=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:Keybuk] : Ubuntu Development (not support, even with dapper) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Ubuntu 5.10 released: http://www.ubuntu.com/newsitems/release510 | Flight CD 1 released | Dapper getting new kernels, very unstable; don't bother trying to install it. NO, REALLY, DON'T. [12:02] mdke: yeah, that's awesome [12:03] Keybuk: awwww! [12:03] Keybuk: Ping? [12:03] lol [12:03] mjg59: 'sup? [12:04] Keybuk: The stuff about not moving /dev from initramfs to / - what does that actually mean? [12:04] (re initramfs-tools changelog) [12:04] usplash depends on the fifo in /dev being the same in the initramfs and the real rootfs === xTina_ [n=xTina@p54A25613.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] mjg59: read the udev changelog too [12:04] or Kamion's reply === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:05] basically that mount-move thing is in scripts/bottom/udev now which is supplied by udev itself [12:05] elmo: /var/lib/mailman/spool, since it doesn't upgrade quefiles. [12:05] queuefiles, even [12:05] likewise the actual population of it is in scripts/premount/udev [12:05] Mithrandir: dude this is going from one debian revision to another [12:06] Mithrandir: why on earth is the check trigger-ing? [12:06] Keybuk: Ok, so it's just moved to udev? Cool. [12:06] elmo: because it's paranoid. [12:06] mjg59: yeah, will make keeping it up to date muuuch easier [12:06] elmo: I agree that might be a bit over the top, though. [12:06] Mithrandir: ITYM fcuking retarded [12:06] I imagine the evms and lvm and crap will also move to those packages [12:06] it also means load_modules() is just "cat conf/modules | xargs modprobe" type affair [12:06] Mithrandir: do you mind if I file a bug? [12:06] all the udevstart/etc. gubbins is done by udev now [12:06] elmo: please do. [12:07] where can I find the Flight 1 cd? === Kamion disables tomorrow morning's CD builds; no point [12:10] LaserJock: see the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list archives on http://lists.ubuntu.com/ [12:10] LaserJock, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/dapper/flight-1/ [12:11] http://isthis4real.com/orbit.xml open in firefox 1.5 [12:11] SEJeff: cdimage, I knew it was something like that. I just couldn't remember. Thanks [12:11] np === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-083-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdke_ [n=matt@81-178-235-116.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable058.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:05] Keybuk: so the new kernels with the new meta packages are not yet recommended? [01:05] I would say "yu" [01:05] depends [01:05] let me put it this way [01:05] do you like being able to boot? [01:05] tend to prefer it [01:05] Keybuk, ! [01:06] then not just yet [01:06] i cant boot :/ [01:06] anything i can collect for you ? [01:06] ogra: module-init-tools FTBFS'd :-P [01:06] muaaah, can't find any gui music player app that really plays anything :( [01:06] argl [01:06] why did i miss this ... [01:07] Just out of curiousity, any rough ETA? [01:07] SEJeff, nope [01:07] Keybuk, udev also complains very loud about missing grepmap.... [01:07] in initramfs that is [01:09] yeah, I just haven't muted that yet [01:09] you can ignore it unless your hard drive is on the input subsystem [01:09] or you're running on an s/390 [01:09] but mum! my ps/2 disk won't wokr! [01:10] hehe [01:10] it just looked scary ... === xkahn [n=xkahn@207-172-69-47.c3-0.nwt-ubr2.sbo-nwt.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] allo xkahn [01:11] hey jdub! [01:11] fancy seeing you in a place like this ;) === anavim is now known as anav1m [01:11] ogra: can you boot your system? :p [01:11] Heh. Yeah. A little unfamiliar. [01:11] <\sh> ah...I just missed jdub in my "ubuntus motu school" announcement... [01:11] Keybuk: packages to be removed... hotplug... wheee :-) [01:11] jdub: \o/ === anavim [n=anavim@nat1.supportsoft.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:12] So I wrote a patch which adds pam_xauth support to pam_modules. [01:12] jdub: I like the fact you ignored the "NO, REALLY, DON'T (upgrade)" :p [01:12] It doesn't enable it... Just makes it possible. [01:12] Keybuk: i just looked at the dist-upgrade -u --purge output :) [01:12] Although I believe it should be enabled by default, I pick my battles. [01:12] Keybuk, nope [01:12] How do I go about getting it in the package? [01:12] it doesnt load ide-generic in initramfs === timbyr [n=timbyr@nat-pool-brisbane.redhat.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:13] xkahn: you could file a bug on the package, and perhaps raise it on ubuntu-devel if you think it's something that should 'just work' [01:14] Okay. So file a bug with the patch enabling it... [01:14] And then start a flame war ont eh mailing lists. [01:14] Got it. ;) [01:14] :) [01:15] ogra: yeah, yeah, I know the bug now :p [01:17] interesting, looks like I don't have modules for my soundcard anymore [01:18] Well, I'll have to do it later tonight. [01:18] I've got a book reading to attend. [01:20] infinity: wigga-wigga-wha--? UP/SMP unified kernels? [01:20] xkahn: ciao, nice to see you around these parts [01:22] jdub, fresh fridge material: http://www.tecspy.com/blogs/loveslugradio/2005/11/30#051131-episode3 [01:22] make sure you have nothing in your mouth before clicking :) [01:22] bah [01:22] can't click atm [01:23] no gui nearby? [01:23] would have to go back to the table [01:23] it's worth it :) [01:23] severe lack of synaptics driver for X ;-) [01:23] hmmm [01:23] hehe [01:23] what do i do with apps that have compile options like --with-hotplug-scripts-dir= nowadays ? [01:24] <\sh> dum dum de dum dum *ubuntu* [01:24] I actually spilled some coke when reading that [01:24] Seveas: Awesome [01:24] ogra: fix them [01:24] heh [01:24] jdub: modprobe mousedev [01:24] lol@keybuk :) [01:24] mjg59: nup [01:24] (if you're on 2.6.15) [01:24] mjg59: on 2.6.14 with upgraded X *sans* all xserver-xorg packages [01:24] Keybuk, hmm, how ? if they expect scripts we dont support anymore ... are there replacements for all scripts ? [01:25] jdub: Oh, fun [01:25] jdub : Yes, on i386, the "non-smp" kernels are actually SMP kernels thsat dynamically turn all the SMP locks into no-ops on boot if a UP system is detected. [01:25] mjg59: because all the drivers moved around, and didn't have l-r-m yet (this lappy needs ati and atheros drivers) [01:25] infinity: elite! [01:25] jdub : I think the word you wanted was "scary". [01:26] that's the australian spelling === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-76-54.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:27] lol [01:27] Seveas: that's fucking brilliant [01:27] jdub, I KNOW :) [01:28] <\sh> well...to substitute "scary" with the name of an old "Sinclair ZX Spectrum Game" named "Elite"...I knew the German language missed something.... [01:28] btw: http://www.ubuntulinux.nl/quotes?minid=39 [01:29] \sh, elite !! i spend a year or so with it :) [01:29] <\sh> ogra: only one year? [01:29] <\sh> there is even a java emulator applet of a zx spectrum running "elite" [01:30] <\sh> that is scary^Welite! [01:32] ogra: no, there are no replacements in the traditional sense [01:32] thats what i thought [01:33] <\sh> as I said...I missed jdub in my announcement: topic for jdub: "The Secrets of Australian English, or how to make people happy, even if everything just breaking apart..." (Should be Topic No. 1 in our MOTU School) [01:33] i'll find out if the new kino really need them [01:33] *needs [01:35] <\sh> wow...0:30 UTC...time to sleep because todays morning I have to send some CVs to some companies [01:35] gn8 \sh === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] \sh, "have to" ?? [01:37] <\sh> ogra: well...yes..we had yesterday a meeting with colin Buechner... [01:37] and ? [01:37] are you on the list for te next mass firing ? [01:37] <\sh> ogra: first question: "Who are you, how long are you working for this company?" [01:37] <\sh> (implied the rhethorical non asked question: how expensive will it be, to get rid of you" [01:38] yes, ish gmbh ... [01:38] "20 years" [01:38] "and I've never taken leave, ever" [01:39] <\sh> ogra: jepp..."not long enough in this company, not married, no kid (well...not officially)"...i'm easy [01:40] \sh: you should have told them you where the father of 14 children or something :-) [01:40] <\sh> HrdwrBoB: this guy wasn't even thinking about money 20 years ago...he is a kid of the real existing communism... [01:41] <\sh> HrdwrBoB: he just converted 1989 to capitalism because of the bananas === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D3C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] Seveas: see fridge :) [01:41] howdy jeff === ogra_ grumbles in direction of german telekom === magnon raises a whisky to ogra [01:45] magnon, i would so love to ... but no whisky around :/ === \sh will drop the connection now...to dream about a good way to get the money of his life insurance, without being murdered.... [01:45] /var/lib/dpkg/info/udev.postinst: line 144: /usr/share/update-notifier/notify-reboot-required: No such file or directory [01:45] dpkg: error processing udev (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 [01:45] Keybuk: known? [01:45] yes [01:45] k [01:46] you brave, brave, brave man [01:46] so, err, don't reboot [01:46] it's a chroot [01:46] ahh === infinity doesn't have udev in his chroots. [01:46] speaking of dont reboot [01:46] my new kernel doesnt see /dev/hda1 :/ [01:46] Which kinda solves that problem. :) [01:46] it's a porting chroot, what do I care [01:47] tseng: see topic (the bit about don't reboot) [01:47] and the bit about not installing it [01:47] tseng : You didn't need it anyway. (Or, if I nuderstand correctly, wait for the new module-init-tools to build, upgrade, update-initramfs -u, reboot) [01:47] yeah how about that. [01:47] good thing i have 3 pcs in this room [01:47] WHEN PATCH SYSTEMS ATTACK === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:48] slomo, still awake ? [01:49] ah, he said good night in -motu already :/ === Nafallo has updated packages for amd64 in his "main-stuff"-repo :-) [01:50] Treenaks, here ? [01:51] is anyone here a kino user ? i'm looking for testers ... === anavim [n=anavim@nat1.supportsoft.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:52] oh, it crashed ... ... ... [01:53] this was sort of frustrating [01:54] to get even some sound out, I needed to load modules manually (and guessing what I need) [01:54] :p [01:58] mdz: it was good [02:00] mdz: I'm doing up a strawman smipler interface for the test runner, so that things like lintian/existing package tests can all report in, and the new metadata based virtualisation runner etc reports via that [02:01] mdz: thats based on the subunit protocol === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-158-143.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wjb [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === yi [i=yi@rollright.bmsc.washington.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [i=stub@sweep.bur.st] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:20] right [02:21] everyone's machines boot again [02:21] so I'm going to bed :p === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] so I'm bouncy enough to deal with the 100 other problems everyone will have found by morning [02:22] Keybuk: Do I need to manually run update-initramfs -u, or did the package do that for me? [02:23] you'll need to for module-init-tools [02:23] it doesn't put itself into initramfs, it gets press-ganged in, so it didn't seem right to update it there [02:23] elmo: please sync libcoyotl from unstable, ubuntu override ok. thx. [02:23] udev updates it (and there's a -4 on the way in that fixes cosmetic problems) [02:23] I guess having modules loaded at boot is kind of important [02:24] Thanks [02:24] Keybuk: yeah, people were complaining on the forums about not booting - you'd think they'd learn that dapper will break :) [02:24] my laptop boots :) [02:25] but then it had a version of module-init-tools from before the patch system from hell reverted the patch from the source package and gave me something *else* to upload [02:26] Keybuk: *grin* :-) === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:28] elmo: if you haven't synced libcoyotl yet, please don't do it yet... I test-built the wrong version :(... sorry for the inconveniece === Nafallo goes to bed [02:29] sistpoty: sst [02:29] sistpoty: too late it's already done [02:30] elmo: ok, thx... then I'll at least check the harm (if any) that I've done :/ [02:30] oh, except I managed to misparse your nick as slomo. so he gets the blame on dapper-changes ;-) [02:30] slomo: sorry about that === xhaker is now known as SKK|xhaker [02:34] elmo: phew... I did build the right version, so nothing bad there... sorry, was a little confused. maybe I should go to bed now ;) === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-213-64.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:36] sabdfl in ubuntuforums is really Mark ? [02:37] who else would it be? [02:37] an IMPOSTER [02:37] treason! :P [02:37] i mean [02:38] by the sound of this post doesn't seem it is Mark :S http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=517266&postcount=1 [02:38] infinity: it looks like l-r-m changed its default rc.d sequence number, but didn't migrate the existing links? [02:40] so... is that really Mark? i mean, gtkwifi is coded by myself now and he seems to want to know about it [02:42] mdz : The link migration should have worked, unless I dropped that change by accident in the final upload... [02:42] SKK|xhaker: the posts from that account generally sound like him [02:43] infinity: my link is still at S15, and I didn't see anything in the maintainer scripts [02:43] Which it looks like I did... [02:43] Go me. [02:43] Oh, feh. I probably forgot to remove lrm-common.postinst from the clean target. :) [02:43] in fact I don't see update-rc.d being called at all [02:44] The code WAS there. :) [02:44] hehe [02:44] Thanks for the catch. [02:44] I'l fix it when we do the ABI bump later today. [02:44] (Which should be in an hour or two) [02:46] Oh, *cough* [02:46] rm -f debian/linux-restricted-modules-*.postinst [02:46] La la la. [02:46] Oddly enough, * matches "common". === infinity changes SHELL=/bin/sh to SHELL=/bin/dwimsh === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lamont [n=lamont@mix.mmjgroup.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] infinity: don't forget to put /bin/dwimsh in Debian too, or you'll have yet another Debian vs Ubuntu flame ;-) === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ikuyaLoqu [n=ikuya@gnulinux.good-day.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] cool, booting really feels faster ... === jdon1 [n=jdong@24.192.2.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:19] is Diziet or some other Firefox guy around right now? [03:19] jdon1, 3am around here ... unlikely [03:20] oh, hehe [03:20] I'll bugzilla it then [03:20] an upstream/trunk bugfix to 1.5 that would be valuable [03:20] it actually might be 2am for him... but still :) === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:22] slomo, is this really you ? or just a reconnect ? [03:23] if he isnt asleep by now he should be === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:24] hi tseng [03:24] i'm just poking at kino 0.8.0 .... [03:24] ogra: not asleep yet? [03:24] nope [03:24] hi ajmitch [03:24] just building a new power-manager :) === MasterAkux [n=David@64.237.184.133] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:29] geez why are people so friggin impatient about Firefox 1.5? [03:29] what part of "big system change that has a large ripple effect" do they not comprehend? [03:29] because it's new & shiny [03:29] :) [03:30] well, then again, Breezy 1.0.7 was a bummer.... [03:30] 1.0.7 doesnt break a dozen major apps [03:31] no it doesn't, but it does render remarkably slowly compared to other Firefoxes [03:31] something about the 25K lines of patches applied by Ubuntu :) [03:31] either way, the current Dapper FF 1.5 sources are still too unstable for backporting [03:31] infinity: did you find out if there was anything to those rumours about php in breezy? [03:31] wow, where did the other 10k come from ? [03:32] geez, so I missed by 10K or so... when has that ever harmed anyone ;) [03:33] hmm, so it breaks Flash in everything but Firefox itself... just wonderful [03:34] that's starting to sound like a Windows tactic *grin* [03:35] ooh, never mind, Java breaks [03:35] that figures [03:39] blackdown Java is broken by FF 1.5... [03:39] would recompiling it fix the problem, or is it something more serious than that? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MasterAkux is now known as akurashy === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-0-140-61.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] Not that unstable. ;) [03:47] initrd is broken though [03:47] Looks like md and lvm and evms are all not playing nice again. === backports-r-us [n=jdong@24.192.2.190] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:51] ha, nice nick [03:51] lol [03:51] sabdfl called me that in a meeting, and it's stuck on as an alternate :) [03:52] mdz : Both php4 and php5 in breezy work fantastically for me (and many others), so I think I'm going to have to mail that user directly and ask him to explain in more detail what exactly is going on. [03:54] infinity: i use php5 in breezy very heavily [03:54] no problems [03:54] 10,000 lines of code later [03:55] mdz : Of course, the problems seen "in the sefver forums" could be due to the fact that people are referring each other to broken howto docs. :/ [03:56] infinity: thanks, let me know what they say [03:56] what was the php rumour? the only issues I've heard are missing php5 modules === ajmitch got to curse & swear at php-imap again today [03:57] mdz : I'll have to spend some time perusing the forums, but the biggest issues look like "the blind leading the blind" which is leading to more confusion. I'll try to clear some of it up in a bit. [03:57] ajmitch : php-imap is pure evil. And I should know. [03:58] ajmitch : jbailey promised acouple of years ago to rewrite it using mailutils instead of libc-cleint. Remind him. :) [03:58] infinity: blind leading blind? [03:58] yes, if I remind him about it, he'll just tell me to do it [03:58] and I'm sorely tempted these days [03:59] lol weird nick [03:59] backports-r-us : People leading each other around in circles to diagnose prpoblems that aren't there, while giving advice on how to install things that could work, during the right moon phase, but probably won't. [03:59] infinity: :-/, I roughly know what you're talking about... [03:59] mdz / backports-r-us : Anyhow, I'll try to dig a bit, summarise, propose some changes for the ubuntuguide people, etc. [04:00] infinity: yeah, there's some changes I wanna propose to the guide too, like say GET RID OF MIRROMAX ALREADY === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:00] apparently the guy running the guide is in some kind of medical trouble [04:00] backports-r-us : It's the other side of the double-edged sword that is a large anf friendly community. Everyone thiks they're an expert, and everyone wants to help. Even when some shouldn't. :/ [04:00] and there he is now, hi jbailey :) [04:00] backports-r-us : Easy enough to rememdy once the bad advice has been spotted. [04:01] infinity: in any community that encourages the "everyone help each other" attitude, that's bound to happen [04:01] ajmitch: yoyosup? [04:01] backports-r-us : Yup, and in general, I like the community aspect. Except when I don't. :) [04:01] infinity: we try hard to minimize the probability of bad information damaging others... When it doesn't happen, it need to be brought to our attention. Thanks for doing so [04:01] jbailey: just cursing php-imap & how it should be rewritten [04:01] Ah, right. =) [04:02] In the future, please contact a forum admin with any of these kinds of gripes... we need to know about it [04:04] ajmitch: I'm not sure whether "rewrite php4-imap" is above or below "finish the Hurd" on my task list, honestly. [04:04] jbailey: I think more people would love you if you rewrote php-imap [04:05] finishing the hurd would probably finish you [04:05] ajmitch: I hack glibc for a hobby and for work. What makes you think I need love? [04:05] you're right [04:05] besides, you've got angie :) [04:05] True ;) === wasabi [n=wasabi@c-24-0-140-61.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:06] Cool. [04:06] Linux kyoto 2.6.15-5-k7 #1 SMP Tue Nov 29 08:27:28 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux === SKK|xhaker is now known as xhaker === wjb [n=Miranda@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:28] mdz, :/ no luck with the new kernel/udev/module-init-tools on ltsp clients ... cant load the netcard driver it seems === freeflying [n=freeflyi@tor/session/x-58bbdc03e57655ae] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:29] infinity, is there anything new about nfsroot booting in initramfs ? === wjb [n=Miranda@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:32] ogra any luck with that initramfs in edubuntu? [04:32] nope === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] i seem to have that /dev/hda not found too [04:33] that what i was just saying above [04:33] thats already fixed === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] what fixed it? [04:33] update your system [04:33] i can't [04:33] it doesn't boot :P [04:33] module-init-tools [04:33] use a livecd [04:33] it's part of the dapper experience [04:34] knowing how to recover a screwed up system :) [04:34] chroot into the insstalled system? [04:34] my solution: a vmware player image [04:34] yes [04:34] chroot to the disk and update ... run dpkg-reconfigure for the linux-image package you use to recreate the initramfs ... [04:34] it never boots, it reloads from a snapshot :D [04:34] :P [04:34] Amaranth: some of us are daring & run dapper on real hardware [04:35] ajmitch: I could think of a few good words to replace "daring" there. ;) [04:35] the funny thing is module-init-tools were updated today when i found out -Q patch was missing.. and now i got ****ed by it [04:35] lol [04:35] Amaranth: 'developers', perhaps? [04:35] ajmitch: Yeah, that must be it. :D [04:36] hehe [04:36] well [04:36] of i go :P [04:37] well [04:37] erp. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@tor/session/x-28f94827f867ffb0] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:38] yay, linux source 6.8 :) [04:38] ogra: In the future, does the source have a stable module ABI? [04:38] err, not source [04:38] kernel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] Amaranth, i'm not the kernel guy... ask #ubuntu-kernel [04:39] ogra: Joke Terminated. [04:40] sorry its 4:40am and i just broke my ltsp setup ... [04:40] Amaranth: you sound like the Japanese OSDL. Next you're going to ask for the kernel be relicensed so that proprietary drivers are actually "ok" [04:40] not really in the mood for joking ... [04:42] SEJeff: I don't care about proprietary drivers, it'd just be nice to find a driver and install it instead of having to get kernel source and build it. === wjb [n=Miranda@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:46] ogra: did you try to track down the problem with thin clients and the new boot stuff? [04:46] mdz, i just broke it ... [04:47] mdz, i get a kernel panic directly after the kernel is uncompressed with "cant open /tmp/net-eth0.conf" [04:48] ogra: what's before that? === OgMaciel [n=chatzill@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:51] looks like the module loading doesnt work right in initramfs ... [04:51] i'll ask Keybuk tomorrow [04:51] SOICGIFINDEX: No such device [04:51] and ipconfig: no devices to configure [04:52] smurf: excuse me, can I pvt you for a minute? [04:52] OgMaciel, i doubt he's awake, 5am here [04:53] ogra: ohh... thanks... and where is "here" for you guys? [04:53] germany [04:53] ohh [04:53] ogra: I'll try again much later... 'nite === grayman [n=grayman@85-65-194-114.barak-online.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TreeStump [n=none@ppp170-212.lns1.per1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:56] hi === jlj [n=agp@207.67.194.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:57] i think theres a problem with the Ubuntu 5.1 installer === cshields [n=cshields@osuosl/staff/cshields] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:01] ? [05:01] TreeStump: #ubuntu would be a better place to ask, I think. [05:01] jdub: ping (you back from your trip yet?) [05:02] ok sorry [05:02] they recommended me here === jbailey_ [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:03] TreeStump: If you've identified the problem and are sure it's not due to a bad burn file a bug in bugzilla, please. [05:06] jdub: I take that as a negative. will ping you later, thx === ivoks [n=ivoks@161.53.50.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@161.53.50.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:09] its just that i dont think its a bug just i dont think i have the option to use hardware RAID but only software or nothing, which stops me from installing === OgMaciel [n=chatzill@ubuntu/member/gnukemist] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [05:17] TreeStump : It's not up to the installer to setup hardware RAID, it would be up to your RAID controller. (ie: You'd set it up before you installed an OS) [05:18] mdz, going through initramfs manually and loading 8139too instead of the ide drivers makes it work ... there is something missing in the premount part of initramfs [05:18] ive already setup the hardware RAID but the installer will not recognize it === joko_ono [n=ivoks@lns01-0051.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === joko_ono is now known as ivoks [05:21] TreeStump : What sort of hardware RAID?... [05:22] TreeStump : If I had to guess, I'd say you're using some intel/via/promise "pseudo-RAID" that isn't actually hardware RAID at all, but requires software support to work. [05:22] TreeStump : In which case, we have packages (dmraid) that can help make that go, but we don't (yet) support that in the installer. [05:24] ok so i have to wait for my promise RAID to be supported in the installer? [05:26] TreeStump: Promise doesn't make the best RAID controllers. 3Ware RAID controllers probably have the best Linux support [05:26] TreeStump: And they have great OSS userspace tools to manage their controllers [05:27] 3ware is ok [05:27] but dont get latest controler [05:28] it will be supported in dapper, but it isn't in breezy [05:28] TreeStump: I'm not trying to say Promise sucks, but I've heard mostly bad reports about Promise and Linux / BSD in general [05:28] SEJeff: ? [05:29] ok so what if i change to Silicon image? [05:29] i can tell you only best about 3ware [05:29] TreeStump: I'm just speaking from personal experience and what my collegues tell me. I've never used Silicon Image [05:30] I'm disappointed in my 3ware hw. [05:30] It's slow on Linux. [05:30] because my board has that on it too [05:30] are we talking about IDE, SATA or SCSI controllers? :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@tor/session/x-88311d52f80ec38b] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MasterAkux [n=David@64.237.176.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:39] ogra: tell Keybuk what you find [05:40] mdz, see 20331 ;) [05:40] anyone with sata running 2.6.15 yet? [05:41] I am. === MasterAkux is now known as akurashy [05:42] hum. === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:44] mdz, in other news the xorg autodetection didnt work either ... but thats something for tomorrow, 6am, bed time :) [05:45] night :) [05:45] night all :) [05:46] crimsun; did you have to manually tweak your initramfs modules config? [05:46] desrt: nope [05:46] odd. [05:46] well. brb, i hope. === jinty [n=jinty@205.134.224.215] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Diablo-D3 [i=diablod3@pool-71-241-202-39.port.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:04] heh [06:04] udev replaces and conflicts hotplug now? why? [06:05] because udev replaces hotplug? 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