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[08:31] <fabbione> interesting :)
[08:31] <fabbione> today's installer does install the kernel and for some reasons removes it immediatly after
[08:32] <fabbione> leaving yaboot in an interesting state ;)
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[10:41] <Kamion> fabbione: today's installer is not worth looking at
[10:41] <Kamion> ignore it
[10:42] <Kamion> it is an ex-installer, it has ceased to be, it's pushing up the daisies, it's gone to join the choir invisible
[10:42] <fabbione> Kamion: yes i noticed :)
[10:42] <fabbione> specially when i saw: Removing linux-image...
[10:43] <Kamion> please try to find out what conflicts with old linux-image
[10:44] <fabbione> i did try
[10:44] <fabbione> but when i did chroot in target
[10:44] <fabbione> and done apt-get install linux-powerpc
[10:44] <fabbione> it just went in smoothly
[10:44] <fabbione> no info of any kind
[10:44] <fabbione> it didn't report any conflicts whatsoever
[10:44] <Kamion> you didn't need to try that, you could just have looked in /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/syslog to see what caused the removal
[10:45] <Kamion> i.e. what it was doing when it removed the package
[10:45] <fabbione> sure
[10:45] <fabbione> i can check that too
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[10:57] <fabbione> ah
[10:57] <fabbione> it tries to install hotplug
[10:57] <Kamion> that'll be fixed soon
[10:58] <fabbione> and kicks out a bunch of stuff
[10:58] <fabbione> ok
[10:58] <fabbione> i had no doubts :)
[10:58] <Kamion> no as in I think it's already fixed in our archive, just needs an initrd rebuild
[10:59] <Kamion> yeah, it is
[10:59] <fabbione> ok
[10:59] <fabbione> it sounds strange tho
[10:59] <fabbione> because that's the output from what happens after debootstrap
[10:59] <fabbione> it install the kernels
[10:59] <fabbione> than it attemps to install another bunch of stuff
[10:59] <fabbione> and it's there that kills the kernel
[11:00] <fabbione> but well i am sure you know better than me
[11:00] <fabbione> :)
[11:00] <ogra> Kamion, there were several people having problems with pcmcia stuff on non-pcmcia machines last night, where the booting locked up on pcmciautils... known ?
[11:02] <Kamion> ogra: see my comment to Diablo-D3 on #ubuntu-devel
[11:02] <Kamion> 09:38 < Kamion> Diablo-D3: if you haven't already, could you please install the 2.6.15-6 kernel, reinstall pcmciautils, and confirm/deny that the lockup is gone?
[11:02] <Kamion> 09:39 < Kamion> Diablo-D3: if it isn't gone, please *report a bug* rather than using several hundred lines of my #ubuntu-devel scrollback on it, kthxbye :-)
[11:02] <Kamion> 09:40 < Kamion> Diablo-D3: because pcmciautils is going to stay in minimal - the packaging/upgrade issues are too difficult to deal with otherwise - so we need to make sure any lockups such as this are fixed
[11:02] <Kamion> Diablo-D3 said he was using 2.6.15-5, where soft lockups were a known problem
[11:02] <ogra> ah, ok
[11:03] <ogra> i didnt talk to him anymore, he cant behave ... but LaseJock seemed to have similar issues ... he used 2.6.15-5 too ...
[11:03] <ogra> *LaserJock
[11:04] <ogra> just wanted to make sure it didnt slip through
[11:04] <Kamion> right, nobody that I saw reported it with -6
[11:04] <Kamion> but that isn't conclusive evidence that it's gone
[11:04] <ogra> i havent seen such problems here ...
[11:04] <Kamion> so I want to make sure everyone retests, rather than just removing pcmciautils
[11:05] <Kamion> no, it will depend on your hardware. there were pcmcia crashes in the old world order as well, it's just that we didn't install pcmcia-cs on machines without pcmcia then
[11:05] <Kamion> (because of this)
[11:05] <ogra> yup, old debian behavior :)
[11:06] <Kamion> was sane
[11:06] <Kamion> you didn't want cardmgr running on desktops
[11:06] <ogra> yes, i just remembered the installer question ...
[11:07] <Kamion> damnit, d-i's going to fail to build
[11:09] <fabbione> whops
[11:09] <fabbione> :)
[11:10] <Kamion> OTOH once I promote the relevant thing, sparc might build this time round
[11:11] <fabbione> Kamion: no rush.. as usual
[11:11] <Mithrandir> woohoo, I think I've fixed kbd-chooser now.
[11:11] <fabbione> for sparc we are way to early in the release process to worry :)
[11:12] <Kamion> I care about sparc because its lack of building d-i is causing noise in anastacia output that we have to ignore
[11:12] <fabbione> Kamion: btw. i am going to look at that devmapper/lvm2 selinux thing on ppc
[11:12] <fabbione> ah ok
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[12:05] <Mithrandir> and now it actually works.
[12:30] <fabbione> let see how my laptop will explode with the new kernel/udev and stuff
[12:33] <fabbione> WOO WOOOOO
[12:33] <fabbione> go X!
[12:33] <fabbione> at least it boots fine
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