[02:18] <mhz> I think I finished a SVG file for some invitations I will hand in to teachers and parents at a local schol
[02:18] <mhz> school
[02:19] <mhz> However, when I print, it seems something's wrong because edubuntu logo gets a stupid line out of its round shape
[02:22] <mhz> BTW, i'm printing it 720x300 dpi
[06:01] <mhz> well, some little contrib. to edubuntu artwork has been wikied
[01:04] <Tm_T> hi kids
[01:04] <Tm_T> wtf
[01:12] <Tm_T> artnay: no themes to irssi, it's good he way it is
[01:33] <artnay> ok, opinion noted.
[01:33] <artnay> to-do updated
[02:05] <Tm_T> you checked msg I sent too?
[02:05] <Tm_T> and about backgrounds... is svg reguired?
[02:05] <Tm_T> I can do some :p
[02:06] <artnay> SVG is the preferred format
[02:06] <Tm_T> I thought so
[02:07] <artnay> damn, forums are down. bvc just sent me a message
[02:08] <artnay> no dice, disconnected :/
[02:10] <Tm_T> :/
[02:11] <artnay> first of all, we should link those projects to each other. what needs to be done before something else can be done etc.
[02:11] <artnay> then priorize them
[02:12] <artnay> e.g. we first need navigation icons before fx theme can be done
[02:12] <Tm_T> yu
[02:12] <artnay> we could think about the dependencies now and then list them to to-do list/wiki
[02:13] <artnay> are you guys willing to help us? :o
[02:14] <Tm_T> I'm just spying here ;)
[02:14] <Tm_T> I'll help if I can, but can't take much responsibility atm, too much projects already
[02:15] <Tm_T> maybe in february or may I have more time
[02:16] <artnay> it's too late then
[02:16] <Tm_T> I thought so
[02:16] <artnay> artwork should be ready before mid March
[02:17] <artnay> then just finalize it before Dapper gets released
[02:17] <Tm_T> so I try february ;)
[02:17] <artnay> but the end of March is the max. deadline
[02:17] <artnay> before that all major artwork projects should be done
[02:18] <artnay> so we're running out of time unless we get more ppl
[02:18] <Tm_T> heh
[02:18] <Tm_T> that reminds me, supposed to do some Kubuntu backgrounds ->
[02:19] <artnay> provide an easy way humanize your KDE desktop
[02:19] <artnay> ;)
[02:19] <artnay> yeah, it's typo day today...
[02:19] <artnay> oh damn
[02:20] <artnay> it wasn't bvc who sent me a msg, some guy just asking how to pimp KDE :>
[02:20] <Tm_T> not me!
[02:20] <artnay> damn, I need the reply from bvc
[02:20] <artnay> he's been on forums many times since I sent the msg
[02:21] <artnay> I should probably just send that msg to volvoguy and see what he thinks. After all, he's the boss
[02:22] <Tm_T> ..nnooo
[02:22] <Tm_T> :p
[02:30] <Tm_T> about fonts: I prefer dejavu fonts
[02:41] <artnay> mhz: care to give us a link for your SVG?
[02:41] <mhz> sure! for which? (i usually upload SVG's)
[02:43] <artnay> the one you were talking about earlier
[02:43] <mhz> artnay: hehhe, sorry. in edubuntu?
[02:43] <artnay> mhz: yeah
[02:44] <artnay> always give us nice images if possible x)
[02:44] <Tm_T> is it possible ;)
[02:44] <mhz> artnay: i wish i could provide the best sources possible. However, i'm just staring generating files using Gimp or Inkscape
[02:46] <mhz> artnay: does this help? http://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuChileArtwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=tc_edubuntu_wallpaperV1.svg
[02:48] <artnay> mhz: not really, I'm at work (playing with this damn XP)
[02:49] <mhz> hehehe
[02:49] <artnay> and I don't have a proper SVG program here
[02:49] <artnay> makes me sad
[02:49] <mhz> artnay: but was that the link you wanted?
[02:49] <artnay> probably, thanks
[02:49] <artnay> I'll check it out later
[02:49] <mhz> artnay: np. please. any help is mostly appreaciated
[02:50] <mhz> (esp. since I feel totaly newbie here in artwork :) )
[02:59] <artnay> mhz: is there a png version available for web browsers?
[03:02] <mhz> artnay: of same? there's a jpg one. Select attachments on that page and you'll get ti
[03:02] <mhz> it
[03:06] <artnay> mhz: it's quite small
[03:07] <artnay> but good to see more stuff popping out :)
[03:08] <mhz> artnay: the JPG (not the png) is available if you use MoreActions -> Attachments. [del | get | view]  (32.7 KB) attachment:tc_edubuntu_wallpaperV1_s.jpg
[03:08] <mhz> that JPG is 800 x 600
[03:08] <mhz> afaik
[03:08] <mhz> artnay: the png (very small) is just meant as a preview
[03:09] <mhz> Moin has a plugin for galleries but not implemented in ubuntu sites
[03:09] <mhz> hence I create the small versions and 'attach' the normal ones
[03:09] <artnay> ok, now I see it clearly
[03:09] <mhz> :)
[03:11] <artnay> uhm, the idea is nice but a) maybe it's too much compressed as logo and those people seem kind of blurry b) the globe seems odd, countries are in wrong places etc.
[03:11] <artnay> but if it's meant for kids, it doesn't need to be photorealistic :o
[03:12] <mhz> artnay: hehehe
[03:12] <mhz> I agree with you. In the SVG all looks good but the missed placed countries
[03:12] <mhz> that's why i dont' understand why the PNG and JPG looks blurry
[03:13] <artnay> maybe you could take the same approach as i.e. worldatlas, draw all the countries there
[03:14] <artnay> that way you could get rid of the edges and countries could be placed even better
[03:14] <artnay> and then some "edubuntu ppl" walking here and there
[03:15] <artnay> I don't know, just an idea... don't take it too seriously :)
[03:15] <mhz> worldatlas? where?
[03:16] <artnay> I mean sort of flat version
[03:16] <mhz> oh
[03:16] <mhz> it has to be round. Ubuntu font and logo are round
[03:16] <mhz> so i meant to keep roundity :D
[03:17] <artnay> ;)
[03:17] <mhz> and the concept of earth united
[03:17] <mhz> is also round
[03:21] <mhz_house> artnay: if you know of any real cool GDM theme howto, please let me know. I tried yesterday and I realized XML is needed. Commented some parts/tags I didnt wanna use, but it did not work :(
[06:04] <artnay> mhz: http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/
[06:04] <artnay> that's all I have, don't use GDM anyways
[06:05] <artnay> I'm quite disappointed as there is no search utility at GNOME.org
[06:05] <artnay> are you supposed to use google? I guess
[06:05] <artnay> and why isn't there anything about creating themes at the homepage of GDM?
[06:06] <artnay> terrible
[06:06] <mhz> artnay: hence I asked
[06:06] <mhz> :)
[06:06] <mhz> personally, I dont use GNOME
[06:06] <artnay> me neither
[06:07] <mhz> i prefer wmaker perfromance or fluxbox
[06:07] <mhz> KDE is great but too heavy for me
[06:07] <mhz> too many buttons
[06:07] <mhz> :)
[06:07] <artnay> I understand. It needs tweaking in order to get it "simple"
[06:07] <artnay> it's too busy by default
[06:08] <artnay> oh, no answer from bvc :(
[06:08] <mhz> artnay: and the only knowledge i have about GDM is what ogra said (about backgrounds being 1600x1200) and what I see under /usr/share/gdm/
[06:08] <mhz> bvc?
[06:08] <ogra> mhz, i talked about wallpapers :)
[06:08] <artnay> mhz: one of artworkers
[06:09] <mhz> ogra: oh, sorry
[06:09] <ogra> 1600x1200 and 1600x1000 are the sizes we ship
[06:09] <mhz> ogra: artnay: I am testing this idea (1rst one) of the edubuntu and world for both GDM and wallpaper
[06:10] <mhz> ogra: why 2?
[06:10] <artnay> mhz: for 4:3 and 16:9
[06:10] <ogra> widescreen
[06:10] <artnay> different ratios
[06:10] <mhz> ahhhhhhh
[06:11] <mhz> and I can add a line to xorg (virtual)
[06:11] <mhz> to get real wider screen
[06:11] <ogra> throw your widescreen stuff at me ... i have a widescreen laptop
[06:12] <mhz> artnay: so once I feel work is ok in SVG. how do i make it look good for JPG and/or PNG?
[06:12] <mhz> ogra: ok
[06:12] <artnay> mhz: just export it (you're using inkscape, right?) and don't rape it by compressing it too much
[06:13] <mhz> artnay: export options gimme PNG only
[06:13] <mhz> and iirc, wallpapers need to be JPG and GDM uses PNG
[06:14] <mhz> artnay: and I will change the world image
[06:14] <artnay> mhz: the most idealistic format to be used as a BG is SVG
[06:14] <artnay> you can always export it to png/jpg/whatever, but if possible, make it SVG
[06:19] <mhz> artnay: sure BG will handle SVG?
[06:19] <artnay> mhz: at least in GNOME and KDE
[06:19] <mhz> artnay: i do prefer svg for everything
[06:20] <artnay> and if user for some reason doesn't want to use SVG, one can always export it
[06:20] <mhz> artnay: we are talking about wallpapers or backgrounds for Login display managers?
[06:21] <artnay> mhz: for desktop
[06:21] <artnay> I don't think GDM handles SVGs
[06:21] <mhz> artnay: so when you say BG you mean wallpaper?
[06:21] <Tm_T> well, KDE and Gnome might render svg differently than inkscape for example (they do I know, several issues with it)
[06:21] <Tm_T> so png is safe choice
[06:22] <artnay> yeah, sorry for the inconvenience
[06:22] <mhz> ogra: see? that's why get confused
[06:22] <ogra> all gnome apps handle svg fine ...
[06:22] <ogra> at least since cairo 
[06:22] <artnay> unless it has to scale to small sizes
[06:23] <Tm_T> yes, fine, but differently than some svg editors
[06:23] <mhz> so, to sum up... GDM and KDM prefer PNG. (ok, I'll se what it looks like) But, why a jpg wallpaper made in SVG and got exported to, looks so blurry?
[06:23] <ogra> thats a problem with svg, not the renderer
[06:23] <Tm_T> I had example somewhere...
[06:23] <artnay> mhz: is the original logo high res? is it SVG or some badly compressed .jpg?
[06:24] <artnay> sorry, png
[06:24] <ogra> Tm_T, if you find such a prob, please file a bug so we can solve it
[06:24] <artnay> then you resize it to be larger only to see that the quality is terrible
[06:25] <Tm_T> http://www.kapsi.fi/~tm_travolta/kuvat/temp/difference.png
[06:25] <artnay> ogra: it's well-known problem that SVGs don't scale very well to 16x16 or 22x22
[06:25] <ogra> artnay, yes, thats not a but
[06:25] <ogra> thats the nature of vector graphics
[06:26] <ogra> *bug
[06:26] <artnay> yep
[06:27] <artnay> Tm_T: I guess the development of sodipodi has been discontinued and that is why it has problems
[06:27] <ogra> yup
[06:27] <Tm_T> artnay: sodipodi and inkscape shows it pretty much same way
[06:27] <ogra> not in your screenshot
[06:27] <mhz> artnay: all I do so far is SVG only
[06:28] <mhz> no idea how to use GIMP the way I can use inkscape
[06:28] <artnay> Tm_T: no they don't. Konq and inkscape do it the right way there but sodipodi's shot differs from others
[06:28] <ogra> konq also has a bug 
[06:28] <Tm_T> artnay: konqi is that one in background... you see those round corners?
[06:28] <artnay> mhz: well I haven't learned GIMP either... always done things with photoshop
[06:28] <ogra> but what do you expect, its a browser, not a drawing app
[06:29] <ogra> Tm_T, so file a bug on konqueror 
[06:29] <Tm_T> ogra: that same ksvg renders wallpapers if you set KDE to use svg wallpaper
[06:29] <artnay> Konq always adds edges to SVGs
[06:29] <ogra> the rather a bug for ksvg
[06:30] <Tm_T> ogra: and gimp shows that same svg like ksvg do
[06:30] <artnay> if you click on a SVG file. but it on your desktop and it's drawn differently
[06:30] <mhz> artnay: oh, propietary soft :(
[06:30] <artnay> but put...
[06:30] <Tm_T> artnay: yu, and more and more
[06:30] <Tm_T> that's why wallpapers should be png
[06:30] <Tm_T> because youcan't be sure they are renderedd same way all the time
[06:31] <Tm_T> typo day :(
[06:31] <ogra> ubuntu wallpapers differ anyway between ubuntu/kubuntu ...
[06:31] <Tm_T> true
[06:31] <ogra> i dont think it matters
[06:31] <Tm_T> but I talk about svg as wallpaper in any case
[06:31] <Tm_T> whatever its kubuntu, ubuntu, or something else
[06:31] <Tm_T> imho bad idea
[06:32] <artnay> mhz: I don't use it anymore. I've been learning PS things because my school and former work place had only PS to offer
[06:32] <Tm_T> over and out ->
[06:32] <artnay> well the BG can always be exported to png before the release
[06:32] <Tm_T> please do
[06:32] <Tm_T> ->
[06:32] <artnay> but if you release a BG for others, make it as SVG
[06:33] <artnay> that way it's easy to change colours, add things etc.
[06:33] <mhz> ok, me happier with SVG only
[11:11] <lllmanulll> Hey there
[11:11] <lllmanulll> I designed three new "tango style" icons for session management (Reboot, Shut Down, Log Out)
[11:11] <lllmanulll> http://www.manucornet.net/GNOME/session_icons/
[11:11] <lllmanulll> Any thoughts ?
[11:11] <lllmanulll> Any ideas for the Hibernate one ?
[11:14] <ogra> sheep jumping ?
[11:14] <ogra> in a row
[11:15] <lllmanulll> Hmm, I'm afraid it would be a little too comlplex ?
[11:15] <lllmanulll> These will be rather small icons
[11:15] <lllmanulll> no ?
[11:18] <ogra> yup, likely 
[11:18] <ogra> but a zzzZZZZ wouldnt be good either 
[11:40] <lllmanulll> right...
[11:41] <ogra> what do win and osX use ? 
[11:42] <ogra> i have neither around here