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| Diablo-D3 | hrm | 01:26 |
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| Diablo-D3 | hey Riddell | 01:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | will kde ever support sleep and hybernation on the logout menu? | 01:27 |
| Riddell | Diablo-D3: I'd like to add it, although I suspect it's less trivial than it should be | 01:45 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: well | 01:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: why not poach whatever code gnome uses? ;) | 01:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, bootchart is the coolest fucking thing | 01:57 |
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| Riddell | Diablo-D3: because gnome doesn't use ksmserver last checked | 02:25 |
| freeflying | Riddell: hi | 02:27 |
| Riddell | hi freeflying | 02:27 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: heard of Sun Wah linux? | 02:27 |
| freeflying | Riddell: Iy | 02:28 |
| freeflying | Riddell: Iyy | 02:28 |
| freeflying | Riddell: y | 02:28 |
| freeflying | Riddell: how about that | 02:28 |
| Riddell | freeflying: they're at this conference, I've just never heard of them before | 02:30 |
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| Riddell | logs out | 02:30 |
| freeflying | Riddell: where is the conference | 02:30 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: thats not what I meant. teach ksmserver to do what gnome does =P | 04:01 |
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| viviersf | Riddell, ping | 08:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | hey Riddell | 08:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: I think you should add kipi-plugins to kubuntu-desktop | 08:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | Riddell: so people can read raw files from their cameras without needing more software | 08:13 |
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| seaLne | digikam dosen't even depend on them, so i'm not sure kubuntu-desktop should | 09:37 |
| seaLne | (i have a canon camera and use kipi-plugins) | 09:37 |
| seaLne | kubuntu-desktop dosen't seem like the right place to me for the depend | 09:38 |
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| Diablo-D3 | seaLne: I have a canon camera too | 10:00 |
| allee | seaLne: digikam does not depend on what? | 10:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I hate having to keep opening files in gimp's ueffohwhatever the hell it is plugin to view shit | 10:01 |
| allee | seaLne: digikam without kipi-plugins is not fun at all (95% of kipi-plugins are converted digikamplugins). But according to policy it's recommends not depends | 10:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | so... | 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | why isnt digikam just converted to kipi-ware officially? | 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean upstream | 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | or just nuke it and fold the stuff into gwenview | 10:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah, gwenview uses kipi-plugins | 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | infact, I forsee everything using kipi eventually, even konq | 10:08 |
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| freeflying | Riddell: ping | 10:16 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: digikam upstream + me was the driving force opening digikamplugins so gwenview etc can use them!!!! | 10:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | allee: ... small world, eh? | 10:19 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: nuke them and make them gwenview specific would be the worst case that can happen | 10:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | no no | 10:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt say that at all | 10:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | allee: I want raw photo thumbnails in konq! | 10:20 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: yeah, I tried to convience them to do this too | 10:20 |
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| allee | Diablo-D3: as I wrote kipi-plugins is 95 % converted digikamplugins. Noone else spend much energy to add or enhance them | 10:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | convince harder | 10:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I want everything in kde to use it | 10:22 |
| allee | so digikam upstream is not that mutivated because they did a lot of work (for no gain) and got nothing in return | 10:22 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: Fully agreed!!!!!!! | 10:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I want to have icons in amarok in some obscure format | 10:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | just because I can. | 10:23 |
| allee | some kipi apps had lots of new features in their accouncement (and did not mention that this is _just_ kipi that others did for them :( :( | 10:23 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: so it's not easy to convince harder | 10:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | I officially proclaim that KDE sucks. | 10:24 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: wait until digikam can do 16bit, IPTC & CMS and you'll miss much more in 99% of the KDE apps :) | 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | allee: you know whats sad? | 10:27 |
| allee | ? | 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt even realize kde didnt already do something like that | 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | its on my list of things I want Diablo's Magical Nonexistant Desktop Envirionment That Will Kill Gnome And KDE to do. | 10:27 |
| allee | your are a poor boy (like me;) | 10:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | I've been planning stuff so everything is a common framework | 10:28 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: on what software/project are you working? | 10:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | Diablo's Magical Nonexistant Desktop Envirionment That Will Kill Gnome And KDE | 10:29 |
| allee | Ahh, tried it yesterday. Still sucks too :) | 10:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | 10:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | its non existant! | 10:29 |
| allee | no try secret.m-n-d-e.org. | 10:30 |
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| allee | seaLne: care to explain to me what you meant with: | 10:52 |
| allee | [09:36] <seaLne> digikam dosen't even depend on them, so i'm not sure kubuntu-desktop should | 10:52 |
| seaLne | allee: i just felt that maybe making kubuntu-desktop depend on kipi-plugins wasn't the right place to try to solve what Diablo-D3 was wanting to do | 11:00 |
| seaLne | but he then said that it was for things like konq, so i sort of take it back | 11:00 |
| allee | seaLne: konq makes no use of kipi-plugins. So adding for this reason is indead nonsense. | 11:02 |
| allee | seaLne: only _if_ digikam or kimdaba are added to kubuntu-desktop, kipi-plugins should be added too [my infamous last word on this Diablo-D3 ;)] | 11:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | even though gwen makes good use of kipi-plugins? | 11:07 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: gwenview as an viewer is useful as is. If one wants to do more than viewing kipi-plugins are really useful. | 11:09 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: Whenever I find time I try to write a kipi cmd line tool. so one can add kipi-based service menus for konq | 11:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | yay | 11:18 |
| seaLne | allee: btw is the image viewer in digikam not supposed to display raw files? | 11:28 |
| allee | seaLne: I assume yes (no raws here). checking | 11:30 |
| seaLne | allee: it dosen't for me (3.4 packages in breezy) | 11:33 |
| allee | seaLne: sh*t, even thumbnails for the 2 example raws I have don't work :( THIS did work I'm sure. | 11:39 |
| seaLne | thumbnails worked for me, sorry camera and photos are at home | 11:40 |
| allee | seaLne: I've only played once with raws, after dcraw changed it's interface. I'll check when I've a bit more time | 11:41 |
| seaLne | thanks | 11:41 |
| \sh | Riddell: what's wrong with libkexif1c2? | 11:46 |
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| allee | \sh: where? | 11:49 |
| \sh | allee: not installable | 11:49 |
| raphink | hi | 11:50 |
| allee | seaLne: FWIW: do you use 0.7.4 or 0.8.0 | 11:50 |
| raphink | it seems ifupdown is not backwards-compatible | 11:50 |
| freeflying | raphink hi | 11:51 |
| raphink | there's a conversion script included in the pacakge | 11:51 |
| raphink | but it did not convert my /etc/network/interfaces properly | 11:52 |
| seaLne | allee: what ever is in breezy, sorry at work i have the 3.5 breezy | 11:52 |
| raphink | so I had to reconfigure it manually | 11:53 |
| allee | seaLne: ok, that 0.7.4. | 11:53 |
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| allee | \sh: 0.2.2-1 depends on kdelib4c2 not c2a | 11:57 |
| \sh | allee: damn..ok..fixing this after lunch | 11:57 |
| allee | \sh. Riddell asked me to remove the c2 suffix instead of creating c2a. Srcs are in pkg-kde svn | 11:59 |
| \sh | allee: read the doko announcement of libstdc++ new allocator stuff... | 11:59 |
| \sh | if there is a new upstream, we can get rid of the c2 stuff, if debian is doing this as well... | 12:00 |
| \sh | ok..lunch time bbl | 12:00 |
| allee | \sh: read about the kde and qt libs exception ;) | 12:00 |
| allee | \sh debian will do it. as I said it's already removed in svn | 12:01 |
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| allee | \sh: ah, forgot, same for libkipi. c2 will removed instead of changed to c2a. Doing it now saves kubuntu some future rebuilds (afair gwenview needs a little fix) | 12:15 |
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| Diablo-D3 | man | 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I love 16-bit per channel editing | 12:39 |
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| allee | Diablo-D3: then write fan post to GillesCaulier, he's converting plugins like hell currently ;) | 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, sadly Im not doing it with kde | 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im putting my /legal/ copy of photoshop cs2 to use | 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no, before you ask, I didnt buy it | 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | it came with my camera | 12:54 |
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| Diablo-D3 | its not a bad image editing app, but its no gimp, thats for sure. | 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only thing it has over it is 16-bit image editing and all the cms stuff | 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | allee: can kipi do cms sutff? | 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, say, take an adobe rgb image and turn it into an srgb one? | 12:57 |
| allee | no. | 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | damn | 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, I currently want two things out of konq | 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | a) display my camera's raws as thumbnails | 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | b) properly display them in the sgrb colorspace. | 12:58 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: first the digikam and it's image editor will be converted. No plans for kipi yet. | 12:58 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: switch from konq to digikam and you get what you want! | 12:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh, I will when it builds in dapper =P | 12:59 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: note: kipi uses imagemagick to convert between image formats. | 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | I noticed that | 12:59 |
| === Diablo-D3 was trying to build it himself earlier | ||
| Diablo-D3 | it failed | 01:00 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: well, breezy will get it first. Dapper takes a bit longer 'cause sync with sid needs time ;) | 01:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont know why we care about sid =/ | 01:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not like debian on desktops actually matters anymore | 01:01 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: well, much easier than to merge with sid | 01:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu == debian for desktops | 01:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, windows boots so damn slow | 01:02 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: build? imagemagik or digikam, release or svn (svn is not stable due to huge rewriting) | 01:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | actually, I was trying to build kipi so I could get kipi-plugins | 01:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | it fails somewhere in the actual packaging of it | 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | it compiles fine | 01:03 |
| \sh | allee: so you will fix it...do u need someone who uploads? | 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | its actually kinda funny | 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | the majority of kde apps that havent been fixed fit into two categories | 01:03 |
| allee | Diablo-D3: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/breezy/ pick sources and rebuild on dapper | 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | a) you just need to recompile it, it works fine already | 01:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | b) it compiles fine, the package building fails | 01:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | allee: email that to diablod3@gmail.com to remind me to look there | 01:04 |
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| allee | \sh: upload? Kunbuntu or sid? My plan was to relibtoolize libk{ipi,exif} and ask my sponsor to upload to sid (that the way I get my pkg into dapper) | 01:05 |
| \sh | allee: kubuntu/ubuntu :) | 01:05 |
| \sh | allee: well...most of the kubuntu stuff is -NubuntuX so for this...we could just upload it to dapper | 01:06 |
| allee | \sh: should I upload to revu or do you want to pick from alioth svn repo? or? | 01:07 |
| \sh | allee: I will pick from alioth...give me the url and everything is fine | 01:08 |
| allee | \sh: svn+ssh://<your-user>@svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-kde/libkipi/trunk/debian | 01:10 |
| allee | \sh: ditto for libkexif | 01:10 |
| allee | \sh: sorry missed kde-extras: svn+ssh://<your-user>@svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/libkipi/trunk/debian | 01:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | night all | 01:19 |
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| freeflying | which package replace ivman in kde | 01:52 |
| Tm_T | am_utils ? | 01:53 |
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| freeflying | Tm_T: how about this in kde | 01:56 |
| Tm_T | KDE 3.5 uses it to mount stuff anyway | 01:57 |
| Tm_T | or, what you mean? | 01:58 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: but my system ( kde3.5) still use ivman | 01:59 |
| Tm_T | nope if you remove | 02:00 |
| Tm_T | and KDE isn't really using ivman | 02:00 |
| Tm_T | ivman just mounts | 02:00 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: but am-utils wasn't be installed | 02:01 |
| Tm_T | what? | 02:01 |
| Tm_T | amd ? | 02:01 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: x86 | 02:01 |
| Tm_T | I mean amd package ;) | 02:02 |
| Tm_T | and yes, I don't know why am_utils isnt part of kubuntu-desktop, maybe because ivmanwas "replacing" it | 02:02 |
| Tm_T | am-utils - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd) | 02:03 |
| Tm_T | sorry, my bad | 02:03 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: it's the default in amd64? | 02:04 |
| Tm_T | dunno | 02:04 |
| Tm_T | amd - Dummy package for upgrades | 02:05 |
| Tm_T | got the idea? | 02:05 |
| Tm_T | and got it working? | 02:05 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: I'm using an x86 system | 02:05 |
| Tm_T | I am too | 02:05 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: so I will not use it lol | 02:06 |
| Tm_T | amd = Auto Mounter Daemon | 02:06 |
| Tm_T | use it | 02:06 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: use this replace ivman ? | 02:06 |
| Tm_T | after you removed ivman and installed am-utils, when you stick memorystick or cdrom in, kde prompts what to do and exactly what you selected it to do | 02:07 |
| Tm_T | yes | 02:07 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: have a try | 02:07 |
| Tm_T | please do | 02:08 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: upgrade to kernel 2.6.15, my there problems with my soundcard | 02:08 |
| Tm_T | uh, 2.6.15-5 ? | 02:09 |
| Tm_T | 2.6.15-6 (newest) does have nvidia drivers and all, and it just works \o/ | 02:10 |
| freeflying | the volume of my system is very low | 02:11 |
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| Tm_T | freeflying: got it working? | 03:04 |
| freeflying | Tm_T: no , remove it . it need nis also | 03:05 |
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| Tm_T | what? | 03:28 |
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| seaLne | it suggests nis | 03:31 |
| Tm_T | hmm, suggests.. | 03:32 |
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| allee | JRe: ping | 04:33 |
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| pef | hello | 05:42 |
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| Riddell | hi pef | 05:45 |
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