=== bradb [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has left #launchpad [] === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-235-116.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #launchpad [12:28] kiko-zzz: oh man [12:28] mpt: awake? [12:28] kiko-zzz: how can you be sleeping alreadY? === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable058.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === mdke_ is now known as mdke === mdke is now known as mdke_ === mdke_ is now known as mdke [01:10] jordi, I'm not asleep [01:10] but I will be soon [01:10] what's up? === bradb_ [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === GoRoDeK [n=gorodek@p5083E3DB.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #launchpad === merriam [n=merriam@84.12.153.69] has joined #launchpad === bradb_ [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has left #launchpad [] === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo_away is now known as Nafallo === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo is now known as Nafallo_away [02:41] Where do you guys get instructions about how to perform rocketfuel hacking? The bzr specific parts [02:45] (I need to update the documentation) [02:56] jblack: RocketFuelSetup and PQMSetup are the main pages I think (launchpad wiki) [02:57] thanks === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #launchpad === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #launchpad [03:04] are you guys still using "baz" ? [03:06] no [03:06] Ok. I'll take that out then [03:37] PQMSetup is ancient === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [04:33] I updated PQMSetup just recently. === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === Asazuke [n=Asazuke@c-67-182-45-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === Asazuke [n=Asazuke@c-67-182-45-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #launchpad [04:54] hello :) how do I change my destination addy for my @ubuntu.com addy? I was pointed that it can be done by changing the primary email at lp, and I've done so, but to no effect... === jbailey_ [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === GoRoDeK [n=gorodek@p5083DCEF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === sivang-zzz is now known as sivang [07:43] Morning === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #launchpad [07:59] hi sivang [08:05] hey jamesh , how's stuff? [08:06] good === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #launchpad === c0i0t3 [i=t7DS@200.175.168.1] has joined #launchpad [08:24] ae galera..alguem pode me ajudar com a instalao do ubuntu ?!?! [08:25] c0i0t3: ?habla ingles? [08:25] jblack no ... s portugues === carlos [n=carlos@121.Red-83-50-63.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [08:26] el tiempo es malo por portugues (Yo no hablo porgugues, pero espanol.. malo espanol!) [08:26] carlos! [08:26] =\ [08:26] morning [08:27] alguem brasileiro ae ?!?!?! [08:27] jblack, ;-) [08:27] carlos: feel like giving some distro assistance in your natural lingua? [08:27] jblack, dude, I'm spanish.... [08:27] c0i0t3: the brazillians should be up soon [08:28] I thought you were brazilian? [08:28] jblack, ;-) [08:28] jblack, lamont too :-D [08:28] sou brasileiro galera.... nao falo portugues [08:28] jamesh: He lives in brazil. :) [08:28] =] [08:29] c0i0t3: habla con "cprov" en cinco horas, por favor. [08:29] jblack pra mim voltar daqui 5 horas? [08:29] c0i0t3, Os povos brazilian estaro aqui logo, em aproximadamente trs ou quatro horas [08:30] c0i0t3, si [08:30] cprov es do brazilia [08:30] cprov, salgado ou kiko [08:30] carlos certo.. obrigado em brother =] [08:30] c0i0t3, obrigado [08:30] carlos vc fala portugues? [08:30] I hope I get points for trying. :) [08:31] c0i0t3: try #ubuntu-br or #ubuntu-pt [08:31] c0i0t3, No., pesaroso, somente espanhol [08:31] carlos blz.. valeu =] [08:31] jamesh obrigado =] [08:32] c0i0t3, Eu estou usando Google traduzir:-P [08:32] carlos a t... risos... [08:33] carlos mais voc no poderia me ajudar aqui ento no ? [08:34] ele um bocado difcil traduzindo tudo., poderia voc tentar # ubuntu-Br? [08:35] carlos beleza ento =] .. valeu [08:35] jblack: lol === jamesh wonders if there is a translate.google.com plugin for xchat [08:39] translate.google.com just let's me in the search form, do they also offer a bable fish service like vista does? [08:41] sivang: http://www.google.com/language_tools or http://translate.google.com/translate_t [08:43] wow [08:43] nice === sivang wonders how such services work. [08:43] although I can't really check if it's a "good" translation, and not a word-to-word [08:44] sivang, I was using that page to "speak" portuguese [08:44] sivang, it's not word-to-word [08:44] sivang, but is not perfect either [08:45] at least Spanish <-> English [08:45] Manh boa a todos os brazillians nesta canaleta! Eu quero saber se voc puder me compreender. [08:45] :) [08:46] carlos: I wonder if it does portugeese any better :) [08:46] sivang, no idea, you should ask celso, salgado or kiko [08:46] or any other brazilian ;-) [08:49] spiv, "Adds an option to test.py to stop running tests after the first failure." <- Thank you!! [08:49] carlos: I wonder if it does portuguese portuguese or brazillian portuguese? [08:50] jamesh, I suppose it's portuguese portuguese [08:50] the brazilian one usually is noted as brazilian... [08:52] I think there are more speakers of the brazilian variant though === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has joined #launchpad [08:54] jamesh, right === gml [i=gml@dyn-83-156-5-56.ppp.tiscali.fr] has joined #launchpad [09:12] carlos@aragorn:~/Work/Canonical/TranslationUploads$ bzr merge ../archive/launchpad-upstream/launchpad/ [09:12] bzr: ERROR: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 24: ordinal not in range(128) [09:12] at /usr/lib/python2.4/codecs.py line 178 [09:12] in write [09:12] lifeless, ? [09:24] any bzr expert? [09:25] carlos: does the .bzr.log file give any indication of the problem? === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #launchpad [09:27] jamesh, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileyhHGuf.html [09:29] I think the problem comes from my previous merge into rocketfuel [09:30] bzr is not able to handle the non ascii chars in my surname when merging it into rocketfuel... [09:30] is the only guess I can do there... [09:31] I'm not sure [09:48] SteveA, lifeless: Am I going to break anyone/anything if I need to start my leave next week instead of the 12th? [10:00] spiv: ping [10:00] SteveA: pong === GoRoDeK [n=gorodek@p5083F292.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad === jbailey__ [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [10:01] hello spiv. how's the supermirror work going? [10:04] Alright, if a slowly. I feel like I've got momentum again, though. [10:04] can we spend a while talking about it in detail? [10:04] Sure. [10:04] do you have skype set up? [10:05] No. I haven't tried sound of any sort on this PC yet, actually. [10:06] okay, let's have a phone call. [10:06] Ok. My land line is best. [10:17] Is there a skype package for Ubuntu anywhere? [10:19] stub: would it be hard (or a bad idea) to make the mailer in production behave like the one used in testing ( or vice versa)? currently in production, emails are sent immediately, while in testing only when the transaction is commited. [10:19] emails are only sent when the transaction is committed [10:19] on both production and staging [10:20] stub: let me fetch you a link. You better use the one statically linked and shiped with the required qt libs [10:23] stub: fine by me [10:23] stub: it doesn't seem like that. if something goes wrong in the email ui, an email is sent, but no comment is added to the bug. (the comment gets added to the bug -> an event gets fired off sending the email -> the transaction is aborted) [10:23] lifeless: Ta. I should have everything confirmed tomorrow (damn visas!) [10:24] stub: maybe there's something wrong in my code, though, i'll check again [10:26] stub: http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-static , that's not a deb package, but a statically compiled binary. but unless you want to do some hand dependency resolution, that's the best approach I think [10:26] BjornT: In theory, the only way of sending an email from a transaction that is later aborted is to bypass the Z3 mail api and use smtplib or similar directly. If that is not the case, it would indicate a Z3 bug. [10:27] sivang: Ta [10:28] BjornT: w.r.t. the bugzilla-import branch, I think I will go the route of disabling the event subscribers as the short term solution [10:28] BjornT: while making the script run as a real Launchpad user would get rid of the exceptions, it would also result in a lot of email being generated ... [10:29] stub: just thought of something, this is when using initZopeless. should i still expect emails to be sent only on transaction commits? [10:29] BjornT: initZopeless sends emails immediately [10:30] jamesh: does it matter that they would be generated, if you change the config option, so that emails won't get sent? [10:30] BjornT: The Z3 apis aren't available, so it talks smtplib directly instead (it should all be in the docstrings) [10:30] BjornT: maybe that's the best solution then. [10:30] kiko-zzz: too late! [10:30] I was sleeping [10:31] lifeless: ping [10:32] lifeless: can you come onto #canonical-meeting for a chat with me and spiv? [10:32] stub: if the script uses execute_zcml_for_scripts, won't the z3 api be available? [10:33] stub: if not, can you think of an easy way of getting the same behaviour as initZopeless, in my tests? [10:33] BjornT: No - it might be an easy fix, but I don't think anyone has looked at wiring it up [10:35] hmm, this looks like something i can talk about... [10:37] SteveA: yesterday I was looking for you in case you wanted to have a read of my mail to the list [10:37] carlos gave me his ok [10:37] jordi: i will read it soon [10:38] stub: is there anything i need to help out with to do with email / init_zopeless etc. ? [10:40] SteveA: You can do it if you have time - I haven't looked into it and am not that familiar with the ZCML machinery. There is a chance it is already working if the relevant ZCML directives are added! [10:41] Refactoring lib/canonical/mail to use it though will require thought - some of the zopeless stuff will be relying on the existing behavior (rosetta export failed etc.) [10:41] elmo, is there any problem with the mailing lists? [10:41] elmo, I sent an email about an hour ago and I don't see it in the mailing list [10:42] elmo, my logs say that your server accepted the email [10:42] carlos : I can check for you. From address? [10:42] Znarl, carlos.perello@canonical.com [10:42] Znarl, to launchpad@lists.canonical.com [10:42] Znarl, thanks [10:42] stub: what do you want the zcml to do? [10:44] SteveA: The existing directives are enough - it just needs to be made to work in the Zopeless environment. I suppose first thing to test is if it is already working. [10:45] in the zopeless environment, we exclude browser:... directives [10:45] and load zcml, starting at the script.zcml file [10:47] These are mail: directives [10:47] package-includes/mail*.zcml [10:48] i don't think we use package-includes for scripts [10:48] if not, they should be included directly in script.zcml [10:49] SteveA: hey so.. [10:50] I've been thinking about overall test suite speed [10:50] we talked last week about more focused testing [10:51] with cheaper objects as the surrounding infrastructure. [10:51] yes [10:51] i.e. an in memory db like zodb rather than the full mccoy for when we are testing the web presentation layer [10:51] but, the need to retain the "intuitiveness" that we have with full-system testing [10:52] right [10:52] and also [10:52] maybe not zodb, maybe sqlite or something [10:52] we dont want to test with one implementation and then run with another with no way to validate that they both actually implement the interface [10:52] $fasterdb [10:53] lifeless, hi [10:53] lifeless, do you have sometime to help me with a bzr problem? [10:53] carlos: not right now - in a discussion with SteveA [10:53] have you tried getting help on #bzr ? [10:53] lifeless, yes, no answers [10:53] ok, will come back to you after this meeting and th next [10:53] lifeless, please, ping me when you finish, ok? [10:54] lifeless, thank you [10:55] SteveA: so it seems to me that a prerequisite to being able to do that is being able to fully validate implementations [10:55] which reduces/removes that risk [10:56] it may also make it more clear and intuitive to people that we are testing $layer if we have explicit areas for tests for each layer. [10:56] so I'm thinking that the following may be very useful in bringing us towards this goal: === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad [10:58] A TestWithInterface (or similar name) that takes: a group of interfaces that are logically grouped; a list of groups of classes where each group implements that set of interfaces [10:58] a test case that tests the group. [10:59] and a test case to run with whichever group is the one use as a fast implementation [10:59] this class would: [10:59] make a deep copy of the test case that tests the group [10:59] run the resulting copies against one set of implementors [11:00] then with the nominated 'fast' implementation run the other provided test case. [11:00] --- === ddaa [n=ddaa@nor75-18-82-241-238-155.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad [11:01] lifeless: i get some of the idea, and i like the sound of it. i'd like to talk this over with you using voice sometime. [11:01] we should talk supermirror sftp now, though [11:01] sure [11:05] stub: Ta is like "thanks" ? [11:07] sivang: Yes [11:08] oh :) [11:09] carlos : I found your email. You'll see it appear shortly on the list. [11:09] Znarl, what's the problem with it? [11:09] Znarl, thanks [11:10] Small oversight with the migration of the lists hardware I am correcting now. === thisfred [n=thisfred@a80-127-80-154.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #launchpad [11:14] Merge to devel/launchpad: [trivial] Added some plural forms and improved the Rosetta's about page. (2873: Carlos Perell Marn) [11:15] Znarl, ok, cool === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-2.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad [11:20] dilys: yay! [11:20] daf: danke [11:22] nice. [11:25] Merge to devel/launchpad: Fix 5122 https://launchpad.net/products/launchpad/+bug/5122 (System error on validate team email page). r=salgado (2870: Diogo Matsubara, Guilherme Salgado) [11:25] Merge to devel/launchpad: [trivial] fix 3924, 5188 and remove the bugmail footer (2871: Brad Bollenbach) [11:25] Merge to devel/launchpad: [trivial] Tweak sampledata for stress-testing of Rosetta templates; fix 'Make translations more discoverable for unpublished packages' (2874: Matthew Paul Thomas) === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #launchpad [11:29] hi [11:29] can i somehow remove a bug watch? [11:30] erm [11:30] a bug tracker [11:30] the savannah one didn't work out === Keybuk [n=scott@descent.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [11:43] dholbach: not through the web interface [11:44] i see === ajmitch_1 [n=ajmitch@port163-97.ubs.maxnet.co.nz] has joined #launchpad [11:44] jamesh: thanks. who do i have to ask to remove it? [11:44] dholbach: I think stub would be able to === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@195-23-220-2.net.novis.pt] has joined #launchpad [11:44] thanks [11:45] stub: would you be so kind and remove the savannah bugtracker from launchpad - it didn't work out - but take youre time, it's not ultra-urgent [11:50] dholbach: from my reading of the code, you can't add "the savannah bug tracker" [11:50] dholbach: you could add a bug tracker for "project $FOO on savannah" though [11:51] jamesh: which gets quite unwieldy [11:51] as the whole list of bugtrackers shows up any time you want to add a bug watch, afaik [11:52] jamesh: dunno if that's correct, the url is http://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id= for all of them (no matter which project) [11:52] dholbach: we assume that bugtracker urls are project specific [11:53] dholbach: so you don't need to get the three numbers correct to see an item? === jamesh wonders if that works for sf [11:53] dholbach: this is important in the general case [11:53] lifeless: "gnome" is one project? :-p [11:54] dholbach: also we would not want savannah showing up for each and every project [11:54] lifeless: me neither [11:54] carlos: so whats up ? [11:54] dholbach: no, gnome products just setup their own bugtracker reference [11:54] lifeless: that's not what i intended [11:56] lifeless, https://chinstrap.warthogs.hbd.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileyhHGuf.html [11:56] lifeless: keine probleme [11:56] lifeless, jblack just ping me to help me [11:59] dholbach: Done [12:00] SteveA: merci beaucoup === ajmitch_1 is now known as ajmitch__ === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:08] good morning! === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:10] Morning launchpaders! === gneuman [n=gneuman@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === sivang [i=sivan@muse.19inch.net] has joined #launchpad [12:26] SteveA: ping [12:28] morning === cprov [n=cprov@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:30] hi kiko [12:30] lifeless, https://chinstrap.ubuntu.com/~dsilvers/paste/fileJD1cEN.html [12:31] lifeless, have you seen this before? or maybe it's a known problem? === mpt_ [n=mpt@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:31] jamesh: hi, any idea about the glibc error in one of my branches ? [12:32] hello jamesh [12:32] cprov, I think it's the same error BjornT is having, right? [12:32] isn't it a psycopg issue? [12:32] kiko: right [12:32] jordi, I'm awake now [12:32] cprov: no [12:33] kiko: it looks like a pyme issue [12:33] cprov: I can't reproduce it on my x86 laptop either :( [12:33] BjornT: uhm ... could be [12:33] pyme reminds me of why I dropped swig when developing pygtk [12:34] mpt_: late, thanks. I was looking for someone with admin rights [12:34] pyme? interesting. [12:35] hey jordi [12:35] you wanted to talk to me yesterday? [12:35] same thing, I needed an admin to tweak mailman [12:35] what list? [12:35] cprov: just to help narrow things down, you're running Breezy right? [12:35] but luckily it was registered by Registry Administrators, so I could change the ownership to bary [12:36] oh [12:36] (trying to think of what's different between my system and your one) [12:36] jamesh: yes, breezy, security synced, in a pentium M 1.7 [12:36] jordi, I'm a Launchpad admin, if that's enough [12:39] kiko: so it looks like one person has managed to register a sign-only key on Launchpad now [12:40] jamesh, that's awesome -- but shouldn't there be more? [12:41] kiko: I don't know. I haven' [12:41] t seen any new bugs filed about the problem [12:41] $ bzr merge /mondo/archives/rocketfuel/launchpad/prebuilt/ [12:41] bzr: ERROR: exceptions.UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 24: ordinal not in range(128) [12:41] at /usr/lib/python2.4/codecs.py line 178 [12:41] in write [12:41] mpt: I think so, if you can edit product info [12:41] anybody seen this before? [12:41] salgado: carlos has [12:42] carlos, did you manage to workaround it? [12:42] salgado, we had a problem with that a long time ago when we were assuming log messages were ascii, IIRC === Nafallo_away is now known as Nafallo [12:47] salgado, no, talking with lifeless atm [12:47] salgado, we are going to debug it [12:47] jamesh: I had it happen to me [12:48] carlos: I'm going to fob you off onto mpool actually [12:48] carlos: if I can find him [12:48] ok [12:49] lifeless, we have the launchpad meeting in 10 minutes so it's not a big problem if he's not around yet. Anyway, bzr says that the download will take 3 hours... [12:49] it will improve [12:49] hmm, back to 1 hour [12:49] it lies badly [12:50] lifeless, I wanted to talk to him too.. [12:51] kiko: ... can I pass on a message ? [12:52] that I wanted to talk to him :) [12:52] ok [12:52] I suggest mail though ;) [12:52] https://wiki.launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingAgenda <--- now is your last chance to propose new items for the agenda [12:53] workrave now if you need to. meeting in 8 mins [12:53] SteveA, do I just add a new item myself? [12:53] add it to proposed items [12:53] along with your name [12:53] and i'll put it into the agenda when i do the final formatting of it [12:54] there is a section "proposed items" [12:54] welcome to december [12:54] happy mailman day [12:58] ;-) === bradb_ [n=bradb@modemcable033.209-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [12:59] hello bradb_ good morning [12:59] bradb: Thanks for the plan. :) [12:59] I'm here but getting a snack [12:59] hey kiko, jblack [12:59] START OF LAUNCHPAD DEVELOPMENT MEETING [01:00] who's here today? === carlos is here [01:00] me [01:00] me in caps [01:00] me [01:00] me === Kinnison is here [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me === cprov me [01:00] stevea: me or /me? [01:00] me [01:00] heyo [01:00] me [01:01] salgado, wake up cprov/niemeyer [01:01] niemeyer: ? [01:01] they are engrossed in conversation [01:01] me [01:01] me [01:01] me [01:01] jblack: it is easiest for me if everyone says something, rather than emotes something [01:01] :-) [01:01] Cool, we needed more of those. [01:01] kiko: wake up you -> (10:00:17) ***cprov me [01:01] me [01:01] do we have a full house today? [01:01] no apologies? [01:02] no vacation? [01:02] cprov, sorry, emoting is hard to read [01:02] mpool is awol [01:02] mpool? [01:02] stub? [01:02] but not strictly required either [01:02] kiko: np, sorry if I was rude ... === mpool [n=mbp@ozlabs.org] has joined #launchpad [01:02] hi mpool [01:02] mpool! [01:02] hi guys [01:02] the man himself! === beyond [n=beyond@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [01:03] welcome daf. daf will be starting work half time on monday. [01:03] welcome back daf! [01:03] we have a big agenda today [01:03] thanks [01:03] so, i'll be asking everyone to keep things moving [01:03] [01:03] == Agenda == [01:03] * Roll call [01:03] * Agenda [01:03] * Next meeting (discuss changing this, RobertCollins) [01:03] * Activity reports [01:03] * Items from last meeting [01:03] welcome daf [01:03] * Production / staging (stub) [01:03] * Production gina run (stub) [01:03] * QA work for launchpad (RobertCollins) [01:03] * Review team notice (RobertCollins) [01:03] * Bug 3996: Code of conduct security issue (Kiko) [01:03] Malone bug #3996: code of conduct signing procedure forces signer to open themselves up to possible attack In: launchpad (upstream), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/3996 [01:04] * Finalize policy for catching of exceptions (Kiko, Steve) [01:04] * Finalize policy for method naming (Niemeyer, Steve) [01:04] * Bzr work status -- PQM, merge bug, other bugs (RobertCollins) [01:04] * Keep, Bag, Change [01:04] * Three sentences [01:04] [01:04] the next meeting... [01:04] lifeless: asked that it be put at a different time. [01:04] lifeless: ? [01:04] yes [01:04] its currently 11pm [01:04] yes! No more 7 am! [01:04] indeed [01:04] (I'm here, btw, I got distracted by #ubuntu-desktop) [01:04] and thinking is not very effective at this point. [01:04] I am wondering about a ~12 hour shift [01:04] if you want to move it back 1h we're okay but the north americans are not [01:04] if that would work better [01:04] it tends to make me ineffective the next day [01:05] other end of everyones day [01:05] It seems to me that we may need to split the meeting into two parts [01:05] lifeless: I won't have no 1am meeting === mpt is used to 1am meetings [01:05] ddaa: well, a 8 hour shift then - something like that [01:05] +8 hours okay with me === BjornT [n=bjorn@84.32.140.183] has joined #launchpad [01:05] who is furthest east in europe? stevea? [01:05] I'm happy to coordinate given a list of TZ's and see if a better time is available [01:05] aloha [01:05] i have a proposal [01:06] let's not discuss this any more right here [01:06] let's have a wiki page, major headings are proposals of meeting time, day of week, time UTC [01:06] beneath the heading, you may rate it out -1, -0, +0, +1, along with your name [01:07] then, next meeting, or before if you do it quickly, we'll evaluate this [01:07] and choose a time [01:07] sounds good [01:07] lifeless: will you put up this page? [01:07] good [01:07] can everyone please put their TZ there ? [01:07] SteveA: I will do that and mail the list the url. [01:07] ok, thanks lifeless [01:07]