[01:26] <Diablo-D3> hrm
[01:26] <Diablo-D3> hey Riddell 
[01:27] <Diablo-D3> will kde ever support sleep and hybernation on the logout menu?
[01:45] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: I'd like to add it, although I suspect it's less trivial than it should be
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: well
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: why not poach whatever code gnome uses? ;)
[01:57] <Diablo-D3> btw, bootchart is the coolest fucking thing
[02:25] <Riddell> Diablo-D3: because gnome doesn't use ksmserver last checked
[02:27] <freeflying> Riddell: hi
[02:27] <Riddell> hi freeflying 
[02:27] <Riddell> freeflying: heard of Sun Wah linux?
[02:28] <freeflying> Riddell: Iy
[02:28] <freeflying> Riddell: Iyy
[02:28] <freeflying> Riddell: y
[02:28] <freeflying> Riddell: how about that
[02:30] <Riddell> freeflying: they're at this conference, I've just never heard of them before
[02:30] <Riddell> logs out
[02:30] <freeflying> Riddell: where is the conference
[04:01] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: thats not what I meant. teach ksmserver to do what gnome does =P
[08:00] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[08:11] <Diablo-D3> hey Riddell 
[08:12] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: I think you should add kipi-plugins to kubuntu-desktop
[08:13] <Diablo-D3> Riddell: so people can read raw files from their cameras without needing more software
[09:37] <seaLne> digikam dosen't even depend on them, so i'm not sure kubuntu-desktop should
[09:37] <seaLne> (i have a canon camera and use kipi-plugins)
[09:38] <seaLne> kubuntu-desktop dosen't seem like the right place to me for the depend
[10:00] <Diablo-D3> seaLne: I have a canon camera too
[10:00] <allee> seaLne: digikam does not depend on what?
[10:01] <Diablo-D3> and I hate having to keep opening files in gimp's ueffohwhatever the hell it is plugin to view shit
[10:04] <allee> seaLne: digikam without kipi-plugins is not fun at all (95% of kipi-plugins are converted digikamplugins).  But according to policy it's recommends not depends
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> so...
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> why isnt digikam just converted to kipi-ware officially?
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> I mean upstream
[10:05] <Diablo-D3> or just nuke it and fold the stuff into gwenview
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> but yeah, gwenview uses kipi-plugins
[10:08] <Diablo-D3> infact, I forsee everything using kipi eventually, even konq
[10:16] <freeflying> Riddell: ping 
[10:19] <allee> Diablo-D3: digikam upstream + me was the driving force opening digikamplugins so gwenview etc can use them!!!!
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> allee: ... small world, eh?
[10:19] <allee> Diablo-D3: nuke them and make them gwenview specific would be the worst case that can happen
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> no no
[10:19] <Diablo-D3> I didnt say that at all
[10:20] <Diablo-D3> allee: I want raw photo thumbnails in konq!
[10:20] <allee> Diablo-D3: yeah, I tried to convience them to do this too
[10:21] <allee> Diablo-D3: as I wrote kipi-plugins is 95 % converted digikamplugins.  Noone else spend much energy to add or enhance them
[10:22] <Diablo-D3> convince harder
[10:22] <Diablo-D3> I want everything in kde to use it
[10:22] <allee> so digikam upstream is not that mutivated because they did a lot of work (for no gain) and got nothing in return
[10:22] <allee> Diablo-D3: Fully agreed!!!!!!!
[10:23] <Diablo-D3> I want to have icons in amarok in some obscure format
[10:23] <Diablo-D3> just because I can.
[10:23] <allee> some kipi apps had lots of new features in their accouncement (and did not mention that this is _just_ kipi that others did for them :( :(
[10:24] <allee> Diablo-D3: so it's not easy to convince harder
[10:24] <Diablo-D3> I officially proclaim that KDE sucks.
[10:26] <allee> Diablo-D3: wait until digikam can do 16bit, IPTC & CMS and you'll miss much more in 99% of the KDE apps :)
[10:27] <Diablo-D3> heh
[10:27] <Diablo-D3> allee: you know whats sad?
[10:27] <allee> ?
[10:27] <Diablo-D3> I didnt even realize kde didnt already do something like that
[10:27] <Diablo-D3> its on my list of things I want Diablo's Magical Nonexistant Desktop Envirionment That Will Kill Gnome And KDE to do.
[10:27] <allee> your are a poor boy (like me;)
[10:28] <Diablo-D3> I've been planning stuff so everything is a common framework
[10:28] <allee> Diablo-D3: on what software/project are you working?
[10:29] <Diablo-D3> Diablo's Magical Nonexistant Desktop Envirionment That Will Kill Gnome And KDE
[10:29] <allee> Ahh, tried it yesterday.  Still sucks too :)
[10:29] <Diablo-D3> lol
[10:29] <Diablo-D3> its non existant!
[10:30] <allee> no try secret.m-n-d-e.org. 
[10:52] <allee> seaLne: care to explain to me what you meant with:
[10:52] <allee> [09:36]  <seaLne> digikam dosen't even depend on them, so i'm not sure kubuntu-desktop should
[11:00] <seaLne> allee: i just felt that maybe making kubuntu-desktop depend on kipi-plugins wasn't the right place to try to solve what Diablo-D3 was wanting to do
[11:00] <seaLne> but he then said that it was for things like konq, so i sort of take it back
[11:02] <allee> seaLne: konq makes no use of kipi-plugins.  So adding for this reason is indead nonsense.
[11:06] <allee> seaLne: only _if_ digikam or kimdaba are added to kubuntu-desktop, kipi-plugins should be added too [my infamous last word on this Diablo-D3 ;)] 
[11:07] <Diablo-D3> even though gwen makes good use of kipi-plugins?
[11:09] <allee> Diablo-D3: gwenview as an viewer is useful as is.  If one wants to do more than viewing kipi-plugins are really useful.
[11:10] <allee> Diablo-D3: Whenever I find time I try to write a kipi cmd line tool. so one can add kipi-based service menus for konq
[11:18] <Diablo-D3> yay
[11:28] <seaLne> allee: btw is the image viewer in digikam not supposed to display raw files?
[11:30] <allee> seaLne: I assume yes  (no raws here).  checking
[11:33] <seaLne> allee: it dosen't for me (3.4 packages in breezy)
[11:39] <allee> seaLne: sh*t, even thumbnails for the 2 example raws I have don't work :(  THIS did work I'm sure.
[11:40] <seaLne> thumbnails worked for me, sorry camera and photos are at home
[11:41] <allee> seaLne: I've only played once with raws, after dcraw changed it's interface.  I'll check when I've a bit more time
[11:41] <seaLne> thanks
[11:46] <\sh> Riddell: what's wrong with libkexif1c2? 
[11:49] <allee> \sh: where?
[11:49] <\sh> allee: not installable
[11:50] <raphink> hi
[11:50] <allee> seaLne: FWIW: do you use 0.7.4 or 0.8.0
[11:50] <raphink> it seems ifupdown is not backwards-compatible
[11:51] <freeflying> raphink hi
[11:51] <raphink> there's a conversion script included in the pacakge
[11:52] <raphink> but it did not convert my /etc/network/interfaces properly
[11:52] <seaLne> allee: what ever is in breezy, sorry at work i have the 3.5 breezy
[11:53] <raphink> so I had to reconfigure it manually 
[11:53] <allee> seaLne: ok, that 0.7.4.
[11:57] <allee> \sh: 0.2.2-1 depends on kdelib4c2 not c2a
[11:57] <\sh> allee: damn..ok..fixing this after lunch
[11:59] <allee> \sh.  Riddell asked me to remove the c2 suffix instead of creating c2a.  Srcs are in pkg-kde svn
[11:59] <\sh> allee: read the doko announcement of libstdc++ new allocator stuff...
[12:00] <\sh> if there is a new upstream, we can get rid of the c2 stuff, if debian is doing this as well...
[12:00] <\sh> ok..lunch time bbl
[12:00] <allee> \sh: read about the kde and qt libs exception ;)
[12:01] <allee> \sh debian will do it.  as I said it's already removed in svn
[12:15] <allee> \sh: ah, forgot, same for libkipi.  c2 will removed instead of changed to c2a.  Doing it now saves kubuntu some future rebuilds (afair gwenview needs a little fix)
[12:39] <Diablo-D3> man
[12:39] <Diablo-D3> I love 16-bit per channel editing
[12:52] <allee> Diablo-D3: then write fan post to GillesCaulier, he's converting plugins like hell currently ;)
[12:54] <Diablo-D3> well, sadly Im not doing it with kde
[12:54] <Diablo-D3> Im putting my /legal/ copy of photoshop cs2 to use
[12:54] <Diablo-D3> and no, before you ask, I didnt buy it
[12:54] <Diablo-D3> it came with my camera
[12:55] <Diablo-D3> its not a bad image editing app, but its no gimp, thats for sure.
[12:55] <Diablo-D3> the only thing it has over it is 16-bit image editing and all the cms stuff
[12:57] <Diablo-D3> allee: can kipi do cms sutff?
[12:57] <Diablo-D3> like, say, take an adobe rgb image and turn it into an srgb one?
[12:57] <allee> no.
[12:57] <Diablo-D3> damn
[12:57] <Diablo-D3> well, I currently want two things out of konq
[12:57] <Diablo-D3> a) display my camera's raws as thumbnails
[12:58] <Diablo-D3> b) properly display them in the sgrb colorspace.
[12:58] <allee> Diablo-D3: first the digikam and it's image editor will be converted.  No plans for kipi yet.
[12:58] <allee> Diablo-D3: switch from konq to digikam and you get what you want!
[12:59] <Diablo-D3> heh, I will when it builds in dapper =P
[12:59] <allee> Diablo-D3: note: kipi uses imagemagick to convert between image formats.
[12:59] <Diablo-D3> I noticed that
[01:00] <Diablo-D3> it failed
[01:00] <allee> Diablo-D3: well, breezy will get it first.  Dapper takes a bit longer 'cause sync with sid needs time ;)
[01:00] <Diablo-D3> I dont know why we care about sid =/
[01:01] <Diablo-D3> its not like debian on desktops actually matters anymore
[01:01] <allee> Diablo-D3: well, much easier than to merge with sid
[01:01] <Diablo-D3> ubuntu == debian for desktops
[01:02] <Diablo-D3> btw, windows boots so damn slow
[01:02] <allee> Diablo-D3: build?  imagemagik or digikam, release or svn (svn is not stable due to huge rewriting)
[01:02] <Diablo-D3> actually, I was trying to build kipi so I could get kipi-plugins
[01:03] <Diablo-D3> it fails somewhere in the actual packaging of it
[01:03] <Diablo-D3> it compiles fine
[01:03] <\sh> allee: so you will fix it...do u need someone who uploads?
[01:03] <Diablo-D3> its actually kinda funny
[01:03] <Diablo-D3> the majority of kde apps that havent been fixed fit into two categories
[01:03] <allee> Diablo-D3: http://www.mpe.mpg.de/~ach/kubuntu/breezy/   pick sources and rebuild on dapper
[01:04] <Diablo-D3> a) you just need to recompile it, it works fine already
[01:04] <Diablo-D3> b) it compiles fine, the package building fails
[01:04] <Diablo-D3> allee: email that to diablod3@gmail.com to remind me to look there
[01:05] <allee> \sh: upload? Kunbuntu or sid?  My plan was to relibtoolize libk{ipi,exif} and ask my sponsor to upload to sid (that the way I get my pkg into dapper)
[01:05] <\sh> allee: kubuntu/ubuntu :)
[01:06] <\sh> allee: well...most of the kubuntu stuff is -NubuntuX so for this...we could just upload it to dapper
[01:07] <allee> \sh: should I upload to revu or do you want to pick from alioth svn repo? or?
[01:08] <\sh> allee: I will pick from alioth...give me the url and everything is fine
[01:10] <allee> \sh: svn+ssh://<your-user>@svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-kde/libkipi/trunk/debian  
[01:10] <allee> \sh: ditto for libkexif
[01:11] <allee> \sh: sorry missed kde-extras: svn+ssh://<your-user>@svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/libkipi/trunk/debian
[01:19] <Diablo-D3> night all
[01:52] <freeflying> which package replace ivman in kde
[01:53] <Tm_T> am_utils ?
[01:56] <freeflying> Tm_T:  how about this in kde
[01:57] <Tm_T> KDE 3.5 uses it to mount stuff anyway
[01:58] <Tm_T> or, what you mean?
[01:59] <freeflying> Tm_T:  but my system ( kde3.5) still use ivman
[02:00] <Tm_T> nope if you remove
[02:00] <Tm_T> and KDE isn't really using ivman
[02:00] <Tm_T> ivman just mounts
[02:01] <freeflying> Tm_T: but am-utils wasn't be installed
[02:01] <Tm_T> what?
[02:01] <Tm_T> amd ?
[02:01] <freeflying> Tm_T:  x86
[02:02] <Tm_T> I mean amd package ;)
[02:02] <Tm_T> and yes, I don't know why am_utils isnt part of kubuntu-desktop, maybe because ivmanwas "replacing" it
[02:03] <Tm_T> am-utils - automounter utilities from 4.4BSD (includes amd)
[02:03] <Tm_T> sorry, my bad
[02:04] <freeflying> Tm_T:  it's the default in amd64?
[02:04] <Tm_T> dunno
[02:05] <Tm_T> amd - Dummy package for upgrades
[02:05] <Tm_T> got the idea?
[02:05] <Tm_T> and got it working?
[02:05] <freeflying> Tm_T:  I'm using an x86 system 
[02:05] <Tm_T> I am too
[02:06] <freeflying> Tm_T:  so I will not use it  lol
[02:06] <Tm_T> amd = Auto Mounter Daemon
[02:06] <Tm_T> use it
[02:06] <freeflying> Tm_T:  use this  replace ivman ?
[02:07] <Tm_T> after you removed ivman and installed am-utils, when you stick memorystick or cdrom in, kde prompts what to do and exactly what you selected it to do
[02:07] <Tm_T> yes
[02:07] <freeflying> Tm_T:  have a try 
[02:08] <Tm_T> please do
[02:08] <freeflying> Tm_T:  upgrade to kernel 2.6.15, my there problems with my soundcard
[02:09] <Tm_T> uh, 2.6.15-5 ?
[02:10] <Tm_T> 2.6.15-6 (newest) does have nvidia drivers and all, and it just works \o/
[02:11] <freeflying> the volume of my system is very low 
[03:04] <Tm_T> freeflying: got it working?
[03:05] <freeflying> Tm_T:  no , remove it . it need nis also 
[03:28] <Tm_T> what?
[03:31] <seaLne> it suggests nis
[03:32] <Tm_T> hmm, suggests..
[04:33] <allee> JRe: ping
[05:42] <pef> hello
[05:45] <Riddell> hi pef