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bshumatehello all01:30
bshumateanyone using LyX for DockBook authoring at all?01:30
Burgworknot that I know of01:33
Burgworkhow the heck do I get grep to search for a bang and not a bitwise not01:33
bshumatemaybe a better question is...what do folks here use as an editor typically? ;-)01:33
Burgworkno idea what others use01:34
BurgworkI use gedit and bluefish01:34
bshumatethanks! i'll check em out.01:34
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dabaRBurgwork: I have thought abbout what you said whern I showed you my proc. doc. and I think your answer was bad if you totally discarded my doc. Even though synaptic is going out in like, 5 months, it is still in, and many people could benefit from my well written doc.05:07
dabaR:)05:09
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rob1dang, mdke is away..08:23
jsgotangcowhy?08:29
jsgotangcorob1: why are you using gmail08:30
jsgotangcoi have to approve your posts then08:30
rob1?08:30
rob1is this a recent change to the list?08:30
jsgotangcono08:30
jsgotangcoyour gmail account obviously isn't subscribed08:31
rob1My header says rob1 at ubuntu dot com, but yes its comming from the gmail servers08:31
jsgotangconvm its only one email anyway08:32
rob1does the list block email with a from header that isn't the same domain as the server?08:34
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mdkerob1, it depends on the header09:11
mdkemine from mdke@ubuntu.com works alright09:11
mdkedabaR, you should post to the mailing list, rather than just showing things to one person09:12
mdkerob1, also, your emails are really hard to reply to! when I reply in evolution, the quotes don't wrap...09:19
jsgotangcoyeah09:21
jsgotangcoespecially the one you use at work09:21
mdkeyeah09:21
jsgotangcothat really borks the thread...09:26
=== mdke nods
mdkei can't believe that it is outlook express's fault: it must have the technology to maintain threads09:28
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mdkemorning dholbach 10:25
dholbachhellas10:25
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mdkerob1, around?10:51
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poningruquestion do we have a quick howto regarding installation of firefox 1.5?11:57
poningrucause I guess I can write it up11:57
mdkeponingru, i don't believe we do, maybe you can have a search on the wiki and see what is there11:58
poningruwell where on the forums do we post such things?11:58
poningrucause nothing came up on the wiki11:58
poningruI was thinking about writing one not sure where to do so11:58
mdkeponingru, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion11:59
poningruyeah nm11:59
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mdke:)11:59
mdkethe wiki is a bit difficult to find stuff in by searching12:00
poningruyeah12:03
mdkeponingru, if you like you can figure out what difference there is between the various firefox pages on the wiki, and integrate them in some way :)12:05
mdkehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingFirefox <-- appears to be completely superfluous12:05
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poningruhmm ok12:16
mdkeponingru, up to you obviously :) You can check to see if the page on install firefox 1.5 is up to date too, if you like12:26
mdkeand obviously, improve the page if you don't like it :)12:26
poningruyeah improved the firefoxnewversion12:33
poningruI think the intsalling firefox page should be nominated for deletion12:34
poningruinstalling*12:34
poningrucan you take a look at that page and see if it looks good?12:34
mdkeok, I will delete it later on after checking that it has no links and such12:34
mdkesure12:35
mdkeyeah the FirefoxNewVersion page looks very nice12:35
mdkevery clear12:36
poningruare you running 1.0.7 can you check something really quick?12:39
mdkeyes I have it12:39
poningruin your profile folder12:39
mdkealthough I use epiphany now12:39
poningruoh hehe12:39
poningruwell in firefox can you try to add a search plugin?12:39
mdkesure tell me what to do12:40
mdkeI've deleted InstallingFirefox12:40
poningruhttps://addons.mozilla.org/search-engines.php12:40
poningrucool12:40
poningruadd any one of them12:40
mdkeok done12:41
mdkei clicked on ESPN12:41
poningruok make sure its installed12:41
poningruin the search bar12:42
poningrunow go to the profile folder and see if there is a searchplugin12:42
poningruit should be a folder named searchplugins12:43
mdkeit's in a folder named "search"12:43
poningruah ok12:43
mdkematt@kalliope:~/.mozilla/firefox/h48215rp.default/search$ ls12:43
mdkeespn.png  espn.src  google.src  MSN.png  MSN.src  wikipedia.png  wikipedia.src12:43
poningruhmm that has to be fixed12:43
poningruhmm I think we should just copy the entire profile folder12:49
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dholbachwow, you guys did magic improvements to the docs06:31
dholbachthe deb is 2,3MB now ;)06:31
mdkehmm06:31
mdkesounds bad06:31
dholbachoh, why that?06:31
mdkedholbach, the deb I built yesterday was 278K06:32
dholbachserverguide, desktopguide and ubuntu/menu are new06:32
dholbachubuntu/menus rather06:32
mdkelemme try building again06:32
dholbachi can give you the output of the contents of the package, would that help?06:33
mdkesure, if you like06:33
dholbachok06:33
mdkei'm just building another package on our server06:33
dholbachrighto06:33
mdkei haven't added anything since yesterday...06:34
mdkedholbach, it's 296K06:35
dholbachoh right... extracted it's 2,3MB06:35
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mdkesorry06:36
dholbachIt was Installed-Size, sorry06:36
dholbachnot Size :)06:36
mdkehttp://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/06:36
dholbachare you happy with all the contents now?06:36
mdke:)06:36
mdkeyep06:36
dholbachi will have a brief look06:36
dholbachand see if it blows everything away06:36
mdkelol06:36
dholbachif not, we'll get it in and have a party06:36
mdkeit's fine06:36
dholbachparty at my place - free beer! see you! :)06:36
mdkethe only bug is those html errors on scrollkeeper-rebuild that you reported06:37
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mdkethe only OBVIOUS bug06:37
dholbachi see ;)06:37
mdkebut the html validates, more or less, so I think it is ok06:37
dholbachabout ubuntu looks nice06:37
dholbachyelp doesnt crash yet... let's have a look at the guides06:38
dholbachwhy do we have them as html and xml?06:38
mdkeso that we can decide what is the best way06:38
dholbachi see06:38
dholbachwill you get an announcement out for testing/judging about this?06:39
mdkeyeah, a thread is open on the mailing list06:39
mdkei really wanted to see whether html will work ok in yelp06:39
dholbachcool, make sure you're heard everywhere06:39
mdkeyes, absolutely06:39
mdkei want to talk to seb and jdub about it 06:39
dholbachyou guys rock06:40
mdkei favour html myself, due to the fact that it loads 300 times faster, and looks nicer (or will do)06:40
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mdkebut we need to ensure that the translations will work06:40
=== mdke hugs back
dholbachand the packaging guide too06:40
dholbachROCK06:40
dholbachalthough it could be de-crack-ed a bit :)06:40
dholbachbut NICE06:40
dholbachi'm quite happy06:40
mdkecool06:41
dholbachi will build the package in pbuilder and see if that works too06:41
dholbachthen upload it06:41
mdkegreat06:41
mdkeonce it's uploaded, I'll start the html or xml war06:41
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mdkeheh06:42
dholbachif you don't mind, i do another changelog entry (but the others will appear on dapper-changes too), to explain what was removed and what was added06:42
dholbachso we don't get too much bug reports for missing translations and stuff06:43
dholbachmakes sense?06:43
mdkedholbach, ok, but isn't that in the changelog already?06:43
dholbachoh you added that already?06:43
mdkethink so06:43
dholbachok it is06:44
mdke  * Removed translations (translation won't start until string freeze)06:44
dholbach:)06:44
dholbachright06:44
dholbachmdke: could you talk to elmo, so you get whitelisted for uploads?06:44
dholbachmeaning, you'll get a mail if the package is accepted or not06:44
mdkeyou can't upload it?06:44
mdkeoh it takes it from the changelog?06:45
dholbachyeah, i will sign and upload it06:45
dholbachexactly06:45
mdkesure i'll talk to him06:45
dholbachor i will add a changelog entry06:45
dholbachok06:45
dholbachjust write a signed mail, telling him, that you want to be whitelisted for uploads (i will sponsor them)06:45
dholbachok06:45
mdkeok i'll cc it to you06:46
mdkebut my key is not in trusted06:46
dholbachi think that doesnt mind for whitelisting06:46
mdkeok06:46
dholbachit's just that katie sends you a mail for every upload06:46
dholbachand your name appears on dapper-changes *YAY, FAME FACTOR!*06:46
mdkeyeah bonus06:47
dholbachpbuilder is building06:48
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mdkedholbach, mailed06:50
dholbachsuper06:50
Burgworkmdke, outlook is probably hitched to an exchange server that, becuase rob works for aussie dod, is classifying the emails06:54
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jjessewatch out it will slap back06:55
jjessei use outlook w/ exchange, what is classifying thme is not outlook, but the spam filter they are using w/ exchange06:56
mdkehow come my client doesn't wrap his mail in the quoted text?06:57
mdkeand what is breaking the threads?06:57
mdkeit must be something to do with microsoft, surely06:57
dholbachstill building :)06:57
jjessewhat client are u using mdke?06:58
mdkejjesse, evolution06:58
jjessehmm outlook is allowing me to view his emails in the thread view and when i reply to one of his emails it quotes the text normally06:58
mdkeebil06:59
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Burgworkmdke, I don't blame exchange. I blame the setup that DoD put on their exchange servers07:23
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mdkei've noticed the serverguide and desktopguide html doesn't have a doctype and thus fails validation08:01
mdkeif we use the xhtml stylesheets, this doesn't happen08:02
mdkedoes anyone know (a) how to make html work, or (b) if there is any reason not to use the xhtml stylesheets?08:02
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=== mdke has the new dapper ubuntu-docs package :)
LaserJockcool10:10
=== Burgwork feels like a lazy bum. He has done nothing for docs recently
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mdkeBurgwork, I will be initiating the html vs xml war again soon :)11:22
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Burgworkmdke, oh joy11:23
=== Burgwork is about to initiate the mediawiki vs moin war with a blog post tongiht
mdke:)11:24
mdkeLOL11:24
mdkeat least my war is winnable11:24
Burgworkmy reasoning will be very clear11:24
Burgworkit will not be "MEDIAWIKI SI BETTER SUXORS"11:24
mdkewill it be "mediawiki will soon be written in python"?11:24
Burgworknope11:25
BurgworkI wish11:25
mdkesurely it can't win then11:25
Burgworkbut I can see more of mediawiki being written in c#11:25
mdkewell I think the html way will succeed11:28
mdkepending a discussion with seb about the ramifications11:28
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LaserJockmdke: I just installed ubuntu-docs_5.11-3_all.deb on Breezy and now I don't have anything in System->Help11:39
mdkeheh11:39
mdkehow odd11:40
mdkelemme try that11:40
LaserJockit's a fresh install so maybe I missed something11:40
mdkeis there any reason why it should work?11:41
mdkeoh, works here11:41
LaserJockhmm11:41
mdkehttp://mdke.org/images/ubuntu-docs.png11:42
mdkethey work too11:42
LaserJockhere's mine: http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/Screenshot.png11:44
mdketry running "sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q"11:44
mdkewhere did you get the deb btw?11:45
mdkeif you got it from the dapper repos, maybe there is an issue with that11:45
LaserJockmdke: I got it from doc.ubuntu.com/debs it was working yesterday11:47
LaserJockbut I did a fresh install today11:47
mdkeodd indeed11:48
LaserJockI got a whole bunch of errors when I did sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q11:49
dholbachgood night doc-people - first package in for dapper - well done!11:49
mdkenight night11:49
dholbachkeep up the celebrations11:49
mdkeLaserJock, all involving html validation problems?11:49
mdkedholbach, thanks to you11:49
dholbach*YOU*11:49
dholbach:)11:49
mdkeno, you!11:49
mdkeetc11:49
dholbach;)11:50
LaserJock"Opening and ending tag mismatch", "Input is not proper UTF-8", and "Premature end of data" in various places11:50
mdkeyeah11:51
mdkethat's normal11:51
LaserJockall in serverguide/C/index.html and desktopguide/C/index.html11:51
mdkei should have a fix for that tomorrow11:51
LaserJockmdke: well, I will reboot into dapper and see if it is different.11:52
mdkek11:52

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