[12:03] rave_: cool logos :) === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@lambda.chem.unr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:05] rave_: you can temporarly write this down on your own wiki page [12:05] and move it elsewhere later [12:08] sistpoty thanks thanks :) [12:08] i will add some more and fix the typeo`s [12:09] from ununtu to ubuntu lol [12:09] hehe [12:09] rave_: I personally like the first best [12:09] but the others are cool as well [12:09] logo1 ? [12:09] yep [12:09] :D hehe that one has no typo [12:10] it would be cool if one officilial logo comes from that [12:10] @ the same time it could start a compatition on the site [12:12] ok folks, /me goes to bed [12:13] sistpoty: we see us tomorrow, 1400, yes? [12:13] siretart: yes, we do [12:13] gn8 siretart === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-083-129.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:14] sleep well [12:16] Icon made === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:16] how important is a watchfile for a package? [12:17] Kyral, you should always use it if you can ... (for new packages) [12:17] gah [12:17] if I would like a package to be removed from the archive [12:17] its trivial to add he upstream url ... [12:17] who should I assign the bug to ? [12:17] and do I really have to make all those translations in the Desktop file? [12:18] nope [12:18] Thank GOD [12:18] lol [12:18] but submit your package to rosetta :) [12:18] lucas: elmo handles that... what do you want removed? [12:18] I was gonna run it through Babelfish [12:18] lol [12:18] the translations in the .desktop file are supposed to come from .po's [12:18] okay [12:18] minghua, not really [12:18] I was just curious [12:18] so just put the one in my native language (english) [12:19] it was about libao-ruby, but I'm still not sure about it [12:19] lucas: is it removed in debian? [12:19] ogra: yeah I know what you mean, but there are tools that extract translations from .po's to make a .desktop, and people should use that instead of making translators translate the .desktop separately. am I correct? [12:20] and I pop this thing in the debian dir if its not native to the source right? [12:20] sistpoty: it never got in [12:20] lucas: ah [12:20] the guy looked for a sponsor but didn't try very hard [12:21] minghua, yes ... i was wrong ... i was referring to language packs [12:21] .desktop files are not contained in langpacks [12:22] but translations can/should be in the .po file === cyberix [n=cyberix@hoas-fe36dd00-251.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:22] so they show up on rosetta [12:23] slomo: I saw GNUnet 0.7.x is in dapper. Thanks, for that. gnunet-gtk 0.7.x going to get there anytime soon? === wjb [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:25] cyberix: i have to talk with elmo about it... he told me that it's broken somehow but it works for me... so no idea [12:25] ogra: I see. I never really understood this language-pack thing though [12:26] What is a valid Category for a Desktop file? [12:26] last time I tried language-pack-zh-cn, it didn't work (although it turned out to be my fault, not ubuntu's) [12:27] slomo: Well, maybe it is fixed in 0.7.0a === Kyral sighs [12:27] slomo: Which now seems to have packages in debian too. [12:27] Kyral: read http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/0.9/ if you are serious with your .desktop file (e.g. plan to send it upstream) [12:28] minghua, i had this page from breezy in mind ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline [12:29] slomo: It was the first 0.7.x bugfix release, fixing aprox. 30 bugs. [12:30] ogra: thanks for the link [12:31] is there a way in wiki.ubuntu.com to say "I'm interested in the page, make a bookmark for me, but don't send emails on every page update"? [12:32] cyberix: i'll talk to him tomorrow... need to go to bed now ;) [12:32] gn8 everybody [12:32] gn8 slomo === rave_ needs to sleep as well [12:32] slomo: Good night === wjb [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:33] damn, I broke my pbuilder during upgrade :( [12:34] :| === thierry_ [n=thierry@modemcable058.142-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:42] <\sh> yay [12:42] <\sh> I just send an announcement about "Ubuntus MOTU School" [12:43] \sh: to where? [12:43] <\sh> ubuntu-motu ML and ubuntu-devel ML [12:43] very cool [12:44] hmm, dapper is acting up on me, bbl === Trashcan [n=matt@ip70-176-253-127.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:52] <\sh> done for today... [12:57] hm... if there is a shlibs.local, i guess i need to update this as well for a2c-transition? [12:58] <\sh> c2a ...yes [12:58] <\sh> everything where the packagename appears..so even in rules where the install path is debian// is [12:58] because the ones i come across seem kind of outdated (never made the libstdc++ transition), that confuses me a lilttle bit *g* [12:59] <\sh> and don't forget the conflicts/replaces [12:59] <\sh> and be careful with merges which have to be transitioned [12:59] <\sh> and check the list of doko again and again, for the DEBIAN tag...the sometimes a sync is appropriate [12:59] \sh: sure... i always check on unstable first ;) [01:00] (and in bts) [01:00] <\sh> sistpoty: well...you can read just now on d-d that the debian maintainer did not read the instructions very carefully :) [01:00] <\sh> (for atlas-cpp, cal3d and another lib) === sistpoty glimpses at d-d [01:03] <\sh> it will be another topic for ubuntus motu school :) [01:03] great idea btw. ;) [01:06] <\sh> hehe...the zulu word for learn for motu: fundela motu === anavim [n=anavim@nat1.supportsoft.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:13] wohoo my pbuilder regenerated magically :) [01:19] http://www.tecspy.com/blogs/loveslugradio/2005/11/30 [01:19] SOOO FUNNYY! [01:21] <\sh> ROTFL [01:21] <\sh> shit...this is wonderful [01:21] <\sh> post it on =devel [01:21] i posted it on sounder already :) [01:22] <\sh> ah well...one of the ML which I don't read :) === oris_wolfbane [n=oris@82-38-121-195.cable.ubr01.hali.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === plugwash [i=plugwash@p10link.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ptlo [n=senko@83-131-76-54.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:32] \sh, sounder is very funny ... [01:32] (i'm not subscribed but read the archives once a mont)h === SEJeff [n=SEJeff@12-222-183-136.client.insightBB.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zyga [n=zyga@2-mi2-1.acn.waw.pl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra_ [n=ogra@p5089D3C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:46] slomo: ping [01:49] ajmitch: ping [01:50] yes? [01:50] I finished the package :D All the errors you commented on should be fixed now [01:50] 'cept Linda spits out a wierd error [01:51] k === ajmitch_ is trying to fix php-imap issues here [01:51] says it cannot find a sutable .mo file === anavim [n=anavim@nat1.supportsoft.com] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:52] blame StevenK [01:52] ;) [01:53] eh? === desplesda [n=desplesd@58.164.219.163] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] so its harmless? [01:56] that's one reason not to have linda as a pbuilder hook :-P [01:57] I think it's harmless, I don't know though [01:57] okay [01:57] then EasyChem has a clean bill of health === ajmitch gets the hate out on php-imap [01:58] hi :) [01:58] anyone to review some package of mine ? :) [01:58] raphink: get in line [01:59] I worked for more than 6 hours today fixing one of mine :P [01:59] Kyral: haha [01:59] well I have sopme package that have been waiting for quite a time ;) [01:59] I worked for about the same time making one ;) [01:59] from scratch [02:00] had loads of fun :) [02:00] actually I did [02:00] because I learned a shitload :P [02:00] packages will be reviewed when (or if) motus have time & inclination to do so :) [02:00] yah yah :P [02:00] nah [02:01] get involved, they say ... [02:01] ;) [02:01] 'cept I gave you what? More than 8 hours warning that I would ping you tonight mitch :P [02:01] and? [02:01] bah ;P [02:01] warning doesn't mean that I'll have time === ajmitch is at work [02:01] ah nevermind === LaserJock [n=LaserJoc@ppp-69-239-158-143.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] LJ [02:02] there are plenty of other packages on REVU that I can look at as well ;) [02:04] Hi Kyral [02:06] man, I tried fresh installs of Breezy and Dapper today. Lots of problems. Didn't get much work done ;-) [02:06] will we have dbus 1.0 in 6.04? [02:06] Nafallo, when is ETA ? [02:06] end of December according to planet gnome :-) [02:07] dbus 0.60 was just released [02:07] \sh_away: great mail to -motu :) [02:07] mail to -motu? what is this? [02:08] \sh_away: yes, it was good [02:08] Nafallo, i think that is to tight to UVF, a new dbus will pull a new transition in [02:08] Nafallo, see /topic ;) [02:09] yes, but dbus 1.0 would be much easier to provide support for in 3 years, since it's the first "stable" :-) === wjb [n=Warren@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo subs [02:12] 0.60 is API/ABI stable? [02:12] nope, but most of the changes to get there are made in 0.60 according to the blogpost :-). === ajmitch thought 0.60 was going to be the last gasp before 1.0 - changes would only be made if really necessary [02:14] " If there are problems with the system we are still open to changes but if all goes well this will be the 1.0 API." [02:14] ah good :) [02:15] ah, right [02:15] so that means we need it so we can see the problems :-P [02:15] yes [02:16] oh. daniels is still on leave, no? [02:17] i think i saw him joining shortly today [02:17] I can't recall if he's back this week or next [02:17] IIRC he's back next week. === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:18] grumble .... [02:18] now i have a beautiful kino package that builds and runs fine but segfaults on file open and file save ... [02:19] ah right, I *used* to have a 16-bit display, no wonder I don't see the visual problems now [02:19] many lappies have them [02:20] but Diablo-D3's reaction was sooo typical ... grmpf .. === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:21] ogra: typical for him, yes [02:21] yup === ajmitch has just about given up on -laptop [02:24] just? === alucard__ [n=alucard@houseofshiny.plus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] i gave up when Diablo3 was the first guy to join [02:24] well he's about the only activity in there now [02:25] he's not as bad as some people on the forums I see.. [02:25] ..? === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] just reading some angry people on the 'why does dapper suck?' thread === bmonty [n=bmontgom@wsip-68-15-230-31.om.om.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] yah there is a reason why I didn't post there [02:27] because I would flame them to hell and back [02:27] hey everyone [02:27] hey bmonty! [02:27] hey bmonty... congrats! [02:27] well done ;) [02:27] sistpoty: on? [02:28] motu-ship ;) [02:28] dholbach didn't get hold of you? :) [02:28] ok thanks, but that is news to me :) [02:28] motu-ness?... whatever welcome to the team [02:28] https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members [02:28] you were approved in absentia === Nafallo goes to bed [02:29] dholbach was tasked with hunting you down & congratulating you [02:29] we managed to do it first :) [02:29] haha...well this is a welcome surprise! [02:29] now send your key to elmo [02:29] ok === Kyral has to remember to add his name to the Membership Candidates list [02:32] Kyral: a good idea if you're going before the CC [02:32] Kyral: I won't be there, btw [02:32] I also have to rustle up UbuntuForums people [02:35] this is why I'm pushing for EasyChem === chihau [n=chihau@200.54.132.71] has joined #ubuntu-motu === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-213-64.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:49] time to regenerate... good night everyone [02:50] so sistpoty is really Borg? :-P [02:51] didn't you know? [02:51] he's part of the german MOTU collective [02:58] I'm glad there is an ubuntu-motu ML now, I think it was long overdue [02:58] can I upload packages I didn't do for sync on REVU? [02:58] I mean Debian packages [02:59] :s [03:01] raphink: hm? [03:01] hmm [03:01] bmonty: it was, we kept bugging jdub about it [03:01] what's the protocol to get Debian packages synchronized with Ubuntu? [03:02] get a motu to ask elmo [03:02] once the package has been checked [03:02] hmm ok === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-166-11516.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] well because I think grubconf would be a good tool to get [03:02] it's packaged for Debian unstable [03:02] and it builds fine in dapper [03:02] and it's not in dapper? [03:02] no [03:03] hmm [03:03] when was it added to unstable? [03:03] ogra would be happy to know that Madwifi DOES work with the new kernel [03:03] but... [03:03] wierd mouse error [03:03] http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=grubconf&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all [03:03] grubconf is old in sid.. has 2 RC bugs [03:03] it was in warty [03:03] but not anymore in hoary or breezy or dapper [03:03] and it was removed for a good reason, I recall now [03:04] eg it would make your system unbootable fairly quickly :) [03:04] ah! [03:04] X cannot open /dev/mouse or somesuch [03:04] is there any equivalent to it? [03:04] not that I know of === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:04] or something planned, like in portage or so? [03:05] because grubconf is pretty useful when it comes to managing splashimages [03:05] anything that ignores the debian-specific comments will trash grub [03:05] so the tool needs to be written specifically for debian & ubuntu [03:06] ic [03:07] so I wonder what you would think of my postinst tool ;) === ajmitch would not recommend to elmo that grubconf be imported === ajmitch has no idea what tool you speak of [03:08] I mean hehe [03:08] I made a package for kubuntu grub splashimages [03:08] so I had to write a postinst script to install a splashimage by default [03:08] the package is on REVU now [03:09] obviously it modifies menu.lst, that's why I wonder what you would think of it ;) [03:09] and how badly does it destroy /boot/grub/menu.lst ? [03:09] it adds two lines in the begining of it : a comment line and a splashimage=etc.. line [03:09] then the prerm removes both [03:09] specifically [03:10] does it rewrite anything else in the file? [03:10] no [03:10] if the splashimage line already exists [03:10] it replaces it [03:10] so that it's not duplicate [03:10] hm === ajmitch would have to study it to make sure it wouldn't kill things [03:10] that's all it does [03:10] mhm [03:11] :) [03:11] http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kubuntu-grub-splashimages-0511301515/kubuntu-grub-splashimages-1.0/debian/kubuntu-grub-splashimages.postinst [03:11] because you wouldn't find out until the next kernel update or so ;) [03:11] yes, I was looking at it [03:11] ok [03:11] :) [03:12] initially I was putting the splashimage line in the end of the file [03:12] but that doesn't work [03:13] it needs to be before the list of OSes [03:13] ajmitch: Ping! [03:14] StevenK: hello sir! [03:14] ajmitch_: Hey! You said you had some "issues" about m-a? [03:14] yes, I did [03:15] I understand you were probably just merging, did you check all the changes there? === StevenK is being naugthy and irc'ing from work. [03:15] ajmitch_: I believe so. [03:15] I always read the debdiff before adding it to the bug. [03:15] I may have missed something ... [03:16] s/may have/probably/ depending on the time. :-P [03:16] yeah, I need to check the debdiff against the latest debian version to tell what is good, I think [03:16] I can generate one, if you like. === ajmitch is slowly fetching m-a source now [03:17] good night [03:17] looks like my ISP is having connectivity issues anyway === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] some of my issues are probably debian changes anyway [03:18] ajmitch: Can you reach 220.233.5.14? [03:18] just from a very very quick glance at the debdiff === jcape [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:18] I can [03:19] ajmitch: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/module-assistant_0.10.2-d.debdiff [03:20] much easier to read === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-166-11518.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:21] ok, now that is looking much better === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-166-11516.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:22] sorry, my issues are more with the debian changes [03:22] like stripping the GPL 3 paragraphs from debian/copyright [03:22] Then kill Zomb. :-) [03:22] just a note... [03:22] unnecessary, imho [03:22] gladly ;) [03:22] enabling Framebuffer kills Nvidia-GLX dead [03:22] Kyral: great! [03:23] so don't do it ;) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:24] ajmitch: I can just not merge that bit? :-P [03:25] StevenK: sure, but you'd have an extra delta from debian then [03:25] or you could file a bug in the BTS :) [03:26] Or you could. :-P === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] I'd also check that the changes for linux-* naming aren't unnecessary now [03:26] since they should be in 0.9.8 [03:28] that's the major change that ubuntu was carrying anyway, hopefully it can be dropped & the package synced === hub_ [n=hub@toronto-hs-216-138-231-194.s-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] seems to be some doc fixes for that anyway === hub_ is now known as hub === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-166-11518.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-166-11520.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] Kyral: what's going on there dude? [03:39] huh? [03:39] end of the world [03:39] coming and going [03:39] I had to forcefully disable the Framebuffer [03:39] ajmitch: I can just try building 0.11.2? [03:39] Kyral: so are you in dapper right now? [03:39] yah [03:39] StevenK: you could, but I think using module-assistant will be a better test [03:39] Kyral: Take a look at System->Help [03:40] since building it doesn't stress it too much [03:40] I have been told that dapper's kernel is broken [03:40] weird [03:40] it was [03:40] keybuk should have got udev fixes in [03:40] ajmitch: was a few hours ago [03:40] so I think it's unbroken by now === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:40] hub: that's not really the kernel, that was udev and module-init-tools [03:40] keybuk said he'd fixed things a bit over an hour ago [03:41] what abour it? [03:41] I get the XFCE manual :P [03:42] Kyral: The packaging guide should be there [03:42] crimsun: it is all related, but ok [03:42] I don't have the GNOME help [03:43] Kyral: oh, ok [03:43] fun, another debian GR === ajmitch must have missed it the first time round === NigelS [i=nigel@83.166.160.96] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:50] is udev supposed to be faster than hotplug? [03:50] probably, I think hotplug is getting dropped [03:51] yeah, I upgraded this afternoon and hotplug got removed. [03:51] hotplug is the Old World Order [03:51] seems slower [03:52] hey crimsun do you know how to force XFCE's compmgr to start? [03:54] Kyral: sorry, I'm not in front of it, ask in #xfce === Kyral shrugs [03:54] I think I'll jump to Flux now :D [03:54] brb === Tonio__ [n=tonio@tonio.planetemu.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-166-11520.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=Chris@hamlin-166-11520.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kyral [n=kyral@hamlin-166-11520.hamlin.clarkson.edu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:59] Okay I'm just trying to put off homework now... [04:08] sigh, broken syncs [04:09] caused by broken ubuntu changes [04:09] ajmitch: like what? [04:11] LaserJock: libpqxx [04:11] unnecessary rename in breezy [04:11] so I have to add Conflicts/Replaces to the dapper package [04:12] which debian does not need [04:12] since debian did the c2 change without adding the c2 suffix [04:12] (rightly so) [04:13] ajmitch: c++ library but only exports C interface? [04:13] SONAME change === wjb [n=Miranda@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:13] ajmitch, yeh.. i always thought renaming the packages is a bit silly [04:13] so there was no earlier package to conflict with [04:14] xhaker: it's not silly at all [04:14] it's required to make sure you don't have randomly crashing apps [04:14] of course [04:14] but there are other ways of tacking [04:14] tracking [04:14] the version i.e: [04:14] could be the +c2 version [04:15] and not change the package name [04:15] no [04:15] because existing packages need to 'break' [04:15] ajmitch: I don't quite understand why the c2 version was added to Breezy [04:15] xhaker: that won't work [04:15] LaserJock: because the C++ ABI changed [04:15] then a package that depends on the new ABI should depend on the +c2 version [04:15] whats wrong with that? [04:16] xhaker: most library dependencies in debian are of (>= $version) form [04:16] xhaker: because you need to be able to upgrade the library & make sure that packages that use it are upgraded [04:16] so why was there no c2 in sid, because they didn't have an ABI change? [04:16] there's not a strict version dependency [04:16] LaserJock: yes they did [04:16] in *this case*, the SONAME changed anyway [04:17] so they didn't need to append c2 to force an upgrade [04:17] so how did they handled that? they seem to be fine without he package rename [04:17] xhaker: the package is renamed [04:17] in debian? [04:17] but renamed with a new version, rather than the existing version & c2 [04:17] for the case I'm talking about, yes [04:18] debian is doing things just the same way we are [04:18] doko is gcc overlord for both [04:18] anyone running dapper 2.6.15 kernel with todays updates? [04:18] stupid question, but what does SONAME mean? [04:19] xhaker: I was but it was a bit broken ;-) [04:19] ajmitch: I wonder in this case if you/we can ask the debian maintainer to add a Confilicts/Replaces to -c2 packages in the Debian version [04:19] I think its what libs are names [04:19] .so? [04:19] minghua: I think I will [04:19] LaserJock: libfoo.so.6 [04:19] LaserJock: shared object name [04:19] LaserJock: SONAME change means you start using libfoo.so.7 [04:19] iirc [04:19] yep [04:20] and the package name would change from libfoo6 to libfoo7 [04:20] so you wouldn't need a c2 [04:21] ahhh, now I see. So the c2 is only added as needed? [04:21] LaserJock: yes [04:21] and we have to do c2a for some packages now [04:22] due to another libstdc++ change [04:22] yeah, i forgot why though [04:22] memory allocator, a rebuild will cause missing symbols [04:22] so apps need to be rebuilt, libs renamed [04:22] LaserJock: yes, adding c2 means two packages with the same libfoo.so.n, but different interface === freeflying [n=freeflyi@tor/session/x-58bbdc03e57655ae] has joined #ubuntu-motu === wjb [n=Miranda@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Jimbob_ [n=jcape@c-67-175-222-235.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@tor/session/x-28f94827f867ffb0] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:40] ajmitch: How do you suggest we test m-a? [04:40] by using it to build some modules === ajmitch can't recall what might be useful [04:41] gpib is one I know of [04:41] since I don't have anything not in the default kernel [04:42] i doubt it will be compliant with the new architecture at all... [04:45] ogra: which is why I'm wary of uploading it as it stands === wjb [n=Miranda@auproxy1.proxy.lucent.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:45] yup [04:46] great, new kernel & glibc at once [04:46] remind me not to reboot yet :) === Lathiat2 grins at ajmitch [04:48] ajmitch: the kernel is stable [04:49] I'm sure it is [04:49] but I like having nvidia drivers [04:50] It is there :P [04:50] new kernel ABI [04:50] so drivers will have to be rebuilt [04:50] you just have to sudo modprobe -r nvidiafb && sudo modprobe nvidia [04:51] yeah, I'll pass [04:51]