[12:03] <sistpoty> rave_: cool logos :)
[12:05] <lucas> rave_: you can temporarly write this down on your own wiki page
[12:05] <lucas> and move it elsewhere later
[12:08] <rave_> sistpoty thanks thanks :)
[12:08] <rave_> i will add some more and fix the typeo`s
[12:09] <rave_> from ununtu to ubuntu lol
[12:09] <sistpoty> hehe
[12:09] <sistpoty> rave_: I personally like the first best
[12:09] <sistpoty> but the others are cool as well
[12:09] <rave_> logo1 ?
[12:09] <sistpoty> yep
[12:09] <rave_> :D hehe that one has no typo
[12:10] <rave_> it would be cool if one officilial logo comes from that
[12:10] <rave_> @ the same time it could start a compatition on the site
[12:12] <siretart> ok folks, /me goes to bed
[12:13] <siretart> sistpoty: we see us tomorrow, 1400, yes?
[12:13] <sistpoty> siretart: yes, we do
[12:13] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[12:14] <rave_> sleep well
[12:16] <Kyral> Icon made
[12:16] <Kyral> how important is a watchfile for a package?
[12:17] <ogra> Kyral, you should always use it if you can ... (for new packages)
[12:17] <Kyral> gah
[12:17] <lucas> if I would like a package to be removed from the archive
[12:17] <ogra> its trivial to add he upstream url ...
[12:17] <lucas> who should I assign the bug to ?
[12:17] <Kyral> and do I really have to make all those translations in the Desktop file?
[12:18] <ogra> nope
[12:18] <Kyral> Thank GOD
[12:18] <Kyral> lol
[12:18] <ogra> but submit your package to rosetta :)
[12:18] <sistpoty> lucas: elmo handles that... what do you want removed?
[12:18] <Kyral> I was gonna run it through Babelfish
[12:18] <Kyral> lol
[12:18] <minghua> the translations in the .desktop file are supposed to come from .po's
[12:18] <Kyral> okay
[12:18] <ogra> minghua, not really
[12:18] <lucas> I was just curious
[12:18] <Kyral> so just put the one in my native language (english)
[12:19] <lucas> it was about libao-ruby, but I'm still not sure about it
[12:19] <sistpoty> lucas: is it removed in debian?
[12:19] <minghua> ogra: yeah I know what you mean, but there are tools that extract translations from .po's to make a .desktop, and people should use that instead of making translators translate the .desktop separately.  am I correct?
[12:20] <Kyral> and I pop this thing in the debian dir if its not native to the source right?
[12:20] <lucas> sistpoty: it never got in
[12:20] <sistpoty> lucas: ah
[12:20] <lucas> the guy looked for a sponsor but didn't try very hard
[12:21] <ogra> minghua, yes ... i was wrong ... i was referring to language packs
[12:21] <ogra> .desktop files are not contained in langpacks
[12:22] <ogra> but translations can/should be in the .po file
[12:22] <ogra> so they show up on rosetta
[12:23] <cyberix> slomo: I saw GNUnet 0.7.x is in dapper. Thanks, for that. gnunet-gtk 0.7.x going to get there anytime soon?
[12:25] <slomo> cyberix: i have to talk with elmo about it... he told me that it's broken somehow but it works for me... so no idea
[12:25] <minghua> ogra: I see.  I never really understood this language-pack thing though
[12:26] <Kyral> What is a valid Category for a Desktop file?
[12:26] <minghua> last time I tried language-pack-zh-cn, it didn't work (although it turned out to be my fault, not ubuntu's)
[12:27] <cyberix> slomo: Well, maybe it is fixed in 0.7.0a
[12:27] <cyberix> slomo: Which now seems to have packages in debian too.
[12:27] <minghua> Kyral: read http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/0.9/ if you are serious with your .desktop file (e.g. plan to send it upstream)
[12:28] <ogra> minghua, i had this page from breezy in mind ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline
[12:29] <cyberix> slomo: It was the first 0.7.x bugfix release, fixing aprox. 30 bugs.
[12:30] <minghua> ogra: thanks for the link
[12:31] <minghua> is there a way in wiki.ubuntu.com to say "I'm interested in the page, make a bookmark for me, but don't send emails on every page update"?
[12:32] <slomo> cyberix: i'll talk to him tomorrow... need to go to bed now ;)
[12:32] <slomo> gn8 everybody
[12:32] <sistpoty> gn8 slomo
[12:32] <cyberix> slomo: Good night
[12:33] <sistpoty> damn, I broke my pbuilder during upgrade :(
[12:34] <rave_> :|
[12:42] <\sh> yay
[12:42] <\sh> I just send an announcement about "Ubuntus MOTU School"
[12:43] <LaserJock> \sh: to where?
[12:43] <\sh> ubuntu-motu ML and ubuntu-devel ML
[12:43] <LaserJock> very cool
[12:44] <LaserJock> hmm, dapper is acting up on me, bbl
[12:52] <\sh> done for today...
[12:57] <sistpoty> hm... if there is a shlibs.local, i guess i need to update this as well for a2c-transition?
[12:58] <\sh> c2a ...yes
[12:58] <\sh> everything where the packagename appears..so even in rules where the install path is debian/<packagename>/ is
[12:58] <sistpoty> because the ones i come across seem kind of outdated (never made the libstdc++ transition), that confuses me a lilttle bit *g*
[12:59] <\sh> and don't forget the conflicts/replaces
[12:59] <\sh> and be careful with merges which have to be transitioned
[12:59] <\sh> and check the list of doko again and again, for the DEBIAN tag...the sometimes a sync is appropriate
[12:59] <sistpoty> \sh: sure... i always check on unstable first ;)
[01:00] <sistpoty> (and in bts)
[01:00] <\sh> sistpoty: well...you can read just now on d-d that the debian maintainer did not read the instructions very carefully :)
[01:00] <\sh> (for atlas-cpp, cal3d and another lib)
[01:03] <\sh> it will be another topic for ubuntus motu school :)
[01:03] <sistpoty> great idea btw. ;)
[01:06] <\sh> hehe...the zulu word for learn for motu: fundela motu
[01:13] <sistpoty> wohoo my pbuilder regenerated magically :)
[01:19] <Seveas> http://www.tecspy.com/blogs/loveslugradio/2005/11/30
[01:19] <Seveas> SOOO FUNNYY!
[01:21] <\sh> ROTFL
[01:21] <\sh> shit...this is wonderful
[01:21] <\sh> post it on =devel
[01:21] <Seveas> i posted it on sounder already :)
[01:22] <\sh> ah well...one of the ML which I don't read :)
[01:32] <ogra> \sh, sounder is very funny ...
[01:32] <ogra> (i'm not subscribed but read the archives once a mont)h
[01:46] <Kyral> slomo: ping
[01:49] <Kyral> ajmitch: ping
[01:50] <ajmitch_> yes?
[01:50] <Kyral> I finished the package :D All the errors you commented on should be fixed now
[01:50] <Kyral> 'cept Linda spits out a wierd error
[01:51] <ajmitch_> k
[01:51] <Kyral> says it cannot find a sutable .mo file
[01:52] <ajmitch_> blame StevenK
[01:52] <ajmitch_> ;)
[01:53] <Kyral> eh?
[01:53] <Kyral> so its harmless?
[01:56] <Nafallo> that's one reason not to have linda as a pbuilder hook :-P
[01:57] <ajmitch> I think it's harmless, I don't know though
[01:57] <Kyral> okay
[01:57] <Kyral> then EasyChem has a clean bill of health
[01:58] <raphink> hi :)
[01:58] <raphink> anyone to review some package of mine ? :)
[01:58] <Kyral> raphink: get in line
[01:59] <Kyral> I worked for more than 6 hours today fixing one of mine :P
[01:59] <raphink> Kyral: haha
[01:59] <raphink> well I have sopme package that have been waiting for quite a time ;)
[01:59] <raphink> I worked for about the same time making one ;)
[01:59] <raphink> from scratch
[02:00] <raphink> had loads of fun :)
[02:00] <Kyral> actually I did
[02:00] <Kyral> because I learned a shitload :P
[02:00] <ajmitch> packages will be reviewed when (or if) motus have time & inclination to do so :)
[02:00] <Kyral> yah yah :P
[02:00] <raphink> nah
[02:01] <raphink> get involved, they say ...
[02:01] <raphink> ;)
[02:01] <Kyral> 'cept I gave you what? More than 8 hours warning that I would ping you tonight mitch :P
[02:01] <ajmitch> and?
[02:01] <Kyral> bah ;P
[02:01] <ajmitch> warning doesn't mean that I'll have time
[02:01] <Kyral> ah nevermind
[02:02] <Kyral> LJ
[02:02] <ajmitch> there are plenty of other packages on REVU that I can look at as well ;)
[02:04] <LaserJock> Hi Kyral
[02:06] <LaserJock> man, I tried fresh installs of Breezy and Dapper today. Lots of problems. Didn't get much work done ;-)
[02:06] <Nafallo> will we have dbus 1.0 in 6.04?
[02:06] <ogra> Nafallo, when is ETA ?
[02:06] <Nafallo> end of December according to planet gnome :-)
[02:07] <Nafallo> dbus 0.60 was just released
[02:07] <ajmitch> \sh_away: great mail to -motu :)
[02:07] <Nafallo> mail to -motu? what is this?
[02:08] <LaserJock> \sh_away: yes, it was good
[02:08] <ogra> Nafallo, i think that is to tight to UVF, a new dbus will pull a new transition in
[02:08] <ogra> Nafallo, see /topic ;)
[02:09] <Nafallo> yes, but dbus 1.0 would be much easier to provide support for in 3 years, since it's the first "stable" :-)
[02:12] <ajmitch> 0.60 is API/ABI stable?
[02:12] <Nafallo> nope, but most of the changes to get there are made in 0.60 according to the blogpost :-).
[02:14] <ajmitch> " If there are problems with the system we are still open to changes but if all goes well this will be the 1.0 API."
[02:14] <ajmitch> ah good :)
[02:15] <Nafallo> ah, right
[02:15] <Nafallo> so that means we need it so we can see the problems :-P
[02:15] <ajmitch> yes
[02:16] <Nafallo> oh. daniels is still on leave, no?
[02:17] <ogra> i think i saw him joining shortly today
[02:17] <ajmitch> I can't recall if he's back this week or next
[02:17] <Nafallo> IIRC he's back next week.
[02:18] <ogra> grumble ....
[02:18] <ogra> now i have a beautiful kino package that builds and runs fine but segfaults on file open and file save ...
[02:19] <ajmitch_> ah right, I *used* to have a 16-bit display, no wonder I don't see the visual problems now
[02:19] <ogra> many lappies have them
[02:20] <ogra> but Diablo-D3's reaction was sooo typical ... grmpf ..
[02:21] <ajmitch> ogra: typical for him, yes
[02:21] <ogra> yup
[02:24] <tseng> just?
[02:24] <tseng> i gave up when Diablo3 was the first guy to join
[02:24] <ajmitch> well he's about the only activity in there now
[02:25] <ajmitch> he's not as bad as some people on the forums I see..
[02:25] <Kyral> ..?
[02:26] <ajmitch> just reading some angry people on the 'why does dapper suck?' thread
[02:26] <Kyral> yah there is a reason why I didn't post there
[02:27] <Kyral> because I would flame them to hell and back
[02:27] <bmonty> hey everyone
[02:27] <ajmitch> hey bmonty!
[02:27] <sistpoty> hey bmonty... congrats!
[02:27] <ajmitch> well done ;)
[02:27] <bmonty> sistpoty: on?
[02:28] <sistpoty> motu-ship ;)
[02:28] <ajmitch> dholbach didn't get hold of you? :)
[02:28] <bmonty> ok thanks, but that is news to me :)
[02:28] <sistpoty> motu-ness?... whatever welcome to the team
[02:28] <ajmitch> https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-dev/+members
[02:28] <ajmitch> you were approved in absentia
[02:29] <ajmitch> dholbach was tasked with hunting you down & congratulating you
[02:29] <ajmitch> we managed to do it first :)
[02:29] <bmonty> haha...well this is a welcome surprise!
[02:29] <ajmitch> now send your key to elmo
[02:29] <bmonty> ok
[02:32] <ajmitch> Kyral: a good idea if you're going before the CC
[02:32] <ajmitch> Kyral: I won't be there, btw
[02:32] <Kyral> I also have to rustle up UbuntuForums people
[02:35] <Kyral> this is why I'm pushing for EasyChem
[02:49] <sistpoty> time to regenerate... good night everyone
[02:50] <minghua> so sistpoty is really Borg? :-P
[02:51] <ajmitch> didn't you know?
[02:51] <ajmitch> he's part of the german MOTU collective
[02:58] <bmonty> I'm glad there is an ubuntu-motu ML now, I think it was long overdue
[02:58] <raphink> can I upload packages I didn't do for sync on REVU?
[02:58] <raphink> I mean Debian packages
[02:59] <raphink> :s
[03:01] <ajmitch> raphink: hm?
[03:01] <raphink> hmm
[03:01] <ajmitch> bmonty: it was, we kept bugging jdub about it
[03:01] <raphink> what's the protocol to get Debian packages synchronized with Ubuntu?
[03:02] <ajmitch> get a motu to ask elmo
[03:02] <ajmitch> once the package has been checked
[03:02] <raphink> hmm ok
[03:02] <raphink> well because I think grubconf would be a good tool to get
[03:02] <raphink> it's packaged for Debian unstable
[03:02] <raphink> and it builds fine in dapper
[03:02] <ajmitch_> and it's not in dapper?
[03:02] <raphink> no
[03:03] <Kyral> hmm
[03:03] <ajmitch_> when was it added to unstable?
[03:03] <Kyral> ogra would be happy to know that Madwifi DOES work with the new kernel
[03:03] <Kyral> but...
[03:03] <Kyral> wierd mouse error
[03:03] <raphink> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=grubconf&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[03:03] <ajmitch_> grubconf is old in sid.. has 2 RC bugs
[03:03] <raphink> it was in warty
[03:03] <raphink> but not anymore in hoary or breezy or dapper
[03:03] <ajmitch_> and it was removed for a good reason, I recall now
[03:04] <ajmitch_> eg it would make your system unbootable fairly quickly :)
[03:04] <raphink> ah!
[03:04] <Kyral> X cannot open /dev/mouse or somesuch
[03:04] <raphink> is there any equivalent to it?
[03:04] <ajmitch_> not that I know of
[03:04] <raphink> or something planned, like in portage or so?
[03:05] <raphink> because grubconf is pretty useful when it comes to managing splashimages
[03:05] <ajmitch_> anything that ignores the debian-specific comments will trash grub
[03:05] <ajmitch_> so the tool needs to be written specifically for debian & ubuntu
[03:06] <raphink> ic
[03:07] <raphink> so I wonder what you would think of my postinst tool ;)
[03:08] <raphink> I mean hehe
[03:08] <raphink> I made a package for kubuntu grub splashimages
[03:08] <raphink> so I had to write a postinst script to install a splashimage by default
[03:08] <raphink> the package is on REVU now
[03:09] <raphink> obviously it modifies menu.lst, that's why I wonder what you would think of it ;)
[03:09] <ajmitch> and how badly does it destroy /boot/grub/menu.lst ?
[03:09] <raphink> it adds two lines in the begining of it : a comment line and a splashimage=etc.. line
[03:09] <raphink> then the prerm removes both
[03:09] <raphink> specifically
[03:10] <ajmitch> does it rewrite anything else in the file?
[03:10] <raphink> no
[03:10] <raphink> if the splashimage line already exists
[03:10] <raphink> it replaces it
[03:10] <raphink> so that it's not duplicate
[03:10] <ajmitch> hm
[03:10] <raphink> that's all it does
[03:10] <raphink> mhm
[03:11] <raphink> :)
[03:11] <raphink> http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/kubuntu-grub-splashimages-0511301515/kubuntu-grub-splashimages-1.0/debian/kubuntu-grub-splashimages.postinst
[03:11] <ajmitch> because you wouldn't find out until the next kernel update or so ;)
[03:11] <ajmitch> yes, I was looking at it
[03:11] <raphink> ok
[03:11] <raphink> :)
[03:12] <raphink> initially I was putting the splashimage line in the end of the file
[03:12] <raphink> but that doesn't work
[03:13] <raphink> it needs to be before the list of OSes
[03:13] <StevenK> ajmitch: Ping!
[03:14] <ajmitch_> StevenK: hello sir!
[03:14] <StevenK> ajmitch_: Hey! You said you had some "issues" about m-a?
[03:14] <ajmitch_> yes, I did
[03:15] <ajmitch_> I understand you were probably just merging, did you check all the changes there?
[03:15] <StevenK> ajmitch_: I believe so.
[03:15] <StevenK> I always read the debdiff before adding it to the bug.
[03:15] <StevenK> I may have missed something ...
[03:16] <StevenK> s/may have/probably/ depending on the time. :-P
[03:16] <ajmitch> yeah, I need to check the debdiff against the latest debian version to tell what is good, I think
[03:16] <StevenK> I can generate one, if you like.
[03:17] <raphink> good night
[03:17] <ajmitch> looks like my ISP is having connectivity issues anyway
[03:18] <ajmitch> some of my issues are probably debian changes anyway
[03:18] <StevenK> ajmitch: Can you reach 220.233.5.14?
[03:18] <ajmitch> just from a very very quick glance at the debdiff
[03:18] <ajmitch> I can
[03:19] <StevenK> ajmitch: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/module-assistant_0.10.2-d.debdiff
[03:20] <ajmitch> much easier to read
[03:21] <ajmitch> ok, now that is looking much better
[03:22] <ajmitch> sorry, my issues are more with the debian changes
[03:22] <ajmitch> like stripping the GPL 3 paragraphs from debian/copyright
[03:22] <StevenK> Then kill Zomb. :-)
[03:22] <Kyral> just a note...
[03:22] <ajmitch> unnecessary, imho
[03:22] <ajmitch> gladly ;)
[03:22] <Kyral> enabling Framebuffer kills Nvidia-GLX dead
[03:22] <ajmitch> Kyral: great!
[03:23] <ajmitch> so don't do it ;)
[03:24] <StevenK> ajmitch: I can just not merge that bit? :-P
[03:25] <ajmitch> StevenK: sure, but you'd have an extra delta from debian then
[03:25] <ajmitch> or you could file a bug in the BTS :)
[03:26] <StevenK> Or you could. :-P
[03:26] <ajmitch> I'd also check that the changes for linux-* naming aren't unnecessary now
[03:26] <ajmitch> since they should be in 0.9.8
[03:28] <ajmitch> that's the major change that ubuntu was carrying anyway, hopefully it can be dropped & the package synced
[03:30] <ajmitch> seems to be some doc fixes for that anyway
[03:38] <LaserJock> Kyral: what's going on there dude?
[03:39] <Kyral> huh?
[03:39] <ajmitch> end of the world
[03:39] <LaserJock> coming and going
[03:39] <Kyral> I had to forcefully disable the Framebuffer
[03:39] <StevenK> ajmitch: I can just try building 0.11.2?
[03:39] <LaserJock> Kyral: so are you in dapper right now?
[03:39] <Kyral> yah
[03:39] <ajmitch> StevenK: you could, but I think using module-assistant will be a better test
[03:39] <LaserJock> Kyral: Take a look at System->Help
[03:40] <ajmitch> since building it doesn't stress it too much
[03:40] <hub> I have been told that dapper's kernel is broken
[03:40] <hub> weird
[03:40] <ajmitch> it was
[03:40] <ajmitch> keybuk should have got udev fixes in
[03:40] <hub> ajmitch: was a few hours ago
[03:40] <ajmitch> so I think it's unbroken by now
[03:40] <crimsun> hub: that's not really the kernel, that was udev and module-init-tools
[03:40] <ajmitch> keybuk said he'd fixed things a bit over an hour ago
[03:41] <Kyral> what abour it?
[03:41] <Kyral> I get the XFCE manual :P
[03:42] <LaserJock> Kyral: The packaging guide should be there
[03:42] <hub> crimsun: it is all related, but ok
[03:42] <Kyral> I don't have the GNOME help
[03:43] <LaserJock> Kyral: oh, ok
[03:43] <ajmitch> fun, another debian GR
[03:50] <Kyral> is udev supposed to be faster than hotplug?
[03:50] <ajmitch> probably, I think hotplug is getting dropped
[03:51] <LaserJock> yeah, I upgraded this afternoon and hotplug got removed.
[03:51] <crimsun> hotplug is the Old World Order
[03:51] <Kyral> seems slower
[03:52] <Kyral> hey crimsun do you know how to force XFCE's compmgr to start?
[03:54] <crimsun> Kyral: sorry, I'm not in front of it, ask in #xfce
[03:54] <Kyral> I think I'll jump to Flux now :D
[03:54] <Kyral> brb
[03:59] <Kyral> Okay I'm just trying to put off homework now...
[04:08] <ajmitch> sigh, broken syncs
[04:09] <ajmitch> caused by broken ubuntu changes
[04:09] <LaserJock> ajmitch: like what?
[04:11] <ajmitch> LaserJock: libpqxx
[04:11] <ajmitch> unnecessary rename in breezy
[04:11] <ajmitch> so I have to add Conflicts/Replaces to the dapper package
[04:12] <ajmitch> which debian does not need
[04:12] <ajmitch> since debian did the c2 change without adding the c2 suffix
[04:12] <ajmitch> (rightly so)
[04:13] <minghua> ajmitch: c++ library but only exports C interface?
[04:13] <ajmitch_> SONAME change
[04:13] <xhaker> ajmitch, yeh.. i always thought renaming the packages is a bit silly
[04:13] <ajmitch_> so there was no earlier package to conflict with
[04:14] <ajmitch_> xhaker: it's not silly at all
[04:14] <ajmitch_> it's required to make sure you don't have randomly crashing apps
[04:14] <xhaker> of course
[04:14] <xhaker> but there are other ways of tacking
[04:14] <xhaker> tracking
[04:14] <xhaker> the version i.e:
[04:14] <xhaker> could be the +c2 version
[04:15] <xhaker> and not change the package name
[04:15] <ajmitch> no
[04:15] <ajmitch> because existing packages need to 'break'
[04:15] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I don't quite understand why the c2 version was added to Breezy
[04:15] <minghua> xhaker: that won't work
[04:15] <ajmitch> LaserJock: because the C++ ABI changed
[04:15] <xhaker> then a package that depends on the new ABI should depend on the +c2 version
[04:15] <xhaker> whats wrong with that?
[04:16] <minghua> xhaker: most library dependencies in debian are of (>= $version) form
[04:16] <ajmitch> xhaker: because you need to be able to upgrade the library & make sure that packages that use it are upgraded
[04:16] <LaserJock> so why was there no c2 in sid, because they didn't have an ABI change?
[04:16] <ajmitch> there's not a strict version dependency
[04:16] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes they did
[04:16] <ajmitch> in *this case*, the SONAME changed anyway
[04:17] <ajmitch> so they didn't need to append c2 to force an upgrade
[04:17] <xhaker> so how did they handled that? they seem to be fine without he package rename
[04:17] <ajmitch> xhaker: the package is renamed
[04:17] <xhaker> in debian?
[04:17] <ajmitch> but renamed with a new version, rather than the existing version & c2
[04:17] <ajmitch> for the case I'm talking about, yes
[04:18] <ajmitch> debian is doing things just the same way we are
[04:18] <ajmitch> doko is gcc overlord for both
[04:18] <xhaker> anyone running dapper 2.6.15 kernel with todays updates?
[04:18] <LaserJock> stupid question, but what does SONAME mean?
[04:19] <LaserJock> xhaker: I was but it was a bit broken ;-)
[04:19] <minghua> ajmitch: I wonder in this case if you/we can ask the debian maintainer to add a Confilicts/Replaces to -c2 packages in the Debian version
[04:19] <Kyral> I think its what libs are names
[04:19] <Kyral> .so?
[04:19] <ajmitch> minghua: I think I will
[04:19] <Amaranth> LaserJock: libfoo.so.6
[04:19] <ajmitch> LaserJock: shared object name
[04:19] <Amaranth> LaserJock: SONAME change means you start using libfoo.so.7
[04:19] <Amaranth> iirc
[04:19] <ajmitch> yep
[04:20] <Amaranth> and the package name would change from libfoo6 to libfoo7
[04:20] <Amaranth> so you wouldn't need a c2
[04:21] <LaserJock> ahhh, now I see. So the c2 is only added as needed?
[04:21] <ajmitch> LaserJock: yes
[04:21] <ajmitch> and we have to do c2a for some packages now
[04:22] <ajmitch> due to another libstdc++ change
[04:22] <Amaranth> yeah, i forgot why though
[04:22] <ajmitch> memory allocator, a rebuild will cause missing symbols
[04:22] <ajmitch> so apps need to be rebuilt, libs renamed
[04:22] <minghua> LaserJock: yes, adding c2 means two packages with the same libfoo.so.n, but different interface
[04:40] <StevenK> ajmitch: How do you suggest we test m-a?
[04:40] <ajmitch> by using it to build some modules
[04:41] <LaserJock> gpib is one I know of
[04:41] <ajmitch> since I don't have anything not in the default kernel
[04:42] <ogra> i doubt it will be compliant with the new architecture at all...
[04:45] <ajmitch> ogra: which is why I'm wary of uploading it as it stands
[04:45] <ogra> yup
[04:46] <ajmitch> great, new kernel & glibc at once
[04:46] <ajmitch> remind me not to reboot yet :)
[04:48] <Kyral> ajmitch: the kernel is stable
[04:49] <ajmitch> I'm sure it is
[04:49] <ajmitch> but I like having nvidia drivers
[04:50] <Kyral> It is there :P
[04:50] <ajmitch> new kernel ABI
[04:50] <ajmitch> so drivers will have to be rebuilt
[04:50] <Kyral> you just have to sudo modprobe -r nvidiafb && sudo modprobe nvidia
[04:51] <ajmitch> yeah, I'll pass
[04:51] <ajmitch> I'm lazy
[04:51] <Kyral> lol
[04:51] <ajmitch> I like a working system
[04:51] <ajmitch> which is why I run dapper
[04:51] <Kyral> lol
[04:51] <LaserJock> sorry for more stupid questions, what is ABI?
[04:51] <Kyral> Something Something Interface
[04:51] <jamessan> Application Binary, iirc
[04:52] <LaserJock> jamessan: thanks
[04:52] <Kyral> Application Binary Interface
[04:56] <StevenK> ajmitch: I have just built/tested 0.10.2 and it works.
[04:57] <StevenK> I can't build a module, but that's just due to gcc-3.4 not being installed.
[04:57] <StevenK> ajmitch: So, request a sync.
[05:29] <bmonty> good night everyone
[05:30] <Kyral> g'night
[05:36] <Trashcan> lol
[05:37] <Kyral> ??
[05:44] <crimsun> 'night, ogra
[05:44] <ogra> night
[07:27] <zakame> afternoon :)
[07:40] <crimsun> 'afternoon, zakame
[07:40] <Kyral> Night all
[07:40] <bojan> morning!
[07:41] <zakame> hi bojan , crimsun :)
[07:43] <sivang> morning !
[07:43] <crimsun> 'night, chris
[07:43] <crimsun> 'morning bojan, sivang
[07:47] <sivang> hey crimsun :)
[07:47] <sivang> hmm Fuddl seems to be coming for an IPv6 address
[07:48] <zakame> hello sivan
[07:54] <sivang> hey zakame , how is it going on the packaging arena?
[07:55] <zakame> sivang: here, just received my accepted syncs, now marking them as fixed... my email has been very slow lately :(
[07:56] <zakame> seems that lp hasn't updated the email forwarer yet, mail still goes to chi
[07:56] <crimsun> hmm, you might need to ping elmo on that
[07:56] <crimsun> not sure, though
[07:57] <zakame> I've posted this on #launchpad earlier, but nobody seems to be available atm :(
[07:58] <crimsun> not for a few more hours at least
[07:58] <crimsun> it's still quite early in the morning GMT
[07:58] <zakame> hehe yeah, quite early indeed
[07:59] <zakame> anyway I'll just wait, i still do receive the notices from spunge, but its awfully late :(
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:11] <zakame> morning dholbach :)
[08:12] <dholbach> hey zakame, fresh motu! :)
[08:12] <bojan> hi
[08:12] <dholbach> hey bojan :)
[08:13] <bojan> hi dholback
[08:13] <dholbach> bojan: how is it going?
[08:14] <bojan> dholbach: i am reading, reading and reading
[08:14] <dholbach> i hope you start trying stuff out soon :)
[08:14] <dholbach> the c++ allocator change should be something easy to start with
[08:15] <dholbach> bojan: maybe zakame knows a good example, where you could start?
[08:15] <bojan> dholbach, yes i am looking at the packages locally
[08:15] <dholbach> did you set up a pbuilder already?
[08:15] <bojan> dholbach: that's what i do at the moment
[08:15] <dholbach> cool
[08:16] <zakame> bojan: cool! keep up the good work! :)
[08:16] <bojan> zakame: i'll give my best :)
[08:17] <zakame> I think we have less than 200 packages to merge/sync now, so take a look, there's something for everybody :)
[08:17] <dholbach> wow, well done!
[08:17] <bojan> zakame: ok
[08:17] <zakame> ok, bbl, my folks need me to call them ;)
[08:23] <fabbione> morning guys
[08:23] <sivang> wow, already less then 200 pkgs?
[08:23] <fabbione> any motu alive?
[08:23] <sivang> morning fabbione
[08:24] <sivang> dholbach: if the c++ allocator is easy to start with, I'm interested - what do I need to do?
[08:25] <dholbach> hey fabbione
[08:25] <fabbione> guys
[08:25] <fabbione> libsnmp5-dev -> libsnmp9-dev transition
[08:25] <dholbach> fabbione: you want to talk about splitting out libraries in the motu school? :)
[08:25] <dholbach> fabbione: will create a list for it
[08:25] <fabbione>   php4-snmp
[08:25] <fabbione>   netmrg
[08:25] <fabbione>   mbrowse
[08:25] <fabbione>   libfwbuilder6c2
[08:25] <fabbione>   ksim
[08:25] <fabbione>   ifstat
[08:25] <fabbione>   fwbuilder-linux
[08:25] <fabbione>   fwbuilder-bsd
[08:25] <dholbach> oh you have it already :)
[08:25] <fabbione>   fwbuilder
[08:25] <fabbione>   cpqarrayd
[08:25] <fabbione>   cacti-cactid
[08:25] <fabbione> these are the pkgs in universe that need a rebuild
[08:26] <dholbach> rocknroll
[08:26] <fabbione> dholbach: that's just the output from apt-cache rdepends libsnmp5
[08:26] <dholbach> *nod*
[08:26] <fabbione> so it might be ok, it might be not
[08:26] <fabbione> main has been done already (module php5)
[08:26] <dholbach> will create a wiki page
[08:26] <fabbione> ah comeon
[08:26] <fabbione> it's like 10 pkgs
[08:26] <fabbione> you can do it in 10 minutes
[08:28] <fabbione> ok well
[08:28] <fabbione> dholbach: ehehe i might as well talk about it
[08:28] <dholbach> yeah, you enjoyed that :)
[08:29] <fabbione> yeah i enjoy larting^Wexplaning people
[08:29] <dholbach> that's what i thought back then
[08:29] <sivang> so, when are we gonna have a lesson?
[08:31] <fabbione> i could give a "talk" on the importance of not being lame in #ubuntu* channels :P
[08:31] <fabbione> or "how to use a gpg key properly"
[08:31] <sivang> fabbione: well, you just need to do what you did to me for anoyone who presents the same cluelessness as I have :-D
[08:32] <dholbach> ok, everybody who's new here, proceed to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniverseSNMPTransition
[08:32] <fabbione> actually
[08:32] <sivang> dholbach: that's about the relocator change?
[08:32] <fabbione> dholbach: that's the list of binary pkgs
[08:33] <fabbione> some of them have sources in main
[08:33] <sivang> fabbione: really, you scared the living shit out of me.
[08:33] <dholbach> gnar
[08:33] <fabbione> dholbach: go for the page :)
[08:33] <sivang> fabbione: main? cool, me like main :)
[08:33] <Mithrandir> dholbach: seriously, that's like five or eight source package.  Just fix them. :-P
[08:37] <dholbach> sorry guys
[08:37] <dholbach> i just had a look at the source packages and they were all done (one left)
[08:38] <dholbach> i'll ping you for something easy next time
[08:54] <ajmitch> hi all
[08:55] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[08:55] <ajmitch> how are you this morning, daniel?
[08:56] <dholbach> thanks, i'm fine
[08:56] <ajmitch> good :)
[08:56] <dholbach> quite happy with everybody signing up for ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com
[08:56] <ajmitch> yep
[08:56] <ajmitch> lots of new faces in #ubuntu-motu-school
[08:57] <ajmitch> we need to add something in the topic to point them here
[08:57] <ajmitch> I guess we wait for \sh_away :)
[08:57] <dholbach> packages without debhelper and cdbs?
[08:58] <ajmitch> yeah
[08:58] <ajmitch> I got stuck with that ;)
[08:58] <dholbach> you want to give them pain?
[08:58] <dholbach> :)
[08:58] <ajmitch> no idea why I suggested it, I wasn't intending to give the tutorial
[08:58] <dholbach> i see
[08:59] <dholbach> brb
[09:14] <lucas> I could give a tutorial about "ruby for python programmers", but I'm not so sure of the "IRC channel" format
[09:27] <crimsun> 'evening, ajmitch
[09:29] <ajmitch> hi crimsun, how are you?
[09:32] <crimsun> ajmitch: not too bad, working on a diff for hoary's and breezy's fuse
[09:32] <crimsun> ajmitch: yourself?
[09:33] <ajmitch> I'm alright, just reading through some wiki stuff
[09:34] <ajmitch> seems that my ISP is having a few issues today
[09:43] <jsgotangco> hi guys
[09:44] <ajmitch> hey jerome
[09:45] <jsgotangco> hey ajmitch how's it going?
[09:45] <ajmitch> good :)
[09:45] <ajmitch> how are you?
[09:50] <dholbach> hey jsgotangco
[09:50] <dholbach> when is your big day?
[09:50] <jsgotangco> tommorow
[09:50] <jsgotangco> i'm flying tonight at 11pm
[09:50] <jsgotangco> arrive at seoul around 5am
[09:50] <jsgotangco> and talk at 10am
[09:50] <jsgotangco> hehehe
[09:50] <dholbach> . o O { and types very slowly because of this }
[09:50] <raphink> :)
[09:50] <jsgotangco> its strange korea requires all countries to have a visa
[09:51] <jsgotangco> i could go into japan without a visa
[09:51] <jsgotangco> heh
[09:51] <ajmitch> jsgotangco: have a fun trip :)
[09:52] <jsgotangco> oh definitely
[09:53] <sivang> jsgotangco: what are you going to be doing in korea?
[09:54] <zakame> jsgotangco: rock the conf :)
[09:54] <jsgotangco> yeah i'll try not to be too crazy
[09:56] <siretart> morning
[09:56] <crimsun> 'morning, siretart
[09:56] <siretart> crimsun: how was your presentation yesterday?
[09:56] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[09:57] <zakame> hello siretart :)
[09:57] <crimsun> siretart: long, but at least I got free lunch :)
[09:58] <siretart> crimsun: :)
[09:58] <siretart> huhu ajmitch, hi zakame
[09:59] <siretart> zakame: you wait for elmo to get your key added, right?
[10:00] <zakame> siretart: yup, still waiting :)  but my email's crappy lately :'(
[10:12] <jsgotangco> bye bye
[10:13] <slomo_> hi everybody :)
[10:14] <ajmitch> hey slomo_
[10:15] <ajmitch> morning \sh
[10:16] <\sh> moins
[10:17] <zakame> hi \sh :)
[10:17] <slomo_> hi \sh
[10:17] <crimsun> 'morning, slomo_, \sh
[10:20] <\sh> moins
[10:24] <ajmitch> dholbach: review 'day' is next weekend, shall we have a MOTU meeting around then as well?
[10:25] <ajmitch> & we're scheduling motu school sessions ;)
[10:25] <dholbach> we should take this discussion to the mailing list
[10:25] <ajmitch> ok
[10:31] <lucas> what is the best way to request a merge ? is assigning a bug to the MUTO Merge Team enough, or should I ask elmo too ?
[10:32] <lucas> (see launchpad bug #5253 as an example)
[10:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5253: ruby (Ubuntu) - libgettext-ruby: merge new debian version In: libgettext-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5253
[10:32] <dholbach> a merge has to be done manually
[10:32] <dholbach> syncs are just requested in #ubuntu-devel, elmo does them
[10:32] <lucas> only syncing is needed
[10:32] <lucas> ok
[10:32] <dholbach> ok
[10:32] <dholbach> if he doesn't answer or do it for a day, write a mail
[10:32] <dholbach> to james.troup@
[10:33] <lucas> but if there's no emergency, will elmo eventually sync libgettext-ruby with only bug report #5253 ?
[10:33] <ajmitch> no
[10:33] <lucas> ok
[10:33] <ajmitch> elmo won't watch malone for thousands of merge bugs
[10:33] <ajmitch> and he will want the request to come from a MOTU
[10:34] <lucas> ok, so could sbody request the syncs of libgettext-ruby and libgtk-trayicon-ruby ?
[10:34] <lucas> (malone bug #5253 and malone bug #5255)
[10:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5253: ruby (Ubuntu) - libgettext-ruby: merge new debian version In: libgettext-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5253
[10:35] <ajmitch> but my ISP is having severe issues tonight
[10:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5255: trayicon-ruby (Ubuntu) - libgtk-trayicon-ruby: merge new debian version In: libgtk-trayicon-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Merge Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5255
[10:35] <ajmitch> at least irc works..
[10:35] <ajmitch> but http is nearly dead for anything out of NZ
[10:35] <lucas> what's the point in asking MOTURuby to work on merge if you have to double-check everything ?
[10:36] <ajmitch> because we can't just blindly ask for syncs based on someone's word?
[10:36] <ajmitch> syncs have broken before, I had to prepare a fix for one today
[10:36] <lucas> ok, so what's the difference with MOTURuby just doing nothing ? :-)
[10:37] <ajmitch> people are given upload rights for a reason - they are trusted to get things right
[10:37] <ajmitch> I would hope that people in MOTURuby would know ruby packaging better, and so come to a decision
[10:37] <ajmitch> it doesn't mean that we can't check them before putting our names to a sync
[10:37] <lucas> ?
[10:37] <lucas> what's the problem with ruby packaging ?
[10:38] <ajmitch> eg when I request a sync, and it breaks.. the blame falls on me
[10:38] <ajmitch> I didn't say there was a problem
[10:38] <ajmitch> I said that the ruby team should know ruby packaging
[10:38] <lucas> I do
[10:38] <ajmitch> like the mono team handles the mono packages
[10:38] <ajmitch> except now the mono team is comprised of all main uploaders :( (congrats slomo_ )
[10:38] <ajmitch> ;)
[10:38] <lucas> I'm part of the debian pkg-ruby-extras team, and have 2 ruby-related packages sponsored in debian (soon 3)
[10:39] <ajmitch> that's great
[10:39] <ajmitch> but I will still do a quick check of any sync for a non-MOTU who requests it :)
[10:42] <lucas> there seem to be a bottleneck here. motutools is waiting on REVU for a week now, with no useful comments. launchpad bug #5035 makes it impossible to use libgettext-ruby on breezy/amd64, and has a patch waiting. should I ask for Ubuntu membership to help things get going ? :-)
[10:42] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5035: ruby (Ubuntu) - shared library installed to incorrect directory on amd64 In: libgettext-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Reviewers Team, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5035
[10:44] <ajmitch> there's always a bottleneck when there's a small group of people
[10:45] <zakame> hehe, libmemcache has been there for more than two, but I'm not going to complain because I'm too busy having fun learning ;)
[10:46] <ajmitch> lucas: I'm sure you can see that there's more than just motutools waiting for review
[10:46] <ajmitch> but that's because reviewing is fairly time-intensive
[10:47] <lucas> I know
[10:47] <slomo_> bbl
[10:47] <zakame> speaking of motutools, is does lp have an xml interface now, or is it still email?
[10:48] <lucas> but this is frustrating to spend time working on stuff and don't see it going on because of bottlenecks I can do nothing to solve
[10:48] <ajmitch> email still, I think
[10:48] <ajmitch> lucas: and you work in debian? ;)
[10:48] <lucas> the pkg-ruby-extras team is doing great
[10:48] <lucas> I don't care much about the whole picture
[10:49] <ajmitch> I know that
[10:50] <siretart> lucas: we know these problems. I can assure you, the time I started working on universe, the situation wasn't better
[10:50] <siretart> lucas: to solve these, we have been writing tools like the Merge lookup page and revu.
[10:50] <lucas> so I should just request ubuntu membership ASAP to be able to help more efficiently ? :)
[10:51] <ajmitch> lucas: you need to be a MOTU to do uploads :)
[10:51] <ajmitch> if you became a MOTU, would you be willing to do reviews, sponsor uploads, etc?
[10:51] <lucas> but to be a MOTU, you need to be an ubuntu member, right ?
[10:52] <ajmitch> yes, once you have a 'sustained & significant contribution', judged by the community council
[10:52] <siretart> lucas: yes. but I'm sure, there will be more than just me to advocate your ubuntu membership the next CC meeting
[10:52] <lucas> ajmitch: to some extend, yes. I cannot work on Ubuntu 24/7, but I can still dedicate quite a lot of time to it
[10:52] <Ubugtu> Ubuntu Bugzilla bug #24: sysklogd: FTBFS on s390 - missing atomic_t / __KERNEL__ Product: Ubuntu, Component: sysklogd, Severity: normal, Assigned to: debzilla@ubuntu.com, Status: RESOLVED, Resolution: NOTWARTY https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=24
[10:52] <ajmitch> haha
[10:53] <ajmitch> silly Ubugtu
[10:53] <zakame> err
[10:53] <siretart> lol
[10:53] <ajmitch> obviously none of us apart from \sh work on it 24/7
[10:53] <ajmitch> I hardly do anything at all
[10:53] <siretart> haha
[10:55] <lucas> I'll be attending a conference during the next CC meeting. do one have to come to the meeting ?
[10:55] <ajmitch> good to see that I can still upload
[10:55] <ajmitch> since http is utterly broken for downloading
[10:55] <ajmitch> lucas: generally yes..
[10:55] <ajmitch> they can make exceptions sometimes
[10:55] <ajmitch> or you could wait until the next CC meeting
[10:58] <lucas> I'll think about it
[10:58] <ajmitch> they won't approve in absentia without some prior arrangement
[10:58] <lucas> who should I arrange with ? ;)
[10:59] <ajmitch> a CC member :)
[10:59] <lucas> ok
[10:59] <ajmitch> lookup the wiki/launchpad/website for who's in the team
[10:59] <lucas> doing that now
[11:31] <sistpoty> hi folks
[11:33] <crimsun> 'morning, sistpoty
[11:33] <sistpoty> hi crimsun
[12:02] <ajmitch_1> night all
[12:02] <sistpoty> night ajmitch_1:
[12:03] <ajmitch_1> too many ajmitch*
[12:03] <sistpoty> he
[12:03] <ajmitch__> :)
[12:03] <sistpoty> *g*
[12:04] <ajmitch__> ok, sleep time really ;)
[12:04] <sistpoty> sleep well
[12:05] <crimsun> 'night, ajmitch__
[12:29] <siretart> huhu sistpoty
[12:30] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[12:30] <siretart> sistpoty: I'm currently in class, will come after this excercise to the cafeteria (ca. 1400)
[12:30] <siretart> cool :)
[12:31] <sistpoty> siretart: ok, will see you then
[12:31] <siretart> makes fun, no?
[12:31] <sistpoty> siretart: no ;)... maybe you could review it before I'll upload it, let's see at 1400h
[12:32] <siretart> sistpoty: security uploads should always go with debdiff to security-review@lists.ubuntu.com first. pitty approves them then
[12:32] <siretart> pitti, that is
[12:32] <sistpoty> siretart: ah, ok
[12:34] <siretart> where are you atm?
[12:34] <sistpoty> siretart: at home
[12:35] <siretart> ok
[01:32] <sistpoty> cya later
[02:31] <zakame> evening all :)
[02:36] <dholbach> could somebody have a look at MOTUReportDraft please?
[02:36] <dholbach> else i'll write it on my own later :(
[02:36] <zakame> checking it out :)
[02:40] <\sh> dholbach: I'll write it later this evening...
[02:40] <\sh> if the points are ok on the draft...I'll take care
[02:40] <dholbach> i think there is more that happened
[02:40] <dholbach> we had quite an exciting month
[02:40] <Kyral> Mornign
[02:41] <dholbach> i enjoy writing it, but it's a bit painful to have 94 people in here and I have to find out what happened (and i always forget stuff) :)
[02:41] <dholbach> YAY
[02:42] <zakame> w00t
[02:42] <dholbach> merci \sh
[02:43] <\sh> I'll try to recall what happened to the MOTUs last month...
[02:43] <dholbach> me too
[02:43] <dholbach> on a dogwalk
[02:43] <\sh> hf :)
[02:43] <ogra> again ?`
[02:43] <zakame> hm, should I get the latest centericq from sid (4.21.0-7) to respond to DSA 912-1 (which notes fix in 4.21.0-4)?
[02:44] <dholbach> ogra: ?
[02:44] <\sh> zakame: centericq will be synced later this day..pitti requested it
[02:44] <ogra> dholbach, you jus left for one 5 min ago in the oher channel :P
[02:44] <dholbach> tssss
[02:44] <ogra> heh
[02:45] <zakame> \sh: yep, I know... I suppose I'll forward my debdiff then to julien to fix the rebuild prob... :)
[02:45] <\sh> ogra: could I ask you for a favour? Would you be so kind and prepare a lecture about the topic "How to build empty packages? Why are they needed and why are they important in some transitions."
[02:46] <ogra> but not this week anymore ...
[02:46] <\sh> ogra: no...for january most propaly
[02:47] <ogra> thats fine
[02:47] <\sh> propably even
[02:47] <\sh> ogra: some docs which we can publish would be rocking as well :) after the lecture :)
[02:47] <ogra> we just have to have the main merges finished this week, so i'm busy ... additionally Keybuk broke ltsp with his new iniramfs
[02:48] <\sh> ( cd tmp.glade && xvfb-run glade-2 -w g2banking.glade )
[02:48] <\sh> grmpf
[02:49] <\sh> xvfb-run is not in package xvfb anymore...and daniels will come back next week...it stops me from some important merges
[03:13] <lucas> I need some advice about bug #1299
[03:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #1299: ruby (Ubuntu) - Image.read(filename) eats characters from filename In: librmagick-ruby (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTURuby, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/1299
[03:25] <kiko> hey there guys
[03:25] <kiko> so there was some bouncemail from malone recently
[03:25] <kiko> Unknown user: lucas@yoway.imag.fr (Lucas Nussbaum)
[03:26] <lucas> yup, that was me
[03:26] <lucas> what do you mean, unknown user ?
[03:26] <lucas> the mail bounced when replying ?
[03:27] <kiko> yep
[03:27] <kiko> that email isn't registered
[03:27] <kiko> and I just sent you email there
[03:27] <kiko> and it bounced too:
[03:27] <kiko>     host imag.imag.fr [2001:660:5301:1e::101] : 553 5.1.2 <lucas@yoway.imag.fr>...
[03:27] <kiko> +yoway.imag.fr does not do mail
[03:28] <lucas> We discussed it yesterday when we figured out the problem
[03:28] <lucas> a script we use (lpbugs.py) doesn't set the envelope's From address, but only the From inside the mail
[03:28] <kiko> also
[03:28] <kiko> Unknown user: Andrew Mitchell <ajmitch@ajmitch.dhis.org>
[03:29] <lucas> I was running the script on my laptop, which I don't usually use to send mail
[03:29] <kiko> lucas, it's odd, still, to have a From: address you can't send mail to.
[03:29] <kiko> I see.
[03:29] <kiko> Unknown user: Zak B.Elep <zakame@ubuntu.com>
[03:30] <kiko> that's another one. zakame?
[03:30] <\sh> lucas: well...the envelope address is not set by the MUA ...
[03:31] <\sh> lucas: only from the mta...which you have to configure properly.
[03:31] <lucas> most MUAs allow to set the envelope from because you often can't configure your MTA
[03:31] <\sh> lucas: and thinking about this, and my postfix on my laptop is configured correctly and even my smtp server sets correct enevelops..it just works
[03:31] <\sh> lucas: well..that's why you can use a relay server with smtp auth
[03:32] <zakame> kiko: yes, I de-registered my @ubuntu.com addy after what it pointed to (spunge.org) went down
[03:32] <lucas> \sh: yes I know
[03:32] <lucas> but the sendmail transport could set the envelope from too
[03:32] <lucas> with sendmail -f I think
[03:32] <\sh> lucas: yes with rewriting
[03:32] <kiko> zakame, okay, just wanted to make sure you know the email is getting bounced
[03:32] <lucas> \sh: no
[03:33] <lucas>        -f sender
[03:33] <lucas>               Set the envelope sender  address.  This  is  the  address  where
[03:33] <lucas>               delivery problems are sent to. With Postfix versions before 2.1,
[03:33] <lucas>               the  Errors-To:  message  header  overrides  the  error   return
[03:33] <lucas>               address.
[03:33] <zakame> kiko: I now would like to have zakame@ubuntu.com point to zakame@gmail.com, but that doesn't seem to be working :(
[03:33] <kiko> zakame, what doesn't? gmail? or the ubuntu.com redirect?
[03:33] <\sh> lucas: are you sure that orig sendmail is doing the same? or exim?
[03:33] <\sh> lucas: or qmail?
[03:33] <lucas> I can check with exim, but not with the original sendmail
[03:34] <lucas> exim does it
[03:35] <lucas> I think it's quite standard
[03:35] <lucas> "quite" :)
[03:36] <zakame> kiko: the redirect... I was told earlier that I should put gmail as primary, but that didn't work either :(
[03:37] <kiko> zakame, can you file a launchpad bug on that?
[03:38] <lucas> \sh: anyway, you should put a note swhere in the readme about this. like "Use SMTP if you have some doubts about your MTA's config"
[03:38] <zakame> kiko: sure, np
[03:39] <kiko> thanks
[03:44] <zakame> kiko-fud: to products/launchpad/+bugs ?
[04:37] <kiko> zakame, yes
[04:41] <xerxas> root@spanishtown:/etc/apache2/sites-available# /etc/init.d/apache2 reload
[04:41] <xerxas>  * Reloading web server config...                                                                                             Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dav_fs.load:
[04:41] <xerxas> Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_fs.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_dav_fs.so: undefined symbol: dav_hook_gather_propsets
[04:41] <xerxas> do I need to report that ?
[04:41] <xerxas> malone ?
[04:41] <kiko> appears so
[04:41] <xerxas> thanks
[04:42] <xerxas> is there any webdav server  ?
[04:42] <xerxas> other than apache2 ?
[04:48] <Treenaks> uh
[04:49] <xerxas> bug reported
[05:33] <dholbach> slomo, ajmitch, tseng: you can package chronojump from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/chronojump/04/ - another member in the mono family :)
[05:39] <slomo_> oh no... siretart left 3 minutes ago :/
[05:39] <slomo_> Kyral: ping?
[05:47] <rave_> siretart ?
[05:51] <rave_> guys, who likes my suggestion for a new MOTU logo ?
[05:51] <rave_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTULogo
[05:52] <azeem> rave_: it's "Ubuntu Linux", not "Ununtu Linux"
[05:52] <rave_> i know
[05:52] <azeem> eh, that pertains to the logos at http://www.rosiello.net/PROP/
[05:53] <rave_> thats why i fixed the logo on the wiki it selfs
[05:53] <slomo_> rave_: apart from that i like logo1 more ;)
[05:53] <azeem> rave_: yeah, saw it too late, sorry
[05:53] <rave_> im using the one on the main wiki MOTUlogo for a paper im writing about patching bugs
[05:53] <azeem> rave_: the logo on the pinguin's belly looks pretty artificial, it is not bend nor shaded
[05:53] <azeem> but I guess that would be hard
[05:54] <rave_> yeah i tryed to bent it
[05:57] <rave_> i have some new 1s 2
[05:57] <rave_> let me upload them
[05:59] <rave_> ok i added new fles azeem
[06:00] <azeem> well, I am not a big fan of logos with animals or persons on it, anyway
[06:00] <rave_> :|
[06:01] <rave_> thats why you like logo1
[06:01] <rave_> :)
[06:01] <azeem> that was slomo
[06:01] <rave_> oooh
[06:01] <rave_> ok
[06:01] <rave_> my bad :)
[06:01] <azeem> but for some more practical criticism: I think the light grey shadow should be much nearer to the black text, sword
[06:02] <azeem> (and I think the sword does not convey any special meaning for MOTU)
[06:02] <azeem> you could add a fork, if you want :P
[06:02] <rave_> its the hero`s
[06:02] <azeem> ah
[06:02] <rave_> the heros part
[06:03] <dholbach> azeem: anything you want to say? fork-wise? ;)
[06:03] <azeem> nah, just teasing
[06:15] <dholbach> i see :)
[06:29] <dholbach> can everybody who intends to become a motu soon say his real name please
[06:31] <Kyral> I intend to become a MOTU....soon though?
[06:31] <dholbach> soon doesnt have to be next week ;)
[06:31] <Kyral> lol
[06:31] <hunger> Kyral: I want to get some stuff into ubuntu... but becoming a motu?
[06:31] <Kyral> Chris Peterman
[06:32] <dholbach> i'll add you guys to the motu report :)
[06:32] <hunger> dholbach: Tobias Hunger
[06:32] <azeem> dholbach: you cheated, hunger ...
[06:32] <azeem> hrm
[06:32] <azeem> disregard that
[06:32] <hunger> dholbach: I'll work "offline" though, so no need to add me.
[06:33] <dholbach> nevermind :)
[06:34] <dholbach> rave_: are you johnny mast?
[06:35] <rave_> dholbach yes
[06:35] <dholbach> and rave_ is your normal nick?
[06:35] <rave_> yep
[06:35] <dholbach> cool
[06:36] <dholbach> i'll add it to the motu report too
[06:36] <rave_> :)
[06:36] <rave_> why`s that ?
[06:37] <rave_> what ?
[06:37] <rave_> ow the logo ?
[06:37] <dholbach> i'll save the page in some minutes
[06:37] <dholbach> then you can have a look
[06:37] <rave_> ok
[06:37] <rave_> btw for the english guys
[06:37] <rave_> the menu "terminal" is in on genome whats it called in english ?
[06:37] <rave_> Programs -> ?? -> Terminal
[06:38] <Kyral> slomo_: you awake?
[06:38] <slomo_> sure
[06:38] <Kyral> Checkout EasyChem
[06:38] <Kyral> please :D
[06:38] <slomo_> url please :P
[06:38] <Kyral> its on REVU :P
[06:38] <slomo_> <--- lazy ;)
[06:39] <azeem> slomo_: you should write an automatic REVU reviewer
[06:39] <Kyral> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1049
[06:39] <rave_> is it "resources" ?
[06:39] <slomo_> azeem: good idea... but i don't know how :(
[06:40] <azeem> rave_: isn't it called Terminal as well?
[06:40] <azeem> rave_: not totally sure what you mean, though
[06:40] <rave_> i need the sub menu name
[06:40] <rave_> in gnome
[06:41] <rave_> im using the dutch language in gnome
[06:41] <rave_> Programs -> ?? -> terminal window
[06:42] <slomo_> Kyral: hmm, you used the patching-by-hand example by \sh... this is not the best solution (i.e. a dry-run before, checking at different levels if it applies cleanly, etc would be better)... but ok, it works if you're carefull ;)
[06:42] <xhaker> rave_, Terminal
[06:42] <Kyral> So?
[06:42] <xhaker> it's Applications -> Acessories -> Terminal
[06:42] <rave_> Bingo !
[06:43] <rave_> your simply the best !
[06:43] <xhaker> <insert random tina turner tune here>
[06:43] <xhaker> :)
[06:43] <rave_> lol
[06:43] <Kyral> slomo_: is it up to spec though?
[06:44] <slomo_> Kyral: up to spec? hmm, maybe add "Copyright Holder:" above the "Copyright (c) ...." line
[06:46] <Kyral> ah okay...
[06:46] <slomo_> Kyral: and the watchfile is missing ;)
[06:46] <Kyral> I know I know lol
[06:47] <slomo_> did you create the logo?
[06:48] <rave_> who ?
[06:48] <Kyral> yah
[06:49] <rave_> i creates that one on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTULogo and those on http://www.rosiello.net/PROP
[06:50] <slomo_> rave_: i meant Kyral :)
[06:50] <rave_> im sorry
[06:51] <Kyral> You like?
[06:51] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft
[06:52] <Kyral> So is it worth advocating?
[06:52] <rave_> jeej :)
[06:53] <dholbach> could you please all proofread and tell me if i forgot something
[06:53] <slomo_> Kyral: i'm waiting for it to finish building ;)
[06:53] <Kyral> on your system?
[06:54] <Kyral> so...if I want to force a downgrade to breezy, I apt-pin to Breezy repos and do a dselect upgrade
[06:55] <\sh> dholbach: the next session of ubuntu-motu-school will be held on 2005-12-10
[06:55] <Nafallo> dholbach: slomo for main? :-)
[06:55] <slomo_> Kyral: change those two things and you have my vote :)
[06:55] <\sh> time has to be announced
[06:55] <dholbach> Nafallo: right
[06:55] <dholbach> \sh: yes
[06:55] <Kyral> Gah do I REALLY need a Watchfile?
[06:55] <Kyral> and the whole thing about SourceForge doesn't work
[06:56] <slomo_> Kyral: it works for one of my packages... but if you don't want it... ok, your decision :P but the other thing would be nice and not much work
[06:56] <Kyral> I'll set an RSS feed to the page
[06:56] <Kyral> it will be easier for me to remember then the uscan
[06:57] <\sh> dholbach: it looks like that you can send it out to the world :)
[06:58] <slomo_> Kyral: ok :) add that line to copyright and you have my vote ;)
[06:58] <Kyral> okay
[06:58] <Kyral> other people feel free to look at it :D
[06:58] <dholbach> ok, updated it
[06:58] <dholbach> please proofread
[06:58] <dholbach> especially native speakers
[06:59] <azeem> dholbach: "Soon we could have a map with the countries the cover..." <- looks weird
[06:59] <dholbach> azeem: right
[06:59] <Nafallo> "Soon we could have a map with the countries the cover..."
[06:59] <Nafallo> we cover? :-)
[06:59] <Nafallo> oh, to late :-P
[07:00] <dholbach> better?
[07:00] <Nafallo> yepp :-)
[07:01] <slomo_> dholbach: looks fine except "how much we of the 'Universe' we cover already."
[07:01] <slomo_> dholbach: remove the first 'we' :)
[07:01] <dholbach> arglargl yes
[07:02] <dholbach> so you're all sure i didn't forget anything? anyone? :)
[07:08] <dholbach> any mistakes, missing/wrong information is now YOUR fault
[07:08] <dholbach> i send it out
[07:09] <\sh> dholbach: grin
[07:12] <ogra> if [ "`ls /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7/perllocal.pod`" != "/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.7/perllocal.pod" ] ; then
[07:12] <ogra> *superbiggrin*
[07:12] <dholbach> done
[07:13] <\sh> prost
[07:13] <slomo_> ogra: nice one :)
[07:13] <\sh> btw...only to your information....
[07:14] <ogra> slomo_, thats froma script i just got ... 2402 lines like the above
[07:15] <\sh> I have a request of one ubuntu fellow, if it is ok, that she can announce the ubuntu motu school project to linuxchix...I said yes, and I asked politely if she can manage that we can get one or two of the members to have lecture for ubuntu motu school as well..
[07:16] <\sh> we will see, what will happen..
[07:16] <dholbach> cool
[07:16] <\sh> the response to this project is WOW UNBELIEVABLE
[07:17] <\sh> thx to kyral who is the one who inspired by crazy brain :)
[07:17] <\sh> s/by/my/
[07:20] <slomo_> \sh: but you should do a second lesson about patching... teaching how do improve the patch/unpatch targets you teached yesterday ;) (i.e. dry-run, testing at different levels, stamps for each patch/reversing only applied ones in unpatch, etc) ;)
[07:20] <\sh> slomo_: yes...I'll do it after ajmitch hold his lesson :)
[07:21] <\sh> slomo_: yesterday it was just "a stupid idea" to show at least the "beginning" and not the "end" (cdbs)
[07:21] <rave_> im writing a paper about patching
[07:21] <slomo_> \sh: perfect :) because kyral has your targets in his easychem package now... sure, they work... but one could do better ;)
[07:22] <slomo_> \sh: i'm really interested in ajmitch's lessons... i've never done a package completly without debhelper
[07:22] <\sh> slomo_: sure...to be honest, i'm using those rules as well in xterm, because I know what I patched ,)
[07:22] <\sh> slomo_: but you are right, I will improve my lesson...and write a paper :)
[07:23] <mpt> Is there an ubuntu-motu mailing list?
[07:24] <\sh> yes
[07:24] <rave_> yep
[07:24] <mpt> I don't see it mentioned on the MOTU wiki pages anywhere
[07:24] <dholbach> good call
[07:24] <rave_> [8]  ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:24] <rave_> [9]  http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu
[07:24] <dholbach> who does it?
[07:24] <ogra> mpt, its not even a week old :)
[07:24] <rave_> it came from the report draft
[07:25] <mpt> ok, ta
[07:25] <rave_> mpt: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUReportDraft
[07:25] <rave_> thats the latest status
[07:26] <mpt> rave_, that doc contains nothing
[07:26] <rave_> press pgDn a few times
[07:28] <rave_> any one want to help in the paching paper on wiki ?
[07:29] <mpt> it still contains nothing, but never mind, thanks for the previous answer
[07:29] <mpt> tchau
[07:37] <rave_> any one interested in reverse engeneering the netwalkman NW-HD1 file type with me ?
[07:38] <rave_> this could add support for this sony mp3 walkman to universe
[07:49] <\sh> slomo_: can u provide a ppc pbuilder for me?
[07:50] <slomo_> \sh: not really... my only ppc is my ibook and it's always on the road :/ sorry... when i get a mac mini next year you can get one :)
[07:51] <\sh> slomo_: no problem...just trying to fix ctsim :)
[07:51] <slomo_> \sh: don't worry about ctsim... it's on my todo list :)
[07:52] <\sh> slomo_: ok..trying to get rid of my not fixed merges :)
[07:52] <slomo_> assign it to me if you want ;)
[07:52] <ogra> slomo_, did you notice that you still have an open main merge ?
[07:55] <slomo_> ogra: you mean gtk-sharp? yes... i have it ready but i wanted to wait for debian to add one of my patches to keep the delta as small as possible... i have time for it until UVF, correct?
[07:59] <ogra> slomo_, deadline for main merges is today
[07:59] <siretart> ogra: today? when is UVF?
[07:59] <dholbach> ogra: can you add mako, zakame and bmonty to the motu team or will they have to join themselves?
[07:59] <dholbach> ogra: for the first push of them
[08:00] <dholbach> ogra: after that mom will run again
[08:00] <slomo_> ogra: fine, do you want to upload it for me in some minutes? ;)
[08:01] <slomo_> siretart: 19.01.
[08:01] <siretart> intersting
[08:01] <dholbach> the deadline was today, so we could catch up
[08:01] <ogra> slomo_, see Kamions mail to devel
[08:02] <ogra> dholbach, hmm, id rather ask tem to klick the join link ...
[08:02] <dholbach> ogra: ok
[08:02] <dholbach> then i'll do that
[08:05] <ogra> ll happily approve them
[08:14] <sistpoty> hi folks
[08:14] <slomo_> hi sistpoty
[08:14] <minghua> hi sistpoty
[08:15] <minghua> sistpoty: I am starting to learn using your lpbugs.py tool :-)
[08:15] <sistpoty> hehe, cool minghua... but lpbugs was written by \sh (and siretart)... I only wrote the frontend
[08:15] <sistpoty> (webpage)
[08:17] <minghua> sistpoty: oh I see.  I naively thought the frontend and the tool should have the same author :-(
[08:18] <sistpoty> minghua: no, but still we all work together on this, and the webfrontend is based on some things siretart and /me wrote for revu2... so basically we all work together ;)
[08:31] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ping?
[08:31] <rave> &@*!@ connection
[08:31] <sistpoty> LaserJock: pong
[08:32] <LaserJock> sistpoty: you worked on the libghemical merge right?
[08:32] <sistpoty> LaserJock: yes, and I requested a sync this morning
[08:32] <rave> did any one replyed to me ?
[08:33] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ok, I just wondered if you saw that there was a new upstream release
[08:33] <rave> on how to create a code box on wiki ?
[08:34] <sistpoty> LaserJock: actually azeem did the sync from debian side... so I didn't bother that hard
[08:34] <sistpoty> s/sync/merge
[08:35] <sistpoty> btw.: thx. azeem :)
[08:35] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ok, I was going to look at it myself but I new a new release was coming so I waited. Too long I guess, since you beat me too it  ;-)
[08:36] <sistpoty> hehe, as written above... I only test-builded and requested the sync ;)
[08:44] <ajmitch> morning
[08:44] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[08:44] <slomo_> hi ajmitch
[08:44] <rave> morning ajmitch
[08:46] <xhaker> someone should upload gstreamer0.8-cdio with libcdio6
[08:47] <herve> hello
[08:48] <crimsun> I just keep having the worst luck today
[08:49] <\sh> crimsun: that can't be
[08:49] <xhaker> crimsun, why is that?
[08:51] <crimsun> earlier udev troubles were fixed with a later udev update, so I finally fixed firmware loading for my M-Audio card, but right before I hibernated I updated to the latest udev version, which is now broken again, which ended up with a ext3 / fs hosed, had to e2fsck, which failed, so I had to boot to Windows to create a DSL usb device
[08:51] <ajmitch> sigh, looks like I have to kill \sh
[08:51] <ajmitch> he was such a nice guy, too
[08:51] <\sh> *g*
[08:51] <\sh> ajmitch: doesn't matter
[08:51] <\sh> ajmitch: I'm dead in any way you can imagine
[08:52] <ajmitch> \sh: Australia != New Zealand. Really
[08:52] <\sh> ah damn
[08:52] <\sh> I was wondering...something is wrong
[08:52] <ajmitch> haha
[08:52] <\sh> I'll fix it after I wrote my CV
[08:52] <ajmitch> why are you dead?
[08:52] <ajmitch> uh oh
[08:52] <ajmitch> that doesn't sound promising
[08:53] <StevenK> ajmitch: You saw my messages WRT m-a?
[08:53] <\sh> i tell you...I'm in a good mood...really...I'm so pissed...but nothing to worry about...I just found a nice place under a bridge in cologne with wireless lan connection
[08:53] <ajmitch> \sh: nice running water, too?
[08:53] <ajmitch> StevenK: yeah
[08:53] <\sh> ajmitch: sure the "Rhine"
[08:53] <ajmitch> StevenK: 'testing' it is mainly using it to build a module
[08:54] <ajmitch> \sh: clean enough to swim in, drink, etc? :)
[08:54] <StevenK> ajmitch: Er, the message after that. :-)
[08:54] <ogra> its currently -2C in germany any snowy ... you can build an igloo :)
[08:54] <\sh> ajmitch: i'm not sure, but does it matter, when you can't buy mineral water, you will drink even your pee...,)
[08:54] <\sh> ogra: hahaha
[08:54] <ajmitch> StevenK: what did I miss? "_
[08:55] <ajmitch> \sh: so is your current job looking a little shaky?
[08:55] <sistpoty> brrr... I think I test the -2C and go out for a smoke
[08:55] <StevenK> [14:53]  < StevenK> ajmitch: I have just built/tested 0.10.2 and it works.
[08:55] <StevenK> [14:54]  < StevenK> I can't build a module, but that's just due to gcc-3.4 not being installed.
[08:55] <StevenK> [14:54]  < StevenK> ajmitch: So, request a sync.
[08:55] <ajmitch> yeah, the "can't build a module" is what I was referring to
[08:55] <ajmitch> wondering what test you did
[08:56] <StevenK> I can install gcc-3.4 and try it again.
[08:56] <\sh> ajmitch: well...it's a good idea to search now...because we actually don't know what will happen just before the 24th of dec
[08:56] <ogra> ajmitch, they pay very good gratuities ...
[08:56] <ajmitch> it's mainly to check that it still gets the right kernel headers
[08:56] <StevenK> It had to install them, which it did.
[08:56] <ajmitch> \sh: and you're still a bit young for a retirement home :)
[08:57] <\sh> ajmitch: not in germany...I'll be 35 next month...so for germany i'm old
[08:57] <ajmitch> not that old
[08:57] <ajmitch> still young enough to find a job & work for the next 40 years
[08:57] <\sh> still 30 years until the real retirement time...
[08:57] <ajmitch> yep
[08:58] <\sh> my plan was to work only up to 50 and then be rich like hell...but I think I have to change plans
[08:58] <ajmitch> heh
[08:58] <ajmitch> I don't think I have a chance of that
[08:59] <ajmitch> before I have to start looking for bridges
[08:59] <\sh> ajmitch: is your company hiring?
[08:59] <ajmitch> no
[08:59] <ajmitch> well they are
[08:59] <ajmitch> if you like php
[09:00] <tseng> and living in new zealand
[09:00] <\sh> ajmitch: well...I wrote my first eShop in clipper...and after that I wrote everything in PHP and Perl
[09:00] <ajmitch> that too
[09:00] <\sh> this is not that bad
[09:00] <azeem> \sh: "this" being PHP or New Zealand?
[09:00] <\sh> azeem: both
[09:01] <azeem> ah :)
[09:01] <tseng> \sh: i dont think you experience the connectivity in the pacific rim at UDU
[09:01] <tseng> +d
[09:01] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: uhm, have you lost any bridges lately?  Since you need to go looking for them?
[09:01] <\sh> i mean..it doesn't matter what language or what country...actually to have a job is much more interesting
[09:01] <\sh> and my english is so bad, that I can even understand new zealand-ish
[09:02] <\sh> ,)
[09:02] <ajmitch> Mithrandir: somewhere warm to sleep
[09:02] <ajmitch> \sh: we speak english here?
[09:02] <Mithrandir> ajmitch: it's just more dry under bridges, not warmer.
[09:03] <ajmitch> depends if you get it out of the wind
[09:03] <\sh> ajmitch: dunno...I never been to NZ
[09:10] <dholbach> Lathiat: you there?
[09:10] <dholbach> Lathiat: #ubuntu-meeting, if you are
[09:11] <Kyral> Hmm, is anyone else on Dapper having LRM Common failing to finish setting up?
[09:12] <LaserJock> Kyral: yep
[09:12] <Kyral> Okay so its not just me :D
[09:13] <Kyral> and it seems udev is slower than HotPlug
[09:13] <torkel> Kyral: add a ! to the first line in /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-restricted-modules-common.postinst
[09:13] <Kyral> ah
[09:14] <Kyral> so it should read
[09:14] <Kyral> !set -e
[09:14] <torkel> no. It should read #!/bin/sh
[09:14] <Kyral> ah lol
[09:14] <torkel> not #/bin/sh
[09:14] <Kyral> I didn't notice the malformed Shabang
[09:15] <Kyral> Wait, isn't a shabang supposed to be !#
[09:15] <torkel> no
[09:15] <Kyral> Okay
[09:15] <LaserJock> Kyral: ! is the bang
[09:16] <Kyral> Fixed it
[09:21] <ajmitch> dholbach: it'll be early morning for Lathiat
[09:21] <dholbach> ok
[09:23] <ajmitch> oh well
[09:26] <Kyral> hmm
[09:26] <Kyral> Is it better to set with XBindKeys, or setup though fluxbox's startup
[09:29] <StevenK> root@broken:/# ls -lh /usr/src/ddrmat-2.6.15-5-k7_0.12-1+2.6.15-5.7_i386.deb
[09:29] <StevenK> -rw-r--r-- 1 root src 7.3K Dec  1 20:25 /usr/src/ddrmat-2.6.15-5-k7_0.12-1+2.6.15-5.7_i386.deb
[09:29] <rave_> any protocol hackers ?
[09:29] <StevenK> ajmitch: That do you?
[09:29] <ajmitch> yeah, looks reasonable :)
[09:29] <StevenK> -k7 since -k7-smp doesn't seem to exist in dapper. :-(
[09:29] <ajmitch> no, the kernels are unified now, iirc
[09:30] <Tonio_> evening
[09:30] <Kyral> Does K7-SMP even exist PERIOD?
[09:30] <ajmitch> so 1 kernel for UP & SMP
[09:30] <ajmitch> Kyral: the hardware has existed for quite awhile
[09:30] <StevenK> ajmitch: The progress dialog box while building doesn't work properly - but that just a huge hack in the first place.
[09:30] <Kyral> ajmitch: ah. I just never saw a K7 with SMP
[09:30] <StevenK> steven@broken:~% grep model\ name /proc/cpuinfo
[09:30] <StevenK> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
[09:30] <StevenK> model name      : AMD Athlon(tm) Processor
[09:30] <StevenK> Now you have,
[09:31] <StevenK> s/,/./
[09:31] <rave_> i mean reverce engeneers
[09:31] <ajmitch> athlon MP
[09:31] <ajmitch> rave_: why?
[09:32] <Mithrandir> I have a pile of K7 SMP boxes.
[09:32] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Only because you sleep with AMD peoples.
[09:33] <Mithrandir> StevenK: no, that's the reason why I have a 2x275 setup
[09:33] <Kyral> MP
[09:33] <Kyral> ah
[09:33] <StevenK> ajmitch: elmo's around, request a sync!
[09:37] <ajmitch> StevenK: requested
[09:38] <StevenK> I think my wiki page has read 'Sync requested' for m-a since yesterday afternoon. ;-)
[09:40] <ajmitch> yes, it did
[09:42] <rave_> does any if there is a patch to the webcam issue ?
[09:44] <StevenK> Eeek, now there's two of them!
[09:44] <ajmitch> ?
[09:45] <StevenK> [07:37]  < ajmitch> ; [07:40]  * ajmitch__
[09:45] <ajmitch> and..?
[09:45] <\sh> http://linux.blogweb.de/cv/cv.html
[09:45] <StevenK> I didn't see a nick change. I'm just being silly, feel free to ignore me.
[09:45] <\sh> i think this is enough
[09:46] <ajmitch> \sh: looks much better than my CV
[09:46] <Kyral> slomo_: ping
[09:46] <\sh> ajmitch: the style doesn't matter..the content is important :)
[09:46] <slomo_> Kyral: pong
[09:46] <Kyral> made that addition to EasyChem, check REVU in a couple minutes
[09:47] <slomo_> ok, will do :)
[09:47] <ajmitch> \sh: I was talking about content ;)
[09:47] <Kyral> gracias
[09:47] <\sh> ajmitch: oh :)
[09:48] <StevenK> Only because ajmitch's CV is full of PHP.
[09:48] <ajmitch> to my eternal shame
[09:49] <StevenK> I've managed to hack three PHP pages. In total. One of them was '<? phpinfo(); ?>
[09:49] <StevenK> s/\'//
[09:49] <Kyral> Gah...is beagle busted for anyone else?
[09:49] <dsas> tsk tsk, short tags on? :p
[09:50] <StevenK> dsas: Bugger off. :-P
[09:51] <dsas> ;)
[09:51] <LaserJock> \sh: so your birthday is coming up in a little bit
[09:52] <rave_> ajmitch because my cam freezes as well
[09:52] <ajmitch> rave_: right, but it doesn't sound like a motu issue )
[09:53] <rave_> no but i wanted to see if any one knew if there was a patch
[09:54] <ajmitch> asking if there's a patch for 'my webcam doesn't work' isn't too productive :)
[09:54] <slomo_> *sigh* Kyral always disappears when i want to tell him something...
[09:55] <ajmitch> have you filed it as a bug?
[09:55] <rave_> some one else did
[09:57] <\sh> LaserJock: yes
[09:58] <\sh> :) http://linux.blogweb.de/archives/147-HELP-Searching-A-New-Job-!!!.html
[09:58] <LaserJock> \sh: we should have a party or something. I know, a "let \sh fixes all the universe bugs" party :-)
[09:58] <\sh> The best thing I can do :)
[09:59] <\sh> LaserJock: there is only one problem
[10:00] <ajmitch> LaserJock: don't burn him out
[10:00] <\sh> LaserJock: I never celebrate my birthday again ... the last time I did it was when I turned 18
[10:00] <Kyral> I seem to sense a pattern with udev..
[10:01] <LaserJock> \sh: well, I can understand. Mine was on Nov. 18th and I just worked in the lab and was trying to help here.
[10:01] <Kyral> the first time you load something, its slow..
[10:01] <Kyral> then its as if its loaded it into RAM or something
[10:01] <LaserJock> ajmitch: your right. It would be a terrible thing to burn out \sh
[10:03] <\sh> well..this takes time to burn me out
[10:03] <dholbach> good night motus
[10:04] <\sh> I worked for actually 3 years 24h a day without holidays...so I'm used to it :)
[10:04] <\sh> cu dholbach
[10:04] <ajmitch> night dholbach
[10:04] <sistpoty> night dholbach:
[10:06] <ajmitch> \sh: heh, so you already gave your cv to sabdfl? ;)
[10:07] <\sh> ajmitch: I send him my cv via email and I don't mind :)
[10:07] <ajmitch> it's the sort of job I'd like, if I could handle the stress ;)
[10:07] <\sh> ajmitch: actually it wasn't an application...
[10:08] <\sh> ajmitch: only information that if they need someone..and right now they need someone which is not me :)
[10:08] <ajmitch> not a formal application
[10:09] <\sh> ajmitch: you read the employment offer of canonical?
[10:09] <ajmitch> the QA engineer?
[10:09] <\sh> yepp
[10:12] <\sh> ajmitch: i think u r
[10:12] <ajmitch> no, it requires some serious QA knowledge
[10:12] <ajmitch> someone who knows how to design a decent test system
[10:13] <lifeless> hmmm
[10:13] <ajmitch> lifeless: I thought you'd started doing some of that?
[10:13] <lifeless> I will be helping anyone doing QA
[10:13] <\sh> ajmitch: hehe..."hey what is wrong about trial and error"
[10:13] <ajmitch> right
[10:14] <lifeless> \sh: its not repeatable
[10:14] <ajmitch> \sh: you didn't talk with lifeless enough at UBZ ;)
[10:14] <lifeless> \sh: which means you cannot validate the results on different machines, you cannot automate it, you cannot use the results in a meaningful way, you do not get any confidence in the code base
[10:14] <\sh> ajmitch: I prepared some nice QA tools for lycos...so I know :)
[10:15] <lifeless> the QA engineer is not about building test systems
[10:15] <ajmitch> I wonder if there's time for me to try & do some bounties before freeze
[10:15] <lifeless> I mean, if they can - great - but thats in the ideal section
[10:16] <\sh> lifeless: well..sabdfl has all informations about me...and I'm not the right person for this job..so I didn't apply for it...I have reasons :)
[10:17] <Kyral> ping slomo_
[10:17] <lifeless> I'm not pressuring you to ;). I'm just clarifying - if we get someone that can build a system, cool. But we have a tonne of folk that can build things, a much smaller group that understand testing methodologies, etc
[10:17] <slomo_> Kyral: please revert the change and only add a line saying "Copyright Holder:" above ;) the line with the name etc is already ok
[10:18] <\sh> lifeless: I know...
[10:18] <ajmitch> lifeless: by building a test system, I was meaning someone that understood what is needed
[10:19] <slomo_> Kyral: change it and you get my vote tomorrow :) need to sleep now
[10:19] <slomo_> gn8 everybody :)
[10:19] <Kyral> So replace "Copyright (c)" by "Copyright Holder"
[10:19] <slomo_> siretart: expect mplayer to be finished today
[10:19] <sistpoty> gn8 slomo_:
[10:20] <Kyral> cya
[10:20] <slomo_> Kyral: no... leave that line alone and add a additional line above it saying "Copyright Holder:"
[10:21] <Kyral> done and uploaded
[10:21] <slomo_> Kyral: ok, fine :)
[10:24] <\sh> well..if I don't find anything in IT anymore..I'll clean streets with a broomstick...
[10:24] <dredg> \sh: where are you based?
[10:24] <\sh> dredg: germany>?
[10:24] <dredg> yeah, but where? :)
[10:24] <\sh> dredg: near cologne
[10:24] <dredg> hm, ok
[10:24] <\sh> 20mins from cologne
[10:25] <dredg> have a look here: http://www.google.de/jobs/ and if there's anything you are interested in i will put your cv in for it
[10:25] <dredg> and if not, there are other jobs in other countries if you are prepared to relocate
[10:29] <herve> nighty night
[10:30] <dredg> find a job you like, send me your cv and i'll send it directly to a recruiter
[10:30] <dredg> i'm based in the ireland office, which is the eu hq so most of the european jobs are here
[10:31] <dredg> but there are jobs in uk, de and ch too
[10:31] <dredg> not to mention usa :)
[10:31] <\sh> Technical Support Engineer, Enterprise
[10:31] <Mithrandir> and .no
[10:31] <dredg> oh yeah. forgot about .no
[10:31] <Mithrandir> it's a new one, so you're forgiven. :-)
[10:32] <\sh> dredg: relocation is not the problem :)
[10:32] <Nafallo> ah, they are not based here.
[10:32] <Nafallo> never mind me ;-)
[10:32] <dredg> nsheridan@gmail.com plaintext cv preferred but other formats not a problem
[10:33] <\sh> java and javascript is more the problem :) but this is easy to learn...just two more languages I have in my brain :)
[10:33] <dredg> the more interesting jobs in europe would probably be in ireland, as we have more staff here
[10:34] <ajmitch> dredg: and they speak english there :)
[10:34] <dredg> yes. yes we do :)
[10:35] <\sh> and the beer is good, too :)
[10:35] <\sh> (and even the whisky)
[10:35] <dredg> oh come on. you're in germany
[10:35] <dredg> the beer sucks here
[10:35] <ajmitch> I think it's fairly easy for NZ citizens to get a irish work visa
[10:35] <\sh> dredg: I like guiness, kilkenny and even Cider
[10:36] <\sh> dredg: question...are you building something in ZA?
[10:36] <dredg> not that i'm aware
[10:37] <\sh> dredg: k..ascii prefered or Openoffice format?
[10:37] <dredg> ascii
[10:38] <\sh> dredg: cool :) I'll send an application and CV tomorrow (around 13 UTC+1) to your email address :)
[10:38] <\sh> dredg: thanks for the hint...
[10:39] <dredg> great. just tell me which job you want to be put forward for and i'll put your cv in tomorrow
[11:07] <lucas> zyga: you there ?
[11:09] <Kyral> lol
[11:09] <Kyral> you want me to learn Ruby?
[11:10] <lucas> that would be a very good idea actually
[11:10] <Kyral> lol
[11:10] <Kyral> I plan to learn Python and Perl first
[11:10] <lucas> arg
[11:11] <lucas> what a loss of time
[11:11] <lucas> (just kidding)
[11:11] <lucas> python is a great language. ruby is python+fun
[11:12] <Kyral> and Perl...is the Unix SysAdmin's Swiss Army Chainsaw
[11:12] <lucas> the old & fat unix sysadmin with a grey bear's swiss army knife, yes
[11:12] <Kyral> lol
[11:13] <Kyral> Okay, Irssi has tab complete on almost EVERYTHING
[11:13] <Kyral> I <3!
[11:14] <ajmitch> especially when used with screen
[11:14] <lucas> but /me finally switched to xchat
[11:15] <ajmitch> I used to be on xchat
[11:15] <Kyral> I have to learn about screen
[11:18] <LaserJock> ajmitch: so what do you use now?
[11:19] <ajmitch> as I said, irssi
[11:19] <Kyral> oh I am reminded
[11:19] <Kyral> Can I tell logrotate to work on things like my GAIM and IRC logs?
[11:19] <lamont__> qsynth, scilab, and swami all build-depend: libreadline4-dev, which no longer exists (need to roll to libreadline5...)
[11:20] <lamont__> fix that. kthxbye
[11:20] <ajmitch> ok
[11:21] <lamont__> ajmitch: wow. that was easy. :-)
[11:22] <lamont__> uh... my bad.
[11:22] <lamont__> libfluidsynth-dev: Depends: libreadline4-dev
[11:22] <lamont__> and causes the other stuff to happen
[11:22] <ajmitch> yeah, that's one I need to fix for scummvm
[11:22] <lamont__> (scilib build-depends: libreadline4-dev | libreadline-dev)
[11:23] <ajmitch> I think I had a fixed fluidsynth to upload, or it was a sync..
[11:23] <ajmitch> yep, sync time
[11:27] <ajmitch> lamont__: so qsynth & swami both have libreadline4-dev build-depends?
[11:27] <lamont__> no
[11:27] <ajmitch> fluidsynth sync will fix them all then?
[11:27] <lamont__> they fail because libfluidsynth-dev (which they build-dep) depends libreadline4-dev
[11:27] <ajmitch> oh good
[11:27] <ajmitch> should be fixed soon then :)
[11:27] <lamont__> kick me about them once fluidsynth is there
[11:27] <lamont__> and I'll give them back
[11:28] <ajmitch> will do
[11:38] <thierry_> could anyone help me create a .desktop file for a package on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile (just to show me the way th first time, I have far too much questions right now)
[11:39] <thierry_> in fact my big problem is "In debian/rules, if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, make sure the binary* target installs the .desktop file into /usr/share/applications/ and its corresponding icon file (xpm/png/etc.) into /usr/share/pixmaps/ . Additionally if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, you need to call dh_desktop."
[11:40] <thierry_> first : where do I put dh_desktop ? in the install list of the rules file?
[11:44] <thierry_> and what do I do if the program as no icon? I simply don't put the icon= line?
[11:44] <crimsun> thierry_: you don't have to call dh_desktop explicitly anymore
[11:45] <thierry_> ok... but why is it still on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile ?
[11:46] <thierry_> because I'd like to help with these long lists but without proper explanation of the job to do, it's hard for a beginner like me
[11:46] <thierry_> crimsun
[11:52] <\sh> good night folks...
[11:52] <ogra> night \sh
[11:53] <bojan> this is only to inform you, that i will take care of the unassigned merge hztty
[11:53] <\sh> ogra: don't play around with this guy..there is a time even you will forget the CoC ... and he is not worth it
[11:54] <ogra> \sh, i wont
[11:54] <ogra> (forget about the CoC )
[11:55] <bojan> so, there is no need for someone else to take the merge
[11:55] <thierry_> ogra : could you just tell me some little tips for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UniversePackageWithoutDesktopFile
[11:55] <ogra> sure
[11:56] <thierry_> ogra : ok where do I put dh_desktop ? in the install list of the rules file?, crimsun told me I don't have to call dh_desktop explicitly anymore
[11:57] <thierry_> then what do I do? should I take off the line of the wiki who says to do that?
[11:57] <crimsun> cdbs handles it for you if you use gnome.mk
[11:58] <ogra> crimsun, and in debhelper based packages ?
[11:58] <thierry_> yeah but in the lines it says : if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, you need to call dh_desktop.
[11:58] <minghua> thierry_: in debian/rules
[11:58] <ogra> i think you still nedd it ... i'm not aware that changed :)
[11:58] <minghua> should be install target, but I'm not 100% sure
[11:59] <thierry_> minguha : yeah I think it's there, but where in the file??
[11:59] <thierry_> my package is space-orbit
[11:59] <thierry_> ogra : and what do I do if the program as no icon? I simply don't put the icon= line?
[12:00] <minghua> thierry_: I would like to quote \sh here, make sure you know the stuff under the hood before you use the fancy tools
[12:00] <ajmitch> bojan: then file the bug so that it gets assigned to you on the list
[12:00] <minghua> thierry_: the dh_desktop's purpose is to add some commands in the package's postinst script
[12:00] <ajmitch> bojan: otherwise you'll find that someone else uploads a merge soon :)
[12:00] <ogra> thierry_, put in the icon line for sanitys sake, but leave it empty
[12:01] <minghua> thierry_: if I were you, I'll just put it in install target, and see if the postinst script get correctly modified
[12:01] <minghua> thierry_: and you can always read the gnome.mk in cdbs, or dh_desktop man page
[12:01] <minghua> thierry_: sorry I can't help you more here
[12:03] <thierry_> minghua : thanks, but how can I see if the postinst script get correctly modified