[02:07] <paolob> hola ogra!
[02:08] <ogra> hey paolob 
[02:15] <paolob> ogra: I resolved the problem with the slow downloading: it was the cable.
[02:15] <paolob> The other problem (errors booting) was a bad ram
[02:15] <ogra> i thought so ...
[02:16] <ogra> since you said it was always the same client
[02:16] <ogra> nice to hear you solved it :)
[02:18] <paolob> :-)
[02:21] <paolob> Ogra, I have a question. I have those 40 clients. May I switch all them all together (for example switching on the breakers), or is there any problem?
[02:23] <ogra> you mean putting them all on one switch ?
[02:23] <paolob> Actually they load very slowly: is it because are switched on toghether
[02:24] <ogra> thats also a drawback of the breezy ltsp ...
[02:24] <ogra> it *is* booting very slow
[02:24] <paolob> no, I mean that I was switching them on all together, and the loading in the clients is very slow. Is it because they are switched on together?
[02:24] <ogra> i dont think so ...
[02:25] <ogra> a normal breezy client takes ~90 seconds to boot
[02:25] <paolob> There is a _special_ delay after the line:
[02:26] <ogra> in breezy we have all services on the client you also have on the desktop installation (which was quite silly) 
[02:26] <paolob> Begin: Running /script/nfs-premount - Done
[02:26] <ogra> additionally the nfs mountin is very slow
[02:26] <ogra> yup
[02:26] <ogra> exactly 
[02:26] <paolob> This evening a client lasted 3 minutes there
[02:27] <ogra> there is a spec for faster booting in the next release, i'm working on that
[02:27] <paolob> but does the client's cpu speed affect the client booting speed?
[02:27] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientFasterStartup
[02:27] <ogra> nope
[02:27] <paolob> But then, why some client boots faster than other?
[02:27] <ogra> its the amount of services that gets started, a sleep command in the nfs code which is totally useless
[02:28] <ogra> that might be a network thing ...
[02:29] <paolob> network thing? why? I saw boot speed differences in clients connected to the same switch...
[02:29] <ogra> hmm
[02:30] <ogra> different CPUs ?
[02:30] <ogra> its very unlikely that the CPU speed affects the boot procee much ...
[02:30] <paolob> no, I thing the cpu is the same
[02:31] <ogra> execpt if you compare a PII 233 to a 1Ghz machine or so
[02:31] <ogra> same amount of ram ? 
[02:31] <paolob> I have pII/III 350
[02:32] <paolob> so the 3 min delay after  Begin: Running /script/nfs-premount - Done is normal?
[02:37] <ogra> did it happen on the first boot after the server was started ? there is a bug i couldnt track down yet, that causes a delay... but 3 min are very much
[02:38] <ogra> i havent seen 3 min yet 
[02:38] <ogra> sorry, need to reboot, brb
[03:57] <mhz> hi
[02:22] <Timsen> hi!
[02:25] <ogra> hi :)
[03:11] <mhz> hi all
[03:11] <neurogeek> mhz, long time no see.. how are you doing?
[03:12] <mhz> neurogeek: just fine! how about you? how did the Foro go?
[03:12] <mhz> neurogeek: we have #edubuntu-es
[03:12] <mhz> !
[03:13] <mhz> neurogeek: have you seen PythonEduLab?
[03:13] <neurogeek> the Foro was nice.. some problems in organization, but it went just fine
[03:13] <neurogeek> no.. i haven't.. some links??
[03:14] <mhz> wiki:PythonEduLab :)
[03:15] <neurogeek> Ok
[03:15] <neurogeek> mhz, how are you doing?
[03:16] <mhz> just  a little worried money is not coming in but out
[03:16] <neurogeek> mhz, things will get better
[03:17] <mhz> yup
[03:17] <mhz> maybe after xmas
[03:18] <mhz> i cant complain, my family is healthy :)
[03:18] <mhz> so no doctors, no hospitals, etc.
[03:18] <neurogeek> thats great
[03:19] <mhz> were people happy with the foro
[03:21] <neurogeek> yes.. most people were happy with the foro.. it was a nice experience, but better you didn't invest that money in comming
[03:22] <neurogeek> because you would have made some impact, but not as much as you've wanted to
[03:22] <mhz> why?
[03:22] <neurogeek> they are starting to organize next year's event.. that is going to be a whole better in that sense
[03:23] <neurogeek> because there were mostly people concerned with migration stuff.. and not a lot of people interested in education
[03:24] <mhz> oh
[03:24] <mhz> were people interested in free access to IT?
[03:24] <mhz> and free access to knowledge?
[03:25] <neurogeek> yes, but not as much as i would like
[03:25] <neurogeek> but we should start talking about plans and actions to be taken.. and start spreading words from now on
[03:27] <mhz> neurogeek: cool
[03:27] <mhz> ubuntu-marketing is working on some nice initiatives
[03:28] <neurogeek> perfect.. 
[03:28] <mhz> personally, i like the idea of UbuntuInStore day
[03:29] <neurogeek> whats that??
[03:29] <mhz> and regardign edubuntu, I have just finished my first proposal for edubuntu invitations, so people (teachers, parents, etc) receive one for edubuntu demos.
[03:29] <neurogeek> excellent
[03:29] <mhz> what?
[03:29] <mhz> http://wiki.edubuntu.org/UbuntuInStoresDay
[03:30] <mhz> also, magicfab (Fabian...) has done an Ubuntu 'leaflet' (similar to a diptico) for spanish efforts
[03:31] <mhz> and, last but not least, magicfab has also started UbuntuInLibraries
[03:31] <mhz> very coold idea!
[03:32] <neurogeek> yes.. jejeje it is a very nice idea
[03:32] <mhz> and me, neurogeek, in case you wish to jump up, I am starting to work on windowmaker themed for edubuntu light boxes
[03:33] <mhz> neurogeek: which of all?
[03:34] <neurogeek> all of them.. UbuntuInLibraries(Stores) and the Ubuntu leaflet
[03:34] <neurogeek> i would rather use fluxbox instead of windowmaker.... 
[03:35] <neurogeek> but i could help, some way or another
[03:35] <mhz> and I should have a meeting with Pablo (designer volutneered for edubuntu stuff) about desktops design for 3 set of ages
[03:35] <mhz> neurogeek: I showed fluxbox to very non linux people (wife, mom, dad, etc)  THey paniced
[03:36] <neurogeek> hehehe i could imagine those faces.
[03:36] <mhz> ogra: JaneW: hi.  What should I say to Pablo? which set of desktop should we work on for dapper? 
[03:37] <mhz> indeed
[03:37] <mhz> but maybe I didn't customize it very much
[03:37] <ogra> i thought you already decided that
[03:37] <mhz> ogra: but you mentioned a hired designer that will help
[03:37] <ogra> and its your decision ...
[03:37] <mhz> just you didnt know which set 
[03:37] <ogra> yes, for the default desktop
[03:38] <ogra> ah, k
[03:38] <ogra> the edubutu-artwork package will have 3 choices for different ages ...
[03:38] <mhz> yup
[03:38] <ogra> i havent heard back from jane silber yet 
[03:39] <mhz> hmm, any ideas how soon we could know?
[03:39] <ogra> might take some weeks ... i think she first wants to have this person 
[03:39] <mhz> or... can we just decide for 2 artowrks and the person works on the pending one?
[03:39] <ogra> but there is no problem adding a fourth option "community contributed" to the package
[03:40] <ogra> nope, i'd like to clerify it with the management first ...
[03:40] <mhz> ok, it just that i am trying to set priorities
[03:40] <ogra> the last minute artwork change in breezy caused a lot of trouble ... i wont do that again
[03:40] <mhz> and, you know the date for daper freeze?
[03:41] <ogra> see DapperReleaseSchedule ...
[03:41] <mhz> duh! ok
[03:41] <ogra> (not from the top ofmy head)
[03:41] <mhz> neurogeek: btw, ogra  needs people with py skills :)
[03:42] <ogra> absolutely ...
[03:42] <neurogeek> ogra, nice to meet you.. if i can be of any help.. just let me know
[03:42] <mhz> neurogeek: there are lots of things to do
[03:42] <ogra> i have a bzr archive with several projects, feel free to branch one or the other: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/bzr-archive/
[03:43] <ogra> :)
[03:43] <mhz> neurogeek: and ogra needs people hands for py so he can have spare time for the girlfriend :D
[03:43] <neurogeek> Ok
[03:44] <neurogeek> i'll take a look
[03:44] <neurogeek> jejeje
[03:44] <ogra> mhz, heh, she will be pleased to hear :)
[03:44] <mhz> neurogeek: thx
[03:44] <mhz> :) i thought so, ogra
[03:45] <mhz> neurogeek: and in case i can write a proper mail yet, please spread the word that people can now happily visit #edubuntu-es (so no excuses)
[03:45] <mhz> :)
[03:46] <neurogeek> OK. i'll do that
[03:46] <mhz> cool
[03:57] <mhz> ogra: i dont want to bug but it's been long since I wrote 2 mails to mako and ping him in IRC (no that long here), and still zero answer. Today is not a big deal to me because first article is on its way to distribution but next article I'd like to see the list update.
[03:58] <ogra> mhz, i cant reach him on other ways than you ...
[03:59] <ogra> sorry ...
[04:00] <ogra> i could only mail him or ping him on IRC as well ...
[04:00] <ogra> i promise i'll ask him if i see him around ..
[04:01] <mhz> thx, and I hope you/him understand this "buging" is caused only because I did mention the url in 2 articles.
[04:01] <mhz> and don't wanna look like a liar or lier
[04:03] <ogra> i understand you very well ... and i agree that its a uncomfortable situation... but since mako doesnt work for canonical anymore he's very busy ...
[04:03] <ogra> and hard to catch
[04:03] <mhz> ok
[04:22] <mhz> ogra: is it afrikaans the language?
[04:23] <ogra> of what ? 
[04:24] <mhz> is that the way highvoltage's language is written?
[04:24] <mhz> never mind, he can fix it if it is a typo.
[04:24] <ogra> no idea if he natively speaks afrikaans
[04:25] <ogra> we always spoke english, even in person
[04:25] <mhz> ah
[04:26] <mhz> yup, afrikaans it is. he's memeber of the lp translator team
[07:13] <Belutz> ogra, do you have the picture file of the edubuntu text in the first page of your edubuntu_talk.pdf ?
[07:13] <ogra> hmm, let me look ...
[07:13] <ogra> i have all pics, yes ...
[07:15] <Belutz> could you send all the pics to belutz@ubuntu.com ?
[07:15] <Belutz> thanks in advance :-)
[07:16] <ogra> thats the screenshot ? 
[07:16] <ogra> ah, ok, sure ...
[07:16] <Belutz> yes with the screenshot also :)
[08:00] <Belutz> ogra, thanks
[08:18] <Lord_Athur> hi
[08:21] <jelkner> ogra: hi oliver, are you here?
[08:23] <ogra> jelkner, sorry, i've to prepare a meeting, no time before 21 UTC
[08:23] <jelkner> ok, talk to you later then...
[08:27] <Lord_Athur> how can I download the code made for the developers for the new edubuntu version?
[08:34] <Lord_Athur> nobody?
[11:09] <jelkner> ogra: oliver, are you finished with your meeting?
[11:14] <jelkner> jinty: thanks for repackaging cando!
[11:16] <jelkner> oh well, looks like nobody is here... i'll check back tomorrow...