[12:03] <Kevin72594> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1
[12:04] <Kevin72594> i'm thiunking just changing the type in fdisk would fix it, but I don't want to lose all the data
[12:04] <LjL> Kevin72594: http://www.patoche.org/LTT/install/00000117.html <-- not directly related, but you probably should read this
[12:04] <LjL> Kevin72594: you won't lose the data, as the ntfs fs will only mount your partition in read-only mode unless you explicitely tell it otherwise
[12:05] <LjL> Kevin72594: i assume you gave mount the "-t ntfs" option
[12:05] <Kevin72594> yes I did
[12:06] <Kevin72594> LjL: do you think just changing fs type to whatever ntfs is in fdisk will be worth a shot?
[12:06] <LjL> worth a shot, yeah
[12:06] <LjL> it's nothing you can't put back to the way it was before in any case
[12:07] <Kevin72594> what type is ntfs supposed to be?
[12:08] <raphink> ntfs
[12:08] <Kevin72594> no, in fdisk what number is it supposed to be, there's 3 or 4 different ntfs ones
[12:09] <LjL> http://www.linux.com/howtos/Large-Disk-HOWTO-7.shtml
[12:09] <LjL> read this, especially the last two paragraphs
[12:11] <LjL> Kevin72594: 87 from memory
[12:11] <LjL> not sure
[12:12] <makyron> anyone know if there is a kubuntu package for gkrellm?
[12:12] <LjL> makyron: apt-cache search gkrellm?
[12:13] <LjL> (anyway gkrellm is a Gnome program, so asking if there is a *k*ubuntu package is a bit weird ;-)
[12:13] <makyron> that's not true, I've used gkrellm in kde...
[12:13] <makyron> it's always worked fine :-/
[12:13] <LjL> why, who said you can't use gnome programs in kde?
[12:14] <makyron> meh
[12:14] <ice9> what are the names for cpu and memory weather 
[12:14] <makyron> semantics...  sry
[12:14] <ice9> its a utility 
[12:15] <LjL> makyron: anyway, just install the "gkrellm" package, it's there for you. if you don't have it, then you've got to enable the Universe repository
[12:16] <Tm_T> ok, recommend me a good music player other than 'roK or juk
[12:16] <Tm_T> and please no xmms or other that kind, "winamp" ui is horrible these days
[12:17] <makyron> I can't seem to get the universe repository enabled...  every time I right click and choose enable, if I apply and then go back in, it's still disabled :(
[12:19] <makyron> nm, I'm dumb, I'm hitting the wrong apply button :-O
[12:19] <LjL> makyron: i dunno, but just change /etc/apt/source.list
[12:19] <Tm_T> makyron: :p
[12:20] <makyron> Thanks, I think I got it...
[12:20] <makyron> :)
[12:23] <makyron> it's working now LjL...  thanks for your help :-D
[12:24] <LjL> np
[12:24] <kkathman> cheers!
[12:24] <LjL> ;)
[12:26] <fatejudger> raphink: does the News section of Konq work for you?
[12:27] <Tm_T> :'(
[12:28] <ice9> I just installed gkrellweather 
[12:28] <ice9> now where is it 
[12:28] <ice9> lol
[12:28] <ice9> its not in my plugins at all 
[12:30] <Knowerrors> Looks like ivman is still needed in kde 3.5 , you want to control automounting of removable media
[12:30] <Tm_T> nope it's not
[12:30] <Tm_T> amd is all you need
[12:33] <manveru> Tm_T, well, that was a bit... lame... ;)
[12:33] <Tm_T> err?
[12:33] <Tm_T> what was lame, and why
[12:34] <manveru> hard to explain... should have been funny...
[12:34] <manveru> at least a little bit...
[12:34] <kkathman> ?
[12:35] <Knowerrors> Tm_T: were you responding to what I put?
[12:36] <Tm_T> Knowerrors: yes
[12:37] <Knowerrors> what do you "amd"
[12:37] <Knowerrors> mean
[12:37] <Tm_T> !info amd
[12:37] <ubotu> amd: (Dummy package for upgrades), section universe/net, is extra. Version: 1:0.3 (breezy), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[12:37] <Tm_T> hmm
[12:38] <Knowerrors> do you mean am-utils?
[12:38] <Tm_T> am-utils - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
[12:38] <Tm_T> yes
[12:38] <Tm_T> amd = AutoMounter Daemon
[12:39] <Knowerrors> there should be a way with kde 3.5 to control that without am-utils
[12:39] <Knowerrors> it has a pop up for unmounted devices that ask to open in new window, which only mounts the device
[12:40] <Knowerrors> then you have to manually browse to the device in Konq
[12:40] <v0taguz> wenas 
[12:40] <v0taguz> alguien tiene instalado el cedega 
[12:41] <dennis_p> well the current auto mount does not work well with usb sticks so steps for alternatives are welcome
[12:42] <Knowerrors> dennis_p: is am-utils prob best way to go, or ivman? (this is for kde 3.5)
[12:45] <dennis_p> well I thought I'd ask Knowerrors. :-)
[12:46] <Knowerrors> hmm, Im gonna try am-utils for now, because all I want to do is mount ;)
[12:48] <dennis_p> automount for a music CD works now, it used to try to play it over the cable to the sound card, which of course i don't have.
[12:48] <dennis_p> very happy with 3.5 atm :-)
[12:48] <Knowerrors> yeah, with a dialog... try pluggin in a usb flash drive
[12:49] <Knowerrors> it will only mount when you tell it open in new window
[12:52] <dennis_p> Knowerrors: is it easy to replace ivman with am-utils? How?
[12:53] <Knowerrors> well, sudo apt-get uninstall ivman, sudo apt-get install am-utils
[12:54] <Knowerrors> or do the same in Synaptic
[12:54] <Knowerrors> easier in Synaptic
[12:54] <dennis_p> ok, nice to know that works. I'll do that.
[12:55] <Knowerrors> don't know yet if am-utils is better though, installing it right now myself
[12:55] <Knowerrors> maybe better to just edit the ivman config file
[01:17] <fatejudger> is anyone having some weirdness with Konq displaying text files in KDE 3.5?
[01:17] <fatejudger> it's all distorted
[01:18] <now3d> Hi,  just got this  http://pastebin.com/444318   " Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module is version 1.0.7174, but this X module is version 1.0.7667 Please be sure that your kernel module and all NVIDIA driver files have the same driver version."   I wonder if someone knows the filename of the X module?/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/nvidia_drv.o  is 7667 so I cannot find the one it is complaining about    
[01:20] <now3d> I have linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-10-k7 installed which contains 7667 as well..
[01:22] <now3d> hmm, it seems to be linux-restricted-modules-2.6.12-9-386  I think
[01:29] <troth> how can i update to the new fiirefox that came out today?
[01:30] <Judax> troth: I believe there were some people working on instructions on the wiki, you might check there
[01:31] <Judax> troth: https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[01:31] <lar> anyone else having issues with gam_server hogging the CPU
[01:32] <troth> k thanks
[01:32] <lar> can't figure it out, not sure if it is because of KDE 3.5 or what
[01:34] <gochoo> Hi all, i have some trouble with VPN client,i am able to connect to VPN server, but it sends huge amount of data, but recieving nothing? ANY IDEA?
[01:35] <troth> Judax: ya its up, thanks
[01:47] <rcmn> hello 
[01:47] <rcmn> any news on pkg for firefox 1.5
[01:48] <robotgeek> rcmn: in dapper,most probably
[01:48] <TEMEL> Can anyone give me advice on VPN client?
[01:49] <TEMEL> I have some trouble with VPN client, it connects but it sends huge amount of data continuesly and recieves no data? ANY IDEA?
[01:50] <rcmn> yep vpn client it tied that never worked for me 
[01:50] <rcmn> but it should work
[01:50] <TEMEL> rcmn: Actually i can connect to vpn server
[01:50] <rcmn> good 
[01:51] <rcmn> so what is tu 're pbm 
[01:51] <rcmn> ok 
[01:51] <TEMEL> rcmn: but the problem is when i connect to vpn server, it starts sending data, 1500 KB/s
[01:51] <TEMEL> rcmn: and recieves no data
[01:51] <rcmn> do u have a dongle 
[01:51] <rcmn> to use 
[01:52] <TEMEL> dongle? what is that?
[01:52] <rcmn> encryption 
[01:52] <TEMEL> no
[01:52] <TEMEL> Should i use?
[01:53] <rcmn> did y try kvpnc ?
[01:53] <TEMEL> no, is that some kind of vpn client?
[01:53] <rcmn> it's pretty well done when u don't know what u have to do 
[01:53] <rcmn> yep 
[01:53] <rcmn> with interface 
[01:53] <TEMEL> i have tried, webmin-vpn-client and pptpconfig
[01:53] <TEMEL> the result is same :(
[01:54] <rcmn> because i suppose u have instruction for w$ but not for unixlike 
[01:54] <rcmn> hum
[01:54] <TEMEL> I read that there might be some loop in rooting table, do you have any idea about that?
[01:55] <rcmn> well it depend how u connect 
[01:55] <rcmn> cisco ?
[01:56] <gm-> Hi, could someone please tell me if the SiS (generic) vga / super vga chip is supported by kubuntu?, only I installed it last time, and the system hung / screen went blank when it booted in 
[01:56] <TEMEL> you mean vpn server?
[01:56] <gm-> I really would like to install and use it.
[01:56] <rcmn> y
[01:56] <TEMEL> no idea about that
[01:57] <rcmn> do u have instructionj for it ?
[01:57] <rcmn> it's to connect to work ,school etc
[01:57] <TEMEL> unfortunetly no instruction, it is a company that gives internet access througn their lan
[01:58] <TEMEL> there is no problem in Windows, but when i try in Kubuntu then it begins :(
[01:58] <rcmn> ok .... but do u have an account to loggin throught their vpn ?
[01:58] <rcmn> did they gave u such thing ?
[01:58] <TEMEL> of course, i have an accoun
[01:59] <rcmn> for the vpn ...
[01:59] <TEMEL> yes, account and a password for vpn
[02:02] <TEMEL> I have some trouble with VPN client, it connects but it sends huge amount of data continuesly and recieves no data? ANY IDEA?
[02:02] <conn> hi, I just installed the DRI snapshots on my system, and it seems to have worked (fixed a specific bug in the r128 driver).. however, the screen refresh is very slow, noticeable when scrolling in Firefox or even irc, can someone help me troubleshoot?
[02:03] <rcmn> hey temel what i don't understand it's a company that give u user and ID for the VPN but no instruction ,nothing 
[02:04] <rcmn> are u able to connect with win$
[02:05] <rcmn> what is the client u should use for win$
[02:06] <TEMEL> for windows it is very easy, just create another connection using wizard and it works super
[02:06] <rcmn> ok so u know it work 
[02:06] <TEMEL> yes
[02:06] <rcmn> wizard ?
[02:07] <TEMEL> some kind of wizard for new network connection
[02:10] <BlueEagl1> temel: What kind of network connection?
[02:11] <BlueEagl1> temel: Just a new network card?
[02:11] <BlueEagl1> temel: ...or are you setting up internet sharing?
[02:11] <TEMEL> no, my problem is about VPN client?
[02:11] <BlueEagl1> temel: Oh, I didn't get the first part then. :)
[02:12] <TEMEL> BlueEagle: do you have any experience?
[02:16] <mtupper> so I installed some packages via make install and want to uninstall these packages.  I have tried make uninstall but that didnt work.  anybody know of another way?  I know now that I should have done checkinstall instead of make install, but too little too late.
[02:17] <BlueEagle> temel: No, not with VNC.
[02:19] <BlueEagle> mtupper: Which app?
[02:22] <mtupper> BlueEagle: primarily asterisk, but also AMP and some other associated patches and add-ons. what happened is that I wanted Aterisk v1.2, installed that and everything was ok. Then I wanted to install AMP and 'accidently' installed Asterisk v1.0.9 over the v1.2 I had already installed and that put Asterisk in the toilet. So now I have a big mess and was hoping to be able to uninstall, but seeing as how I didn't do checkinstall its looking lik
[02:28] <BlueEagle> mtupper: I see. Have you tried installing 1.2 over 1.0.9 again?
[02:29] <mtupper> BlueEagle: NO! what a fabulous and simple idea. Thanks. I will try that now and let you know.
[02:31] <_adrian> holaaa
[02:31] <_adrian> necesito ayuda
[02:32] <_moss> how do i use the SN9C102 wecam
[02:32] <_moss> under kubuntu
[02:36] <BlueEagle> _moss: Are you sure it is supported in Linux?
[02:37] <_moss> yes
[02:37] <BlueEagle> _moss: You could use it with someting like xawtv I recon
[02:41] <_moss> it crashes using xawtv
[03:08] <Delvien> Anyone here use Kthinkbat (KDE improvment)
[03:13] <`Nomad> Hi all, is there anyone here running on Apple laptops?  If so, is it fully functional?
[03:18] <`Nomad> !apple
[03:18] <ubotu> `Nomad: Not a clue
[03:20] <Delvien> Anyone here use Kthinkbat (battery monitor _)
[03:23] <CellarDoor> oooh I noticed KDE 3.5 is out
[03:27] <CellarDoor> can I install kde 3.5 on breezy ?
[03:28] <freeflying_> CellarDoor: sure ,you can 
[03:28] <CellarDoor> oooh how do I do that (iyam a n00b)
[03:28] <CellarDoor> *excitedly
[03:29] <freeflying_> CellarDoor:  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[03:31] <CellarDoor> oh ok so after doing the jriddel key thingies I just add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main to my sources list ?
[03:32] <CellarDoor> ok thanks... gonna see how I goes :)
[03:33] <Delvien> where are applets for KDE stored?> (what dir?)
[03:33] <kkathman> evenin Delvien :)
[03:34] <Delvien> kkathman hey
[03:37] <CellarDoor> ok, now that I've added kde35 sources what do I need to do ?
[03:39] <Delvien> kkathman how do i figure out the location of an icon or picture a <filename>.desktop uses?
[03:39] <crimsun> standard location is /usr/share/pixmaps/
[03:39] <crimsun> it should -not- be hardcoded in the .desktop
[03:39] <robotgeek> Delvien: tho, you can find out by opening in your .Desktop file
[03:39] <CellarDoor> ok I just clicked "full upgrade" in Adept and comitted that... will that do it ?
[03:40] <robotgeek> crimsun: if i put the icon in ~/home, what would i need to do to have it detect the icon/execute the application?
[03:40] <CellarDoor> ooh its quite busy so I guess thats what it is doing :P
[03:40] <CellarDoor> :D
[03:41] <crimsun> robotgeek: you should put it in ~/.local/share/pixmaps/
[03:41] <CellarDoor> I tells it to goes precious and aways it goes
[03:41] <Delvien> robotgeek when i click it it launches the application
[03:41] <robotgeek> crimsun: hmm, okay. what about applications? 
[03:42] <CellarDoor> ooh this is exciting
[03:42] <robotgeek> Delvien: open it in a text editor, gedit <filename>.desktop
[03:42] <Delvien> robotgeek o
[03:42] <crimsun> robotgeek: then modify ~/.local/share/applications/foo.desktop to point to the relative path underneath ~/.local/share/pixmaps/foobar.gack
[03:42] <Delvien> robotgeek where are KDE applets stored?
[03:43] <robotgeek> Delvien: not sure
[03:43] <mtupper> BlueEagle: Dude you are money! that worked and this time I installed with checkinstall, which for all you rookies out there is the way to go or else you will get stuck in compiling hell, so now, if I need, I can uninstall via Synaptic... ahhh. good night. 
[03:43] <robotgeek> crimsun: hmm, not quite sure i am following you. is that not hard-coding it? 
[03:44] <crimsun> robotgeek: no. Icon=~/.local/share/pixmaps/foobar.gack == hardcoded
[03:44] <crimsun> robotgeek: Icon=foobar.gack != hardcoded
[03:45] <crimsun> this all presumes that your KDE version follows the xdg spec closely
[03:45] <Knowerrors> Hey all, in KDE 3.5, when insterting usb flash drive, I see it unmounted in media:/ , when I click on the icon, it mounts but doesn't show the contents, the contents are acutally located in /media/sda1, whats up with that?
[03:45] <robotgeek> crimsun: okay, my bad. it was for gnome. tho, it will be useful when i do the kde version
[03:46] <crimsun> robotgeek: is this for a specific user or system-wide?
[03:46] <seth_k|lappy> robotgeek, how comes "the project"? :P
[03:47] <robotgeek> crimsun: i would be interested in both, if that's too much to explain, a link to the manual would also work
[03:47] <crimsun> robotgeek: the spec is somewhere under the fd.o hierarchy
[03:47] <robotgeek> crimsun: okay, thanks. atleast i know where to look now :)
[03:47] <crimsun> robotgeek: system-wide .desktop files go into /usr/share/applications/
[03:48] <crimsun> robotgeek: user-specific into ~/.local/share/applications/
[03:48] <mtupper> anyone heard of a way to get my "media controls" on my HP Pavilion dv1000 keyboard to work?  or no where I should look?
[03:48] <crimsun> likewise /usr/share/pixmaps/ and ~/.local/share/pixmaps/
[03:48] <robotgeek> crimsun: hmm, i got that part right. tho, i'm worried about the Exec
[03:49] <crimsun> robotgeek: Exec shouldn't be hardcoded either. It should use what's in $PATH.
[03:49] <crimsun> Exec=/usr/bin/rhythmbox  => bad
[03:49] <crimsun> Exec=rhythmbox  => good
[03:49] <robotgeek> crimsun: hmm, okay. i'll try messing with that. appreciate your help!
[03:49] <robotgeek> crimsun: i did $HOME/bin/fooapp well, it said doesn't execute.
[03:50] <crimsun> that's a hardcoded path
[03:51] <crimsun> make sure your ~/.bash_profile (or login profile for shell of choice) {pre,ap}pends ~/bin
[03:51] <Delvien> does ANYONE know where KDE applets are stored
[03:52] <robotgeek> crimsun: yup, will do. 
[03:53] <robotgeek> Delvien: dpkg -L kicker-applets ?
[03:59] <ClayG> Is there a safe way of uninstalling files/packages in synaptic? It tells me the dependancies that will be uninstalled w/ it but not what else may rely on those dependancies. I went a little synaptic crazy and now I have alot of crap i dont need installed, any ideas are appreciated
[04:01] <CellarDoor> 85% !
[04:01] <Delvien> Anyone use Kthinkbatt ??
[04:01] <CellarDoor> woohoo !
[04:02] <cheenu> is it possible to connect to my system using my ip address
[04:02] <cheenu> i use a cable modem 
[04:02] <djk_> ClayG: it'll only uninstall dependencies that aren't needed.
[04:03] <ClayG> Really?
[04:03] <djk_> ClayG: you may give this a try in a terminal though ;)  [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ]  == 0 ]  && sudo rm -rf * || echo "You live"
[04:03] <ClayG> Sounds too good to be true!
[04:03] <ClayG> Ok doing that now
[04:03] <ClayG> Thanks for your help
[04:04] <djk_> ClayG: don't paste  that into the cli :p
[04:05] <djk_> uhm..
[04:09] <robotgeek> djk_: what does that do?
[04:09] <robotgeek> djk_: i hope not delete his home dir
[04:09] <djk_> it's russian roulete
[04:10] <robotgeek> cheenu: yes,it's possible
[04:10] <djk_> no, it delets everything
[04:10] <monkeygrl> hello im trying to install firefox. i just got installing kubuntu can anyone help me?
[04:10] <djk_> robotgeek: you have a one out of 6 chance that you'll be asked for your password with that line ^^
[04:11] <djk_> robotgeek: if you are asked and enter your password it'll execute sudo rm -rf * ;)
[04:11] <robotgeek> djk_: please don't type stuff like that in here. there are newbs to linux
[04:11] <robotgeek> djk_: now, why do i get the feeling that  ClayG has typed that in
[04:11] <monkeygrl> ill wait patiently
[04:12] <Judax> hehe
[04:12] <robotgeek> monkeygrl: you mean the new one? 1.5?
[04:12] <monkeygrl> i just downloaded firefox from mozilla.com
[04:12] <monkeygrl> but im not sure how to install it
[04:12] <djk_> robotgeek: well, it would fix his problem eh..
[04:12] <djk_> monkeygrl: is it a .deb?
[04:12] <robotgeek> monkeygrl: firefox is available in the repos
[04:12] <manveru> djk_, there is no deb on mozilla.org :)
[04:12] <djk_> robotgeek: the 1.5 version from yesterday?
[04:12] <robotgeek> djk_: please /j #ubuntu-offtopic
[04:13] <monkeygrl> i just got done installing kubuntu so im not sure what you're talking about
[04:13] <robotgeek> djk_: no
[04:13] <djk_> manveru: i don't use FF ;)
[04:13] <robotgeek> ubotu: telll monkeygrl about repos
[04:13] <manveru> djk_, you're one of these lynx-guys then? ^^
[04:13] <djk_> manveru: how the deuce did you know O_o
[04:14] <djk_> manveru: actually i use Opera ;) lynx only sometimes.
[04:14] <manveru> hehe, i use all sorts, but never came to opera
[04:15] <djk_> manveru: that's like using all sorts of porn but never a real woman :(
[04:15] <manveru> lynx, links. elinks, w3m, dillo, ff, konqueror, atlantis...
[04:15] <smonkey> hahaha.
[04:15] <robotgeek> djk_: since you aren't joining #ubuntu-offtopic, looks like i'll have to lecture you in here 
[04:15] <smonkey> sounds like we have an opera fanatic here.
[04:15] <spstarr_home> hrm is Kubuntu badly broken in Daooer?
[04:15] <spstarr_home> er Dapper?
[04:15] <monkeygrl> robotgeek:  i dont have an administration tab like in the howto
[04:15] <spstarr_home> seems to be :(
[04:16] <robotgeek> spstarr_home: probably broken
[04:16] <spstarr_home> i have to fall back to gnome til the dependencies are added in 
[04:16] <spstarr_home> :(
[04:16] <spstarr_home> I guess 3.5 isn't fully in Dapper yet (the main libs)
[04:16] <djk_> robotgeek: you could just query me if you feel the need to lecture me
[04:17] <seth_k|lappy> soooo much faster
[04:18] <manveru> well, the best feature are the not-popups
[04:18] <kkathman> My Opera install is actually faster than FF
[04:18] <manveru> smonkey, tls must be a joy with it ^^
[04:18] <kkathman> but web browsers are always a matter of use and personal tastes :)
[04:18] <seth_k|lappy> kkathman++
[04:18] <smonkey> It is a challenge.
[04:19] <manveru> like distros, DEs, editors, chat-clients...
[04:19] <kkathman> yah
[04:19] <smonkey> and toothpaste.
[04:19] <kkathman> I like that I can go to ONE place and do newsgroups, mail, browsing and RSS feeds
[04:19] <kkathman> I could use their chat too, but I like kvirc too much :)
[04:19] <manveru> you never had to write pages for ff and opera then :)
[04:20] <kkathman> manveru: yah I do
[04:20] <monkeygrl> robotgeek:  its asking for a root password. i dont remember setting a root password when i installed
[04:20] <smonkey> Firefox and Mozilla are too greedy for me. I run on cheap hardware.
[04:20] <manveru> ubotu, tell monkeygrl about sudo
[04:20] <Aaden> lmao
[04:20] <smonkey> Upuntil a few minutes ago I only had 256M of ram in here.
[04:20] <kkathman> I write to Opera standards and pretty much it runs on everything else
[04:20] <smonkey> monkeygrl: you probably didn't.
[04:21] <smonkey> what is ubotu?
[04:21] <manveru> kkathman, this is because opera was written to interpret all other ones
[04:21] <djk_> smonkey: a bot
[04:21] <smonkey> oh right.. uBOTu.
[04:21] <kkathman> manveru: well, originally Opera was only W3C compliant (and iE of course supporting Active X and all the other junk)
[04:22] <kkathman> but now Opera is better about things...even CSS support :)
[04:22] <manveru> not for JS though...
[04:22] <manveru> but it's easy to adapt
[04:22] <kkathman> but marketing wise, if your page will show in Mozilla and IE you have 99.997 percent of the desktops covered :)
[04:23] <kkathman> ya Opera still acts up on some JS stuff
[04:23] <djk_> google won't show in lynx iirc.. google sucks :p
[04:23] <Aaden> hey is superkaramba really in kde3.5?
[04:23] <manveru> in my opinion lynx is for masochists... like emacs *duck*
[04:23] <djk_> hehe
[04:23] <kkathman> manveru:  lol
[04:24] <smonkey> can any of you guys recomend a good cpu/memory benchmark tool?
[04:24] <manveru> smonkey, depends on which results you want...
[04:24] <monkeygrl> im reading that sudo is used on all configuration utilities
[04:24] <monkeygrl> so why doesnt my password work?
[04:24] <manveru> it doesn't?
[04:24] <kkathman> monkeygrl: did you install in "expert" mode?
[04:25] <kkathman> or migrate?
[04:25] <monkeygrl> no
[04:25] <monkeygrl> clean install
[04:25] <djk_> monkeygrl: mistyped?
[04:25] <monkeygrl> works when i log in
[04:25] <smonkey> monkeygrl: you probalby need to edit your sudoers file.
[04:25] <smonkey> monkeygrl: I had a similar problem.
[04:25] <kkathman> now on some KDE screens, early CD installs, the administrator functions were buggy if you are trying to do something IN KDE
[04:26] <monkeygrl> this is kubuntu
[04:26] <kkathman> smonkey: that should have only happened if she installed in expert mode tho
[04:26] <kkathman> monkeygrl: where are you encountering the sudo password issue?
[04:26] <manveru> kkathman, in that case she would have been asked for a password...
[04:26] <kkathman> or should I say..the password issue
[04:26] <monkeygrl> trying to run adept
[04:26] <kkathman> ahh ok
[04:26] <monkeygrl> adept is used for the repos
[04:27] <smonkey> kkathman: Oh. What happens if you don't install in expert mode?
[04:27] <kkathman> smonkey: it should prompt for the pswd and update the sudoers file properly
[04:27] <kkathman> !sudo
[04:27] <ubotu> somebody said sudo was the command to get superuser privileges, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/RootSudo
[04:28] <kkathman> check that link for info monkeygrl :)
[04:28] <kkathman> brb
[04:28] <smonkey> hahah! ubotu just asked me if I was smoking crack.
[04:28] <monkeygrl> thanks
[04:29] <manveru> that's just the same...
[04:29] <Knowerrors> Anybody know about ivman setup?
[04:29] <manveru> however, maybe we can move a bit closer to the problem
[04:30] <manveru> monkeygrl, try a 'sudo -i' in a console
[04:32] <kkathman> back
[04:33] <monkeygrl> its working now
[04:33] <monkeygrl> it was me not typing correctly
[04:33] <monkeygrl> typical n00b move
[04:36] <lovethepirk> could anyone help me get vlc player in kubuntu
[04:36] <manveru> !vlc
[04:36] <ubotu> methinks vlc is a video/audio player that supports almost everything - See http://www.videolan.org/ for more information (VLC is in the repos)
[04:36] <robotgeek> spstarr_home: you did know that this would happen :)
[04:36] <spstarr_home> I wasn't hoping it to break as bad as It did
[04:36] <spstarr_home> :(
[04:36] <spstarr_home> 'The packages are being uploaded to Dapper, many packages in Dapper are currently uninstallable due to a c++ transition.'
[04:36] <spstarr_home> i should've read first
[04:36] <spstarr_home> :)
[04:37] <Knowerrors> Anyone notice ivman doesn't seem to work right with KDE3.5?
[04:37] <manveru> Knowerrors, yeah, lots of people noticed that
[04:37] <lovethepirk> when i apt-get install vlc it cannot find it then I change my repositories and then I get erros
[04:38] <manveru> lovethepirk, wich repos and wich errors...?
[04:38] <lovethepirk> i have tried several
[04:38] <manveru> random ones??
[04:38] <lovethepirk> hold on a sec....
[04:38] <lovethepirk> let me find the ones I current;y have
[04:39] <Knowerrors> manveru: anyone talk of a fix?
[04:40] <manveru> Knowerrors, dunno - check google?
[04:40] <Knowerrors> duh, did that already
[04:42] <Knowerrors> trying to make kde 3.5 automount all removable media, should do it with ivman
[04:42] <manveru> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-80479.html
[04:42] <lovethepirk> deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main
[04:42] <lovethepirk>      deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main
[04:42] <lovethepirk> i run kubuntu so can you use these
[04:42] <manveru> uh, wrong one
[04:43] <manveru> not at you, at Knowerrors :)
[04:43] <lovethepirk> http://www.ubuntuguide.org/#extrarepositories
[04:43] <lovethepirk> i used this too but it didn't work
[04:43] <manveru> !repositories
[04:43] <ubotu> repositories is probably How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[04:44] <manveru> i have them, but i have not the videolan.org-repos
[04:45] <Knowerrors> thx manveru , unfortunately already read that
[04:45] <manveru> hmm, there was some better link for making your own sources.list
[04:45] <djk_> lovethepirk: http://ubuntulinux.nl/source-o-matic
[04:45] <manveru> exactly!
[04:45] <manveru> this should do the job
[04:46] <lovethepirk> maybe i am missing something here
[04:46] <djk_> manveru: use !sources instead of !repositories ;)
[04:46] <lovethepirk> i know how to change repos
[04:46] <lovethepirk> i cannot find any that allow me to get vlc is it a problem with kubuntu
[04:46] <manveru> just build your list with it
[04:47] <manveru> it doesn't hurt - trust a lucky user :)
[04:47] <djk_> lovethepirk: vlc is in one of the repos from the sourceomatic, not sure which one
[04:47] <lovethepirk> okay givving it a shot
[04:47] <lovethepirk> ty
[04:47] <djk_> lovethepirk: remember to apt-get update afterwards ;)
[04:48] <lovethepirk> yep
[04:48] <lovethepirk> :)
[04:48] <lovethepirk> does it matter that that link is ubuntu and I run kubuntu
[04:49] <djk_> lovethepirk: no
[04:49] <lovethepirk> should i click Pakcages and Sources
[04:49] <djk_> lovethepirk: it's the same distribution
[04:49] <djk_> lovethepirk: yes
[04:50] <djk_> lovethepirk: also select the proper architecture, enter a vaild 2letter-countrycode, and choose the proper release
[04:50] <lovethepirk> now should i just cp my current sources list to old and then use this for the new one?
[04:50] <djk_> s/vaild/valid
[04:51] <djk_> lovethepirk: if you want to you can do a .backup of your current sources.list, but considering that it's not a very good one using sarge repos..
[04:51] <lovethepirk> I would assume my code for the states is US
[04:51] <lovethepirk> ty for your help it is appreciated :)
[04:51] <djk_> lovethepirk: you may just erase its content and paste the one that you are currently generating
[04:51] <djk_> lovethepirk: yes. us would be correct 
[04:52] <lovethepirk> okay giving it a try
[04:55] <spstarr_home> gnome is .. so unfriendly to me
[04:55] <spstarr_home> s/tries/desparately
[04:56] <spstarr_home> s/tries/desparately tries/g
[04:56] <manveru> spstarr_home, what's the problem?
[04:56] <spstarr_home> kde 3.5 is broken in dapper :) and its still patch work for now
[04:57] <lovethepirk> got it :)
[04:57] <lovethepirk> ty djk_ 
[04:57] <djk_> you're welcome
[04:57] <lovethepirk> and manveru 
[04:57] <manveru> spstarr_home, well - you know - it's at your own risk ^^
[04:57] <spstarr_home> yup
[04:57] <manveru> spstarr_home, but when you're at it anyway - try e17
[04:58] <manveru> np lovethepirk :)
[04:58] <lovethepirk> i am sure I will have more trouble but  i am excited now
[04:58] <Sonny_Wertzik> hello all
[04:58] <spstarr_home> kdelibs-bin depends on kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.3-1); however:
[04:58] <spstarr_home>  <-
[04:58] <spstarr_home> its the problem that 3.4.3 != 3.5
[04:58] <kkathman> AHA!! The brains have arrived!! Hobbsee is here!
[04:59] <Hobbsee> hey kkathman LOL
[04:59] <spstarr_home> i dont know how long the merge of 3.5 to dapper will take
[04:59] <spstarr_home> perhaps I can drop back to RC2 again safely :)
[04:59] <manveru> spstarr_home, i wonder what is the main-problem there... i have installed 3.5 without problems on breezy
[04:59] <Sonny_Wertzik> does anyone know what SIGABRT signal 6 means?
[04:59] <spstarr_home> breezy != dapper ;)
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Sonny_Wertzik: try google
[05:00] <manveru> hmm, odd
[05:00] <Knowerrors>  Anyone know how to automount all removable media in kde?
[05:00] <manveru> there are two of them, SIGABRT and SIGIOT...
[05:00] <Hobbsee> Knowerrors: it doesnt by default?
[05:00] <Sonny_Wertzik> Hobbsee, hey there! i did but im coming up empty wading thru tons of useless info
[05:01] <manveru> both signal 6 :)
[05:01] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[05:01] <Sonny_Wertzik> anybody know?
[05:01] <Knowerrors> Hobbsee: it did, using ivman, but now with kde 3.5 it doesn't, ivman no longer seems to have any effect
[05:01] <manveru> Sonny_Wertzik, maybe you could hep us with more info
[05:01] <manveru> Sonny_Wertzik, where this happens, when - what you do while it happens - and what you need it for
[05:02] <Sonny_Wertzik> manveru, ok.... when i use the mac os style menu bar at the top...when i shutdown the session it gives me the error
[05:02] <manveru> Sonny_Wertzik, wich one - kxdocker?
[05:03] <spstarr_home> Depends: konsole (>= 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1) but it is not going to be installed
[05:03] <Sneaky_Bastard> somebody needs to make a Prolog or LISP based expert system channel bot, that walks a person through trouble-shooting
[05:03] <spstarr_home>  konsole: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.3-1) but it is not going to be installed
[05:03] <spstarr_home>  <-
[05:03] <spstarr_home> this is impossible 
[05:03] <Sonny_Wertzik> manveru, no the built in mac os style bar under kcontrol>behavior
[05:03] <spstarr_home> hence dapper people cannot use KDE 3.5 final yet
[05:04] <Hobbsee> spstarr_home: use force install, or install both at the same time
[05:04] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i'd meant to boot there todya, didnt i?
[05:04] <manveru> Sonny_Wertzik, oh, the one that should have the file-menu and stuff?
[05:04] <Delvien> anyone here use KXdocker?
[05:04] <spstarr_home> Hobbsee, force install can work or I need to manually do that
[05:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> manveru, ya thats the one
[05:04] <Hobbsee> or dist upgrade, if it will let you
[05:04] <manveru> Sonny_Wertzik, well - i cannot help you on that, but i guess it's quite experimental since i never got it running here
[05:04] <manveru> Delvien, used it - what do you need?
[05:04] <fvs> hi room
[05:04] <Sonny_Wertzik> man ahhh ok thx anyway
[05:05] <Hobbsee> hi fvs
[05:05] <Hobbsee> spstarr_home: file a bug for it?
[05:05] <fvs> hi Hobbsee
[05:05] <fvs> :)
[05:05] <manveru> but, where does it throw this message Sonny_Wertzik ?
[05:05] <Sonny_Wertzik> Delvien, i use kxdocker
[05:05] <Sonny_Wertzik> manveru, when i logout
[05:05] <spstarr_home> Hobbsee: im gonna wait til 3.5 is in dapper a few days, and *sigh* suffer in gnome
[05:05] <manveru> Sonny_Wertzik, and how? popup-window, console, logs?
[05:06] <Hobbsee> spstarr_home: definetly suffer!
[05:06] <Sonny_Wertzik> manveru, pop up
[05:06] <spstarr_home> uh huh
[05:06] <manveru> ok, that's nasty then...
[05:06] <Sonny_Wertzik> manveru, hehehehe
[05:06] <Delvien> i need to know if there is a way to get rid of the "Currently running apps" part in KXdocker
[05:06] <Sonny_Wertzik> manveru, ya...i may have broken it with baghira
[05:07] <manveru> Sonny_Wertzik, sry, have to do some work now... cu later
[05:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> manveru,  l8s
[05:07] <Sonny_Wertzik> manveru, thx
[05:08] <Sonny_Wertzik> Delvien, are u there?
[05:08] <Delvien> sonny_Wertzik is there a way to get rid of the part of KXdocker where it pops up with the apps that are running
[05:09] <Sonny_Wertzik> Delvien, i never tried it but under icons tab there is enable thumbnails check box at the bottom....u may have to shut down docker and restart it
[05:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> Delvien, for it to take affect
[05:10] <Delvien> sonny_Wertzik that didnt do it
[05:10] <Sonny_Wertzik> Delvien, did u shut down kxdocker and then restart it?
[05:10] <Delvien> yes
[05:11] <Sonny_Wertzik> hmm....1 sec ill look at my configuator
[05:12] <Sonny_Wertzik> Delvien, u know u have to hit save after u disable thumbnails right?
[05:13] <Delvien> yes
[05:13] <Sonny_Wertzik> i dont know then...sorry
[05:14] <lovethepirk> djk_: how would you have suggested removing all my lines in sources.list, b/c i had to hold the del button down for 2 minutes with pico
[05:14] <lovethepirk> then i could copy and paste
[05:17] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: open in kate/kwrite?
[05:17] <lovethepirk> Hobbsee: then i cannot write to the file
[05:18] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: kdesu kwrite
[05:19] <lovethepirk> thanks :)
[05:19] <Hobbsee> no problems
[05:24] <djk_> lovethepirk: wasn't here, was finishing a paper for uni, but yes, like Hobbsee suggested.
[05:24] <lovethepirk> thanks
[05:24] <lovethepirk> i got an issue getting firestarter now :(
[05:25] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: what issue?
[05:25] <lovethepirk> ome packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[05:25] <lovethepirk> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[05:25] <lovethepirk> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[05:25] <lovethepirk> or been moved out of Incoming.
[05:26] <lovethepirk> ibbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.5.4)
[05:26] <lovethepirk> libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.8.0)
[05:27] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install ibbonoboui2-0 libgnomeui-0 firestarter
[05:28] <lovethepirk> ouldn't find package libbonoboui
[05:29] <lovethepirk> not sure why but apt get and i do not get along
[05:29] <Hobbsee> should be there
[05:29] <Hobbsee> !info libbonoboui
[05:30] <Hobbsee> hmmm...it exists on my system
[05:30] <lovethepirk> apt-cache search should find it right
[05:30] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:30] <Hobbsee> apt-cache search libbonoboui
[05:30] <spstarr_home> aptitude search libbonoboui too :)
[05:31] <lovethepirk> is guard dog gui
[05:31] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:31] <lovethepirk> ?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> !info guarddog
[05:31] <ubotu> guarddog: (firewall configuration utility for KDE), section universe/net, is optional. Version: 2.4.0-1build1 (breezy), Packaged size: 344 kB, Installed size: 1264 kB
[05:32] <Hobbsee> it's a little more complext than firestarter
[05:32] <lovethepirk> libbonoboui2-0 - The Bonobo UI library
[05:32] <lovethepirk> libbonoboui2-dev - The Bonobo UI library - development files
[05:32] <lovethepirk> libgail-gnome-dbg - libgail-gnome library and debugging symbols
[05:32] <lovethepirk> libgail-gnome-dev - Development files of libgail-gnome
[05:32] <lovethepirk> libgail-gnome-module - GNOME Accessibility Implementation Module for GnomeUI/BonoboUI
[05:32] <lovethepirk> libbonobouimm1.3-7c2 - C++ wrappers for libbonoboui2 (shared library) (Developer Version)
[05:32] <lovethepirk> libbonobouimm1.3-dev - C++ wrappers for libbonoboui2 (development files) (Developer Version)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> yeah, it's the top one
[05:32] <lovethepirk> libbonoboui2-common - The Bonobo UI library -- common files
[05:32] <lovethepirk> which should i get
[05:32] <Hobbsee> sudo apt-get install libbonoboui2-0
[05:32] <djk_> Hobbsee: rather amusing, considering that guarddogs goal is "easy to use goal oriented gui"
[05:33] <Hobbsee> djk_: yeah, you'd think so...
[05:33] <Hobbsee> i dont find it too bad, once i figure out which bits i do and dotn want - which is easy enough for me, but for someone who doesnt mess around much with connections, then i'ts a bit hard
[05:33] <lovethepirk> i am pretty good at picking things up but i am linux newbie should i still try guarddog
[05:34] <Hobbsee> djk_: i've learned how to export the settings :P 
[05:34] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: what services are you wanting to run?  samba?
[05:35] <djk_> cli-iptables pwnz guarddog/firestarter :)
[05:35] <lovethepirk> this is ridiculuos
[05:35] <lovethepirk> libbono needs this dependency and this one needs that one and so on
[05:36] <lovethepirk> Hobbsee: I do not know what samba is i just want to get my ssytem up and secure then start tutorialing like a mad man
[05:37] <Hobbsee> djk_: want to explain lovethepirk through it?  i've never tried it
[05:37] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: do you connect to any windows machines, through a network?
[05:37] <lovethepirk> no
[05:37] <lovethepirk> i got a dual boot laptop
[05:37] <lovethepirk> with windows but 
[05:37] <lovethepirk> I want to learn linuxc
[05:37] <djk_> Hobbsee: heh, nah, he better buys an iptables book like o'reillys if he wants to learn iptables.
[05:38] <lovethepirk> i will learn all that later
[05:38] <lovethepirk> i am sure
[05:38] <djk_> lovethepirk: there's no real _need_ for a firewall on a standard ubuntu setup since there aren't any open ports IIRC
[05:38] <KubNub> hey, has anyone been able to set up VNC server on Kubuntu?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: http://www.simonzone.com/software/guarddog/manual2/ is a good link for setting up guarddog
[05:39] <Hobbsee> true, there arent any open ports on a standard install
[05:39] <djk_> this isn't windows, you really can be online for more than 60 seconds without having your installation ruined ;)
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:39] <Hobbsee> which is why my win partitoin isnt connected to the net
[05:39] <djk_> neither is mine hehe
[05:39] <lovethepirk> confused
[05:40] <lovethepirk> what do you mean you can ruin linux ion 60 sec
[05:41] <KubNub> anyone got vnc4server working on kubuntu?
[05:41] <djk_> lovethepirk: you also don't _need_ an antivirus program in linux. there are only about 80 virii for linux,generated in labs, none in the wild.
[05:41] <lovethepirk> okay
[05:42] <lovethepirk> i am a moderator on windows virus/malware forums
[05:42] <Hobbsee> djk_: i think you mean a firewall in there too
[05:42] <KubNub> ha, that's because all of the virus writers love linux and are just taking swipes at msft
[05:42] <lovethepirk> i deal with that sh it all the time
[05:42] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:42] <djk_> lovethepirk: well, usually it takes about 60seconds or less for a windows computer to contract a virus if it runs without antivirus(and even with)
[05:42] <djk_> lovethepirk: and this doesn't happen with linux ;)
[05:42] <lovethepirk> djk_: i thought you meant i could ruin my ubuntu in 60 sec hehe
[05:43] <lovethepirk> i also infect myself on windows to study infections
[05:43] <djk_> lovethepirk: well, i used to play with unprotected win95... 
[05:44] <djk_> kinda like unsafe sex with a hooker..
[05:44] <lovethepirk> so in general if i got an ap that will not instal b/c of unmet dependencies i need tpo apt0get those dependencies right?
[05:45] <manveru> you install with apt-get... this cares for all dependencies
[05:45] <djk_> yes.
[05:45] <djk_> manveru: it should, but apparently it doesnt for him?
[05:46] <manveru> hmm
[05:46] <manveru> ok, didn't read that
[05:47] <lovethepirk> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[05:47] <lovethepirk>   libbonoboui2-0: Depends: libbonoboui2-common (= 2.10.1-0ubuntu2) but 2.10.1-1 is to be installed
[05:47] <lovethepirk> this is where i am stuck
[05:48] <manveru> lovethepirk, somewhere are normal debian-packages in there
[05:48] <manveru> check your sources.list
[05:48] <lovethepirk> should i apt-get remove it
[05:48] <lovethepirk> then reinstall it
[05:49] <lovethepirk> sources likst is the newest and greatest from the ubuntu auto generate
[05:50] <lovethepirk> got it by uninstalling and reinistalling :)
[05:51] <Hobbsee> !info kdirstat
[05:51] <ubotu> kdirstat: (graphical disk usage display with cleanup facilities), section universe/misc, is optional. Version: 2.4.4-1ubuntu1 (breezy), Packaged size: 266 kB, Installed size: 860 kB
[05:51] <Hobbsee> hmmm..interest
[05:51] <Hobbsee> ign
[05:52] <lovethepirk> Hobbsee: is that for me
[05:52] <Hobbsee> no, was just something that was mentioned in #ubuntu
[05:52] <Hobbsee> and i didnt really want to use a bot command in there to find out what it was
[05:53] <lovethepirk> Hobbsee: i am going to take you up on the guarddog but I had to get firestarter b/c of the challenge
[05:53] <manveru> that's the thing konqueror uses for the kdirstat-view
[05:53] <lovethepirk> i got it bt it is not showing up anywhere in the gui
[05:53] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: go for it, and it's sudo firestarter to start it
[05:53] <lovethepirk> will there be a program icon in the gui anywhere?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> firestarter's nice, i just could never make it work properly, the way i needed it to
[05:54] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: no, not unless you tell it you wan tone
[05:54] <lovethepirk> okay then when i do(haven't done that before) will it use a gif or jpg that came with the program
[05:54] <lovethepirk> so it is easily identifieable
[05:55] <lovethepirk> for instance kaffien has that gold disk
[05:55] <djk_> "gold" disk?
[05:56] <djk_> eh.. are you colour blind or is it me?
[05:56] <AnEasyKill> .
[05:56] <lovethepirk> is it breown
[05:56] <AnEasyKill> exit
[05:56] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: yeah, it will be, but it automatically starts every boot anyway, so you hardly need to be able to see the icon
[05:56] <lovethepirk> okay
[05:57] <lovethepirk> well i want to thank you all for the help i am going to surf and learn some more
[05:57] <Hobbsee> no problems :)
[05:57] <djk_> sure
[05:57] <lovethepirk> linux is not for the weak or weary
[05:57] <lovethepirk> i find myself thinking about it during the day hehe
[05:58] <lovethepirk> wondering how to get something to work...and i am just a newbie....not good
[05:58] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: you'll learn
[05:58] <lovethepirk> r u all in here from time to time
[05:58] <Hobbsee> lovethepirk: you got firestarter to install? you should be able to run it fairly easily
[05:58] <Hobbsee> yeah
[05:59] <lovethepirk> i will see you in the future....over and out.
[06:01] <djk_> when was or will be 7pm central?
[06:01] <Hobbsee> djk_: is NY in central?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> or LA?
[06:02] <djk_> Hobbsee: neiter?
[06:02] <djk_> neither*
[06:02] <Hobbsee> djk_: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/
[06:02] <Hobbsee> try that then
[06:04] <djk_> don't live there either, but NY should be EST and LA PST iirc.. i'm just wondering when a certain torrent will be up  :)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> djk_: Chicago	Wed 11:05 PM <-- current time
[06:06] <Hobbsee> according to that site
[06:06] <djk_> thanks.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> no problems
[06:07] <djk_> where are you from Hobbsee 
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Australia
[06:08] <djk_> ah, a mate it is ;)
[06:09] <Hobbsee> yep
[06:25] <rcmn> hello ,does anyone know if there is somewhere a pkg ,even better a repository with Firefox 1.5 stable.I found a post on the forum but i don't feel like building it from .tgz...
[06:35] <rcmn> hello ,does anyone know if there is somewhere a pkg ,even better a repository with Firefox 1.5 stable.I found a post on the forum but i don't feel like building it from .tgz...
[06:37] <crimsun> please just wait until it's backported properly from Dapper.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> !firefox1.5
[06:38] <ubotu> rumour has it, firefox1.5 is see the wiki at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion for information on how to install Firefox 1.5 from mozilla.org
[06:38] <Hobbsee> if you really want it
[06:39] <mushroom> hey~I am using 1.0.7
[06:42] <rcmn> yeah i'd read that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion i don't feel like doing it so i will just wait like everyone else 
[06:42] <rcmn> thx
[06:46] <djk_> too lazy to copy/paste? ;)
[06:46] <crimsun> =win 21
[06:46] <crimsun> err, sorry.
[06:55] <generallee5686> i got a question, should ~/.kde/share/config/kcontrolrc be owned by root or the current user
[06:56] <Hobbsee> er, let me go look...
[06:56] <generallee5686> thanks
[06:57] <Hobbsee> generallee5686: mine seems to be owned by the current user
[06:57] <generallee5686> cool, thanks a bunch
[06:57] <Hobbsee> no problems
[06:57] <generallee5686> kept giving me an error that it wasnt writeable
[06:57] <generallee5686> i checked owner and it was root for some reason
[06:58] <Hobbsee> ah great - chown it
[06:58] <generallee5686> one more question (this is really noobish) whats the 2nd name mean when u do ls-l
[06:58] <generallee5686> ls -l*
[07:01] <generallee5686> group
[07:01] <generallee5686> im an idiot
[07:02] <Hobbsee> lol nah - we all learn
[07:02] <generallee5686> yea its wierd, i swear i knew that, just lost it for a sec
[07:12] <mister_roboto> is anyone here a kpilot user or know where i should ask questions about kpilot?
[07:12] <s0|> can someone help I am having problems configureing my wireless with kubuntu, when I say make for the ndiswrapper it says it can't find the kernel sources .... 
[07:13] <Hobbsee> mister_roboto: here, or #kde
[07:13] <mister_roboto> nobody answering in #kde :)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[07:14] <Hobbsee> most people must be idle
[07:14] <mister_roboto> my question is: I have a bunch of address entries in Kontact that I once had in my Palm but a reset on the Palm lost the entries. Now when I hotsync, the entries in Kontact that are not on the Palm are not being transferred over and I don't know how to make it happen
[07:14] <Hobbsee> s0|: ask in #kubuntu
[07:14] <Hobbsee> s0|: ask in #ubuntu
[07:15] <s0|> Hobbsee where am I?
[07:15] <Hobbsee> kubuntu, lol, sorry
[07:15] <Hobbsee> iv'e seen them answer that in there
[07:15] <mister_roboto> s0| you need to download the source code package
[07:16] <s0|> we did that with apt
[07:16] <s0|> we downloaded (with apt) ndiswrapper-utils
[07:16] <mister_roboto> you sure you have the source matching your kernel?
[07:16] <mister_roboto> i'm talking about for the kernel
[07:17] <s0|> it's the generic source
[07:17] <s0|> there was only 1 listed (as a generic)
[07:17] <mister_roboto> wtf does that mean?
[07:17] <mister_roboto> there is source specific to each kernel build
[07:18] <s0|> hold on
[07:19] <mister_roboto> s0| you need  linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:20] <s0|> 2.6.12-9-amd64-generic
[07:21] <mister_roboto> you on hoary?
[07:21] <djk_> 2.6.12-9 is breezy
[07:21] <s0|> breze badger
[07:21] <mister_roboto> they are up to 2.6.12-10
[07:21] <s0|> err what he said
[07:22] <djk_> mister_roboto: so? you don't need to update.
[07:22] <mister_roboto> ok, never mind    but you got those headers?
[07:22] <generallee5686> question, got a 19" LCD monitor (Hyundai L90D+) and i remember getting 75Hz refresh rate in Windows at 1280x1024, but now i can only get 60Hz (read some posts in the forums but they all were crt related)
[07:22] <mister_roboto> true  djk_
[07:22] <Hobbsee> i think that's !xcfg to change it...not sure...
[07:23] <generallee5686> nope said event not found
[07:23] <djk_> just curious, anyone tried C&C95 in wine?
[07:23] <mister_roboto> s0|   if you have all the source, you might need to specify an argument to "configure" like --kernel-source and pass it a dir to the right location. just guessing because i never build ndiswrapper
[07:24] <s0|> it guesses the location but it can't find the kernel soruces, I can speficify a path but I don't know where to specifiy it to...
[07:25] <mister_roboto> s0|   did you try "configure --help" to see how you might pass that?  
[07:25] <mister_roboto> s0|   or the README?    ;)
[07:25] <s0|> it's make KSRC=<path)
[07:25] <mister_roboto> there you go
[07:25] <s0|> the problem is I don't know where to set the path becuase the only place I can think of is where it already looks 
[07:27] <mister_roboto> s0|   <shrug>   sorry 
[07:29] <s0|> so where are the kernel soruces if not in /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-amd64-generic/bulid/   (that is the path that the wiki help told me to use) that is also where it looks becuase of the symbolic link is (just like it told us to do ) 
[07:30] <mister_roboto> s0| that's just kernel module stuff, not the kernel source itself       that's usually in /usr/src
[07:30] <s0|> one sec
[07:30] <mister_roboto> oh sorry
[07:30] <mister_roboto> i just looked
[07:31] <mister_roboto> "build" is a symlink to the /usr/src/*headers
[07:31] <mister_roboto> on my machine anyway... assuming yours is the same, well... should work
[07:32] <s0|> it is still giving me the same error about not being able to find the kernel sources
[07:33] <crimsun> s0|: what are you trying to do?
[07:33] <mister_roboto> is  /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-amd64-generic/bulid/  a valid link to a real place?
[07:33] <crimsun> s0|: it's fairly rare that you actually need _sources_ instead of _headers_
[07:34] <s0|> wiki never said anything about headers I have been following that
[07:34] <mister_roboto> right.... he's trying to pass the headers to build ndiswrapper
[07:34] <crimsun> err, he can just install ndiswrapper-utils
[07:34] <s0|> the only thing in my usr/src/ dir is the RPM dir
[07:35] <mister_roboto> s0|  well that explains your problem
[07:35] <s0|> crimsun been there tried that
[07:35] <crimsun> s0|: are you running Breezy?
[07:35] <s0|> yes
[07:35] <s0|> he is running breezy
[07:35] <crimsun> s0|: and what does ndiswrapper return when you load it with the .inf?
[07:36] <woddf2> Haldo
[07:36] <s0|> it says that it works and has the right drivers, when you say mod probe ndswrapper it retunrs fatal error module not found
[07:36] <woddf2> Is it possible to use mplayer as an amaroK engine?
[07:37] <crimsun> s0|: modinfo -n ndiswrapper
[07:38] <s0|> could not find module ndiswrapper
[07:38] <Drakeson> woddf2: I may be wrong but I think you need to recompile amarok from source
[07:38] <crimsun> s0|: uname -r
[07:40] <s0|> i know the kernal
[07:40] <crimsun> s0|: you're not using a Ubuntu-provided one, are you?
[07:40] <s0|> same error with that one
[07:41] <s0|> i read a help form that told me the 1.1 version had errors 
[07:41] <Drakeson> has anybody got any success connecting to an mms:// stream with mplayer through UDP?
[07:41] <s0|> so i downloaded 1.6 surce
[07:41] <s0|> source*
[07:43] <crimsun> s0|: you need linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[07:44] <s0|> how do i use it ive tried linux-headers-2.6.12-9-amd64-generic
[07:44] <s0|> doesn't work
[07:45] <crimsun> s0|: give me a sec
[07:45] <s0|> k
[07:45] <s0|> thanks
[07:48] <crimsun> ok
[07:48] <crimsun> make sure you have 'linux-headers-$(uname -r)', 'build-essential', and 'gcc-3.4' installed
[07:49] <crimsun> next untar (fresh) ndiswrapper-1.6.tar.gz
[07:49] <crimsun> then, export CC=gcc-3.4
[07:49] <s0|> how do i check for those?
[07:49] <crimsun> then, cd ndiswrapper-1.6
[07:50] <crimsun> s0|: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential gcc-3.4
[07:50] <crimsun> (copy and paste that)
[07:51] <s0|> k hold on please
[07:52] <crimsun> (don't paste the output, just the command into the Konsole)
[08:08] <mtupper> anyone here have a HP Pavilion dv1000 series???  or anyone have any ideas as to how I might get my QuickPlay and Media Controls buttons to work?  I am all googled out...
[08:14] <nalioth> mtupper: install the quickplay software under windows
[08:14] <nalioth> mtupper: you'll need a 300mb partition
[08:15] <s0|> crimsum thanks so much 
[08:15] <mtupper> ok, so when you say under windows, you mean boot into windows and install this...?
[08:15] <s0|> the apt-get did the trick
[08:15] <mtupper> sorry you lost me a little...
[08:16] <Delvien> How do i select a different media player for firefox, because totem doesnt work with it for some reason
[08:16] <s0|> now i just have to configure wlan0 interface
[08:17] <Hobbsee> Delvien: i think you can use mplayer
[08:17] <Delvien> hobbsee how though
[08:17] <Hobbsee> anything in !faq?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> it was in the old starter guide, i think
[08:18] <mtupper> nalioth: sorry you lost me there. could you please elaborate... you mean I need to make a new windows partition of 300 Mb and then install the Quickplay Software there???
[08:19] <nalioth> mtupper: do you dual boot?
[08:20] <mtupper> nalioth: yes, I have the original XP Pro partition (C:\) and an additional NTFS (D:\)
[08:21] <Delvien> Hobbsee did exactly what it said , still cant play it
[08:21] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[08:22] <nalioth> mtupper: you'll need to use a LiveCD or PartitionMagic to get yourself 300mb of free space, rumor has it the quickplay stuff is some form of linux (the installer will see the 300mb of space)
[08:26] <musik> my bro reinstalled win98, then i reinstalled grub, now i can boot into linux fine, but when i select windows it says loading stage2..then comes back to grub menu...plz help me!!
[08:27] <mtupper> nalioth, I also understood that the quickplay ran in a separate linux partition and so I wonder, shouldn't it already be on my machine?  also, an important note, I installed Ubuntu/GNOME and the controls worked, though the Mute LED wasn't working.  Then after installing the KDE desktop-metapackage, thats when they went south...
[08:29] <Hobbsee> musik: post your sudo fdisk -l to pastebin, also your /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> or just get your question answered in ubuntu, seeing as you've asked it there too
[08:33] <nalioth> mtupper: from the instructions i got with my dv1000, it should be there already. idk, cuz i dont play dvd/music when the machine is off
[08:34] <mtupper> nalioth, well i dont either....   yet.  but since I just found that out, I may give it a try, it might be useful.
[08:36] <mtupper> malioth, I was reading somewhere in a gentoo wiki or something about using xbindkeys...   could that apply here?
[08:36] <mtupper> nalioth, I was reading somewhere in a gentoo wiki or something about using xbindkeys... could that apply here?
[08:48] <nalioth> mtupper: your linux needs to be running for xbindkeys to work
[09:10] <mornfall> *yawn*
[09:34] <artox> hey all!
[09:34] <artox> how can i install .deb files?
[09:37] <crimsun> sudo dpkg -i foo.deb
[09:45] <artox> crimsun: thx!!
[09:45] <raphink> artox: I'd say : why do you want to install .deb ?
[09:52] <chx> hi. I have two ISPs. What should I RTFM?
[09:52] <crimsun> your question is unclear
[09:53] <Kaiser_Away> chx: how to ask a question :)
[09:54] <Kaiser_Away> hi robotgeek :)
[09:55] <robotgeek> Kaiser_Away: hi
[09:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[09:57] <chx> Kamping_Kaiser: OK. I have two ISPs, I would like to do target and/or port based routing. What should I RTFM?
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> iptables
[09:57] <chx> nothing like ip route ...?
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure what else :|
[09:57] <chx> is there a tutorial, howto, boo?
[09:57] <chx> :)
[09:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[10:03] <Emess> hi, iv chosen Kubuntu to run my server but when the login screenc oems up, the keyboard stops responding and i cant type username/password, any ideas? tried teh forums/faqs/documentation but couldnt find anything
[10:04] <gath> Hello
[10:05] <gath> i need some help for installing the mplayer
[10:05] <CarstenP> hi, i want to write some php scripts. is php5-cli the correct package for such a thing?
[10:19] <oracel> hah
[10:19] <oracel> my hosting company is charging me for 1GB of bandwidth usage
[10:19] <oracel> because I went 0.01GB over the limit
[10:20] <oracel> extra, that is
[10:20] <oracel> how silly
[10:21] <CarstenP> oracel: that is their way to make money. i dont like it either
[10:21] <oracel> I gladly paid when I used over 2GB of bandwidth extra, but this is just stupid
[10:38] <Ialomita> hi all
[10:40] <claudiu> i have a problem running quake4 and doom3. i wonder if this the right place to ask
[10:53] <elwood> hi all
[10:53] <elwood> i have read about kde 3.5...how to install it? apt-get upgrade didn't give me new output
[10:54] <Rogue_Jedi_X> *yawn* Hey.
[10:59] <ArtVandalae> Hi guys, I can't see all of some of the options when I go to Control Center -> Sharing -> Filesharing. I'm running the resolution at 640x480, is there any way around this without changing resolutions?
[10:59] <claudiu> which are the mandatory dependecies for quake4 to install ?
[11:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> ArtVandalae: Same problem here. Try running kcontrol instead.
[11:00] <ArtVandalae> Thanks
[11:00] <Hobbsee> ArtVandalae: or if you insist on using system settings, use the alt key and move the window
[11:00] <Hobbsee> but it's very stupid, i know
[11:02] <elwood> sorry...
[11:02] <Hobbsee> elwood: you come into a channel, then you apologise?  ok then lol!
[11:03] <Hobbsee> :P
[11:03] <elwood> i was here and i fall down
[11:04] <Hobbsee> ah ok
[11:04] <Rogue_Jedi_X> That's good. We need more politeness on IRC :P
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hehe true
[11:05] <Hobbsee> hey Rogue_Jedi_X 
[11:06] <larsris> A little elp greatly appreciated: How do I login on a wireless network (from Kubuntu 5.10) when I have to type account-name and password?
[11:06] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hey. 'sup?
[11:06] <Hobbsee> Rogue_Jedi_X: wondering how to get sound with flashplayer in firefox...
[11:06] <larsris> -- that should have benn "Help" !!
[11:06] <Hobbsee> apart from that, just sitting here lurking, more or less
[11:07] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hobbsee: Sometimes flash does that to me in konqueror too. Killing every sound-related app like amaroK or XMMS and then restarting Konqueror usually helped for me
[11:08] <Emess> is there a solution to the keyboard lockup problem at login? i've found nothing on the forums and it happening everytime i boot
[11:08] <Hobbsee> ah ok...
[11:09] <larsris> Hobbsee: I did find a flashpalyer sound-trick on the wiki, somewhere ... and it solved the problem too me
[11:09] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Err, brb in 5
[11:09] <Hobbsee> larsris: thanks, i'll go search for it
[11:14] <larsris> Sound on flash and firefox: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary
[11:20] <hunika> raphink: i am back :D sorry for yesterday
[11:20] <puckman> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[11:20] <puckman> kde 3.5 is NICE ^_^
[11:25] <hunika> Hey people I have heard that KDE 3.5 is released! What is the difference between KDE 3.4.3 and 3.5?????? Any new visual styles?
[11:26] <Tm_T> just mostly small improvenments everywhere
[11:27] <freeflying_> hunika:  you may have a try 
[11:28] <mephisto_> ^_^
[11:28] <hunika> freeflying_: but if you have installed than you should give to me your personal opinion
[11:29] <freeflying_> hunika: I installed it in dapper , and I'm not using breezy ,so I can not you any ?  :)
[11:34] <hunika> freeflying_: i see
[11:35] <freeflying_> hunika: read the changelog 
[11:38] <larsris> Perhaps I am lucky now: How do I login on a wireless network (from Kubuntu 5.10) when I have to type account-name and password?
[11:39] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I be back
[11:42] <hunika> puckman: Hello what is your opinion about KDE 3.5! Any new sthings in it. As I have seen you installed it
[11:42] <raphink> 3.5 is nice
[11:43] <hunika> raphink: What's new in KDE 3.5
[11:43] <raphink> hunika: how is your printer?
[11:43] <puckman> its nice
[11:43] <puckman> very subtle changes
[11:43] <puckman> just talking look right now
[11:44] <raphink> puckman: taht's not new. KDE is always nice :)
[11:44] <puckman> not played with all apps yet
[11:44] <puckman> true
[11:44] <puckman> KDE rocks
[11:44] <hunika> raphink: :D I can not install the canon and neither the HP. The hp works but just a white sheet comes out from the printer, and my ink tanks are full
[11:44] <puckman> I'm planning a kongi tattoo with the KDE logo
[11:44] <raphink> hunika: http://www.kde.org/announcements/visualguide-3.5.php
[11:44] <raphink> hunika: that's weird
[11:45] <hunika> raphink: I need a strong pc for KDE 3.5? Mine is 1300 MHZ DURON 256 ram
[11:45] <Rogue_Jedi_X> hunika: That's more than enough
[11:45] <raphink> how is kde 3.4 on your comp hunika ?
[11:45] <raphink> is it fast enough?
[11:45] <hunika> raphink: How do you mean how is?
[11:46] <raphink> fast enough?
[11:46] <hunika> raphink: yes it is fast, faster than xp
[11:46] <raphink> then 3.5 won't be much slower
[11:47] <hunika> raphink: what are the system requirements for kde 3.5?
[11:47] <raphink> dont' worry that'll be fine for you comp hunika ;)
[11:48] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Can someone tell me why exactly Kubuntu keeps checking my battery state (this is not a laptop) when I use the new kernel?
[11:48] <hunika> raphink: how should I download oe upgrade kde 3.4?
[11:49] <puckman> you just add a line to the repository and press upgrade
[11:49] <puckman> xp?
[11:49] <puckman> you mean windows? There is no way in hell that you can compare the elegance and speed of KDE to something as bloated as xp
[11:50] <musik> i get grub error 18 when i boot windows! plz help!
[11:50] <puckman> I even prefer KDE over OSX now and that is a lot coming from a guy with a Apple tattoo
[11:50] <hunika> raphink: how should I download kde 3.5
[11:51] <raphink> hunika: do you know how to use adept?
[11:51] <hunika> raphink: I know, what to do there? I should upgrade all the upgradable files?
[11:52] <raphink> hunika: go to Adept -> Manage repositories
[11:52] <raphink> then add : deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[11:53] <hunika> raphink: after that?
[11:54] <raphink> after that, close the manage repositories windows
[11:54] <raphink> and click Fetch updates
[11:55] <hunika> raphink: nothing special happened. Adept has downloaded something but I can not see a change
[11:55] <raphink> ok 
[11:55] <raphink> now upgrade your system
[11:56] <hunika> raphink: by clicking to full upgrade?
[11:56] <raphink> yep
[11:57] <hunika> raphink: that is not working
[11:57] <raphink> what do you get?
[11:57] <hunika> raphink: I should click on commit changes?
[11:57] <raphink> yes
[11:58] <hunika> raphink: it is working? It is being downloaded something
[11:58] <hunika> raphink: perhaps the new kde jupiii
[11:58] <raphink> ok :)
[11:58] <raphink> should be quite long
[11:59] <hunika> raphink: how long is the file, or the updates? I mean how much space it need
[11:59] <hunika> s
[11:59] <raphink> don't know
[11:59] <raphink> depends how much you have installed ;)
[11:59] <raphink> if you have lots of KDE apps installed, then it's long
[12:00] <raphink> if you have few, then it's shorter ;)
[12:00] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So, if you're using Ubuntu, it's faster :P
[12:00] <hunika> raphink: I have just 1.5 gb free space on my Linux partition
[12:00] <hunika> raphink: it is enough?
[12:00] <raphink> that's ok hunika it doesn't add to it, it replaces
[12:01] <hunika> raphink: ok, thanks
[12:01] <hunika> raphink: You are so gentle with a beginner like me. 
[12:02] <hunika> raphink: I appreciate that
[12:02] <raphink> everyone was a beginner someday
[12:02] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I don't believe it. It's upgrading kdegames as well. I didn't even think those games were still being maintained
[12:02] <Hobbsee_away> hunika: this is kde3.5?
[12:02] <hunika> raphink: Where are you writing from??
[12:02] <Hobbsee_away> try logging out, then back in again
[12:02] <hunika> Hobsee_away: yes
[12:02] <raphink> france
[12:02] <hunika> raphink: I am from Romania
[12:03] <raphink> mhm
[12:03] <raphink> nice :)
[12:04] <hunika> raphink: But anyway I am a Hungarian. Probably you have heard about the Trianon dictatum when Transilvania was given to Romania with 3 million Hungarinas
[12:04] <hunika> raphink: I am one of them
[12:04] <hunika> raphink: I am a romanian citizen but my mother tongue is Hungarina
[12:05] <hunika> Hungarian
[12:05] <tucoz> Hi, I do not get any sound output when playing audio cd's with KsCD. Kaffeine works fine though
[12:05] <crimsun> tucoz: in KsCD's options, make sure you enable 'digital audio extraction'
[12:06] <tucoz> crimsun, I see. Let's have a look :)
[12:06] <raphink> I have galician roots, too hunika 
[12:06] <hunika> raphink: I see
[12:07] <tucoz> crimsun, do I choose arts or alsa?
[12:07] <hunika> raphink: Now changing to a Linux question
[12:07] <crimsun> tucoz: probably arts by default
[12:07] <raphink> wait
[12:07] <hunika> raphink: Why I can play everything with Totem and XMMS but Kaffeine is not working
[12:08] <crimsun> tucoz: in a Konsole, pgrep arts>/dev/null ; echo $?
[12:08] <crimsun> tucoz: if you get a 1, use alsa. If you get a 0, use arts.
[12:09] <tucoz> I got a null :)
[12:09] <tucoz> 0
[12:09] <crimsun> well, a '0' in this context means arts is running
[12:11] <Rogue_Jedi_X> So, after adept does its thing, all I have to do to get KDE 3.5 running is log in and out? No rebooting?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> Rogue_Jedi_X: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[12:12] <Hobbsee> is probably better than logging out then back in...
[12:12] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Cheers, Hobbsee 
[12:12] <tucoz> crimsun, do I have to choose an audio device as well?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> no problems
[12:13] <crimsun> tucoz: normally, no
[12:13] <tucoz> Now, it doesn't play at all
[12:13] <tucoz> the time counter is not ticking
[12:13] <crimsun> tucoz: what does the arts dialog give you?
[12:13] <tucoz> How do I access that?
[12:13] <crimsun> tucoz: you said you can choose between arts and alsa...
[12:13] <tucoz> yes
[12:14] <crimsun> so what does that window look like?
[12:14] <crimsun> (I'm not in front of a Kubuntu install)
[12:14] <gochoo> Hi all,i have some trouble with routing table when i connect to VPN server,ANYONE CAN HELP ME PLS!
[12:15] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Well, here goes nothing
[12:16] <tucoz> ok :) Under cdrom device, there is a checkbox "use direct digital playback", an itemselector where I can choose between arts and alsa "Select audio backend", and finally a line "select audio device" with a file browser next to it.
[12:16] <musik> can i get kde 3.5 on hoary????????/
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> no
[12:16] <musik> nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!:(
[12:16] <Kamping_Kaiser> and you don't need that many ?'s :(
[12:17] <tucoz> crimsun, I do not get any additional options when selecting either alsa or arts
[12:17] <crimsun> tucoz: try alsa, then.
[12:17] <Kamping_Kaiser> musik:  :D
[12:17] <crimsun> tucoz: you'll probably need to lower the arts idle timeout to 1 second
[12:17] <crimsun> you can do that in the kontrol center or whatnot
[12:17] <tucoz> crimsun, it refuses to play. the time counter is at 00:00.
[12:17] <Hobbsee> i thought there were some hoary repos for it - maybe that was only beta1
[12:18] <tucoz> ok, I'll try that. Thanks
[12:19] <tucoz> crimsun, thanks for the help. I did not get it to work, but I'll try changing this and that later on.
[12:19] <crimsun> ok, I'll try it from an install later.
[12:20] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Sweet!
[12:20] <Hobbsee> :) it work?
[12:20] <tucoz> hmm, it seems as if KsCD blocks audio output from other parts of my system. I tried "test sound" in kde-settings, and that didn't play until I quit KsCD
[12:21] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hobbsee: Yup. Though this new kicker style is gonna take some getting used to
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Rogue_Jedi_X: hehe, it did for me too back with beta1 - now i hate the 3.4.3 arrangement on dapper!
[12:21] <Hobbsee> Rogue_Jedi_X: try dragging the windows around via the different desktops icon
[12:21] <tucoz> Anyway, I'll try this later on. Bye
[12:22] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hobbsee: Actually, I only use one desktop most of the time
[12:23] <Hobbsee> Rogue_Jedi_X: weird...i use at least 3....
[12:23] <Rogue_Jedi_X> Hobbsee: Yes, I am :)
[12:23] <Hobbsee> :P
[12:24] <Emess> i use 9 :S
[12:24] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:24] <Hobbsee> 9 - nice
[12:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm still a Windows user in that area, I suppose
[12:26] <Rogue_Jedi_X> I'm having trouble finding uses for multiple desktops
[12:28] <Hobbsee> i go nuts whenever i do have to use windows...
[12:29] <Hobbsee> so hard to organise anything
[12:36] <hunika> How should I make my floppy driver to work in kubuntu?
[12:37] <freeflying_> hunika:  insert it into your driver 
[12:37] <hunika> freeflyin_: where?
[12:38] <freeflying_> hunika: floppy disk?
[12:38] <hunika> yes
[12:38] <freeflying_> insert it to your driver , it will works automately
[12:39] <hunika> but where I have to insert
[12:40] <chakie_work> oo, kde 3.5 packages! very, very nice!
[12:41] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:42] <mrmarcel> hi
[12:43] <Hobbsee> hi mrmarcel 
[12:44] <ffeeddee> does somebody know what's this: "Unable to retrive the printer list. Error message recived from manager: Connection to CUPS server failed..."
[12:44] <ffeeddee> how i can fix it??
[12:47] <mrmarcel> hi Hobbsee
[12:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mrmarcel
[12:48] <gibarian> hi everyone....any idea why apps are not starting when invoked via kdesu?
[12:48] <mrmarcel> hi Kamping_Kaiser 
[12:48] <mrmarcel> hi gibarian 
[12:48] <mrmarcel> :)
[12:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:49] <gibarian> well, hello mrmarcel
[12:50] <Hobbsee> gibarian: try the command a second time...
[12:51] <ArtVandalae> Amarok isn't working, so I've been looking to his fix: http://amarok.kde.org/amarokwiki/index.php/MP3_on_Ubuntu_5.10 The thing is, I don't have an apt-build, how can I get it?
[12:51] <gibarian> hobbsee...sorry, I think it's a bit more complicated than that...
[12:51] <Hobbsee> gibarian: it seems to not fire the first time
[12:52] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ping
[12:52] <Hobbsee> you around?
[12:52] <crimsun> Hobbsee: pong
[12:52] <Hobbsee> hmmm...think i might have just found it
[12:52] <crimsun> (working on migrating usb firmware loader to the udev New World Order, but I'm kinda around)
[12:53] <Hobbsee> should i have a problem with firefox flash plugin with no sound, under kubuntu?
[12:53] <Hobbsee> seeing as i dont use esd
[12:53] <Hobbsee> i saw you wrote something on the wiki about it
[12:54] <gibarian> hobbsee: nope, it's simply not working...I checked with my CPU stats, and it seems that Adept for example dies right after entering the kdesu password
[12:54] <crimsun> Hobbsee: you might. I wrap firefox thusly: ''aoss firefox''
[12:54] <Hobbsee> crimsun: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems?highlight=%28flash%29%7C%28sound%29 and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoundProblemsHoary?highlight=%28flash%29%7C%28sound%29 - i know you wrote the first one, but do you know how to get it working under kubuntu?
[12:55] <crimsun> Hobbsee: it really depends on which sound subsystem you use. Do you use arts or ALSA directly?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> ah, let me check...
[12:56] <Hobbsee> crimsun: um, how do i check?  some command?  it's set to autodetect in system settings
[12:56] <Hobbsee> bash: aoss: command not found
[12:56] <crimsun> pgrep arts>/dev/null ; echo $?
[12:57] <crimsun> (you have to install the 'alsa-oss' package if you want to use aoss)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> arts
[12:57] <Hobbsee> ah, i see
[12:57] <crimsun> Hobbsee: what was returned from that command?
[12:57] <Hobbsee> 0
[12:57] <crimsun> k
[12:57] <crimsun> yeah, arts
[12:58] <Hobbsee> :) yeah, i read above, when i realised what i got
[12:58] <Hobbsee> should i try alsa, and see if i have a problem then?
[12:58] <crimsun> no
[12:58] <crimsun> you should use FIREFOX_DSP=artsdsp
[12:58] <crimsun> please see the "Sound" section in /usr/share/doc/firefox/README.Debian
[12:59] <Hobbsee> no such file
[12:59] <crimsun> are you using firefox?
[12:59] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:59] <Hobbsee> 1.5
[01:00] <crimsun> in DapperL
[01:00] <crimsun> ?
[01:00] <Hobbsee> no, breezy
[01:00] <crimsun> it exists in Breezy, too....
[01:00] <Hobbsee> got it via the wiki
[01:01] <crimsun> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=firefox&version=breezy&arch=i386&page=9&number=50
[01:01] <crimsun> it's probably .gz'd for you
[01:03] <Hobbsee> having a look...
[01:14] <BigKahuna> when enabling the universe repo and cant add "multiverse" into the components sections as per the eiki HowTo...
[01:15] <BigKahuna> "I can't"
[01:15] <BigKahuna> Is that going to cause me problems later?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> BigKahuna: any error messages?
[01:16] <BigKahuna> BigKahuna, No, I just type in "multiverse" but as soon as try and apply the change "multiverse" disappears.
[01:17] <Hobbsee> hmm
[01:18] <BigKahuna> this is the how to Im referring to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[01:18] <BigKahuna> Kubuntu / Adept section is at the bottom.
[01:18] <BigKahuna> enabling the universe repo works fine.
[01:19] <BigKahuna> I just can't add the text "'multiverse"
[01:19] <BigKahuna> maybe I'll just try modifying the sources list directly
[01:19] <BigKahuna> question is though, why do we need to add "multiverse" in the first place?
[01:41] <sorush20> guys does qparted come with the Kubuntu installation?
[01:42] <ninHer> hi all
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorush20: in in the installer, no
[01:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi ninHer
[01:44] <sorush20> yes
[01:44] <sorush20> Kamping_Kaiser: yes.
[01:44] <sorush20> in the installer.. 
[01:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> you don't use qparted in the install, no. i don't know if it's part of the base system
[01:45] <sorush20> does anyone know here 
[01:45] <djk_> sorush20: what's so important about it?
[01:45] <sorush20> guys take a look at this I can't access the first partition 
[01:53] <viviersf> what must i install so that qtparted can resize reiserfs and ext3 filesystems ?
[01:55] <ffeeddee> hi!!!
[01:56] <ffeeddee> how i can start cups server??
[01:57] <viviersf> sudo /etc/init.d/cups start
[01:57] <sorush20> you can restart the cups by sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys force-load
[01:57] <ffeeddee> i're my saviour!!  :-D
[01:58] <djk_> viviersf: ext2resize ; progsreiserfs
[01:58] <sorush20> how can I recover data from a partition ?
[01:59] <viviersf> erm
[01:59] <viviersf> sudo apt-get install mondo
[01:59] <ffeeddee> viviersf: if it sais that cups is unknown command?...it very big trouble?
[01:59] <ffeeddee> it's
[02:00] <viviersf> wait
[02:00] <viviersf> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start
[02:00] <viviersf> :)
[02:01] <ffeeddee> also that one gimme the same problem..
[02:02] <ffeeddee> viewing in adept cupsys is installed..
[02:03] <McScruff> does anyone know how to get firefox videos in sync with sound?
[02:04] <djk_> doesn't that depend on the video itself?
[02:04] <djk_> and perhaps on your connection...
[02:04] <gibarian> I'm having problems with umlauts....aren't properly displayed in various apps....German internationalized files are installed....ideas? anyone?
[02:04] <djk_> nnnnnnnn :p
[02:04] <gibarian> I can see that though ;)
[02:05] <djk_> hehe
[02:05] <gibarian> it happens in Kopete and in Konqueror
[02:05] <gibarian> that's bd
[02:05] <gibarian> hmm, works here
[02:05] <djk_> you may want to check what encoding you're using..
[02:06] <McScruff> djk_ : its the os... my connection is fine and the video's are fine, try one, its google videos
[02:06] <gibarian> uh....is that a bug, or has 3.5 completely removed links to Kcontrol and its modules?
[02:06] <djk_> McScruff: i dont use firefox ;)
[02:07] <McScruff> :(
[02:08] <gibarian> oh man, Kcontrol is so utterly broken
[02:10] <McScruff> if i use kcontrol i always use root privalidges
[02:10] <hunika> raphink:????
[02:10] <McScruff> seems to work ok that way
[02:10] <raphink> yep?
[02:10] <raphink> hunika: sorry I was away eating 
[02:11] <raphink> I'll brb
[02:11] <hunika> raphink: I have downloaded and probably my pc installed it but I can not see any change and my system writes to me that I have KDE 3.4.3
[02:11] <hunika> raphink: and i got an error
[02:12] <djk_> gibarian: in konqueror, check under configure konqui->fonts->default encoding (also check the font) what you're using and if that may cause the problem
[02:12] <hunika> raphink: my storage media folder contains just floppy drive
[02:12] <raphink> hunika: did you restart KDE?
[02:12] <hunika> raphink: yes
[02:12] <hunika> raphink
[02:12] <hunika> raphink: after restart I got in trouble
[02:13] <raphink> hunika: when you go to Help -> About KDE in a program
[02:13] <raphink> what does it say?
[02:13] <hunika> K Desktop Enviroment. Release 3.4.3
[02:13] <raphink> see you've got your answer ;)
[02:13] <raphink> how did you restart KDE ?
[02:14] <hunika> raphink: I have turned off my pc than I have restarted
[02:14] <gibarian> djk: thanks, I'll try that
[02:14] <hunika> raphink: it is not the right way?
[02:14] <raphink> ouch that's a harsh way of doing it ;)
[02:14] <raphink> but that works
[02:14] <djk|pr0ning> gibarian: you're welcome
[02:14] <raphink> hunika: you almost never need to restart on linux
[02:14] <raphink> but nm it works, too
[02:14] <hunika> raphink: so what to do?
[02:15] <raphink> hunika: you said there were errors ... during the install?
[02:15] <hunika> raphink: not during the install
[02:15] <raphink> then when hunika ?
[02:15] <hunika> raphink: after restarting my machine
[02:15] <raphink> ok
[02:15] <hunika> raphink: everything is working but I have just one problem
[02:15] <raphink> hunika: do you know about vnc ?
[02:16] <hunika> raphink: what is that?
[02:16] <raphink> hunika: it allows you to invite people to see your desktop and control it
[02:16] <hunika> raphink: no I have not heard about it
[02:16] <raphink> if you trust me enough, you can invite me this way and I have a look at your comp, show you some things and set it right
[02:17] <hunika> raphink: I trust you, you are so gentle with me
[02:17] <hunika> raphink: I will let you
[02:17] <raphink> ok
[02:17] <raphink> well then
[02:17] <hunika> raphink: what is my job than?
[02:17] <raphink> wait a min
[02:19] <hunika> raphink: I am waiting
[02:19] <raphink> hunika: go to the K menu and try to find krfb
[02:19] <raphink> should be in Internet I think
[02:20] <raphink> can you find it ?
[02:20] <hunika> yes
[02:20] <hunika> I have found it
[02:20] <raphink> ok good
[02:21] <raphink> edit a new invite by email
[02:21] <raphink> and send it to raphink@gmail.com
[02:21] <McScruff> whats the command to make the compiler use a differenct gcc? (vmware)
[02:22] <hunika> raphink: I have not created an account
[02:22] <hunika> raphink: can i send from my emial address
[02:22] <raphink> hmm
[02:22] <raphink> then
[02:22] <raphink> sure hunika 
[02:22] <hunika> raphink: by copying the text
[02:22] <raphink> just copy the info from the invite
[02:22] <raphink> and send them to me
[02:22] <hunika> ok
[02:22] <raphink> just don't paste them here ;)
[02:22] <hunika> yes i see
[02:22] <hunika> :D
[02:23] <raphink> hehe ;)
[02:24] <hunika> raphink: I have sent to your email address
[02:25] <raphink> you have to accept the connection
[02:28] <raphink> hunika: oops connection pb
[02:28] <hunika> raphink: try again
[02:29] <raphink> hunika: edit a new invite please. This one doesn't seem to work anymore
[02:29] <hunika> raphink: I think you type the wrong password
[02:29] <hunika> ok
[02:31] <hunika> raphink:sent
[02:31] <hunika> ok
[02:32] <freeflying_> raphink: need gmail?
[02:32] <LeeJunFan> anyone else with 3.5 noticing that previews for text files in konq are putting text over icon preview? like it's not getting the icon size right? at least on amd64...
[02:33] <kkathman> LeeJunFan: Yes apparently thats been reported by several people
[02:33] <LeeJunFan> kkathman: thanks, as long as it's not just me, I just installed 64 bit version, working on getting it to what my i386 setup was :)
[02:34] <kkathman> Not everything is synched up yet, so its still in "test" mode actually for kubuntu
[02:35] <LeeJunFan> well, time to reboot my new 2.6.15-rc3 kernel:)
[02:35] <kkathman> ouch bleeding edge
[02:39] <raphink> hunika: you there?
[02:45] <BigKahuna> How to change the keyboard layout?
[02:45] <BigKahuna> and create new keyboard shortcuts?
[02:45] <raphink> stuck again hunika, waiting for the connection to be back ;)
[02:46] <McScruff> lo, i just installed vmware and the vmware any-any-update96 and got his error when i went to start a virtual machine http://www.geocities.com/respectdoggfather/snapshot1.png
[02:48] <raphink> hunika: ?
[02:51] <kkathman> morning raphink :)
[02:52] <raphink> hi kkathman 
[02:52] <kkathman> well its morning here at least :)
[02:52] <raphink> I'm helping hunika through vnc but it seems the connection is stuck :s
[02:53] <raphink> I'll have learnt that : don't try vnc on romanian internet ;)
[02:54] <Emess> maybe its the french end
[02:54] <raphink> Emess: I doubt so, my connection is 20mbps in / 1mbps out
[02:54] <raphink> ;)
[02:55] <Emess> i want your connection :(
[02:55] <raphink> hunika: I'm closing the connection, it's too slow
[02:55] <Emess> my stupid isp cut my gigabit to dsl for 2 weeks :(
[02:55] <raphink> Emess: come to France, you'll get it ;)
[02:55] <raphink> gigabit ?
[02:56] <hunika> raphink: ????
[02:56] <raphink> hunika: I coudln't do anything anymore
[02:56] <raphink> couldn't move the mouse or anything
[02:56] <Emess> mmm first i wanna get my keyobard to type in kubuntu so that i can login and get all my clients off ym back because their sites are down
[02:56] <hunika> raphink: what shall we do
[02:56] <raphink> hunika: well it's almost done
[02:56] <raphink> at least I know what was wrong
[02:56] <raphink> ;)
[02:56] <hunika> raphink: what can i do
[02:57] <hunika> raphink: what was wrong?
[02:57] <raphink> type 
[02:57] <raphink> wget http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[02:57] <raphink> to download Riddell's key
[02:57] <raphink> hunika: you had not added the KDE3.5 repository. Thus you could not have upgraded to it ;)
[02:57] <raphink> hunika: then : sudo apt-key add kubuntu-packages-jriddell-key.gpg
[02:57] <hunika> raphink: :D What to do now
[02:58] <raphink> then
[02:58] <raphink> sudo apt-get update
[02:58] <MenZa`> Any cool FTP programs out there, preferably in the Breezy Repos :)?
[02:58] <raphink> and finally
[02:58] <raphink> sudo apt-get upgrade
[02:58] <raphink> MenZa`: konqueror ;)
[02:58] <raphink> hehe
[02:58] <raphink> I'll bb
[02:58] <MenZa`> konq has ftp? :o
[02:59] <MenZa`> awesome
[02:59] <raphink> sure
[02:59] <raphink> it has ftp, fish, sftp, and more
[02:59] <hunika> raphink: but it downloads again :(
[02:59] <raphink> yes hunika :)
[02:59] <hunika> raphink: :)
[02:59] <hunika> raphink:
[03:00] <hunika> how can I use here private messages?
[03:00] <Emess>  /query {nick} or /msg {nick} id imagine
[03:00] <hunika> raphink: what could you see when you used remote control?
[03:01] <hunika> raphink: I used in windows too but it was a kind of hack tool :D I got a lot of viruses
[03:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> hunika: remember to ask before /msg in people though
[03:04] <kkathman> MenZa`: Not just Konqueror 
[03:04] <CellarDoor> hi folks
[03:04] <CellarDoor> I've upgraded to KDE 3.5 (yay)
[03:04] <kkathman> MenZa`: basically any file-oriented program - its the kio-slave I believe or one of those components
[03:04] <CellarDoor> but where's superkaramba and khotnewstuff ?
[03:05] <kkathman> CellarDoor: alot of people are wondering where SK is
[03:05] <CellarDoor> hmm
[03:05] <CellarDoor> I keep hearing about khotnewstuff too but cant see anything anywhere
[03:06] <kkathman> yah well 3.5 isnt quite there yet.. still being synched up
[03:07] <raphink> ok I'm back
[03:07] <raphink> :)
[03:07] <kkathman> I'll be front
[03:07] <raphink> hunika: is it done downloading?
[03:07] <raphink> ok kkathman, deal 
[03:07] <hunika> raphink: it is being donwloaded again 32%
[03:07] <hunika> raphink: my net connection is not so fast
[03:07] <raphink> ok good hunika :)
[03:07] <kkathman> raphink: that way we have it coming or going
[03:07] <chakie_work> has anyone experienced problems with kde 3.5 on breezy?
[03:07] <raphink> I've seen that hunika ;)
[03:08] <hunika> raphink: I have I think 64 kb/s
[03:08] <kkathman> chakie_work: yes...its not quite synched up yet
[03:08] <raphink> hunika: yes I would have thought so. It was very slow although I was using the modem quality
[03:08] <hunika> raphink: but it is just 12 dollars and includes full net and telephone too
[03:08] <chakie_work> kkathman: meaning i will lose some packages?
[03:08] <raphink> ssh would have been faster, but then you wouldn't seen what I was doing
[03:08] <Emess> has anyone solved that keyboard issues yet? or am i better off reinstalling mandrake?
[03:09] <raphink> hunika: nice :)
[03:09] <kkathman> chakie_work: that I dont know...some are having more success than others
[03:09] <CellarDoor> what keyboard issues ?
[03:09] <raphink> hunika: here I pay 30 and I get 20mbps/1mbps internet + phone + tv
[03:09] <hunika> raphink: how can I write here private messages
[03:09] <kkathman> Emess: I dont know of any keyboard issues
[03:09] <raphink> illimited freephone to france through internet
[03:09] <raphink> and 100 tv channels :)
[03:09] <chakie_work> kkathman: ok, i saw at least aptitude didn't want to remove anything important
[03:09] <hunika> raphink: good to you
[03:09] <raphink> hunika: you have to register first
[03:09] <hunika> raphink: where?
[03:10] <Emess> kkathman: for soem reason as soon as i get to the login screen the keyboard freezes and i cant type username/password. but the mouse works fine :S
[03:10] <raphink> hunika: type /msg nickserv register $password
[03:10] <raphink> with the password you want for you nick on here
[03:10] <kkathman> chakie_work: no, but remember that the repo you are downloading from is basically "testing" so while its a final release, all the stuff hasnt been synched up ... which is why its NOT in the base repositories yet
[03:11] <Emess> raphink: o.O i pay AU$70 for 512/256 without phone/tv!
[03:11] <chakie_work> kkathman: yeah, i understand that. maybe i can convince my wife to act as a guinea pig
[03:11] <Emess> and thats cheap here!
[03:11] <raphink> Emess: where?
[03:11] <Emess> australia
[03:11] <Emess> perth in fact
[03:11] <raphink> Emess: it would be like that in France asweel without my ISP
[03:11] <CellarDoor> k I've installed superkaramba
[03:11] <kkathman> Emess: I can get 15Mbit down and 5Mb up for around $40.00 US
[03:11] <raphink> Free (my ISP) got on a market some years ago and began to increase the internet speed at low cost
[03:11] <kkathman> all fiber
[03:12] <hunika> raphink: I have written you privi message! Do you got it?
[03:12] <hunika> Have you got it?
[03:12] <Emess> thing is usually im paying AU$400 for a gigabit linkup :D
[03:26] <JimmyJo21> Hallo zusammen
[03:27] <JimmyJo21> kann mir jemand helfen
[03:27] <JimmyJo21> mchte gerne kde 3.5 installieren wei aber nicht wie
[03:27] <kkathman> English only please :)
[03:27] <JimmyJo21> ok
[03:27] <kkathman> thanks
[03:27] <JimmyJo21> how to install kde 3.5 ?
[03:27] <JimmyJo21> iam  a nooby
[03:28] <kkathman> JimmyJo21: http://www.kubuntu.org
[03:28] <JimmyJo21> so please explain in easy steps
[03:28] <JimmyJo21> i have read that but i dont understand
[03:28] <JimmyJo21> add deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main to source.list
[03:28] <kkathman> JimmyJo21: I would suggest that you wait a few days until it is added to the standard repositories
[03:29] <JimmyJo21> and  than apt-get && upgrade ?
[03:29] <kkathman> yes
[03:29] <CellarDoor> it worked for me :D
[03:29] <JimmyJo21> no more?
[03:29] <raphink> kkathman: the opening of #ubuntu-motu-school yesterday makes me want to open a #ubuntu-school with lectures on how to install kde 3.5 for example, announcedon the forums and wiki
[03:29] <kkathman> CellarDoor: good why dont you help JimmyJo21 then
[03:29] <CellarDoor> ok
[03:29] <CellarDoor> hi JimmyJo21
[03:29] <raphink> kkathman: what would you think?
[03:29] <kkathman> raphink: yeah that sounds great :)
[03:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. if ubuntu moved all it's channels off onto it's own servers freenode would run fast again :)
[03:30] <raphink> a place where they would be teachings programmed for newbies, where they can attend
[03:30] <JimmyJo21> ok i test it
[03:30] <raphink> so intead of explaning it to only one, you explain to 20 ;)
[03:30] <JimmyJo21> thanks for help
[03:30] <JimmyJo21> see you
[03:30] <kkathman> but when kde3.5 gets into the repos, its gonna be easy
[03:30] <kkathman> raphink: yep
[03:30] <CellarDoor> uh
[03:30] <raphink> sure but I mean
[03:31] <raphink> it would nost just be on that
[03:31] <raphink> could be basic courses
[03:31] <raphink> on synaptic/adept , the kde/gnome desktop, etc.
[03:31] <CellarDoor> kkathman: not sure thats a good idea :P
[03:31] <raphink> haha
[03:31] <hunika> raphink: still 3.4.3
[03:32] <raphink> hunika: ???
[03:32] <kkathman> well you said you had no problems CellarDoor...and you seem to be the one of the few that didnt
[03:32] <raphink> hunika: that weird
[03:32] <kkathman> CellarDoor: so that makes you the prime candidate for helping
[03:32] <raphink> kkathman: haha
[03:32] <CellarDoor> kkathman: well the install seemed hassle free... but no superkaramba or 'kgethotnewstuff'
[03:32] <JimmyJo21> hi
[03:32] <JimmyJo21> how to check kde version?
[03:33] <CellarDoor> kkathman: but I installed superkaramba after and its just fine
[03:33] <hunika> raphink: ???????
[03:33] <raphink> hunika: too bad your connection is slow... it would be much easier if we could use vnc 
[03:33] <hunika> raphink: Soon I have to go
[03:33] <raphink> hmm
[03:33] <hunika> raphink: I trust you
[03:33] <hunika> raphnink: I can leave my comp on
[03:33] <raphink> yes I know hunika but it's about the internet speed rather
[03:33] <raphink> ok fine
[03:34] <hunika> raphink: I understand
[03:34] <hunika> raphink: decide
[03:34] <CellarDoor> JimmyJo21: click on the help menu in just about any KDE application and choose 'about KDE'
[03:34] <raphink> the easiest then would be that you create a user for me with sudo rights
[03:34] <raphink> and give me an ssh access
[03:34] <raphink> and I can set it up
[03:34] <hunika> raphink: how to do that?
[03:34] <raphink> then when it's done you remove the account
[03:34] <CellarDoor> I might be able to help if he stayed long enough
[03:35] <raphink> you need to install ssh-server : sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:35] <hunika> raphink: I have 7 minutes than I have to go, I have german class
[03:35] <raphink> and create a user account with kuser for example
[03:35] <raphink> and mail me the password you choose
[03:35] <raphink> hunika: I can't do better than that
[03:35] <hunika> raphink: than guide me what to do
[03:35] <raphink> I told you hunika 
[03:35] <raphink> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[03:36] <raphink> that will install the ssh server
[03:36] <hunika> it is being installed
[03:36] <raphink> ok
[03:36] <hunika> it is installed
[03:36] <hunika> now?
[03:36] <raphink> then  kuser
[03:36] <raphink> and create a new account
[03:37] <raphink> with raphink as username
[03:37] <raphink> and send me the password you choose by email
[03:37] <raphink> eventually, last but not least 
[03:38] <raphink> sudo visudo
[03:38] <hunika> Ok i am sending now
[03:38] <raphink> and add my user in the end
[03:38] <raphink> like
[03:39] <hunika> raphine: I have done it
[03:39] <hunika> raphink: I have done it
[03:39] <raphink> you have added me to sudo?
[03:39] <hunika> raphink: Don't make big mess okay :)
[03:39] <hunika> raphink: how to add to sudo?
[03:40] <raphink> hunika: 
[03:40] <raphink> type 
[03:40] <raphink> sudo visudo
[03:40] <raphink> then at the end of the file
[03:40] <raphink> add the line
[03:40] <raphink> raphink ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:40] <raphink> (first space being a tab, next ones being normal spaces)
[03:40] <raphink> then save 
[03:41] <hunika> raphink : usage: visudo [-c]  [-f sudoers]  [-q]  [-s]  [-V] 
[03:41] <raphink> wait a min
[03:41] <hunika> raphink: I got this
[03:42] <raphink> hmm
[03:42] <raphink> sudo visudo -f /etc/sudoers 
[03:42] <hunika> raphink: yes?
[03:42] <raphink> then add that line in the end 
[03:42] <raphink> raphink ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:43] <raphink> then save and quit
[03:44] <hunika> I cant make i
[03:44] <hunika> where should i paste
[03:44] <raphink> why?
[03:44] <hunika> at the end?
[03:44] <raphink> yes at the end  of the file
[03:44] <raphink> after %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL
[03:44] <raphink> or maybe it's easier if you add me to the admin group in kuser ;)
[03:44] <BigKahuna> !moodin
[03:45] <ubotu> BigKahuna: I haven't a clue
[03:45] <raphink> BigKahuna: what do you want to know about moodin?
[03:45] <hunika> raphink: the kuser it is easier. I don't know why i can add you just to the beginning
[03:46] <raphink> ok
[03:46] <raphink> well then use kuser
[03:46] <hunika> raphink: kuser does not starts
[03:46] <raphink> edit my account
[03:46] <raphink> and in the groups tab, check the admin group
[03:46] <BigKahuna> raphink, Just how to install. I think there is a .deb in the dapper universe? Any ideas?
[03:46] <raphink> hunika: well you used it just a few minutes ago...
[03:46] <hunika> raphink edit your account and?
[03:46] <raphink> BigKahuna: the dapper universe package doesn't work right now I think
[03:47] <raphink> are you on dapper?
[03:47] <raphink> hunika: go to the groups tab and add me to admin
[03:47] <BigKahuna> raphink, No. Breezy.
[03:47] <raphink> then it must be in backports I think
[03:47] <BigKahuna> raphink, Can you help me get it installed on Breezy?
[03:47] <BigKahuna> raphink, Oh, backports
[03:47] <kkathman> there arent any 'debs' in any of the repos :)  those are all packages :)
[03:47] <hunika> raphink : done 1 minute i have
[03:48] <kkathman> there are no Breezy backports
[03:48] <raphink> thanks it works hunika 
[03:48] <hunika> do the job
[03:48] <hunika> raphink: thanks
[03:48] <raphink> sure ;)
[03:48] <raphink> I will
[03:48] <hunika> raphink: don't make a mess :)))))))))))))))))))
[03:48] <hunika> raphink: I am leaving now
[03:49] <hunika> bye
[03:49] <raphink> in a few minutes you'll have kde3.5
[03:49] <raphink> ;)
[03:49] <hunika> ok
[03:49] <raphink> it's installing right now
[03:49] <raphink> kkathman: thats bad of you ;)
[03:49] <raphink> hehe
[03:50] <raphink> no good ;)
[03:51] <MenZa`> God I wish I had Cedega
[03:51] <MenZa`> Meaning I wish I could afford it
[03:51] <MenZa`> It looks incredible
[04:06] <The_Servant> Is there somebody who can tell me how to get back the original system control from KDE?
[04:09] <raphink> I think it's installed by default The_Servant 
[04:10] <raphink> just type alt+F2 and in the box type kcontrol
[04:10] <raphink> and you'll get it
[04:10] <andre> The_Servant: if you wanna change it permanently have a look here: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=31865
[04:11] <The_Servant> Thanks!
[04:11] <The_Servant> It answers to my question.
[04:12] <kkathman> The_Servant: If I understand your question... you can click Alt-F2 and type kcontrol  but maybe thats not what you are after
[04:12] <kkathman> or set an icon with kcontrol in it
[04:13] <kkathman> or even add it to your menu
[04:13] <raphink> kkathman: just what I said ;)
[04:14] <kkathman> ohh hehe..I just returned from another task and didnt scroll up
[04:17] <kkathman> cheers!\
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[04:18] <Kamping_Kaiser> np. cheers mate :)
[04:18] <kkathman> its what I get for multi-tasking
[04:19] <kkathman> and going back and forth on a single montior between 5 boxes
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> :D
[04:19] <The_Servant> kkathman: No, I just need to take some screen capture which are rigth whatever may be the distro. I am currently writing an article for a French magazine about KDE 3.5 (under kubuntu of course)
[04:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> ssh+Gnome-terminal+tabs=win
[04:19] <raphink> The_Servant: pour quel magazine?
[04:20] <The_Servant> Linux Pratique
[04:20] <raphink> ok
[04:20] <The_Servant> Ca devrait faire la une normalement ... :)
[04:20] <raphink> :D :D
[04:20] <raphink> cool
[04:21] <JimmyJo21> hi iam back
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> *hides*
[04:21] <JimmyJo21> how to check kde version?
[04:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> KDE --version work? ( i think it did?)
[04:22] <JimmyJo21> type "KDE --version" thats all?
[04:22] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think. but i don't use KDE, ask a pro :)
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> kkathman: help hikm
[04:23] <JimmyJo21> ok and how to edit source.list as root?
[04:23] <JimmyJo21> su
[04:23] <JimmyJo21> passwort
[04:23] <JimmyJo21> mcedit /etc/source.list
[04:23] <JimmyJo21> ?
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> or sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> basicly, with sudo in su
[04:24] <JimmyJo21> ok
[04:24] <JimmyJo21> i need it to update kde 3.4 to kde 3.5 
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> 'need?' :)
[04:24] <JimmyJo21> ?
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> !kde3.5
[04:25] <ubotu> I heard kde3.5 is http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> no help
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> ( i expect)
 Why do you 'need' to update?
[04:26] <JimmyJo21> i want to update
[04:27] <kkathman> you dont "need" to
[04:27] <kkathman> wait a few days and you'll be able to do an apt-get and update :)
[04:27] <JimmyJo21> i add : deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main   to the source list and than apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[04:27] <kkathman> that way you wont be "fixing" things
[04:28] <JimmyJo21> that's all or? 
[04:28] <The_Servant> If you really want to do it today. Do an 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' and be ready to fix a few things by hand (I am finishing on a 5.10. Nothing big or terrible but a few ...).
[04:29] <kkathman> and be aware that several KDE apps wont work
[04:29] <JimmyJo21> i wait a few days and install today kubuntu
[04:29] <kkathman> and icons will be distorted
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> sweet. my tape drive works
[04:30] <JimmyJo21> have somebody an idea how to install a arti grafik card?
[04:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> time to test the cd drive
[04:30] <JimmyJo21> ati
[04:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> !ati
[04:31] <ubotu> somebody said ati was at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI or http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=24557&page=1&pp=10
[04:32] <JimmyJo21> can i use the explain on the ubuntuusers wiki
[04:32] <JimmyJo21> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/ATI
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> maybe, but as it's in German i cant verify it
[04:33] <JimmyJo21> ok
[04:33] <JimmyJo21> i test it
[04:33] <JimmyJo21> thanks
[04:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> GRRRR WTF
[04:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can *write * to a dat tape, but, not ....GLRLRRR
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol YAY
[04:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> i can use dat tape on this box
[04:38] <Kamping_Kaiser> how does one format/ clean a tape?
[04:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > Allo,
[04:52] <Alex[RM-UK] > how can I get KDE 3.5 via Adept?
[04:52] <Wesselaar> yo
[04:53] <raphink> see kkathman there's really a need for a lecture on this subject  ;)
[04:53] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : you cant right now..wait a few days
[04:53] <Alex[RM-UK] > kkathman, It says on Kubuntu's site that it's out
[04:53] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] :  on Riddell's testing server
[04:54] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] :  go follow those directions then
[04:54] <Alex[RM-UK] > kkathman, Ahhh, right - so it's still beeing tested...?
[04:54] <kkathman> and good luck
[04:55] <kkathman> well its a final release, but hasnt been synched with the rest of the apps
[04:55] <kkathman> so there are glitches
[04:56] <raphink> kkathman: like, there could be a lecture, once a week or so, on how to use adept, add repos, etc.
[04:56] <kkathman> it should arrive in the repos very soon, Im sure Riddell is working on it
[04:57] <kkathman> raphink: yah  that would be good :)
[04:57] <raphink> kkathman: would you contribute to the lectures?
[04:57] <kkathman> I used to do that in a channel years ago...we would advertise in the TOPIC, and notices. And then off we'd go
[04:57] <raphink> :)
[04:57] <kkathman> raphink: sure if I thought I could
[04:57] <raphink> nice
[04:58] <raphink> there's a french channel where they do that sometimes
[04:58] <raphink> there could a common place with shared with (k)(x)ubuntu
[04:58] <raphink> with lectures planned for different times
[04:58] <raphink> like on #ubuntu-meeting and #ubuntu-motu-school (since today)
[05:10] <hussam> Off topic question. Is it legal to use the free vmware player linux edition just for running virtual machines I made with qemu? or is that illegal?
[05:14] <hunika> raphink: I am back :D
[05:15] <hunika> raphink: are you there??????
[05:16] <hunika> raphink: ????
[05:17] <hunika> raphink:??????
[05:17] <raphink> and press ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:17] <raphink> and you should log in again in kde3.5
[05:17] <hunika> ok
[05:18] <raphink> hunika: got my messages?
[05:19] <raphink> the installation is just done
[05:19] <raphink> you can restart KDE
[05:19] <raphink> close your session
[05:19] <raphink> and press ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:19] <raphink> and you should log in again in kde3.5
[05:20] <_global> hi
[05:22] <raphink> hi _global 
[05:22] <hunika> raphink: ?
[05:22] <raphink> _global: yes, the cross on the top of the window is to close it
[05:23] <hunika> raphink: I welcome you frome kde .
[05:23] <hunika> 3.5
[05:23] <raphink> wb hunika 
[05:23] <hunika> raphink: thanks
[05:23] <raphink> welcome back (not warner bros)
[05:23] <hunika> raphink: question
[05:23] <raphink> :)
[05:23] <raphink> works fine hunika ?
[05:23] <raphink> you're welcome
[05:24] <hunika> raphink: Why I have two linux-es in the boot screen when I choose between linux and windows
[05:24] <raphink> sure
[05:24] <raphink> what are these two ?
[05:24] <_global> hi
[05:24] <_global> how r u
[05:24] <hunika> raphink: two linux, two kubuntu
[05:24] <raphink> you mean normal and recovery mode hunika ?
[05:24] <_global> heyyy
[05:25] <raphink> there's one that just says Linux 2.6.12.etc... 
[05:25] <_global> do you speak arabic ?
[05:25] <_global> turk
[05:25] <raphink> and the other one says Linux 2.6.12. etc... (recovery mode)
[05:25] <_global> kurdish
[05:25] <raphink> right hunika ?
[05:25] <_global> englid
[05:25] <_global> s
[05:25] <_global> ds
[05:25] <_global> ssd
[05:25] <raphink> la _global 
[05:25] <_global> ban
[05:25] <hunika> raphink: no two recovery and two normal
[05:25] <_global> he y  raprink
[05:25] <raphink> hunika: with different kernel versions?
[05:26] <hunika> raphink: I don't know
[05:26] <_global> hheyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[05:26] <_global> sep
[05:26] <_global> ?q
[05:26] <raphink> lemme see
[05:26] <_global> s
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[05:26] <raphink> _global: continue like this and you'll be kicked
[05:26] <_global> s
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[05:26] <kkathman> _global quite it
[05:26] <_global> s
[05:26] <_global> s
[05:26] <kkathman> quit it
[05:27] <_global> s
[05:27] <_global> s
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[05:27] <raphink> Riddell: you around?
[05:27] <_global> s
[05:27] <_global> s
[05:27] <hunika> raphink: thanks for everything you are so gentle and kind. 
[05:27] <_global> s
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[05:27] <_global> ?///
[05:27] <_global> ban
[05:27] <hunika> raphink: what are that two normal and recovery modes
[05:27] <_global> muzzled
[05:27] <_global> d\
[05:27] <_global> :D
[05:27] <_global> stupid
[05:27] <hunika> _global: are you playing
[05:27] <raphink> hunika: you've got 2.6.12-10-386 and 2.6.12-9-386 that's why
[05:28] <_global> hun'k
[05:28] <raphink> it's not the same kernel version
[05:28] <hunika> raphink: probably
[05:28] <_global> hunika fucking
[05:28] <_global> :D
[05:28] <raphink> hunika: no, surely
[05:28] <hunika> _global: Fuck you
[05:28] <_global> you mother fucking ra
[05:28] <kkathman> hey cut it out guyz
[05:28] <_global> ?D
[05:29] <hunika> Someboday ban _global
[05:29] <kkathman> dont lower yourself to him...just put him on ignor
[05:29] <_global> :D
[05:29] <hunika> raphink: there are in Linux unnecesarry files that I can delete
[05:29] <_global> alll mother fucking
[05:29] <raphink> crimsun Riddell amu 
[05:29] <_global> ban
[05:29] <hunika> _global: Stupid global
[05:29] <_global> kick
[05:29] <hussam> _global: please cool it
[05:29] <conn> I'm having trouble with xv with my graphics card (ATI Mobility M4, using r128). I found this patch (but for XFree86) that could solve my problem, can someone confirm if it was included into X.org? http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg03945.html
[05:29] <kkathman> just put him on ignore guyz
[05:30] <_global> hepinizin anasini< 
[05:30] <_global> sikimm
[05:30] <_global> p'.
[05:30] <_global> piclerrr
[05:30] <_global> gotunuz yemedi demi
[05:30] <_global> sikikler
[05:30] <_global> mi
[05:30] <raphink> crimsun Riddell amu 
[05:30] <_global> hey raprink sana sokim
[05:30] <_global> hunki
[05:31] <_global> hunika seninde anani bayira j
[05:31] <_global> karsisikim
[05:31] <_global> ohhhhh
[05:31] <_global> :D
[05:31] <_global> v
[05:31] <_global> bvc
[05:31] <_global> bcvbv
[05:31] <_global> bvb
[05:31] <_global> v
[05:31] <_global> v
[05:31] <_global> v
[05:31] <_global> v
[05:31] <_global> v
[05:31] <_global> v
[05:31] <_global> v
[05:31] <_global> v
[05:31] <_global> vb
[05:31] <_global> xvb
[05:31] <_global> xcv
[05:31] <_global> b
[05:31] <_global> xcv
[05:31] <_global> bcv
[05:31] <_global> b
[05:31] <_global> vcb
[05:31] <_global> gfdg
[05:31] <Alex[RM-UK] > what the fuck,
[05:31] <_global> df
[05:31] <_global> f
[05:32] <_global> d
[05:32] <_global> f
[05:32] <hunika> raphink:?
[05:32] <_global> df
[05:32] <_global> gd
[05:32] <_global> f
[05:32] <_global> d
[05:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > what the hell is _global doing
[05:32] <_global> f
[05:32] <_global> gfd
[05:32] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] : just put him on ignore
[05:32] <_global> gdf
[05:32] <_global> fd
[05:32] <_global> f
[05:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > how?
[05:32] <_global> dfd
[05:32] <_global> fg
[05:32] <_global> sadfsd
[05:32] <_global> fd
[05:32] <_global> d
[05:32] <_global> d
[05:32] <kkathman> use the  /ignore
[05:32] <_global> sfsdf
[05:32] <_global> sd
[05:32] <_global> f
[05:32] <_global> d
[05:32] <_global> d
[05:32] <_global> sf
[05:32] <_global> sd
[05:32] <kkathman> a very little boy playing with his toy
[05:32] <_global> s
[05:32] <_global> d
[05:32] <_global> f
[05:32] <_global> s
[05:32] <_global> df
[05:32] <_global> s
[05:33] <_global> dfsa
[05:33] <_global> defrewrr
[05:33] <_global> r
[05:33] <_global> we
[05:33] <_global> r
[05:33] <_global> wr
[05:33] <_global> we
[05:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > gah, it doesn't work
[05:33] <_global> re
[05:33] <_global> we
[05:33] <_global> :D
[05:33] <_global> :D
[05:33] <_global> :d
[05:33] <_global> :P
[05:33] <_global> d
[05:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > I type /ignore _global quiet
[05:33] <_global> d
[05:33] <_global> d
[05:33] <_global> d
[05:33] <_global> alex you mother fuck :
[05:33] <_global> ,l;'
[05:33] <_global> mucks
[05:33] <_global> alex guy ?
[05:33] <_global> sh't
[05:33] <_global> shit
[05:33] <raphink> crimsun Riddell amu 
[05:33] <_global> :D
[05:33] <_global> :D
[05:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > _global, you'r a little kid who has nothing else to do but sit there and go dsffdsf
[05:34] <_global> :D
[05:34] <_global> fuck u
[05:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > anyway, how do I restart X ?
[05:34] <kkathman> Alex[RM-UK] :  alt-backspace
[05:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > chars, brb
[05:34] <raphink> Alex[RM-UK] : ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:34] <kkathman> oops sorry ctrl-alt-backspace
[05:34] <kkathman> sorry
[05:34] <kkathman> hehe
[05:34] <raphink> hehe
[05:35] <raphink> belive it or not, global was on konversation...
[05:35] <hunika> raphink: so what is those two things? One is kde 3.4 and the other one 3.5?
[05:35] <kkathman> shrug...ignore works great for me :)
[05:36] <raphink> hunika: no it's two different kernels
[05:36] <raphink> you don'thave kde 3.4 anymore
[05:36] <hunika> raphink: how can i delete/remove one of them
[05:37] <raphink> hunika: why ?
[05:37] <raphink> do you need to remove them?
[05:37] <raphink> you can edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove the entries
[05:37] <raphink> but be careful
[05:37] <raphink> you might break your system
[05:37] <raphink> and not be able to reboot
[05:37] <hunika> raphink: I don't know, it is strange for me 4 linux things there
[05:38] <hunika> raphink: than I will leave in this waty
[05:38] <hunika> raphink: Again I have a small problem
[05:38] <hunika> raphink: You are getting bored with me
[05:38] <hunika> :d
[05:38] <raphink> no but I have to leave very soon
[05:39] <hunika> raphink: I see
[05:39] <hunika> raphink: I have a small problem
[05:39] <hunika> raphink: In the Storage media I can see just my floppy drive, but when I had kde 3.4 I could see all my partitions
[05:39] <raphink> what is that?
[05:40] <raphink> well that's kde 3.5
[05:40] <raphink> that's how it is now
[05:40] <raphink> by default
[05:40] <ClayG> bz2 file what is the cli to unpack it?
[05:40] <hunika> do you use kubuntu?
[05:40] <raphink> yes
[05:40] <kkathman> ClayG:  tar xvjf
[05:40] <hunika> raphink: if you click on system menu then you can access storage media
[05:41] <hunika> in kde 3.5 too
[05:41] <ClayG> tar xvjr filename.bz2 ?
[05:41] <kkathman> ClayG: yes
[05:41] <ClayG> Thank you kkathman 
[05:41] <kkathman> xvjf
[05:41] <raphink> yes hunika I know and yes it's normal that you can only see your floppy
[05:42] <hunika> raphink: there is a registry folder or something like that where I can clean my unused linux files. like temp files in windows
[05:42] <hunika> raphink: in kde 3.4 I could see all of my drives and partitions
[05:42] <raphink> I'm gtg
[05:42] <raphink> later
[05:44] <hunika> raphink: thanks bye
[05:44] <hunika> raphink: Thanks for everything again
[05:45] <Riddell> win 11
[05:45] <Riddell> grr
[05:50] <Riddell> hmm, I see abuse
[05:50] <kkathman> afraid so, Riddell ;(
[05:51] <sambagirl> test
[05:51] <kkathman> I guess it happens from time to time...I just used /ignore :::
[05:51] <kkathman> hi sambagirl :)
[05:51] <sambagirl> hi
[05:51] <Tm_T> abuse :o
[05:51] <Foodcoman> Morning/afternoon/Evening Riddell, kkathman, sambagirl.
[05:51] <Riddell> if anyone has suggestions for people to give ops to that's all welcome
[05:51] <sambagirl> morning] 
[05:51] <sambagirl> brb
[05:51] <Tm_T> Riddell: like me? ;)
[05:52] <kkathman> if you ask for them, typically you arent what they are looking for  hehe :)
[05:52] <Riddell> Tm_T: yep, if you want
[05:52] <Riddell> any objections to Tm_T getting ops?
[05:52] <kkathman> none from me at all
[05:52] <Foodcoman> None from me either!   =)
[05:53] <Foodcoman> Sorry...
[05:53] <kkathman> Tm_T is very deserving :)
[05:53] <Foodcoman> KDE 3.5 is sure looking good.
[05:53] <Riddell> approved!
[05:54] <kkathman> congrats Tm_T :)
[05:55] <hussam> speaking of kde 3.5, anybody got kde 3.5 installed without removing kubuntu-desktop?
[05:55] <Foodcoman> Running it on a Thinkpad R52.  Wireless is working well also.
[05:55] <Foodcoman> hussam: I did the usual upgrade and dist-upgrade with no problems.
[05:55] <kkathman> rofl
[05:56] <Foodcoman> hussam: I had it flag 3 items for removal but everything was clean when done.
[05:57] <hussam> Foodcoman: did you upgrade all packages? also, do you still have kubuntu-desktop installed?
[05:57] <Foodcoman> Just used the repo and Mr. Riddell's key.
[05:57] <Foodcoman> let me look.
[05:58] <Foodcoman> hussam: Yes. 0.55
[05:59] <hussam> Foodcoman: wierd. mine prompts to remove kubuntu-desktop
[05:59] <Foodcoman> I have another machine I can do it for also.  I  upgraded it yet.
[05:59] <Foodcoman> Hold 10 mins or so I will try on it and let you know if that is what its supposed to do.
[06:00] <Tm_T> what?
[06:01] <Tm_T> I was comparing soaps and other cleaning liquids
[06:01] <kkathman> now Tm_T if yer gonna be an op ya gotta pay attention :) lol
[06:01] <Tm_T> huh, sounds like life to me =:O
[06:01] <Riddell> Foodcoman: I don't use a title
[06:01] <kkathman> hehe
[06:01] <kkathman> hussam some people are experiencing that I know
[06:03] <_aj> i have a problem with kde 3.4
[06:03] <_aj> when i start konqueror it freezes X
[06:03] <kkathman> 3.4 or 3.5 ?
[06:03] <_aj> 3.4
[06:04] <kkathman> did you recently try to go to 3.5 ?
[06:04] <_aj> but if i start the file manager its fine
[06:04] <_aj> its really weird
[06:04] <_aj> if i start it from kicker it freezes though
[06:04] <kkathman> _aj what happens if you launch it from say an ALT-F2 ?
[06:05] <_aj> alt-f2 does nothing
[06:05] <kkathman> _aj:  alt-f2 doesnt do anything on your system?
[06:05] <_aj> nope
[06:05] <kkathman> could you try restarting X please and try that again?
[06:06] <_aj> but if i run konq from a terminal its fine
[06:06] <_aj> what should alt-f2 do?
[06:06] <kkathman> alt-f2 should bring up a launch box
[06:06] <sambagirl> restart your computer
[06:06] <_aj> hmm
[06:06] <kkathman> yah that was the next step
[06:06] <_aj> hmm ok
[06:06] <_aj> brb
[06:07] <kkathman> maybe restarting X would have done it tho
[06:10] <Foodcoman> Riddell: Just showin a little respect.... Money would be better right?    =D
[06:10] <Riddell> Foodcoman: money is always good.  hugs are better
[06:10] <Tm_T> ok, now I got nvidia drivers in dapper... but I'm too afraid to reboot =)
[06:11] <kkathman> Tm_T:  ah come on...its only data
[06:11] <_aj> yeah still doesn't work
[06:12] <kkathman> _aj: can you do the alt-f2 now?
[06:12] <kkathman> well ok
[06:12] <kkathman> I think he tried to upg to 3.5 yesterday and was having problems...wonder if he tried to downgrade?
[06:15] <kkathman> back a little later...
[06:15] <_aj> yeah ok running it from run command freezes too
[06:16] <_aj> basically my cursor still moves but i can't kill X i have to manually restart my notebook
[06:16] <_aj> but if i start the file manager first its fine
[06:18] <garux> hello all. .I was wondering if there was a list of wireless cards that kubuntu currently supports
[06:18] <Tm_T> kkathman-away: come on, it's only ~5 reboots more if something goes wrong _again_
[06:19] <Tm_T> btw it's highly unrecommended to use newest dapper kernels ;)
[06:26] <Foodcoman> hussam: getting ready to test.
[06:27] <Foodcoman> hussam: updating repos
[06:29] <Foodcoman> hussam: kde-desktop not in my remove list for Breezy after adding KDE 3.5 repo and key.  I am upgrading to see what happens.
[06:30] <Foodcoman> hussam: Gonna take a bit on this connection, sorry.
[06:31] <hussam> Foodcoman: that's kubuntu-desktop and not kde-dekstop
[06:31] <Foodcoman> Anyone know how to fix a half screen or 1/3 screen Open GL screensaver problem?  thinkpad r52
[06:31] <hussam> Foodcoman: how stable is it?
[06:31] <Foodcoman> hussam: Sorry thats what I meant.
[06:32] <Foodcoman> hussam: Its not listed to be removed.  
[06:32] <Foodcoman> I have not had a single hiccup.
[06:32] <Foodcoman> This is only my second day now running it, but it honestly seems cleaner in some ways.
[06:33] <Foodcoman> I used to get intermittent failure to load something after giving a password.  Now it take it every time.
[06:36] <hussam> I added the repo again. and tried it adept. it still wants to remove kubuntu-desktop
[06:37] <Foodcoman> What version is yours showing/
[06:37] <keggy> #ubuntu-it
[06:37] <keggy> hi.....
[06:37] <hussam> of kubuntu-desktop?
[06:38] <keggy> there's no one?!?
[06:38] <Foodcoman> Yep
[06:38] <keggy> I need help...
[06:38] <keggy> i have to modify the permission to acces to a file...
[06:38] <hussam> .55 
[06:38] <_aj> yeah?
[06:38] <Foodcoman> Konsole or GUI keggy?
[06:38] <keggy> what command i have to write??
[06:39] <keggy> konsole
[06:39] <_aj> chmod is your friend
[06:39] <Foodcoman> hussam: same as mine even after the upgrade.
[06:39] <dmlinux> anyone here use VMware workstation?
[06:39] <Foodcoman> chmod is the command
[06:39] <_aj> chmod 775 file
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[06:39] <keggy> I try
[06:39] <Foodcoman> Good job _aj 
[06:39] <Foodcoman> =)
[06:39] <_aj> do you get an error keggy ?
[06:40] <_aj> thanks Foodcoman 
[06:41] <keggy> yes
[06:41] <_aj> what is your error?
[06:41] <dmlinux> Can anyone tell me how VMware Workstations performance under linux (running windows with VM) is?
[06:41] <Foodcoman> hussam: I searched http://kubuntuforums.net kubuntu-desktop
[06:41] <keggy> i have to type sudo chmod xupploclicant.conf 775
[06:41] <_aj> well if you root owns it and you aren't you will have to do sudo chown user file 
[06:42] <_aj> oh
[06:42] <Foodcoman> hussam: Found a link that may or may not apply.  Sec and I will get it for you.
[06:42] <_aj> why do you have to change the permissions of that file?
[06:42] <_aj> can't you just modify it with sudo?
[06:42] <keggy> i have modified xsupplicant.conf to have acces to a resticted LAN
[06:43] <_aj> ok
[06:43] <_aj> well why do you have to change permissions of that file?
[06:43] <keggy> sudo chown xsupplicant ..... and after???
[06:44] <_aj> well if you want to be the owner you have to do like sudo chown keggy xsupplicant
[06:44] <stupendo44> question: how can I record sound that I am playing?
[06:45] <_aj> tell me what ls -l xsupplicant.conf says
[06:45] <artox> hi !
[06:46] <artox> how can i open a tcp port for azureus?
[06:46] <artox> because it says something like nat-error
[06:46] <_aj> artox: do you have a router?
[06:46] <Foodcoman> hussam: http://kubuntuforums.net/index.php?topic=115.0
[06:46] <keggy> ok welll
[06:46] <stupendo44> artox: nat is related to a firewall or router. Are you using a router?
[06:46] <keggy> and now i want ot acces to make a modify...
[06:46] <Foodcoman> hussam: Note message from Freddan
[06:47] <_aj> you want to access the xsupplicant.conf file?
[06:47] <artox> errm... no
[06:48] <_aj> just do like sudo nano xsupplicant.conf in konsole
[06:48] <artox> but i'm router for my second win pc
[06:48] <_aj> so the internet is directly connected to that computer?
[06:48] <keggy> ok....
[06:48] <stupendo44> artox: are you using iptables or anything like that?
[06:48] <keggy> all done....
[06:49] <keggy> thansk a lot....
[06:49] <keggy> bye
[06:49] <_aj> see ya
[06:49] <artox> yes i use iptables
[06:49] <artox> oooh!
[06:49] <artox> =P
[06:49] <JakubS> kernel 2.6.15 just uploaded to dapper sucks terribly - 70% CPU load doing nothing
[06:50] <artox> i thought iptables only affects the connections between my sec. win pc and the internet with me as router
[06:50] <JakubS> breaking ipw2200 and synaptics too
[06:50] <stupendo44> artox: nope, it controls everything
[06:51] <stupendo44> it's possible you're blocking the ports that azureus needs
[06:51] <artox> i'll check that...
[06:55] <stupendo44> question: I upgraded to kde 3.5, but now arts is crashing from time to time. Is there an easy fix?
[06:55] <Foodcoman> stupendo44: I had that same problem prior to 3.5 when I would close out xine or kaffeine of one of the media players.
[06:56] <JakubS> i think this is the reason of current c++ transition (c2 -> c2a)
[06:56] <JakubS> damn, it is impossible to work as it is, going back to kernel 2.6.12
[06:57] <Foodcoman> JakubS: hope this fix ipw2200
[06:57] <azertyuuu> hey all, i want to upgrade to kde3.5, and i did everything what is said on www.kubuntu.org , but it seems noet to work
[06:57] <stupendo44> Foodcoman: so what'd you do?
[06:57] <Foodcoman> JakubS: Hope they fix.....ipw2200
[06:57] <stupendo44> azertyuuu: what's not working?
[06:58] <azertyuuu> and where do i have to paste this :  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main 
[06:58] <Foodcoman> stupendo44: I work for a food company!
[06:58] <stupendo44> Foodcoman: so... we all have our jobs...
[06:59] <stupendo44> azertyuuu: listen to ubotu 
[07:00] <Foodcoman> azertyuuu: it adept under Adept menu manage repositories
[07:00] <JakubS> Foodcoman: this is ubuntu/debian patches problem - i used self-compiled 2.6.15-rc1 briefly and there were no such problems
[07:00] <azertyuuu> stupendo44: ok thanx
[07:00] <JakubS> or maybe just different .config options
[07:00] <Foodcoman> stupendo44: My is very tasty.  Also get to work with computers all day.
[07:01] <_aj> my day job is photoshop
[07:01] <Foodcoman> brb
[07:02] <Tm_T> JakubS o/
[07:07] <rraajj> Hi! Anyone knows how to (or a how-to) solve the arts crashing problem in 3.5?
[07:07] <Tm_T> rraajj: kde 3.5 final?
[07:07] <rraajj> Tm_T: Yep.
[07:08] <Tm_T> hum, dunno about that
[07:08] <sambagirl> where i can find the notepad for kubuntu for pasting things?
[07:08] <rraajj> I thought they were going to fix it on the final release. Hmm, weird.
[07:09] <_aj> is it just me or is arts always having issues?
[07:09] <Tm_T> sambagirl: you mean kedit? or Kate?
[07:09] <Tm_T> hmm, I don't use arts
[07:09] <Niosop> Hello, I've set up a kubuntu install to authenticate against an OpenLDAP server, and mount home directories using autofs.  But kde takes about 5-10 minutes to come up when logging in as an OpenLDAP authenticated user.  And after it comes up, it gives a couple of errors about the trash, media and service protocols dying.  Anyone have a working setup or any ideas?
[07:09] <stupendo44> is there an easy way to remove arts without screwing everything up?
[07:09] <sambagirl> i not sure Tm_T
[07:10] <sambagirl> who is kate?
[07:10] <sambagirl> who is she?
[07:10] <_aj> lol
[07:10] <sambagirl> maybe i try
[07:10] <sambagirl> i just discover g-edit
[07:10] <_aj> kate is a program for editing text files
[07:10] <sambagirl> why is called kate?
[07:10] <sambagirl> she made it?
[07:10] <Niosop> KDE Advanced Text Editor (kate)
[07:10] <hussam> sambagirl: kate = KDE Advenced Text Editor
[07:11] <sambagirl> ahh
[07:11] <sambagirl> ok
[07:11] <Tm_T> ;)
[07:11] <sambagirl> well where i find her under uilities?
[07:11] <Niosop> anyone have OpenLDAP authentication working under kubuntu?
[07:11] <sambagirl> who is Open.DAP?
[07:12] <sambagirl> what is it?
[07:12] <sambagirl> what does it do?
[07:12] <_jonas> I am new to Kubuntu and competely lost...is there a manual for it?
[07:12] <sambagirl> yes called man
[07:12] <sambagirl> type man
[07:12] <sambagirl> i think?
[07:12] <sambagirl> if i correct man is command for unix manual
[07:13] <sambagirl> i just try, is true
[07:13] <stupendo44> is there an easy way to remove arts without screwing everything up?
[07:13] <sambagirl> type man <and thing here>
[07:13] <sambagirl> arts?
[07:13] <Tm_T> stupendo44: just disable it
[07:13] <Chousuke> man pages can be cryptic
[07:13] <stupendo44> how?
[07:13] <sambagirl> if your with mission impossible you can remove arts easy :D
[07:13] <Chousuke> not for newvies.
[07:13] <sampan> jonas, the KDE help pages (Kmenu --> Help (looks like a lifering) can be useful -- for most things, asking here will usually net a reply of one sort or another
[07:14] <Niosop> stupendo44, it's iffy.  Never tried under kubuntu.  you could uninstall arts, then set the sound system to alsa in the kde control panel.
[07:14] <Tm_T> stupendo44: kcontrol -> sound -> sound system or something
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[07:14] <sambagirl> man works i just try it
[07:14] <_jonas> like this?
[07:14] <Tm_T> Niosop: nah, no need to uninstall
[07:14] <sambagirl> no things on the ends
[07:14] <Chousuke> _jonas: you should just see the wiki for any helpful starter tips
[07:14] <sambagirl> just man
[07:14] <sambagirl> man this 
[07:14] <sambagirl> man that
[07:14] <sambagirl> man login
[07:15] <Chousuke> man pages aren't what he wants :/
[07:15] <Foodcoman> Anyone use a Thinkpad?
[07:15] <sambagirl> but he say manual
[07:15] <sambagirl> man is shorty 
[07:15] <sambagirl> no?
[07:15] <Chousuke> I think he meant a starter guide
[07:15] <sambagirl> he wants whole book
[07:15] <_jonas> Chousuke, sampan: Thanks! I will try it out
[07:15] <sambagirl> good luck
[07:15] <Chousuke> _jonas: the best way to learn is to try things out
[07:15] <_jonas> thanks sambagirl!
[07:16] <sambagirl> your very welcome _jonas
[07:16] <Chousuke> _jonas: you can't break stuff very easily, as long as you don't do things as root 
[07:16] <sambagirl> maybe someone take time to make big book on ubuntu
[07:16] <sambagirl> do dissertation
[07:16] <sambagirl> become PHD of ubuntu
[07:16] <sampan> jonas, the unofficial faq ( http://kudos.berlios.de/kf/kf1.html ) has some good information, though i can't vouche for it all
[07:16] <sambagirl> lol
[07:17] <sambagirl> imagine this
[07:17] <sambagirl> PHD's in Kubuntu
[07:18] <Foodcoman> The Doctor is in!
[07:18] <stupendo44> ok, I see now. I thought before that removing arts would remove a bunch of other things, but all it does is remove a few meta packages. So it's not a big deal
[07:21] <bkw> I've tried default ubuntu with gnome as wm, but I didn't really like it. the gnome project doesn't have well documented webpage for endusers. This is a reason why I would like to tryout Kubuntu
[07:22] <bkw> Are there any diffrence between those wm's in how quick they are, I mean is gnome any quicker than kde?
[07:23] <hussam> bkw: I think gnome uses less memory ( the last time I tried it was gnome 2.6), but from my experince KDE is a bit faster in performace.
[07:24] <holycow> to add kde as an available de via gdm ... am i installing kubuntu metapackage or some other kde-dekstop-environment-thing ?
[07:24] <sampan> bkw, some people say that gnome is quicker for them -- for me it was just the opposite though -- kde seems faster (at least once i turned off all the animation effects in the gui).  if you want much faster, try xfce4 or fluxbox
[07:24] <hussam> kde seems really fast here
[07:25] <sampan> holycow, easiest is to apt-get kubuntu-desktop -- that will pull all the kde stuff for kubuntu
[07:25] <bkw> sampan, yea, I've been using xfce for ages. but I was just looking at the kunbuntu project which looks nice.
[07:25] <bkw> Are there any live cds available for kubuntu just as default ubuntu?
[07:26] <sampan> bkw, :)  it is nice imo ... and yeah, there's a live cd
[07:26] <holycow> sampan, does that replace any usplash stuff and gdm themes?
[07:27] <sampan> holycow, i'm not sure about usplash -- but when it installs it will ask you if you want to change to kdm or not
[07:27] <holycow> ah okay. thanks
[07:27] <bkw> sampan, how is the media part for such things as playing diffrent typs of movie formats. mpeg ,dvd, divx etc... I guess videolan would work if there's no default installed.
[07:28] <sampan> bkw, kubuntu is much like ubuntu that way -- the proprietary formats aren't installed by default, but you can get them going pretty easy from the repos
[07:28] <sampan> !restrictedformats
[07:28] <ubotu> somebody said restrictedformats was https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats or 'codecs'
[07:29] <bkw> Is the Flight-1 Dapper installation recommended or is it very unstable?
[07:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > !pastebin
[07:29] <ubotu> somebody said pastebin was a site where you can post large texts and screenshots so you don't flood the channel. You can find it at http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl or at http://ubuntu.pastebin.com
[07:29] <JakubS> back to kernel 2.6.12 -synaptics still broken
[07:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > Hi, can someone help me with my error: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5266
[07:29] <_aj> yeah i use synaptics too
[07:29] <sampan> i think i heard nalioth saying dapper is stable -- as long as you only want to use term programs :X
[07:29] <Alex[RM-UK] > im trying to compile Metatheme
[07:30] <sampan> i.e., stick with breezy for now ;O
[07:30] <bkw> sampan, right
[07:30] <_aj> at least until beta 1
[07:32] <bhna> Alex[RM-UK] : pleas paste the full error message
[07:32] <Alex[RM-UK] > bhna, that is
[07:32] <skypa> is there a way to pipe a soundfile to gstreamer and thus through my stereos with commandline?
[07:33] <skypa> :)
[07:33] <bkw> sampan, what really _pissed_ me was that gnome's lack of documentation/faq.  I mean see yourself at gnome.org
[07:33] <bkw> it looks like a commericial site.
[07:33] <bhna> Alex[RM-UK] : have you installed the compiler and the dev packeges?
[07:33] <Alex[RM-UK] > bhna, what for?
[07:34] <holycow> http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2005-11-04-018-26-OP-SS-NV-0089  <-- interesting post
[07:34] <bhna> Alex[RM-UK] : compiling the Methatheme
[07:34] <Alex[RM-UK] > bhna, what do you mean? which compiler and dev packages?
[07:34] <holycow> i'm not trying to start a flamefest, but i do have a question.  one of the things i hated about kde architecturally is that it is essentially compiled as one big app ... or rather like 4 large components
[07:34] <holycow> is kde4 looking at componetizing the de down to the app level?
[07:34] <bhna> Alex[RM-UK] : gcc g++ and qt-dev and so on ...
[07:35] <Alex[RM-UK] > I think so, im a newb so im not 100% sure
[07:35] <bhna> Alex[RM-UK] : the dev packages are not standard
[07:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > ah, then proberly not - what are the full package name?
[07:36] <holycow> perhaps that is a question better posed to a kde channel :)
[07:36] <holycow> sorry
[07:36] <holycow> hehe
[07:36] <bhna> Alex[RM-UK] : is it a gtk or qt programm?
[07:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > not a clue
[07:36] <Alex[RM-UK] > bhna, http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=13010
[07:38] <Alex[RM-UK] > bhna, its ok I found a solution on tinternet
[07:38] <bhna> Alex[RM-UK] : read this first http://www.metatheme.org/installation.php
[07:41] <_moss> how do i allow windows to access a folder
[07:41] <_moss> on my linux
[07:41] <_moss> via SAMBA?
[07:43] <mhc> erhm, my comp has been acting strange lately.. sometimes when i start up it says something about "Kernel panic" or something like that... anyone have any idea what that could be (I'll try to figures out exactly what it writes when i get that kernel-panic-thingie next time it comes....)
[07:45] <dipnlik> hi all. what is the name of the kde program that shows in the first time you enter KDE, and asks about theme and shortcuts and visual detail levels?
[07:48] <bhna> dipnlik: kpersonalizer
[07:50] <rathma> hey all!
[07:50] <mtupper> I am fairly unsatisfied with the kwifimanager...   can anybody recommend a superior alternative?
[07:50] <dipnlik> bhna: thanks a lot :)
[07:51] <bhna> dipnlik: my pleasure
[07:51] <skypa> any idead why the Setup button for the openpgp module in kmail is greyd out?
[07:51] <skypa> *ideas
[07:52] <bhna> skypa: have you gpg installed?
[07:53] <skypa> yeah, I'm using it all the time to sign and encrypt messages
[07:53] <skypa> but I'd like to tell KMail to use gpg-agent
[07:53] <slow-motion> hallo
[07:53] <skypa> but I can't configure the openpgp plugin in kmail because.. well, it's active but the setup button is greyed out :)
[07:54] <artox> hey all, i flushed iptables but still cant download with azureus!
[07:54] <holycow> *blink*
[07:54] <holycow> oh man, this is going to take some time to reconfigure
[07:54] <holycow> heh
[07:55] <holycow> how do i add a second panel on the bottom?
[07:55] <dipnlik> holycow: right click on a panel, add to panel, panel, panel
[07:56] <dipnlik> holycow: then right click the new panel and configure it
[07:56] <holycow> doh! i was looking in config panel okay
[07:56] <bhna> skypa: GpgMe Dirmngr?
[07:57] <artox> what could block some connections to my computer?
[07:59] <Foodcoman> artox: Your access point or router
[07:59] <Foodcoman> artox: Unless you your machine is in DMZ or you have it forwarding right ports.
[08:00] <dipnlik> about transparency: 1) is it possible to enable transparency in only one panel? 2) it it possible to make the taskbar transparent?
[08:01] <artox> Foodcoman: i have a dsl-modem connected to this pc, and what is DMZ?
[08:01] <artox> Foodcoman: i am relatively new to linux =p
[08:02] <Foodcoman> artox: Many of the ISP devices have basic firewall or NAT to provide some level of protection.
[08:02] <bhna> dipnlik: 2) yes
[08:02] <Foodcoman> artox: They have to be opened up.
[08:02] <Foodcoman> dipnlik: 1) yes
[08:02] <Foodcoman> dipnlik: konsole set default schema to transpartent.
[08:03] <bl3ssing> god bless all of you.
[08:03] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:03] <bl3ssing> how're you people?
[08:03] <bhna> bl3ssing: nice
[08:03] <Foodcoman> artox: look at the model of your model of your modem and google it.
[08:03] <bl3ssing> great bhna
[08:03] <bl3ssing> :-)
[08:04] <artox> Foodcoman: the problem is: i've already downloaded with these settings with win98
[08:04] <_philippe> salut a tous !!!!!
[08:04] <Foodcoman> artox: works in 98?
[08:05] <_philippe> oups !! hi to all
[08:05] <dipnlik> bhna: how? looks like transparency options are for all panels, at least here
[08:05] <_linus> ^^ Hi philippe
[08:05] <Foodcoman> artox: I had some challenges with azurues, yet bittorent from the packagemanager worked.
[08:05] <_philippe> weepy !!! i'm so happy !!
[08:06] <dipnlik> bhna: and that didn't make the taskbar transparent :(
[08:06] <Foodcoman> artox: Try another torrent util to double check.
[08:07] <dipnlik> Foodcoman: I know about konsole, what I want is a separate transparent panel with big icons for programs, and only this should be transparent
[08:07] <bhna> dipnlik: sorry have a german desktop
[08:08] <dipnlik> bhna: no problem, if you can give me your instructions I can try to adapt things here
[08:08] <Foodcoman> dipnlik: Ah, sorry misunderstood.
[08:09] <dipnlik> bhna: and my boss is from Austria, I can wait for him to come back :)
[08:09] <dipnlik> Foodcoman: no problem :)
[08:10] <bhna> right klick on the taskbar -> Fenterleiste einrichten -> Erscheinungsbild -> Transparenz einrichten
[08:10] <szu> hi guys
[08:10] <szu> can anyone help me out with konqueror configuration?
[08:11] <artox> Foodcoman: how to start bittorrent?
[08:11] <bhna> szu: ??
[08:11] <szu> can it be set to open 'home directory' in new window not in new tab?
[08:11] <holycow> i take it kde doesn't like ubuntus 'sudo everything' config
[08:11] <szu> let's say I'm looking at google.com and click on 'home directory' 
[08:11] <szu> right now it opens in new tab, I want it to open in new window
[08:12] <szu> how to do it?
[08:12] <bhna> szu: change the tabbing behavior
[08:12] <holycow> does kde automount media?
[08:13] <szu> bhna: where can I find it? [I've been using KDE for 3 hrs...] 
[08:13] <JakubS> at last fixed synaptics -loading evdev module does the trick :-)
[08:13] <artox> YES! it wo-ho-horks!
[08:13] <bhna> szu: i have a german desktop. so i have a prob
[08:16] <dipnlik> bhna: if I understand you, it is right click on the taskbar, then 3rd option (wrench icon), then 4th tab, then 3rd box, right?
[08:18] <bhna> dipnlik: yes, very goog
[08:18] <dipnlik> bhna: that doesn't work :(
[08:18] <sampan> dipnlik  i couldn't set two panels to different transparency either -- just tried using the GUI and if i change one to trans the other one goes too -- and vice versa  :/ 
[08:18] <szu> ok, I've just found it
[08:18] <dipnlik> bhna: I mean, it makes everything transparent, except the taskbar
[08:18] <szu> it was well hidden ;] 
[08:19] <dipnlik> sampan: I found the same here... but thank you for trying :)
[08:19] <dipnlik> guess I'll need another software for that, like Karamba or something
[08:20] <bhna> dipnlik: sorry not the 4th tab the 5tab!!
[08:20] <bhna> dipnlik: from classic to transparency
[08:21] <JakubS> anyone uses initng with kubuntu?
[08:21] <dipnlik> bhna: no 5th tab here o.O'
[08:21] <neoncode> Hey is it possible to get linux to boot faster?
[08:22] <bhna> dipnlik: sorry have kde 3.5 here :-(
[08:22] <dipnlik> bhna: oic
[08:22] <JakubS> neoncode: yup, tricks like initng and readahead
[08:22] <dipnlik> bhna: well, good to know this was implemented in 3.5 :D
[08:23] <neoncode> JakubS: What are they?
[08:24] <JakubS> initng: replacement for old sysvinit, it is much faster (i tested it on gentoo) because it runs init scripts in parallel
[08:24] <neoncode> sysvinit?
[08:25] <JakubS> readahead: make system read some files (like kdm, kdelibs, etc.) early during boot so it is much faster to use them later
[08:25] <JakubS> and system does not use too much disk during stuff like network initialization
[08:26] <JakubS> neoncode: sysvinit - that program running your init scripts 
[08:26] <JakubS> it is 20 years old or maybe even older and no disto maker is brave enough to replace it :-)
[08:26] <neoncode> JakubS: How do I install these tools? oh wait, adept tells me that I already have readahead
[08:27] <artox> hey all !
[08:27] <JakubS> good  question, i'm trying to compile and install initng right now so i don't have an answer yet
[08:27] <Slyder0244> anyone have time to help a new kubuntu user
[08:28] <artox> i've installed bittorrent and bittorrent-gui via adept, but it seems i'm to stupid to execute it?!?! help me please
[08:28] <dipnlik> Slyder0244: ask your question(s)
[08:28] <JakubS> for readahead: cool, but list of files to preread looks not right - atk or pango stuff makes more sense in ubuntu
[08:28] <JakubS> for kubuntu that should be rather kdm, kdelibs, libqt
[08:28] <Slyder0244> just needed to know how to change the permissions on my hard drives i've searched for forums and everything i've tried doesn't seem to unlock it so i can either read or read/write
[08:28] <neoncode> artox: try Alt+F2 and bittorrent
[08:29] <JakubS> neoncode: so i don't think you benefit too much from readahead running kubuntu
[08:29] <artox> that was the first thing i tried, doesnt work
[08:29] <neoncode> JakubS: atk? ango?
[08:29] <neoncode> *pango
[08:29] <JakubS> gnomie libs
[08:29] <JakubS> not used in kubuntu
[08:30] <holycow> wow
[08:30] <JakubS> so preloading them is simply nonsense
[08:30] <holycow> kde architecture is great, but it trully suffers from not having something like the hig
[08:30] <neoncode> JakubS: So what do you suggest I can do?
[08:30] <bhna> holycow: there is a HIG www.kde.org
[08:31] <JakubS> oh there are some ui guidelines but they are not being treated as gospel :-)
[08:31] <holycow> bhna, i think if i say anything more i will end up looking like a troll :)
[08:31] <JakubS> neoncode: i think suggesting suse (working readahead) or gentoo (easy to install initng) would not be welcomed in this channel :-)
[08:32] <JakubS> holycow: you can always change nick to holytroll :-)
[08:32] <bhna> holycow: like a gnome troll ;-)
[08:32] <neoncode> JakubS: I like kubuntu anyway...
[08:33] <JakubS> neoncode: well, you can download and compile initng and then try to make it work somehow :-)
[08:33] <Stele> isn't a gnome troll like some kind of crazy half-breed?
[08:33] <JakubS> or redo readahead file list by hand (or with some tool if there exists one)
[08:34] <holycow> lol indeed dudes :) 
[08:35] <mtupper> can someone tell me how one gets xbindkeys to load at startup?
[08:36] <dmlinux> Anyone here play CS:S?
[08:36] <holycow> i see buttons ..... everywhere
[08:36] <holycow> why are there buttons everwhere
[08:36] <JakubS> mtupper: put it to .kde/Autostart
[08:36] <holycow> on konqueror therer are buttons on every single frame of the app
[08:36] <holycow> lol :)
[08:37] <Stele> frankly - I chose kubuntu because of KDE, because KDE is built with Qt
[08:37] <Stele> I love Qt, and use it on Windows + Mac too
[08:37] <holycow> i'm back testing out out after reading a very astute critique of gnome
[08:37] <szu> guys, is there something like 'Open Terminal Here' in konqueror? Like it is in nautilus?
[08:37] <JakubS> szu: F4
[08:38] <holycow> however, i'm deploying linux to workstations and now i remember why i ended up using gnome ... you can't have regular users use gnome
[08:38] <JakubS> ok, time to test initng, brb
[08:38] <holycow> there is just too much power at their fingertips
[08:38] <szu> JakubS: thanks, but what about desktop? F4 doesn't work on desktop
[08:38] <Stele> im just tired of things being based on the "gn" prefix
[08:38] <Stele> :)
[08:39] <holycow> heh
[08:39] <Stele> OS nerds really need to come up with better names
[08:39] <Stele> GIMP, indeed
[08:39] <holycow> gimp has to be rebranded
[08:39] <socketbind> howdy
[08:39] <Flixor-> guys i have a strange problem 
[08:39] <mtupper> Jakubs, I figured it was something along this line, but could you be more explicit?  what do I put in this directory?  all I have there now is a .directory file that lists a translation for 'Autostart' in about every language you could possibly think of.  Also, note: I actually installed ubuntu/gnome first and then installed kde desktop-metapackage afterwards, in case that might have a difference.
[08:39] <neoncode> GIMP is a strange name, where did they come up with it anyway?
[08:39] <Stele> they might have a cream for that Flixor
[08:39] <socketbind> geez this automount and what-should-I-do-with-this dialog driving me NUTS :D
[08:39] <holycow> but see lets take konqueror for example
[08:39] <Flixor-> i have a useraccount where i cant type on the keyboard 
[08:39] <Stele> "General Image Manipulation Program" - very nerdy
[08:40] <holycow> that is simultaneously the single best and single worst app i've ever seen
[08:40] <holycow> i love konq
[08:40] <holycow> i love the power, ctrl/l split windows arbitrarily
[08:40] <socketbind> somebody tell me how to disable this thing :D
[08:40] <szu> mtupper: go to ~/.kde/Autostart, and run following command 'ln -s /usr/bin/xbindkeys'
[08:40] <Flixor-> other accounts are working just fine but this one accont doesnt work anymore when i type something in a app 
[08:40] <holycow> with kparts you can do anything
[08:40] <holycow> BUT
[08:40] <holycow> when you add it all up, what is konqueror? is it a browser?
[08:40] <holycow> file manager?
[08:40] <holycow> ftp client?
[08:40] <rathma> hey all
[08:40] <holycow> just what the hell is it
[08:41] <szu> holycow: might be some new emacs extension... ;] 
[08:41] <bhna> holycow: in german eierlegendewollmichsau
[08:41] <holycow> its got like icons and menues everywhere, how the hell is a non techie suppose to figure it out?
[08:41] <neoncode> holycow: A nerd's wet dream
[08:41] <kkathman> holycow: actually many of the things in konq are available in other KDE apps
[08:41] <mtupper> szu, thanks
[08:41] <holycow> kkathman, i know, thats really the awesome thing about kde, kparts.  gnome could really do well to emulate that
[08:42] <neoncode> holycow: What is kparts?
[08:42] <kkathman> holycow: for instance, if you load up krusader it is also a web browser and ftp machine too :)
[08:42] <Stele> AND i dessert topping!
[08:42] <Stele> i=a
[08:42] <kkathman> As a file manager, Konq is very very good.
[08:42] <holycow> neoncode, everything in kde is an object, you can take an ftp browsing component and stick it into a text editor for example
[08:42] <Tm_T> anyone in dapper?
[08:42] <darkheart> I concur! (about konq)
[08:42] <holycow> so you can instantly get a text editor to save files over ftp without user having a clue
[08:43] <holycow> i would say, and i mean this as a compliment, that kde devs have such a great framework that they are abusing it
[08:43] <neoncode> holycow: So basicly as un-windows like as you can possibly get?
[08:44] <szu> guys, sorry for noob question, but how does one set global keybinding in KDE to let say launch Konsole?
[08:44] <holycow> neoncode, well, thats a broad brush.  they do a lot of things well but most of that stems from centralized control of the os and the support a monopoly garners as a pseudo standard
[08:45] <crimsun> raphink: yes?
[08:46] <holycow> another usability example: the kde applications menu.  i have a 3200x1200 dual monitor setup.  the panel is set to tiny.  the kde apps menu is a eeety bitty little square, it's hard to click on
[08:47] <neoncode> is "eeety" actualy a word anyway?
[08:47] <holycow> another weird thing: i set up panel to not allow app overlap.  thats great.  but its dual moni, and my panel occupies the top of only the right hand moni.  when i drag apps onto the moni without panel all the apps obey that rule even there.
[08:47] <socketbind> howdy, how do I disable the entire automount thingy?
[08:47] <socketbind> I killed ivman but this thing shows up should I stop HAL too?
[08:48] <neoncode> HAL?
[08:48] <holycow> does kubuntu automount usb stuff btw?
[08:48] <socketbind> I dunno suse had some scripts integrated into HAL that automounted stuff
[08:48] <socketbind> I would not want any kind of automount on my system
[08:49] <socketbind> It drives me nuts, when I pop in a blank cd konqueror shows up and the what-should-I-do-with-this dialog thingy
[08:49] <socketbind> and when I select do nothing it ejects right before k3b wants to write the cd
[08:49] <holycow> yes but put in a usb stick, how do you mount that?
[08:50] <socketbind> I would create a device link on the desktop or mount /dev/sda1 /media/usbdisk :D
[08:50] <holycow> lol you know what i mean
[08:50] <socketbind> ok ok I upgraded to KDE3.5 and I expected to some things to be broken
[08:50] <socketbind> but this drives me NUTS
[08:50] <holycow> okay end of experiment :)  in terms of my personal opinion, i think the two projects should merge.  they both have some trully excellent ideas and implementations
[08:50] <holycow> thx for the help guys :)
[08:52] <Flixor-> i got a strange message 
[08:52] <Flixor-> alueError: User ID 0 appears more than once.
[08:52] <szu> I have a problem with auto mount too
[08:52] <szu> I have iPod with ipodlinux installed
[08:52] <szu> it has 3 partitions, and 3rd one should _not_ be ever mounted
[08:53] <szu> hal correctly marks it as 'not mountable'
[08:53] <szu> but kde mounts it anyway
[08:53] <szu> any idea?
[08:54] <JakubS> initng works quite nicely :-)
[08:54] <JakubS> and it makes startup faster
[08:55] <szu> should be default in dapper
[08:55] <crimsun> initng? Not a chance.
[08:55] <szu> why not/
[08:55] <szu> ?
[08:55] <crimsun> because Scott's doing neat (but highly grrr) things with udev
[08:55] <szu> all I hear is ubuntu boot-up improvements
[08:56] <szu> and it still is slowest booting distro I had
[08:56] <crimsun> you're probably not using Dapper at the moment, then
[08:56] <szu> and the splash is just awful ;-)
[08:56] <socketbind> will ever stuff like paralell booting be in ubuntu ?:)
[08:56] <socketbind> like init-ng?
[08:56] <socketbind> or whatever?
[08:56] <JakubS> crimsun: what is the problem with udev and initng?
[08:57] <socketbind> hmm initng works?
[08:57] <socketbind> whoa how can I try it? :DD
[08:57] <crimsun> JakubS: initng is the wrong way to go about it, I agree with Scott there
[08:57] <JakubS> ./configure --prefix=/ && make install && init=/sbin/initng in grub and it just worked
[08:57] <crimsun> socketbind: it already does with the udev New World Order
[08:58] <JakubS> crimsun: so what do you recommend instead of initng
[08:58] <JakubS> ?
[08:58] <socketbind> o_O? and it's somehow compatible with the old sysvinit way?
[08:58] <socketbind> oh maaan this drives me insane
[08:58] <socketbind> every time I want to insert a blank cd
[08:58] <socketbind> it gets ejected right before k3b wants to write it
[08:58] <crimsun> JakubS: I personally think Scott's onto something, and everyone wowed by initng is just barking up the wrong tree to an extent
[08:59] <socketbind> geez I totally don't get it nearly makes me cry lol
[08:59] <socketbind> how did I deserved this
[08:59] <JakubS> oh, we have case of 'Scott's onto something' vs 'there is initng, it works, and works quite nicely'
[08:59] <JakubS> guess what looks better :-)
[08:59] <crimsun> initng has a very nice ideal, but ultimately it doesn't resolve the /dev issue, which is what Scott's dealing with
[09:00] <szu> yet another 'suse has it working for 2 years now', but we will show them!
[09:00] <JakubS> szu: you can show them by making readahead actually do something useful :-)
[09:00] <JakubS> or just port it from suse and be done with it
[09:00] <socketbind> geez I'll go nuts and slaughter everbody :D
[09:01] <szu> and then my 8 yrs-old sisters asks me to turn off usplash because she liked those 'scrolling words' better
[09:02] <socketbind> I disabled it too
[09:02] <szu> anyway... there's something wrong with automount in 3.5
[09:02] <szu> it ignores hal settings
[09:02] <socketbind> and it drives me nuts too :D
[09:03] <szu> I have drive marked as 'do not mount me' and it mouts it anyway
[09:03] <socketbind> I just selected some wacky action and all blank cds will eject and unmount
[09:03] <socketbind> by default
[09:03] <szu> is it configurable somewhere?
[09:03] <socketbind> I dunno but I killed nearly everthing
[09:03] <socketbind> HAL, ivman
[09:04] <socketbind> anything what would cause this madness
[09:04] <socketbind> this is the strangest stuff I had for years now I totally don't get it why it behaves like this
[09:05] <socketbind> well whatever no pain no gain, I upgraded to 3.5 and I expected to break some stuff but this hard?
[09:05] <szu> well I don't have problems with blank cd's
[09:05] <socketbind> automount totally went nuts for me
[09:05] <szu> it doesn't recognize them, they are completely ignored ;] 
[09:06] <socketbind> well whatever, but if it will unmount and eject this cd once more
[09:06] <socketbind> I'll bash this machine
[09:06] <socketbind> :D
[09:06] <socketbind> I'll be damned! :D
[09:06] <socketbind> geez I cannot take it I must destroy something :D
[09:07] <szu> maybe we will switch
[09:07] <szu> take mine
[09:07] <szu> and I'll take yours
[09:07] <socketbind> o.k. :D
[09:07] <szu> my KDE says I don't have any cdroms
[09:07] <szu> where as far as I know I have at least 2
[09:08] <socketbind> mine automounts even that what can't be mounted
[09:08] <socketbind> i killed hald-addon-storage and ivman too now I totally dunno what causes this
[09:08] <socketbind> upgrading to 3.5 was a bad idea
[09:09] <socketbind> but my curiosity overwhelmed me lol
[09:09] <szu> ;] 
[09:09] <szu> brb, maybe reboot will cure this damn thing
[09:09] <socketbind> it's not that bad but this automount issue
[09:09] <Set> Simple question. How do I upgrade to KDE 3.5?
[09:09] <socketbind> If you want to keep your hair in place better don't do it :D
[09:09] <Set> I added deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main into my sources list
[09:09] <Tm_T> socketbind: unonstall ivman, install am-utils
[09:10] <socketbind> Tm_T: I killed ivman, it seems that it isn't the culprit
[09:10] <socketbind> Set: I did a dist-upgrade and everything was fine
[09:11] <Tm_T> yu
[09:11] <Tm_T> but uninstall it, it's pain in the ass anyway
[09:11] <Tm_T> and install am-utils
[09:11] <socketbind> o.k. if you say so
[09:11] <socketbind> die ivman dieee boom
[09:11] <Set> nm. I figured it out
[09:12] <Tm_T> Set: np ;)
[09:13] <Set> socketbind: I did so aswell. Didn't see the "apply" button in Adept :$
[09:15] <rathma> hi all
[09:16] <socketbind> szia rathma 
[09:16] <socketbind> :)
[09:17] <rathma> szia socketbind 
[09:17] <socketbind> we should talk in english that was just politeness ;)
[09:17] <socketbind> or patriotism whatever :D
[09:18] <rathma> socketbind, speak eljek english onli?
[09:18] <socketbind> yes rathma :D
[09:18] <socketbind> though I'm hungarian too
[09:19] <Chousuke> I know a couple hungarian words. :o
[09:19] <rathma> socketbind, ok:) kde 3.5 cool :) im use ubuntu original + KDE:)
[09:20] <socketbind> rathma: I installed kde3.5 and automouting went nuts for me :D
[09:20] <Chousuke> I learned them mostly when a friend of mine who studies hungarian gave examples of a few words that resemble finnish ones :)
[09:20] <rathma> sorry my english light:)
[09:21] <rathma> socketbind, :)
[09:21] <rathma> ubu good distro
[09:21] <Chousuke> Yes ;P
[09:21] <Chousuke> I wish I still had unpartitioned space on my powerbook
[09:21] <demon71> anyone help me out with some Audio issues
[09:22] <szu> you creazy hungarians how do manage not to break your tougue? ;-)
[09:22] <socketbind> haha I would say the opposite lol :D
[09:22] <szu> last year I was working with some romanian girls
[09:22] <szu> one of them was odd and didn't talk to anyone
[09:23] <szu> it turn out that she was Transilvanian (?) 
[09:23] <socketbind> let me guess, she was hungarian? :D
[09:23] <Chousuke> If hungarian pronunciation is anything like Finnish it shouldn't be that bad. 
[09:23] <socketbind> oh transylvanian
[09:23] <socketbind> that's nice too
[09:23] <rathma> Yes Im crazy Hungaryan:)
[09:23] <socketbind> there's some funny quote about hungarians
[09:23] <socketbind> "Aliens are among us, they're called hungarians"? :D
[09:23] <szu> she was really nice, spoke fluently: english, romanian, hungarian and latin
[09:24] <socketbind> someone famous said this
[09:24] <socketbind> it's kinda funny
[09:24] <szu> ;] 
[09:25] <socketbind> well I gave up with this automount issue
[09:25] <szu> they say that once you master hungarian lang. there's nothing challenging left to do ;-)
[09:25] <socketbind> I'll fix it later
[09:25] <socketbind> well imho hungarian is one of the most complex languages :D
[09:25] <socketbind> but finnish is rather funny I agree
[09:26] <socketbind> it's as funny as hungarian
[09:26] <szu> not sure if it's complex but definately hard to pronounce
[09:26] <robotgeek> hmm, guys..#kubuntu-offtopic welcomes you with this offtopic conversation :)
[09:27] <socketbind> okeydokey I'll stop :D
[09:27] <Tm_T> no it dont
[09:27] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:27] <Tm_T> hmm, wondering one thing...
[09:27] <szu> aren't we active #kubuntu users deciding what's 'on topic'? ;-)
[09:28] <Tm_T> no, that's me ] ;=
[09:28] <Chousuke> No-one's talking about on-topic matters anyway
[09:28] <socketbind> I'm passive kubuntu user now :D
[09:28] <Chousuke> I wish they'd send me mu Breezy CDs already
[09:28] <Chousuke> my*
[09:28] <szu> I got them last week
[09:28] <Chousuke> I ordered some CDs just before Breezy was out
[09:29] <Tm_T> ;)
[09:29] <Tm_T> now I know how that thing works
[09:30] <socketbind> the funny things is
[09:30] <socketbind> every time I lay my hands on a new distro
[09:30] <socketbind> it just matter of weeks
[09:30] <socketbind> till I nuke it
[09:30] <socketbind> I tend to install too much bleeding edge stuff
[09:30] <levander> Anybody know why when I click "Burn" k3b is only giving me the option to "Only Create Image"?  I don't just want to create an image, I also want it burned to DVD.
[09:30] <socketbind> and everything gets nuked
[09:32] <levander> apparently i had to click on "k3b defaults", then the dialog changed dramatically.  wierd.
[09:32] <szu> levander: do you have access to your writer?
[09:32] <levander> szu: i'm pretty sure i do
[09:32] <levander> szu: not sure though
[09:33] <szu> then check it ;-)
[09:33] <levander> szu: how?
[09:33] <szu> in the console type: ls -l /dev/hd*
[09:33] <szu> hda* is probably your disk
[09:33] <szu> and then hdc or hdd will be your writer
[09:34] <szu> paste it here
[09:34] <szu> and then type: groups and paste it here also
[09:34] <levander> szu: yeah, i'm in the cdrom group which has rw permissions on /dev/hdc
[09:34] <szu> have you run k3bsetup?
[09:35] <socketbind> geez
[09:35] <socketbind> my friend nuked his machine once more
[09:35] <levander> szu: clicking "k3b defaults" in k3b changed that dialog so that I was presented with the option to burn a disc and not just create an iso
[09:36] <socketbind> why just everything gets broken around me? :D
[09:36] <levander> szu: but i just tried burning the disc and got ":-( write failed: Input/output error"
[09:36] <szu> perhaps you happen to be Bastard Operator From Hell? ;>
[09:36] <Chousuke> My stepsister has a similar effect on machines.
[09:36] <socketbind> szu: that must be my alter ego :D
[09:36] <levander> socketbind: if he keeps nuking his machine, should he be running linux?
[09:37] <socketbind> he nukes linux too lol
[09:37] <socketbind> he nukes anything what he lays his hands on
[09:37] <Chousuke> everytime she has used any of my machines they either lock up or apps start crashing or otherwise acting weird.
[09:37] <szu> give him steel ball and he'll break it too
[09:37] <szu> ;] 
[09:37] <Chousuke> even OS X locked up when she used it.
[09:37] <socketbind> my girlfriend crashed my BSD too
[09:37] <bhna> levander have enable the correct driver in k3b
[09:37] <Chousuke> It's seriously WTF-inducing
[09:38] <szu> levander: is it first time you use k3b?
[09:38] <Chousuke> OS X has only once locked up for me
[09:38] <socketbind> I dunno if women have some "bad vibes" that screw up machines
[09:38] <socketbind> but I'll scientifically prove it
[09:39] <Chousuke> I don't know why it did that, but it hasn't done its since... until my sister used the machine
[09:39] <Chousuke> :P
[09:39] <szu> it's been matematically (through induction) been proved that women is the root of all evil
[09:39] <Chousuke> now it's been running stable for a few months, and currently 18 days without a reboot
[09:39] <socketbind> well I'll be damned if my sister will not nuke her fresh-all-shiny kubuntu install on her machine
[09:39] <levander> Chousuke: yeah, basically first time, i've played with it once or twice before
[09:40] <szu> levander: run k3bsetup first to make sure everything is set up as it should be
[09:40] <bhna> levander: what is you cdrdao driver auto or other?
[09:41] <socketbind> not women are the root of all evil
[09:41] <socketbind> it these freaking pesky computers
[09:42] <Chousuke> All the feeks who code the OSes infect them with anti-woman vibes.
[09:42] <Chousuke> and then the precence of a woman makes them act weird.
[09:42] <Chousuke> presence*
[09:42] <socketbind> and they code wierd to code too
[09:42] <socketbind> -to
[09:44] <socketbind> my kernel is screeching
[09:44] <socketbind> printk: 2510 messages supressed?
[09:44] <szu> oh my... I found a nice bug
[09:44] <socketbind> o_O
[09:44] <szu> I was trying to turnoff tooltips on the taskbar
[09:44] <szu> the big  ones over K menu and so on...
[09:45] <szu> 'Show tooltips' doesn't work
[09:45] <socketbind> then file a bug report :D
[09:45] <szu> instead 'Enlarge icons under cursor' does ;] 
[09:46] <socketbind> geez every time I head "enlarge" I associate with those stupid spams
[09:46] <socketbind> hear*
[09:46] <sorush20> guys I'm just backing up my home folder .. if I were to format and reinstall kubuntu all I would have to is to copy all my baked up home folder to the new kubuntu system right?
[09:47] <szu> yes, at least in theory
[09:47] <socketbind> you should place your home on another partition
[09:48] <socketbind> \w/ >_< \w/
[09:48] <socketbind> lol
[09:49] <sorush20> guys what backup tool are all using ?
[09:49] <szu> tar
[09:49] <socketbind> tar rocks
[09:50] <socketbind> or kdar perhaps
[09:50] <gibarian> hey everyone....anyone know about known problems with Skype in Kubuntu?
[09:50] <socketbind> gibarian: it has just damn slow startup for me
[09:50] <szu> cu guys
[09:50] <socketbind> bye szu
[09:51] <gibarian> socketbind: It keeps telling me that there's a problem with the sound device....
[09:51] <socketbind> that's fun, try to disable the sound server
[09:51] <socketbind> btw. your nick comes from solaris?
[09:51] <_jonas> Plz help me! How do I install programs like firefox, skype etc. in Kubuntu. I am downloading the file, extracting it using Ark...and then what? 
[09:51] <socketbind> _jonas: use adept, you don't need to download anything by hand
[09:52] <JakubS> hm, making initng work required some effort after all
[09:52] <_jonas> Socketbind: and where is adept?
[09:52] <socketbind> K Menu -> System -> Adept Package Manager
[09:52] <gibarian> socketbind: yes, it does....like the book/movie?
[09:52] <socketbind> yes
[09:53] <socketbind> I'm searching for the old russian movie and the new with george clooney
[09:53] <gibarian> socketbind: there's no skype in adept, or is there?
[09:53] <socketbind> well there is not, but he should install firefox from there
[09:53] <gibarian> socketbind: the tarkovsky movie should be available online...and the soderbergh one is all over the place
[09:54] <socketbind> well I love strange themed scifi's but that's offtopic so we better stop :D
[09:54] <socketbind> _jonas: you should untar the skype package you downloaded
[09:54] <sampan> gibarian  if you have the right repos (plf free and non-free) you can adept/apt-get skype
[09:54] <socketbind> in your home anywhere you want
[09:55] <socketbind> you will have a binary called skype in the dir where you extracted it
[09:55] <socketbind> just run it
[09:56] <_jonas> socketbind: excuse my lack of knowledge...I am brand new to Kubuntu..Untar?
[09:57] <socketbind> just unpack it with ark somewhere in your home
[09:57] <_jonas> Thnks
[09:57] <gibarian> sampan: oh, I think I've all sorts of alternative repos added, but it never showed up...oh well, I downloaded the static version
[09:58] <socketbind> plf has this stuff indeed :)
[09:58] <sampan> gibarian  *nod*  either way works i think ... the ubuntu source-o-matic site has the plf repos -- that's where i got it
[09:59] <gibarian> sampan: by the way, I tried installing the deb from the skype site, but that's spitting out some unmet dependency problem about another qt version
[10:00] <jbueler> umm is there a way to set up a dual monitor system with kubuntu?
[10:00] <jbueler> is it as easy as getting the correct drivers for the second video card?
[10:01] <sampan> gibarian, yep -- that happened with me too -- i managed to get it to workaround (googlage help) -- it worked okay though, but the repo is just nice b/c it's fire-and-forget :X
[10:02] <gibarian> sampan: yes, it is, that's quite true
[10:04] <doctormo> Hey all
[10:04] <doctormo> got an odd problem with my network
[10:05] <_jonas> What is the difference between Gnome and KDE? Is it possible to run Bittorrent for Gnome (ubuntu) on my KDE (Kubuntu)?
[10:06] <doctormo> _jonas: yes, because Qt will run on KDE
[10:07] <_jonas> thnks
[10:07] <neoncode> How do you play .mov files?
[10:07] <socketbind> this source-o-matic is nice but where can I get the keys I need?
[10:07] <doctormo> neoncode: you need to aquire a media player with quick time support
[10:08] <neoncode> doctormo: Such as?
[10:09] <neoncode> doctormo: Oh wait, an adept search for "quicktime" gave some results.
[10:10] <doctormo> neoncode: I found ffmpeg
[10:12] <socketbind> bye
[10:16] <neoncode> doctormo: I thought ffmpeg only encoded files?
[10:17] <doctormo> neoncode: according to Quicktime 4 linux page it does decode. as long as you found somthing, do you need a hand searching?
[10:17] <neoncode> doctormo: Found something?
[10:19] <doctormo> yes, have you found somthing?
[10:20] <neoncode> doctormo: Well i got "libquicktime1"
[10:21] <doctormo> neoncode: cool, instaled?
[10:21] <neoncode> yep, but just a sec...
[10:27] <now3d> Hi, I am trying to find mozilla mail news package, to go with mozilla 1.7 on ubuntu, but it does not seem to be in the repository today.. it was there but had a dep problem yesterday
[10:30] <neoncode> doctormo: Ahh, I think the .mov file i was trying to play was corroupted. oh well. Oh what video sink is the best for kaffine?
[10:37] <Maniqui> hi. i'm about to give up with Kubuntu :(
[10:37] <Maniqui> i have achieved to connect to my wireless router (at least, it responds when pinging it)
[10:37] <Maniqui> but I cant connect to the internet.
[10:38] <Maniqui> But that isnt all. There is something I cannot understand:
[10:38] <robotgeek> Maniqui: can you check your logs, with dmesg | less, and see if your packets are being blocked?
[10:39] <Maniqui> the first times I went to system -> network settings, I clic on "Administrador Mode", put the password, and then I can modify the network settings
[10:40] <Maniqui> but now, that doesnt works anymore: if I clic in Administrator Mode, and put the password, all the options remains in grey (desactivated)
[10:40] <Maniqui> robotgeek, I will check that
[10:40] <Maniqui> i'm in windows right now
[10:40] <Maniqui> my wi-fi card works perfectly with my router settings here in windows
[10:41] <Maniqui> but I have reinstalled twice Kubuntu, because of the "Administrator Mode" problem.
[10:42] <sorush20> guys why is it that in k3b you have to erase a CDRW but you have to format a DVDRW?
[10:51] <now3d> sorush20: I think just different terms, DVDRW is different technology
[10:52] <now3d> does anyone know where i can find mozilla-mail package for kubuntu 5.10 install please...?
[10:59] <sorush20> mozilla mail package?
[10:59] <sorush20> !mozilla mail package
[10:59] <ubotu> sorush20: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
[11:06] <bhna> !mplayer
[11:06] <ubotu> I heard mplayer is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MplayerInstallHowto  For compiling, see: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=31061
[11:07] <hunika> hello how can i register here
[11:08] <bhna> !java
[11:08] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[11:08] <bhna> !javadebs
[11:08] <ubotu> [javadebs]  Sun Java debs packaged for breezy are at http://www.giannaros.org/public/breezydebs/
[11:12] <Foodcoman> hunika you register with the nickserv
[11:25] <francois> bonsoir
[11:25] <robotgeek> hi francois 
[11:26] <francois> Je suis un vieux utilisateur de MDK et je teste un peu kubuntu 
[11:26] <francois> Hi
[11:26] <robotgeek> !fr
[11:26] <ubotu> Va a #ubuntu-fr et #kubuntu-fr pour aide et discussion en francais
[11:26] <robotgeek> :)
[11:27] <francois> Es-ce que quelqu'un sait comment je recupre les packages de filesharin still appolon 
[11:27] <robotgeek> francois: i don't speak french, so sorry
[11:28] <francois> Ok
[11:28] <francois> Thank
[11:28] <robotgeek> try joining the french channel with /join #kubuntu-fr
[11:29] <francois> I do so
[11:30] <francois> my question is to know if somebody can help me to get filesharing package like apollon 
[11:31] <robotgeek> francois: apollon is in the repos
[11:31] <robotgeek> francois: you just need to enable the universe repository
[11:31] <robotgeek> ubotu: tell francois about repos
[11:32] <francois> that means
[11:32] <robotgeek> francois: follow the link which ubotu sent you. it has instructions there
[11:32] <francois> I am kubuntu new user
[11:32] <francois> OK
[11:33] <francois> where is it
[11:33] <robotgeek> francois: check your pm
[11:34] <robotgeek> francois: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto
[11:35] <francois> I see
[11:35] <francois> I have to change my sources.list, if i undestand
[11:36] <robotgeek> francois: yes
[11:37] <francois> I try it. I am Mandrake user and i try ubuntu for the first time. It's nice
[11:37] <gnomefreak> are the kubuntu sources listed as ubuntu in the sourceslist?
[11:38] <robotgeek> francois: good to know :)
[11:41] <mtupper> I am getting some tips from a Gentoo HOWTO and am looking for the kubuntu equivalent to:   $HOME/.xsession    so that I can add:   /usr/X11R6/bin/xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap   to it.  Anybody have any ideas?
[11:41] <stefano> ciao a tutti
[11:42] <robotgeek> mtupper: you can run it at session startup? 
[11:42] <robotgeek> i meant on kde-startup
[11:43] <duende> Help : I'm trying to install ATi drivers in kubuntu using a guide on the forums.  After buliding the packages, when i try to install the resulting deb files, it says it requires xserver-xorg >=6.99.99 .  Any ideas?
[11:43] <mtupper> robotgeek, sorry?  didn't follow you
[11:43] <robotgeek> mtupper: you can add 'xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap' to run when kde logs in?
[11:45] <granbar> Hey
[11:45] <granbar> I'm having trouble using fglrx
[11:45] <duende> granbar: what kind of trouble?
[11:46] <granbar> I've tried to follow the instructions I've found around on the web, but still fglrxinfo tells me I'm using mesa
[11:47] <granbar> I can see that the kernel module flgrx is used by 0
[11:47] <duende> granbar: basically you install the modules, change the driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf to "fglrx" (instead of "ati"). Then restart your Xserver.  Ensure that X is using the right config file by checking /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[11:48] <granbar> A-ha!
[11:48] <duende> which was it?
[11:48] <granbar> the log tells me that 3D-rendering is disabled
[11:49] <duende> mmkay
[11:49] <mtupper> robotgeek, sorry, but perhaps I am too much of a rookie and really need it spelled out...  I sort of follow you, but not 100%  how do I get that string to run at login?  also, please check this out, I cant find a ~/.xprofile  either...       http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Use_Multimedia_Keys#KDE
[11:49] <granbar> DRI initialization failed!
[11:49] <duende> but is it using the right config file?
[11:49] <granbar> (maybe driver kernel module missing or bad)
[11:49] <granbar> I am
[11:50] <robotgeek> mtupper: sorry about that
[11:52] <robotgeek> mtupper: i take it that your wasn't detected
[11:53] <Aaden> gah can anyone tell me why after i upgraded to kde 3.5 i nolonger can find my drives anymore
[11:53] <oracel> kde ate them
[11:53] <oracel> development makes binaries hungry
[11:53] <Aaden> lawl yea thats why a that giant pengiun got eaten by the k
[11:53] <oracel> yes :o
[11:54] <mtupper> robotgeek, that my what wasnt detected?
[11:54] <Aaden> i tryed to stop it but i was overpowered
[11:54] <robotgeek> mtupper: your keyboard
[11:55] <mtupper> well, everything works except for the multimedia controls...
[11:55] <robotgeek> mtupper: you already tried the khotkeys program?
[11:56] <mtupper> robotgeek, I have found the keycodes for everything, etc...
[11:56] <DocTomoe> could someone please tell me if this bug only appears on my machines? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=101803
[11:56] <mtupper> i looked at it, but it didnt... hmmm, let me check that again.
[11:57] <robotgeek> mtupper: since i don't really use kde, this might be an issue. tho, creating the .xprofile file might just work
[11:58] <granbar> Would anybody know why DRI isn't loaded in my kernel? :)
[11:59] <granbar> ?
[12:00] <granbar> Is that why?
[12:00] <Aaden> yup
[12:00] <Aaden> thunderous kick of doom
[12:00] <granbar> dmesg | grep -i kick
[12:00] <granbar> doesn't give any output
[12:01] <DocTomoe> what is DRI ?
[12:01] <Aaden> gah i still dont know why i cant find my drives
[12:02] <granbar> Aaden: Try to connect them
[12:02] <kkathman> DRI = driving really idiotic
[12:02] <kkathman> ??
[12:02] <kinfo> what?
[12:02] <granbar> DocTomoe: It's got something to do with 3D accelerators
[12:02] <Aaden> gah they are connected they disappeared on me after i upgraded to kde 3.5
[12:03] <granbar> Aaden: External drives?
[12:03] <DocTomoe> i see ... pretty useless stuff, then (if one does not happen o be a CS student...)
[12:03] <granbar> Hehe