[12:03] <thierry_> ogra : ok and where is usualy the icon?
[12:03] <ogra> n /usr/share/pixmaps ...
[12:04] <ogra> dont give a path in the icon= line ...
[12:04] <thierry_> ogra : yeah I know that path but I mean where is it in the package?
[12:05] <ogra> if you add it in a patchhhhh you ave to uuencode it ...
[12:05] <ogra> hrm... kbd broken again
[12:06] <ogra> thanks :)
[12:06] <ajmitch> keys sticking?
[12:06] <ogra> yup
[12:06] <ajmitch> that gets annoying
[12:06] <ogra> bought a new keaboard before ubz :(
[12:06] <\sh> ogra: icons which are not in the source, you can add in debian/ dir...uuencoded...means build-dep on sharutils
[12:06] <\sh> ogra: use the sun one :)
[12:06] <crimsun> ok, the word seems to be that invoking dh_desktop actually is required. A lot of packages don't do this properly.
[12:07] <ajmitch> a lot should
[12:07] <crimsun> In the past we've kinda turned a blind eye, because placing .desktop in /usr/share/applications/ will be picked up into the menu
[12:07] <ajmitch> it *should* be picked up
[12:07] <ogra> \sh, to big to hammer it in the laptop case :)
[12:08] <ogra> \sh, and i'll need it for essen on saturday
[12:08] <crimsun> However, as in the case of ViM, even though the menu entry is present, without actually invoking dh_desktop the proper nautilus bits aren't registered
[12:08] <ajmitch> right
[12:08] <\sh> ogra: wow...ISH sun keyboard at linuxtage in essen...we should take some photos
[12:08] <ogra> hh
[12:08] <ajmitch> hm, lunchtime
[12:09] <ajmitch> now that scummvm should build
[12:09] <ajmitch> well, once fluidsynth is synced & built
[12:09] <\sh> so..night
[12:09] <\sh> cu later this day
[12:09] <ajmitch> night
[12:10] <minghua> crimsun: my reading is that dh_desktop is for updating the MIME database, not menu items
[12:10] <minghua> I never really tested though
[12:12] <bojan> ajmitch: how do you mean file the bug?
[12:13] <minghua> bojan: as the topic of the channel says, read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTUToMerge please
[12:15] <crimsun> minghua: that's correct
[12:15] <bojan> minghua: oh, you mean in malone. that's clear
[12:16] <thierry_> ogra : one last thing before I completed the new desktop entry : "if cdbs's gnome.mk is not used, make sure the binary* target installs the .desktop file into /usr/share/applications/" how do I do that?? and most of all, where do I make the changes?
[12:16] <ogra> thierry_, apt-get source gworldclock
[12:16] <ogra> have a look at the debian dir
[12:17] <ogra> (rules .desktop and control)
[12:18] <andi5> hi. well, i have to admit, that i do not understand a lot of these pages the topic lists (yet). maybe someone can tell me what the process of suggesting an update of a ubuntu universe package, which was updated/revisioned in debian, but not yet in ubuntu - and where i have to do this? thanks in advance!
[12:18] <andi5> is called...
[12:19] <crimsun> andi5: I presume you mean an update in the current development branch, of course?
[12:19] <thierry_> ogra : ok good but gworldclock doesn't use cdbs and doesn't also use dh_desktop
[12:19] <andi5> crimsun: well, if current development branch == dapper... i do not know, since this package seems to be only in breezy (ref. packages.ubuntu.com)
[12:20] <crimsun> andi5: we don't update packages in stable releases
[12:20] <crimsun> (there are rare exceptions)
[12:21] <andi5> crimsun: ok, then the package is "missing" in dapper, or something like that ;-) is that done automagically, can i suggest/watch this?
[12:21] <crimsun> andi5: which package?
[12:21] <andi5> libgwrap-runtime0-dev
[12:22] <ogra> thierry_, nope, it just uses cp ...
[12:22] <crimsun> it's in both breezy and dapper
[12:23] <thierry_> ogra : yeah but is it normal (like do I need dh_desktop or do I do like gworldclock) ?
[12:23] <andi5> crimsun: hmpf, i am just remembering, that i did not choose "all distros" like in debian....
[12:23] <andi5> (while searching for a file, ok, i am wrong)
[12:24] <crimsun> andi5: note that it's a merge candidate, and we haven't gotten to it yet
[12:24] <ogra> thierry_, both is bad, upstream should add a .desktop file in the tarball ... so it doesnt really matter :)(
[12:24] <andi5> soo... merging is exactly that?
[12:25] <thierry_> ogra : k, going to send my patch on malone... do you want to get the bug # when it will be done?
[12:26] <ogra> yep
[12:31] <thierry_> ogra : bug 5288
[12:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5288: orbit (Ubuntu) - [PATCH]  adding a .desktop file to space-orbit In: space-orbit (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5288
[12:32] <ogra> thierry_, did you tesbuild it ?
[12:32] <thierry_> ogra : well no because my pbuilder is not yet set :(
[12:33] <ogra> i doubt it will work if you dont create the usr/share/applications dir anywhere ;)
[12:33] <sistpoty> Ubugtu: hztty
[12:34] <sistpoty> hm... why can't Ubugtu simply understand what I want ;)
[12:34] <ogra> you mean magigally read your brain ?
[12:34] <sistpoty> sure... ;)
[12:34] <thierry_> ogra : debian/space-orbit/usr/share/applications is not enough? I looked at gworldclock and didn't saw anything else revelant to usr/share/applications
[12:34] <ogra> heh
[12:35] <ogra> thierry_, i'm pretty sure there is either a mkdir in the rules or the dir is created from the dirs file
[12:37] <thierry_> ogra : no mkdir in rules and dirs file is : usr/share/pixmaps
[12:37] <thierry_>  usr/share/applications
[12:38] <crimsun> thierry_: it's completely possible that upstream's Makefiles handle that
[12:38] <sistpoty> lol: (BTS): "#337392: chicken: eggs not installable via chicken-setup"
[12:38] <thierry_> ogra : so what should I do then?
[12:38] <ogra> thierry_, the dirs file counts here
[12:38] <thierry_> ogra : ok so I should create a dirs file with usr/share/applications in it ?
[12:38] <ogra> the dirs from the dirs file are created in the target dir ...
[12:40] <ogra> if you only create it for this one line, id consider a mkdir in rules ...
[12:40] <ogra> from xaos:
[12:40] <ogra>         mkdir -p debian/xaos/usr/share/applications
[12:40] <ogra>         cp debian/xaos.desktop debian/xaos/usr/share/applications
[12:40] <thierry_> ogra : cool thanks
[12:40] <ogra> thats in the binary-arch target
[12:41] <ogra> which reminds me, i should mail joeyh about including it in the debian package ...
[12:42] <minghua> ogra: or install -D, I think
[12:42] <ogra> yup, would work as well ...
[12:42] <ogra> but all these solutions are hackish anyway
[12:42] <thierry_> ogra : ok but I don't have any bynary-arch target (a target is like "install :" and "binary-common :" right?)
[12:42] <minghua> agreed, such changes should be always pushed upstream
[12:42] <ogra> yup
[12:43] <thierry_> ogra : so I create binary-arch but between what and what?
[12:43] <ogra> nope, add it to a existing target ...
[12:44] <ogra> install is fine
[12:44] <minghua> huh? missing binary-arch target is an RC bug IIRC
[12:45] <ogra> not if the package is binary-indep only ...
[12:45] <ogra> i.e. arch all
[12:45] <ogra> why leave useless clutter in the rules ...
[12:46] <minghua> ogra: the policy says otherwise: " Both the binary-arch and binary-indep targets must exist.  If one of them has nothing to do (which will always be the case if the source generates only a single binary package, whether architecture-dependent or not), it must still exist and must always succeed."
[12:47] <ogra> how silly ...
[12:47] <minghua> pity we don't have a annotated version of the policy with rationales
[12:48] <ogra> i cant see one
[12:48] <minghua> let me ask on #debian-devel
[12:48] <ogra> ajmitch, any idea why this is in the policy ?
[12:49] <azeem> dpkg-buildpackage -B calls binary-arch, I guess that's why we want to make sure it is there, same for -b and binary-indep
[12:49] <ogra> tsk ...
[12:49] <ajmitch> ogra: azeem knows ;)
[12:49] <ajmitch> azeem: thanks :)
[12:49] <ogra> yes, thanks azeem :)
[12:49] <azeem> well, that was at most an educated guess
[12:49] <thierry_> ogra : added a second path to bug 5288
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5288: orbit (Ubuntu) - [PATCH]  adding a .desktop file to space-orbit In: space-orbit (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5288
[12:50] <ogra> makes half way sense ...
[12:50] <ajmitch> more educated than my guess would be, though
[12:51] <thierry_> ogra : what do you think of it?
[12:51] <ogra> the thing is that dpkg-buildpackage -B wont be called for arch: all packages by pbuilder or the buildd ...
[12:51] <minghua> the #debian-devel people seems to agree with azeem:
[12:51] <minghua> (17:49:33) peterS: minghua: so that a build daemon can build only arch-dependent packages, if it wishes
[12:51] <ajmitch> historical reasons perhaps
[12:51] <ogra> yup
[12:52] <minghua> and Debian buildds indeed only build arch-dependent packages, I think
[12:52] <ajmitch> I know that for the hurd, for example, you had to build only the binaries since some of the other build-deps were missing :)
[12:52] <azeem> yes
[12:52] <minghua> so they must be calling some sort of -B build command
[12:52] <ogra> ah, .... i'm so spoiled by ubuntu buildds :)
[12:52] <ajmitch> heh
[12:53] <minghua> ubuntu buildds just build everything and throw away things that are already in archive?
[12:53] <minghua> or is there a _all buildd as well? :-P
[12:54] <ajmitch> I'd ask lamont__
[12:54] <azeem> minghua: easy to look up at your next build log
[12:55] <ogra> i know it works ...
[12:57] <ajmitch> well we expect the buildds to work :)
[12:58] <ogra> http://tiber.tauware.de/cgi-bin/buildlogs.cgi?show=http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/s/student-control-panel/0.1/student-control-panel_0.1_20051115-1858-i386-successful.gz
[12:58] <sistpoty> ajmitch: do you mean moving to soyuz?
[12:58] <ajmitch__> sistpoty: yes
[12:58] <ogra> thats one without binary-arch
[01:00] <sistpoty> ajmitch: they found out, that the database from soyuz differed from dak, actually because of bugs in dak (katie?) according to what siretart told me today
[01:00] <sistpoty> ajmitch: and since the diff is quite huge, they need to eliminate the false positives from soyuz, to be able to check if everything is ok
[01:01] <minghua> arch:all only packages don't get caught even in Debian anyway, since no buildd would pick it up
[01:01] <sistpoty> ajmitch: but i guess this info is around three corners and may not be accurate ;)
[01:01] <ajmitch> yes, I heard that the archive needed to be sorted out
[01:01] <ajmitch> so more waiting :)
[01:01] <sistpoty> we both agreed to speed up with merges, before soyuz will hit us *g*
[01:01] <ajmitch> hehe
[01:02] <siretart> gina is running already running on staging, from what I heared
[01:02] <siretart> hi folks
[01:02] <ajmitch> so I'd better have a busy merge weekend :)
[01:02] <ogra> hey siretart
[01:02] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[01:02] <ajmitch> hey siretart
[01:03] <sistpoty> siretart: piuparts rocks!
[01:03] <ajmitch> at least 4-5 should be ready for upload tonight
[01:03] <minghua> hi siretart
[01:03] <ajmitch> sistpoty: it does
[01:04] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I'll try hook it into the stage 2 parts of revu2
[01:04] <sistpoty> ajmitch: cool :)
[01:04] <ajmitch> so I have to write some stuff to tar it, update it, etc
[01:04] <ajmitch> so that a fresh build can have a fresh chroot
[01:04] <ajmitch> & similar for lintian/linda
[01:05] <ajmitch> duplicates some of pbuilder :)
[01:05] <ajmitch> so I'll rip code from there
[01:05] <sistpoty> gna... that reminds me of s.th.... i guess I won't do ProcessController (that will control stage1/stage2) before tomorrow night
[01:05] <sistpoty> ajmitch: sounds great :)
[01:06] <ajmitch> I'll try & reduce duplication as much as possible
[01:06] <ajmitch> put in a cron job to update the chroots every few hours
[01:06] <ajmitch> keep 2-3 base tarballs around just for safety ;)
[01:06] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:07] <ajmitch> I'd like to have a daily run of installability checks for universe, btw
[01:07] <ajmitch> we could probably use britney for that
[01:07] <sistpoty> ajmitch: you mean unmet deps?
[01:07] <siretart> huhu minghua
[01:08] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yes
[01:08] <thierry_> ogra : could you tell me if patch for bug 5288 is alright (so that I can move to an other one)
[01:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5288: orbit (Ubuntu) - [PATCH]  adding a .desktop file to space-orbit In: space-orbit (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: Nobody, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5288
[01:09] <siretart> ajmitch: please check your updates script into the revu2 svn
[01:09] <sistpoty> ajmitch: we briefly discussed that today... we could reuse the merge-listing for generic handling of e.g. unmet deps, transitions
[01:09] <siretart> once you have them
[01:09] <ajmitch> sure
[01:09] <ajmitch> sistpoty: that's reasonable
[01:09] <ogra> thierry_, looks ok to me, but please do a testbuild in a pbuilder ...
[01:10] <thierry_> ogra : k...
[01:10] <minghua> thierry_: usually you need to build and test your package before moving to next one
[01:10] <ajmitch> we can't really file the bugs straight from that page, due to gpg
[01:10] <thierry_> ajmitch : gpg?
[01:10] <ajmitch> yes, you need it to sign emails
[01:10] <sistpoty> no, we can't... but lpbugs does that job pretty good... maybe extend that?
[01:11] <ajmitch> I think so
[01:11] <ajmitch> \sh is wanting to work on it a bit
[01:11] <sistpoty> cool :)
[01:11] <thierry_> ajmitch : mmm ok, but there's no emails there...
[01:11] <siretart> well, we could install an not that secure key into launchpad. but I don't think we'd need that
[01:11] <ajmitch> thierry_: yes, filing a bug via email
[01:12] <thierry_> ajmitch : why would I do that while we have malone?
[01:12] <ajmitch> which is what we usually do for merges now
[01:12] <ajmitch> thierry_: because malone has an email interface?
[01:12] <ajmitch> and it's convenient to just give a package name to a script, and have an email sent off to file the bug
[01:13] <minghua> thierry_: you don't need to use the email interface (I used not to), but you need to assign the bug to motu-mergers
[01:13] <minghua> thierry_: follow the steps in the wiki
[01:14] <ajmitch> minghua: he's doing .desktop adding though
[01:14] <thierry_> minguha : what page of the wiki?
[01:14] <minghua> ajmitch: or, forgot that, sorry
[01:14] <minghua> thierry_: sorry, never mind
[01:15] <ajmitch> siretart: I think we could extend lpbugs.py for .desktop files, too :)
[01:15] <ajmitch> make it more general
[01:15] <sistpoty> good idea
[01:16] <ajmitch> eg marking something for review
[01:29] <ogra> ajmitch ??
[01:30] <sistpoty> i guess it's just another approach doing merges *g*
[01:30] <ajmitch> certain people :)
[01:31] <ogra> ajmitch, you mean certain *single* people i guess
[01:31] <ajmitch> ogra: yes..
[01:32] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:32] <ajmitch> I should do merges tonight :)
[01:33] <ogra> oops
[01:33] <sistpoty> lol
[01:34] <ajmitch> I know...
[01:34] <ogra> but he loves to talk to the empty channel ...
[02:13] <Kyral> Okay, yah, I no like udev. Access the HD takes WAAAY too much power
[02:15] <Kyral> Is it smart to turn DMA on on your HDs?
[02:16] <LaserJock> Kyral: you don't have DMA on on your hard drives?
[02:16] <Kyral> Its not on it seems
[02:16] <Kyral> I think I should turn it on
[02:17] <LaserJock> all of mine are on (hard drives and cd/dvd drives)
[02:17] <Kyral> Well, operation not permitted?!
[02:17] <Kyral> (while sudoing)
[02:19] <raphink> ok bed time
[02:19] <Kyral> oh and SATA drives don't have DMA it seems
[02:20] <sistpoty> gnight raphink
[02:20] <raphink> thanks
[02:20] <raphink> if anyone could review my packages I would love it ;)
[02:20] <raphink> I mean I would really appreciate :)
[02:20] <Kyral> hdparm won't turn on..
[02:20] <Kyral> err
[02:20] <Kyral> DMA
[02:21] <sistpoty> raphink: sorry, can't make a promise tonight
[02:21] <raphink> (the ones signed by raphink@raphink.net, and particularly the ones that have already been advocated)
[02:21] <raphink> that's ok sistpoty :)
[02:21] <raphink> bye
[02:21] <sistpoty> cya
[02:56] <LaserJock> what do you guys think are the essential packages to install for packaging?
[02:56] <Kyral> debhelper
[02:56] <Kyral> devscripts
[02:56] <Kyral> Pbuilder :D
[02:56] <LaserJock> I can think of dev-scripts, build-essential
[02:56] <Kyral> maybe CDDB
[02:56] <sistpoty> piuparts is nice nice to have
[02:57] <LaserJock> Kyral: CDDB ? ;p
[02:57] <Kyral> err
[02:57] <Kyral> cdbs
[02:57] <Kyral> :P
[02:57] <sistpoty> debian-policy is almost a must ;)
[02:57] <LaserJock> what about dpkg-dev, dh-make, gnupg
[02:58] <Kyral> and NOT Checkinstall
[02:58] <LaserJock> lol
[02:58] <Kyral> I think dh-make is in debhelper
[02:58] <LaserJock> Kyral: I think it is seperate
[02:58] <ajmitch__> no
[02:58] <ajmitch__> separate
[02:59] <Kyral> LaserJock, dev-scripts depends on gnupg
[02:59] <LaserJock> Kyral: ok
[02:59] <Kyral> I'd say rip that part out of the NMG
[03:00] <LaserJock> I'm trying to make a list of both what you need as individual packages and sort of a "here's the apt-get line" listing
[03:00] <LaserJock> Kyral: yeah, I just wanted to see if the NMG had everything
[03:00] <Kyral> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-start.en.html#s-needprogs
[03:01] <Kyral> Shoot, dev-scripts pulls in a LOT
[03:01] <tseng> thats why its plural
[03:01] <LaserJock> sistpoty: hmm, piuparts loooks really cool. Do you use it a lot
[03:01] <Kyral> lol point :P
[03:02] <sistpoty> LaserJock: I haven't known of it since today... but I'm totally convinced for the few hours I use it :)
[03:02] <Kyral> sistpoty: yah it does
[03:03] <LaserJock> I'll have to keep track of that. It might be useful in the packaging guide
[03:03] <Kyral> Maybe we should make a "dev-tools" metapackage
[03:03] <Kyral> *hides*
[03:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: I think the problem is that there are many ways (tools) to do packaging
[03:04] <Kyral> Well the basic ones
[03:04] <Kyral> like all the necessary ones
[03:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: I think probably devscripts is probably that
[03:04] <Kyral> Has stuff left out :P
[03:04] <LaserJock> Kyral: like what?
[03:04] <sistpoty> all the really basic ones should be in build-essentials
[03:04] <Kyral> dh_make
[03:05] <LaserJock> Kyral: do you have to use it to make a package?
[03:05] <Kyral> No, but it makes it a hell of a lot easier
[03:06] <Kyral> and until ajmitch__ gives his "Packages from SCRATCH" tutorial, it the only way I know how :D
[03:06] <ajmitch__> "How to make a fool of yourself in realtime on IRC!"
[03:06] <Kyral> lol
[03:07] <LaserJock> wow, gnuplot is a Suggests for devscripts?
[03:07] <ajmitch__> sure
[03:07] <Kyral> Suggests are never automatically installed
[03:07] <ajmitch__> plot dependency trees
[03:07] <LaserJock> ajmitch__: ahh, I am used to using for scientific plotting
[03:09] <Kyral> sistpoty: it does all tests automagically?
[03:09] <LaserJock> ok, so maybe with exception of the newly found piuparts, it looks like the NMG list is good?
[03:09] <Kyral> yah
[03:09] <sistpoty> Kyral: if it can, it does
[03:09] <Kyral> I should use -d dapper :P
[03:11] <sistpoty> LaserJock: -xutils, -g77, -gpc, +build-essential (my suggestion)
[03:11] <Kyral> hmm, there doesn't seem to be a provision to use multiple pbuilder base gzs
[03:11] <sistpoty> Kyral: you can still specify the base.tgz (-b iirc)
[03:11] <Kyral> Aww HELL I hate my school
[03:11] <Kyral> ah lol
[03:11] <LaserJock> sistpoty: ok
[03:12] <Kyral> but I still hate my school
[03:12] <Kyral> they slapped a bandwidth limit on us
[03:12] <Kyral> of 50 kb/s
[03:12] <LaserJock> Kyral: bummer
[03:12] <LaserJock> Kyral: ouch
[03:12] <Kyral> and everytime I do things with apt
[03:12] <Kyral> it takes up my entire limit
[03:12] <Kyral> so I start lagging out to IRC
[03:13] <SEJeff> Kyral: You need to set up something like m0n0wall to do outbound traffic QOS
[03:13] <Kyral> or bitch like HELL to my OIT
[03:14] <SEJeff> Kyral: You can give higher priority to interactive protocols like ftp, irc, ssh, etc while giving lower priorities to apt
[03:14] <tseng> its getting old asking you to knock that off
[03:14] <bmonty> you can do that with iptables
[03:14] <Kyral> tseng: huh?
[03:14] <tseng> about the damn hell shit whatever you are whinging about
[03:14] <Kyral> sorry.....
[03:15] <tseng> is pbuilder debuild supposed to do something worthwhile?
[03:16] <tseng> it seems to install a few packages and kindly return me to my shell
[03:16] <Kyral> Just really angers me that I suffer because of other people abusing the net
[03:18] <LaserJock> is there a way to find out what packages are installed by the install cd?
[03:18] <Kyral> base-config?
[03:18] <Kyral> ubuntu-desktop?
[03:18] <Kyral> I know ssh is in the default install
[03:19] <SEJeff> I am still shocked that ssh-server isn't installed (even if disabled) by default
[03:19] <SEJeff> It doesn't make sense to me
[03:19] <Kyral> Because most people don't need to be able to SSH into thier boxes ;P
[03:19] <sistpoty> Kyral: i guess (k)ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-minimal... not sure about that though
[03:20] <LaserJock> yeah, I would find it weird to ssh out of a machine but not get back in
[03:20] <SEJeff> Kyral: I am serious
[03:20] <Kyral> You find it wierd because you are used to it
[03:20] <Kyral> SEJeff: so am I
[03:20] <SEJeff> If mark wants to push ubuntu as an enterprise os, it needs ssh server by default
[03:20] <Kyral> Think about the "typical" windows users
[03:20] <SEJeff> Can we say manageability
[03:20] <SEJeff> Thats bs
[03:20] <SEJeff> I am talking about for corporate deployments
[03:21] <Kyral> oh
[03:21] <Kyral> I focus on the Desktop side :P
[03:21] <SEJeff> Why did Mark create ubuntu? for the South African govt
[03:21] <Amaranth> no
[03:21] <SEJeff> So in essence, Ubuntu was created to be an enterprise distro from the start
[03:21] <tseng> it takes a few seconds to install openssh-server
[03:21] <bmonty> SEJeff: I think having ssh enabled on all the boxes would be a manageablilty nightmare
[03:21] <SEJeff> I never said by default
[03:21] <SEJeff> That is stupid
[03:22] <Kyral> still
[03:22] <Kyral> SEJeff: I don't like the default config of Ubuntu
[03:22] <Kyral> but I don't complain about it
[03:22] <SEJeff> I'm not complaining, I just don't see the reasoning behind it
[03:22] <Amaranth> LCD
[03:22] <Amaranth> least common denominator
[03:22] <tseng> there are 2 very simple reasons
[03:22] <Kyral> Because I know that I can get everything the way I like it within' a half hour
[03:23] <tseng> 1) least possible configuration, so installing a package does all the nessecary setup
[03:23] <tseng> for main stuff esp
[03:23] <tseng> 2) no open ports in -desktop
[03:23] <Amaranth> wait, LCD was the wrong term
[03:23] <Amaranth> go with tseng
[03:23] <tseng> when you put 1 and 2 together you get no openssh-server in default install
[03:23] <Kyral> The typical windows user has never heard of SSH
[03:23] <tseng> no one cares much about the typical windows user at this point
[03:24] <SEJeff> tseng: 2 is void. I didn't say to enable it by default. I merely said to install it
[03:24] <tseng> see 1
[03:24] <Kyral> I mean the kind of user trying Ubuntu for the first time
[03:24] <SEJeff> Kyral: You and I are on totally different levels
[03:24] <Kyral> SEJeff: No kiddin'
[03:24] <tseng> SEJeff: 1 tells you that services get started when you install them
[03:24] <Kyral> I'm a second year CS Major
[03:25] <SEJeff> Kyral: And that is great because? I know PHD CS graduates who still suck at any posix operating system
[03:25] <tseng> if "levels" have something to do with the conversation at hand i am a programmer, dba, and sysadmin for 2 dozen systems
[03:25] <Kyral> SEJeff: I'd be glad to take this to PM (I don't want to annoy tseng anymore)
[03:26] <SEJeff> I meant levels as far as Ubuntu from a manageability standpoint
[03:26] <tseng> Kyral: you can talk all you want as long as its constructive
[03:26] <Kyral> tseng: okay
[03:26] <SEJeff> I am an admin and I have 2,000 ubuntu desktops
[03:26] <Kyral> and no cursing ;P
[03:26] <tseng> cursing is ok too, with moderation
[03:26] <SEJeff> I configure a local apt repo for "enterprise" updates
[03:26] <tseng> an no caps
[03:26] <LaserJock> tseng: the only thing that seems odd to me is I have always thought of ssh as a single program, but I'm just a chemist so you can ignore me
[03:27] <tseng> LaserJock: haha :)
[03:27] <SEJeff> naturally, ssh is the only way to have scripts run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[03:27] <SEJeff> tseng: bloody hell :-)
[03:27] <Kyral> SEJeff: You know what *Nix people do when they have to do multiple command line ops over and over again?
[03:27] <tseng> LaserJock: a client and server rolled into one is scary. (there are many different ssh servers, and clients)
[03:27] <SEJeff> Kyral: It is called shell scripts
[03:27] <Kyral> Bingo
[03:28] <Kyral> So write one to solve your problem :P
[03:28] <SEJeff> Kyral: I did that a few minutes after installing ubuntu
[03:28] <SEJeff> Kickstart is semi-functional
[03:28] <LaserJock> tseng: ah, makes more sense. But it was weird for me because Ubuntu was the first distro I had to install the ssh server on
[03:28] <tseng> you could make a preseed file that installs openssh
[03:28] <SEJeff> Maybe I will try to get that working
[03:28] <tseng> and remaster your install cd
[03:29] <tseng> LaserJock: im not sure a debian install even gives you a client
[03:29] <Kyral> I'm rather glad that it doesn't come with anything that opens ports
[03:29] <SEJeff> tseng: or use a pxeboot disk to grab an image off of the network
[03:29] <tseng> SEJeff: indeed :)
[03:29] <Kyral> Now thats something VERY cool
[03:29] <Kyral> LTSP :D
[03:29] <tseng> netboot install != ltsp
[03:29] <tseng> but they are both cool enough :)
[03:30] <brendan_> hi, i would like to modify one of the packages in ubuntu, and host it with my own repository, and have ubuntu ignore updates to the package in the official repository and oly use my edided version.
[03:30] <brendan_> is this possible?
[03:30] <LaserJock> tseng: well, I've never really run Debian before so I wouldn't know
[03:30] <Kyral> Apt-Pin
[03:30] <Kyral> tseng: did you see the demo at UBuntu LOve?
[03:31] <tseng> i skipped UBZ, unfortunately
[03:31] <tseng> we only had a few minutes of LOve in sydney
[03:31] <Kyral> ah
[03:31] <LaserJock> brendan_: how many packages are you thinking about?
[03:31] <Kyral> I was only at UBZ for Love Day
[03:31] <tseng> some old guys talked about ubuntu usability
[03:31] <sistpoty> brendan_: sounds like pinning is what you'd want
[03:31] <Kyral> ogra and some LTSP guys did a live demo
[03:32] <tseng> good deal
[03:32] <Kyral> indeed
[03:32] <Kyral> "We do NOT have a drinking problem in this project!
[03:32] <tseng> in sydney he gave me a good demo of snoring
[03:32] <brendan_> not too many packages
[03:32] <brendan_> at most 10 or 15
[03:32] <Kyral> - Jeff Waugh
[03:33] <tseng> man i talked to jeff smashed from ubz more than a few days
[03:33] <minghua> tseng: no, a debian default install doesn't have ssh, client or server
[03:33] <Kyral> lol
[03:33] <brendan_> sistpoty: what is pinning? is there some documentation on it?
[03:33] <Kyral> I was surprised that Mark was like a normal guy
[03:33] <tseng> about as normal as geeks get
[03:33] <minghua> brendan_: it's calling apt-pinning, google for "APT howto"
[03:33] <Kyral> tseng: by normal I meant like us geeks :P
[03:33] <tseng> he does have creepy magic beer hands
[03:34] <Kyral> lol
[03:34] <tseng> he can conjure beer from nothing
[03:34] <Kyral> Again I hear Jeff going "We do NOT have a drinking problem in this project!"
[03:35] <ajmitch> Kyral: of course we don't
[03:35] <Kyral> We are very good at it, right :D
[03:35] <tseng> I dont, on account of being straight edge
[03:35] <Kyral> Neither do I
[03:35] <bmonty> you guys are a drinking team with an ubuntu problem
[03:36] <Kyral> lol
[03:36] <Kyral> Ubuntu isn't the problem
[03:36] <Kyral> Windows in the problem ;P
[03:36] <sistpoty> MOTUDrinkers - we solve prolbems by drinking ;)
[03:36] <Kyral> lol
[03:36] <bmonty> sistpoty: you need a REVU page for beer reviews
[03:36] <Kyral> lol
[03:36] <sistpoty> lol bmonty:
[03:37] <SEJeff> See malone bug #1
[03:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #1: Microsoft has a majority market share In: Ubuntu, Severity: Critical, Assigned to: Mark Shuttleworth, Status: Accepted https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[03:37] <Kyral> hehe
[03:37] <SEJeff> Was that a bot?
[03:37] <Kyral> Anyone have an idea where the next conference is?
[03:37] <Kyral> aye
[03:37] <tseng> SEJeff: yes
[03:37] <SEJeff> awesome
[03:37] <tseng> Kyral: random guess, africa
[03:37] <Kyral> hmmm
[03:38] <tseng> we hit north and south america, asia, and europe
[03:38] <ajmitch> random guess, europe again
[03:38] <Kyral> How much would that cost from the US...
[03:38] <ajmitch> at least that's what suggestions were
[03:38] <tseng> ajmitch: not capetown?
[03:38] <Kyral> Well if its in Germany I'm good b/c I have family in Germany
[03:38] <ajmitch> germany was suggested
[03:39] <Kyral> Whats the drinking age in Germany? ;D
[03:39] <tseng> 16
[03:39] <Kyral> hmmm.... interesting...
[03:39] <sistpoty> beer 16, spirits 18
[03:39] <schweeb> ^^^
[03:39] <Kyral> and I'm 20
[03:39] <tseng> schweebles!
[03:39] <Kyral> and I've heard that American beer is **** next to German beer
[03:39] <schweeb> yo
[03:39] <schweeb> Kyral: duh
[03:40] <tseng> you will be shit next to German beer is more like it
[03:40] <bmonty> lol
[03:40] <schweeb> we have Canada, and microbrews though
[03:40] <schweeb> tseng: indeed
[03:40] <sistpoty> well, iirc germany has much more flavours than any other contry
[03:40] <schweeb> german beer will hand you your ass
[03:40] <Kyral> so if my first drink would to be anything...
[03:40] <Kyral>  :P
[03:40] <sistpoty> there are some really bad among them as well ;)
[03:41] <SEJeff> Kyral: You heard right
[03:41] <bmonty> i like bitberger
[03:41] <Kyral> lol
[03:41] <Kyral> I think I will save myself for German beer then :P
[03:41] <schweeb> I'm pretty attached to alcohol, if there's alcohol in it, I'll probably drink it
[03:42] <sistpoty> lol
[03:42] <schweeb> except for mouthwash and the like
[03:42] <Kyral> Vanilla Extract?
[03:42] <bmonty> schweeb: thats called alcholism :)
[03:42] <schweeb> things that are intended for drinking, I should clarify
[03:42] <schweeb> indeed it is
[03:42] <schweeb> that's a problem to solve later in life though :p
[03:42] <Kyral> the meeting got moved to 1400 UTC?
[03:43] <tseng> schweeb: how goes the tape swapping?
[03:43] <bmonty> damn it is hard to type while holding a baby
[03:43] <schweeb> I say all of this as I'm preparing to go to the bar
[03:43] <schweeb> tseng: the SAN does that for me, bish
[03:43] <tseng> san schman
[03:43] <schweeb> but I'm up to working from home 4 days/wk
[03:43] <schweeb> :)
[03:44] <schweeb> I didn't change out of my boxers until about 45 mins ago
[03:44] <schweeb> being lazy rocks
[03:44] <tseng> yeesh i need the vpn hookup
[03:45] <tseng> hopefully soon
[04:09] <bmonty> ajmitch: I emailed my key directly to elmo, but I've been reading the Uploads page and it says to send keys to keyring@ubuntu.com...does that go to the same place?
[04:09] <tseng> in theory
[04:09] <Amaranth> elmo gets them right now but he might not always
[04:09] <tseng> friendlier to not mail someone directly
[04:09] <tseng> and more future-proof
[04:10] <Amaranth> plus it's more likely to get to him in a way he notices through keyring@u.c
[04:10] <Amaranth> he gets massive ammounts of email
[04:10] <bmonty> I'll resend it then
[04:10] <tseng> it could still take a few days
[04:10] <bmonty> Amaranth: yeah, I figured his email load is more than I would want to contemplate :)
[04:10] <ajmitch> or weeks
[04:10] <ajmitch> took at least a couple of weeks for me
[04:10] <tseng> it takes days for me, he knows who i am
[04:11] <tseng> oh you were just a pain :P
[04:11] <ajmitch> of course
[04:11] <bmonty> I'm good with that...I just want to make sure I did the right thing
[04:11] <tseng> it took forever for new motus
[04:11] <tseng> last big batch
[04:11] <tseng> people started making a big fuss
[04:12] <ajmitch> he was apologiesing to me for it taking long
[04:12] <ajmitch> and I cannot spell
[04:13] <Amaranth> apologizing
[04:13] <Amaranth> or apologising, if you're in UK
[04:13] <Amaranth> i guess
[04:13] <ajmitch> well
[04:13] <ajmitch> I can spell
[04:13] <ajmitch> my fingers just choose not to
[04:14] <Amaranth> tseng: Is tomboy safe to backport?
[04:14] <Amaranth> jdong is asking on the backports list
[04:14] <ajmitch> the crackports list.. sigh
[04:14] <tseng> i unsubscribed after he went on for the 500ths time about backporting illegal stuff
[04:14] <Amaranth> hehe
[04:14] <tseng> but yes
[04:14] <tseng> he can backport tomboy if it builds for him
[04:14] <Amaranth> it went from "backports things lots of users want" to "backport anything that builds, installs, and runs on breezy"
[04:14] <tseng> i dont forsee world ending events
[04:15] <ajmitch> has he backported firefox yet & broken the world?
[04:16] <Amaranth> he is working on it :P
[04:16] <ajmitch> we had plenty of things break in main & universe with a new firefox
[04:16] <bmonty> nice, I sent my key to keyring@ubuntu.com, and I get a nice autoreply with a ticket number :)
[04:16] <tseng> yeah he told me about how assslow firefox 1.0.7 is
[04:16] <ajmitch> bmonty: that's good
[04:17] <Amaranth> brb
[04:17] <ajmitch> if he backports 1.5, he'll drag in at least 20 other packages
[04:17] <tseng> mroe
[04:17] <tseng> *more
[04:18] <tseng> i wish they got somewhere with GRE
[04:18] <tseng> and we could build against libgecko, not firefox
[04:18] <Amaranth> tseng: firefox 2 will use xulruner
[04:18] <Amaranth> err, xulrunner
[04:18] <ajmitch> tseng: of course we'd still have apps breaking due to new libgecko
[04:19] <tseng> you could backport firefox to breezy libgecko
[04:20] <tseng> in my imaginary world
[04:21] <ajmitch> a world of pain & anguish
[04:22] <tseng> for everyone but me, yes
[04:22] <tseng> this is freaking classic
[04:22] <tseng> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=Content-Type&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=image%2Fjpeg&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3DSES_main-pg1.jpg&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1132214806875&ssbinary=true
[04:22] <tseng> "just push the button!"
[04:23] <SEJeff> *cough* tinyurl.com
[04:24] <SEJeff> WEP is easy to crack as 1, 2, 3. Sing with me now
[04:24] <tseng> did it say anything about wep?
[04:24] <SEJeff> tseng, That picture is funny
[04:25] <sistpoty> what button should i push then, poweroff-button?
[04:25] <SEJeff> The last time I used the Linksys tools for secure wireless, it set up wep
[04:25] <SEJeff> So I used the webgui to set up WPA
[04:25] <tseng> ajmitch: just have a few hosts copy large data across
[04:25] <tseng> it will take no time
[04:26] <SEJeff> ajmitch, normally ~10-15 minutes or less with weplab or aircrack
[04:26] <SEJeff> You don't even need to do that
[04:26] <SEJeff> There are injection attacks to make the hosts respond when you want them to
[04:26] <ajmitch> I know there's at least 3-4 networks in range of this office
[04:27] <tseng> speaking of cracking, there is some stupid website my friends have been trying to hack into about this tv show Lost
[04:27] <bmonty> SEJeff: how much does the "injection attack" reduce the time to crack the WEP key on a low traffic network?
[04:27] <ajmitch> this is why WPA is used at home
[04:27] <SEJeff> http://www.hackingdefined.com/index.php/Demos
[04:27] <tseng> it cats the password and and user together and does a hash in javascript to test the login
[04:28] <tseng> they were running 4 instances of rainbow crack on my box
[04:28] <ajmitch> how useful
[04:29] <sistpoty> only recently my pet hacked into my stereo
[04:29] <sistpoty> but the cable is repaired now :)
[04:30] <SEJeff> tseng: Rainbowcrack is amazing for windows passwords
[04:31] <SEJeff> tseng: I spent a week making the tables and 30 seconds cracking passwords
[04:31] <tseng> not so amazing for unknown length words :)
[04:31] <tseng> it could be 12, it could be 20
[04:31] <Lathiat> tseng: haha
[04:31] <SEJeff> I generated and 8 char table alphanumeric with extended stuff
[04:31] <tseng> i think they gave up
[04:31] <SEJeff> Thats most passwords
[04:32] <tseng> the rcrack guy sells a rather large table
[04:32] <ajmitch> some people have too much time to generate these tables
[04:33] <Amaranth> you could do versioned libgecko packages
[04:33] <tseng> Amaranth: exactly
[04:34] <tseng> thats why gnome doesnt assplode every time we update a lib
[04:34] <tseng> unless you are running sid..
[04:34] <tseng> or the lib in question is libdbus
[04:35] <ajmitch> or libpng
[04:36] <Amaranth> libpng is just sad, dbus is understandable
[04:45] <Kyral> Is there a Wikipage for Fluxbox yet...
[04:46] <ajmitch> should there be one?
[04:47] <Kyral> There is one, and its in the Cleanup section
[04:49] <ajmitch> ok, so you answered your question :)
[04:50] <Kyral> yah
[05:02] <bmonty> good night everyone
[05:02] <Kyral> cya
[05:23] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[05:45] <minghua> the MOTU Report is already sent out, right?
[05:50] <ajmitch> yes
[06:05] <hub> hey dholbach
[06:05] <dholbach> good morning motus
[06:05] <hub> early bird?
[06:05] <dholbach> hey hub :)
[06:05] <dholbach> catches the worm :)
[06:05] <Kyral> morning dholbach
[06:05] <dholbach> hey Kyral :)
[06:05] <LaserJock> hi dholbach
[06:05] <dholbach> hey LaserJock
[06:05] <dholbach> how are you all?
[06:06] <hub> tired
[06:06] <hub> time for bed
[06:06] <Kyral> About to shower before bed
[06:06] <dholbach> :)
[06:06] <ajmitch> morning dholbach
[06:06] <Kyral> and I have to finish a WikiPage tomorrow
[06:07] <minghua> morning dholbach
[06:07] <hub> the libpano12 upgrade break hugin
[06:07] <hub> krap
[06:07] <hub> I have to patch it
[06:07] <hub> not tonite
[06:07] <hub> maybe this week-end
[06:07] <dholbach> Kyral: which one?
[06:07] <dholbach> hub: should be fun, shouldnt it?
[06:07] <dholbach> ajmitch: which one?
[06:07] <dholbach> hey minghua
[06:07] <Kyral> one of my Forum comrades started one on Fluxbox
[06:07] <Kyral> I got his permission to edit at will :P
[06:07] <ajmitch> dholbach: my dapper desktop system :)
[06:08] <dholbach> Kyral: ah cool
[06:08] <dholbach> ajmitch: shouldnt be THAT broken :)
[06:08] <ajmitch> dholbach: still on 2.6.12..
[06:08] <ajmitch> I don't want to reboot yet :)
[06:08] <dholbach> it's not that bad :)
[06:08] <Kyral> After which I will put my name on the CC Agenda
[06:08] <dholbach> ajmitch: you can always choose the old one in the list
[06:09] <ajmitch> dholbach: sure, but it's the udev/initramfs stuff that would break
[06:09] <ajmitch> rather then the kernel
[06:09] <dholbach> i was fine, when i booted the old one
[06:09] <LaserJock> right now the 2.6.15 kernel is much better for me
[06:09] <ajmitch> I'll wait until I have another system to break at will
[06:09] <dholbach> (for rescuing, when udev was broken)
[06:09] <dholbach> but now it's fine
[06:09] <dholbach> i see
[06:10] <ajmitch> most of them kde :)
[06:10] <dholbach> :))
[06:10] <Kyral> I have one supporter from the Forums coming to support me on Tuesday
[06:10] <LaserJock> the only problem I had was I had to completely remove pcmcia
[06:11] <ajmitch> Kyral: doing merges would help your chances of a MOTU speaking up for you ;)
[06:11] <Kyral> Yah yah
[06:11] <LaserJock> I still haven't figured out how to find what packages are install by default in Ubuntu
[06:11] <Kyral> LJ mind explaining merging to me sometime this weekend?
[06:12] <LaserJock> Kyral: sure
[06:12] <ajmitch> merging is dead simple
[06:15] <LaserJock> dpkg-dev isn't installed by default is it?
[06:15] <ajmitch> no, there's no reason to
[06:15] <LaserJock> DNMG says that it should already be install, but I didn't think so for Ubuntu
[06:23] <zakame> afternoon all :)
[06:23] <ajmitch> hi :)
[06:24] <ajmitch> zakame: what TZ are you in? UTC+9 ?
[06:25] <zakame> ajmitch: UTC+8 :) But I think jerome's at UTC+9 now
[06:25] <ajmitch> ok
[06:25] <minghua> hi zakame
[06:25] <zakame> hello minghua :) how's everything?
[06:25] <minghua> zakame: which country are you in?
[06:25] <zakame> philippines
[06:26] <minghua> zakame: good, but busy.  it's final week at school, and lots of homework to grade
[06:26] <minghua> still better than DOing homework, though :-)
[06:26] <minghua> zakame: I ask because china is in UTC+8 as well
[06:27] <zakame> minghua: hehe :-)  I myself am in back-to-school mode, having some assignments to pass
[07:02] <ajmitch> crimsun: sigh, I didn't realise you'd merged xdiskusage already, since it was still on the new list
[07:05] <zakame> hi slomo :D
[07:07] <Kyral> Goodnight MOTUs
[07:09] <slomo> hi zakame, gn8 Kyral ;)
[07:10] <Kyral> slomo: check my package ;P
[07:11] <slomo> Kyral: sure
[07:13] <slomo> Kyral: can you wait some seconds before leaving ;)
[07:16] <slomo> Kyral: you have my vote ;)
[07:17] <dholbach> oh yeah - a REVU day!
[07:23] <LaserJock> slomo: you can upload the same version to review?
[07:24] <slomo> LaserJock: ? you mean uploading something with the same version number multiple times? yes... revu works on upload date, not version number
[07:24] <LaserJock> slomo: hmm, I have never gotten it to work
[07:25] <LaserJock> I have always had to bump the version number to get it to show up in REVU
[07:25] <slomo> LaserJock: where's the problem? when dput tells you that you've already uploaded it either delete the .upload file or use dput -f foo.changes
[07:25] <LaserJock> slomo: I do that put it doesn't ever show up on REVU
[07:25] <LaserJock> s/put/but/
[07:26] <LaserJock> then I bump the version and it is there
[07:26] <slomo> LaserJock: hmm, tell siretart about it... or ping me when you can try it again ;)
[07:27] <LaserJock> slomo: will do, I just don't know what I'm doing wrong :(
[07:31] <slomo> bbl
[07:45] <bojan> morning
[07:46] <dholbach> hi bojan
[07:46] <zakame> hi bojan :)
[07:47] <bojan> hi dholbach, zakame
[07:48] <bojan> i've downloaded the hztty package, and would like take care of it
[07:48] <bojan> but first i have to file it in malone, right?
[08:13] <crimsun> ajmitch: sorry 'bout that
[08:37] <ajmitch> it was a 2 min merge anyway :)
[10:38] <siretart> fucking scriptkiddies.. :/
[10:38] <siretart> morning
[10:38] <ajmitch> hi siretart
[10:38] <ajmitch> what's wrong?
[10:38] <slomo_> hi siretart :)
[10:39] <ajmitch> siretart: it's not tiber, is it?
[10:39] <siretart> ajmitch: no, not tiber
[10:39] <slomo_> siretart: any idea why filing a rename bug with lpbugs on libqalculate doesn't show up? all bugreports before it and after it worked... i already tried it two times ;)
[10:40] <siretart> 'freiburg' was hacked yesterday. (running http://tauware.de and http://chummer.net)
[10:40] <ajmitch> slomo_: package might not be listed in LP
[10:40] <siretart> some script kiddie found it fun to install an openftpd and shareing movies
[10:40] <ajmitch> sigh
[10:40] <siretart> well, now I have 2 new movies..
[10:40] <ajmitch> hehe
[10:41] <slomo_> ajmitch: oh ok, well needs only a giveback anyway
[10:41] <slomo_> hehe which movies? ;)
[10:41] <siretart> mr.mrs.smith.pal.nl.dvdr.iso and bbk-tah.pal.nl.dvdr.iso
[10:41] <ajmitch> ok
[10:41] <ajmitch> nl? hmm
[10:42] <slomo_> hehe
[10:42] <crimsun> dang. At least they could have pirated better movies.
[10:42] <siretart> jepp :/
[10:42] <slomo_> what's the second one? the first one is boring imho ;)
[10:42] <siretart> The.Amityville.Horror.2005.PAL.NL.DVDR-BiERBUiKEN
[10:44] <\sh_away> slomo_: package not in LP database?
[10:44] <ajmitch> hey \sh
[10:44] <\sh> moins
[10:44] <slomo_> \sh: maybe... what shall i do? register it?
[10:44] <siretart> does anyone know joomla?
[10:45] <\sh> slomo_: ping kiko on #launchpad to add it to the database...as far as I know they didn't imported all new dapper packages to the DB
[10:45] <slomo_> ok, done
[10:46] <siretart> morning \sh
[10:46] <\sh> hey siretart
[10:47] <siretart> gnarf. I these damn php kiddies..
[10:47] <siretart> why cannot they setup announce mailinglist?
[10:48] <crimsun> hehe
[10:53] <slomo_> lol
[10:53] <slomo_> when searching for slomosnail on google the merge page is the first hit =)
[10:54] <bojan> to /sh: is it true that there was a tutorial about packaging in #ubuntu-motu-school already?
[10:56] <\sh> bojan: no...there was a quick session about diff and patch usage instead of dpatch
[10:58] <bojan> ah, is there a log of this session, for the people, who were not there?
[10:58] <slomo_> bbl
[11:00] <crimsun> http://netz.smurf.noris.de/logs/freenode/
[11:01] <bojan> crimsun: thx
[11:01] <crimsun> lovely. vtk fails due to ''cp -r a f'' instead of ''cp -r a/* f''
[11:11] <\sh> bojan: from this session no..but Kyral volunteered to write a sum up
[11:18] <dholbach> \sh: nobody has it in .xchat2/xchatlogs/?
[11:25] <colinl> hi
[11:26] <colinl> Lathiat: any news on the patches I sent you regarding the arbitrary code execution in Sylpheed and Sylpheed-Claws?
[11:31] <bojan> \sh: ok
[11:33] <crimsun> colinl: if you don't hear back in a few hours, ping me this afternoon (it's 5:33 AM localtime)
[11:34] <colinl> crimsun: ok
[11:36] <crimsun> janimo: 'morning, I'll have some time for Xfce this afternoon.
[11:48] <janimo> crimsun, hey
[11:48] <janimo> great
[11:49] <janimo> REVU stuff, or something else you have in mind?
[11:49] <janimo> ALSA is broken in this new kernel so I didn't hear you at first :)
[11:52] <dredg> \sh: got a minute?
[11:52] <\sh> dredg: sure..8 mins before I go to lunch =
[11:52] <dredg> just need to confirm your phone number
[11:53] <dredg> +49 700 sourcecode == +49 700 7687232633
[11:53] <dredg> is this correct?
[11:53] <dredg> (nice phone number btw)
[11:54] <\sh> dredg: yes...
[11:54] <\sh> dredg: correct :)
[11:54] <dredg> excellent
[11:54] <ogra> every motu please call \sh to confirm its really him :)
[11:54] <\sh> ogra: there is a voicebox answering :)
[11:55] <\sh> ogra: the others have my mobile :)
[11:55] <raphink> hehe
[11:55] <ogra> but still, do such things in a query, not everybody likes his number in a publich logged channel ;) (i dont mind either...)
[11:55] <raphink> I shall :)
[11:55] <dredg> \sh: done. you should hear from someone over the next few days
[11:56] <\sh> dredg: thx :) I think I owe you now some favours as well :)
[11:57] <raphink> ogra: I think I wouldn't like it much myself ;)
[11:57] <dredg> anyone else? ;)
[11:57] <raphink> what for dredg ?
[11:57] <dholbach> :)
[11:58] <ogra> raphink, thats what i meant, i dont care myself.... but this channel is logged and now everybody who searches for \sh and phone number might find it on google ;)
[11:58] <\sh> ogra: hahaha.....
[11:58] <raphink> yes
[11:58] <dredg> hey, we could stage a motu takeover of google from the inside... :)
[11:58] <ogra> cool idea :)
[11:58] <raphink> ogra: oh well it was somehow ... crypted lol
[11:58] <\sh> ogra: well...sometimes you are so right ,-)
[11:58] <raphink> dredg: why now ;)
[11:59] <raphink> not
[11:59] <janimo> anybody feel like revu-ing xubuntu-docs? _very_ simple and small package based on kubuntu-docs, thanks
[11:59] <raphink> I was teaching one of my teenager students yesterday to not give up personal information on the internet... bad example for him...
[12:00] <ogra> heh
[12:00] <raphink> janimo: hey how d'you dare advertising like this ? ;) j/k
[12:00] <janimo> I am shameless
[12:00] <raphink> I've got about 10 packages waiting to be reviewed .... some of them have already been advocated once
[12:00] <janimo> in the morning
[12:00] <dredg> \sh: and good luck. if there's anything more i can help you with, yell
[12:00] <\sh> dredg: sure :)
[12:00] <janimo> raphink, hmm let me take a look then at some of your packages
[12:01] <raphink> sure janimo :)
[12:01] <raphink> they are the ones signed by raphink@raphink.net ;)
[12:01] <raphink> easy ;)
[12:01] <janimo> yup saw them
[12:01] <janimo> any which is not kde related?
[12:01] <raphink> haha
[12:02] <janimo> I'd like to take on easy and small ones as I am not  only shameless but lazy too
[12:02] <raphink> you mean not directly-kde-related ?
[12:02] <raphink> or not kubuntu/kde related at all ;)
[12:02] <dredg> raphink: ah, just read back and saw your 'what for?'. jobs in google. i ccan accept CVs and skip them over the queueing process
[12:02] <janimo> really, low bandwidth and things like that
[12:02] <raphink> ok let's find small and easy ones ...
[12:02] <janimo> I'd like not to have to dl 20 minutes fro REVUing one package
[12:02] <raphink> what kinds of jobs dredg ?
[12:03] <janimo> even if after that it would attenuate if I revu more
[12:03] <raphink> ic
[12:03] <raphink> let me see
[12:03] <raphink> konq-toutf8 should be fine for you...
[12:03] <raphink> it's _very_ small and _very_ simple
[12:04] <janimo> I was just looking at it
[12:04] <raphink> and then konq-encrypt-menu is of the same kind
[12:04] <janimo> ok I'll take a look then
[12:04] <raphink> ok
[12:04] <dholbach> we'll have a review day next week
[12:04] <dholbach> we really need it
[12:04] <janimo> but building it requires whole KDE?
[12:04] <raphink> :)
[12:04] <raphink> I'll brb
[12:04] <dredg> raphink: i'm only aware of the ones in ireland, but any of the jobs on http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/static.py?page=search.html
[12:06] <raphink> ok
[12:08] <raphink> not sure I'd like to apply for a google job, if I ever could
[12:09] <dredg> if you are (or anyone else is) interested, send me a cv in ascii with one or more jobs you'd like to apply for and i'll submit it to one of our recruiters for consideration
[12:10] <dredg> and by recruiters i don't mean soul-sucking beings of evil that screw with your head. i mean a recruiter that works for us.
[12:10] <dredg> raphink: uh, me either :)
[12:10] <raphink> hehe
[12:11] <dredg> dholbach: i aim to please
[12:11] <raphink> actually, if I ever had to work in computer sciences, I can't tell what level is
[12:11] <dholbach> you do well
[12:11] <raphink> I mean what lever I have
[12:11] <raphink> pfiew :p
[12:11] <raphink> s/lever/level
[12:11] <dredg> dholbach: not bitter about past experiences with recruiters. oh no.
[12:12] <dredg> raphink: right, but you generally have some idea of what you're good at :)
[12:12] <raphink> hmm well I've got such a weird education
[12:12] <raphink> lol
[12:13] <raphink> lately I'm studying innovative pedagogies, and I doubt google is intersted in that ... although that could help increasing productivity
[12:14] <dredg> heh. for reference, my boss' boss' boss is the senior director of IS/IT and has no computer qualifications
[12:15] <dredg> i think he has a psychology background
[12:15] <raphink> ok
[12:15] <raphink> :)
[12:15] <colinl> while we're at throwing jobs around, french-speaking people willing to relocate to Toulouse, with a good Linux kernel knowledge (especially in the storage area) and interest in clustering, could apply for jobs at Seanodes: http://www.seanodes.com/careers.htm
[12:16] <raphink> seems interesting, but far too technical for me so far
[12:16] <raphink> welcome to #oss-jobs ;)
[12:17] <dredg> indeed :)
[12:17] <raphink> :)
[12:18] <raphink> I was maybe proposed a job in planning a pedagogical curriculum in russian orphanages, but that has nothing to do with open-source ;)
[12:18] <raphink> lol
[12:23] <dholbach> somebody should update hula to a new version...
[12:26] <bojan> dholbach: the link is defect
[12:27] <dholbach> bojan: which link?
[12:27] <bojan> this one: http://people.ubuntu.com/~scott/ongoing-merge/hula
[12:27] <dholbach> yeah, because it needs a new upstream vresion
[12:28] <dholbach> version
[12:28] <dholbach> i'm not sure debian has hula at all
[12:28] <bojan> oh, i see
[12:28] <Mithrandir>       hula | 0.1.0+svn379-2 |       testing | source, alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc
[12:28] <Mithrandir>       hula | 0.1.0+svn379-2 |      unstable | alpha, arm, hppa, i386, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390
[12:28] <Mithrandir>       hula | 0.1.0+svn379-2.1 |      unstable | source, ia64, sparc
[12:29] <dholbach> oh they do
[12:29] <dholbach> and a hell lot more recent
[12:41] <janimo> \sh, apache 2.2 is out for large file support on your 32 bit servers :)
[12:47] <lucas> what are the chances that somebody review and upload motutools over the week-end ?
[12:47] <lucas> I'm considering uploading it to debian so it will get to universe this way instead
[12:47] <dholbach> lucas: i can only urge you to be patient - there are people waiting much longer than you
[12:47] <dholbach> and everybody's quite busy
[12:48] <dholbach> i'm well aware that this is not optimal
[12:48] <ogra> and i doubt its a good idea to upload t to debian
[12:48] <dholbach> but threatening doesn't help at any rate
[12:48] <janimo> how will this bottleneck be handled in the future?
[12:48] <lucas> I'm not threatening
[12:48] <lucas> just try to find solutions
[12:49] <dholbach> we can all just review more
[12:49] <dholbach> that's all
[12:49] <janimo> doesn't scale well
[12:49] <dholbach> but we have to
[12:49] <janimo> with current REVU
[12:49] <dholbach> we have like 10 active motus
[12:49] <dholbach> and we have like 20 new people who want to learn packaging
[12:49] <ogra> it will if we are more ppl and have revu2
[12:49] <dholbach> (apart from new packages from motu guys themselves)
[12:49] <janimo> when if revu2 ETA?
[12:50] <dholbach> reviewing takes time and must be done
[12:50] <janimo> is
[12:50] <raphink> dholbach: so there's a need for more MOTUs I guess
[12:50] <dholbach> i think this is a social problem
[12:50] <dholbach> raphink: definitely
[12:50] <dholbach> raphink: and we will get them by doing more reviews
[12:50] <ogra> there is a spce for dapper for revu2, so it must be done in dapper timeframe
[12:50] <ogra> *spec
[12:50] <raphink> dholbach: "vertuous circle"
[12:50] <raphink> virtuous
[12:50] <dholbach> vicious? :)
[12:51] <raphink> no, the contrary
[12:51] <raphink> ;)
[12:51] <janimo> it's not just social it is technical as well
[12:51] <raphink> since the more you review, the more MOTUs you get, and the more reviews you can achieve
[12:51] <janimo> the web interface could be a lot better
[12:51] <raphink> dholbach: who can apply for MOTU?
[12:51] <lucas> raphink: ubuntu members
[12:51] <janimo> I am criticizing but constructively I hope
[12:51] <raphink> lucas: and how can I become an ubuntu member?
[12:52] <lucas> by reading the wiki :)
[12:52] <dholbach> janimo: i'd try to get more people reviewing first
[12:52] <lucas> wait
[12:52] <raphink> ok
[12:52] <dholbach> i know that tools are more exciting
[12:52] <raphink> yeah I read that parts
[12:52] <dholbach> and writing tools
[12:52] <lucas> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NewMemberHowto
[12:52] <dholbach> but we have to do the actual work
[12:52] <janimo> dholbach, the problem with REVu is that it is not too pleasant :)
[12:52] <janimo> UI-wise
[12:52] <lucas> dholbach: having a better infrastructure can make things faster
[12:52] <raphink> lucas: do you think that is fine to be an Ubuntu member ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Raphink
[12:53] <lucas> look at motu-tools' lpbugs.py
[12:53] <lucas> it helps a lot
[12:53] <lucas> raphink: I'm not in position to jugde, I'm not a member myself
[12:53] <raphink> ok
[12:53] <raphink> well then dholbach what do you think ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Raphink
[12:53] <raphink> do you think I could apply, or should I wait more?
[12:53] <raphink> lucas: on the 6th ? :)
[12:54] <dredg> raphink: reads better than mine :)
[12:54] <lucas> raphink: yup, but my problem is can't attend the meeting
[12:54] <dredg> wiki/NiallSheridan
[12:54] <raphink> dredg: so you think I can apply as member with this?
[12:54] <dredg> yep
[12:55] <raphink> :)
[12:56] <kiko> libqalculate added
[01:36] <dholbach> debian's hula is a bit older too :)
[02:19] <siretart> YIPPPIEEE!
[02:19] <ogra> ??
[02:19] <Kyral> Morning
[02:20] <ogra> siretart, mind the neighbors :)
[02:20] <siretart> ogra: finally, it works now!
[02:20] <ogra> congrats ... to whatever
[02:20] <ogra> :)
[02:20] <siretart> ogra: I'm running now my X server (radeon) in MergedFB Mode with non-rectangular virtual desktop sizes
[02:20] <siretart> without panning at all!
[02:20] <siretart> this is soo great! :)
[02:20] <Kyral> siretart:
[02:21] <Kyral> what does that mean
[02:21] <ogra> non-rectangular ?
[02:21] <zakame> siretart: wow!!!
[02:21] <ogra> so you have round ones now ? o_O
[02:21] <siretart> ogra: this is basically this bug: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1956
[02:21] <Ubugtu> xorg bug #1956: Allow non-rectangular virtual desktop with radeon MergedFB dual headed mode Product: xorg, Component: Driver/Radeon, Severity: enhancement, Assigned to: xorg-team@lists.x.org, Status: NEW https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1956
[02:22] <siretart> ogra: my laptop internal screensize is 1024x768, and I have an external one with 1280x1024
[02:22] <ogra> ah
[02:22] <siretart> ogra: in breezy, I had to pan around, because it was made rectangular, say: 2304x1024
[02:22] <siretart> and finally this works now. It is undocumented, though ;)
[02:22] <ogra> cool
[02:23] <ogra> (not the last bit though, but that it worrks)
[02:23] <siretart> in a very delicate setup: xorg from breezy with xorg-server-driver-ati from dapper
[02:26] <sladen> Ubugtu: with Merged FB you actually have one enormous framebuffer and happen to overlay both outputs over the same memory with different start-address and step-sizes.  You need to allocate as much memory as required for a recentangle that encompasses both displays
[02:26] <siretart> sladen: Ubugtu is just a bot ;)
[02:27] <Kyral> 1 advocation for my EasyChem :D
[02:28] <sladen> gah damnit, tell that to the luser who filed it...
[02:28] <sladen> which, if I had X, I would do...
[02:29] <siretart> sladen: err, that could be my, because I totally agree to the submitter
[02:30] <siretart> sladen: the basic problem with this was, that in a setup with 2 heads of different sizes, the smaller one always had do pan around
[02:30] <siretart> sladen: this is what the bug is about
[02:31] <StevenK> Wheee. The debdiff for moin is 13Mb.
[02:32] <tseng> oh wow
[02:32] <zakame> whoa
[02:33] <sladen> did somebody leave a dump of wiki.ubuntu.com in there?
[02:33] <StevenK> Heh
[02:33] <ogra> tseng, me snoring must be an acoustic delusion :)
[02:33] <Kyral> lol
[02:34] <zakame> wb zyga
[02:34] <zyga> zakame: hello, good day :-)
[02:35] <StevenK> steven@broken:~/ubuntu% diffstat moin_merged.debdiff | tail -n 1 806 files changed, 317349 insertions(+), 310050 deletions(-)
[02:35] <StevenK> Icky!
[02:49] <bojan> see ya later
[02:51] <dholbach> nice :)
[02:53] <zakame> siretart: ping, seems linphone is buildable in ia64 now according to buildLogs
[02:54] <siretart> zakame: close the bug, then
[02:54] <zakame> ok
[03:08] <\sh> grmpf
[03:17] <siretart> \sh: doko: is this package missing a 'Replaces' on libvips10c2?
[03:18] <siretart> \sh: doko: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5304
[03:18] <\sh> looks like
[03:19] <siretart> well, the debian maintainer uploaded it that way to debian.
[03:19] <siretart> now I wonder if I should add the missing replaces or request a sync
[03:19] <siretart> \sh: what do you think?
[03:20] <\sh> siretart: check what's happening during installation of this package when you have the old ubuntu package installed
[03:20] <\sh> siretart: it's not the first time, a DM didn't read the instructions...
[04:12] <Kyral> I really have to learn how to use screen
[04:13] <siretart> Kyral: screen is great :)
[04:13] <Kyral> Yah
[04:13] <Kyral> so I have heard :P
[04:13] <Kyral> Then I wouldn't have to kill my Irssi sessions
[04:13] <azeem> everytime you kill an irssi session, god kills a kitten
[04:14] <azeem> so use screen!
[04:14] <Kyral> isn't that everytime you.....
[04:14] <Kyral> ;p
[04:14] <Kyral> Fluxbox is great as well :D
[04:15] <siretart> azeem: is there any howto somewhere how to use sbuild on amd64 to build i386 packages 'the right way'?
[04:16] <siretart> azeem: I have now patched sbuild to accept an option --arch=i386, but I'm not sure if thats the right thing [tm] 
[04:16] <Kyral> use a LiveCD on a x86 machine?
[04:17] <Kyral> hmm, updates to Dapper knocked out sound and PCMCIA on my laptop
[04:18] <ogra> Kyral, are you on -2.6.15-6 already ?
[04:18] <janimo> Kyral, you're lucky
[04:18] <Kyral> ogra I think
[04:18] <ogra> that should solve both for most people
[04:18] <Kyral> no my lappy isn't
[04:18] <Kyral> my desktop IS
[04:18] <Kyral> and I'm having the DMA problem described on -devel
[04:18] <Kyral> on my desktop
[04:18] <ogra> me too
[04:19] <Kyral> Its slowing the hell out of my system
[04:19] <Kyral> I don't like it lol
[04:19] <ogra> ut sound and pcmcia work fine since this mornings update to -6
[04:19] <ogra> *but
[04:19] <Kyral> I haven't updated the lappy yet
[04:19] <Kyral> school dropped a 58 kB/s limit on all connections
[04:19] <azeem> siretart: hrm
[04:20] <azeem> siretart: could well be that you are fishing in uncharted waters
[04:20] <Kyral> so when I update and run IRC at the same time, IRC lags out like no one's business
[04:20] <azeem> (do you actually say that?)
[04:21] <Kyral> can someone explain udev to me..
[04:21] <Kyral> I mean what makes it better than hotplug?
[04:21] <ogra> nothing
[04:21] <siretart> azeem: well, it works for me [tm] . But it is not that nice, though
[04:21] <Kyral> so its the "Oh! New! Shiny!" factor? ;P
[04:21] <azeem> siretart: I assume pbuilder is doing that fine?
[04:22] <ogra> Kyral, before the functionallity was split between hotplug scripts and udev ...
[04:22] <ogra> Kyral, now the hotplug part is integrated into udev
[04:22] <Kyral> ah
[04:22] <ogra> additionally udev gets started in the initramfs now ...
[04:22] <Kyral> ah
[04:22] <siretart> azeem: to be honest, I never tried in pbuilder myself, but I think I've read someone blogging this
[04:23] <Kyral> so it SHOULD load faster
[04:23] <ogra> so you get rid of the starting of two services after initramfs ...
[04:23] <Kyral> I love how bootchart on the 2.6.12 kernel is broken for me
[04:23] <Kyral> in the way that its broken
[04:23] <azeem> siretart: I think this is a useful feature, even more so for DDs as they have to build i386 packages on their amd64 systems right now to get them accepted
[04:24] <Kyral> lappy loads, you get the "Loading the Kernel..." msg
[04:24] <Kyral> then "Segmentation Fault" as bootchart breaks
[04:24] <Kyral> but it looks like the kernel segfaulted :P
[04:24] <azeem> siretart: maybe one could just run dpkg-architecture in the chroot and see whether it differs
[04:24] <siretart> azeem: well, the problem basically is, that the build succeeds, but in the end, sbuild is searching for *_amd64.debs, but only *_i386.debs have been created
[04:25] <siretart> azeem: I added an option --arch, which sets $main::arch, (about 4lines patch).
[04:25] <azeem> ok
[04:25] <azeem> if you think it works fine, can you file a bug with that patch, please?
[04:27] <siretart> azeem: I'm not sure if it is fine, but as said it works for me [tm] . Ok, I will file the patch
[04:27] <xhaker> \sh, http://blog.philkern.de/archives/78-Serendipity-and-Planet-Planet-incompatibility.html
[04:28] <Kyral> oh ogra, mind up I upload your key signed by me to the servers?
[04:28] <azeem> Kyral: did you check his ID?
[04:28] <\sh> xhaker: yes...read it :=
[04:28] <Kyral> azeem: yes I know all about the process :P
[04:28] <ogra> Kyral, yes .... please mail it to me, i can verify and upload it ...
[04:28] <azeem> ok :)
[04:28] <Kyral> command to generate an attachment is..(I forgot lol)
[04:29] <ogra> Kyral, thats the common process ... dont upload other keys, leave it to the key owner ...
[04:30] <xhaker> \sh, hows the search for a new job going?
[04:30] <\sh> xhaker: yes...it begun :)
[04:34] <Kyral> brb, reboot
[04:43] <Kyral> yea! Sound and PCMCIA back :D
[04:43] <minghua> good morning!
[04:45] <xhaker> Kyral, how?
[04:45] <Kyral> latest Dapper updates
[04:45] <Kyral> 2.6.15-6
[04:45] <xhaker> and you got sound :S
[04:45] <Kyral> yah...
[04:46] <xhaker> alsa starts?
[04:46] <Kyral> yah
[04:46] <Kyral> This thing uses the standard AC97 codec
[04:46] <xhaker> whats the output of sudo invoke-rc.d alsa-utils restart ?
[04:46] <Kyral> uh?
[04:46] <xhaker> just do that for me please
[04:47] <xhaker> it will restart alsa
[04:47] <xhaker> no harm done
[04:47] <Kyral> Shutting down ALSA... ...done
[04:47] <Kyral> Setting up ALSA... ...done
[04:47] <xhaker> bummer
[04:48] <Kyral> huh?
[04:48] <xhaker> wha happened before the updates? alsactl something no soundcards found?
[04:48] <Kyral> no
[04:48] <Kyral> couldn't find snd_default or something like that
[04:48] <xhaker> ok
[04:48] <Kyral> why?
[04:49] <xhaker> then i guess my problem is not fixed yet
[04:49] <xhaker> :P
[04:49] <Kyral> lol
[04:49] <xhaker> i only have OSS output
[04:49] <Kyral> 2.6.15-6?
[04:49] <xhaker> alsa doesnt start
[04:49] <xhaker> yes
[04:49] <Kyral> I didn't even have that :P
[04:49] <Kyral> Soundcard wasn't found PERIOD
[04:50] <xhaker> lets see
[04:50] <xhaker> reboot
[04:50] <Kyral> me?
[04:51] <Kyral> I gotta get to class ;P
[04:53] <xhaker> :(
[05:00] <xhaker> xchat-gnome is slick
[05:00] <xhaker> no spell check tho
[05:00] <xhaker> :S
[05:42] <pef> hello
[05:51] <lamont__> ajmitch minghua: in ubuntu, i386 builds arch all, the others just build arch-specific.
[05:51] <colinl> crimsun: ping about sylpheed-claws :)
[05:54] <pef> in buildLogs, what does -given-back.gz suffix means ? technical server problem ? (like no free space)
[06:00] <minghua> lamont__: thanks for the explanation
[06:02] <lamont__> minghua: that is, on i386, sbuild gets passed --arch=all, which results in -b instead of -B to dpkg-buildpackage.
[06:02] <lamont__> policy says that you must provide binary-{arch,indep}
[06:03] <lamont__> likewise, reality says that the build-depends in control specifies everything needed by the 'build' target, since that's what dpkg-buildpackage uses
[06:05] <Gloubiboulga> hi
[06:09] <raphink> woo :)
[06:10] <raphink> just made myself a hackergotchi :)
[06:10] <minghua> lamont__: but as the same situation in Debian, packages that only build arch:all package(s) without binary-arch target won't fail on buildds, as only i386 buildd will pick it up, correct?
[06:13] <xhaker> raphink: show
[06:13] <raphink> xhaker: https://launchpad.net/people/raphink
[06:14] <raphink> it's a bit rough on the edges
[06:14] <xhaker> raphink: have you tried smart blur?
[06:15] <raphink> I'm trying a manual blur
[06:15] <raphink> I'm no gimp-guru
[06:16] <raphink> it's a bit better now I think :)
[06:16] <raphink> a bit of blur on the edges :)
[06:16] <xhaker> nice!
[06:16] <raphink> :)
[06:21] <lamont__> minghua: well, um...
[06:22] <lamont__> minghua: the way arch-all-building is done in wanna-build, everyone tries, and everyone except i386 fails, but we don't care.
[06:22] <lamont__> once i386 succeeds, everyone forgets that the package exists at all
[06:22] <lamont__> where 'everyone' is the collection of architectures
[06:23] <minghua> lamont__: Ah, that's pretty sloppy :-)
[06:24] <lamont__> minghua: and then on the log machine, if the failure is ": (amd64|hppa|ia64|powerpc|sparc) not in arch list: all -- skipping
[06:24] <lamont__> ", then we discard the log completely
[06:24] <lamont__> minghua: remember, launchpad is going to do all this for us, starting right after warty releases.
[06:24] <Nafallo> s/warty/dapper/ ?
[06:24] <lamont__> and doing it for real in wanna-build would have required major overhaul
[06:24] <lamont__> Nafallo: no.
[06:25] <minghua> lamont__: so debian policy is still enforced, and I'm justified to file bugs on packages without binary-arch target, correct?
[06:25] <lamont__> minghua: if the package only delivers *_all.deb, I don't think anyone has ever much cared if dpkg-buildpackage -B failed.
[06:25] <Nafallo> ehm. isn't warty released as 4.10 anymore?
[06:26] <lamont__> Nafallo: yep. launchpad is maybe a little bit late.
[06:26] <Nafallo> hehe, oki ;-)
[06:26] <Nafallo> like a bit over a year or so :-)
[06:26] <lamont__> it's also had a fair amount of feature-creep that has pushed it out
[06:27] <minghua> lamont__: okay, I know people don't really care as long as the package builds...
[06:27] <lamont__> minghua: the normal failure is that dpkg-genchanges has a fit because binary-arch didn't build anything
[06:28] <lamont__> minghua: and note that dpkg either calls 'binary' or 'binary-arch' depending on -b or -B
[06:28] <lamont__> at least, I'm pretty sure on that point
[06:29] <lamont__>  /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules binary
[06:29] <lamont__>  /usr/bin/fakeroot debian/rules binary-arch
[06:29] <lamont__> yep
[06:36] <Kyral> Anyone good with Wikicode?
[06:43] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping?
[06:43] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[06:44] <LaserJock> dholbach: do you think malone bug #5142 could be changed to accepted? I was able to confirm it.
[06:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5142: Segment fault on xdrawchem In: xdrawchem (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Science, Status: NeedInfo https://launchpad.net/bugs/5142
[06:44] <dholbach> accepted means you take care of it
[06:44] <dholbach> of whoever is assigned to it
[06:46] <LaserJock> well, I don't know what the problem is. It might take a change upstream or something like that. Is "accepted" ok in that case?
[06:47] <Kyral> I only need one more vote for EasyChem, any MOTUs (aside from slomo) mind looking at it?
[06:47] <dholbach> LaserJock: if you do
[06:48] <minghua> LaserJock: you can reproduce the crash?
[06:48] <LaserJock> minghua: yes
[06:49] <LaserJock> unfotunately I am not enough of a programmer to know what is going on :(
[06:49] <minghua> let's try to nail down this "MOTUScience's first bug" then :-)
[06:49] <LaserJock> minghua: ok, sweet
[06:50] <minghua> dholbach, LaserJock: I think "accepted" is premature, but what about removing "needinfo"?
[06:50] <LaserJock> ok, I think that is good since the reporter did what dholbach requested, I think
[06:51] <minghua> LaserJock: I would suggest you change the status back to "new", and add a comment saying you can reproduce it
[06:51] <LaserJock> also, it looks like azeem is the Debian guy for xdrawchem so maybe we can get something from him.
[06:51] <LaserJock> minghua: ok
[06:52] <minghua> LaserJock: I'll look at it this weekend, but don't expect too much, as I'm not a programmer either...
[06:53] <minghua> the gdb trace is not really useful though...
[06:53] <LaserJock> minghua: np, I might bug azeem about it nex time I see him. I am going to try to reproduce it in debian
[06:54] <LaserJock> siretart: ping?
[06:54] <minghua> Argh, there is a much better backtrace in the comments, someone should change the bug description...
[06:55] <siretart> LaserJock: pong
[06:55] <minghua> LaserJock: by the way, you reproduced it in breezy, didn't you?
[06:55] <LaserJock> minghua: think so, could have been dapper but I think it was breezy. I can't remember anymore ;-)
[06:56] <minghua> LaserJock: I only have a dapper system, I'll try reproducing it in dapper first
[06:56] <LaserJock> siretart: do you know if you can just put in the address for a ML in the contact address on LP?
[06:56] <minghua> but not today, busy Friday now
[06:57] <siretart> LaserJock: sure, why not?
[06:58] <LaserJock> siretart: I was just uncertain if it worked that way. Thanks
[07:00] <LaserJock> minghua: btw, you should sign up for our ML
[07:00] <minghua> LaserJock: oh we have one?  :-P
[07:00] <LaserJock> yeah, I sent out an email. It's at http://tauware.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-science
[07:00] <\sh> re
[07:09] <LaserJock> minghua: sweet, thanks
[07:16] <xhaker> raphink:
[07:16] <raphink> yes xhaker ?
[07:16] <xhaker> made my hackergotchi :P https://launchpad.net/people/xhaker
[07:17] <raphink> nice :)
[07:17] <xhaker> old photo. big hair at that time :P
[07:19] <rave_> hellow again :)
[07:26] <rave_> how is every one doing today ?
[07:28] <LaserJock> rave_: fine, how about yourself?
[07:36] <rave_> fine fine :) just came back from a boat
[07:36] <rave_> i installed a fire fighting system on it
[07:49] <xhaker> dholbach: that's a python applet
[07:49] <dholbach> xhaker: we need .orig.tar.gz, .dsc and .diff.gz to have a look
[07:49] <dholbach> the .deb doesn't really help
[07:51] <xhaker> i don't have neither
[07:51] <xhaker> ok.. maybe i can make a tar.gz
[07:51] <dholbach> how do you 'produce' the .deb?
[07:52] <xhaker> dholbach: you really have to help me on this.. i know how to code but packaging is still kinda ****
[07:52] <xhaker> dholbach: someone made the first package for us
[07:53] <xhaker> and now i usually just replace it's contents with the new stuff
[07:53] <dholbach> you have a debian/ dir
[07:53] <dholbach> ?
[07:54] <xhaker> i don't think so
[07:54] <dholbach> oh
[07:54] <dholbach> well, that's what you need
[07:54] <dholbach> if you want me to package it, i can do that
[07:55] <rave_> awww :)
[07:55] <rave_> see these ppl arn called hero`s for nothing :)
[07:55] <rave_> i love MOTU`s :)
[07:56] <dholbach> :)
[07:56] <xhaker> can you teach me after or something, maybe just the basic  "how do you 'produce' the .deb"
[07:56] <dholbach> become a MOTU today! get fan mail! parties all day! ...! :)
[07:56] <rave_> :D
[07:56] <LaserJock> sounds like it's time for #ubuntu-motu-school ;-)
[07:57] <xhaker> i was at the first lesson haha :P
[07:57] <dholbach> xhaker: we can do that... but it's a longer way than you might think
[07:57] <dholbach> it's not just half an hour of "stuff" :)
[07:57] <rave_> MOTU for life :p
[07:57] <xhaker> dholbach: i have some debian something packaging book
[07:57] <LaserJock> dholbach: are you kidding, there is checkinstall. just kidding
[07:57] <rave_> ebook you mean ?
[07:58] <rave_> ooh
[07:58] <LaserJock> xhaker: are you on dapper?
[07:58] <xhaker> i am
[07:58] <dholbach> xhaker: i suggest you have a look at similar packages first
[07:58] <rave_> im writing e ebook maybe for MOTU ... patching how to :))
[07:58] <dholbach> and inspect the debian/ dir
[07:58] <LaserJock> in the gnome help there is a packaging guide. I don't know if that is what you are talking about
[07:58] <xhaker> wifi-radar maybe :)
[07:58] <rave_> yes thats a good diea
[07:59] <rave_> sudo apt-get source wifi-radar
[07:59] <xhaker> yes
[07:59] <dholbach> don#t need no sudo
[07:59] <rave_> dpkg-source -x wifi-radar*.dsc
[07:59] <dholbach> but that's fine, yes
[07:59] <rave_> cd *
[07:59] <rave_> cd debian
[07:59] <dholbach> devscripts is a helpful package
[07:59] <rave_> and behold the miracle :p
[08:00] <Kyral> debhelper I like :D
[08:00] <rave_> pico i like
[08:00] <rave_> i did all by hand for my ftpd
[08:00] <Kyral> Though I am really eager to attend ajmitch__'s class on making packages without any script help
[08:00] <rave_> so its missing a lot
[08:01] <rave_> 10 december right ?
[08:02] <xhaker> so dholbach please check that deb.. to see if there's something bad about it and i'll learn some new stuff
[08:02] <dholbach> the .deb is no good for reviewing
[08:02] <dholbach> really not
[08:02] <dholbach> if i have a source and a debian/ dir, that helps
[08:02] <dholbach> i daresay you have to learn it this way
[08:02] <dholbach> a random .deb doesnt help, sorry
[08:03] <xhaker> dholbach: i meant the dependencies and whatnot
[08:03] <xhaker> nvm
[08:03] <dholbach> that makes no sense
[08:03] <dholbach> the debian/ dir specifies, how the package is built
[08:03] <dholbach> and that's what's important
[08:04] <xhaker> i'm trying to do you
[08:04] <dholbach> you could use dh_make to add example debian/ dir to your project
[08:04] <xhaker> get back to you later
[08:04] <dholbach> ok, sure
[08:04] <dholbach> i'm happy to look at things you achieved then
[08:04] <dholbach> cool
[08:08] <rave_> jeej found a funny bug to fix :)
[08:08] <Kyral> This is odd
[08:09] <Kyral> I seems to have received two of every msg to the lists
[08:10] <rave_> what list ?
[08:10] <Kyral> Ubuntu-Doc, Ubuntu-Devel...
[08:12] <rave_> hmm
[08:12] <rave_> using thunderbird ?
[08:13] <Kyral> Evolution
[08:14] <rave_> hmm
[08:14] <rave_> i had this with thunderbird
[08:14] <rave_> because
[08:14] <xhaker> dholbach: i don't think i need a diff.gz
[08:14] <rave_> i emailed the bug reported for comments
[08:14] <dholbach> you don't
[08:14] <dholbach> but it's nicer
[08:15] <rave_> and also mailed the launchpad bug page
[08:30] <Gloubiboulga> what status should be assigned to a to-be-synced package ?
[08:31] <rave_> uhhmmm hold on
[08:32] <minghua> Gloubiboulga: pendingupload
[08:32] <rave_> ye
[08:32] <minghua> Gloubiboulga: I assume you are not a MOTU
[08:32] <Gloubiboulga> thanks
[08:32] <Gloubiboulga> no minghua
[08:32] <Gloubiboulga> maybe some day... ;)
[08:33] <minghua> Gloubiboulga: then pendingupload it is.  find some MOTU to review your bug and request the sync for you
[08:36] <Gloubiboulga> yep
[08:36] <dholbach> good night motus
[08:36] <rave_> jack-dev 1.0 is in dapper right ?
[08:36] <xhaker> dholbach:
[08:37] <xhaker> what's the commandline option for diff
[08:37] <rave_> debdiff
[08:37] <rave_> or diff
[08:37] <xhaker> between two dirs?
[08:37] <xhaker> the option man
[08:37] <xhaker> diff -uir ?
[08:37] <rave_> sorry for answering a question not asked to me
[08:37] <rave_> ow to dirs :|
[08:37] <rave_> i dont know
[08:37] <dholbach> -ruN
[08:37] <xhaker> thanks dholbach
[08:38] <slomo> i use -Naur ;)
[08:38] <xhaker> a?
[08:38] <xhaker> any reason?
[08:38] <slomo> don't know anymore... i had a reason the first time i used diff and now i'm used to type -Naur ;)
[08:39] <slomo>  -a  --text
[08:39] <slomo>               Treat all files as text.
[08:44] <Kyral> slomo!
[08:45] <slomo> Kyral!
[08:45] <slomo> ;)
[08:45] <Kyral> ty for the vote :D
[08:45] <slomo> np :)
[09:00] <rave_> xwb
[09:01] <rave_> *wb
[09:04] <Kyral> ty
[09:05] <bojan> hi!
[09:07] <rave_> hi here as well bojan :)
[09:12] <raphink> SloMo could you review some packages of mine?
[09:14] <slomo> sure... give me the url to the most important one :)
[09:16] <raphink> hmmm
[09:16] <raphink> well there are 10 of them, to your choice ;)
[09:16] <raphink> some have already been reviewed by Riddell
[09:17] <raphink> even advocated
[09:17] <raphink> my packages are signed by raphink@raphink.net
[09:17] <raphink> ;)
[09:17] <slomo> just give me the most important :P
[09:18] <raphink> hmm
[09:18] <raphink> I guess kalcul + libeduwidgetclock0
[09:18] <raphink> they go together
[09:19] <raphink> :)
[09:19] <slomo> kde stuff... hmm
[09:20] <slomo> i can review them but i don't know anything about kde specifics
[09:20] <raphink> hmm ok
[09:20] <raphink> well then
[09:20] <raphink> kubuntu-grub-splashimages
[09:20] <slomo> we need more kde motus ;)
[09:20] <raphink> it's kubuntu related but not kde stuff
[09:20] <raphink> SloMo that's why I here ;)
[09:21] <raphink> hopefuly if I improve my skills I can become and MOTU and meet this need ;)
[09:21] <slomo> would be nice :)
[09:23] <azeem> minghua: confirmed
[09:23] <azeem> minghua: it doesn't happen for the version in dapper, though, but that hasn't been built for i386 yet it seems
[09:24] <slomo> raphink: just let me finish one merge before... then i'll look at the splashimages package
[09:24] <raphink> ok thanks slomo
[09:26] <rave_> dholbach changed are needed on MOTUGettingIntoIt i think
[09:26] <rave_> *changes
[09:26] <rave_> would not be a need for new motu`s to join the motu mailing ?
[09:27] <azeem> transient buildd failure it seems
[09:27] <rave_> :O ow noo
[09:28] <LaserJock> azeem: xdrawchem?
[09:28] <azeem> yes
[09:28] <azeem> hrm
[09:28] <LaserJock> what's the situation in Debian?
[09:29] <azeem> I just tried in my unstable chroot, and that segfault doesn't happen there
[09:29] <azeem> it built fine on amd64 and powerpc anyway, so I guess it just needs a retry
[09:29] <xhaker> should i make the section of a package.. universe/... ?
[09:30] <LaserJock> azeem: so it's a Ubuntu thing, or is it fixed in the dapper version?
[09:30] <azeem> well, I assume it is fixed, but I don't run dapper and the i386 binary is not available yet, anyway
[09:31] <azeem> but I am sure there are more segfaults :)
[09:31] <LaserJock> pity, I like xdrawchem :(
[09:31] <azeem> oh, well I don't use it much myself
[09:32] <LaserJock> I haven't much. I do more ghemical work ;-)
[09:32] <azeem> if you use it and don't have much problems, I retract that statement and say: "let's hope there are no other segfaults"
[09:32] <LaserJock> azeem: I haven't used it in Ubuntu. I used to use it in my Gentoo days
[09:32] <azeem> ah
[09:34] <LaserJock> right now I can't install it on dapper because of libopenbabel
[09:35] <azeem> yeah, it needs a rebuild
[09:57] <minghua> azeem: you are the Debian maintainer, right?
[09:57] <azeem> co-maintainer, yes
[09:57] <azeem> though I'm doing all the work, the other guy is MIA
[10:00] <minghua> azeem: I'll rebuild it in dapper, and see if the crash is reproducible or not
[10:00] <minghua> azeem: does the current i386 version (the breezy one, actually) run on dapper?
[10:01] <azeem> I don't know, I don't run dapper
[10:01] <minghua> I'll test that first, then
[10:02] <LaserJock> I am rebuilding it in a dapper pbuilder right now
[10:02] <azeem> 1.9.8-2?
[10:02] <LaserJock> yep, dapper's
[10:02] <azeem> cool, thanks
[10:03] <rave_> hows dapper guys ?
[10:03] <minghua> azeem: if you want to know the status of this bug, subscribe to it (malone bug #5142), I won't cc: reports to you then
[10:03] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #5142: Segment fault on xdrawchem In: xdrawchem (Ubuntu), Severity: Normal, Assigned to: MOTU Science, Status: New https://launchpad.net/bugs/5142
[10:03] <LaserJock> from http://people.ubuntu.com/~lamont/buildLogs/x/xdrawchem/1.9.8-2/ it looks like libopenbable-dev was the problem
[10:03] <azeem> LaserJock: yeah, but the last ones look like buildd borkage, dunno
[10:04] <LaserJock> azeem: better yet subscribe to the ubuntu-science list at http://tauware.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-science
[10:04] <minghua> LaserJock: that's perhaps asking for too much :-)
[10:05] <azeem> LaserJock: done
[10:05] <LaserJock> minghua: well, he needs to be a MOTU and on the MOTUScience team anyway ;-)
[10:06] <xhaker> hey
[10:06] <xhaker> can someone help me?
[10:06] <LaserJock> azeem: I think it is ok now, the problem in the build log was "libopenbabel-dev(inst 1.100.2-2ubuntu1 ! >= wanted 1.100.2-3)"
[10:07] <minghua> LaserJock: sure, if he agrees, I have no objection :-)
[10:12] <sivang> xhaker: hmm, I've worked some bits with ubuntu gnome packages - what are you trying to do?
[10:13] <sivang> xhaker: is your package "gnomish" as in uses autoconf etc?
[10:15] <LaserJock> hmm, looks like libopenbabel0c2a can't be installed because of libqt3-mt
[10:16] <azeem> it should not depend on that
[10:17] <\sh> it depends on it :(
[10:17] <\sh> but libqt3-mt should be installable..
[10:17] <\sh> or someone fcked it up
[10:17] <LaserJock> it's not in my chroot
[10:17] <azeem> http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/libs/libopenbabel0c2a only shows libc6, libgcc1 and libstdc++6
[10:18] <\sh> una momenta
[10:18] <\sh> pleqase
[10:18] <\sh> updating chroot
[10:19] <\sh> libqt3-mt is installable
[10:20] <LaserJock> ok, I must have been doing something wrong. I install xdrawchem now.
[10:20] <\sh> if libopenbabel0c2a is not installable...strange..I think I was it who transitioned it
[10:20] <\sh> oh no slomo was it :)
[10:21] <LaserJock> \sh: it is, actually you need to disregard everything I have said :-)
[10:21] <crimsun> hot potato!
[10:21] <slomo> \sh: no, i never saw this package ;)
[10:21] <slomo> \sh: are you sure?
[10:21] <LaserJock> I was being stupid because I was installing xdrawchem with dpkg -i
[10:21] <\sh> SloMo: no..it was sistpoty...I always mix your names :)
[10:22] <slomo> \sh: elmo did it once too ;) he synced a package for sistpoty in my name
[10:22] <\sh> hehe
[10:22] <LaserJock> ok, everything is ok with xdrawchem. Bug fixed for dapper when libopenbabel0c2a is in.
[10:22] <\sh> sistpoty, slomo, siretart, \sh
[10:22] <\sh> to many S
[10:23] <azeem> the others should use funky special chars as well
[10:23] <\sh> well...the good thing, there will never be a |sh
[10:24] <\sh> or they fixed this long time bug :)
[10:24] <LaserJock> how often are builds that have failed retryed? Is it automatic?
[10:24] <\sh> LaserJock: 2 or 3 times..after that buildd admins has to give it back manually...at least that is what I imagine
[10:25] <minghua> LaserJock: that sounds a quick fix :-)
[10:25] <LaserJock> \sh: so does somebody need to be pinged then?
[10:25] <LaserJock> minghua: that is one of the beauties of having upstream ;-)
[10:25] <\sh> LaserJock: normally infinity or lamont are giving back the world during the week...
[10:25] <\sh> or ask them directly if you need it very badly :)
[10:26] <azeem> it has already been retried more than a dozen of times, so I guess it will again
[10:26] <azeem> even more so as the amd64, powerpc and ia64 .debs are there
[10:26] <LaserJock> I thought the might have given up after some time
[10:27] <LaserJock> *they
[10:28] <azeem> well, let's assume that lamont reads the logs and sees the spurious failure and gives it back
[10:28] <LaserJock> azeem: what does "gives it back" mean exactly?
[10:29] <azeem> tell wanna-build/buildd to try it again at the next opportunity
[10:29] <LaserJock> ah, ok
[10:29] <LaserJock> so should I change the bug report to PendingUpload with a comment that it is fixed in dapper?
[10:30] <azeem> I don't know what the procedure is for a working source, but missing binary .debs
[10:31] <LaserJock> well if it had working .debs I would mark it Fixed I think, so PendingUpload would indicate that the fix is coming soon ;-)
[10:32] <azeem> well, if you upload a new package with a changelog entry saying this-or-that bug got fixed, does the bug get fixed/closed as soon as the source package enters the archive, or just when all the builds are available?
[10:32] <azeem> I would assume the former, but I do not know
[10:32] <crimsun> azeem: actually they're not linked up at all yet
[10:33] <xhaker> Checksum doesn't match for /home/xhaker/gtkwifi-build/gtkwifi_1.09-1.dsc
[10:33] <xhaker> what does this mean?
[10:33] <crimsun> I do miss that from BTS
[10:33] <azeem> oh
[10:33] <xhaker> it was uploaded or dismissed?
[10:38] <xhaker> siretart:
[10:39] <xhaker> siretart: need help with revu
[10:40] <rave_> there is the man
[10:42] <xhaker> ogra..do you know anything about uploading to revu? LOL
[10:42] <xhaker> i've uploaded, it returned a checksum error.. now i can't upload again :s
[10:43] <rave_> Johnny cash is on my mp3 player :)
[10:43] <rave_> jeeej
[10:44] <raphink> can you paste the output to a pastebin xhaker ?
[10:44] <xhaker> any anonymous pastebin you know?
[10:44] <xhaker> url
[10:44] <raphink> http://pastebin.com
[10:44] <raphink> :p
[10:45] <raphink> unless you prefer ubuntu.pastebin.com or kubuntu.pastebin.com
[10:45] <raphink> or ubuntu.pastebin.nl ;)
[10:45] <raphink> or whatever will do
[10:45] <rave_> guys
[10:45] <markuman> or http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/
[10:45] <rave_> i dont a bug in gnome
[10:46] <rave_> + xchat
[10:46] <raphink> what does that sentences mean rave_ ?
[10:46] <xhaker> http://pastebin.com/446622
[10:46] <xhaker> raphink: http://pastebin.com/446622
[10:46] <xhaker> this is what i get now
[10:46] <xhaker> i found my way pretty quickly to dcut
[10:46] <xhaker> and issued a simulation
[10:47] <rave_> raphink that there is a bug in gnome 2.12.1 + xchat 2.4.4
[10:47] <Ubugtu> Error: Error getting Gnome Bugzilla bug #2: NotFound
[10:47] <\sh> xhaker: that your md5sums of diff.gz or .orig.tar.gz is not correct
[10:47] <raphink> bug #1
[10:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #1: Microsoft has a majority market share In: Ubuntu, Severity: Critical, Assigned to: Mark Shuttleworth, Status: Accepted https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[10:47] <raphink> bug 1
[10:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug #1: Microsoft has a majority market share In: Ubuntu, Severity: Critical, Assigned to: Mark Shuttleworth, Status: Accepted https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[10:47] <raphink> :D
[10:47] <xhaker> raphink: http://pastebin.com/446624
[10:48] <xhaker> \sh:
[10:48] <Kyral> okay I <3 Piuparts
[10:48] <xhaker> should i issue this without the -s (simulation) thing? http://pastebin.com/446624
[10:48] <raphink> hmm
[10:49] <raphink> I usually only run dput on the *_source.changes
[10:49] <\sh> xhaker: hum?
[10:49] <Kyral> which is what you are supposed to do
[10:49] <\sh> xhaker: what are you uploading there?
[10:49] <raphink> yeah
[10:49] <\sh> .command?
[10:50] <raphink> xhaker: you should just run `dput gtkwifi_1.09-1_source.changes'
[10:51] <raphink> nothing more complicate than this
[10:51] <xhaker> raphink:
[10:51] <xhaker> i did that
[10:51] <raphink> xhaker@dpr:~/gtkwifi-build$ dput *.changes -f
[10:51] <xhaker> but my .dsc had bad checksums
[10:51] <raphink> that's not exactly the same
[10:51] <raphink> well then run a `debuild -S -sa' again
[10:52] <raphink> if the .dsc had a bad sum, it will be regenerated again and it should be fine
[10:52] <xhaker> thats what i'm trying to say.. I run it again.. but revu wont' let me upload..
[10:52] <Kyral> dput -f
[10:52] <xhaker> and the checksums are alright now
[10:52] <xhaker> Kyral: tried that already
[10:52] <Kyral> oh
[10:53] <xhaker> so i found dcut
[10:53] <xhaker> i guess i'm gonna try it
[10:53] <raphink> SloMo did you have the time to look at the splashimages ?
[10:53] <slomo> raphink: later
[10:53] <raphink> ok sure
[10:54] <\sh> xhaker: rebuild it :)
[10:54] <Kyral> lol slomo
[10:54] <Kyral> I tested cowbell in piuparts
[10:54] <Kyral> it failed the tests :P
[10:54] <slomo> what tests?
[10:54] <raphink> it's just a bit frustrating because I have about 10 packages waiting in REVU and I think some are ready and just need one more advocating and I see them waiting them for days ;)
[10:54] <slomo> raphink: don't worry, i'll review it later :)
[10:54] <raphink> ok
[10:54] <Kyral> Install test, upgrade test, purge test
[10:55] <Kyral> it failed the purge test
[10:55] <slomo> Kyral: why?
[10:56] <Kyral> something about binfmts
[10:56] <slomo> ok, not a cowbell problem the probably ;) i'll test it later myself
[10:58] <xhaker> \sh:
[10:58] <\sh> xhaker: ?
[10:58] <xhaker> debuild -S -sa is supposed to generate a tar.gz ?
[10:58] <\sh> xhaker: is to generate a source upload yes..
[10:58] <\sh> xhaker: tar.gz is only generated for native packages
[10:58] <\sh> xhaker: which we do not want in the first place
[10:58] <xhaker> so.. mine is a tar.gz
[10:59] <xhaker> is that fine?
[10:59] <\sh> xhaker: native package?
[10:59] <Kyral> run it through lintian
[10:59] <xhaker> nvm.. noticed it has the debian/ dir inside and serves it's purpose
[10:59] <xhaker> :P
[10:59] <xhaker> it's python
[10:59] <xhaker> ;)
[10:59] <Kyral> then make it Build-Depends-Indep
[11:00] <xhaker> Kyral: me?
[11:00] <Kyral> and move everything in rules from binary-arch to binary-indep
[11:00] <Kyral> I think thats right
[11:00] <Kyral> for a Python package?
[11:01] <azeem> there a python packages with C modules
[11:01] <Kyral> good point
[11:01] <Kyral> I almost forgot about the Boost Libs
[11:01] <xhaker> Kyral: i did like i saw on wifi-radar package
[11:01] <xhaker> so :P
[11:01] <Kyral> what is Wifi-Radar written in?
[11:02] <xhaker> ivoks did it in binary-arch
[11:02] <xhaker> python
[11:02] <Kyral> ah
[11:02] <slomo> siretart: mplayer is finished... builds and works fine on x86, amd64 and ppc... it's on revu, please test it :) the only thing needed now is forcing usuage of all optimizations on x86 (currently it compiles in only what the build machine can do, broken configure :( )
[11:02] <Kyral> The way I understand it is that if its interpreted (like Java, Perl, Python) then its Indep
[11:03] <slomo> Kyral: only when it contains only "interpreted" stuff
[11:03] <Kyral> ah
[11:04] <slomo> why tuesday?
[11:04] <Kyral> CC Meeting
[11:04] <slomo> oh... hmm
[11:05] <Kyral> oh and it passed all Piuparts tests :P
[11:08] <Kyral> CYA!
[11:08] <rave_> have a nice meal
[11:08] <Kyral> Its campus food...
[11:08] <Kyral> what do you think ;P
[11:08] <rave_> eww
[11:09] <Kyral> Actually first I'm gonna checkout my latest bootchart
[11:10] <Kyral> hmm, intersting
[11:10] <Kyral> udev cut 3 seconds off my time
[11:10] <Kyral> Oh are we still uploading Bootcharts?
[11:11] <slomo> rajasun: in control... remove the universe/ from section
[11:12] <slomo> raphink: ^--- see above ;)
[11:12] <raphink> hehe
[11:12] <raphink> well I saw that on other packages
[11:12] <raphink> ;)
[11:13] <raphink> so it's just admin
[11:13] <slomo> raphink: which packages? it's moved to universe per default ;) only for multiverse elmo wants multiverse/ as a prefix for the first upload
[11:13] <slomo> yes
[11:13] <raphink> hmm ok
[11:14] <raphink> ok uploading again
[11:15] <slomo> in description... the , seems to be unnecessary
[11:16] <raphink> hmm ok
[11:16] <slomo> otherwise it is fine :) but i can't test it here, grub doesn't work on ppc ;)
[11:16] <raphink> oh you're on ppcc
[11:16] <raphink> ppc
[11:16] <raphink> well some people tested it and it worked fine
[11:16] <raphink> I did test it too of course ;)
[11:17] <raphink> I had to modify the postinst script once
[11:17] <raphink> because the splashimage line has to be in the beginning of the menu.lst file
[11:17] <raphink> or rather before the OS entries
[11:17] <raphink> I guess you can't advocate if you can't test though :(
[11:19] <slomo> well, the packaging is ok, the scripts too... and it's fairly small... so yes, you'll get my vote :)
[11:19] <slomo> but the next one better test it ;)
[11:20] <raphink> ok
[11:20] <raphink> just wait a minute or two
[11:20] <kjcole> Any DocTeam members here?  Fridge says DocTeam Meeting NOW (as in 20 min ago).
[11:20] <raphink> I uploaded again, without the `,' in description
[11:20] <raphink> ;)
[11:21] <raphink> slomo : ok it's uploaded now so you can advocate if you feel like it ;)
[11:22] <slomo> done
[11:23] <raphink> thanks :)
[11:27] <rave_> did you guys got my MOTU mailing already ???
[11:27] <rave_> <-- Johnny Mast
[11:29] <rave_> i did not yet
[11:31] <slomo> i got it
[11:34] <rave_> ok thanks
[11:35] <xhaker> i need siretart
[11:35] <rave_> ow darn, i typo`ed a few times lol
[12:02] <rave_> JanC welcome back