[01:30] <bshumate> hello all
[01:30] <bshumate> anyone using LyX for DockBook authoring at all?
[01:33] <Burgwork> not that I know of
[01:33] <Burgwork> how the heck do I get grep to search for a bang and not a bitwise not
[01:33] <bshumate> maybe a better question is...what do folks here use as an editor typically? ;-)
[01:34] <Burgwork> no idea what others use
[01:34] <Burgwork> I use gedit and bluefish
[01:34] <bshumate> thanks! i'll check em out.
[05:07] <dabaR> Burgwork: I have thought abbout what you said whern I showed you my proc. doc. and I think your answer was bad if you totally discarded my doc. Even though synaptic is going out in like, 5 months, it is still in, and many people could benefit from my well written doc.
[05:09] <dabaR> :)
[08:23] <rob1> dang, mdke is away..
[08:29] <jsgotangco> why?
[08:30] <jsgotangco> rob1: why are you using gmail
[08:30] <jsgotangco> i have to approve your posts then
[08:30] <rob1> ?
[08:30] <rob1> is this a recent change to the list?
[08:30] <jsgotangco> no
[08:31] <jsgotangco> your gmail account obviously isn't subscribed
[08:31] <rob1> My header says rob1 at ubuntu dot com, but yes its comming from the gmail servers
[08:32] <jsgotangco> nvm its only one email anyway
[08:34] <rob1> does the list block email with a from header that isn't the same domain as the server?
[09:11] <mdke> rob1, it depends on the header
[09:11] <mdke> mine from mdke@ubuntu.com works alright
[09:12] <mdke> dabaR, you should post to the mailing list, rather than just showing things to one person
[09:19] <mdke> rob1, also, your emails are really hard to reply to! when I reply in evolution, the quotes don't wrap...
[09:21] <jsgotangco> yeah
[09:21] <jsgotangco> especially the one you use at work
[09:21] <mdke> yeah
[09:26] <jsgotangco> that really borks the thread...
[09:28] <mdke> i can't believe that it is outlook express's fault: it must have the technology to maintain threads
[10:25] <mdke> morning dholbach 
[10:25] <dholbach> hellas
[10:51] <mdke> rob1, around?
[11:57] <poningru> question do we have a quick howto regarding installation of firefox 1.5?
[11:57] <poningru> cause I guess I can write it up
[11:58] <mdke> poningru, i don't believe we do, maybe you can have a search on the wiki and see what is there
[11:58] <poningru> well where on the forums do we post such things?
[11:58] <poningru> cause nothing came up on the wiki
[11:58] <poningru> I was thinking about writing one not sure where to do so
[11:59] <mdke> poningru, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion
[11:59] <poningru> yeah nm
[11:59] <mdke> :)
[12:00] <mdke> the wiki is a bit difficult to find stuff in by searching
[12:03] <poningru> yeah
[12:05] <mdke> poningru, if you like you can figure out what difference there is between the various firefox pages on the wiki, and integrate them in some way :)
[12:05] <mdke> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingFirefox <-- appears to be completely superfluous
[12:16] <poningru> hmm ok
[12:26] <mdke> poningru, up to you obviously :) You can check to see if the page on install firefox 1.5 is up to date too, if you like
[12:26] <mdke> and obviously, improve the page if you don't like it :)
[12:33] <poningru> yeah improved the firefoxnewversion
[12:34] <poningru> I think the intsalling firefox page should be nominated for deletion
[12:34] <poningru> installing*
[12:34] <poningru> can you take a look at that page and see if it looks good?
[12:34] <mdke> ok, I will delete it later on after checking that it has no links and such
[12:35] <mdke> sure
[12:35] <mdke> yeah the FirefoxNewVersion page looks very nice
[12:36] <mdke> very clear
[12:39] <poningru> are you running 1.0.7 can you check something really quick?
[12:39] <mdke> yes I have it
[12:39] <poningru> in your profile folder
[12:39] <mdke> although I use epiphany now
[12:39] <poningru> oh hehe
[12:39] <poningru> well in firefox can you try to add a search plugin?
[12:40] <mdke> sure tell me what to do
[12:40] <mdke> I've deleted InstallingFirefox
[12:40] <poningru> https://addons.mozilla.org/search-engines.php
[12:40] <poningru> cool
[12:40] <poningru> add any one of them
[12:41] <mdke> ok done
[12:41] <mdke> i clicked on ESPN
[12:41] <poningru> ok make sure its installed
[12:42] <poningru> in the search bar
[12:42] <poningru> now go to the profile folder and see if there is a searchplugin
[12:43] <poningru> it should be a folder named searchplugins
[12:43] <mdke> it's in a folder named "search"
[12:43] <poningru> ah ok
[12:43] <mdke> matt@kalliope:~/.mozilla/firefox/h48215rp.default/search$ ls
[12:43] <mdke> espn.png  espn.src  google.src  MSN.png  MSN.src  wikipedia.png  wikipedia.src
[12:43] <poningru> hmm that has to be fixed
[12:49] <poningru> hmm I think we should just copy the entire profile folder
[06:31] <dholbach> wow, you guys did magic improvements to the docs
[06:31] <dholbach> the deb is 2,3MB now ;)
[06:31] <mdke> hmm
[06:31] <mdke> sounds bad
[06:31] <dholbach> oh, why that?
[06:32] <mdke> dholbach, the deb I built yesterday was 278K
[06:32] <dholbach> serverguide, desktopguide and ubuntu/menu are new
[06:32] <dholbach> ubuntu/menus rather
[06:32] <mdke> lemme try building again
[06:33] <dholbach> i can give you the output of the contents of the package, would that help?
[06:33] <mdke> sure, if you like
[06:33] <dholbach> ok
[06:33] <mdke> i'm just building another package on our server
[06:33] <dholbach> righto
[06:34] <mdke> i haven't added anything since yesterday...
[06:35] <mdke> dholbach, it's 296K
[06:35] <dholbach> oh right... extracted it's 2,3MB
[06:36] <mdke> sorry
[06:36] <dholbach> It was Installed-Size, sorry
[06:36] <dholbach> not Size :)
[06:36] <mdke> http://doc.ubuntu.com/debs/
[06:36] <dholbach> are you happy with all the contents now?
[06:36] <mdke> :)
[06:36] <mdke> yep
[06:36] <dholbach> i will have a brief look
[06:36] <dholbach> and see if it blows everything away
[06:36] <mdke> lol
[06:36] <dholbach> if not, we'll get it in and have a party
[06:36] <mdke> it's fine
[06:36] <dholbach> party at my place - free beer! see you! :)
[06:37] <mdke> the only bug is those html errors on scrollkeeper-rebuild that you reported
[06:37] <mdke> the only OBVIOUS bug
[06:37] <dholbach> i see ;)
[06:37] <mdke> but the html validates, more or less, so I think it is ok
[06:37] <dholbach> about ubuntu looks nice
[06:38] <dholbach> yelp doesnt crash yet... let's have a look at the guides
[06:38] <dholbach> why do we have them as html and xml?
[06:38] <mdke> so that we can decide what is the best way
[06:38] <dholbach> i see
[06:39] <dholbach> will you get an announcement out for testing/judging about this?
[06:39] <mdke> yeah, a thread is open on the mailing list
[06:39] <mdke> i really wanted to see whether html will work ok in yelp
[06:39] <dholbach> cool, make sure you're heard everywhere
[06:39] <mdke> yes, absolutely
[06:39] <mdke> i want to talk to seb and jdub about it 
[06:40] <dholbach> you guys rock
[06:40] <mdke> i favour html myself, due to the fact that it loads 300 times faster, and looks nicer (or will do)
[06:40] <mdke> but we need to ensure that the translations will work
[06:40] <dholbach> and the packaging guide too
[06:40] <dholbach> ROCK
[06:40] <dholbach> although it could be de-crack-ed a bit :)
[06:40] <dholbach> but NICE
[06:40] <dholbach> i'm quite happy
[06:41] <mdke> cool
[06:41] <dholbach> i will build the package in pbuilder and see if that works too
[06:41] <dholbach> then upload it
[06:41] <mdke> great
[06:41] <mdke> once it's uploaded, I'll start the html or xml war
[06:42] <mdke> heh
[06:42] <dholbach> if you don't mind, i do another changelog entry (but the others will appear on dapper-changes too), to explain what was removed and what was added
[06:43] <dholbach> so we don't get too much bug reports for missing translations and stuff
[06:43] <dholbach> makes sense?
[06:43] <mdke> dholbach, ok, but isn't that in the changelog already?
[06:43] <dholbach> oh you added that already?
[06:43] <mdke> think so
[06:44] <dholbach> ok it is
[06:44] <mdke>   * Removed translations (translation won't start until string freeze)
[06:44] <dholbach> :)
[06:44] <dholbach> right
[06:44] <dholbach> mdke: could you talk to elmo, so you get whitelisted for uploads?
[06:44] <dholbach> meaning, you'll get a mail if the package is accepted or not
[06:44] <mdke> you can't upload it?
[06:45] <mdke> oh it takes it from the changelog?
[06:45] <dholbach> yeah, i will sign and upload it
[06:45] <dholbach> exactly
[06:45] <mdke> sure i'll talk to him
[06:45] <dholbach> or i will add a changelog entry
[06:45] <dholbach> ok
[06:45] <dholbach> just write a signed mail, telling him, that you want to be whitelisted for uploads (i will sponsor them)
[06:45] <dholbach> ok
[06:46] <mdke> ok i'll cc it to you
[06:46] <mdke> but my key is not in trusted
[06:46] <dholbach> i think that doesnt mind for whitelisting
[06:46] <mdke> ok
[06:46] <dholbach> it's just that katie sends you a mail for every upload
[06:46] <dholbach> and your name appears on dapper-changes *YAY, FAME FACTOR!*
[06:47] <mdke> yeah bonus
[06:48] <dholbach> pbuilder is building
[06:50] <mdke> dholbach, mailed
[06:50] <dholbach> super
[06:54] <Burgwork> mdke, outlook is probably hitched to an exchange server that, becuase rob works for aussie dod, is classifying the emails
[06:55] <jjesse> watch out it will slap back
[06:56] <jjesse> i use outlook w/ exchange, what is classifying thme is not outlook, but the spam filter they are using w/ exchange
[06:57] <mdke> how come my client doesn't wrap his mail in the quoted text?
[06:57] <mdke> and what is breaking the threads?
[06:57] <mdke> it must be something to do with microsoft, surely
[06:57] <dholbach> still building :)
[06:58] <jjesse> what client are u using mdke?
[06:58] <mdke> jjesse, evolution
[06:58] <jjesse> hmm outlook is allowing me to view his emails in the thread view and when i reply to one of his emails it quotes the text normally
[06:59] <mdke> ebil
[07:23] <Burgwork> mdke, I don't blame exchange. I blame the setup that DoD put on their exchange servers
[08:01] <mdke> i've noticed the serverguide and desktopguide html doesn't have a doctype and thus fails validation
[08:02] <mdke> if we use the xhtml stylesheets, this doesn't happen
[08:02] <mdke> does anyone know (a) how to make html work, or (b) if there is any reason not to use the xhtml stylesheets?
[10:10] <LaserJock> cool
[11:22] <mdke> Burgwork, I will be initiating the html vs xml war again soon :)
[11:23] <Burgwork> mdke, oh joy
[11:24] <mdke> :)
[11:24] <mdke> LOL
[11:24] <mdke> at least my war is winnable
[11:24] <Burgwork> my reasoning will be very clear
[11:24] <Burgwork> it will not be "MEDIAWIKI SI BETTER SUXORS"
[11:24] <mdke> will it be "mediawiki will soon be written in python"?
[11:25] <Burgwork> nope
[11:25] <Burgwork> I wish
[11:25] <mdke> surely it can't win then
[11:25] <Burgwork> but I can see more of mediawiki being written in c#
[11:28] <mdke> well I think the html way will succeed
[11:28] <mdke> pending a discussion with seb about the ramifications
[11:39] <LaserJock> mdke: I just installed ubuntu-docs_5.11-3_all.deb on Breezy and now I don't have anything in System->Help
[11:39] <mdke> heh
[11:40] <mdke> how odd
[11:40] <mdke> lemme try that
[11:40] <LaserJock> it's a fresh install so maybe I missed something
[11:41] <mdke> is there any reason why it should work?
[11:41] <mdke> oh, works here
[11:41] <LaserJock> hmm
[11:42] <mdke> http://mdke.org/images/ubuntu-docs.png
[11:42] <mdke> they work too
[11:44] <LaserJock> here's mine: http://www.chem.unr.edu/~mantha/ubuntu/Screenshot.png
[11:44] <mdke> try running "sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q"
[11:45] <mdke> where did you get the deb btw?
[11:45] <mdke> if you got it from the dapper repos, maybe there is an issue with that
[11:47] <LaserJock> mdke: I got it from doc.ubuntu.com/debs it was working yesterday
[11:47] <LaserJock> but I did a fresh install today
[11:48] <mdke> odd indeed
[11:49] <LaserJock> I got a whole bunch of errors when I did sudo scrollkeeper-rebuilddb -q
[11:49] <dholbach> good night doc-people - first package in for dapper - well done!
[11:49] <mdke> night night
[11:49] <dholbach> keep up the celebrations
[11:49] <mdke> LaserJock, all involving html validation problems?
[11:49] <mdke> dholbach, thanks to you
[11:49] <dholbach> *YOU*
[11:49] <dholbach> :)
[11:49] <mdke> no, you!
[11:49] <mdke> etc
[11:50] <dholbach> ;)
[11:50] <LaserJock> "Opening and ending tag mismatch", "Input is not proper UTF-8", and "Premature end of data" in various places
[11:51] <mdke> yeah
[11:51] <mdke> that's normal
[11:51] <LaserJock> all in serverguide/C/index.html and desktopguide/C/index.html
[11:51] <mdke> i should have a fix for that tomorrow
[11:52] <LaserJock> mdke: well, I will reboot into dapper and see if it is different.
[11:52] <mdke> k