[01:58] <allee> JRe: ping. still up?
[01:58] <raphink> hi
[01:58] <allee> hey, hi raphink 
[01:59] <Tm_T> hullo kids
[01:59] <raphink> how are you doing?
[01:59] <raphink> :)
[01:59] <allee> Tm_T: hi grand pa
[01:59] <Tm_T> after hours of fighting, I'm finally able to have some noise out from this machine
[01:59] <raphink> hi Tm_T :)
[01:59] <raphink> hehe
[02:00] <Tm_T> a) most of music player apps doesnt work at all (segfault or glibc errors)
[02:00] <Tm_T> b) what? no audio modules loaded?
[02:00] <raphink> hehe
[02:00] <Tm_T> bit kind of lottery to find some names of module, then trying what modules I need
[02:01] <Tm_T> s/bit/was/
[02:01] <Tm_T> just too tired to think, too angry to sleep
[02:02] <Tm_T> raphink: my mind
[02:03] <Tm_T> don't even try to understand ;)
[02:03] <Tm_T> I can't
[02:03] <raphink> bug 2217 :: package : Tm_T/mind ; bug description : when typing was, ouput is bit ; assigned to : bed ;
[02:03] <raphink> will do it
[02:03] <Tm_T> raphink: sorry, can't sleep soon
[02:03] <allee> JRe: ping me when you're up (but not too early ;)  Planed topic: KubuntuPackagingGuide
[02:04] <Tm_T> but try to relax ->
[02:04] <raphink> I can sleep for you if you want
[02:04] <raphink> it's 2AM (wow 2AM!)
[02:04] <raphink> so I'll go soon
[02:04] <raphink> I'm even too tired to assle MOTUs on reviewing a few of my packages
[02:04] <allee> raphink: you disappoint me
[02:04] <raphink> allee: why?
[02:04] <Tm_T> it's 0304 here
[02:05] <raphink> Tm_T: what country?
[02:05] <allee> raphink: you want to go to bed
[02:05] <raphink> oh suomi
[02:05] <raphink> allee: so what? you don't sleep?
[02:05] <raphink> allee: wanna try my grub-splashimages package ? muahaha :)
[02:05] <Tm_T> raphink: Finland
[02:05] <allee> not that early.  But I better would do it ;)
[02:06] <raphink> hehe :p
[02:06] <raphink> I improved it lately
[02:06] <raphink> there was a funny bug
[02:06] <raphink> linked to the fact that hda /-> (hd0,0)
[02:06] <raphink> would be too simple ;)
[02:06] <raphink> hehe
[02:07] <raphink> I had my first package tested by a guy on #kubuntu, and it crashed grub
[02:07] <Tm_T> ;)
[02:07] <raphink> because well his /boot was on /dev/hdc1
[02:07] <allee> raphink: splash screens are not my favorites  (and I have to  answer some bug reports :(
[02:07] <raphink> hey that was you Tm_T 
[02:07] <raphink> see I'm getting tired
[02:07] <raphink> LOOOOOOOL
[02:07] <raphink> lol
[02:08] <raphink> Tm_T: but heh it works now :D
[02:08] <raphink> thanks to the #grub people :)
[02:08] <raphink> watchout Tm_T, the pillar !
[02:08] <raphink> don't put your hands on your face like this when you walk
[02:08] <Tm_T> raphink: yes it works, have seen it in ~10 boots after your fix
[02:09] <raphink> what do you mean Tm_T ?
[02:09] <raphink> you rebooted 10 times since ?
[02:09] <Tm_T> oh yes
[02:09] <Tm_T> or more
[02:09] <raphink> wow
[02:09] <raphink> that is a booting machine you have here ;)
[02:09] <raphink> testing how many times you can boot before you crash the BIOS? ;)
[02:09] <Tm_T> nice kernel borkage in dapper ;)
[02:10] <raphink> ;)
[02:10] <Tm_T> that's might be the reason why my audio modules wasn't loaded at the boot lately
[02:10] <Tm_T> not fun
[02:10] <raphink> hehe
[02:10] <raphink> it's not my package I can tell 
[02:11] <Tm_T> it's not
[02:11] <raphink> ;)
[02:11] <raphink> hehe
[02:11] <Tm_T> just if I get nvidia drivers and amarok working
[02:11] <raphink> oh I have to test ati on my X
[02:12] <raphink> I saw that fglrx had been modified today
[02:12] <raphink> so it might work now
[02:12] <raphink> I'll try it now
[02:12] <raphink> I feel lucky ;)
[02:12] <raphink> tsch for now
[02:25] <raphink> pff
[02:27] <Tm_T> ok, good night, stay in the light ->
[08:58] <viviersf> Riddell, ping , need your help plz
[09:20] <verwilst> hellow
[09:20] <verwilst> Riddell: ping
[10:55] <Tm_T> whee
[10:55] <Tm_T> now juk plays mp3 tracks, but not oggs
[11:33] <allee> JRe: ping
[12:43] <amu> Riddell: ping
[12:51] <tvo> uh oh. kio_http locked up my computer..
[01:49] <freeflying_> raphink: have you use hibernate under kubuntu
[01:49] <raphink> I don't have a laptop
[01:50] <freeflying_> raphink: destop shall hibernate also
[01:50] <raphink> I didn't try it
[01:50] <raphink> I have enough problems with dapper without trying that
[01:50] <raphink> ;)
[01:51] <raphink> kernel .15 doesn't boot
[01:51] <freeflying_> raphink: I never make it works since hoary
[01:51] <raphink> my sound card is not recognized anymore
[01:51] <raphink> the ati acceleration doesnt work
[01:51] <raphink> haven't tried hibernation ever
[01:51] <freeflying_> you have upgraded kernel to 2.15?
[01:52] <raphink> 2.6.15
[01:52] <raphink> I didn't choose it
[01:52] <freeflying_> y
[01:52] <raphink> it was in the dist-upgrade today
[01:52] <freeflying_> how about it 
[01:52] <raphink> doesn't boot
[01:53] <raphink> it stops at PCMCIA recognition
[01:53] <raphink> I have no PCMCIA
[01:53] <freeflying_> but the restricted-module is not avalibe >
[01:54] <\sh> why nobody reads the topic on #ubuntu-devel?
[01:55] <\sh> "Dapper getting new kernels, very unstable; don't bother trying to install it. NO, REALLY, DON'T."
[01:55] <raphink> hehe
[01:55] <raphink> well I just dist-upgrade -d
[01:55] <raphink> but it's ok my menu.lst still has .12
[01:55] <raphink> so that's fine ;)
[01:57] <raphink> recompile the kernel to get hibernation freeflying... no thanks ;)
[03:51] <kozz> about the KDE 3.5 packages for breezy, I'm wondering if there are any plans to make ppc binaries?
[03:55] <amu> they are mostly ready, but i cant catch Riddell 
[03:55] <jjesse> i thought Riddell mentioned that he was working on them yesterday?
[03:55] <kozz> ohh, nice
[03:56] <kozz> takes a while to compile it on my machine
[03:56] <kozz> so anyday soon then?
[03:56] <amu> hold on i'll move them manual
[03:58] <amu> deb http://kubuntu.org/~amu/pool ./
[04:02] <kozz> but that isn't everything?
[04:04] <amu> yep, Riddell original package are not completely uploaded ... as i said, i cant reach him to fix that problem 
[04:05] <kozz> right
[04:05] <kozz> but thanks, will give it a try
[04:07] <amu> hint, those 4 packages are 80% of your compiletime
[04:21] <kozz> seems to work well
[04:23] <raphink> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/444950
[04:23] <raphink> is this normal ??? ^^
[04:23] <raphink> installing hotplug would remove all the kernels on my machine !
[04:34] <amu> sounds you use dapper, file a bug against the kernel
[05:43] <Riddell> amu: hi
[05:44] <Tm_T> good day
[05:45] <Tm_T> looks like dapper got nvidia xorg module
[05:58] <amu> Riddell: wb 
[05:58] <amu> uploaded 3.5 ppc brezzy packages to my homedir
[05:58] <amu> arts/lib/base/pim are done
[05:58] <amu> I'm missing the diffs in network/admin and others
[05:58] <amu> doesnt kdeutils replace kamamba ? better put a replaces on it.
[05:58] <amu> automake1.9 is still lost in the builddeps kdebase
[06:01] <Riddell> kdeutils now includes superkaramba, nothing replaced just a different source package
[06:03] <Riddell> amu: not sure where those diffs went but you can get the sources from the ubuntu archives, just add a 0ubuntu0breezy1 changelog entry
[06:05] <amu> Filename: pool/universe/s/superkaramba/superkaramba_0.36-1ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:05] <amu> that the old one ... not sure about the new versioning  
[06:06] <Riddell> new one in dapper is pool/universe/k/kdeutils/superkaramba_3.5-rc2-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[06:08] <amu> Riddell: ok, should be no prob, diffed the verisons yesterday and saw that the new stuff ;) 
[06:14] <jjesse> can i just say that this week i've been forced back into windows mode for some work stuff (for the auditor) and i miss the friendlyness of kubuntu
[06:14] <jjesse> i get much more done :P
[06:14] <Riddell> jjesse: can't audit kubuntu?
[06:15] <jjesse> no the bank is getting audited this week
[06:15] <amu> jjesse: that's a reason to change your job :) 
[06:15] <jjesse> and some of the reporting tools i need to use to create reports for the auditor i can't find an open source alternative
[06:16] <jjesse> amu: well i'm a windows network admin by trade, so maybe i would have to switch careers :)
[06:20] <amu> interesting, you work with windows, in private you use linux?  
[06:21] <jjesse> amu: yes i am a windows admin, use two linux boxes at work for various things, work laptop dual boots windows and linux
[06:21] <jjesse> linux boxes run request tracker (for helpdesk software) and nagios (network monitoring)
[06:38] <jjesse> did my last comment shut everyone up?
[06:43] <Riddell> jjesse: we still love you!
[06:43] <jjesse> Riddell: grin i was worried there for a minute :)
[06:43] <Tm_T> we do?
[06:43] <Tm_T> ah yes sure we do
[06:43] <Tm_T> (how long I have to play along...)
[06:43] <jjesse> at least until i leave the channel
[06:44] <Tm_T> heh
[06:44] <Tm_T> then before you leave...
[06:44] <Tm_T> jjesse <3
[06:44] <\sh> Riddell: ah ...at last :) tell me something about the .pot creation. do we have to install it somehow?
[06:44] <Tm_T> ok, I think that's enough, you can go
[06:44] <jjesse> grin thanks Tim_T
[06:45] <Tm_T> ;)
[06:48] <Riddell> \sh: nothing needs installed except gettext-kde and kdesdk-scripts which both come with delibs4-dev
[06:48] <Riddell> kdelibs4-dev
[06:49] <\sh> Riddell: no i mean how are the .pot files extracted then?
[06:49] <Riddell> \sh: if a .pot is generated it gets extracted by the buildds and sent to rosetta
[06:50] <Riddell> although rosetta isn't picking up dapper yet, it will keep them and use at some point
[06:50] <\sh> ah...that's the way how it works :)
[06:50] <\sh> cool
[06:50] <\sh> but right now I'm stucked with kmymoney2 because libaqbanking is missing...because of a missing xvfb-run script
[06:51] <Riddell> \sh: you also need a patch which is in tthe 3.5 packages in dapper
[06:51] <\sh> which one?
[06:52] <Riddell> common/kubuntu_01_kdepot.diff
[06:52] <Riddell> it may only apply to an up-to-date admin directory, if it's too much hassle don't worry
[06:56] <\sh> k
[08:30] <Tm_T> happy day \o/
[08:30] <Tm_T> I can see glxgears :p
[08:42] <Tm_T> anyone in dapper?
[08:42] <Riddell> yes
[08:42] <Tm_T> hum, and newest kernel etc?
[08:43] <Tm_T> because eth0 isn't pulled up in boot, I have to do ifup eth0 manually
[08:43] <Tm_T> atleast amaroK works <3
[08:43] <Tm_T> and nvidia, finally :)
[08:44] <Riddell> don't have latest linux
[08:44] <Tm_T> ok
[08:45] <Tm_T> funny though, when else is fixed and "fixed", then net connection has small issues :p
[08:58] <Tm_T> and, now after boot...
[08:58] <Tm_T> ~$ pidof python
[08:58] <Tm_T> 8734 6999 6994 6992 6990 6988 6986 6984 6982 6980 6978 6976 6972 6971 6909 6908
[08:59] <Tm_T> I have no idea why there's python processes
[08:59] <Tm_T> hmm, let's see what happens when I kill 'em all
[09:00] <Tm_T> nothing that I can see...
[09:30] <Tonio_> evening
[09:31] <Riddell> good afternoon Tonio_ 
[09:31] <Diablo-D3> hey Riddell 
[09:32] <Diablo-D3> kde almost works =P
[09:32] <Tm_T> doh
[09:34] <Diablo-D3> krita only needs a simple rebuild
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> infact
[09:35] <Tonio_> hi Riddell , Tm_T  and Diablo-D3 
[09:35] <Diablo-D3>   k3b k3b-mp3 k3blibs katapult kde-systemsettings kdebluetooth kio-apt
[09:35] <Diablo-D3>   kio-locate koffice-libs konserve krita ksystemlog
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> out of those, most will do okay with a simple rebuild
[09:35] <Tm_T> Tonio_: hullo :)
[09:35] <jjesse> Diablo-D3: i haven't had any issues w/ kde 3.5
[09:35] <jjesse> on either breezy or dapper
[09:35] <Diablo-D3> jjesse: this is just installation issues.
[09:36] <Diablo-D3> jjesse: the ones I've been helping Riddell keep track of ;)
[09:45] <Tm_T> surprisingly hard
[09:46] <Tm_T> bah bah
[09:47] <Tm_T> maybe I'm too old for this afterall
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> heh
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> that isnt it Tm_T 
[09:53] <Diablo-D3> its surprisingly stupid
[09:54] <Tm_T> what is stupid
[09:54] <Tm_T> I am? that's true
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> no
[09:55] <Diablo-D3> the form is
[09:56] <Diablo-D3> the whole process of becoming a kde developer is retarded
[09:57] <Tm_T> uh
[09:57] <Tm_T> form?
[09:57] <Tm_T> http://developer.kde.org/documentation/misc/applysvnaccount.php
[09:57] <Tm_T> Diablo-D3: you are confusing me
[09:58] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: Im talking /everything/
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> the whole making /perfect/ patches, and the whole signing up for an svn account, and the whole being nice to other developers until you've written as much code for kde as them
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> if I'm coding for a project, then said project better get the fuck out of my way and let me code
[09:59] <Diablo-D3> and dont bother me until Im done
[10:01] <Diablo-D3> Tm_T: this, btw, is why I dont code for kde
[10:04] <Tm_T> huh
[10:04] <Tm_T> and I was literally asked to hop in
[10:04] <Diablo-D3> so was I
[10:04] <Diablo-D3> I was personally asked by several kde devs to code on certain things
[10:04] <Tm_T> uh
[10:04] <Tm_T> and some others felt you're stepped to their territory?
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> nope, I said I dont like the way the kde community works, and I declined their request.
[10:05] <Tm_T> ok
[10:05] <Tm_T> I understand
[10:06] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> theres two ways of doing development
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> a) you have developers
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> b) you have a benevolent overlord
[10:06] <Diablo-D3> kde fits in category a, the linux kernel fits in category b.
[10:07] <Tm_T> hmm, new words...
[10:07] <Tm_T> benevolent?
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> opposite of maloveloent
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> *malevolent
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> oh screw it
[10:07] <Diablo-D3> english sucks
[10:07] <Tm_T> :p
[10:08] <Tm_T> I use dictionary then =)
[10:08] <Tm_T> thanks anyway for good try ;)
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> s/dictionary/google/
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> googe for "define benevolent"
[10:08] <Tm_T> nah
[10:09] <Tm_T> http://www.ilmainensanakirja.fi/?q=P-12.Q-benevo.Q2-benevolent
[10:09] <Tm_T> straight translated to finnish ;)
[10:09] <Tm_T> ah yes, now I understand what you mean
[10:11] <Tm_T> anyway, have to mail this application asap :p