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| mdke__ | LaserJock, you are probably right about that thing in the serverguide, but it is such early days yet, that sort of thing will be rather common | 12:17 |
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| LaserJock | mdke__: I didn't check but do the other docs have the same preface? | 12:18 |
| mdke__ | LaserJock, i don't think so, although they probably should | 12:19 |
| LaserJock | mdke__: I really like the conventions part. I am putting it in the packaging guide. The only thing is I don't like how at the beginning is calls the notes and stuff "admonitions" | 12:20 |
| LaserJock | admonitions sound kinda stern or negative | 12:20 |
| mdke__ | i know what you mean | 12:28 |
| mdke__ | LaserJock, i think we should have common prefaces for the docs | 12:28 |
| LaserJock | I agree, since the conventions should be the same | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | and the Contributing and Feedback section would be good too | 12:30 |
| mdke__ | good point | 12:30 |
| mdke__ | also probably "getting help" | 12:30 |
| LaserJock | right | 12:31 |
| LaserJock | what about if there happended to be doc specific conventions? Could those be handled? | 12:32 |
| mdke__ | yes, by not using the common one | 12:34 |
| mdke__ | what do you have in mind? | 12:34 |
| mdke__ | rob1, ping a ling a ling | 12:35 |
| LaserJock | mdke__: I just wondered. If a guide had some special conventions above and beyond the common ones | 12:36 |
| mdke__ | sure, i just couldn't think of what | 12:36 |
| LaserJock | mdke__: for instance in the server guide there is the vim part | 12:36 |
| mdke__ | i believe that the desktopguide has its own for that reason | 12:36 |
| mdke__ | ah, good point | 12:36 |
| mdke__ | why would the serverguide use vim... | 12:36 |
| === mdke__ shakes his head sadly | ||
| LaserJock | I mean, there certainly should be a common convention because we have a common style guide | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | mdke__: because it is installed by default ;-) | 12:37 |
| mdke__ | nano is installed by default too | 12:37 |
| mdke__ | and it's 20 times easier | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | mdke__: sure about that? | 12:37 |
| mdke__ | pretty sure | 12:37 |
| mdke__ | it's on all my systems | 12:37 |
| LaserJock | on a server install? | 12:37 |
| mdke__ | i have a minimal install on my home server, nano is there | 12:38 |
| mdke__ | not a server tho | 12:38 |
| mdke__ | but the serverguide is not only for server installs | 12:38 |
| mdke__ | it's for everything | 12:38 |
| LaserJock | ok, well then they probably should use nano I guess. I mean vim is universal, but nano is easier | 12:38 |
| mdke__ | i haven't done a server install so I dunno, if vim is the only editor on all installs, then it would make sense to use that | 12:39 |
| mdke__ | but nano is much easier | 12:40 |
| MichaleR | Those who know vim can work with nano, those who know nano may not know vim. vim users will seek out vim | 12:40 |
| mdke__ | those who know neither, will prefer nano ;) | 12:41 |
| MichaleR | Yep, if you refer to nano all users are covered and can work | 12:41 |
| mdke__ | anyhow, we should be giving the user a choice in the conventions section | 12:41 |
| mdke__ | i don't see a reason to say "use this" | 12:41 |
| mdke__ | oh yeah i do | 12:42 |
| mdke__ | i guess the format of the guide throughout is "run command x" rather than "edit file y" | 12:42 |
| MichaleR | Yes, those who need the help have it those that don't do the mental substitution and fire up vim | 12:43 |
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| mdke__ | welcome by the way MichaleR | 12:44 |
| MichaleR | thanks | 12:44 |
| mdke__ | MichaleR, interested in ubuntu documentation? | 12:47 |
| MichaleR | A bit, as soon as I fulfill the exercise for the reader between ... | 12:48 |
| MichaleR | checking the svn docs out and extracting one of those for editing | 12:49 |
| MichaleR | or does one edit directly on the tree they've checked out? | 12:52 |
| mdke__ | yeah you can edit them directly | 12:55 |
| mdke__ | MichaleR, sorry, what exercise for the reader? | 12:55 |
| MichaleR | You just answered it. | 12:55 |
| mdke__ | ah ok | 12:56 |
| mdke__ | MichaleR, any particular docs interest you? are you a kubuntu or a ubuntu person? | 12:56 |
| MichaleR | When you check out the repository, do you then have a local subversion repository to check things out of or do you have a doc tree to edit | 12:56 |
| MichaleR | ubuntu | 12:56 |
| MichaleR | I've a history with networking and I see the server docs are ... sparse | 12:56 |
| mdke__ | MichaleR, the server doc was only born a week ago ;) | 12:57 |
| mdke__ | all help much appreciated | 12:57 |
| mdke__ | now, about your question | 12:58 |
| MichaleR | I picked a nice time to show up | 12:58 |
| MichaleR | ;) | 12:58 |
| mdke__ | you check out the repository | 12:58 |
| MichaleR | Which I've done | 12:58 |
| mdke__ | ok cool | 12:58 |
| mdke__ | you can use "svn up" to update it | 12:58 |
| mdke__ | and you can make changes in there, and send diff's to the mailing list | 12:58 |
| mdke__ | the process is described at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository | 12:59 |
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| Burgwork | indeed | 12:59 |
| MichaleR | Yes, I was reading that and got hung up on the "check out of my local or edit it" step, which you just cleared up. | 12:59 |
| Burgwork | they can hide my laziness | 01:00 |
| mdke__ | :) | 01:00 |
| MichaleR | I did want to read the section on openSSH, which was just contributed, but it's not in the serverguide.xml | 01:00 |
| MichaleR | << Also read the style guide to help avoid wrong path | 01:01 |
| mdke__ | serverguide.xml doesn't have any material i think, just includes to the other files that make up the document | 01:01 |
| === mdke__ checks | ||
| mdke__ | yeah, that's right | 01:01 |
| MichaleR | networkapplications in this case | 01:01 |
| MichaleR | or network-applications | 01:02 |
| mdke__ | yes | 01:02 |
| mdke__ | the openssh bit is quite empty | 01:02 |
| mdke__ | in fact, entirely empty ;) | 01:02 |
| MichaleR | I could start in on DNS and DHCP while I lobby for inclusion of postfix in the MTA section | 01:03 |
| mdke__ | erm | 01:03 |
| mdke__ | postfix will be the mta | 01:03 |
| mdke__ | what is there now? | 01:03 |
| MichaleR | Brian Shumate just did something on openSSH according to email list traffic | 01:04 |
| mdke__ | MichaleR, yeah but he hasn't made a patch for us yet | 01:04 |
| MichaleR | exim | 01:04 |
| MichaleR | the debian default MTA | 01:04 |
| mdke__ | ok well postfix is the Ubuntu default MTA | 01:04 |
| mdke__ | :) | 01:04 |
| MichaleR | One of the likeable things . . . | 01:05 |
| mdke__ | i discussed it briefly with bhuvan and we agreed that the guide would use that | 01:05 |
| MichaleR | "guide would use that" that meaning postfix? | 01:07 |
| mdke__ | yes | 01:08 |
| MichaleR | So I can rush right off for a s/Exim/Postfix/ patch to apply :) | 01:09 |
| mdke__ | sure | 01:09 |
| mdke__ | MichaleR, have you had any experience with docbook xml? you find it relatively easy to understand? | 01:10 |
| MichaleR | HA! | 01:11 |
| MichaleR | That's part of the learning curve. | 01:11 |
| mdke__ | :) | 01:11 |
| MichaleR | But as someone who considers vim an advanced HTML editor I'm not too worried. There's validation tools to point out the errors also. | 01:12 |
| mdke__ | MichaleR, don't forget to check your work by using the validate.sh script and building the html. | 01:12 |
| mdke__ | yep, exactly | 01:12 |
| mdke__ | that wiki page should be good enough to get you through, especially since you know html | 01:12 |
| MichaleR | That part was doing well so far, and it directs the reader to my favorite kind of learning ~"read, see examples, mimic" | 01:13 |
| mdke__ | mine too | 01:13 |
| mdke__ | MichaleR, where are you from btw? | 01:13 |
| MichaleR | Portland, Oregon | 01:14 |
| MichaleR | And yes, I did see Jeff at the meeting earlier this week. | 01:14 |
| mdke__ | which jeff, and which meeting? | 01:14 |
| MichaleR | Though I started using Ubuntu in July | 01:14 |
| MichaleR | Jeff Waugh, at the Badger Badger Badger Tour final appearence | 01:15 |
| mdke__ | ah | 01:15 |
| mdke__ | good, well welcome aboard | 01:15 |
| MichaleR | Someone has already changed exim to postfix in the repository. | 01:15 |
| mdke__ | ah good | 01:16 |
| mdke__ | bhuvan i guess | 01:16 |
| MichaleR | How often does that get built out to the web site? | 01:16 |
| mdke__ | every day | 01:16 |
| mdke__ | http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ch04s14.html | 01:16 |
| MichaleR | ah, and the wiki page just lists the outline | 01:18 |
| mdke__ | yeah that's right | 01:18 |
| mdke__ | that may be out of date | 01:18 |
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| MichaleR | Not any more. | 01:20 |
| mdke__ | :) | 01:20 |
| MichaleR | What part of the UK are you in? | 01:22 |
| mdke__ | london | 01:22 |
| Burgwork | poor mdke | 01:24 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| Burgwork | last time I was in london there were two layers of overcast | 01:30 |
| Burgwork | thick heavy overcast | 01:31 |
| Burgwork | of course, I had just come from Spain.... | 01:32 |
| === mdke nods | ||
| mdke | who the hell unbanned that diable guy in -devel | 01:32 |
| mdke | tragic | 01:32 |
| Burgwork | indeed | 01:35 |
| Burgwork | he still owns ubuntu-laptop too | 01:35 |
| Burgwork | mdke, do you work for canonical? | 01:35 |
| mdke | no... | 01:35 |
| mdke | why? | 01:35 |
| Burgwork | some things others said | 01:36 |
| mdke | hmm, tell me all | 01:36 |
| Burgwork | sorry, can't | 01:37 |
| Burgwork | life is filled with secrets | 01:37 |
| Burgwork | but I don't think it involves you getting hired by Canonical | 01:37 |
| mdke | true | 01:38 |
| mdke | i'm not a big fan of rumours about me tho | 01:38 |
| mdke | especially when i don't know what they are | 01:38 |
| Burgwork | not rumours, just they way they talked about you | 01:38 |
| mdke | well as long as it was a good way :D | 01:38 |
| Burgwork | yes it was, don't worry | 01:38 |
| mdke | phew | 01:38 |
| === Burgwork needs to write a bio of himself, in the Ubuntu perspecitive | ||
| mdke | i would have said something if I started working for them | 01:39 |
| mpt | Burgwork: As in "Burgwork is the odd human who tries to use me most days"? | 01:40 |
| Burgwork | mpt, little bit longer, with some more details | 01:40 |
| Burgwork | think author bio | 01:40 |
| mdke | check out bhuvan's website | 01:40 |
| mdke | he has an awesome bio | 01:40 |
| mdke | he even mentions each teacher at school | 01:42 |
| Burgwork | Corey Burger is a member of the Ubuntu Documentation Team, Laptop | 01:42 |
| Burgwork | Testing Team and has been involved with Ubuntu since the first | 01:42 |
| Burgwork | release. Also active in promoting Ubuntu and Open Source, he has given | 01:42 |
| Burgwork | several talks to conferences and Linux User Groups about Ubuntu. His | 01:42 |
| Burgwork | day job involves sales for Userful, a multiseat Linux vendor. | 01:42 |
| Burgwork | any thoughts? | 01:43 |
| mdke | you need the names of the high school teachers | 01:44 |
| mpt | haha | 01:45 |
| Burgwork | ouch | 01:45 |
| Burgwork | seriously, any comments? | 01:46 |
| Burgwork | assume that little bit of writing might be appearing in print | 01:46 |
| mdke | well you know more than me about you | 01:46 |
| mdke | ah, i see | 01:46 |
| mdke | sounds fine | 01:46 |
| mpt | I'd swap the halves of the first sentence | 01:47 |
| mpt | and add an "and" before "Laptop Testing Team" | 01:47 |
| mpt | but other than that it's peachy | 01:47 |
| mdke | ++ | 01:47 |
| Burgwork | thanks | 01:47 |
| mdke | where is it going? | 01:48 |
| === mdke senses another secret | ||
| Burgwork | sorry, can't tell you that | 01:48 |
| mpt | bwahaha | 01:48 |
| mdke | heh | 01:48 |
| === mdke starts putting 2 and 2 together | ||
| Burgwork | dammit, your supposed to get 4 | 01:49 |
| mdke | i was already in double figures | 01:49 |
| mpt | easy, Burgwork, he's only just started | 01:49 |
| mdke | mpt, :( | 01:50 |
| mpt | what? :-) | 01:50 |
| Burgwork | this little secret will be very cool, once I can tell you what it is | 01:50 |
| mdke | is it a job? | 01:50 |
| Burgwork | nah, just a contract | 01:51 |
| mdke | btw, once you reveal that you have a secret, people will guess until they hit it | 01:51 |
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| Burgwork | that might be true | 01:51 |
| mpt | I have a special strategy to deal with that sort of thing | 01:52 |
| mdke | mpt, is it to cover your ears and sing? | 01:52 |
| mpt | no, that's what I do when people start talking about Harry Potter plot lines | 01:52 |
| mdke | hehe | 01:52 |
| mpt | but for anything which could be guessed by a process of elimination, I don't answer any questions at all | 01:53 |
| mdke | quite right too | 01:53 |
| mpt | and for anything morally palatable where, if it was true for me, I wouldn't want people to know, I refuse to answer even if it's false for me | 01:54 |
| mpt | just to provide a little extra cover for the people who it *is* true for | 01:54 |
| === mdke tries to understand that | ||
| === mdke gives up | ||
| mdke | --> sleep | 01:55 |
| mpt | E.g. if you ask me if I work for the KGB, I won't tell you, even though it's very unlikely that I do | 01:55 |
| Burgwork | night mdke | 01:56 |
| mpt | night mdke | 01:56 |
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| MichaleR | g'night and thanks for the introductions | 01:58 |
| Burgwork | mpt, where is the world are you now? | 01:58 |
| Burgwork | salut jsgotangco | 01:58 |
| LaserJock | cya mdke | 02:01 |
| jsgotangco | yo dude | 02:01 |
| jsgotangco | i'm in seoul | 02:01 |
| jsgotangco | i'll be speaking in an hour | 02:01 |
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| mpt | Burgwork, back in Brazil | 02:06 |
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| rob1 | hmm | 06:10 |
| Madpilot | ? | 06:15 |
| rob1 | mdke keeps pinging me but is sleeping when I return from work | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | yeah, that's the problem with global communications | 06:16 |
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| Madpilot | Docbook XML is giving me a headache... four lines of actual writing is enough for the night... | 09:18 |
| === Madpilot is re-writing the Desktop Guide Common Task's "How to burn CDs" information (slowly) | ||
| rob1 | heh | 09:20 |
| rob1 | sounds good | 09:20 |
| Madpilot | Breezy's little popup when you insert a blank CD is great - no need to mention Gnomebaker right away, IMO | 09:21 |
| Madpilot | sweet, some of my hacked XML actually works in Yelp... | 09:21 |
| rob1 | hehe | 09:22 |
| rob1 | nice | 09:22 |
| Madpilot | Docbook is so damned verbose, I'm used to HTML... | 09:22 |
| rob1 | yeah, once you get used to using the whole word its ok | 09:22 |
| Madpilot | hmm... is the "burn photo CD" option actually any different from the "burn data CD" one? Nautilus doesn't seem to act any different... | 09:24 |
| rob1 | are you running dapper yet? | 09:24 |
| Madpilot | no, stock Breezy final | 09:24 |
| rob1 | I would say it probably isn't | 09:24 |
| rob1 | but it could be, I've seen burning apps where the photo thing was actually a vcd slide show | 09:25 |
| Madpilot | yeah | 09:25 |
| Madpilot | I'll leave it out, going to mention Serpentine in 20 words or less, though | 09:25 |
| rob1 | I use nerolinux, for some reason linux doesn't like my dvd burner | 09:26 |
| Madpilot | mine works fine (at least for CDs, haven't bothered trying DVDs in in). Nautilus burns great, so does k3b, gnomebaker always crashes on me and produces coasters... | 09:27 |
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| rob1 | the only way I can do it is manually create .isos on the command line, then run burn it manually using growisofs | 09:29 |
| mdke | rob1, i've got to go to work now :( | 09:29 |
| rob1 | dam | 09:29 |
| mdke | reply to my emails? | 09:29 |
| rob1 | sure, which one? | 09:29 |
| mdke | any one | 09:29 |
| mdke | i've got this working copy of common-tasks.xml hanging around and I don't know whether to commit it | 09:30 |
| rob1 | I'm gonna miss the meetig, christmas shopping to do | 09:30 |
| mdke | ok | 09:30 |
| rob1 | (because its on saturday morning for me) | 09:30 |
| mdke | not much on the agenda anyhow | 09:31 |
| mdke | but I'd love feedback on my desktopguide ideas | 09:31 |
| rob1 | commit your working copy if you want, we can always roll it back if it breaks or whatever | 09:31 |
| rob1 | then I can check it out | 09:31 |
| mdke | rob1, i posted you a link to a build of it | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | mdke: I'm engaged in a large re-write of common-tasks.xml right now - maybe you should commit now before I do too much more? | 09:32 |
| mdke | okay | 09:32 |
| mdke | i wanted to agree an approach with rob | 09:32 |
| rob1 | maybe I should break it up into more files so people can work on each bit | 09:32 |
| Madpilot | it's not a long file now | 09:33 |
| rob1 | hmm | 09:33 |
| mdke | my changes are format based rather than content | 09:33 |
| Madpilot | it's going to be a bit longer once I add the Serpentine stuff, but not much longer | 09:33 |
| mdke | i just changed the music section as an example of where I wanted to go | 09:33 |
| rob1 | I haven't looked at it in about two days.. dam christmas parties | 09:33 |
| Madpilot | mdke: commit, I'll save my changes locally, and cut'n'paste back in after I svn up | 09:34 |
| mdke | alright, doing that now | 09:34 |
| rob1 | mdke, I'm not totally opposed to your ideas, so commit them and I can add my ideas to it | 09:34 |
| Madpilot | OK | 09:34 |
| mdke | rob1, ok, done. I'm off to work, let me know how you find that structure | 09:34 |
| rob1 | mdke, ok | 09:35 |
| mdke | bye | 09:35 |
| rob1 | cya mdke | 09:35 |
| rob1 | man work was torture today, we are in the process of upgrading from nt to xp.. oh the pain, the pain! | 09:36 |
| rob1 | just getting the three pcs sitting on my desk was painful enough | 09:37 |
| rob1 | getting them done, that is | 09:37 |
| Madpilot | now that XP's installed, you've got to make a working OS out if it - that'll take another half day or so... | 09:38 |
| rob1 | we have ghost images made by the software guys, but every one we get is broken in some way | 09:38 |
| rob1 | for some odd reason my home drive isn't mapping properly | 09:39 |
| rob1 | when I log onto a nt box it works fine however | 09:40 |
| Madpilot | fun | 09:40 |
| rob1 | wall| <-- head | 09:40 |
| Madpilot | hmm... when I'm viewing the svn docs thru Yelp (launched from the command line), none of the contents of <xref linkend="add-applications"/> (or any xref tag) seems to show up - is that normal? | 09:41 |
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| rob1 | yelp doesn't properly support some of the more exotic docbook tags | 09:42 |
| rob1 | I just run the makefile (make dg-C in /ubuntu) then check the resulting .html files under /build when I want to see the results | 09:43 |
| rob1 | using firefox | 09:43 |
| Madpilot | I'll figure that out later - for now it's enough that the basic text is appearing where I want it... | 09:44 |
| rob1 | yelp supports olink tags better (so I'm led to beleave) so I'll be changing all the xrefs to olinks soon | 09:45 |
| rob1 | I've already set up the olink database for the desktop guide, so its ready to go for them | 09:46 |
| rob1 | although they work a little differently to xrefs | 09:46 |
| rob1 | bbs | 09:46 |
| Madpilot | should someone do a global search/replace for "Add/Remove Applications", given that the menu entry & app is actually just called "Add Applications"? | 09:46 |
| === Madpilot burns a very strange mix of music, just to test Serpentine... | ||
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| rob1 | Madpilot, we are still deciding how we will tell the users when to install packages | 10:05 |
| Madpilot | fair enough | 10:11 |
| rob1 | does serpentine only do music cds? | 10:11 |
| Madpilot | crap, I can't find the "how to generate an svn diff" stuff on the wiki right now | 10:11 |
| Madpilot | serpentine? yes, AFAIK | 10:11 |
| rob1 | cd to the directory, do svn diff filename.xml > filename.xml.diff | 10:12 |
| Madpilot | thnx | 10:12 |
| Madpilot | OK, diff done for common-tasks.xml, off to the list in a moment | 10:14 |
| rob1 | great, I'll apply it for you | 10:15 |
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| rob1 | hmm | 10:17 |
| bhuvan | Madpilot, ensure to do 'svn up' before preparing 'svn diff' | 10:18 |
| rob1 | I wonder how much nero is to buy? | 10:18 |
| bhuvan | mdke have recently applied a patch to that file, common-tasks.xml | 10:18 |
| Madpilot | bhuvan: I got mdke's patch, so I should be OK | 10:18 |
| bhuvan | nice | 10:19 |
| Madpilot | diff sent to list | 10:19 |
| rob1 | ooo only 19.95 usd | 10:19 |
| rob1 | thats gone down $10 since last time I saw it | 10:20 |
| Madpilot | rob1: got my diff? | 10:35 |
| rob1 | just about to apply it | 10:35 |
| rob1 | did you run the validate script on desktopguide.xml first? | 10:38 |
| Madpilot | yes - see my email - the errors seemed to concern parts of the xml I hadn't modified? | 10:40 |
| rob1 | line 57, in how do I burn music cds | 10:40 |
| rob1 | you just mixed the listitem tags up | 10:40 |
| Madpilot | opened one before closing another? | 10:41 |
| rob1 | yeah | 10:41 |
| Madpilot | yeah, I had two /listitems in a row there, I see now | 10:41 |
| rob1 | fixed and committed | 10:42 |
| Madpilot | thnx | 10:42 |
| rob1 | just run ../../../validate.sh desktopguide.xml and it will tell you where the error is | 10:43 |
| rob1 | and what file its in | 10:43 |
| Madpilot | with the three leading / like that? | 10:43 |
| rob1 | if you run it from the ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/desktopguide/C directory | 10:44 |
| rob1 | because its located in the ubuntu directory | 10:44 |
| Madpilot | OK, got you. | 10:44 |
| Madpilot | the Serpetine section needs a bit of work... but it can wait until tomorrow, it's 0145 here... | 10:45 |
| rob1 | heh yeah, sure | 10:45 |
| rob1 | good work | 10:45 |
| rob1 | btw | 10:45 |
| Madpilot | thanks again - more later | 10:46 |
| === rob1 looks forward to it | ||
| rob1 | we might add the cd burning as its own section or under mulitmedia maybe | 10:55 |
| rob1 | anyway, night | 10:57 |
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| mhz | #ubuntu-devel | 02:47 |
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| bhuvan | regarding server guide.. | 03:21 |
| bhuvan | any opinion about including access methods in version control section | 03:21 |
| bhuvan | various access methods are http://, https://, svn://, svn+ssh://, etc. | 03:21 |
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| jjesse | bhuvan: i think i'm the only one at the keys :) and i haven't had a chance to look at the server guide recently | 03:31 |
| Judax_ | greets | 03:33 |
| bhuvan | jjesse, ok :) | 03:34 |
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| LaserJock | Madpilot: ping? | 05:11 |
| mdke | rob1, around? | 05:43 |
| mdke | can anyone think of any agenda items for the meeting? | 05:44 |
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| mdke | hi there ned | 05:46 |
| ned | hi all :-) | 05:46 |
| ned | I'm a little confused with the docbook thing... | 05:47 |
| mdke | ned, thanks for those mails to the list. | 05:47 |
| mdke | let's get you working in docbook :) | 05:47 |
| ned | you are welcome - it is nice to help | 05:47 |
| ned | I have been reading about it - I thought it was an app :-o | 05:48 |
| mdke | heh | 05:48 |
| mdke | it is like html | 05:48 |
| mdke | are you familiar with html? | 05:48 |
| LaserJock | mdke: what about the common Preface thing? | 05:48 |
| ned | so I see | 05:48 |
| mdke | LaserJock, yeah nice one | 05:48 |
| ned | I know what HTML is but have never used it | 05:48 |
| ned | well never written it | 05:49 |
| mdke | okay | 05:49 |
| mdke | ned, have you got as far as downloading our repository? | 05:49 |
| ned | nope - I'm going through the crashcourse for docbook | 05:50 |
| mdke | ah cool | 05:50 |
| mdke | ned, feel free to fire any questions | 05:50 |
| mdke | i'm not very good with it myself actually | 05:50 |
| ned | hehe | 05:50 |
| mdke | it's a lot of trial and error learning | 05:50 |
| ned | i think I will need to spend quite a while to get the hang of it | 05:51 |
| mdke | ned, a key tool is the validation script in our archive, that tells you if there are any errors | 05:51 |
| LaserJock | ned: it is easier if you work on examples. The docs have a lot of stuff for people used th HTML, etc. | 05:51 |
| mdke | the best thing is to download our repository, and have a look at some examples | 05:51 |
| ned | the desktop guide was really useful btw - I learned alot proof reading it :-) | 05:51 |
| ned | ahh yes that sounds good | 05:51 |
| mdke | the key guide for that is this: | 05:52 |
| mdke | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository | 05:52 |
| ned | okay I will check it out - thx | 05:52 |
| ned | I think it may take a while to download :-) | 06:01 |
| LaserJock | ned: you on dialup, It's about 170MB | 06:04 |
| ned | nahh got adsl thankfully | 06:05 |
| mdke | yeah it's big | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | although it is 170MB on my disk, not sure if it is the same to download | 06:05 |
| ned | what text editor do you folks write in? | 06:05 |
| mdke | gedit | 06:05 |
| mdke | bluefish is nice too | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | gvim or gedit or emacs or nano | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | whatever I feel like at the moment ;-) | 06:06 |
| mdke | something with syntax highlighting will help | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | for sure | 06:06 |
| ned | gedit has syntax highlights? (I haven't used any of those apps) | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | gedit | 06:06 |
| LaserJock | does | 06:07 |
| ned | ok gedit it is then :-) | 06:07 |
| mdke | what part of the uk are you in ned? | 06:07 |
| ned | nottingham/derby area | 06:08 |
| mdke | i'm in london | 06:08 |
| ned | aha | 06:08 |
| ned | it seems gedit is the deault text editor - thats handy | 06:09 |
| ned | *default | 06:09 |
| ned | there instructions say : /ubuntu-doc/gnome/quickguide/C/quick-guide.xml but there is no gnome folder... quickguide is in the root | 06:13 |
| LaserJock | mdke: the diff is starting to get pretty big on packagingguide.xml ;-) | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | ned: go to ubuntu instead of gnome | 06:14 |
| ned | ok | 06:14 |
| mdke | LaserJock, send it over | 06:14 |
| mdke | ned, good point, we'll update them | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | mdke: not quite yet, I just got through the first chapter | 06:15 |
| mdke | LaserJock, it can't hurt, I can apply it immediately and you can carry on working | 06:15 |
| ned | yah its in root of Ubuntu not root of ubuntu-doc | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | mdke: true. just a sec. | 06:16 |
| mdke | ned, we renamed "gnome" to "ubuntu" recently | 06:16 |
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| ned | that would explain it :-) | 06:18 |
| mdke | LaserJock, done | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | mdke: thanks | 06:22 |
| mdke | LaserJock, is the original author helping you out too, or will you be on your own for now? | 06:23 |
| LaserJock | mdke: Honestly, I'm not sure. He said that he wanted to work on it but I get the impression that he was sort of going on his own :( | 06:24 |
| LaserJock | mdke: do you know how to freshen, i.e. get rid of stuff that isn't in the repo, with svn? | 06:28 |
| LaserJock | i can just manually rm stuff but I wondered if there was a more elegant solution | 06:29 |
| mdke | LaserJock, svn revert filename | 06:30 |
| mdke | svn status to see what you've changed | 06:30 |
| mdke | svn revert -R for recursive | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | mdke: but what about files that weren't in the repo to start with, I have stuff in the build directory for example | 06:30 |
| mdke | ah, i always just rm them | 06:31 |
| LaserJock | ok, that's fine | 06:31 |
| mdke | you can always just remove whole directories then do "svn up" to restore what you've lost | 06:32 |
| LaserJock | ah, that's a good idea too | 06:32 |
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| Roman27 | I'm thinking about adding a wiki document, but have a question. | 08:47 |
| Roman27 | Is it possible to start writing a wiki document, but not publish it right away? | 08:48 |
| Roman27 | Hello? | 08:51 |
| Roman27 | Is everyone just idling in here? | 08:52 |
| Roman27 | Hmm... I guess so. | 08:54 |
| Roman27 | Maybe I'll just try it out and see how it goes. | 08:55 |
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| kjcole | Roman27, use a nickname in a sentence to get specific people's attention. | 10:17 |
| mdke | he's not here ;) | 10:17 |
| Kingbahamut | regretable as that might be, he seemed a little stressed in his speaking | 10:18 |
| kjcole | mdke, Oops. I guess I thought he might still be hiding on another channel, and that mentioning a name might alert him. (It does for me in Konversation.) | 10:18 |
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| ned | mdke you here m? | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | ned: do you need something? | 10:32 |
| ned | Hi LJ yes im a little stuck | 10:35 |
| ned | I have been running through the doc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamStepByStepRepository but when I try and validate or yelp it errors | 10:36 |
| LaserJock | ned: what are you working on | 10:47 |
| LaserJock | I guess about-ubuntu.xml? | 10:48 |
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| ned | yes thats it | 10:49 |
| ned | even if i don't make any modes it doesn't work | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | ned: what command are you running to validate it? | 10:50 |
| LaserJock | if I am in the ubuntu-doc/ubuntu/about-ubuntu/C/ directory and run "~/ubuntu-doc/validate.sh about-ubuntu.xml" it works fine | 10:52 |
| ned | let me see... | 10:52 |
| ned | hmm thats wasn'y the directory but if I do that I just get a ">" | 10:55 |
| LaserJock | ned: so it validated | 10:56 |
| ned | yes I guess that one did - but the doc itself has changed - the references to gnome have gone :-) | 10:57 |
| LaserJock | ned: so did I answer your question or do you need more? | 10:58 |
| ned | I will run through it all again and see what happens | 10:58 |
| ned | thanks LJ | 10:58 |
| LaserJock | np, that's what we are here for :-) | 10:59 |
| kjcole | Did my calendar screw up? (More precisely "Was there/will there be a DocTeam meeting?" The Fridge says "now". | 11:05 |
| ned | LJ yes the instructions from this new guide work :-) the old one had a load of gnome references and pointed at ubuntu/quickguide/C/quick-guide.xml | 11:07 |
| ned | I think I picked a bad time to practice hehe | 11:07 |
| mdke | oh good point kjcole | 11:08 |
| ned | hi kjcole I can't help you with the DocTem meeting :-/ | 11:08 |
| mdke | kjcole, dude your irc client pings you when someone mentions your name on a channel you're not even on? | 11:08 |
| mdke | that is serious use of the force | 11:08 |
| kjcole | mdke, yep. Konversation's rather nice that way. (You have to go in and tweak the default settings to turn that feature on.) | 11:09 |
| mdke | lemme try | 11:10 |
| mdke | kjcole, get that? | 11:10 |
| kjcole | Yep. | 11:10 |
| mdke | wtf! | 11:10 |
| mdke | what channel did i ping you from? | 11:10 |
| kjcole | #ubuntu-doc | 11:11 |
| mdke | no... | 11:11 |
| mdke | you're in #ubuntu-doc now | 11:11 |
| mdke | i pinged you from #ubuntu-it | 11:11 |
| mdke | there is no way of technology that I can even imagine that you could have heard that :) | 11:12 |
| mdke | even with kde | 11:12 |
| mdke | so if you did, you have supernatural powers | 11:12 |
| kjcole | mdke, bizarre! It showed up in my ubuntu-doc tab, even though I had the focus on #ubuntu-meeting. | 11:13 |
| mdke | erm ok i'll say something else | 11:13 |
| mdke | kjcole, what number did i say? | 11:13 |
| kjcole | mdke, never mind. I understand. When I responded "yup" I was responding to the fact that I got "kjcole, get that?" The actual message you sent from ubuntu-it I didn't get, but didn't know there was one to get, so I assumed I had gotten what you sent. | 11:14 |
| mdke | lol | 11:14 |
| kjcole | mdke, (did that make any sense?) | 11:14 |
| mdke | phreaky | 11:14 |
| mdke | yeah | 11:14 |
| mdke | ok phew | 11:14 |
| kjcole | mdke, I didn't get the number you said. | 11:14 |
| mdke | so you aren't psychic | 11:15 |
| mdke | :( | 11:15 |
| kjcole | mdke, I wish. | 11:15 |
| ned | anyone know when the server starter guide preview will be up? | 11:17 |
| LaserJock | ned: try doc.ubuntu.com | 11:18 |
| ned | will do - thx | 11:18 |
| ned | how come there is no serverguide in the repository I have downloaded? | 11:26 |
| mdke | ned, did you download the whole trunk? | 11:27 |
| ned | ummm I don't know m | 11:27 |
| ned | I followed the instructions | 11:27 |
| mdke | have you got a "generic" folder? | 11:28 |
| mdke | that's where the serverguide is | 11:28 |
| ned | and if I svn up it does not pull anything else down | 11:28 |
| ned | aha yes I do have it - thanks mdke | 11:28 |
| mdke | ned, how are you getting on? | 11:29 |
| ned | lol confused | 11:29 |
| mdke | ned, just ask | 11:30 |
| ned | is the serverguide at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/ a preview? if so how come there is no link to it? | 11:32 |
| ned | ... from the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocteamProjects | 11:32 |
| mdke | ned, negligence | 11:33 |
| ned | ok thats a bit clearer - but why is in generic and not ubuntu? | 11:33 |
| mdke | ned, because it will ship with kubuntu too | 11:35 |
| ned | ahhh I see :-) | 11:35 |
| ned | I am just a bit lost - thanks for the help m | 11:35 |
| mdke | no, good question | 11:35 |
| mdke | and that's the second error on our wiki pages you've pointed out, so that helps too ;) | 11:35 |
| ned | great :-) | 11:36 |
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| rob1 | hi | 11:41 |
| mdke | rob1! | 11:43 |
| rob1 | :) | 11:44 |
| mdke | hey Judax | 12:01 |
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| Judax | Hi | 12:01 |
| Judax | sorry, late to meetig | 12:01 |
| LaserJock | there wasn't much of a meeting | 12:01 |
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