=== HrdwrBoB [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === HrdwrBoB_ [n=matt@bob.is.teh.admin.at.vicnet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@adsl-1-145-77.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [01:30] hello all [01:30] anyone using LyX for DockBook authoring at all? [01:33] not that I know of [01:33] how the heck do I get grep to search for a bang and not a bitwise not [01:33] maybe a better question is...what do folks here use as an editor typically? ;-) [01:34] no idea what others use [01:34] I use gedit and bluefish [01:34] thanks! i'll check em out. === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === wftl [n=mgagne@salmar.com] has left #ubuntu-doc ["Kopete] === Kamping_Kaiser [n=Kaiser@ppp129-75.lns2.adl2.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === poningru [n=poningru@n128-227-55-1.xlate.ufl.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === robitaille [n=robitail@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dabaR [n=dabaR@wnpgmb02dc1-60-48.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [05:07] Burgwork: I have thought abbout what you said whern I showed you my proc. doc. and I think your answer was bad if you totally discarded my doc. Even though synaptic is going out in like, 5 months, it is still in, and many people could benefit from my well written doc. [05:09] :) === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Judax [n=troywill@adsl-67-67-221-178.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@adsl-1-145-77.clt.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bshumate [n=bshumate@adsl-1-145-77.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-157.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@adsl-1-145-77.clt.bellsouth.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === zenrox [n=zenrox@71.115.198.118] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jerome@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@adsl-69-109-10-157.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === rob1 [n=rob@ubuntu/member/rob1] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:23] dang, mdke is away.. [08:29] why? [08:30] rob1: why are you using gmail [08:30] i have to approve your posts then [08:30] ? [08:30] is this a recent change to the list? [08:30] no [08:31] your gmail account obviously isn't subscribed [08:31] My header says rob1 at ubuntu dot com, but yes its comming from the gmail servers [08:32] nvm its only one email anyway [08:34] does the list block email with a from header that isn't the same domain as the server? === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [09:11] rob1, it depends on the header [09:11] mine from mdke@ubuntu.com works alright [09:12] dabaR, you should post to the mailing list, rather than just showing things to one person [09:19] rob1, also, your emails are really hard to reply to! when I reply in evolution, the quotes don't wrap... [09:21] yeah [09:21] especially the one you use at work [09:21] yeah [09:26] that really borks the thread... === mdke nods [09:28] i can't believe that it is outlook express's fault: it must have the technology to maintain threads === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #ubuntu-doc === manicka [n=grant@203-217-48-85.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [10:25] morning dholbach [10:25] hellas === manicka [n=grant@203-217-48-85.dyn.iinet.net.au] has left #ubuntu-doc [] [10:51] rob1, around? === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bhuvan [n=bhuvan@b14.gw.maa.collab.net] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === wjb [n=warren@c220-237-178-175.lowrp1.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:57] question do we have a quick howto regarding installation of firefox 1.5? [11:57] cause I guess I can write it up [11:58] poningru, i don't believe we do, maybe you can have a search on the wiki and see what is there [11:58] well where on the forums do we post such things? [11:58] cause nothing came up on the wiki [11:58] I was thinking about writing one not sure where to do so [11:59] poningru, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion [11:59] yeah nm === poningru looks like an idiot [11:59] :) [12:00] the wiki is a bit difficult to find stuff in by searching [12:03] yeah [12:05] poningru, if you like you can figure out what difference there is between the various firefox pages on the wiki, and integrate them in some way :) [12:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingFirefox <-- appears to be completely superfluous === manicka [n=manicka@203-217-48-85.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-doc [12:16] hmm ok [12:26] poningru, up to you obviously :) You can check to see if the page on install firefox 1.5 is up to date too, if you like [12:26] and obviously, improve the page if you don't like it :) [12:33] yeah improved the firefoxnewversion [12:34] I think the intsalling firefox page should be nominated for deletion [12:34] installing* [12:34] can you take a look at that page and see if it looks good? [12:34] ok, I will delete it later on after checking that it has no links and such [12:35] sure [12:35] yeah the FirefoxNewVersion page looks very nice [12:36] very clear [12:39] are you running 1.0.7 can you check something really quick? [12:39] yes I have it [12:39] in your profile folder [12:39] although I use epiphany now [12:39] oh hehe [12:39] well in firefox can you try to add a search plugin? [12:40] sure tell me what to do [12:40] I've deleted InstallingFirefox [12:40] https://addons.mozilla.org/search-engines.php [12:40] cool [12:40] add any one of them [12:41] ok done [12:41] i clicked on ESPN [12:41] ok make sure its installed [12:42] in the search bar [12:42] now go to the profile folder and see if there is a searchplugin [12:43] it should be a folder named searchplugins [12:43] it's in a folder named "search" [12:43] ah ok [12:43] matt@kalliope:~/.mozilla/firefox/h48215rp.default/search$ ls [12:43] espn.png espn.src google.src MSN.png MSN.src wikipedia.png wikipedia.src [12:43] hmm that has to be fixed [12:49] hmm I think we should just copy the entire profile folder === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jsgotangco [n=jsg@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mpt [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === kjcole [n=kjcole@pchb1f.gallaudet.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-doc === dand [n=dand@86.105.65.80] has joined #ubuntu-doc === bshumate [n=bshumate@adsl-1-145-77.clt.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc === Belutz [n=Belutz@ubuntu/member/belutz] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mp1 [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-180-199.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-180-199.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:31] wow, you guys did magic improvements to the docs [06:31] the deb is 2,3MB now ;) [06:31] hmm [06:31] sounds bad [06:31] oh, why that? [06:32] dholbach, the deb I built yesterday was 278K [06:32] serverguide, desktopguide and ubuntu/menu are new [06:32] ubuntu/menus rather [06:32] lemme try building again [06:33] i can give you the output of the contents of the package, would that help? [06:33] sure, if you like [06:33] ok [06:33] i'm just building another package on our server [06:33] righto [06:34] i haven't added anything since yesterday... [06:35] dholbach, it's 296K [06:35] oh right... extracted it's 2,3MB === mdke slaps himself [06:36] sorry [06:36] It was Installed-Size, sorry [06:36] not Size :) [06:36] http://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/ [06:36] are you happy with all the contents now? [06:36] :) [06:36] yep [06:36] i will have a brief look [06:36] and see if it blows everything away [06:36] lol [06:36] if not, we'll get it in and have a party [06:36] it's fine [06:36] party at my place - free beer! see you! :) [06:37] the only bug is those html errors on scrollkeeper-rebuild that you reported === mdke coughs [06:37] the only OBVIOUS bug [06:37] i see ;) [06:37] but the html validates, more or less, so I think it is ok [06:37] about ubuntu looks nice [06:38] yelp doesnt crash yet... let's have a look at the guides [06:38] why do we have them as html and xml? [06:38] so that we can decide what is the best way [06:38] i see [06:39] will you get an announcement out for testing/judging about this? [06:39] yeah, a thread is open on the mailing list [06:39] i really wanted to see whether html will work ok in yelp [06:39] cool, make sure you're heard everywhere [06:39] yes, absolutely [06:39] i want to talk to seb and jdub about it [06:40] you guys rock [06:40] i favour html myself, due to the fact that it loads 300 times faster, and looks nicer (or will do) === dholbach hugs the doc team [06:40] but we need to ensure that the translations will work === mdke hugs back [06:40] and the packaging guide too [06:40] ROCK [06:40] although it could be de-crack-ed a bit :) [06:40] but NICE [06:40] i'm quite happy [06:41] cool [06:41] i will build the package in pbuilder and see if that works too [06:41] then upload it [06:41] great [06:41] once it's uploaded, I'll start the html or xml war === dholbach dances the doc dance [06:42] heh [06:42] if you don't mind, i do another changelog entry (but the others will appear on dapper-changes too), to explain what was removed and what was added [06:43] so we don't get too much bug reports for missing translations and stuff [06:43] makes sense? [06:43] dholbach, ok, but isn't that in the changelog already? [06:43] oh you added that already? [06:43] think so [06:44] ok it is [06:44] * Removed translations (translation won't start until string freeze) [06:44] :) [06:44] right [06:44] mdke: could you talk to elmo, so you get whitelisted for uploads? [06:44] meaning, you'll get a mail if the package is accepted or not [06:44] you can't upload it? [06:45] oh it takes it from the changelog? [06:45] yeah, i will sign and upload it [06:45] exactly [06:45] sure i'll talk to him [06:45] or i will add a changelog entry [06:45] ok [06:45] just write a signed mail, telling him, that you want to be whitelisted for uploads (i will sponsor them) [06:45] ok [06:46] ok i'll cc it to you [06:46] but my key is not in trusted [06:46] i think that doesnt mind for whitelisting [06:46] ok [06:46] it's just that katie sends you a mail for every upload [06:46] and your name appears on dapper-changes *YAY, FAME FACTOR!* [06:47] yeah bonus [06:48] pbuilder is building === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc [06:50] dholbach, mailed [06:50] super [06:54] mdke, outlook is probably hitched to an exchange server that, becuase rob works for aussie dod, is classifying the emails === mdke slaps outlook [06:55] watch out it will slap back [06:56] i use outlook w/ exchange, what is classifying thme is not outlook, but the spam filter they are using w/ exchange [06:57] how come my client doesn't wrap his mail in the quoted text? [06:57] and what is breaking the threads? [06:57] it must be something to do with microsoft, surely [06:57] still building :) [06:58] what client are u using mdke? [06:58] jjesse, evolution [06:58] hmm outlook is allowing me to view his emails in the thread view and when i reply to one of his emails it quotes the text normally [06:59] ebil === mpt_ [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [07:23] mdke, I don't blame exchange. I blame the setup that DoD put on their exchange servers === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@host-66-202-95-170.spr.choiceone.net] has joined #ubuntu-doc [08:01] i've noticed the serverguide and desktopguide html doesn't have a doctype and thus fails validation [08:02] if we use the xhtml stylesheets, this doesn't happen [08:02] does anyone know (a) how to make html work, or (b) if there is any reason not to use the xhtml stylesheets? === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has left #ubuntu-doc [] === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-147-239.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-doc === mdke has the new dapper ubuntu-docs package :) [10:10] cool === Burgwork feels like a lazy bum. He has done nothing for docs recently === mpt [n=mpt@201-27-71-186.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:22] Burgwork, I will be initiating the html vs xml war again soon :) === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:23] mdke, oh joy === Burgwork is about to initiate the mediawiki vs moin war with a blog post tongiht [11:24] :) [11:24] LOL [11:24] at least my war is winnable [11:24] my reasoning will be very clear [11:24] it will not be "MEDIAWIKI SI BETTER SUXORS" [11:24] will it be "mediawiki will soon be written in python"? [11:25] nope [11:25] I wish [11:25] surely it can't win then [11:25] but I can see more of mediawiki being written in c# [11:28] well I think the html way will succeed [11:28] pending a discussion with seb about the ramifications === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-doc [11:39] mdke: I just installed ubuntu-docs_5.11-3_all.deb on Breezy and now I don't have anything in System->Help [11:39] heh [11:40] how odd [11:40] lemme try that [11:40] it's a fresh install so maybe I missed something [11:41] is there any reason why it should work? [11:41] oh, works here [11:41] hmm [11:42] http://mdke.org/images/ubuntu-docs.png [11:42] they work too [11:44] here's mine: http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/Screenshot.png [11:44] try running "sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q" [11:45] where did you get the deb btw? [11:45] if you got it from the dapper repos, maybe there is an issue with that [11:47] mdke: I got it from doc.ubuntu.com/debs it was working yesterday [11:47] but I did a fresh install today [11:48] odd indeed [11:49] I got a whole bunch of errors when I did sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q [11:49] good night doc-people - first package in for dapper - well done! [11:49] night night [11:49] keep up the celebrations [11:49] LaserJock, all involving html validation problems? [11:49] dholbach, thanks to you [11:49] *YOU* [11:49] :) [11:49] no, you! [11:49] etc [11:50] ;) [11:50] "Opening and ending tag mismatch", "Input is not proper UTF-8", and "Premature end of data" in various places [11:51] yeah [11:51] that's normal [11:51] all in serverguide/C/index.html and desktopguide/C/index.html [11:51] i should have a fix for that tomorrow [11:52] mdke: well, I will reboot into dapper and see if it is different. [11:52] k