[12:05] np [12:05] mjg59: re: acpi-support on r50e: read the bug report, sounds great. will test tomorrow! [12:05] gn8 for today! === mantiena [n=mantas@ctv-217-147-43-171.init.lt] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ieinu"] === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-160-28.oulan.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-160-28.oulan.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Loevborg [n=loevborg@d4-84.dip.axsp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-215-231.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger__ [n=hunger@p54A60A82.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman- [n=gman@nwkea-socks-1.sun.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdon1 [n=jdong@24.192.2.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel === HrdwrBoB_ [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:22] alright, what's the magical command for finding the source package to a given binary package from the CLI? [01:22] trying to figure out what'd need rebuilding for a hypothetical Firefox 1.5 backport :) [01:23] apt-cache show binary-pacakge [01:23] apt-cache show | grep ^Source [01:23] ok, that make sense [01:24] apt-cache rdepends firefox | awk -F\ '{print $1}' | grep -v "^|" | sort | uniq | grep -ve "desktop" | grep -v "Reverse" | xargs apt-cache show | grep "^Source" | awk -F\: '{print $2}' | awk '{print $1}' | sort | uniq [01:24] aaaaahhhh [01:24] but it works [01:24] :) === jefferyb [n=jefferyb@ppp-217-133-6-8.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] I was wondering if anyone can help... I need to run a script everytime a user logs in onto the desktop, and I was wodering where to put the script so it could run when ever someone logs in... [01:28] jefferyb: wrong channel... #ubuntu === majyk [n=m@nc-69-69-52-5.sta.sprint-hsd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=spacey@flits101-191.flits.rug.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] thanks [01:29] is the backports archive down? Synaptic complains that it cannot stat some files when I add the backports archives to my /etc/apt/sources.list === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] majyk: what exactly _did_ you add to sources.list? [01:30] |bookmarkbridge [01:30] firefox [01:30] mozilla-thunderbird [01:30] how to take out spaces and |'s? [01:30] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy-backports main restricted universe multiverse [01:30] majyk: did you reload synaptic? [01:30] majyk: I meant the list (i.e. sudo apt-get update) [01:30] yes multiple times [01:31] majyk: exact error example from Synaptic [01:32] sorry it's on another computer and it's a bunch of garbage about how synaptic can't stat files pertaining to the backports archive [01:33] ok the apt-get update worked [01:33] but the directions on the backport page don't tell you to do an apt-get update [01:33] maybe that's an understood task [01:33] majyk: sorry, it's more of an understood thing [01:33] haha, yeah [01:33] majyk: doesn't the error box in synaptic suggest trying to reload the list? [01:33] majyk: if not, that should be addressed for usability :) [01:34] it's a very common problem, actually [01:34] don't feel bad :) [01:34] why do I feel stupid while using Ubuntu when I've been using Gentoo for so long [01:34] each distro has it's own set of shit to remember === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdon1 [n=jdong@24.192.2.190] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:39] us. [01:39] oops [01:43] browsing us.archive.ubuntu.com mirror with a firefox lists a Ruby 1.8.3 package in main but Synaptic does not list this [01:48] must not be a breezy package right? [01:48] majyk: sounds plausible [01:51] thanks guys === majyk [n=m@nc-69-69-52-5.sta.sprint-hsd.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schweeb [n=chris@adsl-68-250-204-222.dsl.sfldmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chris38-home2 [n=Christia@LSt-Amand-152-31-26-96.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] jdub: ping [02:35] mhz: pong === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MasterAkux [n=David@66-50-110-244.prtc.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:42] jdub: ping === MasterAkux is now known as akurashy [02:42] mhz: pong again [02:42] hehehe [02:42] sorry [02:42] I thought you were somewhere else, i was [02:42] jdub: so, will that ML be possible [02:42] mhz: yeah, gotta catch up with ogra abougt it tho [02:43] okis [02:43] jdub: are you in charge of registering IRC channels, as well? [02:44] nup [02:44] see the list of ops for #ubuntu [02:45] jdub, i bet you are in this list : [02:45] :P [02:45] ok, and when do you think I can have a y/n answer from you about the ML? [02:46] i probably am, but i don't register new channels now ;) [02:46] mhz: unfortunately not tonight (even though ogra is here) because i have to go in a minute [02:46] ogra: will catch up with you tomorrow or something [02:46] me too... its about 3am :) [02:46] jdub: ok, i get it [02:47] jdub: ogra thx for taking care of this === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === SloMoSnail [n=slomo@p5487FA29.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === toresbe [i=tsb@developer.skolelinux.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] hello guys :) === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-1.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] Are there plans for a Firefox 1.5 backport to Breezy? [03:13] no idea, here === rideout [n=rideout@c-24-8-195-254.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@c-24-8-195-254.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sfeehan [n=sfeehan@pool-64-223-107-242.burl.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Alinux [n=Ubuntu@d81-211-245-200.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === schweeb [n=chris@ubuntu/member/schweeb] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Am|NickTaken [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@c-67-187-53-124.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:30] So udev has self destructed on me in some fashion. At boot, the system appears to lock up on Creating initla device nodes. [04:30] Lucky you. [04:30] Upon some creative working around the problem, I've found it's reading from /dev/.tmp-13-64. [04:30] and blocking [04:30] Which kernel and which udev? [04:31] latest from dapper. [04:31] Any idea what 13, 64 is? [04:31] So I can fix it heh [04:31] Are you using a 2.6.15 kernel, or 2.6.12 still? [04:32] eh, good question, checking. [04:32] 2.6.12-10 [04:32] didn't see .15 [04:32] And udev 0.060-1ubuntu15? [04:32] Yes. [04:33] My first guess is this is some broken device in my system. [04:33] I just don't know which one. [04:33] and udev should timeout... [04:33] Kay. That combination should work fine (does for everyone else), so you're lucky with a capital "L", but there's not a whole lot of point in debugging it, since kernel 2.6.15 and udev 076 should become the defaults within a day. [04:33] Makes sense. [04:34] Still would like to know what device this is. There a easy refernece for min/maj numbers? [04:34] If it still breaks for you in fun ways after the Update From Hell later, bug Keybuk. :) === sJwvTAn [n=sJwvTAn@70.89.208.241] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:13] ogra: missed one spot - sorry. and then I've had connectivity issues for the last couple days... [05:13] edubuntu livefs builds running now === niko [n=niko@server5.intercom.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niko [n=niko@server5.intercom.com.ar] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:23] mjg59: No script should use takeover, it's for humans only. [05:24] jbailey: That's what I thought [05:24] mjg59: KErnels before -5 don't use update-initramfs, so that looks like the expected response. [05:24] Ok [05:24] Weird [05:24] So what should usplash do in that case? [05:24] It'll go away as linux-meta is updated. [05:24] 13, is somehow related to input. [05:24] Bearing in mind that it may be installed before the new kernel [05:25] Probably silently ignore it and do nothing. [05:25] The new kernel getting installed will cause the initramfs to be updated. [05:25] jbailey: any clues why udevstart would lock up? [05:25] =) [05:25] wasabi: A bus scan on a fault driver, usually. [05:25] specifically looks like it is blocking reading /dev.tmp-13-64 [05:26] Looks like the specific process is '/sbin/vol_id --export /dev/.tmp-13-64 [05:26] no man page. =( [05:27] wasabi_: udevstart will probably dissapear from dapper in a week or so, so.. =) [05:28] mjg59: I need to go pass out soon. Is there anything else you need on that? [05:28] ogra: and edubuntu-{desktop,live} are not installable [05:28] mjg59: And failing that, Adam's now handling initramfs-tools, so he's likely to be awake sometime soonish. [05:29] Riddell : Around? [05:29] jbailey: Nope, that's cool [05:29] Wonder if I can just kill udev for the time being [05:30] or make it ignore that major/minor [05:30] mjg59: Lovely. =) [05:31] So that new pre-dapper stuff available now? :) === yi [n=yi@c-67-168-191-82.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-7-249.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:36] how do you put a computer into suspend mode normally so that it uses the /etc/acpi scripts, besides using the gnome suspend logout option? [05:36] i'm trying to debug why its not working right on my system [05:36] vbetool seems to at least partially work, but something is keeping the system from coming back from suspend [05:37] calc: Just call /etc/acpi/sleep.sh [05:38] It does a small amount of stuff, calls prepare.sh, sleeps and then calls resume.sh [05:38] ok [05:38] calc: What hardware is this? Still amd64? [05:38] yea amd64 [05:38] i ran /etc/acpi/sleep.sh and it did nothing apparently === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] calc: Edit /etc/default/acpi-support and uncomment the second line [05:40] oh oops :) [05:40] sleep in gnome doesn't seem to use that [05:40] note i may disappear if it doesn't come back, i'll log back in [05:41] Where'd isapnptools get to? [05:43] wasabi_: Should be mostly superseded by /sys/bus/pnp nowadays === ccheney [n=ccheney@ip70-185-7-249.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] back [05:44] it didn't come back [05:45] the power light lit back up solid instead of blinking but it didn't seem to come back at all [05:45] mjg59: hmm. nead to relearn ISA in linux I guess [05:45] the screen didn't come back and magic sysrq didn't work either [05:45] ccheney: Which kernel? [05:45] 2.6.12-10-amd64-k8 2.6.12-10.24 [05:46] Ok [05:46] My amd64 only started working with 2.6.15 [05:46] i could try 2.6.15 i have it installed but the ipw2200 driver doesn't work [05:46] Oh. Hm. [05:46] Yeah, give the 2.6.15 one a whirl [05:47] oh bbia 5min === ccheney [n=ccheney@ip70-185-7-249.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:52] back [05:53] does the same thing, too bad laptops don't have serial anymore :( [05:53] is there a way to get output from it in some other way? [05:53] as far as to whether it came back at all? [05:54] i disabled the video post option since it didn't seem to work at the command line, but the vbe save state does work at least without going into s3 first, tested it out on command line earlier === ccheney is now known as calc [05:56] calc: So with 2.6.15 and running that script, it suspends and then hangs on resume? [05:56] yea [05:56] What model is this? [05:56] afaict it hangs so that sysrq doesn't work [05:56] No caps lock light? [05:57] hmm yea i have one of those i forgot to check that [05:57] Last thing to try is disabling all the video options in /etc/default/acpi-support and try sleeping from a text console [05:57] http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/arima-w720-k8.html [05:57] actually i think the model is w730-k8, its emachines m6809/gateway 74xx [05:58] oh yea i was sleeping from text console but had the video vbe stuff still enabled but not the video post [05:58] Ok - disable the video vbe stuff [05:58] ok [05:58] /Sometimes/ it can cause hangs [05:59] so without any video stuff i should test the capslock key? [05:59] because the video will be dead, right? [06:00] Yeah [06:01] ok will try that out brb === XVTIURI [n=darkside@226-111.adsl.caucasus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-7-249.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:11] back [06:11] i think it comes back but without video or keyboard [06:11] the hard drive light blinks a few times after i hit a key to bring the system back [06:12] It's probably dying in the kernel [06:12] Does it have docking station support? [06:12] no [06:12] Right [06:12] In that case, you're probably screwed for now [06:12] ok [06:13] i'll probably try causing disk io in the resume.sh later with some sleep stmts to see if i can make it blink to me ;) [06:14] thanks for the help [06:17] Heh [06:17] Also, search acpi-devel for beep [06:17] There's some code for trying to make the system speaker go beep [06:17] ah ok [06:22] hmm i found a list of acpi_sleep options that are supposed to do interesting things to buggy hw [06:23] eg s3_bios ? === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-157.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] interesting the acpi-devel list states my laptop should work, but perhaps it is only for 32bit mode [06:29] just says vbestate is needed === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:30] The kernel options only do stuff that vbetool can already do [06:30] (rather more safely) [06:31] ok === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-224-21.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:42] a) QT takes forever to build [06:42] b) I'm impatient [06:42] Pick one. [06:42] a? [06:42] Could be a bit of both. I'm undecided. [06:45] got some more ideas to try, bbl === rajasun [n=maximusp@bb220-255-204-45.singnet.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@d154-20-224-21.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === dholbach [n=daniel@i577B0F29.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:14] good morning === marilize [n=marilize@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-157.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === viviersf [n=cain@rrba-146-88-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jane_ [n=JaneW@wbs-146-174-135.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil [n=chrys@dslb-084-056-089-190.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Valandil is now known as Valandil|work === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:19] Good morning [08:20] hehe, nice usplash artwork :) [08:20] (althouhg I hope that it won't be the final one) [08:21] i think it rocks [08:21] that's a reason to upgrade to dapper imho === dholbach will blog about it ;) [08:21] The final one will be EVER BETTAR. [08:21] s/EVER/EVEN/ [08:21] :) === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] morning === ajmitch_ needs to see usplash artwork [08:24] oh very smooth [08:25] yeah, it rocks [08:31] Hi zyga [08:32] morning === carlos [n=carlos@54.Red-83-53-61.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:35] morning all [08:35] Hi siretart [08:35] Hey sivang === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@123.sub-70-197-110.myvzw.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chmj [n=chmj@wbs-146-154-36.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marcin [n=user@www.e-dev.tele2.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === womble [n=mpalmer@eth359.nsw.adsl.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@iup.physik.uni-bremen.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=Josh@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=Josh@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-devel === derekS_ [n=derekS@cpe-66-108-44-139.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === noary [n=root@sci.nat.buu.ac.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] i [09:27] i have problem remaster ubuntu install cd . [09:28] i add package font . but i seem error apt step fail. [09:29] Please answer me. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] if do you know. [09:29] hey seb128 [09:30] hi dholbach [09:30] hi seb128 :) [09:30] howdy [09:31] what is chanel develop? [09:33] noary: This is not a support channel. Please ask on #ubuntu. [09:33] noary: didn't you write this already on the mailing list? [09:34] what is mailing list? [09:34] oh sorry, i thought you did, nevermind then [09:36] noary: try #ubuntu === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@ip181.135.1511I-CUD12K-01.ish.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:39] morning mvo === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === henriquemaia [n=henrique@cb-217-129-170-53.netvisao.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:41] hey mvo! [09:42] hey zyga, dholbach [09:50] Hi mvo, a lovely good morning! [09:51] pitti: hello! nice outcome of the discussion yesterday, I'm going to do it like this in update-notifier as well [09:51] mvo: well, it's an easy and imperfect solution, but I can live with it === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:52] pitti: I like the fact that it's easy. and all the options we had had one or the other problem [09:53] what are you guys talking about? :) [09:54] infinity: hi === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-51-132.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] Hey seb128_ [09:56] Kamion: was my upload of language-selector for breezy-updates rejected? === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] pitti: hey ;) [10:05] Riddell : I was going to ask you why libqt3-mt-dev.links had been dropped from QT 3.3.5, but it was blocking me, so I just uploaded. [10:07] infinity: saw that, thanks for fixing, I'll investigate what happened when I get time === vuntz_ [n=vuntz@volin.imag.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Aegir [n=richard@d220-238-0-201.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] seb128, dholbach: can you please remove type-handling B-D from gnome-applets? [10:25] type-handling -> universe === dholbach pipes innocently [10:25] otherwise is FTBFS === dholbach will take care of it [10:26] thanks guys [10:27] I blame dholbach === seb128 knows about type-handling :) [10:27] haha :) [10:28] i blame gtk and gnome team [10:28] :) [10:29] isn't there the saying "you win as a team, you lose as a team" ;) [10:30] mvo: sure, that's why he blamed the gnome team :) [10:30] better them than the distro team :) [10:30] ajmitch: ++ [10:30] ;) [10:30] haha === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:31] jordi! [10:31] I blame jordi [10:31] haha [10:32] ajmitch_, fabbione: it's the DESKTOP! TEAM! *raising awareness* [10:32] oh sorry === ajmitch_ should know better :) [10:32] dholbach: ? === ompaul [n=ompaul@194.125.97.201] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:35] fabbione: done, thanks for the heads-up [10:35] dholbach: no problem.. it was my sparc buildd yelling at you ;) === pitti does the Dapper dance [10:37] yay, my new language packs *finally* work [10:37] yay [10:37] pitti: ping [10:37] Hi doko_ [10:41] wtf! [10:44] elmo: please sync londonlaw from unstable, overriding ubuntu changes. thanks [10:45] <\sh> moins === mornel [n=root@sci.nat.buu.ac.th] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === fabbione eyes evily the desktop team [10:47] so... [10:47] why do i get an Edubuntu gdm theme installing a clean dapper? [10:47] edubuntu takes over? [10:48] jordi: do i need to blame you this time? ;) [10:49] <\sh> fabbione: edubuntu world domination .. the plan was setteled during a drinking bof at ubz...can't you remember...you agreed ,-) [10:50] ehm.. i always remember even when i am drunk :/ [10:51] mvo: Rejected: no signature found in language-selector_0.0+baz20050824_source.changes. === slomo [n=slomo@vpn-imt8.uni-paderborn.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:51] you should've got mail ... [10:53] elmo: please sync i810switch from unstable, all ubuntu changes have been merged [10:54] rob1: hi, what is your email address? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] Seen the (prelimanary) results of the desktop linux survey: http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5481370522.html [10:55] <\sh> fabbione: hehe :) just teasing :) [10:56] 53% ubuntu;-) [10:56] Kamion: what about version language-selector_0.1.1? [10:57] Kamion: from 22.11? [10:57] Kamion: I'm not excatly sure how to proceed, but I noticed that lbdb (in main) now build depends on libvformat1-dev, which is in universe and thus ftbfs. [10:59] mvo: oh, right, sorry, guess I should've checked the date [10:59] mvo: language-selector | 0.1.1 | breezy-updates | source, all [10:59] siretart: "anastacia" is the tool that gives us automatic reports of such problems [11:00] siretart: I looked at libvformat, it needs to drop c2man before I approve it [11:00] <\sh> elmo: please accept sync requests from zakama and bmonty, they're motus since yesterday thx :) [11:00] promotions/demotions are done every so often by elmo or mdz or me, sometimes based on inclusion reports (as pitti alludes to) [11:00] ah, ok, you already know about that. [11:00] Kamion: I'll ask mdz later [11:00] thanks [11:00] I noticed that it tries to get build since a couple of days === Aegir` [n=richard@d220-238-120-93.dsl.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:07] mvo: what do you need to ask him about? it's already in the archive ... [11:12] Kamion: oh, sorry. it dosn't show up on packages.u.c [11:12] elmo: hi! please sync kexi, hardware-monitor, ion2, ipkungfu, lessdisks, luxman, and matrem from debian, ok to override ubuntu changes. Thanks! :) [11:14] <\sh> dholbach: ping...https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/xterm/+bug/4724 [11:18] mm, is still utf-8 not working on dapper? [11:19] doko_, is that bug with openoffice and big documents fixed yet ? [11:19] in terminals, that is [11:21] \sh: pong? [11:21] there seem to be two synaptic touchpad packages now... [11:21] which one is 'latest' ? [11:22] sivang: utf-8 should work fine. Do you have enough fonts for hebrew? [11:23] <\sh> dholbach: it's more daniels issue [11:23] \sh: i thought you were the maintainer now [11:24] \sh: you did all the uploads [11:24] <\sh> dholbach: yes...but it's not an xterm issue [11:24] then reassign it, thanks [11:25] <\sh> dholbach: yepp === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zak@ubuntu/member/zakame] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === koke [n=koke@ubuntu/member/koke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] sladen: ah, it does work on the terminal, but now on irssi etc. possibly something wrong with irssi ? [11:28] sivang /SET term_type UTF-8 [11:28] sivang: and you need to teach screen aswell [11:29] ^A:utf8 on on [11:29] (maybe these should just default by now) [11:29] <\sh> hmm...I need xvbf-run which is missing in action [11:30] screen should understand an utf-8 locale setting just fine. Not sure about irssi, I thought it did tho. term_type may be needed. [11:31] I can see now hebrew letters and type, but acutally inputting them is all broken. That is, I get 1 out of 10 letters typed shown etc [11:31] hmm, oh yeah, actually, irssi has a problem with full width characters; are hebrew ones like that? [11:31] <\sh> dholbach: grmpf...forget it :) [11:32] <\sh> dholbach: damn changes [11:32] mjr: what do you mean full width? [11:32] sivang, double the width of normal ascii chars [11:32] sivang: 'double-width' [11:32] sladen: I think so [11:33] sivang: Hebrew , hmm. For me those are 6 and 5 'squares' wide [11:34] and that worked just fine through gnome-terminal->ssh->screen->irssi [11:34] yeah, normal half-width it seems [11:34] sladen: I got QY [11:34] yah, I got them too [11:35] 'course, irssi doesn't do rtl at all :) [11:35] uxterm->ssh->screen->irssi too [11:35] [11:35] mjr: it doesn't (so I usual type backwards) but it used to display every char correctly on breezy [11:35] round trips fine too ;) [11:35] sivang, ok [11:37] some regression then :I [11:37] sladen: how do you know if a non latin char is half/double width ? [11:38] sivang, wcwidth() :] [11:40] , , interesting, it gave me a double width entry cursor after pasting those, but the display got out of sync and require a ctrl-L to fix it === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] sladen, yeah, that's the way irssi "handles" it [11:40] and even that didn't match what came back again (two commas) [11:41] (the cursor is just a terminal thing, irssi doesn't know about that) === thesaltydog [n=Fabio@ubuntu/member/thesaltydog] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:42] ...now, if irssi just used readline :) [11:42] sladen: W\uffff\\uffff^ <-- this is what I got [11:42] 'Wuff', nice :) sounds like a dogg [11:42] hehe [11:42] s/g$// === mdke hussles elmo some more for the docteam svn account for bhuvan [11:45] sivang: I think something along the line assumes you've got 8bit mapping and is trying to convert the highbit into a W and then finding out that it can't convert the rest. === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] will hotplug, grepmap and pcmcia-cs be kept in dapper? [11:55] janimo: hotplug won't, grepmap will, pcmcia-cs probably won't but does need to stay there for now while we figure some other stuff out [11:56] wow fun. ld segfaulting on ia64 === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] what is the reason for grepmap staying? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61F12.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dredg [n=nsherida@80.169.137.162] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Simira [n=rpGirl@214.84-48-74.nextgentel.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] janimo: it's going to be adjusted a bit and used for some cases where the kernel doesn't expose useful MODALIAS [12:11] thanks [12:11] grepmap? [12:11] yes [12:11] yes [12:12] yeah, if you look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/software/grepmap/ there's a new 1.1.0 release of it [12:12] it supports a "grepmap --udev" option that reads the environment rather than the command-line [12:12] and the kernel can't do it or just won't export that in dapper timeframe? [12:12] so we can do: SUBSYSTEM=="input", PROGRAM="/sbin/grepmap --udev", RUN+="/sbin/modprobe $result" [12:13] well, the kernel hasn't yet done modalias for the input subsystem ... I guess it's a "tricky" one and might come later [12:13] but I don't know for certain that it ever will [12:13] hmm I thought 2.6.15 was supposed to take the input subsys to the same level as the rest [12:13] there's also the use case: SUBSYSTEM=="usb_device", PROGRAM="/sbin/grepmap --udev --file=/etc/udev/libsane.usermap", GROUP="plugdev" [12:14] Keybuk: I don't think we'll need it for sane [12:14] pitti: no? [12:14] but it's good to have it as a backup [12:14] Mithrandir merged the package yesterday, and IIRC the udev rules are generated in debian/rules [12:14] janimo: 15 certainly updates it to driver-core [12:14] but not modalias yet [12:16] I haven't uploaded it yet, iirc [12:17] no, we both need the new udev (hint, hint) [12:17] I guess infinity hasn't uploaded lrm or -meta for 15 yet then? [12:18] yay long dependency chains :) [12:18] I gave him signed ready-to-upload binaries on Monday, in case he was ready yesterday while I was away [12:18] s/binaries/sources/, s/empty cup/coffee/ [12:18] Keybuk: no, he's doing final lrm testing === mahangu [n=mahangu@unaffiliated/mahangu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === camilotelles [n=Camilo@20132194128.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] ogra, ping [12:41] janimo, pong [12:42] does hwdb-client use gnome stuff besides gtk? [12:42] yup [12:42] I'm thinking if it could be used with xfce [12:42] but i planned to change that ... [12:42] that would be nice [12:42] it uses the gnome_sound_play function for the sound test [12:42] aha [12:42] maybe just an aplay or something would do? [12:43] might also be other stuff in there, havent visited the code for some time [12:43] i'll try to fix that for dapper [12:43] fabbione, eh ? [12:43] ok, thanks [12:43] fabbione, if you dont have edubuntu-artwork installed that cant be .... [12:44] ogra, oh btw that focus bug with the next button in hwdb-client is it a gtk bug? [12:44] yup [12:44] needing to click outside of the button [12:44] it only happens on some desktops ... [12:44] is it _that_ hard to fix? I'd have thought that's elementary GUI widget foo :) [12:44] i have no idea why ... (happens on 2 of 5 systems i have here) [12:44] feature I mean [12:45] mine too [12:45] do you know if there's a gtk bug filed? [12:45] yes, it is that hard to fix, since its not reliable reproducable === hunger [n=hunger@p54A63C9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] k, thanks [12:45]