu install
[01:35] <raphink> maybe just change the bootsplash
[01:36] <raphink> imo that's the worse it can do
[01:36] <buz> will it stick to using kdm?
[01:36] <raphink> yes
[01:36] <buz> i think i'll try it in vmware ;)
[01:36] <raphink> hehe ok
[01:37] <buz> is there a backports channel?
[01:37] <buz> i'm wondering about a firefox 1.5 deb ;)
[01:38] <raphink> there are backports to breezy
[01:38] <buz> i know
[01:38] <raphink> I don't know if there's a backport channel
[01:38] <raphink> you can ask on #ubuntu-devel
[01:39] <buz> ubuntu compatible firefox and thunderbird 1.5 debs would rock
[01:39] <raphink> package them ;)
[01:39] <buz> no talent
[01:39] <raphink> the firefox package is 1.5
[01:39] <raphink> on dapper
[01:40] <mornfall> cheap excuse
[01:40] <buz> mhh
[01:40] <buz> might steal it there
[01:40] <raphink> so it should be in breezy backports I guess
[01:40] <buz> its not yet
[01:40] <raphink> it's not called mozilla-firefox, but firefox
[01:40] <buz> i could swear its not in backports
[01:41] <raphink> I don't use firefox though
[01:41] <buz> i want my extensions
[01:41] <raphink> you don't need to swear buz :p
[01:41] <buz> else i'd be using konqi ;)
[01:41] <raphink> as of talents, there's no talent that I know of to package, just work
[01:41] <raphink> what extensions do you need?
[01:41] <buz> sage and webdev
[01:41] <buz> and no, akregator is not a real substitue for sage
[01:41] <raphink> I used to use lots of extensions on FF and I'm perfectly happy with konqui
[01:42] <buz> besides, konqi cant do wysiwyg editing in cms
[01:42] <raphink> quanta can
[01:42] <raphink> I think
[01:42] <raphink> if I understand your sentence
[01:43] <buz> not really. it can edit standalone html but not use tools like htmlarea
[01:43] <raphink> ok
[01:44] <mornfall> firefox is overrated... and it's a primarily windows app, which shows
[01:49] <freeflying> dose there anyone use scim( an input method )
[02:05] <uniq> hi guys.
[02:05] <buz> mornfall: it might be overrated
[02:05] <buz> but it's hell a lot more compatible than konqi
[02:06] <buz> "compatible" as in rendering broken sites
[02:07] <mornfall> good i don't browse broken sites =)
[02:07] <buz> sometimes that cant be avoided
[02:07] <buz> and as i say, i need in browser wysiwyg editors
[02:08] <mornfall> can't be avoided? c'mon
[02:08] <uniq> hum.. kde 3.5 released yesterday. nice.
[02:10] <buz> mornfall: cant as in "my uni is too stupid to build proper sites"
[02:11] <mornfall> now, that sucks
[02:11] <dipnlik> how can I take a screenshot in KDE?
[02:11] <uniq> use ksnapshot
[02:11] <buz> it's gotten better but the lack of in browser wysiwyg is a showstopper for me
[02:11] <raphink> dipnlik: ksnapshotr
[02:11] <raphink> oops
[02:12] <raphink> ksnapshot
[02:13] <dipnlik> thanks all
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> wb jjesse
[02:26] <jjesse> thanks Kamping_Kaise
[02:26] <freeflying> kde-style-lipstik can be used now 
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> all good
[02:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> o_0
[02:40] <MenZa`> does firefox 1.5 exist in the ubuntu repositories?
[02:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> in dapper yes
[02:41] <MenZa`> !dapper
[02:41] <ubotu> The 6.04 version of Ubuntu will be called the "Dapper Drake" release. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperDrake
[02:41] <MenZa`> hmm
[02:42] <Tm_T> Dapper <3
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ++
[02:44] <MenZa`> not in breezy :\?
[02:44] <raphink> it might be in backports
[02:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> :X
[02:45] <raphink> Tm_T: did you try my new deb ?
[02:45] <Tm_T> raphink: haven't rebooted ;)
[02:46] <raphink> ok ;)
[02:46] <freeflying> raphink:  dose the packages in your repo compiled against kdelibs4c2a
[02:46] <raphink> havn't built everything again freeflying 
[02:46] <raphink> most are
[02:46] <raphink> I will rebuild them soon
[02:47] <raphink> Tm_T: you can check if your /boot/grub/menu.lst contains splashimage=(hd0,0)/ etc...
[02:47] <raphink> instead of (hd2,0)
[02:47] <MenZa`> !mount
[02:48] <ubotu> rumour has it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[02:48] <MenZa`> !windowsdrives
[02:48] <ubotu> windowsdrives is probably https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions or see http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[02:50] <Tm_T> raphink: yu, I think grep is enough
[02:50] <raphink> what do you mean Tm_T ?
[02:50] <raphink> oh yes sure grep is enough ;)
[02:51] <Tm_T> used it, 0,0 all the way
[02:51] <raphink> good :)
[02:52] <raphink> should work now :)
[02:52] <MenZa`> how do I execute a script
[02:52] <MenZa`> :\?
[02:52] <MenZa`> I have the script winmac_fstab and I need to execute it
[02:53] <raphink> what script MenZa` ?
[02:53] <raphink> ok
[02:53] <raphink> well
[02:53] <MenZa`> hmm
[02:53] <raphink> you need first to get sure it's executable
[02:54] <MenZa`> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions
[02:54] <raphink> run `ls -l' on it
[02:54] <MenZa`> Working on that at the moment
[02:54] <raphink> to check if you have x rights on this file
[02:54] <MenZa`> huh
[02:54] <MenZa`> (Sorry, noob)
[02:54] <raphink> MenZa`: do  you know a bit about unix ACL?
[02:54] <MenZa`> !ACL
[02:54] <ubotu> I haven't a clue, MenZa`
[02:54] <MenZa`> ubotu doesn't either :o
[02:54] <ubotu> MenZa`: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[02:54] <MenZa`> :\
[02:54] <raphink> hehe you can ask me ;)
[02:55] <MenZa`> Well
[02:55] <raphink> I'm not a bot, I understand questions better most of the time ;,)
[02:55] <MenZa`> I sorta gave up half-way, but now I can't mount /dev/hda1 into /media/windows/ : \
[02:55] <raphink> ok I'll explain about the script thingy
[02:55] <MenZa`> rgr
[02:55] <raphink> run `ls -l $nameofyourscript'
[02:56] <raphink> you will get something like
[02:56] <MenZa`> $nameofyourscript = include dir?
[02:56] <raphink> -rx-r--r- etc..
[02:56] <raphink> replace by the name of your script MenZa` 
[02:56] <l3m> anyone else experiencing konqueror-crashes since upgrading to 3.5? 
[02:56] <MenZa`> run `ls -l /home/menza/winmac_fstab
[02:56] <Tm_T> nope
[02:56] <raphink> no l3m 
[02:56] <MenZa`> I assume :p
[02:57] <raphink> without the `
[02:57] <raphink> just
[02:57] <raphink> ls -l /home/menza/winmac_fstab
[02:58] <MenZa`> no output
[02:58] <raphink> Tm_T: ?
[02:58] <Tm_T> what
[02:58] <raphink> MenZa`: are you sure of the name and location of the file ?
[02:58] <raphink> Tm_T: you said nope, what was this about?
[02:58] <MenZa`> yep
[02:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> MenZa`: run sh ~/path/to/file
[02:58] <Tm_T> raphink: about konqi crashes ;)
[02:58] <MenZa`> ah
[02:58] <MenZa`> I got some output now
[02:58] <MenZa`> -rwxr--r--  1 menza menza 4713 2005-09-02 22:42 /home/menza/winmac_fstab
[02:58] <raphink> ok
[02:59] <raphink> yep
[02:59] <raphink> the -rwxr--r-- means that the owner (menza) has read and write ACL but no execute one (no x in the first 3 letters)
[02:59] <raphink> oop
[02:59] <raphink> sorry
[02:59] <MenZa`> heh
[02:59] <raphink> hehe
[03:00] <raphink> well no actually
[03:00] <raphink> the first letter tells whether it's a directory or not
[03:00] <raphink> here it doesn't say `d' so it's not sa dir
[03:00] <MenZa`> Ah
[03:00] <raphink> then you have the ACLs for the owner, on the next 3 letters
[03:00] <MenZa`> "r" standing for..? Readable?
[03:00] <raphink> in this case, it's rwx
[03:00] <raphink> so that means you can read, write and execute it
[03:00] <MenZa`> ah
[03:00] <MenZa`> :D
[03:00] <MenZa`> Well, I need to know how to run it then :S
[03:00] <raphink> then you have r--, which means the group (menza group) can only read it
[03:01] <raphink> and then you have r-- which means all other users can only read
[03:01] <raphink> so then
[03:01] <raphink> to run it
[03:01] <raphink> you just need to cd to the directory wher eit is
[03:01] <MenZa`> just a sec
[03:01] <raphink> and type ./winmac_fstab
[03:01] <raphink> ;)
[03:01] <MenZa`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5224
[03:02] <MenZa`> I just did sudo /home/menza/winmac_fstab
[03:02] <MenZa`> :P
[03:02] <raphink> well see that works ;)
[03:02] <MenZa`> hmm
[03:02] <MenZa`> I'll try going "y"
[03:03] <MenZa`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5225
[03:03] <MenZa`> some error
[03:03] <raphink> ;)
[03:03] <MenZa`> can't find a windows partition, even though I've had no problems before
[03:03] <MenZa`> :o
[03:04] <raphink> hmm I don't know this script
[03:04] <raphink> and I couldn't test it since I don't have windows
[03:04] <MenZa`> any idea what may be wrong?
[03:05] <raphink> no idea MenZa` 
[03:05] <MenZa`> D':
[03:05] <MenZa`> Hmm
[03:06] <MenZa`> Any idea why I can't mount it manually then :\?
[03:06] <raphink> hmm what kind of partition is it?
[03:08] <MenZa`> ntfs
[03:08] <MenZa`> !mount
[03:08] <ubotu> I heard mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[03:08] <raphink> hmm there are pbs with ntfs anyway
[03:08] <raphink> it's not fully supported
[03:08] <raphink> and I wouldn't be surprised M$ would soon decide that it's illegal to mount ntfs partitions on linux
[03:09] <MenZa`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5226
[03:09] <MenZa`> That's what I get when I try to mount it
[03:10] <raphink> well to me that says it all
[03:11] <raphink> I mean it pretends it's already mounted on /media/
[03:11] <MenZa`> well
[03:11] <raphink> so you obviously can't mount it again on /media/windows
[03:11] <MenZa`> I go to /media/windows/ but it's empty
[03:11] <viviersf> lol MenZa` 
[03:11] <raphink> of course it's empty
[03:11] <raphink> if it's mounted to /media/
[03:11] <viviersf> type : mount
[03:11] <viviersf> and paste it
[03:11] <raphink> there's no reason why it would be in /media/windows
[03:11] <MenZa`> :\
[03:12] <viviersf> quick
[03:12] <viviersf> pzl
[03:12] <raphink> look at the pastebin viviersf 
[03:12] <viviersf> i wanan go have
[03:12] <viviersf> *home
[03:12] <raphink> viviersf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5226
[03:12] <MenZa`> Right
[03:12] <MenZa`> I just re-read it
[03:12] <MenZa`> lol
[03:12] <MenZa`> how could I miss that
[03:12] <raphink> MenZa`: ;)
[03:12] <viviersf> ffs
[03:12] <MenZa`> Yep
[03:12] <MenZa`> there it is :)
[03:12] <raphink> so check your /media/ MenZa` 
[03:12] <viviersf> i want full contests of what : mount is
[03:12] <raphink> of course MenZa` ;)
[03:12] <raphink> if you check in the wrong place you can't find it
[03:12] <MenZa`> lol
[03:13] <viviersf> type : mount
[03:13] <MenZa`> true :D
[03:13] <viviersf> and paste
[03:13] <MenZa`> right
[03:13] <viviersf> mount with no arguments
[03:13] <raphink> that means your /etc/fstab is not set right
[03:13] <raphink> so you should modify it
[03:13] <raphink> to mount your partition to /media/windows
[03:13] <MenZa`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5227
[03:13] <MenZa`> !fstab
[03:13] <ubotu> the /etc/fstab  file lists all drives and partitions but can be easily configured automatically with the winmac_fstab file found here http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/files/winmac_fstab  See <partitions>.
[03:13] <MenZa`> Ah :D
[03:13] <MenZa`> <3 ubotu 
[03:14] <viviersf> MenZa`, 
[03:14] <viviersf> cd /media
[03:14] <viviersf> ls
[03:14] <viviersf> all you doze stuff is there
[03:14] <viviersf> raphink, is right
[03:14] <MenZa`> 0 GB Disk (hda1)  cdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy0  usbdisk  WIN  window
[03:14] <viviersf> your fstab is wasted
[03:14] <MenZa`> hmm
[03:14] <viviersf> ah wait
[03:14] <viviersf> MenZa`, 
[03:14] <raphink> MenZa`: paste your /etc/fstab in a pastebin please
[03:15] <viviersf> cd "/media/0 GB"
[03:15] <mth`MAW> Tach
[03:15] <viviersf> @ MenZa` 
[03:15] <mth`MAW> opps 
[03:15] <MenZa`> yea yea, I don't work as fast as you :S
[03:15] <mth`MAW> hello
[03:15] <mth`MAW> i ment
[03:15] <raphink> viviersf: can you read what MenZa` wrote a few minutes ago?
[03:15] <raphink> while you were telling him to do things I had told him to do
[03:16] <viviersf> oh soz
[03:16] <viviersf> i didnt see
[03:16] <viviersf> raphink, the prob is /dev/hda1 is mounted on /media/0 GB
[03:16] <raphink> MenZa`: just past your /etc/fstab in a pastebin and we can see what there is to change in it
[03:17] <raphink> yes I've seen that too viviersf 
[03:17] <MenZa`> kay
[03:17] <viviersf> thus it wont mount on media/windows again
[03:17] <viviersf> just easy fstab
[03:17] <viviersf> since you fine
[03:17] <viviersf> im going home
[03:17] <MenZa`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5228
[03:17] <raphink> drive safely viviersf 
[03:17] <MenZa`> cya viviersf 
[03:18] <raphink> don't use emacs, use more or nano MenZa` 
[03:18] <raphink> or less
[03:18] <MenZa`> I was just recommended emacs :o
[03:18] <raphink> and try to not be logged as root 
[03:18] <raphink> there's sudo in ubuntu to prevent being logged as root ;)
[03:18] <MenZa`> heh
[03:18] <MenZa`> why's being root bad?
[03:18] <raphink> well see you can't launch emacs ;)
[03:19] <raphink> hehe
[03:19] <raphink> because root is not allowed to launch graphic programs ;)
[03:19] <redguy> root stole the cookies
[03:19] <raphink> which is good
[03:19] <raphink> MenZa`: so just past `more fstab' or open the file with nano
[03:21] <MenZa`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5229
[03:22] <raphink> see the pb MenZa` ?
[03:22] <raphink> your windows line is a mess ;)
[03:22] <MenZa`> :\
[03:22] <Juerd_> Everything Windows is a mess.
[03:22] <dipnlik> my KDE icons became really small, how can I fix it?
[03:22] <raphink> it mounts your partition on /media/0\040GB\040Disk\040(hda1)
[03:22] <raphink> so edit the file (nano is fine for that)
[03:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> rofl
[03:22] <MenZa`> dipnlik: System Settings -> Display -> ICons
[03:23] <raphink> and change the line to
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugzor
[03:23] <raphink> I mean
[03:23] <raphink> /dev/hda1 /media/0\040GB\040Disk\040(hda1) ntfs ro,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0
[03:23] <raphink>  0
[03:23] <raphink> right now you have 
[03:23] <MenZa`> just a sec
[03:23] <raphink> that's what you have now
[03:23] <raphink> change it to 
[03:23] <dipnlik> MenZa`: doesn't help :(
[03:24] <skaman> hi guys anyone could let kdetv run under breezy?
[03:24] <raphink>  /dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs ro,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0     0
[03:24] <icewt> dipnlik: are you running kde 3.5?
[03:24] <dipnlik> icewt: don't know exactly, but probably not
[03:24] <raphink> if you don't know, then no
[03:24] <raphink> ;)
[03:24] <raphink> and what MenZa` told you should do it
[03:25] <raphink> if you search a bit around in options there ;)
[03:25] <MenZa`> And how do I save it, raphink 
[03:25] <raphink> on nano ?
[03:25] <MenZa`> Converting from win to nix isn't exactly my cuppa tea
[03:25] <MenZa`> yep
[03:25] <raphink> ctrl+o to save, then ctrl+x to close
[03:25] <MenZa`> rgr
[03:25] <MenZa`> Let's see
[03:26] <raphink> then you can 
[03:26] <raphink> umount /dev/hda1
[03:26] <raphink> and mount /media/windows
[03:26] <MenZa`> wow
[03:26] <MenZa`> Awesome
[03:26] <icewt> i've just heard that some people have had problems with icon sizes in kde 3.5, that's why i was asking (haven't noticed anything myself though)
[03:27] <MenZa`> thanks dude :D
[03:27] <raphink> you're welcome MenZa` 
[03:27] <raphink> no pb with me at least icewt :)
[03:28] <icewt> raphink: yeah
[03:28] <raphink> :)
[03:29] <dipnlik> well, i am trying to configure the icon size even in the advanced tab and still the icons are small :(
[03:29] <dipnlik> the doubled sized pixels option works, the others don't :(
[03:32] <raphink> hmm
[03:32] <raphink> let me install systemsettings
[03:32] <raphink> well build and install it
[03:32] <raphink> ;)
[03:33] <dipnlik> weird thing is: the option says "desktop/file manager", i change the icon size, then desktop icons change fine, but not the file manager icons
[03:34] <raphink> ooooh
[03:34] <raphink> you mean the icons in the konqueror window ?
[03:34] <dipnlik> yes
[03:34] <raphink> that's what you want to set ?
[03:34] <raphink> not the toolbars
[03:34] <raphink> ooooh
[03:34] <raphink> :)
[03:34] <raphink> then just press ctrl and use your mouse wheel  ;)
[03:34] <raphink> or use ctrl++ or ctrl+-
[03:35] <raphink> that's not really settings, it's rather zooming on the windows ;)
[03:36] <dipnlik> raphink: didn't work :(
[03:36] <raphink> hmm
[03:36] <raphink> how about ctrl++ ?
[03:37] <dipnlik> opens a window: select files
[03:38] <raphink> wait a min
[03:39] <eternal9> !nvidia 63
[03:39] <ubotu> eternal9: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[03:39] <eternal9> !nvidia
[03:39] <ubotu> I heard nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[03:40] <raphink> what exactly did you try dipnlik ?
[03:41] <eternal9> does anyone have nvidia 4 chipset and a 6600 gt gpu having one hell of a time
[03:41] <raphink> not me
[03:42] <eternal9> damn
[03:42] <dipnlik> raphink: opened my home folder, clicked on the window to focus it, held ctrl, pressed + on the numpad, got the window
[03:42] <dipnlik> raphink: same with ctrl shift =
[03:43] <raphink> dipnlik: that's what you want, no ? http://raphink.myftp.org/zoom.gif
[03:43] <raphink> sorry it's a bit big ;)
[03:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> eternal9: good luck with the drivers
[03:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> dothn think it will work (but nto sure)
[03:44] <dipnlik> raphink: yes. not that big but yes
[03:44] <raphink> I used ctrl+mouse wheel to do that
[03:44] <raphink> just hold ctrl and drag your mouse wheel
[03:46] <dipnlik> raphink: don't work here. maybe something with the konqueror shortcut configs? will look into it
[03:46] <raphink> hmm ok
[03:46] <raphink> it's not konqueror though
[03:46] <raphink> the ctrl+wheel is kde-wide
[03:46] <raphink> I can do it on other apps
[03:48] <dipnlik> raphink: while browsing with konqueror it works, changes font size :(
[03:48] <raphink> then I don't see why it doesn't work on icons
[03:48] <raphink> that's weird
[03:53] <dipnlik> raphink: even the zoom buttons on the toolkbar are greyed out
[03:53] <raphink> hmm
[03:54] <raphink> that's weird
[03:54] <raphink> mine work fine
[03:54] <raphink> there must be something in your settings ......
[04:00] <dipnlik> raphink: probably, but where? :(
[04:01] <raphink> no idea :s
[04:01] <dipnlik> raphink: where can I get more themes?
[04:02] <dipnlik> raphink: maybe installing another theme can help, don't know
[04:02] <raphink> kde-look
[04:05] <JavaGeek> greetings, bytecodes!(tm)
[04:07] <JavaGeek> a quick question. The installation of Sun's java is the same as the one for ubuntu, right?
[04:08] <uniq> javageek: yes.
[04:10] <JavaGeek> uniq: ok
[04:10] <JavaGeek> damn, I left adept running, and now I'm locked out of the apt repository
[04:11] <JavaGeek> well, I guess I'll have to install everything tonight when I get back home
[04:16] <bl3ssing> Good day everyone! 
[04:16] <McScruff> lo
[04:16] <kkathman> hello bl3ssing :)
[04:16] <bl3ssing> ................. meeeeeee................. SNORING! =))
[04:16] <bl3ssing> how're you people?
[04:16] <bl3ssing> hello kkathman
[04:16] <bl3ssing> how're you?
[04:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi bl3ssing :)
[04:17] <bl3ssing> are you ready for other questions? :-)  ... 
[04:17] <kkathman> fighting a cold or something , but Im ok
[04:17] <bl3ssing> Hello Kamping_Kaiser; how're you?
[04:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok. self?
[04:17] <bl3ssing> sorry'bou tthe cold
[04:17] <bl3ssing> :-(
[04:17] <bl3ssing> where did you get it from? are you living somewhere in Norway? :-)
[04:17] <kkathman> its ok...I'll be fine..but I appreciate your concern
[04:17] <bl3ssing> cause I've been there and ... there's pretty cold outside ...
[04:17] <raphink> hi bl3ssing 
[04:18] <kkathman> bl3ssing: nah...my kids were home from college and I think they gave it to me
[04:18] <bl3ssing> not here in Romania ... but there ...
[04:18] <bl3ssing> raphink: God bless you! how're you my friend? :-)
[04:18] <raphink> it seems the author has suffered so much from attacks to christians that he gave up on creating christian art
[04:18] <raphink> :(
[04:19] <bl3ssing> heeheheh about the cold ... kkathman; just tell them when they get back at home from college, to leave the cold right over there to the college, or at least to give it to the teachers ... but not to you. :-) 
[04:19] <raphink> I'm fine apart from that bl3ssing 
[04:19] <raphink> the way christian contributions are considered on kde-look is outrageous
[04:19] <kkathman> I will do that bl3ssing :)
[04:19] <bl3ssing> rath... what you mean ... ? 
[04:19] <bl3ssing> are you people christians? or ...?
[04:19] <bl3ssing> cause I am ... and I love my Lord. 
[04:19] <raphink> I am 
[04:19] <kkathman> I am
[04:20] <raphink> :)
[04:20] <Stele> "I call the cat 'Lord'"
[04:20] <raphink> I am the admin of a CDD called Ichthux
[04:20] <kkathman> what kinds of questions are plaguing you today bl3ssing :)
[04:20] <raphink> that is aimed to creating a christian distribution
[04:20] <bl3ssing> that's great ... knowing that we're christians. 
[04:20] <raphink> based on Debian
[04:20] <bl3ssing> I see raphink ...
[04:21] <raphink> kkathman and bl3ssing  you could join #christianforums on irc.christianforums.com someday ;) we're mostly christian linux fans there ;)
[04:21] <bl3ssing> and ... what is the point ... can you be more specified? what's the main purpose of what you're saying ... cause I'm out of what you're saying. 
[04:21] <bl3ssing> hheheh
[04:21] <raphink> bl3ssing: well there are apps for christians on linux
[04:21] <bl3ssing> thanks raphink, Ill be right on it. :-)
[04:21] <raphink> such as the sword project, with bibletime, gnomesword, etc.
[04:21] <raphink> and other apps that could help churches if well set
[04:21] <raphink> and christian art for linux too
[04:22] <raphink> so the idea is to make a custom distro
[04:22] <bl3ssing> sorry raphink, but I won't quit with this kubuntu ... cause I got some friends right over here ... and ...
[04:22] <raphink> oh sure bl3ssing me neither ;)
[04:22] <bl3ssing> lol
[04:22] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:22] <raphink> that's why we develop as a CDD
[04:22] <raphink> ;)
[04:22] <kkathman> I'll certainly join over there sometime :)
[04:22] <raphink> custom debian distributions are sets of metapackages
[04:23] <bl3ssing> me too kkathman, but maybe now ... I'll open another kvirc.
[04:23] <bl3ssing> :-)
[04:23] <kkathman> I dont think I can join two networks simutaneoulsy tho :)
[04:23] <bl3ssing> you can ... kkathman; if you'll have to irc opened
[04:23] <Kaiser_Sleeps> kkathman: what ylou using?
[04:23] <raphink> so that ichthux would actually turn a Debian distro into a tuned christian one
[04:23] <kkathman> Kaiser_Sleeps: kvirc :)
[04:23] <Kaiser_Sleeps> oh :)
[04:23] <raphink> kkathman: what client?
[04:23] <raphink> ah
[04:23] <raphink> dunno then ;)
[04:23] <kkathman> raphink: thats really a great idea :)
[04:23] <raphink> :)
[04:23] <buz> i just somehow doubt its the right channel to discuss it
[04:23] <raphink> kkathman: the project is a bit stalled
[04:24] <raphink> buz: are we preventing people from asking questions aboug kubuntu?
[04:24] <buz> well topics like this often end up in flamewars
[04:24] <raphink> or is it just that it hurts your eyes to see people chatting about things you don't believe in?
[04:24] <kkathman> raphink and bl3ssing probably buz is right, we could take the discussion to another channel if you'd like
[04:25] <buz> if i took enough offense i'd start the flamewar
[04:25] <raphink> kkathman: I wouldn't mind, although I would think the time when christians had to hide had ceased ;)
[04:25] <kkathman> raphink and bl3ssing go to #cdd-talk
[04:25] <Kaiser_Sleeps> boys, take it -to
[04:25] <Kaiser_Sleeps> realy ;)
[04:26] <Kaiser_Sleeps> raphink: talk christian sure, but not in the main channel :)
[04:26] <kkathman> really has nothing to do with hiding, but with the channel topic
[04:26] <buz> otherwise, next thing we now, someone comes and wants to do the pasta distribution...
[04:26] <kkathman> lol
[04:27] <kkathman> bl3ssing: please join us in #cdd-talk
[04:27] <needlz_> hi
[04:27] <buz> crap
[04:28] <buz> k3b somehow crashed during burning and now the cd spins at full speed and wont come out
[04:28] <needlz_> ive a thinkpad t42 with a centrino wlan card, everytime i try to activate the ath0 (wlan interface), it activates for 1 second and then deactivates it..does anyone know what i can do?
[04:29] <dipnlik> ok, now I'm really fscked up. cannot open konqueror, it crashes on me if I try to open a local folder
[04:29] <crimsun> centrino should use ipw2x00
[04:29] <needlz_> crimsun: yep ipw2200
[04:29] <needlz_> KWifimanager even finds my wlan (it shows me the ssid)..but i cant connect :/
[04:30] <needlz_> but systemsettings -> network settings shows me "disabled" wireless network device..and i cant activate it
[04:30] <needlz_> (i run it with sudo)
[04:32] <needlz_> crimsun: oh and ive read that (k)ubuntu supports the iwp2200 thingy now automaticly..without any special tweaks :/
[04:32] <bl3ssing> raphink: can you retype the link of the christianforum? pls ... the server and the channel; thanks in advandage...
[04:33] <bl3ssing> lol
[04:33] <bl3ssing> advance
[04:33] <bl3ssing> :-))
[04:33] <raphink> oh well the server is down atm bl3ssing I think :(
[04:33] <raphink> but join us on #cdd-talk
[04:33] <bl3ssing> what's the meaning of cdd?
[04:34] <kkathman> join please
[04:34] <raphink> custom debian distro
[04:34] <raphink> it doesn't matter 
[04:34] <raphink> we're there with kkathman 
[04:34] <raphink> so come ;)
[04:34] <raphink> type /join #cdd-talk
[04:55] <Dr_Fate> is there a ssstock ticker for KDE?
[04:56] <manveru> Dr_Fate: maybe... but it has not that many 's' i fear...
[04:56] <manveru> Dr_Fate: try knewsticker - it has scripts for stock-market
[04:56] <Dr_Fate> also I just installed KDE with the new 3.5 repo added
[04:57] <Dr_Fate> and I have no superkaramba?
[04:57] <Dr_Fate> thx
[04:57] <egonw> apt-get install superkaramba?
[04:57] <Dr_Fate> it seems allot of the extras with KDE were not installed with kubuntu-desktop pright?
[04:58] <Dr_Fate> I thought superkaramba was part of KDE 3.5, why would I have to apt-get it seperately?
[04:58] <egonw> because KDE 3.5 != kubuntu-desktop
[04:58] <egonw> try: apt-get install kdesktop
[04:58] <Dr_Fate> ok
[04:58] <Dr_Fate> thx
[04:59] <Dr_Fate> kdesktop is already the newest version.
[04:59] <egonw> ok, then I don't know...
[04:59] <Dr_Fate> must admit, I like the new KDE
[04:59] <egonw> install it manually...
[04:59] <Dr_Fate> its actually kinda snappy
[05:00] <egonw> the new superkaramba even gets the transparent liquidWeather on my amd64 rigth :)
[05:00] <Dr_Fate> thats what I want!
[05:00] <egonw> just do: apt-get install superkaramba
[05:02] <martinjh99> Just a quickie whens FF 1.5 out for Kubuntu...?
[05:03] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:04] <hussam> Riddell: Hi, Will there be a koffice 1.4.3 before 1.5?
[05:05] <Tm_T> hussam: maybe
[05:06] <Tm_T> my Koffice says "1.4 post" as version :p
[05:06] <Tm_T> so prolly yes
[05:06] <hussam> Tm_T: I was asking before krita 1.4.2 crashes a bit
[05:07] <Tm_T> heh, I know
[05:07] <Tm_T> I don't use krita nor karbon, both are mostly unusable to me
[05:07] <Tm_T> krita lacks many functions I need and is slow and crashy, karbon is way too slow
[05:13] <egonw> someone around who can help me with a sendmail/anacron problem? email for local root gets send to root of network SMTP server...
[05:15] <hussam> Tm_T: well if there is, I have we get breezy packages :)
[05:15] <Dr_Fate> ok install superkaramba
[05:15] <Dr_Fate> its kool
[05:15] <Dr_Fate> but I installed the liquid weather
[05:15] <hussam> Tm_T: sorry, that's hope* we get
[05:15] <Dr_Fate> and it did not work
[05:15] <Dr_Fate> how to reinstall a superkaramba module?
[05:17] <egonw> I had that too...
[05:18] <egonw> server is slow, too busy with people installin KDE 3.5 I guess :)
[05:18] <Dr_Fate> how did you fix it?
[05:18] <Dr_Fate> brb
[05:18] <egonw> download the .skz manually, and install it $HOME/.kde/share/apps/superkaramba/themes/.
[05:24] <Dr_Fate> just to fix the liquid weather app?
[05:24] <Dr_Fate> can't Ii just uninstall and reinstall it
[05:26] <Dr_Fate> and whatever happened to the kweather applet?
[05:26] <Uncino> ciao
[05:28] <jrattner1> is there a program similar to knewsticker for gnome'?
[05:38] <_aj> nalioth_zZz: i did fix it without a re-install 
[05:39] <bobjuh> hmz
[05:41] <nalioth_zZz> _aj: and it took ya a whole lot of --force, i'm sure
[05:48] <_aj> not really
[05:48] <_aj> i just did a dist-upgrade
[05:48] <_aj> and fixed the bad cairo lib in /usr/ib
[05:48] <_aj> *lib
[05:49] <_aj> you can set /etc/apt/preferences so it will dist-upgrade to breezy
[05:49] <_aj> which is actually downgrading
[05:50] <_aj> i do have one problem and i can't figure it out though when i try to run kaffeine with a video its looking for gstreamer_part.desktop and it can't find it...any idea anyone what that means?
[05:52] <angasule> _aj: I have the same problem in another distro (I'm still downloading kubuntu)
[05:55] <_aj> oh ok
[05:55] <_aj> i know gstreamer works
[05:55] <_aj> but i can't figure out why it doesn't with kaffeine
[05:55] <TedLemon> Can anybody whack me with a clue stick?   I'm trying to upgrade to 3.5, but it won't upgrade most packages - it says 88 were held back.
[06:04] <_aj> awesome i fixed kaffeine now too so everything works
[06:06] <angasule> _aj: how did you fix it?
[06:06] <_aj> well i used xine to do playback
[06:06] <_aj> i installed kaffeine-xine
[06:07] <angasule> ah, ok
[06:07] <_aj> and changed some permissions of a /var/tmp/kdecache-aj/ to my user
[06:08] <CarstenP> _aj: kaffeine-xine is REALLY great
[06:09] <CarstenP> it just keeps crashing after i did sth with it
[06:09] <CarstenP> and close it
[06:11] <_aj> kaffeine-xine crashes?
[06:22] <hussam> has anybody tried to install kde35?
[06:22] <[Dev] Null> yep i'm running kde 3.5
[06:22] <[Dev] Null> from the kubuntu repositories
[06:23] <hussam> [Dev] Null: did it want to remove kubuntu-desktop?
[06:23] <[Dev] Null> i only used apt-get upgrade
[06:24] <[Dev] Null> and changed the sources.list of 3.5rc1 to 3.5
[06:24] <hussam> I wanted to upgrade but if a dist-upgrade removed kubuntu-desktop, I'll stick to kde 3.4.3
[06:24] <ninHer> hi all
[06:25] <[Dev] Null> hussam: what repositories are u using to upgrade kde ?
[06:25] <hussam> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35/ breezy main
[06:26] <[Dev] Null> try to apt-get install kdebase
[06:26] <[Dev] Null> and the next time apt-get dist-upgrade or upgrade
[06:27] <hussam> so you think it is kdebase preventing kubuntu-dekstop?
[06:27] <[Dev] Null> kubuntu-desktop it's only a metapackage to install KDE
[06:27] <hussam> I know but I want to keep it
[06:28] <[Dev] Null> try to upgrade with adept but i don't have any problem in the upgrade from kde 3.4 to 3.5
[06:28] <hussam> because you did upgrade and not dist-upgrade
[06:28] <[Dev] Null> nope i used dist-upgrade
[06:29] <hussam> did you upgrade all the packages?
[06:29] <[Dev] Null> yep
[06:29] <kkathman> the standard repos have not been updated yet
[06:29] <kkathman> so that means there are still dependencies that are not synched
[06:30] <kkathman> Id advise waiting a day or two, till 3.5 is in the standard repos :)
[06:30] <[Dev] Null> i'm using the "old" 3.5rc1 repositories now are 3.5 final
[06:30] <kkathman> but its always up to the individual as to how much work they want to do
[06:30] <hussam> [Dev] Null: do you still have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[06:31] <[Dev] Null> w8 i'm verify :P
[06:31] <hussam> kkathman: I think i might wait till kde 3.5.1
[06:31] <[Dev] Null> hussam: nope i don't have installed kubuntu-desktop
[06:31] <_kk> Hi people!
[06:32] <hussam> [Dev] Null: then that's it
[06:33] <hussam> well as long as kde 3.4.3 is supported in kubuntu breezy, I'll wait for now
[06:34] <_kk> I've installed kubuntu-desktop on breezy. I'm not able to access any KDE app which requires root access
[06:34] <_kk> KDE su accepts my password, but the options still remain grayed out
[06:35] <hussam> _kk: run: kdesu <application>
[06:35] <_kk> I face no problems running admin-apps on gnome
[06:35] <kkathman> hussam:  you are a wise man
[06:35] <_kk> well, kde su starts up and even accepts my password...
[06:36] <hussam> _kk, kkathman: Ah, I get it. there was a fix for admin mode in breezy-updates
[06:36] <_kk> has anyone tried swsusp? How do I get the "hibernate" option on my K Logout menu?
[06:36] <sampan> kk, you have just met the infamous "administrator bug" in kubuntu (say "HI!" and shake it's hand) -- updates fix it
[06:37] <kkathman> lol
[06:37] <_kk> hussam: oh! it's a known bug then?
[06:37] <kkathman> its a fixed bug
[06:37] <kkathman> get updates
[06:37] <kkathman> lol
[06:37] <kkathman> use adept
[06:37] <_kk> ok..I'm new to ubuntu..which repository holds updates for breezy?
[06:38] <kkathman> if you updated to breezy you already have them
[06:38] <kkathman> assuming all went well :)
[06:38] <_kk> kkathman: well...I am on breezy now!
[06:38] <kkathman> just run Adept Updater and get the updates
[06:38] <_kk> I'lll try it right away
[06:39] <_kk> thanks
[06:39] <_kk> there is something different about the ubuntu community..
[06:39] <_kk> It seems much more friendlier than any other linux community!
[06:40] <bhna> _kk: ;-)
[06:40] <_kk> seriously! anywhere else, I'd be clobbered on the head for being stupid enough to ask a question like this!
[06:40] <sampan> indeed -- being a newb myself, i've never heard "RTFM" once with ubuntu -- worst that's happened is my question occasionally get ignored ... but no one is mean about it ;)
[06:41] <sampan> s/get/gets
[06:41] <_kk> yes..and it does rub off on you..
[06:41] <_kk> you end up being much more helpful to the others too
[06:41] <kkathman> thats our hope :)
[06:41] <_kk> :)
[06:42] <_kk> btw, does canonical make any money with ubuntu?
[06:42] <_kk> or is it a non-profit?
[06:42] <Delvien> Anyone know alot about Samba and windows networking between samba?
[06:43] <bhna> _kk: they will make there money with professionel support
[06:43] <sampan> kk, afaik the OS itself is non-profit, but they're planning making money with ... yeah, what bhna said
[06:43] <hussam> _kk: you're right about the community thing. I once asked a question in #linux and instead of answering my sinmple question. some guy told me to go learn how stuff work and then come back. That was pretty rude.
[06:45] <_kk> yes..I know..I've been kicked around #linux and even #linuxhelp!
[06:49] <_kk> kkathman: synaptic and adept report that there are no packages to update..seems logical considering that I installed breezy and kubuntu desktop just 2 days ago...
[06:50] <Delvien> Can anyone help me with a bit of samba setup?
[06:50] <_kk> kkathman: Is there a chance that the repositories have not been updated?
[06:50] <_kk> or are updates in a different repository?
[06:50] <bhna> _kk: i think you (your kubuntu) is up to date
[06:51] <andrzej> somebody have package firefox1.5?
[06:51] <_kk> bhna: then the bug is not fixed then? I think I should see the bugzilla..
[06:52] <bhna> qaqa: wich bug. haven't read all your comments
[06:53] <qaqa> bhna: the kde-admin bug - when I start kdeadmin apps, kdesu accepts my password, but the admin options still remain grayed out..
[06:53] <qaqa> bhna: I was told that this bug was well known and was squished recently
[06:53] <bhna> qaqa: every time or sometimes? i have this somtimes to. even with kde 3.5
[06:54] <qaqa> I have it every time...makes kubuntu unusable since I'm not able to set the options I need
[06:54] <qaqa> I'm forced to use gnome..
[06:55] <qaqa> ubuntu packages for KDE 3.5 are already out? how is kde 3.5? worht the upgrade?
[06:56] <bhna> qaqa: www.kubuntu.org -> last news.
[06:57] <bhna> qaqa: can you start your programm in a terminal with sudo xxx
[06:58] <qaqa> bhna:the kdeapps? I havent tried...one sec..I'll do it now
[06:58] <bhna> qaqa: e.g. sudo kcontrol
[06:59] <qaqa> bhna: yup! they work fine!
[06:59] <qaqa> bhna: I ran them from the root console
[07:00] <bhna> qaqa: kdesu kcontrol?
[07:00] <qaqa> bhna: I think I can salvage the situation! thanks! they'll hopefully fix it soon
[07:00] <qaqa> bhna: no..I have a "root console" option in my menu..starts a konsole with root priviliges..
[07:01] <bhna> qaqa: root console in kubuntu? this isn't standard.
[07:02] <qaqa> oh! I'm sorry I misunderstood! no, kdesu kcontrol does not work. same problem
[07:02] <ClayG> how do you save / exit in vi?
[07:02] <qaqa> bhna: yes..it's non standard..I think it was in warty though
[07:02] <qaqa> ClayG: quit without save: <esc> :q!
[07:03] <bhna> ClayG: don't know. man vi could help
[07:03] <qaqa> ClayG: Quit with save: <esc>:wq
[07:04] <ClayG> I tried this, esc then wq but does not work
[07:04] <bhna> qaqa: have you update your warty to breezy. maybe this ist the reason for your problem.
[07:04] <Delvien> samba is hella hard to set up with XP
[07:04] <StR> hi all
[07:04] <qaqa> ClayG: you need to type in ":wq" after <esc>. mind the :
[07:04] <Delvien> Stupid ass XP networking , i hate you
[07:04] <ClayG> oh, I see
[07:04] <StR> anyone knows how to install  php 5.1 in kubuntu?
[07:05] <qaqa> bhna: No..I;m running breezy now..loved the root console concept..so I added a menu entry for sudo konsole
[07:05] <ClayG> wow, I hate this thing
[07:05] <ClayG> is there a better text editor?
[07:05] <qaqa> ClayG: It's quite nice for programming
[07:05] <ClayG> I'm messing around ssh on my webhost
[07:06] <qaqa> ClayG: GUI or command line?
[07:06] <bhna> ClayG: kate?
[07:06] <ClayG> and i can't tell when it has accepted the esc or not
[07:06] <ClayG> I need something cli
[07:06] <qaqa> ClayG: I prefer kwrite on gui. mcedit on the command line is good - reminds me of the DOS edit
[07:06] <ClayG> dos edit
[07:06] <ClayG> cool
[07:06] <ClayG> I've used that a time or two
[07:07] <qaqa> ClayG: There is a whole suite - "midnight commander" mcedit is a part of that. look around in apt
[07:07] <ClayG> but it wasn't put in dos till the later years, was it?
[07:07] <ClayG> I can't this is a fedora box, it's not my server, im using ssh to mess around
[07:07] <qaqa> ClayG: I think it came in with 5.x
[07:08] <qaqa> ClayG: well, head over to rpmfind.net then. 
[07:08] <ClayG> before that to create a text file you needed to use the down and dirty "copy con hello.txt"
[07:08] <qaqa> ClayG: fedora has nano too. 
[07:08] <qaqa> ClayG: I doubt that was the only way. 
[07:08] <ClayG> with just the OS?
[07:09] <jkop> moin
[07:09] <ClayG> I cannot remember if Dos had this packaged or if it was thrid party
[07:09] <ClayG> but was qbasic part of the earlier dos (around 3.0) packages?
[07:10] <ClayG> never mind, dont want to talk dos in a nix channel, this is asking to get "trolled"
[07:10] <ClayG> Thanks for your help
[07:10] <qaqa> ClayG: np
[07:11] <qaqa> what runlevel is boot directly into X? runlevel 4 or runlevel 5?
[07:13] <ClayG> qaqa, may i bother you again with a simple question for you
[07:14] <bhna> qaqa: 2
[07:14] <qaqa> ClayG: let it fly
[07:14] <qaqa> bhna: thanks.
[07:14] <ClayG> Let's say the machine you were using could not compile executables, you must use what is provided with the os.  
[07:14] <bhna> qaqa: 2 in ubuntu 5 in suse, fedora ...
[07:14] <qaqa> bhna: ah! confusing!
[07:14] <qaqa> ClayG: ok...
[07:15] <ClayG> lol
[07:15] <ClayG> Anyhow, besides vi and vim what other text editors are there
[07:15] <ClayG> something a simpleton like me could understand
[07:15] <prxq> ClayG: have you tried emacs?
[07:16] <prxq> has menus and stuff.
[07:16] <ClayG> oh and there is no X/gui everything needs to be cli
[07:16] <qaqa> ClayG: well, you can still use nano..mcedit..
[07:16] <ClayG> I will try that now
[07:16] <ClayG> doesn't have mcedit on it
[07:16] <qaqa> ClayG: emacs is a little difficult to pick up
[07:16] <ClayG> Has nano though, looks good
[07:16] <qaqa> ClayG: do you have admin rights on the server?
[07:16] <ClayG> no
[07:17] <qaqa> ClayG: you can try edlin ;)
[07:18] <ClayG> says it is not found
[07:18] <qaqa> ClayG: lucky!
[07:18] <ClayG> nano looks like something I would be able to understand
[07:18] <ClayG> ?
[07:18] <qaqa> ClayG: It's a line editor  - you edit the file one line at a time!
[07:18] <qaqa> ClayG: preceded vi. vi was the first "visual" editor 
[07:18] <ClayG> can you only see one line at a time as well?
[07:19] <qaqa> ClayG: I think so
[07:19] <ClayG> to remove a directory and all files in it?
[07:19] <ClayG> rm /dir/*?
[07:20] <qaqa> ClayG: and rmdir <dir>
[07:21] <qaqa> ClayG: I think you can rm -R <dir> to remove dir and contents
[07:21] <teprrr> Riddell, do you happen to know if it's known that update-menus.real sigsegvs on breezy?
[07:21] <qaqa> ClayG: be careful though..make sure you're in the right directory
[07:22] <ClayG> last command worked
[07:22] <ClayG> rm -R <dir> (whats the -R for? , tell it to shut up and do it? lol)
[07:23] <qaqa> ClayG: -R = recursive. -f tells it to shut up
[07:26] <ClayG> I wish this shell had irc
[07:26] <ClayG> is there anything the predated irssi that may come bundled with this?
[07:27] <ClayG> It will not let me locate either
[07:43] <Patrick`> I'm trying to use xfce4 instead of kde but it's harder to stop using KDE than it is to quit islam
[07:43] <Patrick`> tried everything
[07:44] <Patrick`> update-alternatives, uninstalling parts of kde
[07:44] <Patrick`> chicken voodoo
[07:47] <jjesse> Patrick`: just install ubuntu or kubuntu as "server" then apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:47] <Patrick`> someone just answered me in #ubuntu, but ta
[07:48] <Patrick`> jjesse: to be honest, if I was going to reinstall, I'd just switch to gnome instead
[07:48] <Patrick`> I got this laptop, I thought it could handle kde, but it just dies of swap death after a few days
[07:48] <Patrick`> used xfce4 before, liked it
[07:49] <jjesse> i install ubuntu-server and wanted the gui so i went w/ xubuntu
[07:49] <PokerFacePenguin> anyone know how to set the default timezone from UTC to GMT?  NTP syncs keep changing my bios clock
[07:50] <manveru> PokerFacePenguin: you are using your computer with windows?
[07:50] <PokerFacePenguin> manveru: kubuntu
[07:50] <manveru> only kubuntu?
[07:50] <manveru> then it is no problem, right?
[07:50] <PokerFacePenguin> manveru: 2 partitions, ubuntu and kubuntu
[07:51] <manveru> oO
[07:51] <Patrick`> PokerFacePenguin: hah
[07:51] <Patrick`> that solves it, I suppose
[07:52] <manveru> well, you know - it is the standard-behaviour so set it to UTC - so every user on the system can get the correct time
[07:52] <PokerFacePenguin> does anyone know how to change the default?
[07:52] <Patrick`> PokerFacePenguin: use debian for 3 years 
[07:52] <Patrick`> worked for me ^_^
[07:52] <Patrick`> although I pulled most of my hair out
[07:52] <PokerFacePenguin> Patrick`: u got a solution?
[07:53] <ClayG> man konqueror doesn't want to run for shit
[07:53] <Patrick`> PokerFacePenguin: nope, my time "just works"
[07:53] <Patrick`> if I tried to help I'd be wasting your time
[07:54] <ClayG> PokerFacePenguin, how about right clicking the time on your desktop going into prefs and unlicking the UTC box
[07:54] <ClayG> perfs or properties
[07:55] <Tm_T> raphink: sir
[07:55] <raphink> yep Tm_T ?
[07:55] <PokerFacePenguin> ClayG: there is no "checkbox" to unclick the UTC
[07:55] <Tm_T> raphink: it does work :)
[07:55] <raphink> great :)
[07:55] <raphink> thanks Tm_T 
[07:56] <Tm_T> raphink: though weird, first some graphics and then back to "normal" linux boot text in black -stream =)
[07:56] <raphink> :)
[07:56] <dennis_p> You can have the system clock in local time (windows compatible) or international time (unix superior) what do you want?
[07:58] <dennis_p> internation gets recalculated for each (unix) os and user optimaly
[07:58] <PokerFacePenguin> dennis_p: i want my local time to be GMT (EST) and not screw with the BIOS time by changing it to UTC.  Otherwise, I have to have New York time under the bottom of my clock.
[07:58] <manveru> you don't have to do that
[07:59] <dennis_p> well screwed but only in windows
[07:59] <manveru> right-click on your clock - configure
[07:59] <PokerFacePenguin> did that
[07:59] <PokerFacePenguin> says utc
[07:59] <manveru> oh wait - wrong menu :)
[08:03] <manveru>  hmm
[08:03] <dennis_p> you can change time and time zone in kubuntu but if you want to dual boot in windows you have to dumb down your systemclock to be usable in 1 local time only.
[08:03] <manveru> ok, my menu is gone
[08:03] <manveru> i should complete my 3.5 update now
[08:04] <PokerFacePenguin> dennis_p: my local time shows up as UTC....How would I change local time to be GMT?
[08:05] <dennis_p> system in k-menu
[08:05] <dennis_p> date and time icon
[08:06] <PokerFacePenguin> dennis_p: i dont run windows, ubuntu and kubuntu...when it syncs with NTP to the north-america pool, it changes my local time to UTC time...which means to see my local time, i must change timezone to NewYork, and it shows that at the bottom of the clock
[08:09] <manveru> PokerFacePenguin: you have to configure your profile to say you are in NY
[08:10] <manveru> PokerFacePenguin: then you can choose local timezone
[08:10] <manveru> can't help you right now - my old kde is just falling apart
[08:10] <dennis_p> if changes in date and time were unsuccesfull, try to change the system clock usage with 'sudo base-config' and select your correct location
[08:11] <Tm_T> sucky
[08:11] <Tm_T> amaroK and GL are both segfaulting
[08:11] <dennis_p> manveru: after upgrading to kde 3.5 you have to restart KDE
[08:12] <PokerFacePenguin> there you go....thats probably what i need...i bet ubuntu partition screwed with the bios when i installed it
[08:12] <manveru> dennis_p: i know... it's the after-part... i'm just building a new kernel in between
[08:12] <dennis_p> ah
[08:12] <manveru> so, almost done
[08:13] <manveru> cu later guys
[08:16] <PokerFacePenguin> dennis_p: thanks for the tip...gonna reboot and set my bios by hand to see if it changes again to another tz
[08:23] <manveru> nice... nothing too new - but quite enjoyable
[08:25] <PokerFacePenguin> dennis_p: just wanted to tell you that sudo base-config did the trick to reset my local
[08:25] <PokerFacePenguin> dennis_p: appreciate it
[08:27] <dennis_p> cool
[08:32] <Knowerrors> Anybody whos upgraded to kde 3.5, do you know if ivman should be modified or removed for the new media insert features to work?
[08:38] <gsuveg> me the acpi isnt works :(
[08:39] <JakubS_> Knowerrors: i guess you can get rid of ivman entirely
[08:39] <Knowerrors> JakubS_: delete the file or clear it out?
[08:39] <JakubS_> apt-get remove ivman :-)
[08:40] <_martin> My DVD drive seems to be running in PIO mode (horribly laggy while playing DVD's in VLC or Ogle). How do you enable DMA??
[08:40] <Knowerrors> the reason I ask, is I thought with kde 3.5, when you insert an audio cd, or usb stick or other device, a window should pop up asking you for an action on it, like in XP...
[08:40] <Knowerrors> and mine didn't, just auto started KsCD to play audio cd
[08:41] <Knowerrors> hmmm, anybody else banned from #ubuntu?  wonder whats up with that
[08:41] <kkathman> banned?
[08:41] <gsuveg> Knowerrors: what you make for bann ?
[08:42] <kkathman> did you use an /away message??
[08:42] <Knowerrors> nope
[08:42] <jazwec> hi..please..when i want to shutdown my kubuntu system, it says power off, i can hear like the HDD is disconnecting but my PC stay turned on with black screen...could anybody help me?
[08:42] <kkathman> hmm well they are sometimes a bit temporamental there I guess
[08:42] <gsuveg> jazwec: kde 3.5 ?
[08:42] <Knowerrors> "/join #ubuntu   ...  [474]  #ubuntu You're banned from that channel
[08:42] <kkathman> they are getting the "linux" head :)
[08:43] <Knowerrors> JakubS_: did you uninstall ivman?
[08:43] <kkathman> I dont even know who to message on that Knowerrors :(
[08:43] <jazwec> qsuveg i think...i have kubuntu 5.10
[08:44] <Knowerrors> kkathman: can you join #ubuntu?
[08:44] <kkathman> lemme see
[08:44] <kkathman> yep
[08:44] <Knowerrors> hmmm, weird
[08:44] <jazwec> gsuveg no...3.4.3
[08:44] <kkathman> guess you could message Seveas
[08:45] <gsuveg> do you updraded it with apt ?
[08:45] <Knowerrors> kkathman: can you ask in there for me about my ban please? ;)
[08:45] <kkathman> Knowerrors: probably better if you did that...looks like Seveas is there and opped
[08:45] <kkathman> just /msg him
[08:46] <kkathman> prolly an incorrect ban mask
[08:46] <gsuveg> Knowerrors: are you registered your nick?
[08:46] <Knowerrors> yes
[08:46] <kkathman> maybe your nick wasnt registered?
[08:46] <kkathman> ohh hehe
[08:46] <Knowerrors> "-NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized"
[08:47] <anttu> hi
[08:47] <kkathman> Knowerrors: I'd try to /msg or /notice seveas if you could
[08:48] <anttu> would some one be able to assist me ?
[08:48] <Knowerrors> I tried /msg , he hasn't responded yet, will wait
[08:48] <Stele> anttu - what's your question?
[08:48] <Knowerrors> spoke too soon, just got at me
[08:48] <anttu> its about ati drivers
[08:48] <anttu> just wondering why it isint starting the graphical installation software
[08:49] <anttu> after writing ./ati driver.run thingy
[08:49] <anttu> it just starts it in the terminal :\
[08:49] <anttu> like this http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/Anttu87/kubuntuatidriver1.jpg
[08:52] <anttu> seems no one can help :(
[08:52] <Knowerrors> To anyone using kde 3.5, is it necessary to remove ivman to get the little options window to pop up when you instert new media?
[08:54] <Knowerrors> or what modification should be done to it?  If I try to remove it, it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop too
[08:54] <kkathman> Knowerrors: whats the story in #ubuntu ?
[08:54] <Knowerrors> I got back in :)
[08:54] <kkathman> I dont think you wanna remove :)
[08:54] <Knowerrors> seveas fixed it, didn't say why I was banned, some error
[08:55] <Stele> anttu - what is the problem?
[08:55] <Stele> the installer appears to be a terminal program
[08:55] <Stele> in fact, you should probably shut down X and run it from a shell
[08:56] <anttu> well i cant select all the options from that terminal version :P?
[08:58] <anttu> Stele: well if i install it through the terminal, with wich options should i do it
[08:59] <Knowerrors> ivman seems to be interfering with the new kde 3.5 actions...
[08:59] <anttu> Stele: should i install it using "Generate Distribution Specific Driver Package"
[09:01] <manveru> indeed, now configuring the network is fun again :)
[09:02] <jazwec> gsuveg so will you please help me?
[09:02] <jazwec> hi..please..when i want to shutdown my kubuntu system, it says power off, i can hear like the HDD is disconnecting but my PC stay turned on with black screen...could anybody help me?
[09:02] <gsuveg> jazwec: in what ?
[09:03] <Stele> anttu - i dont know, I used nvidia
[09:03] <Stele> but it is common to install video drivers from a shell
[09:03] <Stele> it's not like Windows
[09:03] <Stele> certainly there is a README/install doc that walks you through it
[09:04] <manveru> for ati?
[09:04] <jazwec> gsuveg with that turning off my kubuntu
[09:05] <gsuveg> jazwec: ok. what hw version, what acpi* version, and more info. what you make and other
[09:06] <jazwec> gsuveg mm this will be a problem, i think...i have kubuntu only 2-3 days...only think i know is that i have kubuntu 5.10 and kde 3.4.3
[09:09] <gsuveg> upgrade it
[09:10] <jazwec> gsuveg kde-upgrade?
[09:10] <gsuveg> apt-get upgrade
[09:11] <federico_lu> hello everybody! I get libtool errors like this one: "libtool: link: `/lib/libacl.la' is not a valid libtool archive" when compiling since I've done a dist-upgrade with apt-get yesterday. Is there a way to fix this?
[09:12] <jazwec> gsuveg ok i have it
[09:13] <gsuveg> then it need workin
[09:16] <jazwec> gsuveg dont have to set acpi?
[09:17] <kkathman> Knowerrors:  I think I see how you got banned :)
[09:17] <kkathman> Seveas doesnt know how to ban people properly :)
[09:18] <kkathman> either that or he has any auto script that bans drive-bys
[09:19] <federico_lu> did anyone answer my question? I'm asking because I've had a ping timeout and don't know if I received everything.
[09:21] <jbueler> I could really use some help getting my second monitor up and running is it as simple as finding the right driver for my video card or is there more to it?
[09:22] <Knowerrors> kkathman: "drivebys" is that if I joing a channel and don't post right away?
[09:23] <kkathman> no...thats if you enter...and leave within like 3-4 seconds
[09:23] <Tm_T> yu
[09:23] <Tm_T> hi kkathman 
[09:23] <arcanistherogue> hey, does anyone know how to get kxdocker to go on the top or the right of the screen?  ihate having a dock on the bottom of the screen
[09:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: I got amaroK broken again =)
[09:23] <kkathman> apparently seveas has an auto ban that bans a rather extensive portion of a network :)
[09:23] <Tm_T> kkathman: I'm that good ;)
[09:23] <kkathman> congrats Tm_T
[09:24] <Tm_T> kkathman: seems to be kernel issue though, 15-3 worked some times, 15-4 worked, now 15-5 and nogo
[09:24] <kkathman> Knowerrors: typically an address of a person is like 205.132.15.45   his ban does a 205.132* which basically could ban like half of a country
[09:25] <Tm_T> yup
[09:25] <Knowerrors> yowsa
[09:25] <kkathman> then I suppose he just manually releases then after a while...fairly abrupt control I'd say
[09:25] <Knowerrors> kkathman: are you using kde 3.5?
[09:25] <kkathman> he probably just doesnt know any better or he uses a predefined script that was poorly made
[09:26] <kkathman> Knowerrors: absolutely not...not untill it appears in the regular repos
[09:26] <kkathman> I want all the things to be synched first
[09:26] <kkathman> Riddell is working on that right now I hear.
[09:26] <Knowerrors> Im using it now :) works fine, but Ivman has a conflict... , thats all
[09:27] <kkathman> well not all the libs and apps are synched yet
[09:27] <Knowerrors> Does Riddell talk/read in here much?
[09:27] <kkathman> some...but he's pretty busy right now I imagine :)
[09:31] <kkathman> hey there LjL :)
[09:32] <LjL> hi
[09:32] <lordpatman> hi
[09:32] <kkathman> LjL: how are things in Italy today?
[09:33] <LjL> not too well, i'm in a hurry trying to get my X to accept remove clients
[09:33] <LjL> (a friend has just messaged me asking when he can come to take the scans i "have" made for him, except i haven't, and i need to get this stupid X to work for that)
[09:41] <LjL> damn... why is my X being started with "-nolisten tcp" even after i removed all references to that from every file that contained them in /etc
[09:41] <martinjh99> Evening - How do you configure SuperKaramba in 3.5??
[09:41] <martinjh99> LjL which way are you starting X?
[09:41] <LjL> KDM
[09:42] <martinjh99> Try having a look at /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc  other than that no idea...
[09:42] <LjL> i changed that already... but hold on
[09:42] <LjL> i'm not sure i restarted kdm after changing that actually
[09:42] <martinjh99> Its the ServerArgsLocal that you need to change.
[09:43] <bhna> martinjh99: what do you mean?
[09:44] <martinjh99> bhna> ServerArgsLocal specifies the paramaters that the X server gets launched with.
[09:44] <LjL> yeah stupid me, i hadn't restarted KDM
[09:44] <LjL> works now
[09:45] <martinjh99> :)
[09:45] <martinjh99> Glad to be of assistance
[09:45] <bhna> martinjh99: $home/.superkaramba
[09:45] <martinjh99> There is supossed to be a KNewHotstuff configuration so you can download stuff for it... 
[09:46] <martinjh99> Trying to find where I can access it...
[09:46] <Knowerrors> martinjh99: for me [K]  > utilities, desktop, superkaramba
[09:46] <eckhart> hi
[09:46] <LjL> i'll have to try this superkaramba thing sometime
[09:47] <eckhart> how can i remove all the kdevelop: * entries from my kmenu the clean way?
[09:47] <martinjh99> MMM I only have clipper and knotes... 
[09:47] <martinjh99> eckhart> right click on K and edit menu...
[09:48] <Knowerrors> martinjh99: you have the newest superkaramba installed?
[09:49] <martinjh99> Its supposed to come with 3.5...  I'm presuming I need to install all of the new KDE packages to get it.
[09:49] <martinjh99> Ahh not installed - Installing now... ;)
[09:50] <martinjh99> Why it need gtk1.2 and xmms I have no idea...
[09:52] <martinjh99> Anyone know where the KNewhotstuff dialog installs karamba themes to??
[09:53] <now3d> hi, i wonder if there is a way to get old mozilla-mailnews there is a broken dep with latest packages.. :(
[09:53] <now3d> "mozilla-mailnews: Depends: mozilla-browser (= 2:1.7.12-0ubuntu2) but 2:1.7.12-1ubuntu1 is to be installed"
[09:54] <hunika> Hello everybody! Can somebody help to me it's urgent
[09:54] <hunika> I need to install my canon i250 printer
[09:54] <now3d> hunika: what is the problem?
[09:54] <hunika> But Kubuntu does not include the driver
[09:55] <bhna> hunika: www.linuxprinting.org
[09:55] <hunika> ok I will try
[09:57] <bhna> hunika: i250 or bjc 250?
[09:57] <hunika> i250
[09:57] <MenZa`> KDE 3.5 in the Breezy repos yet?
[09:57] <hunika> not bjc
[09:57] <hunika> CANON i250
[09:57] <mart> MenZa`: yeah
[09:57] <mart> MenZa`: well
[09:57] <MenZa`> :o
[09:57] <mart> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[09:57] <hunika> So where can I get the driver ?
[09:57] <MenZa`> cba to add more repos
[09:58] <hunika> www.linuxprinting.org I can not find here
[09:58] <mart> "cba"?
[09:58] <MenZa`> can't be arsed, mart
[09:58] <MenZa`> it's going in the repos sometime anyway
[09:58] <mart> heh, cause it's so much effort to add a source :)
[09:58] <MenZa`> meh
[09:59] <MenZa`> I'm on my friggin windoze atm
[09:59] <MenZa`> :o
[09:59] <MenZa`> amaroK didn't play a track I tried to play
[09:59] <jrattner1> Will amarok play m4a files?
[09:59] <mart> anyone else find that the location bar in konqueror no longer gets focus when started?
[09:59] <bhna> hunika: so there is no driver for i250.
[09:59] <mart> jrattner1: think so
[10:00] <hunika> no no
[10:00] <jrattner1> mart, super
[10:00] <hunika> LjL can you help me please
[10:00] <now3d> anyone got time to see if there is a repository with working mozilla-mailnews breezy please..?
[10:01] <now3d> does anyone have a list of repositories please..?
[10:01] <hunika> I need to print my homework. And I need a CANON I250 driver for kubutu
[10:01] <hunika> kubuntu
[10:02] <LjL> hunika: try the bjc 250 driver -- it could be that they really are the same printer (or printing engine anyway). if not, then i'm afraid you're very out of luck!
[10:02] <hunika> for hp deskjet 3745???????????????????????????????
[10:02] <bhna> hunika: the driver is there http://www.canon.co.nz/products/printers/colour_bj_printers/i250_drivers.html in the middle
[10:02] <now3d> hunika: can you get PrinterDefinition from somewhere?
[10:03] <now3d> hunika: which font is that you type in..? I wish to instal it, as it just appears as ??? for me..
[10:03] <hunika> can I install rpm files in KUBUNTU?
[10:04] <mart> hunika: check the alien package
[10:04] <now3d> hunika: yes, with "alien"
[10:04] <LjL> hunika: it appears that your printer is supported by TurboPrint (http://www.turboprint.de/), which is not a free application, although it has a free trial -- but i think it watermarks your prints
[10:05] <hunika> But I can install the driver as I see from http://www.canon.co.nz/products/printers/colour_bj_printers/i250_drivers.html 
[10:05] <Flying_Eagle> hunika, no chance, that there is a deb- or tar.gz-file instead of a rpm?
[10:05] <bhna> hunika: you can use the canon linux driver with cups. no need for turboprint. the driver are in tar.gz.
[10:05] <lordpatman> cu
[10:05] <hunika> there is tar.gz
[10:05] <hunika> But I don't know how to install a tar.gz file
[10:06] <LjL> bhna: unless the drivers for that I250 printers have been added very recently, by googling shows it's not supported
[10:06] <LjL> by=my
[10:06] <Flying_Eagle> hunika, look into the README-file shipped with the tar.gz
[10:06] <ubuntu> Im testing kubuntu out now. Im a Debian fan and I must say it
[10:06] <ubuntu> is very slick !
[10:06] <Flying_Eagle> and if theres none, blame canon
[10:06] <hunika> ok
[10:07] <now3d> hmm... iam wondering if my text is being displayed..
[10:07] <mart> hunika: you can probably just unpack the tar.gz and then try to add a new printer, when it asks you for the driver, just tell it to use the ppd file 
[10:07] <bhna> hunika: her is an howto http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29255
[10:07] <hunika> ok
[10:08] <_hirs> hi
[10:08] <bhna> hunika: there is an link for an deb
[10:08] <mart> hmmph, I've had 5 bloody "sourceforge updates" today
[10:09] <MenZa`> Huzzah, Kubuntu & Ubuntu Linkbuttons added on blog =D
[10:10] <_hirs> why "get new themes" in kopete emoticons config dialog is disabled?
[10:10] <_hirs> as well as the chat window "get new..."
[10:11] <Tm_T> yes
[10:11] <_hirs> it's supposed kopete in 3.5 has support for kgethotnewstuff
[10:11] <Tm_T> khotnewstuff is too buggy
[10:11] <Tm_T> +get
[10:11] <now3d> does anyone know how I can disable KDM? I wish to just have a TTY login screen
[10:12] <_hirs> well, for downloading wallpapers work pretty well
[10:12] <Tm_T> _hirs: different thing
[10:12] <LjL> now3d: rcconf
[10:12] <Tm_T> styles & emoticons are multifile things
[10:12] <bhna> hunika: her is an german howto
[10:12] <mart> now3d: use update-rc.d
[10:12] <Tm_T> and there was too big issues with it, so it's disabled by default
[10:12] <Tm_T> _hirs: there is simple way to enable it if you like
[10:13] <Tm_T> no guarantee(tm)
[10:13] <_hirs> Tm_T: works more or less in superkaramba--
[10:13] <Tm_T> yes
[10:13] <_hirs> Tm_T: ok, only want to try
[10:13] <LjL> now3d: or just uninstall kdm if you're not gonna use it
[10:13] <Tm_T> it install stuff mostly fine, but removing is pain
[10:14] <hussam> I'm building amarok 1.3.6. and one of it's build dependencies is xmms.so I installed xmms. but the fonts in xmms are too big. How do I specify gtk1 app fonts?
[10:14] <_StarScream> are there 3.5 packages for ppc ?
[10:14] <MikeStyle> hi all, i just got a new sources.list file from a friend that worked for him under the same distro... but its not working for me and its giving me a cdrom error
[10:14] <_hirs> yes some themes doen't have option to remove..
[10:14] <Tm_T> _hirs: there is kgethotnewstuff related part in ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc
[10:14] <bhna> now3d: you have to diable the kdm script in /etc/rc2.d
[10:15] <bhna> now3d: man update-rc.d
[10:15] <_hirs> Tm_T: i'm unable to find it :/
[10:16] <Tm_T> _hirs: hmm, then you have to add line, if I just remember what it was =)
[10:17] <hunika> Hey guys I have a problem. I can not install the driver
[10:17] <hunika> I have managed to configure the system
[10:17] <_hirs> I'll try to find it later, btw I have tryed the webcam function and it works very well, but without audio :(
[10:17] <hunika> But when I write make then command not found
[10:18] <hunika> make install too
[10:18] <Tm_T> _hirs: audio is totally different thing
[10:18] <Tm_T> _hirs: not supported.
[10:18] <mart> hunika: you probably don't want to build it, just install the ppd
[10:18] <Tm_T> (yet)
[10:19] <_hirs> Tm_T: I figured out, there isn't  an audio tab in preferences
[10:19] <Tm_T> yu
[10:19] <mart> hunika: you've unpacked the tarball, yes?
[10:19] <Tm_T> rebooting once again ->
[10:19] <now3d> LjL, mart: thanks, got it disabled now.  I tried to apt-get remove kdm, but it wanted to remove other packages I needed, likekubuntu-desktop 
[10:20] <hunika> yes
[10:20] <hunika> And I have followed the instructions
[10:20] <hunika> it is not working
[10:20] <mart> hunika: is there a ppd file in the tarball?
[10:20] <LjL> now3d: apt-get or aptitude?
[10:20] <hunika> no
[10:20] <mart> hunika: find . -name *.ppd
[10:21] <mart> hunika: hmm, I thought there was one
[10:21] <mart> hunika: two seconds....
[10:22] <mart> hunika: http://download.canon.com.au/bj/i250linux/bjcups-2.3-0.tar.gz
[10:22] <mart> is that the one you got?
[10:23] <hunika> ok now what to do?
[10:24] <now3d> LjL: apt-get
[10:24] <andre> _hirs: you have to add "ForceNewStuff=true" to the ChatWindowSettings group in the kopeterc for GetHotNewStuff
[10:24] <LjL> weird
[10:25] <now3d> LjL: this is the output http://pastebin.com/444077
[10:25] <_hirs> andre: oh, thank you very much
[10:25] <bhna> hunika: have you read the howto? ther is an deb. downlod the deb and type in the terminal dpkg -i xxx.deb
[10:25] <andre> _hirs: np
[10:26] <Knowerrors> to anybody using kde 3.5- I turn on my camera on usb port, it asks to open in new window, so I do, then if brings up a blank page in konq after mounting it, and I have to manually browse to /mnt/sda1
[10:26] <hunika> where is the deb download?
[10:26] <LjL> now3d: oh, yes, but that's allright... i thought it was removing all *packages* from kubuntu-desktop
[10:26] <Knowerrors> shouldn't it go there directly?
[10:26] <uFo-Z> hellas all. simple question. is there a bug in the current kubuntu versino ? when i install it normaly, it wont start a kdm or kde or any x window manager
[10:26] <LjL> now3d: if it's just removing kubuntu-desktop itself, it's fine
[10:27] <LjL> now3d: if you remove *any* program that's part of kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop will be removed, because of the way apt works. but that's not a problem, as kubuntu-desktop doesn't really contain anything, but simply lists the packages that are part of it
[10:28] <bhna> hunika: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29255
[10:28] <Knowerrors> the camera also isn't showing up on the desktop as a usb drive or anything else
[10:29] <bhna> hunika: http://www.livux.org/otros/canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb !!!
[10:30] <now3d> LjL: ah, so it is ok to remove it, is kubuntu-desktop just a meta package?
[10:30] <bhna> now3d: yes
[10:31] <LjL> now3d: exactly. i asked if you were using aptitude because, with aptitude, that operation *would* have resulted in removing every package that's part of kubuntu-desktop
[10:32] <LjL> now3d: but with apt-get, you'll just remove the metapackage itself, not its dependencies
[10:32] <now3d> LjL: great! lucky for me I use apt-get!
[10:32] <now3d> ok, i'm going to reboot and give this changes a go. thanks for the help LjL and bhna
[10:32] <LjL> now3d: well, actually, i like aptitude much better... you just have to know the differences
[10:32] <now3d> before I go.. I wonder if either of you have ideas about mozilla-mailnews dependency problem...?
[10:32] <LjL> now3d: it would have shown you very clearly it was going to remove everything anyway ;)
[10:32] <LjL> no clue
[10:33] <kkathman> but aptitude has bugs and can cause widespread damage
[10:33] <LjL> kkathman: sure
[10:33] <now3d> LjL: ok, maybe i shold give aptitude a go later
[10:33] <mart> kkathman: bugs?
[10:33] <kkathman> aptitude will only work if you install that way also, so if you use apt-get then try to use aptitude, its a bit of a problem :)
[10:33] <kkathman> mart: yes
[10:34] <LjL> kkathman: not true. you simply won't get any advantage that aptitude gives, in that case -- so it would probably be kind of pointless. problems, no
[10:34] <kkathman> in many cases aptitude will do the same thing as apt-get...but for some odd reason, aptitude cannot access things in the repositories that apt-get can
[10:35] <kkathman> LjL: thats what I meant..yes
[10:35] <Knowerrors> I like Synaptic better than Aptitude, I just removed Kubuntu-desktop metapackage with Synaptic, and it didn't remove dependancies
[10:35] <mart> I've used both for ages, and never seen any weird behaviour.
[10:35] <kkathman> theoretically, aptitude should be able to get exactly the same things as apt-get but it doesnt
[10:36] <LjL> Knowerrors: really? i thought i'd heard that synaptic now used the same logics as aptitude
[10:36] <kkathman> I have experienced this first hand, as have several others and have logged bugs about it
[10:36] <hunika> I can not install that deb file
[10:36] <LjL> hunika: what with it?
[10:36] <now3d> kkathman: is apt-get theoretically the same as dpkg ?  I notice the --purge remove setting is different between apt-get and aptitude and filed a bug about it a while ago
[10:36] <Knowerrors> don't know, Synaptic has been around far longer than Aptitude, has more features, more powerfull, less bugs
[10:36] <LjL> now3d: no, it isn't!
[10:37] <bhna> hunika: wich errors?
[10:37] <LjL> now3d: apt-get *uses* dpkg to install packages
[10:37] <hunika> error processing install
[10:37] <LjL> now3d: dpkg has no idea what dependencies are, and what repositories are
[10:37] <kkathman> now3d: its a front end, but dpkg has more options....dpkg should be used for installed deb files
[10:37] <LjL> now3d: dpkg just installs .deb files
[10:37] <now3d> LjL: ah ok, so i guess apt-get just drops the --purge when it passes it on..
[10:37] <mart> LjL: now3d: sure dpkg understands dependencies
[10:37] <LjL> (well actually, it does know what dependencies are, it just can't get them)
[10:37] <LjL> yes mart you're right
[10:37] <bhna> hunika:  paste the errors to pastbin
[10:37] <mart> ah, that's different :)
[10:37] <kkathman> lol
[10:37] <LjL> now3d: uh, no
[10:38] <kkathman> dpkg has some very dangerous options that I hate giving out to newbies :)
[10:38] <LjL> now3d: "apt-get --purge remove <packages>" will work as you think it would
[10:38] <hunika> I can not, Does not lets me to copy the text
[10:38] <kkathman> so its always best to limit its use to dpkg -i <debfile>
[10:38] <LjL> hunika: ?
[10:38] <martinjh99> Does anyone know how soon FF1.5 is going to be in Breezy???
[10:38] <hunika> yes?
[10:38] <bhna> hunika: why?
[10:38] <hunika> I don't know
[10:38] <LjL> kkathman: and you should think twice even before doing that anyway =)
[10:39] <hunika> You are the genious in Linux
[10:39] <now3d> LjL: the --purge bit did not work, it left rc.d scripts when i had a IMAP server running, had to use dpkg --pruge remove to ditch it fully
[10:39] <kkathman> LjL: only if you know what you are installing :) correct :)
[10:39] <now3d> LjL: this was 6months ago.. so mabye it is fixed now..
[10:39] <bhna> hunika: do you use konsole?
[10:39] <LjL> now3d: a glitch i suppose, because i'm really sure apt-get supports "--purge"
[10:39] <hunika> yes
[10:40] <mart> now3d: you always need to use --purge to remove files in rc?.d, afaik
[10:40] <now3d> LjL: yeah.. it should have worked.. but it didnt! so i filed a bug!
[10:40] <bhna> hunika: then you can copy the errors
[10:40] <now3d> mart: i think you're right.. although i don't agree with that philosophy ;)
[10:40] <bhna> hunika: with the mouse and the menu. edit -> copy
[10:41] <now3d> ok, thanks for the help.. just going to reboot and see if i can get my two flat panels working and no kdm
[10:41] <now3d> bye
[10:43] <hunika> yes yes I am stupid
[10:44] <hunika> How should I try to install in konsole
[10:44] <hunika> So i open
[10:44] <hunika> than sudo apt-get and the file name/
[10:44] <bhna> sudo dpkg -i name.deb
[10:45] <bhna> hunika: after downloding the driver deb.
[10:45] <hunika> 1 min
[10:45] <bhna> hunika: sudo dpkg -i driver.deb
[10:47] <fatejudger> is anyone else having trouble with the News section of Kontact?
[10:47] <fatejudger> in KDE 3.5 that is
[10:47] <fatejudger> I can't get it to run
[10:47] <bhna> hunika: ??
[10:48] <LjL> fatejudger: no, it works like it used to for me
[10:48] <LjL> fatejudger: (and it used to work ;)
[10:48] <hunika> 1 minh
[10:48] <mart> fatejudger: works fine since I updated to 3.5.0, the beta was buggy I think
[10:49] <mart> so, anyone else find that the location bar in konqueror no longer gets focus when started?
[10:49] <mart> (in KDE 3.5.0)
[10:49] <hunika> I can not install
[10:49] <hunika> How can I get in Konsole
[10:49] <LjL> mart: indeed, it doesn't get focus... though i never even noticed that it did before ;)
[10:49] <hunika> to a directory by cd like in dos?
[10:49] <LjL> hunika: cd like in dos
[10:50] <bhna> hunika: cd
[10:50] <mart> :)
[10:50] <fatejudger> mart: did you upgrade from RC1?
[10:50] <mart> fatejudger: yeah
[10:50] <raphink> argh no compare bash with dos :S
[10:50] <raphink> argh
[10:50] <fatejudger> mart: and did you upgrade to RC1 from Beta 2?
[10:50] <bhna> ls - list directory contents
[10:50] <bhna> hunika: ls - list directory contents
[10:50] <mart> fatejudger: I guess so - don't remember
[10:51] <chimaera> hi.
[10:52] <raphink> hi chimaera 
[10:53] <fatejudger> mart: damn, I need the News
[10:53] <hunika> bhna writes to me this sudo: dpkg-i: command not found
[10:54] <mart> hunika: there's a space dpkg  -i
[10:54] <bhna> dpkg -i
[10:54] <bhna> hunika: dpkg -i
[10:54] <hunika> ok
[10:54] <CarstenP> I try to compile the newest vlc version. I already compiled scummvm some days ago, so i remembered the steps, but i want them to post again here, so you guys can tell me whether i a m doing the right thing.
[10:55] <chimaera> i have some problems understanding sudo/su/sudoers mechanisms. i want to allow my user to use several commands w/o pwd (synaptic, if-/iwconfig). if i put them into sudoers, i have to comment  %admin  ALL=(ALL) ALL, otherwise i'm still asked for my pwd. but if i comment this, the su doesn't work for systems settings anymore.. any ideas on this?
[10:55] <radogol> Hi, I m new here.
[10:55] <raphink> et la raison pour laquelle il y a un espace hunika c'est parceque dpkg c'est la commande et -i c'est une option.
[10:55] <CarstenP> first of all i downloaded the vlc source
[10:55] <bhna> radogol: hi
[10:55] <CarstenP> bunziped2 it and tar -xvf it
[10:55] <bhna> raphink: #kubuntu-fr
[10:55] <chimaera> CarstenP: hint: tar xvfj does both in one step ;)
[10:55] <CarstenP> now i remember that i have to "sudo apt-get build-dep vlc", right?
[10:56] <hunika> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:56] <hunika>  canon-i250_2.3_i386
[10:56] <radogol> I use debian. But I m going to try ubuntu at my brother's PC.
[10:56] <raphink> bhna: ooo I hd not noticed it was ejnglish LOOOL I'm getting tired
[10:56] <raphink> lol
[10:56] <raphink> hunika: and the reason why there is a space is because dpkg is the command and -i is the option
[10:56] <hunika> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:56] <hunika>  canon-i250_2.3_i386
[10:57] <hunika> I see but I hot this error anyway 
[10:57] <raphink> it's terrible when you don't even notice you're not writing in the right language
[10:57] <LjL> does it say anything else than just that?
[10:57] <raphink> lol
[10:57] <raphink> good idea radogol 
[10:57] <hunika> Errors were encountered while processing:
[10:57] <hunika>  canon-i250_2.3_i386
[10:57] <hunika> bhna: 
[10:57] <bhna> hunika: wich errors? please use pastebin
[10:57] <now3d> Hi, could someone point me to an FAQ about getting nvidia's drivers working with X on kubuntu please
[10:57] <radogol> Yeah, my brother is a total dummy
[10:58] <hunika> what is that I am new in the linux world. I use Kubuntu just for 2 weeks
[10:58] <bhna> !nvidia
[10:58] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia, or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=57368
[10:58] <mart> hunika: paste the error here : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[10:58] <raphink> radogol: and so?
[10:58] <radogol> ubuntu will be easy enough for him
[10:58] <raphink> radogol: you think only dummies use ubuntu?
[10:58] <bhna> now3d: !nvidia
[10:59] <mart> hunika: that's all? there wasn't more?
[10:59] <radogol> I reckon, ubuntu, as it is said, is a linux for human beings. For some kind of maniacs it is good
[10:59] <radogol> There is no root in ubuntu!!
[10:59] <raphink> radogol: ?
[10:59] <hunika> yes
[10:59] <radogol> And I just love to be a root :D
[11:00] <LjL> radogol: you can't be a superuser, don't you like the sound of that?
[11:00] <jmg> wheres firefox 1.5 packages for breezy?
[11:00] <raphink> then create one radogol :p
[11:00] <LjL> radogol: can't = can
[11:00] <kkathman> radogol: you can append "sudo" on all commands to execute at root level
[11:00] <raphink> radogol: just run `sudo passwd root' and you'll have a root passwd
[11:00] <raphink> if you really want a root
[11:00] <kkathman> raphink: shhhh
[11:00] <LjL> raphink: don't suggest doing that lightheartedly...
[11:00] <radogol> Yeah,I know. But I used to be slackware fan
[11:00] <bhna> hunika: ??
[11:00] <kkathman> yes please dont tell that to anyone
[11:00] <CarstenP> oh, has someone the checkinstall website handy?
[11:00] <hunika> yes I am here bhna:
[11:01] <kkathman> there is no need for root in Ubuntu
[11:01] <radogol> now i m fascinated in debian
[11:01] <hunika> I have posted the problem
[11:01] <raphink> kkathman & LjL : heh radogol seems to imply is a kind of great debian geek, so he knows what he's doing, right ? ;)
[11:01] <hunika> I have an hp dekjet 3745
[11:01] <LjL> http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
[11:01] <bhna> hunika: tell me more about the errors
[11:01] <hunika> Could you help me to install that
[11:01] <hunika> there are no more erros
[11:01] <hunika> erros
[11:01] <hunika> errors
[11:01] <kkathman> raphink: you'd be surprised how many messes we clean up because someone used "root"
[11:01] <raphink> kkathman: I totally agree though that there is no need for root
[11:01] <mart> hunika: can you paste the copy and paste the whole window where you tried it?
[11:01] <CarstenP> ubotu !checkinstall
[11:01] <radogol> Not geek, but a sophistacated user :D
[11:01] <ubotu> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, CarstenP
[11:01] <CarstenP> :(
[11:02] <hunika> ok
[11:02] <now3d> thanks, are there any prebuilt packages?  linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-k7  is present, but it has 7174 instead of 7667 like the other packages..
[11:02] <raphink> kkathman: I'm not surprised at all ;)
[11:02] <LjL> kkathman: well, that's because they chose "expert" install, mostly
[11:02] <CarstenP> ubotu !checkinstal
[11:02] <ubotu> CarstenP: I haven't a clue
[11:02] <kkathman> LjL: yep
[11:02] <mart> hunika: including the dpkg -i command up to the next command prompt
[11:02] <LjL> kkathman: (they get what they deserve in my opinion, but i've never said this)
[11:02] <radogol> There is a need of root account.
[11:02] <raphink> radogol: as a sophistacated user, you should be aware of the safety of using sudo
[11:02] <now3d> oh.. sorry it does provide nvidia-kernel-1.0.7667 ...
[11:02] <radogol> i m using my computer via ssh very often
[11:02] <CarstenP> i searched a website that showed the commandos to use checkinstall?
[11:02] <LjL> kkathman: (i've used debian for 4 years, and yet i don't feel i'm enough of an "expert" to start an "expert" install)
[11:02] <raphink> radogol: and so?
[11:02] <bhna> hunika: have you solved the priner-problem?
[11:03] <mart> radogol: I've heard of people get sacked for sshing into a box as root before, and not using sudo
[11:03] <LjL> actually, i've heard of (most sane) distributions *disabling* root access via ssh
[11:03] <raphink> LjL: the expert install has nothing special. I'd say it's the normal old debian install
[11:03] <radogol> Okey, it s a bit weird.
[11:04] <raphink> radogol: what is weird?
[11:04] <LjL> raphink: perhaps. i can't say because i haven't tried it -- *and that's precisely the point*
[11:04] <radogol> But root - is for experienced users.
[11:04] <CarstenP> LjL: last time you used that ubotu robot, and it told me sth about checkinstall wit a link? can you make that magic happen again?
[11:04] <radogol> For people who want just "use" computer
[11:04] <raphink> radogol: most ubuntu advanced users are previous debian users. You're not the only Debian fan here ;)
[11:04] <radogol> there is now need of root
[11:04] <bhna> !checkinstall
[11:04] <raphink> LjL: trust me you can go expert without a worry
[11:04] <ubotu> checkinstall is, like, totally, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CheckInstall
[11:04] <kkathman> radogol: I "use" my computer all day with out root
[11:05] <LjL> radogol: i still don't see what the need for root is, even for the rest of the people
[11:05] <radogol> What is nice in ubuntu: realeses every 6-months
[11:05] <kkathman> you dont have to be root all the time
[11:05] <raphink> LjL: you'll just have to set the sudo manually after the install, but that's about it
[11:05] <hunika> I will post to pastbin
[11:05] <hunika> all the text
[11:05] <hunika> I got a larger error now
[11:05] <hunika> :D
[11:05] <LjL> raphink: well, anyway, standard install worked well for me
[11:05] <raphink> LjL: ok :)
[11:05] <hunika> Sorry for being so stupig guys
[11:05] <kkathman> radogol...its a whole new way...try it..you'll like it
[11:05] <LjL> raphink: if i don't trust the installer, how am i going to trust the distribution?
[11:06] <raphink> LjL: I use expert when I want to install for people who want to keep windows
[11:06] <raphink> LjL: sure
[11:06] <bhna> CarstenP: !checkinstall
[11:06] <radogol> I know it new ;-) My roommate has installed ubuntu couple weeks ago
[11:06] <LjL> raphink: uh, standard install doesn't remove windows now does it
[11:06] <raphink> LjL: when I install a fresh install on an empty comp, I just use the standard install
[11:06] <LjL> raphink: you still can partition manually with standard install
[11:06] <kkathman> LjL: it can :)
[11:06] <raphink> LjL: oh really?
[11:07] <LjL> kkathman: not if you tell it not to =)
[11:07] <kkathman> well yah :)
[11:07] <kkathman> hehe
[11:07] <kkathman> of course
[11:07] <raphink> LjL: when I tried the standard install on a double boot system with Warty, it erased my old system as far as I remember
[11:07] <hunika> bhna????
[11:07] <LjL> raphink: yes
[11:07] <raphink> it might and must have changed though
[11:07] <bhna> hunika: yes
[11:07] <mart> hunika: you typed sudo dpkg -i twice
[11:07] <raphink> but after that I didn't try it for multiboot anymore ;)
[11:07] <LjL> raphink: it certainly has, erasing without asking isn't very nice
[11:07] <raphink> LjL: you said it ;)
[11:08] <hunika> hunika@nextra:~$ sudo dpkg -i canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb
[11:08] <hunika> dpkg: error processing canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb (--install):
[11:08] <hunika>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[11:08] <hunika> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:08] <hunika>  canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb
[11:08] <hunika> hunika@nextra:~$                                       
[11:08] <mart> hunika: It should be sudo dpkg -i canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb, but you typed sudo dpkg -i sudo dpkg -i canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb
[11:08] <raphink> today I found again an old review I had made of Ubuntu Warty PPC some months ago
[11:08] <mart> hunika: please don't paste here
[11:08] <CarstenP> I think i need to install ffmpeg "auto-apt run ./configure" tells me "configure: error: Missing header file ffmpeg/avcodec.h."
[11:08] <raphink> hunika: don't do taht again or you'll be kicked I'm afraid
[11:09] <hunika> I will paste to pastebin Sorry
[11:09] <LjL> radogol: if you simply want to be in a root shell for a while, and don't want to prepend "sudo" to every command, you can just type "sudo -i". there really is no difference between that and logging it as root
[11:09] <raphink> hunika: do you know autocomplementation in console?
[11:09] <mart> autocompletion, even :)
[11:09] <LjL> autocom\t
[11:09] <raphink> mart  : yes thanks
[11:10] <radogol> Sorry dudes, I have to leave
[11:10] <kkathman> somehow people think they arent a man unless they use root...its like psychological or something
[11:10] <raphink> lol
[11:10] <hunika> For me is like chineese. I have used windows for 15 years and now I Linux for me it is another wolrd
[11:10] <raphink> doh
[11:10] <raphink> hunika: do you know you can auto-complete names by pressing the tab key ?
[11:10] <radogol> kkathman - maybe you re right
[11:10] <hunika> no
[11:10] <raphink> so that you are sure to not be wrong with the name of the file
[11:10] <raphink> just type the beginning of the name
[11:10] <kkathman> radogol: nah...its psychological :)
[11:10] <raphink> then use the tab key
[11:10] <raphink> and it will complete 
[11:10] <raphink> so type
[11:10] <radogol> It s great pleasure to be a root D:
[11:11] <raphink> dpkg -i canon
[11:11] <raphink> and then (withot pressing enter) press the tab key to autocomplete 
[11:11] <hunika> it is not working
[11:11] <radogol> You re teaching people how to use tab in console, sweet.
[11:11] <kkathman> radogol: no...its just a power kick and lets face it...if you are the only one on the system...what difference does it make?
[11:11] <LjL> hunika: then you haven't downloaded the file, or don't have downloaded it in the right directory
[11:11] <raphink> radogol: you can buy a big red car too, and make a lot of noise in the streets, i fyou need to feel viril with something
[11:12] <kkathman> raphink:  lol
[11:12] <hunika> help me where should I donwload?
[11:12] <radogol> In my system there are a few users
[11:12] <hunika> ot paste???
[11:12] <kkathman> all the better to not be root
[11:12] <LjL> hunika: type "wget <address-of-the-file-you-are-downloading>" in the console
[11:12] <radogol> We are experimenting a lot with Linux
[11:12] <CarstenP> what do i have to download to solve this ffmpeg problem?
[11:12] <raphink> hunika: about pasting, you can paste in the pastebin : http://kubuntu.pastebin.com 
[11:12] <kkathman> oooooooooooo experimenting....again...all the better to not have root :)
[11:12] <radogol> Especially with network
[11:12] <LjL> hunika: like, "wget http://blah.com/foobar.deb"
[11:13] <hunika> i see
[11:13] <radogol> Ok, one the one hand you re right, on another one I. okey?
[11:13] <hunika> It is being downloaded again
[11:13] <LjL> radogol: no :)
[11:13] <mart> radogol: no!
[11:13] <kkathman> radogol: no
[11:13] <radogol> ufff - it s my first time using irc. so strange.
[11:13] <kkathman> ooo concensus
[11:13] <LjL> radogol: the only reasonable objection to the "ubuntu way" of using root is that the same password applies both to your user and, effectively, to root
[11:14] <raphink> huhu
[11:14] <ClayG> gnoiem
[11:14] <LjL> radogol: all other objections are simply flawed
[11:14] <radogol> It s obviuos
[11:14] <raphink> radogol: I see your greatest interest in debian is bugs 
[11:14] <Juerd_> LjL: Oh/
[11:14] <raphink> from your /whois
[11:14] <raphink> :)
[11:14] <bhna> hunika: wich is your download direcrtory for the canon*.deb?
[11:14] <LjL> Juerd_: ?
[11:14] <radogol> I m using testing, not unstable version :D
[11:14] <radogol> Etch 
[11:15] <hunika> I am downloading again using wget http://www.livux.org/otros/canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb
[11:15] <CarstenP> how can i solve "auto-apt run ./configure" tells me "configure: error: Missing header file ffmpeg/avcodec.h." ?
[11:15] <Juerd_> LjL: sudo is a scary idea, because your authorization remains valid for a while.
[11:15] <LjL> CarstenP: have you run "auto-apt update" beofre doing that?
[11:15] <LjL> CarstenP: actually, "sudo auto-apt update"
[11:15] <radogol> apt-get update ?
[11:15] <Juerd_> LjL: Ubuntu solves this partially by limiting the session to the tty
[11:15] <CarstenP> LjL: thanks i will try
[11:15] <LjL> radogol: no, that's actually auto-apt update
[11:15] <raphink> you're right radogol, after all, testing will not be frozen before 3 years or so, so you have time
[11:16] <radogol> eehhh
[11:16] <LjL> Juerd_: oh, "standard" sudo doesn't?
[11:16] <mart> CarstenP: apt-file search avcodec.h says the libavcodec-dev package has it
[11:16] <radogol> F for Freedom
[11:16] <radogol> Freedom of OS
[11:16] <hunika> LjL: I have managed to donwload wget http://www.livux.org/otros/canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb
[11:16] <Juerd_> LjL: Nope
[11:16] <hunika> After that?
[11:16] <LjL> mart: try auto-apt for your package searches instead of apt-file. you will find it's much faster
[11:17] <LjL> hunika: sudo dpkg -i canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb
[11:17] <Juerd_> LjL: Default sudo (at least in Debian sid) means everyone with your username gets root
[11:17] <bhna> hunika: open up the konsole type ls. do you see the deb?
[11:17] <radogol> Okey. See you later. Bye.
[11:17] <mart> LjL: I've used it before, but for single files, I find apt-file faster
[11:17] <LjL> Juerd_: oh, wow, that doesn't sound good
[11:17] <raphink> sure radogol, and don't get me wrong I love Debian :) even develop for it ;)
[11:17] <hunika> bhna: it is being installed I thinl
[11:17] <LjL> mart: uhm... i've measured something like 18 seconds for apt-file versus 2 seconds for auto-apt, with the same file..
[11:18] <bhna> hunika: after dpkg -i *.deb?
[11:18] <hunika> LjL: I had a problem I have pasted in the pastebin
[11:18] <mart> LjL: I haven't used auto-apt for about 5 years, and to be honest I didn't really persevere with getting it to work for anything except auto-apt ./configure 
[11:18] <hunika> bhna: I had an error I pasted in the pastebin
[11:19] <bhna> hunika: where is the link to the pastebin?
[11:19] <LjL> mart: i'm only speaking about its single-file search facility right now
[11:19] <mart> hunika: the how-to says to use the --force-depends option
[11:19] <hunika>  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/
[11:19] <Juerd_> LjL: This disadvantage is only fixed by removing the time element from sudo
[11:19] <Juerd_> LjL: But then you need to type your password very often, which will result in people running "sudo bash" to get a shell instead of a single command.
[11:19] <raphink> hunika: it's better if you give http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/444176, but it's ok
[11:20] <hunika> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/444176
[11:20] <Juerd_> LjL: Which generally is a bad idea
[11:20] <mart> LjL: thanks, ubotu just scared the crap out of me :(
[11:20] <LjL> Juerd_: yes i suppose so. i think the ubuntu solution is a decent compromise though
[11:20] <raphink> hunika: try sudo apt-get -f install
[11:20] <LjL> mart: heh
[11:20] <raphink> see if that installs the missing packages huni
[11:20] <raphink> hunika: 
[11:21] <mart> LjL: I'm not even sure the docs said how to use it for a single file when I used it :)
[11:21] <hunika> raphink: it is being installed something
[11:21] <darkheart> What sound server does KDE use?
[11:21] <LjL> mart: "auto-apt check <pathname>", which is faster, or "auto-apt search <regexp>"
[11:21] <mart> Juerd_: you only need to type it once per terminal
[11:21] <LjL> mart: i've found both to be faster than apt-file
[11:21] <raphink> hunika: it must install the missing dependencies for your package
[11:21] <Juerd_> LjL: The word "compromise" is a bad one, in the context of security.
[11:21] <hunika> Ok
[11:21] <raphink> darkheart: artsd
[11:21] <mart> LjL: thanks, trying it now
[11:22] <hunika> raphink: After that I should try to install again canon driver?
[11:22] <Juerd_> mart: Either you haven't read the entire conversation, or you don't understand everything I've said. 
[11:22] <LjL> Juerd_: bad or not bad... if you don't do that, people will just be going to start root shells -- as you said
[11:22] <raphink> hunika: no it should be installed
[11:22] <darkheart> raphink: Would you happen to know how I can get a command line player to play a song while xmms is running?
[11:22] <mart> Juerd_: hmm.  guess I must have missed a bit
[11:22] <LjL> Juerd_: myself, i'll tell you i almost invariably had a root shell open when i wasn't using ubuntu
[11:22] <raphink> hunika: did you have a message : Configure canon etc ... ?
[11:22] <Juerd_> LjL: A better solution would be to have bash and sudo collaborate.
[11:22] <hunika> no
[11:22] <LjL> Juerd_: like what?
[11:23] <raphink> darkheart: artsplay ?
[11:23] <mart> Juerd_: I don't get why anyone would type sudo bash
[11:23] <hunika> raphink: I will past other errors in pastebin
[11:23] <hunika> 1 minute
[11:23] <kkathman> mart me either
[11:23] <darkheart> raphink: Awesome. Thanks.
[11:23] <bhna> sudo apt-get install libtiff3g libglade0 libpng2 libcupsys2
[11:23] <uFo-Z> after installing ubuntu, i am getting a fauilier, that there is no .xsession file and Xservers send me back to tty
[11:23] <Juerd_> LjL: Well, sudo could check the parent PID as well as the TTY
[11:23] <LjL> mart: they could type "sudo -i" or something, but anyway, the basic idea is the same
[11:23] <Juerd_> LjL: That'd help.
[11:23] <kkathman> it sounds like an esoteric discussion to me...probably should be in a devel channel
[11:23] <raphink> bhna: -f should do it, too
[11:24] <kkathman> its a bit dangerous to talk that in  here
[11:24] <hunika> raphink: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/444182
[11:24] <raphink> hehe
[11:24] <bhna> raphink: ;-)
[11:24] <LjL> Juerd_: uuh... not sure what you mean, you mean so that child processes of the stuff you launch should have root privs revoked?
[11:24] <Juerd_> mart: sudo foo > no_access_to_write_this_thing
[11:24] <raphink> hmm
[11:24] <hunika> Sorry I don't know why is so difficult to install a printer
[11:24] <raphink> hunika: try sudo apt-get -f install 
[11:24] <Juerd_> LjL: No.
[11:24] <raphink> hunika: again, to be sure
[11:24] <hunika> AGAIN
[11:24] <raphink> ;)
[11:25] <Juerd_> LjL: sudo authorizes if you're within the time limit, and on the same TTY as when you authenticated
[11:25] <raphink> hunika: use the up arrow, that'll write it again ;)
[11:25] <kkathman> hunika: not all printers are hard..mine was very easy
[11:25] <mart> Juerd_: (sudo foo) > write_access_to_this
[11:25] <LjL> Juerd_: but isn't that precisely what ubuntu does?
[11:25] <Juerd_> LjL: But this still allows you to log out and re-login, and use the same sudo session.
[11:25] <raphink> get an HP printer and that'll be very easy :D :D
[11:25] <hunika> hehe Mine is getting to be very hard toooooooo hard
[11:25] <kkathman> yep
[11:25] <kkathman> hehe
[11:25] <raphink> hehe
[11:25] <LjL> Juerd_: oh i see
[11:26] <hunika> raphink: I have installed again, So what to do
[11:26] <Juerd_> LjL: Now, if it'd check the parent PID (i.e. that of the calling shell), you'd have to go through a lot of trouble to re-use a session
[11:26] <raphink> hunika: do you still have errors ?
[11:26] <Juerd_> Still not impossible, but much harder, and the solution is usually very noticeable :)
[11:26] <bhna> hunika: dpkg -i canon*.deb
[11:26] <Juerd_> mart: How does that work? The > is still outside the sudo.
[11:27] <mart> Juerd_: well, it means your normal user gets to access the file...
[11:27] <LjL> Juerd_: well i'm far from a security expert, but i think the real solution to this kind of things will come with SELinux (or something based on the same principles anyway), all the rest being basically just patches that don't really solve the root (!) of the problem...
[11:27] <mart> Juerd_: maybe I misunderstood ...
[11:27] <raphink> hmm hunika it seems the pb is with libtiff3g, which doesn't exist on ubuntu
[11:27] <Juerd_> mart: File? But it's the directory that I can't write in.
[11:27] <hunika> raphink: I have still errrors, the same errors
[11:27] <Juerd_> mart: root could, but I'm not root.
[11:27] <raphink> hunika: give me one minute ok?
[11:27] <hunika> ok
[11:27] <Juerd_> mart: And the > isn't under sudo
[11:27] <bhna> hunika: sudo apt-get install libtiff3g
[11:28] <hunika> raphink: I am getting lost in Linus :D :D
[11:28] <Juerd_> LjL: Direct root access isn't necessarily a problem. Mis-use of it is.
[11:28] <bhna> hunika: then dpkg -i canon*.deb
[11:28] <raphink> hmm
[11:28] <raphink> libtiff3g is an old package that has been removed
[11:28] <Juerd_> LjL: I would never configure a machine I don't have physical access to without a real root password.
[11:28] <LjL> Juerd_: but i know and you know that misuse is, by experience, very common
[11:28] <mart> Juerd_: sudo sh -c "cmd > file"
[11:28] <raphink> bhna: no, there is a dependency issue with libtiff3g
[11:28] <hunika> raphink: I have error with installing the package  libtiff3g
[11:28] <Juerd_> LjL: sudo is a great policy, not a great only-solution.
[11:29] <raphink> yes I know hunika, it doesn't exist
[11:29] <Juerd_> mart: Hard to type, so I type sudo bash.
[11:29] <raphink> so wait a min hunika I'm searching for a solution
[11:29] <LjL> Juerd_: i was talking about SELinux in fact
[11:29] <Juerd_> mart: I know there are ways of doing it, but it has to be easy.
[11:29] <hunika> raphink: thanks for being so gentle with me :D
[11:29] <hunika> bhna: you too
[11:29] <bhna> raphink: i see. its an old deb.
[11:29] <Juerd_> mart: If my rubbish bin is not next to my desk, I will keep rubbish on my desk, for I am too lazy to walk.
[11:30] <raphink> bhna: yes it's in hoary
[11:30] <Juerd_> mart: I know how shells, pipes, etc work.
[11:30] <mart> Juerd_: well, I can't help you with laziness :)
[11:30] <bhna> raphink: alien canon*rpm could a solution?
[11:30] <mart> isn't it just a missing libtiff3g now?
[11:30] <raphink> bhna: I'd rather rebuild the package if possible
[11:31] <raphink> not sure the source can be found though
[11:31] <LjL> Juerd_: i think it's be very easy to write a script to avoid that sudo sh -c "stuff" thing in any case
[11:31] <raphink> hunika: where did you get this .deb ?
[11:31] <Juerd_> My main automated backup strategy is: tar -zc... | tee f | ssh u@h 'cat > f'
[11:31] <mart> raphink: off some link on the forums
[11:31] <LjL> Juerd_: not that i've tried it, but i suppose   sudo sh -c "$@"   would work
[11:31] <Juerd_> LjL: It gets harder the more variables you want to interpolate. And depending on which shell you want to interpolate it, it can become even much harder.
[11:32] <bhna> raphink: http://www.canon.co.nz/products/printers/colour_bj_printers/i250_drivers.html
[11:32] <hunika> raphink: from bhna http://www.livux.org/otros/canon-i250_2.3_i386.deb 
[11:32] <Juerd_> LjL: After a while, you choose the easy way out, which is getting a root shell.
[11:32] <raphink> mart: it's not missing, debian reports there were security issues with libtiff3g
[11:32] <mart> raphink: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/444182
[11:33] <raphink> yes mart that's why I think it depends on a library that shouldn't be installed anymore
[11:33] <raphink> but we can try to install it though ;)
[11:33] <raphink> that might set it right
[11:33] <raphink> the weird thing is that
[11:33] <mart> how about just installing the ppd?
[11:33] <raphink> libtiff4 should replace libtiff3g
[11:33] <mart> it's got to be easier.
[11:34] <raphink> so maybe installing libtiff4 would set the issue
[11:34] <raphink> let's try it
[11:34] <raphink> hunika: sudo apt-get install libtiff4
[11:34] <mart> raphink: no, it might replace it, but it won't provide it
[11:34] <raphink> hunika: then try to run dpkg -i *.deb again
[11:34] <raphink> mart: hmm 
[11:34] <raphink> :s
[11:35] <raphink> doesnt cost much to try
[11:35] <hunika> raphink: same errors
[11:35] <raphink> mart I don't see a .deb in the webpage you gave me
[11:36] <bhna> raphink: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=29255
[11:36] <raphink> hunika: ok wait
[11:36] <mart> there's a ppd in the bjcups package
[11:36] <mart> this bjcups package http://www.canon.co.nz/products/printers/colour_bj_printers/i250_drivers.html
[11:36] <cmobrien> It's smbmount that can mount a directory from samba, correct?
[11:36] <mart> hunika: try this
[11:37] <mart> wget http://download.canon.com.au/bj/i250linux/bjcups-2.3-0.tar.gz
[11:37] <raphink> mart: well I'd say let's build from source ;)
[11:37] <raphink> yep mart 
[11:37] <mart> raphink: no need to build anything
[11:37] <raphink> or even make a nice package out of it for out ubuntu fellows using it
[11:37] <mart> just use the ppd
[11:37] <raphink> ok
[11:37] <hunika> mart: I have downloaded wget http://download.canon.com.au/bj/i250linux/bjcups-2.3-0.tar.gz
[11:37] <hunika> mart: After that?
[11:38] <mart> hunika: tar -zxf bjcups-2.3-0.tar.gz bjcups-2.3-0/ppd/canoni250.ppd
[11:38] <hunika> mart: after that?
[11:38] <hunika> mart: nothing special happened
[11:38] <mart> hunika: no, it won't have
[11:38] <hunika> mart: so?
[11:39] <mart> hunika: now go to the K menu, and system settings
[11:39] <hunika> mart:yes
[11:39] <mart> hunika: then printers
[11:39] <hunika> mart: I am there
[11:39] <mart> then click add
[11:39] <mart> hunika: you see the add printer wizard?
[11:39] <hunika> yes: i have choosen canon brand
[11:40] <mart> hunika: I'll try it now
[11:40] <raphink> hmmm
[11:40] <mart> hunika: so Local Printer, ...
[11:40] <mart> then on the Printer Model selection, click Other
[11:41] <hunika> mart: then?
[11:41] <hunika> mart: i choose the ppd file?
[11:41] <mart> hunika: then you should have a file dialog box, where you can find the bjcups-2.3-0 dir
[11:41] <mart> and then pick the ppd file withing that
[11:42] <hunika> mart: the system recognized
[11:42] <hunika> mart: it is canon i250
[11:42] <mart> hunika: Test?
[11:42] <mart> (Next then Test)
[11:42] <hunika> Printer is not working
[11:43] <raphink> hunika: when testing, don't click "ok" before having waited enough
[11:43] <hunika> ok
[11:43] <chaoticgeek> hey all
[11:43] <hunika> My printer is not working
[11:43] <raphink> :(
[11:43] <bhna> raphink: i think this is an gdi printer and you have the special canon driver. the ppd think works only with postscript printers
[11:43] <hunika> sad
[11:44] <raphink> hmm
[11:44] <hunika> i should choose post-script
[11:44] <raphink> bhna: the libs can be built from the tar.gz
[11:44] <mart> can ppds invoke system commands?
[11:44] <raphink> hunika: go to the console again
[11:44] <hunika> raphink: yes?
[11:44] <raphink> then go to the place where you have downloaded the tar.gz
[11:45] <raphink> and run
[11:45] <hunika> how should i run and go there?
[11:45] <hunika> with cd like in dos?
[11:45] <raphink> tar -xvf bjcups-2.3-0.tar.gz
[11:45] <raphink> yes with cd
[11:45] <bhna> raphink: this is in german but for breezy http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Canon_i250
[11:45] <raphink> bhna: let's see
[11:46] <slow-motion> n8
[11:46] <raphink> I don't like to use alien
[11:46] <raphink> I try to avoid it
[11:46] <mart> uses libtiff3g too
[11:46] <bhna> raphink: bad bad libtif3 depency
[11:46] <raphink> indeed bhna 
[11:46] <hunika> raphink:
[11:46] <hunika> I think now worked
[11:46] <hunika> What should I do now?
[11:46] <raphink> if we could get the package source for this deb
[11:47] <raphink> the we could change it to libtiff4
[11:47] <raphink> hunika: cd libs
[11:47] <raphink> then
[11:47] <raphink> make
[11:47] <hunika> but the file made itsseld
[11:47] <hunika> I can not access libs
[11:47] <raphink> hunika: ?
[11:47] <hunika> no such file or directory
[11:47] <raphink> oh sorry
[11:47] <bhna> raphink: you can change the depency in the deb with ark
[11:47] <raphink> I mean
[11:48] <mart> hunika: cd bjcups-2.3-0/libs
[11:48] <raphink> cd into the folder first
[11:48] <hunika> mart: i am there
[11:48] <hunika> cd bjcups-2.3-0/libs
[11:48] <raphink> bhna: hmm never tried that...
[11:48] <raphink> I'll try
[11:48] <mart> assuming libtiff3g is binary compatible with libtiff4 :)
[11:49] <raphink> yes 
[11:49] <hunika> mart: what should i do i am in cd bjcups-2.3-0/libs
[11:49] <raphink> hunika: make
[11:49] <hunika> raphink: command not found
[11:49] <_shawn> hi.
[11:49] <mart> hunika: you need to do  "apt-get install build-essential"
[11:49] <hunika> :D :D :D
[11:50] <raphink> thanks mart 
[11:50] <raphink> ;)
[11:50] <hunika> raphink: I am getting bored
[11:50] <hunika> :D :D :D
[11:50] <hunika> raphink: I suppose you too
[11:50] <bhna> mart:  stop stop
[11:50] <_shawn> I'm getting this error when trying to upgrade to KDE 3.5
[11:50] <_shawn> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins_4%3a3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[11:50] <_shawn>  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/services/kfile_theora.desktop', which is also in package kdemultimedia-kio-plugins
[11:50] <_shawn> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[11:50] <_shawn> Errors were encountered while processing:
[11:50] <_shawn>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins_4%3a3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1_i386.deb
[11:50] <raphink> hunika: I'm fine, used to taht
[11:50] <bhna> _shawn:  pastbine please
[11:50] <raphink> _shawn: don't do that again, please, or you'll get kicked
[11:50] <raphink> use the pastebin
[11:50] <_shawn> ok
[11:50] <_shawn> but can anyone help?
[11:51] <hunika> how should I go out from a folder in konsol cd..
[11:51] <mart> hunika: cd ..
[11:51] <mart> you need a space there too
[11:51] <hunika> command not found :D
[11:51] <raphink> remove the kdmultimedia-kio-plugins first then upgrade again
[11:52] <hunika> I am here hunika@nextra:~/bjcups-2.3-0/libs$    cd.. is not working
[11:52] <hunika> raphink:??
[11:52] <mart> hunika: you need a space  - cd    ..
[11:52] <mart> not cd..
[11:52] <hunika> strange
[11:52] <raphink> cd ..
[11:52] <raphink> not cd..
[11:52] <raphink> there's a space
[11:53] <hunika>  apt-get install build-essential is not working
[11:53] <mart> hunika: never mind - I think bhna has another idea
[11:53] <raphink> mart: I can read the deb with ark, but not modify it
[11:53] <hunika> mart: please hurry I have to go here is 1 am
[11:54] <mart> raphink: it'd need to be unpacked, editted and packed
[11:54] <bhna> raphink: you have to install ac or somethink forgott it
[11:54] <mart> hunika: it's late here too :(
[11:54] <raphink> hmm 
[11:54] <raphink> and here too ;)
[11:55] <hunika> mart: I have school tomorrow and I am getting tired :D :D
[11:55] <mart> give up for now?
[11:55] <bhna> hunika: 23:56
[11:55] <hunika> bhna: 1:00
[11:55] <hunika> Guys I have another printer
[11:55] <conn> hi, has anyone here installed the DRI snapshots from http://dri.sf.net ?
[11:56] <hunika> HP DESKJET 3745
[11:56] <bhna> hunika: where are you?
[11:56] <hunika> Could we try to install this
[11:56] <hunika> bhna: romania
[11:56] <raphink> hmm
[11:56] <bhna> hunika: nice. whats the other printer
[11:56] <raphink> oh :)
[11:56] <hunika> bhna: you?
[11:56] <raphink> an hp should be easier thankfully
[11:56] <raphink> bhna: HP Deskjet 3745
[11:56] <hunika> HP DESKJET 3745
[11:57] <mart> well, I'm the type that really needs my beauty sleep - so I'm away to bed...
[11:57] <bhna> hunika: germany
[11:57] <raphink> gn mart 
[11:57] <fatejudger> does anyone here have KDE 3.5?
[11:57] <raphink> :)
[11:57] <fatejudger> the Final version
[11:57] <raphink> this is a european channel here tonnight :)
[11:57] <fatejudger> Kontact is missing a file
[11:58] <raphink> yes fatejudger 
[11:58] <fatejudger> and I was hoping someone could send it to me
[11:58] <hunika> bhna: good place. But I am a hungarian anyway. Probably you have heard about TRIANON
[11:58] <fatejudger> raphink: can you slocate libknodepart.la?
[11:58] <fatejudger> raphink: and then email it if you find it
[11:58] <hunika> Sorry guys leave it for tomorrow. I need a rest. But till then you can think about
[11:59] <hunika> it
[11:59] <bhna> hunika: the hp should work without problems http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_3740
[11:59] <raphink> fatejudger: libknodepart.la is not found in any package 
[11:59] <fatejudger> raphink: it shouldn't be
[11:59] <hunika> bhna: I will try now
[11:59] <fatejudger> raphink: do slocate libknodepart.la
[11:59] <raphink> nor by locate
[12:00] <Kevin72594> hey all, does anyone know how to mount an ntfs partition using ezdrive in kubuntu?
[12:00] <LjL> what's ezdrive?
[12:00] <raphink> hunika: for the HP, you should just have to go the control center and chose the printer
[12:00] <Kevin72594> that's what I said :)
[12:01] <raphink> hunika: but canon printers are just terrible on linux
[12:01] <Kevin72594> LjL: it's something that windows uses for large drives on old comp.  although I dont' think it was necessary in this case, but it was still used
[12:01] <raphink> Kevin72594: if it's a windows tool, why do you want to use it in kubuntu?
[12:01] <raphink> o_O
[12:01] <LjL> Kevin72594: i don't know about it, but NTFS support in linux is suboptimal, so i'm not sure you'll have much luck if you have it on a non-standard-partitioned HD...
[12:01] <bhna> raphink: hunika: good night. its to late for me.
[12:02] <raphink> gn bhna 
[12:02] <Kevin72594> raphink: the fs type in fdisk is EZDRIVE< I'm trying to mount it so I can read stuff off of it to backup on this comp. I just installed kubuntu on
[12:02] <Kevin72594> so i can repartitiuon it to reiser or something
[12:02] <LjL> what happens if you just try mounting it the standard way?
[12:02] <Kevin72594> error
[12:03] <LjL> what sort of error?