| sistpoty | rave_: cool logos :) | 12:03 |
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| lucas | rave_: you can temporarly write this down on your own wiki page | 12:05 |
| lucas | and move it elsewhere later | 12:05 |
| rave_ | sistpoty thanks thanks :) | 12:08 |
| rave_ | i will add some more and fix the typeo`s | 12:08 |
| rave_ | from ununtu to ubuntu lol | 12:09 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 12:09 |
| sistpoty | rave_: I personally like the first best | 12:09 |
| sistpoty | but the others are cool as well | 12:09 |
| rave_ | logo1 ? | 12:09 |
| sistpoty | yep | 12:09 |
| rave_ | :D hehe that one has no typo | 12:09 |
| rave_ | it would be cool if one officilial logo comes from that | 12:10 |
| rave_ | @ the same time it could start a compatition on the site | 12:10 |
| siretart | ok folks, /me goes to bed | 12:12 |
| siretart | sistpoty: we see us tomorrow, 1400, yes? | 12:13 |
| sistpoty | siretart: yes, we do | 12:13 |
| sistpoty | gn8 siretart | 12:13 |
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| rave_ | sleep well | 12:14 |
| Kyral | Icon made | 12:16 |
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| Kyral | how important is a watchfile for a package? | 12:16 |
| ogra | Kyral, you should always use it if you can ... (for new packages) | 12:17 |
| Kyral | gah | 12:17 |
| lucas | if I would like a package to be removed from the archive | 12:17 |
| ogra | its trivial to add he upstream url ... | 12:17 |
| lucas | who should I assign the bug to ? | 12:17 |
| Kyral | and do I really have to make all those translations in the Desktop file? | 12:17 |
| ogra | nope | 12:18 |
| Kyral | Thank GOD | 12:18 |
| Kyral | lol | 12:18 |
| ogra | but submit your package to rosetta :) | 12:18 |
| sistpoty | lucas: elmo handles that... what do you want removed? | 12:18 |
| Kyral | I was gonna run it through Babelfish | 12:18 |
| Kyral | lol | 12:18 |
| minghua | the translations in the .desktop file are supposed to come from .po's | 12:18 |
| Kyral | okay | 12:18 |
| ogra | minghua, not really | 12:18 |
| lucas | I was just curious | 12:18 |
| Kyral | so just put the one in my native language (english) | 12:18 |
| lucas | it was about libao-ruby, but I'm still not sure about it | 12:19 |
| sistpoty | lucas: is it removed in debian? | 12:19 |
| minghua | ogra: yeah I know what you mean, but there are tools that extract translations from .po's to make a .desktop, and people should use that instead of making translators translate the .desktop separately. am I correct? | 12:19 |
| Kyral | and I pop this thing in the debian dir if its not native to the source right? | 12:20 |
| lucas | sistpoty: it never got in | 12:20 |
| sistpoty | lucas: ah | 12:20 |
| lucas | the guy looked for a sponsor but didn't try very hard | 12:20 |
| ogra | minghua, yes ... i was wrong ... i was referring to language packs | 12:21 |
| ogra | .desktop files are not contained in langpacks | 12:21 |
| ogra | but translations can/should be in the .po file | 12:22 |
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| ogra | so they show up on rosetta | 12:22 |
| cyberix | slomo: I saw GNUnet 0.7.x is in dapper. Thanks, for that. gnunet-gtk 0.7.x going to get there anytime soon? | 12:23 |
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| slomo | cyberix: i have to talk with elmo about it... he told me that it's broken somehow but it works for me... so no idea | 12:25 |
| minghua | ogra: I see. I never really understood this language-pack thing though | 12:25 |
| Kyral | What is a valid Category for a Desktop file? | 12:26 |
| minghua | last time I tried language-pack-zh-cn, it didn't work (although it turned out to be my fault, not ubuntu's) | 12:26 |
| cyberix | slomo: Well, maybe it is fixed in 0.7.0a | 12:27 |
| === Kyral sighs | ||
| cyberix | slomo: Which now seems to have packages in debian too. | 12:27 |
| minghua | Kyral: read http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/0.9/ if you are serious with your .desktop file (e.g. plan to send it upstream) | 12:27 |
| ogra | minghua, i had this page from breezy in mind ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline | 12:28 |
| cyberix | slomo: It was the first 0.7.x bugfix release, fixing aprox. 30 bugs. | 12:29 |
| minghua | ogra: thanks for the link | 12:30 |
| minghua | is there a way in wiki.ubuntu.com to say "I'm interested in the page, make a bookmark for me, but don't send emails on every page update"? | 12:31 |
| slomo | cyberix: i'll talk to him tomorrow... need to go to bed now ;) | 12:32 |
| slomo | gn8 everybody | 12:32 |
| sistpoty | gn8 slomo | 12:32 |
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| cyberix | slomo: Good night | 12:32 |
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| sistpoty | damn, I broke my pbuilder during upgrade :( | 12:33 |
| rave_ | :| | 12:34 |
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| \sh | yay | 12:42 |
| \sh | I just send an announcement about "Ubuntus MOTU School" | 12:42 |
| LaserJock | \sh: to where? | 12:43 |
| \sh | ubuntu-motu ML and ubuntu-devel ML | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | very cool | 12:43 |
| LaserJock | hmm, dapper is acting up on me, bbl | 12:44 |
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| \sh | done for today... | 12:52 |
| sistpoty | hm... if there is a shlibs.local, i guess i need to update this as well for a2c-transition? | 12:57 |
| \sh | c2a ...yes | 12:58 |
| \sh | everything where the packagename appears..so even in rules where the install path is debian/<packagename>/ is | 12:58 |
| sistpoty | because the ones i come across seem kind of outdated (never made the libstdc++ transition), that confuses me a lilttle bit *g* | 12:58 |
| \sh | and don't forget the conflicts/replaces | 12:59 |
| \sh | and be careful with merges which have to be transitioned | 12:59 |
| \sh | and check the list of doko again and again, for the DEBIAN tag...the sometimes a sync is appropriate | 12:59 |
| sistpoty | \sh: sure... i always check on unstable first ;) | 12:59 |
| sistpoty | (and in bts) | 01:00 |
| \sh | sistpoty: well...you can read just now on d-d that the debian maintainer did not read the instructions very carefully :) | 01:00 |
| \sh | (for atlas-cpp, cal3d and another lib) | 01:00 |
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| \sh | it will be another topic for ubuntus motu school :) | 01:03 |
| sistpoty | great idea btw. ;) | 01:03 |
| \sh | hehe...the zulu word for learn for motu: fundela motu | 01:06 |
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| sistpoty | wohoo my pbuilder regenerated magically :) | 01:13 |
| Seveas | http://www.tecspy.com/blogs/loveslugradio/2005/11/30 | 01:19 |
| Seveas | SOOO FUNNYY! | 01:19 |
| \sh | ROTFL | 01:21 |
| \sh | shit...this is wonderful | 01:21 |
| \sh | post it on =devel | 01:21 |
| Seveas | i posted it on sounder already :) | 01:21 |
| \sh | ah well...one of the ML which I don't read :) | 01:22 |
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| ogra | \sh, sounder is very funny ... | 01:32 |
| ogra | (i'm not subscribed but read the archives once a mont)h | 01:32 |
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| Kyral | slomo: ping | 01:46 |
| Kyral | ajmitch: ping | 01:49 |
| ajmitch_ | yes? | 01:50 |
| Kyral | I finished the package :D All the errors you commented on should be fixed now | 01:50 |
| Kyral | 'cept Linda spits out a wierd error | 01:50 |
| ajmitch_ | k | 01:51 |
| === ajmitch_ is trying to fix php-imap issues here | ||
| Kyral | says it cannot find a sutable .mo file | 01:51 |
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| ajmitch_ | blame StevenK | 01:52 |
| ajmitch_ | ;) | 01:52 |
| Kyral | eh? | 01:53 |
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| Kyral | so its harmless? | 01:53 |
| Nafallo | that's one reason not to have linda as a pbuilder hook :-P | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | I think it's harmless, I don't know though | 01:57 |
| Kyral | okay | 01:57 |
| Kyral | then EasyChem has a clean bill of health | 01:57 |
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| raphink | hi :) | 01:58 |
| raphink | anyone to review some package of mine ? :) | 01:58 |
| Kyral | raphink: get in line | 01:58 |
| Kyral | I worked for more than 6 hours today fixing one of mine :P | 01:59 |
| raphink | Kyral: haha | 01:59 |
| raphink | well I have sopme package that have been waiting for quite a time ;) | 01:59 |
| raphink | I worked for about the same time making one ;) | 01:59 |
| raphink | from scratch | 01:59 |
| raphink | had loads of fun :) | 02:00 |
| Kyral | actually I did | 02:00 |
| Kyral | because I learned a shitload :P | 02:00 |
| ajmitch | packages will be reviewed when (or if) motus have time & inclination to do so :) | 02:00 |
| Kyral | yah yah :P | 02:00 |
| raphink | nah | 02:00 |
| raphink | get involved, they say ... | 02:01 |
| raphink | ;) | 02:01 |
| Kyral | 'cept I gave you what? More than 8 hours warning that I would ping you tonight mitch :P | 02:01 |
| ajmitch | and? | 02:01 |
| Kyral | bah ;P | 02:01 |
| ajmitch | warning doesn't mean that I'll have time | 02:01 |
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| Kyral | ah nevermind | 02:01 |
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| Kyral | LJ | 02:02 |
| ajmitch | there are plenty of other packages on REVU that I can look at as well ;) | 02:02 |
| LaserJock | Hi Kyral | 02:04 |
| LaserJock | man, I tried fresh installs of Breezy and Dapper today. Lots of problems. Didn't get much work done ;-) | 02:06 |
| Nafallo | will we have dbus 1.0 in 6.04? | 02:06 |
| ogra | Nafallo, when is ETA ? | 02:06 |
| Nafallo | end of December according to planet gnome :-) | 02:06 |
| Nafallo | dbus 0.60 was just released | 02:07 |
| ajmitch | \sh_away: great mail to -motu :) | 02:07 |
| Nafallo | mail to -motu? what is this? | 02:07 |
| LaserJock | \sh_away: yes, it was good | 02:08 |
| ogra | Nafallo, i think that is to tight to UVF, a new dbus will pull a new transition in | 02:08 |
| ogra | Nafallo, see /topic ;) | 02:08 |
| Nafallo | yes, but dbus 1.0 would be much easier to provide support for in 3 years, since it's the first "stable" :-) | 02:09 |
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| ajmitch | 0.60 is API/ABI stable? | 02:12 |
| Nafallo | nope, but most of the changes to get there are made in 0.60 according to the blogpost :-). | 02:12 |
| === ajmitch thought 0.60 was going to be the last gasp before 1.0 - changes would only be made if really necessary | ||
| ajmitch | " If there are problems with the system we are still open to changes but if all goes well this will be the 1.0 API." | 02:14 |
| ajmitch | ah good :) | 02:14 |
| Nafallo | ah, right | 02:15 |
| Nafallo | so that means we need it so we can see the problems :-P | 02:15 |
| ajmitch | yes | 02:15 |
| Nafallo | oh. daniels is still on leave, no? | 02:16 |
| ogra | i think i saw him joining shortly today | 02:17 |
| ajmitch | I can't recall if he's back this week or next | 02:17 |
| Nafallo | IIRC he's back next week. | 02:17 |
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| ogra | grumble .... | 02:18 |
| ogra | now i have a beautiful kino package that builds and runs fine but segfaults on file open and file save ... | 02:18 |
| ajmitch_ | ah right, I *used* to have a 16-bit display, no wonder I don't see the visual problems now | 02:19 |
| ogra | many lappies have them | 02:19 |
| ogra | but Diablo-D3's reaction was sooo typical ... grmpf .. | 02:20 |
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| ajmitch | ogra: typical for him, yes | 02:21 |
| ogra | yup | 02:21 |
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| tseng | just? | 02:24 |
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| tseng | i gave up when Diablo3 was the first guy to join | 02:24 |
| ajmitch | well he's about the only activity in there now | 02:24 |
| ajmitch | he's not as bad as some people on the forums I see.. | 02:25 |
| Kyral | ..? | 02:25 |
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| ajmitch | just reading some angry people on the 'why does dapper suck?' thread | 02:26 |
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| Kyral | yah there is a reason why I didn't post there | 02:26 |
| Kyral | because I would flame them to hell and back | 02:27 |
| bmonty | hey everyone | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | hey bmonty! | 02:27 |
| sistpoty | hey bmonty... congrats! | 02:27 |
| ajmitch | well done ;) | 02:27 |
| bmonty | sistpoty: on? | 02:27 |
| sistpoty | motu-ship ;) | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | dholbach didn't get hold of you? :) | 02:28 |
| bmonty | ok thanks, but that is news to me :) | 02:28 |
| sistpoty | motu-ness?... whatever welcome to the team | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members | 02:28 |
| ajmitch | you were approved in absentia | 02:28 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach was tasked with hunting you down & congratulating you | 02:29 |
| ajmitch | we managed to do it first :) | 02:29 |
| bmonty | haha...well this is a welcome surprise! | 02:29 |
| ajmitch | now send your key to elmo | 02:29 |
| bmonty | ok | 02:29 |
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| ajmitch | Kyral: a good idea if you're going before the CC | 02:32 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: I won't be there, btw | 02:32 |
| Kyral | I also have to rustle up UbuntuForums people | 02:32 |
| Kyral | this is why I'm pushing for EasyChem | 02:35 |
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| sistpoty | time to regenerate... good night everyone | 02:49 |
| minghua | so sistpoty is really Borg? :-P | 02:50 |
| ajmitch | didn't you know? | 02:51 |
| ajmitch | he's part of the german MOTU collective | 02:51 |
| bmonty | I'm glad there is an ubuntu-motu ML now, I think it was long overdue | 02:58 |
| raphink | can I upload packages I didn't do for sync on REVU? | 02:58 |
| raphink | I mean Debian packages | 02:58 |
| raphink | :s | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | raphink: hm? | 03:01 |
| raphink | hmm | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | bmonty: it was, we kept bugging jdub about it | 03:01 |
| raphink | what's the protocol to get Debian packages synchronized with Ubuntu? | 03:01 |
| ajmitch | get a motu to ask elmo | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | once the package has been checked | 03:02 |
| raphink | hmm ok | 03:02 |
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| raphink | well because I think grubconf would be a good tool to get | 03:02 |
| raphink | it's packaged for Debian unstable | 03:02 |
| raphink | and it builds fine in dapper | 03:02 |
| ajmitch_ | and it's not in dapper? | 03:02 |
| raphink | no | 03:02 |
| Kyral | hmm | 03:03 |
| ajmitch_ | when was it added to unstable? | 03:03 |
| Kyral | ogra would be happy to know that Madwifi DOES work with the new kernel | 03:03 |
| Kyral | but... | 03:03 |
| Kyral | wierd mouse error | 03:03 |
| raphink | http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=grubconf&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all | 03:03 |
| ajmitch_ | grubconf is old in sid.. has 2 RC bugs | 03:03 |
| raphink | it was in warty | 03:03 |
| raphink | but not anymore in hoary or breezy or dapper | 03:03 |
| ajmitch_ | and it was removed for a good reason, I recall now | 03:03 |
| ajmitch_ | eg it would make your system unbootable fairly quickly :) | 03:04 |
| raphink | ah! | 03:04 |
| Kyral | X cannot open /dev/mouse or somesuch | 03:04 |
| raphink | is there any equivalent to it? | 03:04 |
| ajmitch_ | not that I know of | 03:04 |
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| raphink | or something planned, like in portage or so? | 03:04 |
| raphink | because grubconf is pretty useful when it comes to managing splashimages | 03:05 |
| ajmitch_ | anything that ignores the debian-specific comments will trash grub | 03:05 |
| ajmitch_ | so the tool needs to be written specifically for debian & ubuntu | 03:05 |
| raphink | ic | 03:06 |
| raphink | so I wonder what you would think of my postinst tool ;) | 03:07 |
| === ajmitch would not recommend to elmo that grubconf be imported | ||
| === ajmitch has no idea what tool you speak of | ||
| raphink | I mean hehe | 03:08 |
| raphink | I made a package for kubuntu grub splashimages | 03:08 |
| raphink | so I had to write a postinst script to install a splashimage by default | 03:08 |
| raphink | the package is on REVU now | 03:08 |
| raphink | obviously it modifies menu.lst, that's why I wonder what you would think of it ;) | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | and how badly does it destroy /boot/grub/menu.lst ? | 03:09 |
| raphink | it adds two lines in the begining of it : a comment line and a splashimage=etc.. line | 03:09 |
| raphink | then the prerm removes both | 03:09 |
| raphink | specifically | 03:09 |
| ajmitch | does it rewrite anything else in the file? | 03:10 |
| raphink | no | 03:10 |
| raphink | if the splashimage line already exists | 03:10 |
| raphink | it replaces it | 03:10 |
| raphink | so that it's not duplicate | 03:10 |
| ajmitch | hm | 03:10 |
| === ajmitch would have to study it to make sure it wouldn't kill things | ||
| raphink | that's all it does | 03:10 |
| raphink | mhm | 03:10 |
| raphink | :) | 03:11 |
| raphink | http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kubuntu-grub-splashimages-0511301515/kubuntu-grub-splashimages-1.0/debian/kubuntu-grub-splashimages.postinst | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | because you wouldn't find out until the next kernel update or so ;) | 03:11 |
| ajmitch | yes, I was looking at it | 03:11 |
| raphink | ok | 03:11 |
| raphink | :) | 03:11 |
| raphink | initially I was putting the splashimage line in the end of the file | 03:12 |
| raphink | but that doesn't work | 03:12 |
| raphink | it needs to be before the list of OSes | 03:13 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Ping! | 03:13 |
| ajmitch_ | StevenK: hello sir! | 03:14 |
| StevenK | ajmitch_: Hey! You said you had some "issues" about m-a? | 03:14 |
| ajmitch_ | yes, I did | 03:14 |
| ajmitch_ | I understand you were probably just merging, did you check all the changes there? | 03:15 |
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| StevenK | ajmitch_: I believe so. | 03:15 |
| StevenK | I always read the debdiff before adding it to the bug. | 03:15 |
| StevenK | I may have missed something ... | 03:15 |
| StevenK | s/may have/probably/ depending on the time. :-P | 03:16 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I need to check the debdiff against the latest debian version to tell what is good, I think | 03:16 |
| StevenK | I can generate one, if you like. | 03:16 |
| === ajmitch is slowly fetching m-a source now | ||
| raphink | good night | 03:17 |
| ajmitch | looks like my ISP is having connectivity issues anyway | 03:17 |
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| ajmitch | some of my issues are probably debian changes anyway | 03:18 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Can you reach 220.233.5.14? | 03:18 |
| ajmitch | just from a very very quick glance at the debdiff | 03:18 |
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| ajmitch | I can | 03:18 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/module-assistant_0.10.2-d.debdiff | 03:19 |
| ajmitch | much easier to read | 03:20 |
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| ajmitch | ok, now that is looking much better | 03:21 |
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| ajmitch | sorry, my issues are more with the debian changes | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | like stripping the GPL 3 paragraphs from debian/copyright | 03:22 |
| StevenK | Then kill Zomb. :-) | 03:22 |
| Kyral | just a note... | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | unnecessary, imho | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | gladly ;) | 03:22 |
| Kyral | enabling Framebuffer kills Nvidia-GLX dead | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: great! | 03:22 |
| ajmitch | so don't do it ;) | 03:23 |
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| StevenK | ajmitch: I can just not merge that bit? :-P | 03:24 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: sure, but you'd have an extra delta from debian then | 03:25 |
| ajmitch | or you could file a bug in the BTS :) | 03:25 |
| StevenK | Or you could. :-P | 03:26 |
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| ajmitch | I'd also check that the changes for linux-* naming aren't unnecessary now | 03:26 |
| ajmitch | since they should be in 0.9.8 | 03:26 |
| ajmitch | that's the major change that ubuntu was carrying anyway, hopefully it can be dropped & the package synced | 03:28 |
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| ajmitch | seems to be some doc fixes for that anyway | 03:30 |
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| LaserJock | Kyral: what's going on there dude? | 03:38 |
| Kyral | huh? | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | end of the world | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | coming and going | 03:39 |
| Kyral | I had to forcefully disable the Framebuffer | 03:39 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: I can just try building 0.11.2? | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: so are you in dapper right now? | 03:39 |
| Kyral | yah | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: you could, but I think using module-assistant will be a better test | 03:39 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: Take a look at System->Help | 03:39 |
| ajmitch | since building it doesn't stress it too much | 03:40 |
| hub | I have been told that dapper's kernel is broken | 03:40 |
| hub | weird | 03:40 |
| ajmitch | it was | 03:40 |
| ajmitch | keybuk should have got udev fixes in | 03:40 |
| hub | ajmitch: was a few hours ago | 03:40 |
| ajmitch | so I think it's unbroken by now | 03:40 |
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| crimsun | hub: that's not really the kernel, that was udev and module-init-tools | 03:40 |
| ajmitch | keybuk said he'd fixed things a bit over an hour ago | 03:40 |
| Kyral | what abour it? | 03:41 |
| Kyral | I get the XFCE manual :P | 03:41 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: The packaging guide should be there | 03:42 |
| hub | crimsun: it is all related, but ok | 03:42 |
| Kyral | I don't have the GNOME help | 03:42 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: oh, ok | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | fun, another debian GR | 03:43 |
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| Kyral | is udev supposed to be faster than hotplug? | 03:50 |
| ajmitch | probably, I think hotplug is getting dropped | 03:50 |
| LaserJock | yeah, I upgraded this afternoon and hotplug got removed. | 03:51 |
| crimsun | hotplug is the Old World Order | 03:51 |
| Kyral | seems slower | 03:51 |
| Kyral | hey crimsun do you know how to force XFCE's compmgr to start? | 03:52 |
| crimsun | Kyral: sorry, I'm not in front of it, ask in #xfce | 03:54 |
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| Kyral | I think I'll jump to Flux now :D | 03:54 |
| Kyral | brb | 03:54 |
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| Kyral | Okay I'm just trying to put off homework now... | 03:59 |
| ajmitch | sigh, broken syncs | 04:08 |
| ajmitch | caused by broken ubuntu changes | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: like what? | 04:09 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: libpqxx | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | unnecessary rename in breezy | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | so I have to add Conflicts/Replaces to the dapper package | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | which debian does not need | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | since debian did the c2 change without adding the c2 suffix | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | (rightly so) | 04:12 |
| minghua | ajmitch: c++ library but only exports C interface? | 04:13 |
| ajmitch_ | SONAME change | 04:13 |
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| xhaker | ajmitch, yeh.. i always thought renaming the packages is a bit silly | 04:13 |
| ajmitch_ | so there was no earlier package to conflict with | 04:13 |
| ajmitch_ | xhaker: it's not silly at all | 04:14 |
| ajmitch_ | it's required to make sure you don't have randomly crashing apps | 04:14 |
| xhaker | of course | 04:14 |
| xhaker | but there are other ways of tacking | 04:14 |
| xhaker | tracking | 04:14 |
| xhaker | the version i.e: | 04:14 |
| xhaker | could be the +c2 version | 04:14 |
| xhaker | and not change the package name | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | no | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | because existing packages need to 'break' | 04:15 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: I don't quite understand why the c2 version was added to Breezy | 04:15 |
| minghua | xhaker: that won't work | 04:15 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: because the C++ ABI changed | 04:15 |
| xhaker | then a package that depends on the new ABI should depend on the +c2 version | 04:15 |
| xhaker | whats wrong with that? | 04:15 |
| minghua | xhaker: most library dependencies in debian are of (>= $version) form | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | xhaker: because you need to be able to upgrade the library & make sure that packages that use it are upgraded | 04:16 |
| LaserJock | so why was there no c2 in sid, because they didn't have an ABI change? | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | there's not a strict version dependency | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yes they did | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | in *this case*, the SONAME changed anyway | 04:16 |
| ajmitch | so they didn't need to append c2 to force an upgrade | 04:17 |
| xhaker | so how did they handled that? they seem to be fine without he package rename | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | xhaker: the package is renamed | 04:17 |
| xhaker | in debian? | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | but renamed with a new version, rather than the existing version & c2 | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | for the case I'm talking about, yes | 04:17 |
| ajmitch | debian is doing things just the same way we are | 04:18 |
| ajmitch | doko is gcc overlord for both | 04:18 |
| xhaker | anyone running dapper 2.6.15 kernel with todays updates? | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | stupid question, but what does SONAME mean? | 04:18 |
| LaserJock | xhaker: I was but it was a bit broken ;-) | 04:19 |
| minghua | ajmitch: I wonder in this case if you/we can ask the debian maintainer to add a Confilicts/Replaces to -c2 packages in the Debian version | 04:19 |
| Kyral | I think its what libs are names | 04:19 |
| Kyral | .so? | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | minghua: I think I will | 04:19 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: libfoo.so.6 | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: shared object name | 04:19 |
| Amaranth | LaserJock: SONAME change means you start using libfoo.so.7 | 04:19 |
| Amaranth | iirc | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | yep | 04:19 |
| Amaranth | and the package name would change from libfoo6 to libfoo7 | 04:20 |
| Amaranth | so you wouldn't need a c2 | 04:20 |
| LaserJock | ahhh, now I see. So the c2 is only added as needed? | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: yes | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | and we have to do c2a for some packages now | 04:21 |
| ajmitch | due to another libstdc++ change | 04:22 |
| Amaranth | yeah, i forgot why though | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | memory allocator, a rebuild will cause missing symbols | 04:22 |
| ajmitch | so apps need to be rebuilt, libs renamed | 04:22 |
| minghua | LaserJock: yes, adding c2 means two packages with the same libfoo.so.n, but different interface | 04:22 |
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| StevenK | ajmitch: How do you suggest we test m-a? | 04:40 |
| ajmitch | by using it to build some modules | 04:40 |
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| LaserJock | gpib is one I know of | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | since I don't have anything not in the default kernel | 04:41 |
| ogra | i doubt it will be compliant with the new architecture at all... | 04:42 |
| ajmitch | ogra: which is why I'm wary of uploading it as it stands | 04:45 |
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| ogra | yup | 04:45 |
| ajmitch | great, new kernel & glibc at once | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | remind me not to reboot yet :) | 04:46 |
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| Kyral | ajmitch: the kernel is stable | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | I'm sure it is | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | but I like having nvidia drivers | 04:49 |
| Kyral | It is there :P | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | new kernel ABI | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | so drivers will have to be rebuilt | 04:50 |
| Kyral | you just have to sudo modprobe -r nvidiafb && sudo modprobe nvidia | 04:50 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I'll pass | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | I'm lazy | 04:51 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | I like a working system | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | which is why I run dapper | 04:51 |
| Kyral | lol | 04:51 |
| LaserJock | sorry for more stupid questions, what is ABI? | 04:51 |
| Kyral | Something Something Interface | 04:51 |
| jamessan | Application Binary, iirc | 04:51 |
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| LaserJock | jamessan: thanks | 04:52 |
| Kyral | Application Binary Interface | 04:52 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: I have just built/tested 0.10.2 and it works. | 04:56 |
| StevenK | I can't build a module, but that's just due to gcc-3.4 not being installed. | 04:57 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: So, request a sync. | 04:57 |
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| bmonty | good night everyone | 05:29 |
| Kyral | g'night | 05:30 |
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| Trashcan | lol | 05:36 |
| Kyral | ?? | 05:37 |
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| crimsun | 'night, ogra | 05:44 |
| ogra | night | 05:44 |
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| zakame | afternoon :) | 07:27 |
| crimsun | 'afternoon, zakame | 07:40 |
| Kyral | Night all | 07:40 |
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| bojan | morning! | 07:40 |
| zakame | hi bojan , crimsun :) | 07:41 |
| sivang | morning ! | 07:43 |
| crimsun | 'night, chris | 07:43 |
| crimsun | 'morning bojan, sivang | 07:43 |
| sivang | hey crimsun :) | 07:47 |
| sivang | hmm Fuddl seems to be coming for an IPv6 address | 07:47 |
| zakame | hello sivan | 07:48 |
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| sivang | hey zakame , how is it going on the packaging arena? | 07:54 |
| zakame | sivang: here, just received my accepted syncs, now marking them as fixed... my email has been very slow lately :( | 07:55 |
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| zakame | seems that lp hasn't updated the email forwarer yet, mail still goes to chi | 07:56 |
| crimsun | hmm, you might need to ping elmo on that | 07:56 |
| crimsun | not sure, though | 07:56 |
| zakame | I've posted this on #launchpad earlier, but nobody seems to be available atm :( | 07:57 |
| crimsun | not for a few more hours at least | 07:58 |
| crimsun | it's still quite early in the morning GMT | 07:58 |
| zakame | hehe yeah, quite early indeed | 07:58 |
| zakame | anyway I'll just wait, i still do receive the notices from spunge, but its awfully late :( | 07:59 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 08:10 |
| zakame | morning dholbach :) | 08:11 |
| dholbach | hey zakame, fresh motu! :) | 08:12 |
| bojan | hi | 08:12 |
| dholbach | hey bojan :) | 08:12 |
| bojan | hi dholback | 08:13 |
| dholbach | bojan: how is it going? | 08:13 |
| bojan | dholbach: i am reading, reading and reading | 08:14 |
| dholbach | i hope you start trying stuff out soon :) | 08:14 |
| dholbach | the c++ allocator change should be something easy to start with | 08:14 |
| dholbach | bojan: maybe zakame knows a good example, where you could start? | 08:15 |
| bojan | dholbach, yes i am looking at the packages locally | 08:15 |
| dholbach | did you set up a pbuilder already? | 08:15 |
| bojan | dholbach: that's what i do at the moment | 08:15 |
| dholbach | cool | 08:15 |
| zakame | bojan: cool! keep up the good work! :) | 08:16 |
| bojan | zakame: i'll give my best :) | 08:16 |
| zakame | I think we have less than 200 packages to merge/sync now, so take a look, there's something for everybody :) | 08:17 |
| dholbach | wow, well done! | 08:17 |
| bojan | zakame: ok | 08:17 |
| zakame | ok, bbl, my folks need me to call them ;) | 08:17 |
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| fabbione | morning guys | 08:23 |
| sivang | wow, already less then 200 pkgs? | 08:23 |
| fabbione | any motu alive? | 08:23 |
| sivang | morning fabbione | 08:23 |
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| sivang | dholbach: if the c++ allocator is easy to start with, I'm interested - what do I need to do? | 08:24 |
| dholbach | hey fabbione | 08:25 |
| fabbione | guys | 08:25 |
| fabbione | libsnmp5-dev -> libsnmp9-dev transition | 08:25 |
| dholbach | fabbione: you want to talk about splitting out libraries in the motu school? :) | 08:25 |
| dholbach | fabbione: will create a list for it | 08:25 |
| fabbione | php4-snmp | 08:25 |
| fabbione | netmrg | 08:25 |
| fabbione | mbrowse | 08:25 |
| fabbione | libfwbuilder6c2 | 08:25 |
| fabbione | ksim | 08:25 |
| fabbione | ifstat | 08:25 |
| fabbione | fwbuilder-linux | 08:25 |
| fabbione | fwbuilder-bsd | 08:25 |
| dholbach | oh you have it already :) | 08:25 |
| fabbione | fwbuilder | 08:25 |
| fabbione | cpqarrayd | 08:25 |
| fabbione | cacti-cactid | 08:25 |
| fabbione | these are the pkgs in universe that need a rebuild | 08:25 |
| dholbach | rocknroll | 08:26 |
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| fabbione | dholbach: that's just the output from apt-cache rdepends libsnmp5 | 08:26 |
| dholbach | *nod* | 08:26 |
| fabbione | so it might be ok, it might be not | 08:26 |
| fabbione | main has been done already (module php5) | 08:26 |
| dholbach | will create a wiki page | 08:26 |
| fabbione | ah comeon | 08:26 |
| fabbione | it's like 10 pkgs | 08:26 |
| fabbione | you can do it in 10 minutes | 08:26 |
| fabbione | ok well | 08:28 |
| fabbione | dholbach: ehehe i might as well talk about it | 08:28 |
| dholbach | yeah, you enjoyed that :) | 08:28 |
| fabbione | yeah i enjoy larting^Wexplaning people | 08:29 |
| dholbach | that's what i thought back then | 08:29 |
| sivang | so, when are we gonna have a lesson? | 08:29 |
| fabbione | i could give a "talk" on the importance of not being lame in #ubuntu* channels :P | 08:31 |
| fabbione | or "how to use a gpg key properly" | 08:31 |
| sivang | fabbione: well, you just need to do what you did to me for anoyone who presents the same cluelessness as I have :-D | 08:31 |
| dholbach | ok, everybody who's new here, proceed to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseSNMPTransition | 08:32 |
| fabbione | actually | 08:32 |
| sivang | dholbach: that's about the relocator change? | 08:32 |
| fabbione | dholbach: that's the list of binary pkgs | 08:32 |
| fabbione | some of them have sources in main | 08:33 |
| sivang | fabbione: really, you scared the living shit out of me. | 08:33 |
| dholbach | gnar | 08:33 |
| fabbione | dholbach: go for the page :) | 08:33 |
| sivang | fabbione: main? cool, me like main :) | 08:33 |
| Mithrandir | dholbach: seriously, that's like five or eight source package. Just fix them. :-P | 08:33 |
| dholbach | sorry guys | 08:37 |
| dholbach | i just had a look at the source packages and they were all done (one left) | 08:37 |
| dholbach | i'll ping you for something easy next time | 08:38 |
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| ajmitch | hi all | 08:54 |
| dholbach | hey ajmitch | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | how are you this morning, daniel? | 08:55 |
| dholbach | thanks, i'm fine | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | good :) | 08:56 |
| dholbach | quite happy with everybody signing up for ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | yep | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | lots of new faces in #ubuntu-motu-school | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | we need to add something in the topic to point them here | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | I guess we wait for \sh_away :) | 08:57 |
| dholbach | packages without debhelper and cdbs? | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | I got stuck with that ;) | 08:58 |
| dholbach | you want to give them pain? | 08:58 |
| dholbach | :) | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | no idea why I suggested it, I wasn't intending to give the tutorial | 08:58 |
| dholbach | i see | 08:58 |
| dholbach | brb | 08:59 |
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| lucas | I could give a tutorial about "ruby for python programmers", but I'm not so sure of the "IRC channel" format | 09:14 |
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| crimsun | 'evening, ajmitch | 09:27 |
| ajmitch | hi crimsun, how are you? | 09:29 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: not too bad, working on a diff for hoary's and breezy's fuse | 09:32 |
| crimsun | ajmitch: yourself? | 09:32 |
| ajmitch | I'm alright, just reading through some wiki stuff | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | seems that my ISP is having a few issues today | 09:34 |
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| jsgotangco | hi guys | 09:43 |
| ajmitch | hey jerome | 09:44 |
| jsgotangco | hey ajmitch how's it going? | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | good :) | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | how are you? | 09:45 |
| dholbach | hey jsgotangco | 09:50 |
| dholbach | when is your big day? | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | tommorow | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | i'm flying tonight at 11pm | 09:50 |
| === dholbach hugs jsgotangco | ||
| jsgotangco | arrive at seoul around 5am | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | and talk at 10am | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | hehehe | 09:50 |
| === dholbach has fingers crossed | ||
| dholbach | . o O { and types very slowly because of this } | 09:50 |
| raphink | :) | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | its strange korea requires all countries to have a visa | 09:50 |
| jsgotangco | i could go into japan without a visa | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 09:51 |
| ajmitch | jsgotangco: have a fun trip :) | 09:51 |
| jsgotangco | oh definitely | 09:52 |
| sivang | jsgotangco: what are you going to be doing in korea? | 09:53 |
| zakame | jsgotangco: rock the conf :) | 09:54 |
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| jsgotangco | yeah i'll try not to be too crazy | 09:54 |
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| siretart | morning | 09:56 |
| crimsun | 'morning, siretart | 09:56 |
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| siretart | crimsun: how was your presentation yesterday? | 09:56 |
| ajmitch | hey siretart | 09:56 |
| zakame | hello siretart :) | 09:57 |
| crimsun | siretart: long, but at least I got free lunch :) | 09:57 |
| siretart | crimsun: :) | 09:58 |
| siretart | huhu ajmitch, hi zakame | 09:58 |
| siretart | zakame: you wait for elmo to get your key added, right? | 09:59 |
| zakame | siretart: yup, still waiting :) but my email's crappy lately :'( | 10:00 |
| jsgotangco | bye bye | 10:12 |
| slomo_ | hi everybody :) | 10:13 |
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| ajmitch | hey slomo_ | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | morning \sh | 10:15 |
| \sh | moins | 10:16 |
| zakame | hi \sh :) | 10:17 |
| slomo_ | hi \sh | 10:17 |
| crimsun | 'morning, slomo_, \sh | 10:17 |
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| \sh | moins | 10:20 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: review 'day' is next weekend, shall we have a MOTU meeting around then as well? | 10:24 |
| ajmitch | & we're scheduling motu school sessions ;) | 10:25 |
| dholbach | we should take this discussion to the mailing list | 10:25 |
| ajmitch | ok | 10:25 |
| lucas | what is the best way to request a merge ? is assigning a bug to the MUTO Merge Team enough, or should I ask elmo too ? | 10:31 |
| lucas | (see launchpad bug #5253 as an example) | 10:32 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug #5253: ruby (Ubuntu) - libgettext-ruby: merge new debian version In: libgettext-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5253 | 10:32 |
| dholbach | a merge has to be done manually | 10:32 |
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| dholbach | syncs are just requested in #ubuntu-devel, elmo does them | 10:32 |
| lucas | only syncing is needed | 10:32 |
| lucas | ok | 10:32 |
| dholbach | ok | 10:32 |
| dholbach | if he doesn't answer or do it for a day, write a mail | 10:32 |
| dholbach | to james.troup@ | 10:32 |
| lucas | but if there's no emergency, will elmo eventually sync libgettext-ruby with only bug report #5253 ? | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | no | 10:33 |
| lucas | ok | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | elmo won't watch malone for thousands of merge bugs | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | and he will want the request to come from a MOTU | 10:33 |
| lucas | ok, so could sbody request the syncs of libgettext-ruby and libgtk-trayicon-ruby ? | 10:34 |
| lucas | (malone bug #5253 and malone bug #5255) | 10:34 |
| === ajmitch would if he could fetch packages to test them | ||
| Ubugtu | Malone bug #5253: ruby (Ubuntu) - libgettext-ruby: merge new debian version In: libgettext-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5253 | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | but my ISP is having severe issues tonight | 10:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug #5255: trayicon-ruby (Ubuntu) - libgtk-trayicon-ruby: merge new debian version In: libgtk-trayicon-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5255 | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | at least irc works.. | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | but http is nearly dead for anything out of NZ | 10:35 |
| lucas | what's the point in asking MOTURuby to work on merge if you have to double-check everything ? | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | because we can't just blindly ask for syncs based on someone's word? | 10:36 |
| ajmitch | syncs have broken before, I had to prepare a fix for one today | 10:36 |
| lucas | ok, so what's the difference with MOTURuby just doing nothing ? :-) | 10:36 |
| ajmitch | people are given upload rights for a reason - they are trusted to get things right | 10:37 |
| ajmitch | I would hope that people in MOTURuby would know ruby packaging better, and so come to a decision | 10:37 |
| ajmitch | it doesn't mean that we can't check them before putting our names to a sync | 10:37 |
| lucas | ? | 10:37 |
| lucas | what's the problem with ruby packaging ? | 10:37 |
| ajmitch | eg when I request a sync, and it breaks.. the blame falls on me | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | I didn't say there was a problem | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | I said that the ruby team should know ruby packaging | 10:38 |
| lucas | I do | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | like the mono team handles the mono packages | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | except now the mono team is comprised of all main uploaders :( (congrats slomo_ ) | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | ;) | 10:38 |
| lucas | I'm part of the debian pkg-ruby-extras team, and have 2 ruby-related packages sponsored in debian (soon 3) | 10:38 |
| ajmitch | that's great | 10:39 |
| ajmitch | but I will still do a quick check of any sync for a non-MOTU who requests it :) | 10:39 |
| lucas | there seem to be a bottleneck here. motutools is waiting on REVU for a week now, with no useful comments. launchpad bug #5035 makes it impossible to use libgettext-ruby on breezy/amd64, and has a patch waiting. should I ask for Ubuntu membership to help things get going ? :-) | 10:42 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug #5035: ruby (Ubuntu) - shared library installed to incorrect directory on amd64 In: libgettext-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5035 | 10:42 |
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| ajmitch | there's always a bottleneck when there's a small group of people | 10:44 |
| zakame | hehe, libmemcache has been there for more than two, but I'm not going to complain because I'm too busy having fun learning ;) | 10:45 |
| ajmitch | lucas: I'm sure you can see that there's more than just motutools waiting for review | 10:46 |
| ajmitch | but that's because reviewing is fairly time-intensive | 10:46 |
| lucas | I know | 10:47 |
| slomo_ | bbl | 10:47 |
| zakame | speaking of motutools, is does lp have an xml interface now, or is it still email? | 10:47 |
| lucas | but this is frustrating to spend time working on stuff and don't see it going on because of bottlenecks I can do nothing to solve | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | email still, I think | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | lucas: and you work in debian? ;) | 10:48 |
| lucas | the pkg-ruby-extras team is doing great | 10:48 |
| lucas | I don't care much about the whole picture | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | I know that | 10:49 |
| siretart | lucas: we know these problems. I can assure you, the time I started working on universe, the situation wasn't better | 10:50 |
| siretart | lucas: to solve these, we have been writing tools like the Merge lookup page and revu. | 10:50 |
| lucas | so I should just request ubuntu membership ASAP to be able to help more efficiently ? :) | 10:50 |
| ajmitch | lucas: you need to be a MOTU to do uploads :) | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | if you became a MOTU, would you be willing to do reviews, sponsor uploads, etc? | 10:51 |
| lucas | but to be a MOTU, you need to be an ubuntu member, right ? | 10:51 |
| ajmitch | yes, once you have a 'sustained & significant contribution', judged by the community council | 10:52 |
| siretart | lucas: yes. but I'm sure, there will be more than just me to advocate your ubuntu membership the next CC meeting | 10:52 |
| lucas | ajmitch: to some extend, yes. I cannot work on Ubuntu 24/7, but I can still dedicate quite a lot of time to it | 10:52 |
| Ubugtu | Ubuntu Bugzilla bug #24: sysklogd: FTBFS on s390 - missing atomic_t / __KERNEL__ Product: Ubuntu, Component: sysklogd, Severity: normal, Assigned to: debzilla@ubuntu.com, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: NOTWARTY https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24 | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | haha | 10:52 |
| ajmitch | silly Ubugtu | 10:53 |
| zakame | err | 10:53 |
| siretart | lol | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | obviously none of us apart from \sh work on it 24/7 | 10:53 |
| ajmitch | I hardly do anything at all | 10:53 |
| siretart | haha | 10:53 |
| lucas | I'll be attending a conference during the next CC meeting. do one have to come to the meeting ? | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | good to see that I can still upload | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | since http is utterly broken for downloading | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | lucas: generally yes.. | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | they can make exceptions sometimes | 10:55 |
| ajmitch | or you could wait until the next CC meeting | 10:55 |
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| lucas | I'll think about it | 10:58 |
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| ajmitch | they won't approve in absentia without some prior arrangement | 10:58 |
| lucas | who should I arrange with ? ;) | 10:58 |
| ajmitch | a CC member :) | 10:59 |
| lucas | ok | 10:59 |
| ajmitch | lookup the wiki/launchpad/website for who's in the team | 10:59 |
| lucas | doing that now | 10:59 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 11:31 |
| crimsun | 'morning, sistpoty | 11:33 |
| sistpoty | hi crimsun | 11:33 |
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| ajmitch_1 | night all | 12:02 |
| sistpoty | night ajmitch_1: | 12:02 |
| ajmitch_1 | too many ajmitch* | 12:03 |
| sistpoty | he | 12:03 |
| ajmitch__ | :) | 12:03 |
| === ajmitch__ could become andrewm again | ||
| sistpoty | *g* | 12:03 |
| ajmitch__ | ok, sleep time really ;) | 12:04 |
| sistpoty | sleep well | 12:04 |
| crimsun | 'night, ajmitch__ | 12:05 |
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| siretart | huhu sistpoty | 12:29 |
| sistpoty | huhu siretart | 12:30 |
| siretart | sistpoty: I'm currently in class, will come after this excercise to the cafeteria (ca. 1400) | 12:30 |
| === sistpoty is preparing his first -security upload | ||
| siretart | cool :) | 12:30 |
| sistpoty | siretart: ok, will see you then | 12:31 |
| siretart | makes fun, no? | 12:31 |
| sistpoty | siretart: no ;)... maybe you could review it before I'll upload it, let's see at 1400h | 12:31 |
| siretart | sistpoty: security uploads should always go with debdiff to security-review@lists.ubuntu.com first. pitty approves them then | 12:32 |
| siretart | pitti, that is | 12:32 |
| sistpoty | siretart: ah, ok | 12:32 |
| siretart | where are you atm? | 12:34 |
| sistpoty | siretart: at home | 12:34 |
| siretart | ok | 12:35 |
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| sistpoty | cya later | 01:32 |
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| zakame | evening all :) | 02:31 |
| dholbach | could somebody have a look at MOTUReportDraft please? | 02:36 |
| dholbach | else i'll write it on my own later :( | 02:36 |
| zakame | checking it out :) | 02:36 |
| \sh | dholbach: I'll write it later this evening... | 02:40 |
| \sh | if the points are ok on the draft...I'll take care | 02:40 |
| dholbach | i think there is more that happened | 02:40 |
| dholbach | we had quite an exciting month | 02:40 |
| Kyral | Mornign | 02:40 |
| dholbach | i enjoy writing it, but it's a bit painful to have 94 people in here and I have to find out what happened (and i always forget stuff) :) | 02:41 |
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| dholbach | YAY | 02:41 |
| zakame | w00t | 02:42 |
| dholbach | merci \sh | 02:42 |
| \sh | I'll try to recall what happened to the MOTUs last month... | 02:43 |
| dholbach | me too | 02:43 |
| dholbach | on a dogwalk | 02:43 |
| \sh | hf :) | 02:43 |
| ogra | again ?` | 02:43 |
| zakame | hm, should I get the latest centericq from sid (4.21.0-7) to respond to DSA 912-1 (which notes fix in 4.21.0-4)? | 02:43 |
| dholbach | ogra: ? | 02:44 |
| \sh | zakame: centericq will be synced later this day..pitti requested it | 02:44 |
| ogra | dholbach, you jus left for one 5 min ago in the oher channel :P | 02:44 |
| dholbach | tssss | 02:44 |
| ogra | heh | 02:44 |
| zakame | \sh: yep, I know... I suppose I'll forward my debdiff then to julien to fix the rebuild prob... :) | 02:45 |
| \sh | ogra: could I ask you for a favour? Would you be so kind and prepare a lecture about the topic "How to build empty packages? Why are they needed and why are they important in some transitions." | 02:45 |
| ogra | but not this week anymore ... | 02:46 |
| \sh | ogra: no...for january most propaly | 02:46 |
| ogra | thats fine | 02:47 |
| \sh | propably even | 02:47 |
| \sh | ogra: some docs which we can publish would be rocking as well :) after the lecture :) | 02:47 |
| ogra | we just have to have the main merges finished this week, so i'm busy ... additionally Keybuk broke ltsp with his new iniramfs | 02:47 |
| \sh | ( cd tmp.glade && xvfb-run glade-2 -w g2banking.glade ) | 02:48 |
| \sh | grmpf | 02:48 |
| \sh | xvfb-run is not in package xvfb anymore...and daniels will come back next week...it stops me from some important merges | 02:49 |
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| lucas | I need some advice about bug #1299 | 03:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug #1299: ruby (Ubuntu) - Image.read(filename) eats characters from filename In: librmagick-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTURuby, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/1299 | 03:13 |
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| kiko | hey there guys | 03:25 |
| kiko | so there was some bouncemail from malone recently | 03:25 |
| kiko | Unknown user: lucas@yoway.imag.fr (Lucas Nussbaum) | 03:25 |
| lucas | yup, that was me | 03:26 |
| lucas | what do you mean, unknown user ? | 03:26 |
| lucas | the mail bounced when replying ? | 03:26 |
| kiko | yep | 03:27 |
| kiko | that email isn't registered | 03:27 |
| kiko | and I just sent you email there | 03:27 |
| kiko | and it bounced too: | 03:27 |
| kiko | host imag.imag.fr [2001:660:5301:1e::101] : 553 5.1.2 <lucas@yoway.imag.fr>... | 03:27 |
| kiko | +yoway.imag.fr does not do mail | 03:27 |
| lucas | We discussed it yesterday when we figured out the problem | 03:28 |
| lucas | a script we use (lpbugs.py) doesn't set the envelope's From address, but only the From inside the mail | 03:28 |
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| kiko | also | 03:28 |
| kiko | Unknown user: Andrew Mitchell <ajmitch@ajmitch.dhis.org> | 03:28 |
| lucas | I was running the script on my laptop, which I don't usually use to send mail | 03:29 |
| kiko | lucas, it's odd, still, to have a From: address you can't send mail to. | 03:29 |
| kiko | I see. | 03:29 |
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| kiko | Unknown user: Zak B.Elep <zakame@ubuntu.com> | 03:29 |
| kiko | that's another one. zakame? | 03:30 |
| \sh | lucas: well...the envelope address is not set by the MUA ... | 03:30 |
| \sh | lucas: only from the mta...which you have to configure properly. | 03:31 |
| lucas | most MUAs allow to set the envelope from because you often can't configure your MTA | 03:31 |
| \sh | lucas: and thinking about this, and my postfix on my laptop is configured correctly and even my smtp server sets correct enevelops..it just works | 03:31 |
| \sh | lucas: well..that's why you can use a relay server with smtp auth | 03:31 |
| zakame | kiko: yes, I de-registered my @ubuntu.com addy after what it pointed to (spunge.org) went down | 03:32 |
| lucas | \sh: yes I know | 03:32 |
| lucas | but the sendmail transport could set the envelope from too | 03:32 |
| lucas | with sendmail -f I think | 03:32 |
| \sh | lucas: yes with rewriting | 03:32 |
| kiko | zakame, okay, just wanted to make sure you know the email is getting bounced | 03:32 |
| lucas | \sh: no | 03:32 |
| lucas | -f sender | 03:33 |
| lucas | Set the envelope sender address. This is the address where | 03:33 |
| lucas | delivery problems are sent to. With Postfix versions before 2.1, | 03:33 |
| lucas | the Errors-To: message header overrides the error return | 03:33 |
| lucas | address. | 03:33 |
| zakame | kiko: I now would like to have zakame@ubuntu.com point to zakame@gmail.com, but that doesn't seem to be working :( | 03:33 |
| kiko | zakame, what doesn't? gmail? or the ubuntu.com redirect? | 03:33 |
| \sh | lucas: are you sure that orig sendmail is doing the same? or exim? | 03:33 |
| \sh | lucas: or qmail? | 03:33 |
| lucas | I can check with exim, but not with the original sendmail | 03:33 |
| lucas | exim does it | 03:34 |
| lucas | I think it's quite standard | 03:35 |
| lucas | "quite" :) | 03:35 |
| zakame | kiko: the redirect... I was told earlier that I should put gmail as primary, but that didn't work either :( | 03:36 |
| kiko | zakame, can you file a launchpad bug on that? | 03:37 |
| lucas | \sh: anyway, you should put a note swhere in the readme about this. like "Use SMTP if you have some doubts about your MTA's config" | 03:38 |
| zakame | kiko: sure, np | 03:38 |
| kiko | thanks | 03:39 |
| zakame | kiko-fud: to products/launchpad/+bugs ? | 03:44 |
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| kiko | zakame, yes | 04:37 |
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| xerxas | root@spanishtown:/etc/apache2/sites-available# /etc/init.d/apache2 reload | 04:41 |
| xerxas | * Reloading web server config... Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dav_fs.load: | 04:41 |
| xerxas | Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_fs.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_fs.so: undefined symbol: dav_hook_gather_propsets | 04:41 |
| xerxas | do I need to report that ? | 04:41 |
| xerxas | malone ? | 04:41 |
| kiko | appears so | 04:41 |
| xerxas | thanks | 04:41 |
| xerxas | is there any webdav server ? | 04:42 |
| xerxas | other than apache2 ? | 04:42 |
| Treenaks | uh | 04:48 |
| xerxas | bug reported | 04:49 |
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| dholbach | slomo, ajmitch, tseng: you can package chronojump from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/chronojump/04/ - another member in the mono family :) | 05:33 |
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| slomo_ | oh no... siretart left 3 minutes ago :/ | 05:39 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: ping? | 05:39 |
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| rave_ | siretart ? | 05:47 |
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| rave_ | guys, who likes my suggestion for a new MOTU logo ? | 05:51 |
| rave_ | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTULogo | 05:51 |
| azeem | rave_: it's "Ubuntu Linux", not "Ununtu Linux" | 05:52 |
| rave_ | i know | 05:52 |
| azeem | eh, that pertains to the logos at http://www.rosiello.net/PROP/ | 05:52 |
| rave_ | thats why i fixed the logo on the wiki it selfs | 05:53 |
| slomo_ | rave_: apart from that i like logo1 more ;) | 05:53 |
| azeem | rave_: yeah, saw it too late, sorry | 05:53 |
| rave_ | im using the one on the main wiki MOTUlogo for a paper im writing about patching bugs | 05:53 |
| azeem | rave_: the logo on the pinguin's belly looks pretty artificial, it is not bend nor shaded | 05:53 |
| azeem | but I guess that would be hard | 05:53 |
| rave_ | yeah i tryed to bent it | 05:54 |
| rave_ | i have some new 1s 2 | 05:57 |
| rave_ | let me upload them | 05:57 |
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| rave_ | ok i added new fles azeem | 05:59 |
| azeem | well, I am not a big fan of logos with animals or persons on it, anyway | 06:00 |
| rave_ | :| | 06:00 |
| rave_ | thats why you like logo1 | 06:01 |
| rave_ | :) | 06:01 |
| azeem | that was slomo | 06:01 |
| rave_ | oooh | 06:01 |
| rave_ | ok | 06:01 |
| rave_ | my bad :) | 06:01 |
| azeem | but for some more practical criticism: I think the light grey shadow should be much nearer to the black text, sword | 06:01 |
| azeem | (and I think the sword does not convey any special meaning for MOTU) | 06:02 |
| azeem | you could add a fork, if you want :P | 06:02 |
| rave_ | its the hero`s | 06:02 |
| azeem | ah | 06:02 |
| rave_ | the heros part | 06:02 |
| dholbach | azeem: anything you want to say? fork-wise? ;) | 06:03 |
| azeem | nah, just teasing | 06:03 |
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| dholbach | i see :) | 06:15 |
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| dholbach | can everybody who intends to become a motu soon say his real name please | 06:29 |
| Kyral | I intend to become a MOTU....soon though? | 06:31 |
| dholbach | soon doesnt have to be next week ;) | 06:31 |
| Kyral | lol | 06:31 |
| hunger | Kyral: I want to get some stuff into ubuntu... but becoming a motu? | 06:31 |
| Kyral | Chris Peterman | 06:31 |
| dholbach | i'll add you guys to the motu report :) | 06:32 |
| hunger | dholbach: Tobias Hunger | 06:32 |
| azeem | dholbach: you cheated, hunger ... | 06:32 |
| azeem | hrm | 06:32 |
| azeem | disregard that | 06:32 |
| hunger | dholbach: I'll work "offline" though, so no need to add me. | 06:32 |
| dholbach | nevermind :) | 06:33 |
| dholbach | rave_: are you johnny mast? | 06:34 |
| rave_ | dholbach yes | 06:35 |
| dholbach | and rave_ is your normal nick? | 06:35 |
| rave_ | yep | 06:35 |
| dholbach | cool | 06:35 |
| dholbach | i'll add it to the motu report too | 06:36 |
| rave_ | :) | 06:36 |
| rave_ | why`s that ? | 06:36 |
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| rave_ | what ? | 06:37 |
| rave_ | ow the logo ? | 06:37 |
| dholbach | i'll save the page in some minutes | 06:37 |
| dholbach | then you can have a look | 06:37 |
| rave_ | ok | 06:37 |
| rave_ | btw for the english guys | 06:37 |
| rave_ | the menu "terminal" is in on genome whats it called in english ? | 06:37 |
| rave_ | Programs -> ?? -> Terminal | 06:37 |
| Kyral | slomo_: you awake? | 06:38 |
| slomo_ | sure | 06:38 |
| Kyral | Checkout EasyChem | 06:38 |
| Kyral | please :D | 06:38 |
| slomo_ | url please :P | 06:38 |
| Kyral | its on REVU :P | 06:38 |
| slomo_ | <--- lazy ;) | 06:38 |
| azeem | slomo_: you should write an automatic REVU reviewer | 06:39 |
| Kyral | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1049 | 06:39 |
| rave_ | is it "resources" ? | 06:39 |
| slomo_ | azeem: good idea... but i don't know how :( | 06:39 |
| azeem | rave_: isn't it called Terminal as well? | 06:40 |
| azeem | rave_: not totally sure what you mean, though | 06:40 |
| rave_ | i need the sub menu name | 06:40 |
| rave_ | in gnome | 06:40 |
| rave_ | im using the dutch language in gnome | 06:41 |
| rave_ | Programs -> ?? -> terminal window | 06:41 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: hmm, you used the patching-by-hand example by \sh... this is not the best solution (i.e. a dry-run before, checking at different levels if it applies cleanly, etc would be better)... but ok, it works if you're carefull ;) | 06:42 |
| xhaker | rave_, Terminal | 06:42 |
| Kyral | So? | 06:42 |
| xhaker | it's Applications -> Acessories -> Terminal | 06:42 |
| rave_ | Bingo ! | 06:42 |
| rave_ | your simply the best ! | 06:43 |
| xhaker | <insert random tina turner tune here> | 06:43 |
| xhaker | :) | 06:43 |
| rave_ | lol | 06:43 |
| Kyral | slomo_: is it up to spec though? | 06:43 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: up to spec? hmm, maybe add "Copyright Holder:" above the "Copyright (c) ...." line | 06:44 |
| Kyral | ah okay... | 06:46 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: and the watchfile is missing ;) | 06:46 |
| Kyral | I know I know lol | 06:46 |
| slomo_ | did you create the logo? | 06:47 |
| rave_ | who ? | 06:48 |
| Kyral | yah | 06:48 |
| rave_ | i creates that one on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTULogo and those on http://www.rosiello.net/PROP | 06:49 |
| slomo_ | rave_: i meant Kyral :) | 06:50 |
| rave_ | im sorry | 06:50 |
| Kyral | You like? | 06:51 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft | 06:51 |
| Kyral | So is it worth advocating? | 06:52 |
| rave_ | jeej :) | 06:52 |
| dholbach | could you please all proofread and tell me if i forgot something | 06:53 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: i'm waiting for it to finish building ;) | 06:53 |
| Kyral | on your system? | 06:53 |
| Kyral | so...if I want to force a downgrade to breezy, I apt-pin to Breezy repos and do a dselect upgrade | 06:54 |
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| \sh | dholbach: the next session of ubuntu-motu-school will be held on 2005-12-10 | 06:55 |
| Nafallo | dholbach: slomo for main? :-) | 06:55 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: change those two things and you have my vote :) | 06:55 |
| \sh | time has to be announced | 06:55 |
| dholbach | Nafallo: right | 06:55 |
| dholbach | \sh: yes | 06:55 |
| Kyral | Gah do I REALLY need a Watchfile? | 06:55 |
| Kyral | and the whole thing about SourceForge doesn't work | 06:55 |
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| slomo_ | Kyral: it works for one of my packages... but if you don't want it... ok, your decision :P but the other thing would be nice and not much work | 06:56 |
| Kyral | I'll set an RSS feed to the page | 06:56 |
| Kyral | it will be easier for me to remember then the uscan | 06:56 |
| \sh | dholbach: it looks like that you can send it out to the world :) | 06:57 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: ok :) add that line to copyright and you have my vote ;) | 06:58 |
| Kyral | okay | 06:58 |
| Kyral | other people feel free to look at it :D | 06:58 |
| dholbach | ok, updated it | 06:58 |
| dholbach | please proofread | 06:58 |
| dholbach | especially native speakers | 06:58 |
| azeem | dholbach: "Soon we could have a map with the countries the cover..." <- looks weird | 06:59 |
| dholbach | azeem: right | 06:59 |
| Nafallo | "Soon we could have a map with the countries the cover..." | 06:59 |
| Nafallo | we cover? :-) | 06:59 |
| Nafallo | oh, to late :-P | 06:59 |
| dholbach | better? | 07:00 |
| Nafallo | yepp :-) | 07:00 |
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| slomo_ | dholbach: looks fine except "how much we of the 'Universe' we cover already." | 07:01 |
| slomo_ | dholbach: remove the first 'we' :) | 07:01 |
| dholbach | arglargl yes | 07:01 |
| dholbach | so you're all sure i didn't forget anything? anyone? :) | 07:02 |
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| dholbach | any mistakes, missing/wrong information is now YOUR fault | 07:08 |
| dholbach | i send it out | 07:08 |
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| \sh | dholbach: grin | 07:09 |
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| ogra | if [ "`ls /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7/perllocal.pod`" != "/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7/perllocal.pod" ] ; then | 07:12 |
| ogra | *superbiggrin* | 07:12 |
| dholbach | done | 07:12 |
| \sh | prost | 07:13 |
| slomo_ | ogra: nice one :) | 07:13 |
| \sh | btw...only to your information.... | 07:13 |
| ogra | slomo_, thats froma script i just got ... 2402 lines like the above | 07:14 |
| \sh | I have a request of one ubuntu fellow, if it is ok, that she can announce the ubuntu motu school project to linuxchix...I said yes, and I asked politely if she can manage that we can get one or two of the members to have lecture for ubuntu motu school as well.. | 07:15 |
| \sh | we will see, what will happen.. | 07:16 |
| dholbach | cool | 07:16 |
| \sh | the response to this project is WOW UNBELIEVABLE | 07:16 |
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| \sh | thx to kyral who is the one who inspired by crazy brain :) | 07:17 |
| \sh | s/by/my/ | 07:17 |
| slomo_ | \sh: but you should do a second lesson about patching... teaching how do improve the patch/unpatch targets you teached yesterday ;) (i.e. dry-run, testing at different levels, stamps for each patch/reversing only applied ones in unpatch, etc) ;) | 07:20 |
| \sh | slomo_: yes...I'll do it after ajmitch hold his lesson :) | 07:20 |
| \sh | slomo_: yesterday it was just "a stupid idea" to show at least the "beginning" and not the "end" (cdbs) | 07:21 |
| rave_ | im writing a paper about patching | 07:21 |
| slomo_ | \sh: perfect :) because kyral has your targets in his easychem package now... sure, they work... but one could do better ;) | 07:21 |
| slomo_ | \sh: i'm really interested in ajmitch's lessons... i've never done a package completly without debhelper | 07:22 |
| \sh | slomo_: sure...to be honest, i'm using those rules as well in xterm, because I know what I patched ,) | 07:22 |
| \sh | slomo_: but you are right, I will improve my lesson...and write a paper :) | 07:22 |
| mpt | Is there an ubuntu-motu mailing list? | 07:23 |
| \sh | yes | 07:24 |
| rave_ | yep | 07:24 |
| mpt | I don't see it mentioned on the MOTU wiki pages anywhere | 07:24 |
| dholbach | good call | 07:24 |
| rave_ | [8] ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com | 07:24 |
| rave_ | [9] http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu | 07:24 |
| dholbach | who does it? | 07:24 |
| ogra | mpt, its not even a week old :) | 07:24 |
| rave_ | it came from the report draft | 07:24 |
| mpt | ok, ta | 07:25 |
| rave_ | mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft | 07:25 |
| rave_ | thats the latest status | 07:25 |
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| mpt | rave_, that doc contains nothing | 07:26 |
| rave_ | press pgDn a few times | 07:26 |
| rave_ | any one want to help in the paching paper on wiki ? | 07:28 |
| mpt | it still contains nothing, but never mind, thanks for the previous answer | 07:29 |
| mpt | tchau | 07:29 |
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| rave_ | any one interested in reverse engeneering the netwalkman NW-HD1 file type with me ? | 07:37 |
| rave_ | this could add support for this sony mp3 walkman to universe | 07:38 |
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| \sh | slomo_: can u provide a ppc pbuilder for me? | 07:49 |
| slomo_ | \sh: not really... my only ppc is my ibook and it's always on the road :/ sorry... when i get a mac mini next year you can get one :) | 07:50 |
| \sh | slomo_: no problem...just trying to fix ctsim :) | 07:51 |
| slomo_ | \sh: don't worry about ctsim... it's on my todo list :) | 07:51 |
| \sh | slomo_: ok..trying to get rid of my not fixed merges :) | 07:52 |
| slomo_ | assign it to me if you want ;) | 07:52 |
| ogra | slomo_, did you notice that you still have an open main merge ? | 07:52 |
| slomo_ | ogra: you mean gtk-sharp? yes... i have it ready but i wanted to wait for debian to add one of my patches to keep the delta as small as possible... i have time for it until UVF, correct? | 07:55 |
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| ogra | slomo_, deadline for main merges is today | 07:59 |
| siretart | ogra: today? when is UVF? | 07:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: can you add mako, zakame and bmonty to the motu team or will they have to join themselves? | 07:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: for the first push of them | 07:59 |
| dholbach | ogra: after that mom will run again | 08:00 |
| slomo_ | ogra: fine, do you want to upload it for me in some minutes? ;) | 08:00 |
| slomo_ | siretart: 19.01. | 08:01 |
| siretart | intersting | 08:01 |
| dholbach | the deadline was today, so we could catch up | 08:01 |
| ogra | slomo_, see Kamions mail to devel | 08:01 |
| ogra | dholbach, hmm, id rather ask tem to klick the join link ... | 08:02 |
| dholbach | ogra: ok | 08:02 |
| dholbach | then i'll do that | 08:02 |
| ogra | ll happily approve them | 08:05 |
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| sistpoty | hi folks | 08:14 |
| slomo_ | hi sistpoty | 08:14 |
| minghua | hi sistpoty | 08:14 |
| minghua | sistpoty: I am starting to learn using your lpbugs.py tool :-) | 08:15 |
| sistpoty | hehe, cool minghua... but lpbugs was written by \sh (and siretart)... I only wrote the frontend | 08:15 |
| sistpoty | (webpage) | 08:15 |
| minghua | sistpoty: oh I see. I naively thought the frontend and the tool should have the same author :-( | 08:17 |
| sistpoty | minghua: no, but still we all work together on this, and the webfrontend is based on some things siretart and /me wrote for revu2... so basically we all work together ;) | 08:18 |
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| LaserJock | sistpoty: ping? | 08:31 |
| rave | &@*!@ connection | 08:31 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: pong | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: you worked on the libghemical merge right? | 08:32 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: yes, and I requested a sync this morning | 08:32 |
| rave | did any one replyed to me ? | 08:32 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: ok, I just wondered if you saw that there was a new upstream release | 08:33 |
| rave | on how to create a code box on wiki ? | 08:33 |
| sistpoty | LaserJock: actually azeem did the sync from debian side... so I didn't bother that hard | 08:34 |
| sistpoty | s/sync/merge | 08:34 |
| sistpoty | btw.: thx. azeem :) | 08:35 |
| LaserJock | sistpoty: ok, I was going to look at it myself but I new a new release was coming so I waited. Too long I guess, since you beat me too it ;-) | 08:35 |
| sistpoty | hehe, as written above... I only test-builded and requested the sync ;) | 08:36 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 08:44 |
| sistpoty | hi ajmitch | 08:44 |
| slomo_ | hi ajmitch | 08:44 |
| rave | morning ajmitch | 08:44 |
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| xhaker | someone should upload gstreamer0.8-cdio with libcdio6 | 08:46 |
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| herve | hello | 08:47 |
| crimsun | I just keep having the worst luck today | 08:48 |
| \sh | crimsun: that can't be | 08:49 |
| xhaker | crimsun, why is that? | 08:49 |
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| crimsun | earlier udev troubles were fixed with a later udev update, so I finally fixed firmware loading for my M-Audio card, but right before I hibernated I updated to the latest udev version, which is now broken again, which ended up with a ext3 / fs hosed, had to e2fsck, which failed, so I had to boot to Windows to create a DSL usb device | 08:51 |
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| ajmitch | sigh, looks like I have to kill \sh | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | he was such a nice guy, too | 08:51 |
| \sh | *g* | 08:51 |
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| \sh | ajmitch: doesn't matter | 08:51 |
| \sh | ajmitch: I'm dead in any way you can imagine | 08:51 |
| ajmitch | \sh: Australia != New Zealand. Really | 08:52 |
| \sh | ah damn | 08:52 |
| \sh | I was wondering...something is wrong | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | haha | 08:52 |
| \sh | I'll fix it after I wrote my CV | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | why are you dead? | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | uh oh | 08:52 |
| ajmitch | that doesn't sound promising | 08:52 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: You saw my messages WRT m-a? | 08:53 |
| \sh | i tell you...I'm in a good mood...really...I'm so pissed...but nothing to worry about...I just found a nice place under a bridge in cologne with wireless lan connection | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | \sh: nice running water, too? | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: yeah | 08:53 |
| \sh | ajmitch: sure the "Rhine" | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: 'testing' it is mainly using it to build a module | 08:53 |
| ajmitch | \sh: clean enough to swim in, drink, etc? :) | 08:54 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: Er, the message after that. :-) | 08:54 |
| ogra | its currently -2C in germany any snowy ... you can build an igloo :) | 08:54 |
| \sh | ajmitch: i'm not sure, but does it matter, when you can't buy mineral water, you will drink even your pee...,) | 08:54 |
| \sh | ogra: hahaha | 08:54 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: what did I miss? "_ | 08:54 |
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| ajmitch | \sh: so is your current job looking a little shaky? | 08:55 |
| sistpoty | brrr... I think I test the -2C and go out for a smoke | 08:55 |
| StevenK | [14:53] < StevenK> ajmitch: I have just built/tested 0.10.2 and it works. | 08:55 |
| StevenK | [14:54] < StevenK> I can't build a module, but that's just due to gcc-3.4 not being installed. | 08:55 |
| StevenK | [14:54] < StevenK> ajmitch: So, request a sync. | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | yeah, the "can't build a module" is what I was referring to | 08:55 |
| ajmitch | wondering what test you did | 08:55 |
| StevenK | I can install gcc-3.4 and try it again. | 08:56 |
| \sh | ajmitch: well...it's a good idea to search now...because we actually don't know what will happen just before the 24th of dec | 08:56 |
| ogra | ajmitch, they pay very good gratuities ... | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | it's mainly to check that it still gets the right kernel headers | 08:56 |
| StevenK | It had to install them, which it did. | 08:56 |
| ajmitch | \sh: and you're still a bit young for a retirement home :) | 08:56 |
| \sh | ajmitch: not in germany...I'll be 35 next month...so for germany i'm old | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | not that old | 08:57 |
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| ajmitch | still young enough to find a job & work for the next 40 years | 08:57 |
| \sh | still 30 years until the real retirement time... | 08:57 |
| ajmitch | yep | 08:57 |
| \sh | my plan was to work only up to 50 and then be rich like hell...but I think I have to change plans | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | heh | 08:58 |
| ajmitch | I don't think I have a chance of that | 08:58 |
| === ajmitch really should get to work soon | ||
| ajmitch | before I have to start looking for bridges | 08:59 |
| \sh | ajmitch: is your company hiring? | 08:59 |
| ajmitch | no | 08:59 |
| ajmitch | well they are | 08:59 |
| ajmitch | if you like php | 08:59 |
| tseng | and living in new zealand | 09:00 |
| \sh | ajmitch: well...I wrote my first eShop in clipper...and after that I wrote everything in PHP and Perl | 09:00 |
| ajmitch | that too | 09:00 |
| \sh | this is not that bad | 09:00 |
| azeem | \sh: "this" being PHP or New Zealand? | 09:00 |
| \sh | azeem: both | 09:00 |
| azeem | ah :) | 09:01 |
| tseng | \sh: i dont think you experience the connectivity in the pacific rim at UDU | 09:01 |
| tseng | +d | 09:01 |
| Mithrandir | ajmitch: uhm, have you lost any bridges lately? Since you need to go looking for them? | 09:01 |
| \sh | i mean..it doesn't matter what language or what country...actually to have a job is much more interesting | 09:01 |
| \sh | and my english is so bad, that I can even understand new zealand-ish | 09:01 |
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| \sh | ,) | 09:02 |
| ajmitch | Mithrandir: somewhere warm to sleep | 09:02 |
| ajmitch | \sh: we speak english here? | 09:02 |
| Mithrandir | ajmitch: it's just more dry under bridges, not warmer. | 09:02 |
| ajmitch | depends if you get it out of the wind | 09:03 |
| \sh | ajmitch: dunno...I never been to NZ | 09:03 |
| === ajmitch will be back in a few minutes | ||
| dholbach | Lathiat: you there? | 09:10 |
| dholbach | Lathiat: #ubuntu-meeting, if you are | 09:10 |
| Kyral | Hmm, is anyone else on Dapper having LRM Common failing to finish setting up? | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: yep | 09:12 |
| Kyral | Okay so its not just me :D | 09:12 |
| Kyral | and it seems udev is slower than HotPlug | 09:13 |
| torkel | Kyral: add a ! to the first line in /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-restricted-modules-common.postinst | 09:13 |
| Kyral | ah | 09:13 |
| Kyral | so it should read | 09:14 |
| Kyral | !set -e | 09:14 |
| torkel | no. It should read #!/bin/sh | 09:14 |
| Kyral | ah lol | 09:14 |
| torkel | not #/bin/sh | 09:14 |
| Kyral | I didn't notice the malformed Shabang | 09:14 |
| Kyral | Wait, isn't a shabang supposed to be !# | 09:15 |
| torkel | no | 09:15 |
| Kyral | Okay | 09:15 |
| LaserJock | Kyral: ! is the bang | 09:15 |
| Kyral | Fixed it | 09:16 |
| === ajmitch is back | ||
| ajmitch | dholbach: it'll be early morning for Lathiat | 09:21 |
| dholbach | ok | 09:21 |
| === ajmitch didn't realise there was a devel update meeting scheduled for today | ||
| ajmitch | oh well | 09:23 |
| === StevenK tests m-a again. | ||
| Kyral | hmm | 09:26 |
| Kyral | Is it better to set with XBindKeys, or setup though fluxbox's startup | 09:26 |
| StevenK | root@broken:/# ls -lh /usr/src/ddrmat-2.6.15-5-k7_0.12-1+2.6.15-5.7_i386.deb | 09:29 |
| StevenK | -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 7.3K Dec 1 20:25 /usr/src/ddrmat-2.6.15-5-k7_0.12-1+2.6.15-5.7_i386.deb | 09:29 |
| rave_ | any protocol hackers ? | 09:29 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: That do you? | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | yeah, looks reasonable :) | 09:29 |
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| StevenK | -k7 since -k7-smp doesn't seem to exist in dapper. :-( | 09:29 |
| ajmitch | no, the kernels are unified now, iirc | 09:29 |
| Tonio_ | evening | 09:30 |
| Kyral | Does K7-SMP even exist PERIOD? | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | so 1 kernel for UP & SMP | 09:30 |
| ajmitch | Kyral: the hardware has existed for quite awhile | 09:30 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: The progress dialog box while building doesn't work properly - but that just a huge hack in the first place. | 09:30 |
| Kyral | ajmitch: ah. I just never saw a K7 with SMP | 09:30 |
| StevenK | steven@broken:~% grep model\ name /proc/cpuinfo | 09:30 |
| StevenK | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor | 09:30 |
| StevenK | model name : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor | 09:30 |
| StevenK | Now you have, | 09:30 |
| StevenK | s/,/./ | 09:31 |
| rave_ | i mean reverce engeneers | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | athlon MP | 09:31 |
| ajmitch | rave_: why? | 09:31 |
| Mithrandir | I have a pile of K7 SMP boxes. | 09:32 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Only because you sleep with AMD peoples. | 09:32 |
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| Mithrandir | StevenK: no, that's the reason why I have a 2x275 setup | 09:33 |
| Kyral | MP | 09:33 |
| Kyral | ah | 09:33 |
| StevenK | ajmitch: elmo's around, request a sync! | 09:33 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: requested | 09:37 |
| StevenK | I think my wiki page has read 'Sync requested' for m-a since yesterday afternoon. ;-) | 09:38 |
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| ajmitch | yes, it did | 09:40 |
| rave_ | does any if there is a patch to the webcam issue ? | 09:42 |
| === ajmitch__ has no idea what issue you're talking about | ||
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| StevenK | Eeek, now there's two of them! | 09:44 |
| ajmitch | ? | 09:44 |
| StevenK | [07:37] < ajmitch> ; [07:40] * ajmitch__ | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | and..? | 09:45 |
| \sh | http://linux.blogweb.de/cv/cv.html | 09:45 |
| StevenK | I didn't see a nick change. I'm just being silly, feel free to ignore me. | 09:45 |
| \sh | i think this is enough | 09:45 |
| ajmitch | \sh: looks much better than my CV | 09:46 |
| Kyral | slomo_: ping | 09:46 |
| \sh | ajmitch: the style doesn't matter..the content is important :) | 09:46 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: pong | 09:46 |
| Kyral | made that addition to EasyChem, check REVU in a couple minutes | 09:46 |
| slomo_ | ok, will do :) | 09:47 |
| ajmitch | \sh: I was talking about content ;) | 09:47 |
| Kyral | gracias | 09:47 |
| \sh | ajmitch: oh :) | 09:47 |
| StevenK | Only because ajmitch's CV is full of PHP. | 09:48 |
| ajmitch | to my eternal shame | 09:48 |
| StevenK | I've managed to hack three PHP pages. In total. One of them was '<? phpinfo(); ?> | 09:49 |
| StevenK | s/\'// | 09:49 |
| Kyral | Gah...is beagle busted for anyone else? | 09:49 |
| dsas | tsk tsk, short tags on? :p | 09:49 |
| StevenK | dsas: Bugger off. :-P | 09:50 |
| dsas | ;) | 09:51 |
| LaserJock | \sh: so your birthday is coming up in a little bit | 09:51 |
| rave_ | ajmitch because my cam freezes as well | 09:52 |
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| ajmitch | rave_: right, but it doesn't sound like a motu issue ) | 09:52 |
| rave_ | no but i wanted to see if any one knew if there was a patch | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | asking if there's a patch for 'my webcam doesn't work' isn't too productive :) | 09:54 |
| slomo_ | *sigh* Kyral always disappears when i want to tell him something... | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | have you filed it as a bug? | 09:55 |
| rave_ | some one else did | 09:55 |
| \sh | LaserJock: yes | 09:57 |
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| \sh | :) http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/147-HELP-Searching-A-New-Job-!!!.html | 09:58 |
| LaserJock | \sh: we should have a party or something. I know, a "let \sh fixes all the universe bugs" party :-) | 09:58 |
| \sh | The best thing I can do :) | 09:58 |
| \sh | LaserJock: there is only one problem | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: don't burn him out | 10:00 |
| \sh | LaserJock: I never celebrate my birthday again ... the last time I did it was when I turned 18 | 10:00 |
| Kyral | I seem to sense a pattern with udev.. | 10:00 |
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| LaserJock | \sh: well, I can understand. Mine was on Nov. 18th and I just worked in the lab and was trying to help here. | 10:01 |
| Kyral | the first time you load something, its slow.. | 10:01 |
| Kyral | then its as if its loaded it into RAM or something | 10:01 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: your right. It would be a terrible thing to burn out \sh | 10:01 |
| \sh | well..this takes time to burn me out | 10:03 |
| dholbach | good night motus | 10:03 |
| \sh | I worked for actually 3 years 24h a day without holidays...so I'm used to it :) | 10:04 |
| \sh | cu dholbach | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | night dholbach | 10:04 |
| sistpoty | night dholbach: | 10:04 |
| ajmitch | \sh: heh, so you already gave your cv to sabdfl? ;) | 10:06 |
| === ajmitch thinks canonical would be a good place for \sh | ||
| \sh | ajmitch: I send him my cv via email and I don't mind :) | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | it's the sort of job I'd like, if I could handle the stress ;) | 10:07 |
| \sh | ajmitch: actually it wasn't an application... | 10:07 |
| \sh | ajmitch: only information that if they need someone..and right now they need someone which is not me :) | 10:08 |
| ajmitch | not a formal application | 10:08 |
| \sh | ajmitch: you read the employment offer of canonical? | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | the QA engineer? | 10:09 |
| \sh | yepp | 10:09 |
| === ajmitch wishes he was skilled enough for that | ||
| === ajmitch has to do all those merges he said he would.. | ||
| \sh | ajmitch: i think u r | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | no, it requires some serious QA knowledge | 10:12 |
| ajmitch | someone who knows how to design a decent test system | 10:12 |
| lifeless | hmmm | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: I thought you'd started doing some of that? | 10:13 |
| lifeless | I will be helping anyone doing QA | 10:13 |
| \sh | ajmitch: hehe..."hey what is wrong about trial and error" | 10:13 |
| ajmitch | right | 10:13 |
| lifeless | \sh: its not repeatable | 10:14 |
| ajmitch | \sh: you didn't talk with lifeless enough at UBZ ;) | 10:14 |
| lifeless | \sh: which means you cannot validate the results on different machines, you cannot automate it, you cannot use the results in a meaningful way, you do not get any confidence in the code base | 10:14 |
| \sh | ajmitch: I prepared some nice QA tools for lycos...so I know :) | 10:14 |
| lifeless | the QA engineer is not about building test systems | 10:15 |
| ajmitch | I wonder if there's time for me to try & do some bounties before freeze | 10:15 |
| lifeless | I mean, if they can - great - but thats in the ideal section | 10:15 |
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| \sh | lifeless: well..sabdfl has all informations about me...and I'm not the right person for this job..so I didn't apply for it...I have reasons :) | 10:16 |
| Kyral | ping slomo_ | 10:17 |
| lifeless | I'm not pressuring you to ;). I'm just clarifying - if we get someone that can build a system, cool. But we have a tonne of folk that can build things, a much smaller group that understand testing methodologies, etc | 10:17 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: please revert the change and only add a line saying "Copyright Holder:" above ;) the line with the name etc is already ok | 10:17 |
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| \sh | lifeless: I know... | 10:18 |
| ajmitch | lifeless: by building a test system, I was meaning someone that understood what is needed | 10:18 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: change it and you get my vote tomorrow :) need to sleep now | 10:19 |
| slomo_ | gn8 everybody :) | 10:19 |
| Kyral | So replace "Copyright (c)" by "Copyright Holder" | 10:19 |
| slomo_ | siretart: expect mplayer to be finished today | 10:19 |
| sistpoty | gn8 slomo_: | 10:19 |
| Kyral | cya | 10:20 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: no... leave that line alone and add a additional line above it saying "Copyright Holder:" | 10:20 |
| Kyral | done and uploaded | 10:21 |
| slomo_ | Kyral: ok, fine :) | 10:21 |
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| \sh | well..if I don't find anything in IT anymore..I'll clean streets with a broomstick... | 10:24 |
| dredg | \sh: where are you based? | 10:24 |
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| \sh | dredg: germany>? | 10:24 |
| dredg | yeah, but where? :) | 10:24 |
| \sh | dredg: near cologne | 10:24 |
| dredg | hm, ok | 10:24 |
| \sh | 20mins from cologne | 10:24 |
| dredg | have a look here: http://www.google.de/jobs/ and if there's anything you are interested in i will put your cv in for it | 10:25 |
| dredg | and if not, there are other jobs in other countries if you are prepared to relocate | 10:25 |
| herve | nighty night | 10:29 |
| === ajmitch is prepared to relocate ;) | ||
| dredg | find a job you like, send me your cv and i'll send it directly to a recruiter | 10:30 |
| dredg | i'm based in the ireland office, which is the eu hq so most of the european jobs are here | 10:30 |
| dredg | but there are jobs in uk, de and ch too | 10:31 |
| dredg | not to mention usa :) | 10:31 |
| \sh | Technical Support Engineer, Enterprise | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | and .no | 10:31 |
| dredg | oh yeah. forgot about .no | 10:31 |
| Mithrandir | it's a new one, so you're forgiven. :-) | 10:31 |
| === Nafallo find some in sweden :-P | ||
| \sh | dredg: relocation is not the problem :) | 10:32 |
| Nafallo | ah, they are not based here. | 10:32 |
| Nafallo | never mind me ;-) | 10:32 |
| dredg | nsheridan@gmail.com plaintext cv preferred but other formats not a problem | 10:32 |
| \sh | java and javascript is more the problem :) but this is easy to learn...just two more languages I have in my brain :) | 10:33 |
| dredg | the more interesting jobs in europe would probably be in ireland, as we have more staff here | 10:33 |
| ajmitch | dredg: and they speak english there :) | 10:34 |
| dredg | yes. yes we do :) | 10:34 |
| \sh | and the beer is good, too :) | 10:35 |
| \sh | (and even the whisky) | 10:35 |
| dredg | oh come on. you're in germany | 10:35 |
| dredg | the beer sucks here | 10:35 |
| ajmitch | I think it's fairly easy for NZ citizens to get a irish work visa | 10:35 |
| \sh | dredg: I like guiness, kilkenny and even Cider | 10:35 |
| \sh | dredg: question...are you building something in ZA? | 10:36 |
| dredg | not that i'm aware | 10:36 |
| \sh | dredg: k..ascii prefered or Openoffice format? | 10:37 |
| dredg | ascii | 10:37 |
| \sh | dredg: cool :) I'll send an application and CV tomorrow (around 13 UTC+1) to your email address :) | 10:38 |
| \sh | dredg: thanks for the hint... | 10:38 |
| dredg | great. just tell me which job you want to be put forward for and i'll put your cv in tomorrow | 10:39 |
| === ajmitch should check the luv jobs list | ||
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| lucas | zyga: you there ? | 11:07 |
| === lucas sometimes feels lonely in MOTURuby ;) | ||
| Kyral | lol | 11:09 |
| Kyral | you want me to learn Ruby? | 11:09 |
| lucas | that would be a very good idea actually | 11:10 |
| Kyral | lol | 11:10 |
| Kyral | I plan to learn Python and Perl first | 11:10 |
| lucas | arg | 11:10 |
| lucas | what a loss of time | 11:11 |
| lucas | (just kidding) | 11:11 |
| lucas | python is a great language. ruby is python+fun | 11:11 |
| Kyral | and Perl...is the Unix SysAdmin's Swiss Army Chainsaw | 11:12 |
| lucas | the old & fat unix sysadmin with a grey bear's swiss army knife, yes | 11:12 |
| Kyral | lol | 11:12 |
| Kyral | Okay, Irssi has tab complete on almost EVERYTHING | 11:13 |
| Kyral | I <3! | 11:13 |
| === ajmitch likes irssi | ||
| ajmitch | especially when used with screen | 11:14 |
| === lucas used to like irssi | ||
| lucas | but /me finally switched to xchat | 11:14 |
| ajmitch | I used to be on xchat | 11:15 |
| Kyral | I have to learn about screen | 11:15 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: so what do you use now? | 11:18 |
| ajmitch | as I said, irssi | 11:19 |
| Kyral | oh I am reminded | 11:19 |
| Kyral | Can I tell logrotate to work on things like my GAIM and IRC logs? | 11:19 |
| lamont__ | qsynth, scilab, and swami all build-depend: libreadline4-dev, which no longer exists (need to roll to libreadline5...) | 11:19 |
| lamont__ | fix that. kthxbye | 11:20 |
| ajmitch | ok | 11:20 |
| lamont__ | ajmitch: wow. that was easy. :-) | 11:21 |
| lamont__ | uh... my bad. | 11:22 |
| lamont__ | libfluidsynth-dev: Depends: libreadline4-dev | 11:22 |
| lamont__ | and causes the other stuff to happen | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | yeah, that's one I need to fix for scummvm | 11:22 |
| lamont__ | (scilib build-depends: libreadline4-dev | libreadline-dev) | 11:22 |
| ajmitch | I think I had a fixed fluidsynth to upload, or it was a sync.. | 11:23 |
| === ajmitch checks | ||
| === lamont__ notes that his log files are > 24 hours old... | ||
| ajmitch | yep, sync time | 11:23 |
| ajmitch | lamont__: so qsynth & swami both have libreadline4-dev build-depends? | 11:27 |
| lamont__ | no | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | fluidsynth sync will fix them all then? | 11:27 |
| lamont__ | they fail because libfluidsynth-dev (which they build-dep) depends libreadline4-dev | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | oh good | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | should be fixed soon then :) | 11:27 |
| lamont__ | kick me about them once fluidsynth is there | 11:27 |
| lamont__ | and I'll give them back | 11:27 |
| ajmitch | will do | 11:28 |
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| thierry_ | could anyone help me create a .desktop file for a package on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile (just to show me the way th first time, I have far too much questions right now) | 11:38 |
| thierry_ | in fact my big problem is "In debian/rules, if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, make sure the binary* target installs the .desktop file into /usr/share/applications/ and its corresponding icon file (xpm/png/etc.) into /usr/share/pixmaps/ . Additionally if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, you need to call dh_desktop." | 11:39 |
| thierry_ | first : where do I put dh_desktop ? in the install list of the rules file? | 11:40 |
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| thierry_ | and what do I do if the program as no icon? I simply don't put the icon= line? | 11:44 |
| crimsun | thierry_: you don't have to call dh_desktop explicitly anymore | 11:44 |
| thierry_ | ok... but why is it still on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile ? | 11:45 |
| thierry_ | because I'd like to help with these long lists but without proper explanation of the job to do, it's hard for a beginner like me | 11:46 |
| thierry_ | crimsun | 11:46 |
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| \sh | good night folks... | 11:52 |
| ogra | night \sh | 11:52 |
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| bojan | this is only to inform you, that i will take care of the unassigned merge hztty | 11:53 |
| \sh | ogra: don't play around with this guy..there is a time even you will forget the CoC ... and he is not worth it | 11:53 |
| ogra | \sh, i wont | 11:54 |
| ogra | (forget about the CoC ) | 11:54 |
| bojan | so, there is no need for someone else to take the merge | 11:55 |
| thierry_ | ogra : could you just tell me some little tips for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile | 11:55 |
| ogra | sure | 11:55 |
| thierry_ | ogra : ok where do I put dh_desktop ? in the install list of the rules file?, crimsun told me I don't have to call dh_desktop explicitly anymore | 11:56 |
| thierry_ | then what do I do? should I take off the line of the wiki who says to do that? | 11:57 |
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| crimsun | cdbs handles it for you if you use gnome.mk | 11:57 |
| ogra | crimsun, and in debhelper based packages ? | 11:58 |
| thierry_ | yeah but in the lines it says : if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, you need to call dh_desktop. | 11:58 |
| minghua | thierry_: in debian/rules | 11:58 |
| ogra | i think you still nedd it ... i'm not aware that changed :) | 11:58 |
| minghua | should be install target, but I'm not 100% sure | 11:58 |
| thierry_ | minguha : yeah I think it's there, but where in the file?? | 11:59 |
| thierry_ | my package is space-orbit | 11:59 |
| thierry_ | ogra : and what do I do if the program as no icon? I simply don't put the icon= line? | 11:59 |
| minghua | thierry_: I would like to quote \sh here, make sure you know the stuff under the hood before you use the fancy tools | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | bojan: then file the bug so that it gets assigned to you on the list | 12:00 |
| minghua | thierry_: the dh_desktop's purpose is to add some commands in the package's postinst script | 12:00 |
| ajmitch | bojan: otherwise you'll find that someone else uploads a merge soon :) | 12:00 |
| ogra | thierry_, put in the icon line for sanitys sake, but leave it empty | 12:00 |
| minghua | thierry_: if I were you, I'll just put it in install target, and see if the postinst script get correctly modified | 12:01 |
| minghua | thierry_: and you can always read the gnome.mk in cdbs, or dh_desktop man page | 12:01 |
| minghua | thierry_: sorry I can't help you more here | 12:01 |
| thierry_ | minghua : thanks, but how can I see if the postinst script get correctly modified | 12:03 |
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