[12:34] <CataEnry> hi all
[06:15] <fabbione> Log for successful build of linux-source-2.6.15_2.6.15-6.8 (dist=dapper)
[06:16] <fabbione> morning
[06:22] <minghua> my 2.6.15-6.8 kernel finally boots (although with PCMCIA failure), thank you guys for the hard work!
[07:36] <dilinger> the lustre people are no longer making the free software community wait 6-12 months for a gpl'd lustre
[07:36] <dilinger> the latest release is gpl'd and available to everyone
[07:38] <fabbione> hmmm
[07:38] <fabbione> impressive
[07:38] <fabbione> against what kernel did they released now?
[07:38] <fabbione> 2.4.1 ?
[07:38] <fabbione> ;)
[07:41] <dilinger> they claim to support 2.6
[07:42] <fabbione> last i checked it was 2.6.8
[07:42] <fabbione> and the patches are a real mess
[07:42] <fabbione> but if you can come up with a decent solution we can for sure look at it
[07:42] <dilinger> http://www.clusterfs.com/download.html
[07:42] <dilinger> there's a beta, too
[07:42] <dilinger> that might support newer stuff
[10:07] <CataEnry> hi all
[10:42] <fabbione> mjg59: ping?
[11:39] <mjg59> fabbione: Hi
[11:52] <fabbione> mjg59: sorry.. having lunch right.. is it normal that .15 spin down disks that are part of a RAID?
[11:52] <fabbione> like it's putting all of them to sleep
[11:52] <fabbione> it does work to access them
[11:52] <fabbione> they get woken up
[11:52] <fabbione> but hell
[11:52] <fabbione> it's slow!
[11:52] <mjg59> No idea
[11:57] <mjg59> I'm afraid I haven't looked at the disk code at all
[12:06] <fabbione> hmm ok
[12:06] <fabbione> is there a way i can check these events somewhere?
[01:57] <jbailey> BenC: More interesting randomness on the ppc64.  When a screensaver kicks in, it also hangs X and (it seems) every application running in it).
[01:58] <jbailey> The apps seems to work well enough that they still run (so my IRC session stayed live), however, all the timestamps in x-chat all say 7:54, when I unfroze it.
[01:58] <jbailey> To unfreeze, all I had to do was kill the screensaver.
[02:00] <jbailey> Mmm, no.  The applications really are locked.  OFTC does an irc ping, and it lost its connection.  Freenode doesn't seem to, and it stayed live.
[02:00] <jbailey> So I'm guessing kernel TCP handling works, applications just buffer.
[02:20] <BenC> jbailey: I've experienced that with my G4, even on breezy, especially GL screen savers
[02:20] <jbailey> Interesting.
[02:20] <jbailey> It's new here for me.
[02:20] <jbailey> Are you using hardware accelleration on your G4?
[02:20] <jbailey> It's not supported on this video card.
[02:21] <BenC> stock install, so whatever it decided to activate
[02:22] <BenC> the GL is really slow, so I don't think it has any accel
[02:22] <infinity> It won't.
[02:22] <zul> morning
[02:23] <BenC> hey zul
[02:23] <infinity> Well, if it's a really old ATI (Radeon 9000ish), it will have a bit of accel, but not enough make you care or go "wow".
[02:24] <fabbione> hey BenC 
[02:24] <fabbione> 6.8 is in the archive
[02:25] <jbailey> fabbione: Wow, glibc, kernel.  All you need is X and you're playing with the big kids again..
[02:25] <jbailey> =)
[02:26] <BenC> yo fabbione
[02:26] <BenC> it's a Rage 128 Pro
[02:26] <BenC> so it's even older :)
[02:26] <infinity> I don't think we have accel on Rage128, but I can't be positive.
[02:27] <infinity> Pretty sure not, though.
[02:27] <fabbione> jbailey: i am choaking gcc-3.4 and 4.0 now.. it will take a while to get there
[02:27] <infinity> (3D, that is, we have plenty of 2D accel on the whole 64/128 family)
[02:27] <infinity> fabbione : Did you NFU LRM again, or is it just down in the queue?
[02:28] <fabbione> infinity: no, it's in the queue.. it took a while to get the binaries NEW'ed for the b-d
[02:28] <infinity> Ahh, right.
[02:28] <BenC> so lrm/linux-meta/udev is all good now, right?
[02:29] <infinity> For everything but sparc and hppa, yes.
[02:29] <infinity> Of course, you'll break it with your next upload again, Captain ABI-bump-on-every-upload.
[02:30] <infinity> (We're going to ship dapper with 2.6.15-37 or something, aren't we?) :)
[02:33] <jbailey> RH does.
[02:33] <jbailey> We're just catching up with them. =)
[02:33] <BenC> yes we are :)
[02:33] <BenC> actually, I was hoping to pull in all the abi's this time and start actually checking for when we need an abi bump
[02:34] <BenC> but I accidentally disabled the script that copies the ABI's into the .deb's
[02:34] <fabbione> LOl
[02:34] <BenC> I even wrote a nice little script to download all the abi's and put them into the git tree, but it kept saying "NO ABI FILE"
[02:37] <infinity> So, who feels like some online poker?
[02:37] <fabbione> hmmm
[02:37] <BenC> ooh ooh, I do, I do :)
[02:37] <fabbione> not a bad idea :)
[02:37] <fabbione> BenC: is your client/server ready for testing?
[02:37] <infinity> fabbione : Good, play with BenC, it'll make him feel better. :)
[02:37] <fabbione> infinity: ahahah like if i don't know Ben is a player
[02:37] <BenC> fabbione: I stopped working on it when I started with canonical
[02:38] <BenC> I still have all the code, maybe one day I'll finish it
[02:38] <fabbione> make it a kernel network protocol
[02:38] <fabbione> poker.ko
[02:38] <BenC> modprobe texas-holdem
[02:38] <fabbione> ehehe
[02:40] <infinity> Oh, it's still Friday for you guys, I should stop being offtopic.
[02:40] <BenC> lol, yeah, I just work up :)
[02:40] <BenC> woke up
[02:40] <BenC> and haven't had any coffee yet, as if my typing isn't a good sign of that
[02:41] <jbailey> I wanted my brother-in-law play texas-holdem online at pokerroom.com for for like 8 days.
[02:41] <jbailey> It's how he wanted to spend his vacation time in Montral.
[02:41] <fabbione> infinity: you know... i have already done 7 hours today.. i could stop just 40 minutes ago
[02:41] <jbailey> fabbione: You get 6 hour days under .dk law, too?
[02:41] <fabbione> 7
[02:41] <fabbione> i started at 6
[02:42] <jbailey> Bastard.
[02:42] <fabbione> 6 + 7 = 13
[02:42] <fabbione> it's 14:40
[02:42] <fabbione> considering i did jerk a bit around + lunch..
[02:42] <fabbione> i am done
[02:42] <infinity> .dk law allows you to "jerk around" at work?
[02:42] <infinity> I'm moving.
[02:42] <fabbione> infinity: no.. that's why it's 8:40 that i am around
[02:42] <BenC> jbailey: while unemplyed, I turned $100 into $9400 in 8 days on doylesroom.com
[02:43] <BenC> too $9000 out and lost the $400 playing tournaments
[02:43] <infinity> (And the lost it a week later)
[02:43] <infinity> s/the/then/
[02:43] <BenC> ...and then put the $9000 back in and lost it, yes :P
[02:45] <BenC> haven't taken the time to play high stakes like that again
[02:45] <jbailey> *lol*
[02:45] <jbailey> I so wanted to convince him to stay for the conference.  I was pretty certain there'd be poker players there.
[02:45] <jbailey> He never found a poker room here in Montral.
[02:46] <infinity> BenC : Planning on being on TV?
[02:46] <BenC> jbailey: me either, I went to Casino De Montreal, and they had nothing
[02:46] <BenC> infinity: I'm only playing the $500 tournament, but if I can win enough there, I will play the televised $10,000 tournament
[02:47] <zul> BenC: the nearest legal poker rooms you are going to find are in cornwall
[02:47] <jbailey> Is the $500 tourney prize a free invite to the higher level one?
[02:47] <BenC> last $500 tournament I played back in August, there were 1180 people, and I lasted for 12.5 hours and went out 97th
[02:47] <jbailey> zul: Is poken Illegal in Montral?
[02:47] <zul> i dont think so...but the casinos are government run 
[02:47] <BenC> jbailey: $500, first place is usually like $75,000 - $200,000 depending on how many people sign up
[02:47] <zul> and its like a franchise ;)
[02:48] <BenC> I was told they weren't legal in MOntreal _yet_
[02:48] <BenC> poker that is
[02:48] <BenC> which is odd, because all the games that are legal in the casinos are just gambling, poker atleast has some skill involved
[02:49] <jbailey> Right.
[02:49] <jbailey> They have video slot terminals here.
[02:49] <jbailey> What gets worse than that?
[02:50] <zul> its legal in cornwall apparently ;)
[02:50] <BenC> I saw a thing on discovery about how terrible the RNG's are in those computerized slots
[02:50] <BenC> a guy that worked for the gamin commission figured out how to get 33-1 odds to win kino (which is like the lottery)
[02:52] <jbailey> Kino is that thing where the numbers just appear on the board.
[02:52] <jbailey> Like a Lotto game every 6 minutes?
[02:52] <BenC> yeah
[02:52] <jbailey> I played that for an hour once.
[02:52] <BenC> but they don't use balls, just a computer
[02:52] <jbailey> A byunch of coworkers and I went.
[02:52] <jbailey> Sure, they have terminals all over in Vancouver.
[02:52] <jbailey> They're all centrally done, so like any corner store will have them.
[02:53] <BenC> crazy
[02:53] <jbailey> We were bored, it was wet out, had $20 burning a hole in my pocket, so we decided to go burn it. =)
[02:53] <BenC> and burned it you did, I bet :)
[02:53] <jbailey> Yup!
[02:53] <jbailey> But that's how I always gamble.
[02:53] <jbailey> I start out with an amount of money I want to lose.
[02:53] <jbailey> And then I play until it's gone.
[02:54] <jbailey> I'm not generally satisfied if I walk out of the casino with it in hand.
[02:54] <jbailey> It also means that I never have thoughts of "one more pull", or anything like that.
[02:54] <jbailey> If I have the money, of *course* it's one more pull.
[02:55] <jbailey> If I had gone out to a bar or a movie or whatever, I wouldn't have any left, so sitting around a blackjack table with friends is just another night out.
[02:56] <BenC> yeah, that's a good way to look at it
[03:00] <zul> they had slot machines at the hotel in montreal
[03:03] <jbailey> Slot machines aren't social.
[03:03] <jbailey> That's why the kino was at least fun.  We all sat around the machine picking numbers and talking about probability distributions, stats and game theory.
[03:03] <jbailey> A perfect geek lunch. =)
[03:04] <Mithrandir> BenC: linux-doc-2.6.15 needs to conflict with linux-doc-2.6.12.
[03:04] <BenC> yes, already done in git
[03:04] <Mithrandir> coolie
[03:04] <BenC> actually now, it c/p/r linux-doc-2.6
[03:05] <Mithrandir> haha
[03:13] <infinity> BenC : Hrm, I thought the linux-doc packages were supposed to install everything to /usr/share/doc/package-version?
[03:14] <infinity> Why should they need to conflict?
[03:14] <infinity> (Not that there's much value in having multiple cversions installed anyway)
[03:37] <Mithrandir> infinity: man pages.
[03:42] <infinity> Ahh, right.
[05:40] <CataEnry> bye all
[05:44] <BenC> can anyone see a reason for enabling USB network devices for our server class kernel?
[05:45] <BenC> IMO, I can't think of anything we need USB for servers other than HID/kbd/mouse and mass-storage
[06:02] <jbailey> BenC: Mmm..  What do you define as a server?
[06:03] <jbailey> BenC: I know of a number of places that use laptops for their servers.
[06:03] <jbailey> gives the nice advantage that you can take it home at the end of the day and there's no risk of it getting stolen.
[06:03] <BenC> jbailey: servers being things that you install and never move again :)
[06:04] <BenC> like NUMA systems and such, 8-way xeon, 32GIgs ram, etc.
[06:04] <jbailey> Also, it's not unreasonable to start thinking of just doing wireless on the whole network.  USB wireless is better than PCI wireless because you can move the antenna around.
[06:04] <jbailey> Hmm.
[06:04] <jbailey> We should be clear that server doesn't mean "file server" or "print server", then.
[06:04] <CataEnry> hi :)
[06:04] <BenC> I'm talking about servers where you generally have GigE to the data warehouse for your content management system
[06:05] <BenC> jbailey: this kernel probably wont boot on a P4, because of the kernel config it is using
[06:05] <jbailey> Right, but SMEs still have things that they call servers.  We need to make sure that they don't install the server edition then.
[06:06] <BenC> this kernel is mainly going to be for our server certification program, where we are supporting known macines from known vendors
[06:06] <jbailey> Sure.  But we shouldn't call it our server release.
[06:06] <jbailey> It should be high end computing or something like that.
[06:06] <BenC> well, I'm using the names in the specs :)
[06:07] <jbailey> Which spec?
[06:07] <BenC> ...
[06:07] <jbailey> I just want to make sure that we don't forget that there's a whole class of SME folks who need to be functional and may install these if they look tempting.
[06:09] <BenC> ubuntu-server-kernel and testing-server-hardware
[06:14] <jbailey> Ah, KernelServerRoadmap
[06:15] <jbailey> Ah, you're registrant, assignee, and drafter, with fabbione approving.
[06:15] <jbailey> When he's back, maybe I can pitch my thoughts to both of you. =)
[06:37] <BenC> ok :)
[06:37] <BenC> since you're the one that handles a lot of these type customers, then your input is very much needed
[06:38] <BenC> jbailey: any word for the customer with the acl880?
[06:38] <jbailey> BenC: None yet.
[06:39] <BenC> are they going to test -6.8
[06:39] <BenC> ?
[06:39] <jbailey> I've asked them to.
[06:39] <BenC> ok
[06:39] <jbailey> They're an email-based customer, and in .nl, so there's a bit of a lag in the conversations.
[06:40] <BenC> ah
[06:42] <jbailey> I can see some screensavers fine, it's just after a while that they die.
[06:42] <jbailey> I wonder if it's when it's trying to do a DPMS shutdown.
[06:42] <jbailey> I should try your suggestion and drop the use of the FB.
[06:42] <jbailey> I'll do that next reboot.
[06:46] <jbailey> BenC: Fabio can do 20UTC on Monday for talking about it.  Will you be around then?
[06:46] <BenC> yeah
[06:46] <mkrufky> in which chatroom is it appropriate to ask about ubuntu .deb packages?
[06:47] <mkrufky> (i dont want to bother u guys)
[06:47] <BenC> depends on the question, either #ubuntu-user, or #ubuntu-devel
[06:49] <mkrufky> ah, ok thanks
[06:49] <mkrufky> #ubuntu-user[s]  empty
[06:57] <zul_> jbailey: ill be around as well so i can listen in
[06:58] <jbailey> zul_: Cool!
[06:58] <CataEnry> bye
[08:11] <zul_> blah
[09:18] <BenC> dpkg-deb: building package `linux-image-2.6.15-7-server-generic' in `../linux-image-2.6.15-7-server-generic_2.6.15-7.9_i386.deb'.
[09:18] <BenC> yummy
[09:20] <BenC> lamont__: ping
[09:20] <BenC> lamont-away: ping aswell
[09:21] <lamont__> heh
[09:21] <lamont__> sup?
[09:28] <BenC> lamont: hey, what was the issue booting initramfs on ia64?
[09:29] <BenC> because I just booted my i2k with an initrd generated with update-initramfs
[09:31] <BenC> or maybe I didn't...you have to rerun elilo even when changing the initrd...
[09:31] <BenC> let me try again
[09:55] <BenC> lamont: that elilo thing is going to be an issue when ia64 switches to update-initramfs
[09:56] <BenC> like update-bootloader
[10:06] <chuck> BenC: question for you...was there any talk about having kernels in universe. i was reading an old meeting agenda on the wiki
[10:06] <BenC> a little, but nothing has come of it that I know
[10:08] <zul> okie dokie
[10:08] <zul> because i need to get involved again since this project at work is coming to an end, thank god
[10:12] <BenC> hehe
[10:12] <zul> anyways im going home...toodles