=== Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === \sh is now known as \sh_away === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.233] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A62815.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.32.233] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] hrm [01:26] hey Riddell [01:27] will kde ever support sleep and hybernation on the logout menu? [01:45] Diablo-D3: I'd like to add it, although I suspect it's less trivial than it should be === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:57] Riddell: well [01:57] Riddell: why not poach whatever code gnome uses? ;) [01:57] btw, bootchart is the coolest fucking thing === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:25] Diablo-D3: because gnome doesn't use ksmserver last checked [02:27] Riddell: hi [02:27] hi freeflying === Riddell is at a conference and has no time just now [02:27] freeflying: heard of Sun Wah linux? [02:28] Riddell: Iy [02:28] Riddell: Iyy [02:28] Riddell: y [02:28] Riddell: how about that [02:30] freeflying: they're at this conference, I've just never heard of them before === Riddell lgs out [02:30] logs out [02:30] Riddell: where is the conference === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k|lappy [n=seth@d-ip-129-15-215-140.wireless.ou.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:01] Riddell: thats not what I meant. teach ksmserver to do what gnome does =P === hunger [n=hunger@p54A6394F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-88-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === seth_k_ [n=seth@asmallorange.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:00] Riddell, ping [08:11] hey Riddell [08:12] Riddell: I think you should add kipi-plugins to kubuntu-desktop [08:13] Riddell: so people can read raw files from their cameras without needing more software === allee [n=ach@dialin-145-254-252-056.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-88-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-88-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:37] digikam dosen't even depend on them, so i'm not sure kubuntu-desktop should [09:37] (i have a canon camera and use kipi-plugins) [09:38] kubuntu-desktop dosen't seem like the right place to me for the depend === \sh_away is now known as \sh === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-88-116.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:00] seaLne: I have a canon camera too [10:00] seaLne: digikam does not depend on what? [10:01] and I hate having to keep opening files in gimp's ueffohwhatever the hell it is plugin to view shit [10:04] seaLne: digikam without kipi-plugins is not fun at all (95% of kipi-plugins are converted digikamplugins). But according to policy it's recommends not depends [10:05] so... [10:05] why isnt digikam just converted to kipi-ware officially? [10:05] I mean upstream [10:05] or just nuke it and fold the stuff into gwenview [10:08] but yeah, gwenview uses kipi-plugins [10:08] infact, I forsee everything using kipi eventually, even konq === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:16] Riddell: ping [10:19] Diablo-D3: digikam upstream + me was the driving force opening digikamplugins so gwenview etc can use them!!!! [10:19] allee: ... small world, eh? [10:19] Diablo-D3: nuke them and make them gwenview specific would be the worst case that can happen [10:19] no no [10:19] I didnt say that at all [10:20] allee: I want raw photo thumbnails in konq! [10:20] Diablo-D3: yeah, I tried to convience them to do this too === freeflying [i=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:21] Diablo-D3: as I wrote kipi-plugins is 95 % converted digikamplugins. Noone else spend much energy to add or enhance them [10:22] convince harder [10:22] I want everything in kde to use it [10:22] so digikam upstream is not that mutivated because they did a lot of work (for no gain) and got nothing in return [10:22] Diablo-D3: Fully agreed!!!!!!! [10:23] I want to have icons in amarok in some obscure format [10:23] just because I can. [10:23] some kipi apps had lots of new features in their accouncement (and did not mention that this is _just_ kipi that others did for them :( :( [10:24] Diablo-D3: so it's not easy to convince harder [10:24] I officially proclaim that KDE sucks. [10:26] Diablo-D3: wait until digikam can do 16bit, IPTC & CMS and you'll miss much more in 99% of the KDE apps :) [10:27] heh [10:27] allee: you know whats sad? [10:27] ? [10:27] I didnt even realize kde didnt already do something like that [10:27] its on my list of things I want Diablo's Magical Nonexistant Desktop Envirionment That Will Kill Gnome And KDE to do. [10:27] your are a poor boy (like me;) [10:28] I've been planning stuff so everything is a common framework [10:28] Diablo-D3: on what software/project are you working? [10:29] Diablo's Magical Nonexistant Desktop Envirionment That Will Kill Gnome And KDE [10:29] Ahh, tried it yesterday. Still sucks too :) [10:29] lol [10:29] its non existant! [10:30] no try secret.m-n-d-e.org. === \sh is now known as \sh_away === freeflying [i=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:52] seaLne: care to explain to me what you meant with: [10:52] [09:36] digikam dosen't even depend on them, so i'm not sure kubuntu-desktop should [11:00] allee: i just felt that maybe making kubuntu-desktop depend on kipi-plugins wasn't the right place to try to solve what Diablo-D3 was wanting to do [11:00] but he then said that it was for things like konq, so i sort of take it back [11:02] seaLne: konq makes no use of kipi-plugins. So adding for this reason is indead nonsense. [11:06] seaLne: only _if_ digikam or kimdaba are added to kubuntu-desktop, kipi-plugins should be added too [my infamous last word on this Diablo-D3 ;)] [11:07] even though gwen makes good use of kipi-plugins? [11:09] Diablo-D3: gwenview as an viewer is useful as is. If one wants to do more than viewing kipi-plugins are really useful. [11:10] Diablo-D3: Whenever I find time I try to write a kipi cmd line tool. so one can add kipi-based service menus for konq === verwilst [n=verwilst@212.123.1.32] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas_ is now known as sebas [11:18] yay [11:28] allee: btw is the image viewer in digikam not supposed to display raw files? [11:30] seaLne: I assume yes (no raws here). checking [11:33] allee: it dosen't for me (3.4 packages in breezy) [11:39] seaLne: sh*t, even thumbnails for the 2 example raws I have don't work :( THIS did work I'm sure. [11:40] thumbnails worked for me, sorry camera and photos are at home [11:41] seaLne: I've only played once with raws, after dcraw changed it's interface. I'll check when I've a bit more time [11:41] thanks [11:46] <\sh> Riddell: what's wrong with libkexif1c2? === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === JRe [n=jre@pai34-2-82-226-199-36.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:49] \sh: where? [11:49] <\sh> allee: not installable [11:50] hi [11:50] seaLne: FWIW: do you use 0.7.4 or 0.8.0 [11:50] it seems ifupdown is not backwards-compatible [11:51] raphink hi [11:51] there's a conversion script included in the pacakge [11:52] but it did not convert my /etc/network/interfaces properly [11:52] allee: what ever is in breezy, sorry at work i have the 3.5 breezy [11:53] so I had to reconfigure it manually [11:53] seaLne: ok, that 0.7.4. === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:57] \sh: 0.2.2-1 depends on kdelib4c2 not c2a [11:57] <\sh> allee: damn..ok..fixing this after lunch [11:59] \sh. Riddell asked me to remove the c2 suffix instead of creating c2a. Srcs are in pkg-kde svn [11:59] <\sh> allee: read the doko announcement of libstdc++ new allocator stuff... [12:00] <\sh> if there is a new upstream, we can get rid of the c2 stuff, if debian is doing this as well... [12:00] <\sh> ok..lunch time bbl [12:00] \sh: read about the kde and qt libs exception ;) [12:01] \sh debian will do it. as I said it's already removed in svn === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:15] \sh: ah, forgot, same for libkipi. c2 will removed instead of changed to c2a. Doing it now saves kubuntu some future rebuilds (afair gwenview needs a little fix) === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@gra86-1-82-239-88-236.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-80-198.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:39] man [12:39] I love 16-bit per channel editing === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:52] Diablo-D3: then write fan post to GillesCaulier, he's converting plugins like hell currently ;) [12:54] well, sadly Im not doing it with kde [12:54] Im putting my /legal/ copy of photoshop cs2 to use [12:54] and no, before you ask, I didnt buy it [12:54] it came with my camera === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:55] its not a bad image editing app, but its no gimp, thats for sure. [12:55] the only thing it has over it is 16-bit image editing and all the cms stuff [12:57] allee: can kipi do cms sutff? [12:57] like, say, take an adobe rgb image and turn it into an srgb one? [12:57] no. [12:57] damn [12:57] well, I currently want two things out of konq [12:57] a) display my camera's raws as thumbnails [12:58] b) properly display them in the sgrb colorspace. [12:58] Diablo-D3: first the digikam and it's image editor will be converted. No plans for kipi yet. [12:58] Diablo-D3: switch from konq to digikam and you get what you want! [12:59] heh, I will when it builds in dapper =P [12:59] Diablo-D3: note: kipi uses imagemagick to convert between image formats. [12:59] I noticed that === Diablo-D3 was trying to build it himself earlier [01:00] it failed [01:00] Diablo-D3: well, breezy will get it first. Dapper takes a bit longer 'cause sync with sid needs time ;) [01:00] I dont know why we care about sid =/ [01:01] its not like debian on desktops actually matters anymore [01:01] Diablo-D3: well, much easier than to merge with sid [01:01] ubuntu == debian for desktops [01:02] btw, windows boots so damn slow [01:02] Diablo-D3: build? imagemagik or digikam, release or svn (svn is not stable due to huge rewriting) [01:02] actually, I was trying to build kipi so I could get kipi-plugins [01:03] it fails somewhere in the actual packaging of it [01:03] it compiles fine [01:03] <\sh> allee: so you will fix it...do u need someone who uploads? [01:03] its actually kinda funny [01:03] the majority of kde apps that havent been fixed fit into two categories [01:03] Diablo-D3: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/breezy/ pick sources and rebuild on dapper [01:04] a) you just need to recompile it, it works fine already [01:04] b) it compiles fine, the package building fails [01:04] allee: email that to diablod3@gmail.com to remind me to look there === Diablo-D3 is going to bed rsn [01:05] \sh: upload? Kunbuntu or sid? My plan was to relibtoolize libk{ipi,exif} and ask my sponsor to upload to sid (that the way I get my pkg into dapper) [01:05] <\sh> allee: kubuntu/ubuntu :) [01:06] <\sh> allee: well...most of the kubuntu stuff is -NubuntuX so for this...we could just upload it to dapper [01:07] \sh: should I upload to revu or do you want to pick from alioth svn repo? or? [01:08] <\sh> allee: I will pick from alioth...give me the url and everything is fine [01:10] \sh: svn+ssh://@svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-kde/libkipi/trunk/debian [01:10] \sh: ditto for libkexif [01:11] \sh: sorry missed kde-extras: svn+ssh://@svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/libkipi/trunk/debian [01:19] night all === viviersf [n=cain@dsl-146-80-198.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tvo [n=tobi@5354EA9B.cable.casema.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cain_ [n=cain@dsl-146-80-198.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [01:52] which package replace ivman in kde [01:53] am_utils ? === \sh_away is now known as \sh [01:56] Tm_T: how about this in kde [01:57] KDE 3.5 uses it to mount stuff anyway [01:58] or, what you mean? [01:59] Tm_T: but my system ( kde3.5) still use ivman [02:00] nope if you remove [02:00] and KDE isn't really using ivman [02:00] ivman just mounts [02:01] Tm_T: but am-utils wasn't be installed [02:01] what? [02:01] amd ? [02:01] Tm_T: x86 [02:02] I mean amd package ;) [02:02] and yes, I don't know why am_utils isnt part of kubuntu-desktop, maybe because ivmanwas "replacing" it [02:03] am-utils - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd) [02:03] sorry, my bad [02:04] Tm_T: it's the default in amd64? [02:04] dunno [02:05] amd - Dummy package for upgrades [02:05] got the idea? [02:05] and got it working? [02:05] Tm_T: I'm using an x86 system [02:05] I am too [02:06] Tm_T: so I will not use it lol [02:06] amd = Auto Mounter Daemon [02:06] use it [02:06] Tm_T: use this replace ivman ? [02:07] after you removed ivman and installed am-utils, when you stick memorystick or cdrom in, kde prompts what to do and exactly what you selected it to do [02:07] yes [02:07] Tm_T: have a try [02:08] please do [02:08] Tm_T: upgrade to kernel 2.6.15, my there problems with my soundcard [02:09] uh, 2.6.15-5 ? [02:10] 2.6.15-6 (newest) does have nvidia drivers and all, and it just works \o/ [02:11] the volume of my system is very low === \sh is now known as \sh_away === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] freeflying: got it working? [03:05] Tm_T: no , remove it . it need nis also === \sh_away is now known as \sh === jjesse [n=jjesse@mail.ftpb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] what? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:31] it suggests nis [03:32] hmm, suggests.. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=hunger@p54A61C86.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:33] JRe: ping === minghua [n=minghua@danube.mems.rice.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.38] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pef [n=loic@ubuntu/member/pef] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:42] hello === \sh is now known as \sh_away [05:45] hi pef === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === _simon_ [n=simon@host-84-9-144-71.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === insanekane [n=kane@202.83.33.108] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-69-210-207-5.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-130-245.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@CPE-144-136-127-247.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel