=== doko_ [n=doko@dslb-084-059-077-153.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === CataEnry [n=cataenry@host204-30.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [12:34] hi all === jbailey [n=jbailey@modemcable139.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === calc [n=ccheney@ip70-185-4-246.ma.dl.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC_ [n=bcollins@dpc674797249.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:15] Log for successful build of linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-6.8 (dist=dapper) [06:16] morning === minghua [n=minghua@69-153-139-23.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:22] my 2.6.15-6.8 kernel finally boots (although with PCMCIA failure), thank you guys for the hard work! [07:36] the lustre people are no longer making the free software community wait 6-12 months for a gpl'd lustre [07:36] the latest release is gpl'd and available to everyone === dilinger may need to package that up for debian and ubuntu [07:38] hmmm [07:38] impressive [07:38] against what kernel did they released now? [07:38] 2.4.1 ? [07:38] ;) [07:41] they claim to support 2.6 [07:42] last i checked it was 2.6.8 [07:42] and the patches are a real mess [07:42] but if you can come up with a decent solution we can for sure look at it [07:42] http://www.clusterfs.com/download.html [07:42] there's a beta, too [07:42] that might support newer stuff === lbm [n=lbm@cpe.atm4-0-1301006.0x50a0824e.vgnxx6.customer.tele.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === chmj [n=chmj@dsl-146-190-110.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === fabbione [n=fabbione@port49.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === CataEnry [n=Enrico@host204-30.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:07] hi all === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:42] mjg59: ping? === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [11:39] fabbione: Hi [11:52] mjg59: sorry.. having lunch right.. is it normal that .15 spin down disks that are part of a RAID? [11:52] like it's putting all of them to sleep [11:52] it does work to access them [11:52] they get woken up [11:52] but hell [11:52] it's slow! [11:52] No idea [11:57] I'm afraid I haven't looked at the disk code at all [12:06] hmm ok [12:06] is there a way i can check these events somewhere? === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-201-251.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [01:57] BenC: More interesting randomness on the ppc64. When a screensaver kicks in, it also hangs X and (it seems) every application running in it). [01:58] The apps seems to work well enough that they still run (so my IRC session stayed live), however, all the timestamps in x-chat all say 7:54, when I unfroze it. [01:58] To unfreeze, all I had to do was kill the screensaver. [02:00] Mmm, no. The applications really are locked. OFTC does an irc ping, and it lost its connection. Freenode doesn't seem to, and it stayed live. [02:00] So I'm guessing kernel TCP handling works, applications just buffer. [02:20] jbailey: I've experienced that with my G4, even on breezy, especially GL screen savers [02:20] Interesting. [02:20] It's new here for me. [02:20] Are you using hardware accelleration on your G4? [02:20] It's not supported on this video card. [02:21] stock install, so whatever it decided to activate [02:22] the GL is really slow, so I don't think it has any accel [02:22] It won't. [02:22] morning [02:23] hey zul [02:23] Well, if it's a really old ATI (Radeon 9000ish), it will have a bit of accel, but not enough make you care or go "wow". [02:24] hey BenC [02:24] 6.8 is in the archive [02:25] fabbione: Wow, glibc, kernel. All you need is X and you're playing with the big kids again.. === jbailey hides [02:25] =) [02:26] yo fabbione [02:26] it's a Rage 128 Pro [02:26] so it's even older :) [02:26] I don't think we have accel on Rage128, but I can't be positive. [02:27] Pretty sure not, though. [02:27] jbailey: i am choaking gcc-3.4 and 4.0 now.. it will take a while to get there [02:27] (3D, that is, we have plenty of 2D accel on the whole 64/128 family) [02:27] fabbione : Did you NFU LRM again, or is it just down in the queue? [02:28] infinity: no, it's in the queue.. it took a while to get the binaries NEW'ed for the b-d [02:28] Ahh, right. [02:28] so lrm/linux-meta/udev is all good now, right? [02:29] For everything but sparc and hppa, yes. [02:29] Of course, you'll break it with your next upload again, Captain ABI-bump-on-every-upload. [02:30] (We're going to ship dapper with 2.6.15-37 or something, aren't we?) :) [02:33] RH does. [02:33] We're just catching up with them. =) [02:33] yes we are :) [02:33] actually, I was hoping to pull in all the abi's this time and start actually checking for when we need an abi bump [02:34] but I accidentally disabled the script that copies the ABI's into the .deb's [02:34] LOl === fabbione scratches BenC's head with a spoon [02:34] I even wrote a nice little script to download all the abi's and put them into the git tree, but it kept saying "NO ABI FILE" === infinity claps. === BenC takes a bow [02:37] So, who feels like some online poker? [02:37] hmmm [02:37] ooh ooh, I do, I do :) [02:37] not a bad idea :) [02:37] BenC: is your client/server ready for testing? [02:37] fabbione : Good, play with BenC, it'll make him feel better. :) [02:37] infinity: ahahah like if i don't know Ben is a player [02:37] fabbione: I stopped working on it when I started with canonical [02:38] I still have all the code, maybe one day I'll finish it [02:38] make it a kernel network protocol [02:38] poker.ko [02:38] modprobe texas-holdem [02:38] ehehe [02:40] Oh, it's still Friday for you guys, I should stop being offtopic. === infinity gets out of weekend mode for the greater good. [02:40] lol, yeah, I just work up :) [02:40] woke up [02:40] and haven't had any coffee yet, as if my typing isn't a good sign of that === BenC is finally upgrading all his machines to dapper [02:41] I wanted my brother-in-law play texas-holdem online at pokerroom.com for for like 8 days. [02:41] It's how he wanted to spend his vacation time in Montral. [02:41] infinity: you know... i have already done 7 hours today.. i could stop just 40 minutes ago [02:41] fabbione: You get 6 hour days under .dk law, too? [02:41] 7 [02:41] i started at 6 [02:42] Bastard. [02:42] 6 + 7 = 13 [02:42] it's 14:40 [02:42] considering i did jerk a bit around + lunch.. [02:42] i am done [02:42] .dk law allows you to "jerk around" at work? [02:42] I'm moving. [02:42] infinity: no.. that's why it's 8:40 that i am around [02:42] jbailey: while unemplyed, I turned $100 into $9400 in 8 days on doylesroom.com [02:43] too $9000 out and lost the $400 playing tournaments [02:43] (And the lost it a week later) [02:43] s/the/then/ [02:43] ...and then put the $9000 back in and lost it, yes :P [02:45] haven't taken the time to play high stakes like that again [02:45] *lol* [02:45] I so wanted to convince him to stay for the conference. I was pretty certain there'd be poker players there. === BenC has a trip planned for Atlantic City in February for the World Series of Poker Circuit events [02:45] He never found a poker room here in Montral. [02:46] BenC : Planning on being on TV? [02:46] jbailey: me either, I went to Casino De Montreal, and they had nothing [02:46] infinity: I'm only playing the $500 tournament, but if I can win enough there, I will play the televised $10,000 tournament [02:47] BenC: the nearest legal poker rooms you are going to find are in cornwall [02:47] Is the $500 tourney prize a free invite to the higher level one? [02:47] last $500 tournament I played back in August, there were 1180 people, and I lasted for 12.5 hours and went out 97th [02:47] zul: Is poken Illegal in Montral? [02:47] i dont think so...but the casinos are government run [02:47] jbailey: $500, first place is usually like $75,000 - $200,000 depending on how many people sign up [02:47] and its like a franchise ;) [02:48] I was told they weren't legal in MOntreal _yet_ [02:48] poker that is [02:48] which is odd, because all the games that are legal in the casinos are just gambling, poker atleast has some skill involved [02:49] Right. [02:49] They have video slot terminals here. [02:49] What gets worse than that? [02:50] its legal in cornwall apparently ;) [02:50] I saw a thing on discovery about how terrible the RNG's are in those computerized slots [02:50] a guy that worked for the gamin commission figured out how to get 33-1 odds to win kino (which is like the lottery) [02:52] Kino is that thing where the numbers just appear on the board. [02:52] Like a Lotto game every 6 minutes? [02:52] yeah [02:52] I played that for an hour once. [02:52] but they don't use balls, just a computer [02:52] A byunch of coworkers and I went. [02:52] Sure, they have terminals all over in Vancouver. [02:52] They're all centrally done, so like any corner store will have them. [02:53] crazy [02:53] We were bored, it was wet out, had $20 burning a hole in my pocket, so we decided to go burn it. =) [02:53] and burned it you did, I bet :) [02:53] Yup! [02:53] But that's how I always gamble. [02:53] I start out with an amount of money I want to lose. [02:53] And then I play until it's gone. [02:54] I'm not generally satisfied if I walk out of the casino with it in hand. [02:54] It also means that I never have thoughts of "one more pull", or anything like that. [02:54] If I have the money, of *course* it's one more pull. [02:55] If I had gone out to a bar or a movie or whatever, I wouldn't have any left, so sitting around a blackjack table with friends is just another night out. [02:56] yeah, that's a good way to look at it === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:00] they had slot machines at the hotel in montreal [03:03] Slot machines aren't social. [03:03] That's why the kino was at least fun. We all sat around the machine picking numbers and talking about probability distributions, stats and game theory. [03:03] A perfect geek lunch. =) [03:04] BenC: linux-doc-2.6.15 needs to conflict with linux-doc-2.6.12. [03:04] yes, already done in git [03:04] coolie === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:jbailey] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | New git tree for dapper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | 2.6.15-6.8 uploaded (The "Can it get much better?" release) | MOSTFREQ reported bug: linux-doc-2.6.15 needs to conflict with linux-doc-2.6.12. [03:04] actually now, it c/p/r linux-doc-2.6 === BenC loves satsifying a bug report without actually doing what everyone says he needs to do [03:05] haha [03:13] BenC : Hrm, I thought the linux-doc packages were supposed to install everything to /usr/share/doc/package-version? [03:14] Why should they need to conflict? [03:14] (Not that there's much value in having multiple cversions installed anyway) === TheMuso [n=luke@dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Yagisan [n=jamie@60-240-201-251.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [03:37] infinity: man pages. [03:42] Ahh, right. === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === Traxer582 [i=traxer@shell6.powershells.de] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:40] bye all === trevilor- [n=trevilor@p549CDC2B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [05:44] can anyone see a reason for enabling USB network devices for our server class kernel? [05:45] IMO, I can't think of anything we need USB for servers other than HID/kbd/mouse and mass-storage === zul_ [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:02] BenC: Mmm.. What do you define as a server? [06:03] BenC: I know of a number of places that use laptops for their servers. [06:03] gives the nice advantage that you can take it home at the end of the day and there's no risk of it getting stolen. [06:03] jbailey: servers being things that you install and never move again :) [06:04] like NUMA systems and such, 8-way xeon, 32GIgs ram, etc. [06:04] Also, it's not unreasonable to start thinking of just doing wireless on the whole network. USB wireless is better than PCI wireless because you can move the antenna around. [06:04] Hmm. === CataEnry [n=Enrico@host204-30.pool8248.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:04] We should be clear that server doesn't mean "file server" or "print server", then. [06:04] hi :) [06:04] I'm talking about servers where you generally have GigE to the data warehouse for your content management system [06:05] jbailey: this kernel probably wont boot on a P4, because of the kernel config it is using [06:05] Right, but SMEs still have things that they call servers. We need to make sure that they don't install the server edition then. [06:06] this kernel is mainly going to be for our server certification program, where we are supporting known macines from known vendors [06:06] Sure. But we shouldn't call it our server release. [06:06] It should be high end computing or something like that. [06:06] well, I'm using the names in the specs :) [06:07] Which spec? [06:07] ... [06:07] I just want to make sure that we don't forget that there's a whole class of SME folks who need to be functional and may install these if they look tempting. [06:09] ubuntu-server-kernel and testing-server-hardware [06:14] Ah, KernelServerRoadmap [06:15] Ah, you're registrant, assignee, and drafter, with fabbione approving. [06:15] When he's back, maybe I can pitch my thoughts to both of you. =) [06:37] ok :) [06:37] since you're the one that handles a lot of these type customers, then your input is very much needed === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | New git tree for dapper: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide | 2.6.15-6.8 uploaded (The "Can it get much better?" release) | MOSTFREQ reported bug: linux-doc-2.6.15 needs to conflict with linux-doc-2.6.12 | MOSTFREQ response, "so?" [06:38] jbailey: any word for the customer with the acl880? [06:38] BenC: None yet. [06:39] are they going to test -6.8 [06:39] ? [06:39] I've asked them to. [06:39] ok [06:39] They're an email-based customer, and in .nl, so there's a bit of a lag in the conversations. [06:40] ah [06:42] I can see some screensavers fine, it's just after a while that they die. [06:42] I wonder if it's when it's trying to do a DPMS shutdown. [06:42] I should try your suggestion and drop the use of the FB. [06:42] I'll do that next reboot. === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [06:46] BenC: Fabio can do 20UTC on Monday for talking about it. Will you be around then? [06:46] yeah [06:46] in which chatroom is it appropriate to ask about ubuntu .deb packages? [06:47] (i dont want to bother u guys) [06:47] depends on the question, either #ubuntu-user, or #ubuntu-devel [06:49] ah, ok thanks [06:49] #ubuntu-user[s] empty [06:57] jbailey: ill be around as well so i can listen in [06:58] zul_: Cool! [06:58] bye [08:11] blah === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:18] dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.15-7-server-generic' in `../linux-image-2.6.15-7-server-generic_2.6.15-7.9_i386.deb'. [09:18] yummy === BenC wonders if it will boot on his P4 [09:20] lamont__: ping [09:20] lamont-away: ping aswell [09:21] heh [09:21] sup? === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:28] lamont: hey, what was the issue booting initramfs on ia64? [09:29] because I just booted my i2k with an initrd generated with update-initramfs === chuck [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c2-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:31] or maybe I didn't...you have to rerun elilo even when changing the initrd... [09:31] let me try again === Nico_1981 [n=Nico_198@ip-249.net-82-216-135.issy3.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-kernel === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [09:55] lamont: that elilo thing is going to be an issue when ia64 switches to update-initramfs === BenC wonders if we are going to need to break out the kernel-package boot-loader update stuff into another script [09:56] like update-bootloader === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has joined #ubuntu-kernel [10:06] BenC: question for you...was there any talk about having kernels in universe. i was reading an old meeting agenda on the wiki === chuck is now known as zul [10:06] a little, but nothing has come of it that I know [10:08] okie dokie [10:08] because i need to get involved again since this project at work is coming to an end, thank god [10:12] hehe [10:12] anyways im going home...toodles === mkrufky [n=mk@68.160.103.77] has left #ubuntu-kernel []