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| CataEnry | hi all | 12:34 |
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| fabbione | Log for successful build of linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-6.8 (dist=dapper) | 06:15 |
| fabbione | morning | 06:16 |
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| minghua | my 2.6.15-6.8 kernel finally boots (although with PCMCIA failure), thank you guys for the hard work! | 06:22 |
| dilinger | the lustre people are no longer making the free software community wait 6-12 months for a gpl'd lustre | 07:36 |
| dilinger | the latest release is gpl'd and available to everyone | 07:36 |
| === dilinger may need to package that up for debian and ubuntu | ||
| fabbione | hmmm | 07:38 |
| fabbione | impressive | 07:38 |
| fabbione | against what kernel did they released now? | 07:38 |
| fabbione | 2.4.1 ? | 07:38 |
| fabbione | ;) | 07:38 |
| dilinger | they claim to support 2.6 | 07:41 |
| fabbione | last i checked it was 2.6.8 | 07:42 |
| fabbione | and the patches are a real mess | 07:42 |
| fabbione | but if you can come up with a decent solution we can for sure look at it | 07:42 |
| dilinger | http://www.clusterfs.com/download.html | 07:42 |
| dilinger | there's a beta, too | 07:42 |
| dilinger | that might support newer stuff | 07:42 |
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| CataEnry | hi all | 10:07 |
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| fabbione | mjg59: ping? | 10:42 |
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| mjg59 | fabbione: Hi | 11:39 |
| fabbione | mjg59: sorry.. having lunch right.. is it normal that .15 spin down disks that are part of a RAID? | 11:52 |
| fabbione | like it's putting all of them to sleep | 11:52 |
| fabbione | it does work to access them | 11:52 |
| fabbione | they get woken up | 11:52 |
| fabbione | but hell | 11:52 |
| fabbione | it's slow! | 11:52 |
| mjg59 | No idea | 11:52 |
| mjg59 | I'm afraid I haven't looked at the disk code at all | 11:57 |
| fabbione | hmm ok | 12:06 |
| fabbione | is there a way i can check these events somewhere? | 12:06 |
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| jbailey | BenC: More interesting randomness on the ppc64. When a screensaver kicks in, it also hangs X and (it seems) every application running in it). | 01:57 |
| jbailey | The apps seems to work well enough that they still run (so my IRC session stayed live), however, all the timestamps in x-chat all say 7:54, when I unfroze it. | 01:58 |
| jbailey | To unfreeze, all I had to do was kill the screensaver. | 01:58 |
| jbailey | Mmm, no. The applications really are locked. OFTC does an irc ping, and it lost its connection. Freenode doesn't seem to, and it stayed live. | 02:00 |
| jbailey | So I'm guessing kernel TCP handling works, applications just buffer. | 02:00 |
| BenC | jbailey: I've experienced that with my G4, even on breezy, especially GL screen savers | 02:20 |
| jbailey | Interesting. | 02:20 |
| jbailey | It's new here for me. | 02:20 |
| jbailey | Are you using hardware accelleration on your G4? | 02:20 |
| jbailey | It's not supported on this video card. | 02:20 |
| BenC | stock install, so whatever it decided to activate | 02:21 |
| BenC | the GL is really slow, so I don't think it has any accel | 02:22 |
| infinity | It won't. | 02:22 |
| zul | morning | 02:22 |
| BenC | hey zul | 02:23 |
| infinity | Well, if it's a really old ATI (Radeon 9000ish), it will have a bit of accel, but not enough make you care or go "wow". | 02:23 |
| fabbione | hey BenC | 02:24 |
| fabbione | 6.8 is in the archive | 02:24 |
| jbailey | fabbione: Wow, glibc, kernel. All you need is X and you're playing with the big kids again.. | 02:25 |
| === jbailey hides | ||
| jbailey | =) | 02:25 |
| BenC | yo fabbione | 02:26 |
| BenC | it's a Rage 128 Pro | 02:26 |
| BenC | so it's even older :) | 02:26 |
| infinity | I don't think we have accel on Rage128, but I can't be positive. | 02:26 |
| infinity | Pretty sure not, though. | 02:27 |
| fabbione | jbailey: i am choaking gcc-3.4 and 4.0 now.. it will take a while to get there | 02:27 |
| infinity | (3D, that is, we have plenty of 2D accel on the whole 64/128 family) | 02:27 |
| infinity | fabbione : Did you NFU LRM again, or is it just down in the queue? | 02:27 |
| fabbione | infinity: no, it's in the queue.. it took a while to get the binaries NEW'ed for the b-d | 02:28 |
| infinity | Ahh, right. | 02:28 |
| BenC | so lrm/linux-meta/udev is all good now, right? | 02:28 |
| infinity | For everything but sparc and hppa, yes. | 02:29 |
| infinity | Of course, you'll break it with your next upload again, Captain ABI-bump-on-every-upload. | 02:29 |
| infinity | (We're going to ship dapper with 2.6.15-37 or something, aren't we?) :) | 02:30 |
| jbailey | RH does. | 02:33 |
| jbailey | We're just catching up with them. =) | 02:33 |
| BenC | yes we are :) | 02:33 |
| BenC | actually, I was hoping to pull in all the abi's this time and start actually checking for when we need an abi bump | 02:33 |
| BenC | but I accidentally disabled the script that copies the ABI's into the .deb's | 02:34 |
| fabbione | LOl | 02:34 |
| === fabbione scratches BenC's head with a spoon | ||
| BenC | I even wrote a nice little script to download all the abi's and put them into the git tree, but it kept saying "NO ABI FILE" | 02:34 |
| === infinity claps. | ||
| === BenC takes a bow | ||
| infinity | So, who feels like some online poker? | 02:37 |
| fabbione | hmmm | 02:37 |
| BenC | ooh ooh, I do, I do :) | 02:37 |
| fabbione | not a bad idea :) | 02:37 |
| fabbione | BenC: is your client/server ready for testing? | 02:37 |
| infinity | fabbione : Good, play with BenC, it'll make him feel better. :) | 02:37 |
| fabbione | infinity: ahahah like if i don't know Ben is a player | 02:37 |
| BenC | fabbione: I stopped working on it when I started with canonical | 02:37 |
| BenC | I still have all the code, maybe one day I'll finish it | 02:38 |
| fabbione | make it a kernel network protocol | 02:38 |
| fabbione | poker.ko | 02:38 |
| BenC | modprobe texas-holdem | 02:38 |
| fabbione | ehehe | 02:38 |
| infinity | Oh, it's still Friday for you guys, I should stop being offtopic. | 02:40 |
| === infinity gets out of weekend mode for the greater good. | ||
| BenC | lol, yeah, I just work up :) | 02:40 |
| BenC | woke up | 02:40 |
| BenC | and haven't had any coffee yet, as if my typing isn't a good sign of that | 02:40 |
| === BenC is finally upgrading all his machines to dapper | ||
| jbailey | I wanted my brother-in-law play texas-holdem online at pokerroom.com for for like 8 days. | 02:41 |
| jbailey | It's how he wanted to spend his vacation time in Montral. | 02:41 |
| fabbione | infinity: you know... i have already done 7 hours today.. i could stop just 40 minutes ago | 02:41 |
| jbailey | fabbione: You get 6 hour days under .dk law, too? | 02:41 |
| fabbione | 7 | 02:41 |
| fabbione | i started at 6 | 02:41 |
| jbailey | Bastard. | 02:42 |
| fabbione | 6 + 7 = 13 | 02:42 |
| fabbione | it's 14:40 | 02:42 |
| fabbione | considering i did jerk a bit around + lunch.. | 02:42 |
| fabbione | i am done | 02:42 |
| infinity | .dk law allows you to "jerk around" at work? | 02:42 |
| infinity | I'm moving. | 02:42 |
| fabbione | infinity: no.. that's why it's 8:40 that i am around | 02:42 |
| BenC | jbailey: while unemplyed, I turned $100 into $9400 in 8 days on doylesroom.com | 02:42 |
| BenC | too $9000 out and lost the $400 playing tournaments | 02:43 |
| infinity | (And the lost it a week later) | 02:43 |
| infinity | s/the/then/ | 02:43 |
| BenC | ...and then put the $9000 back in and lost it, yes :P | 02:43 |
| BenC | haven't taken the time to play high stakes like that again | 02:45 |
| jbailey | *lol* | 02:45 |
| jbailey | I so wanted to convince him to stay for the conference. I was pretty certain there'd be poker players there. | 02:45 |
| === BenC has a trip planned for Atlantic City in February for the World Series of Poker Circuit events | ||
| jbailey | He never found a poker room here in Montral. | 02:45 |
| infinity | BenC : Planning on being on TV? | 02:46 |
| BenC | jbailey: me either, I went to Casino De Montreal, and they had nothing | 02:46 |
| BenC | infinity: I'm only playing the $500 tournament, but if I can win enough there, I will play the televised $10,000 tournament | 02:46 |
| zul | BenC: the nearest legal poker rooms you are going to find are in cornwall | 02:47 |
| jbailey | Is the $500 tourney prize a free invite to the higher level one? | 02:47 |
| BenC | last $500 tournament I played back in August, there were 1180 people, and I lasted for 12.5 hours and went out 97th | 02:47 |
| jbailey | zul: Is poken Illegal in Montral? | 02:47 |
| zul | i dont think so...but the casinos are government run | 02:47 |
| BenC | jbailey: $500, first place is usually like $75,000 - $200,000 depending on how many people sign up | 02:47 |
| zul | and its like a franchise ;) | 02:47 |
| BenC | I was told they weren't legal in MOntreal _yet_ | 02:48 |
| BenC | poker that is | 02:48 |
| BenC | which is odd, because all the games that are legal in the casinos are just gambling, poker atleast has some skill involved | 02:48 |
| jbailey | Right. | 02:49 |
| jbailey | They have video slot terminals here. | 02:49 |
| jbailey | What gets worse than that? | 02:49 |
| zul | its legal in cornwall apparently ;) | 02:50 |
| BenC | I saw a thing on discovery about how terrible the RNG's are in those computerized slots | 02:50 |
| BenC | a guy that worked for the gamin commission figured out how to get 33-1 odds to win kino (which is like the lottery) | 02:50 |
| jbailey | Kino is that thing where the numbers just appear on the board. | 02:52 |
| jbailey | Like a Lotto game every 6 minutes? | 02:52 |
| BenC | yeah | 02:52 |
| jbailey | I played that for an hour once. | 02:52 |
| BenC | but they don't use balls, just a computer | 02:52 |
| jbailey | A byunch of coworkers and I went. | 02:52 |
| jbailey | Sure, they have terminals all over in Vancouver. | 02:52 |
| jbailey | They're all centrally done, so like any corner store will have them. | 02:52 |
| BenC | crazy | 02:53 |
| jbailey | We were bored, it was wet out, had $20 burning a hole in my pocket, so we decided to go burn it. =) | 02:53 |
| BenC | and burned it you did, I bet :) | 02:53 |
| jbailey | Yup! | 02:53 |
| jbailey | But that's how I always gamble. | 02:53 |
| jbailey | I start out with an amount of money I want to lose. | 02:53 |
| jbailey | And then I play until it's gone. | 02:53 |
| jbailey | I'm not generally satisfied if I walk out of the casino with it in hand. | 02:54 |
| jbailey | It also means that I never have thoughts of "one more pull", or anything like that. | 02:54 |
| jbailey | If I have the money, of *course* it's one more pull. | 02:54 |
| jbailey | If I had gone out to a bar or a movie or whatever, I wouldn't have any left, so sitting around a blackjack table with friends is just another night out. | 02:55 |
| BenC | yeah, that's a good way to look at it | 02:56 |
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| zul | they had slot machines at the hotel in montreal | 03:00 |
| jbailey | Slot machines aren't social. | 03:03 |
| jbailey | That's why the kino was at least fun. We all sat around the machine picking numbers and talking about probability distributions, stats and game theory. | 03:03 |
| jbailey | A perfect geek lunch. =) | 03:03 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: linux-doc-2.6.15 needs to conflict with linux-doc-2.6.12. | 03:04 |
| BenC | yes, already done in git | 03:04 |
| Mithrandir | coolie | 03:04 |
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| BenC | actually now, it c/p/r linux-doc-2.6 | 03:04 |
| === BenC loves satsifying a bug report without actually doing what everyone says he needs to do | ||
| Mithrandir | haha | 03:05 |
| infinity | BenC : Hrm, I thought the linux-doc packages were supposed to install everything to /usr/share/doc/package-version? | 03:13 |
| infinity | Why should they need to conflict? | 03:14 |
| infinity | (Not that there's much value in having multiple cversions installed anyway) | 03:14 |
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| Mithrandir | infinity: man pages. | 03:37 |
| infinity | Ahh, right. | 03:42 |
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| CataEnry | bye all | 05:40 |
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| BenC | can anyone see a reason for enabling USB network devices for our server class kernel? | 05:44 |
| BenC | IMO, I can't think of anything we need USB for servers other than HID/kbd/mouse and mass-storage | 05:45 |
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| jbailey | BenC: Mmm.. What do you define as a server? | 06:02 |
| jbailey | BenC: I know of a number of places that use laptops for their servers. | 06:03 |
| jbailey | gives the nice advantage that you can take it home at the end of the day and there's no risk of it getting stolen. | 06:03 |
| BenC | jbailey: servers being things that you install and never move again :) | 06:03 |
| BenC | like NUMA systems and such, 8-way xeon, 32GIgs ram, etc. | 06:04 |
| jbailey | Also, it's not unreasonable to start thinking of just doing wireless on the whole network. USB wireless is better than PCI wireless because you can move the antenna around. | 06:04 |
| jbailey | Hmm. | 06:04 |
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| jbailey | We should be clear that server doesn't mean "file server" or "print server", then. | 06:04 |
| CataEnry | hi :) | 06:04 |
| BenC | I'm talking about servers where you generally have GigE to the data warehouse for your content management system | 06:04 |
| BenC | jbailey: this kernel probably wont boot on a P4, because of the kernel config it is using | 06:05 |
| jbailey | Right, but SMEs still have things that they call servers. We need to make sure that they don't install the server edition then. | 06:05 |
| BenC | this kernel is mainly going to be for our server certification program, where we are supporting known macines from known vendors | 06:06 |
| jbailey | Sure. But we shouldn't call it our server release. | 06:06 |
| jbailey | It should be high end computing or something like that. | 06:06 |
| BenC | well, I'm using the names in the specs :) | 06:06 |
| jbailey | Which spec? | 06:07 |
| BenC | ... | 06:07 |
| jbailey | I just want to make sure that we don't forget that there's a whole class of SME folks who need to be functional and may install these if they look tempting. | 06:07 |
| BenC | ubuntu-server-kernel and testing-server-hardware | 06:09 |
| jbailey | Ah, KernelServerRoadmap | 06:14 |
| jbailey | Ah, you're registrant, assignee, and drafter, with fabbione approving. | 06:15 |
| jbailey | When he's back, maybe I can pitch my thoughts to both of you. =) | 06:15 |
| BenC | ok :) | 06:37 |
| BenC | since you're the one that handles a lot of these type customers, then your input is very much needed | 06:37 |
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| BenC | jbailey: any word for the customer with the acl880? | 06:38 |
| jbailey | BenC: None yet. | 06:38 |
| BenC | are they going to test -6.8 | 06:39 |
| BenC | ? | 06:39 |
| jbailey | I've asked them to. | 06:39 |
| BenC | ok | 06:39 |
| jbailey | They're an email-based customer, and in .nl, so there's a bit of a lag in the conversations. | 06:39 |
| BenC | ah | 06:40 |
| jbailey | I can see some screensavers fine, it's just after a while that they die. | 06:42 |
| jbailey | I wonder if it's when it's trying to do a DPMS shutdown. | 06:42 |
| jbailey | I should try your suggestion and drop the use of the FB. | 06:42 |
| jbailey | I'll do that next reboot. | 06:42 |
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| jbailey | BenC: Fabio can do 20UTC on Monday for talking about it. Will you be around then? | 06:46 |
| BenC | yeah | 06:46 |
| mkrufky | in which chatroom is it appropriate to ask about ubuntu .deb packages? | 06:46 |
| mkrufky | (i dont want to bother u guys) | 06:47 |
| BenC | depends on the question, either #ubuntu-user, or #ubuntu-devel | 06:47 |
| mkrufky | ah, ok thanks | 06:49 |
| mkrufky | #ubuntu-user[s] empty | 06:49 |
| zul_ | jbailey: ill be around as well so i can listen in | 06:57 |
| jbailey | zul_: Cool! | 06:58 |
| CataEnry | bye | 06:58 |
| zul_ | blah | 08:11 |
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| BenC | dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.15-7-server-generic' in `../linux-image-2.6.15-7-server-generic_2.6.15-7.9_i386.deb'. | 09:18 |
| BenC | yummy | 09:18 |
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| BenC | lamont__: ping | 09:20 |
| BenC | lamont-away: ping aswell | 09:20 |
| lamont__ | heh | 09:21 |
| lamont__ | sup? | 09:21 |
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| BenC | lamont: hey, what was the issue booting initramfs on ia64? | 09:28 |
| BenC | because I just booted my i2k with an initrd generated with update-initramfs | 09:29 |
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| BenC | or maybe I didn't...you have to rerun elilo even when changing the initrd... | 09:31 |
| BenC | let me try again | 09:31 |
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| BenC | lamont: that elilo thing is going to be an issue when ia64 switches to update-initramfs | 09:55 |
| === BenC wonders if we are going to need to break out the kernel-package boot-loader update stuff into another script | ||
| BenC | like update-bootloader | 09:56 |
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| chuck | BenC: question for you...was there any talk about having kernels in universe. i was reading an old meeting agenda on the wiki | 10:06 |
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| BenC | a little, but nothing has come of it that I know | 10:06 |
| zul | okie dokie | 10:08 |
| zul | because i need to get involved again since this project at work is coming to an end, thank god | 10:08 |
| BenC | hehe | 10:12 |
| zul | anyways im going home...toodles | 10:12 |
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