[12:24] <jaramillo> is there a way to get kde 3.5 right now on kubuntu ?
[12:25] <Judax> yes
[12:25] <jaramillo> how ;o ?
[12:25] <jaramillo> :)
[12:26] <Judax> go to kubuntu.org, there is a blurb with the package location to put in sources.list and you will be set
[12:26] <michael> hello everyone! I'm new in kubuntu, after 8 months of Ubuntu... what kind of thing is the 'journal' feature in kontact??
[12:26] <jaramillo> k
[12:27] <Judax> kind of like a note-taking facility
[12:27] <Judax> but a little more, as you can tag people to it, etc.
[12:28] <Judax> jaramillo: you find it?
[12:28] <michael> hmm... but there's also a 'notes' feature :)
[12:28] <Judax> jaramillo: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[12:29] <Judax> michael: yeah, but that notes is just the little sticky note thing
[12:29] <michael> okay,thanks
[12:29] <Judax> michael: journal is more related to meetings, events, calls etc
[12:30] <Judax> michael: have fun
[12:30] <jaramillo> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[12:30] <Judax> jaramillo: that should do it
[12:30] <jaramillo> yah
[12:30] <jaramillo> thx dude ;-)
[12:30] <Judax> jaramillo: you know where to put that?
[12:30] <jaramillo> sources.list
[12:30] <Judax> jaramillo: cool, have fun, 3.5 is nice I like it alot
[12:31] <jaramillo> :D
[12:36] <troth> anyone here ever tried klik?
[12:38] <jaramillo> Judax: 
[12:38] <Judax> jaramillo: yes
[12:38] <jaramillo> dude, im getting this error: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://kubuntu.org breezy/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/kubuntu.org_packages_kde35_dists_breezy_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)
[12:38] <jaramillo> i just pasted the line in sources.list ;o
[12:38] <jaramillo> (that happens when i open synaptic)
[12:38] <jaramillo> ;-)
[12:39] <kkathman> jaramillo: why not wait a few days till the packages become available in the main repos?
[12:39] <zorba64> jaramillo: apt-get update first
[12:39] <Judax> do apt-get update
[12:39] <jaramillo> k
[12:39] <Judax> opps, zorba64 got it
[12:40] <kkathman> KDE 3.5 isnt quite prime time yet...will be soon though :)
[12:40] <Judax> jaramillo: you get riddell's gpg key?
[12:40] <jaramillo> yah
[12:40] <kkathman> hey Delvien :)
[12:40] <Delvien> I love it when i get a call saying my cable is going to be shut off
[12:40] <Delvien> hey
[12:40] <kkathman> lol
[12:41] <djk_> Delvien: you get a call?
[12:41] <jaramillo> should i upgrade through synaptic or just old-fashion console `apt-get upgrade`
[12:41] <Delvien> aye
[12:41] <Judax> working ok for me so far, superkaramba is spitting trouble when trying to use the "new stuff" thing
[12:41] <kkathman> hey there djk_ :)
[12:41] <Delvien> couldntpay the bill, been out of work for 2 months
[12:41] <nalioth> jaramillo: use "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" from a terminal
[12:41] <djk_> shit, i just get a red-blinking modem ..
[12:41] <zorba64> jaramillo: whatever suits you - either will work fine
[12:41] <jaramillo> k
[12:41] <djk_> kkathman: yo there :)
[12:41] <kkathman> ahh...another pioneer going the 3.5 route...lol
[12:42] <jaramillo> k, upgrading. Thx guys ;D
[12:42] <kkathman> rofl...good luck :)
[12:42] <Delvien> what are the improvments of 3.5?
[12:42] <kkathman> Delvien: not really that much...its a minor release
[12:42] <Delvien> just graphical?
[12:43] <kkathman> some of the "enhancements" are actually nuisances
[12:43] <Judax> which ones?
[12:43] <kkathman> graphical..not really much at all
[12:43] <kkathman> its a transitional release to prepare for 4
[12:43] <Judax> Delvien: they have a visual brief at kde.org
[12:44] <kkathman> and the icons
[12:44] <kkathman> lol
[12:44] <Judax> hehe, yeah I have read some about the automount problems so far
[12:44] <kkathman> yep
[12:45] <kkathman> about 50% install it and then go back to 3.4.3 :)
[12:45] <Judax> I have not stuck in a USB pen drive or CD/DVD yet to try it out
[12:45] <kkathman> Judax: well if you like 3-4 screens popping up all at once automatically then you'll love it
[12:46] <Judax> yeah, that is a blast
[12:46] <kkathman> or watching some of the main k-apps die or crash :)
[12:46] <Judax> I find the new pager and kicker stuff kind of useful, for now
[12:46] <troth> i love kde3.5, fixed alot of graphical bugs for my system
[12:46] <kkathman> I dont use the kicker anyway
[12:46] <Judax> ah
[12:47] <Delvien> how is Dapper?
[12:47] <kkathman> Delvien: very rough right now
[12:47] <Delvien> so does 3.5 have transparencies or whatever?
[12:48] <kkathman> Delvien: transparency for what?
[12:49] <kkathman> most of the k-apps were held back Delvien so they dont take advantage of the 3.5 framework yet
[12:49] <Delvien> idk
[12:49] <Delvien> gotcha
[12:49] <kkathman> a few apps did retool tho...quanta did for instance
[12:50] <kkathman> but like kontact, kopete...some of the staples didnt
[12:50] <kkathman> of coure those arent k-core
[12:50] <Delvien> finally got my Vmware working with networking, now i gotta crack windows XP to be activated EVEN THOUGH I OWN THE COPY !
[12:51] <kkathman> Delvien: if you know someone that works at a computer repair (or sells computers) they can give you a number to get through quickly
[12:52] <kkathman> my son's computer had to just all of a sudden be reactivated for some reason
[12:52] <Delvien> kkathman my father is an IT guy, idk if he knows 
[12:52] <kkathman> he did it and it was fine
[12:52] <kkathman> stupid M$
[12:52] <Delvien> kkathman i went to activate it and the microsuck phone-bot said it could not be activated
[12:53] <kkathman> yah idiots
[12:53] <kkathman> that way they can CHARGE you to activate
[12:53] <kkathman> its a nice gambit
[12:53] <Judax> Delvien: I have had that happen, if the hash changes like 3 times then they make you call
[12:53] <Delvien> i say they can screw themselves
[12:54] <kkathman> but the hash shouldnt change unless your config does
[12:54] <Judax> but they gave me no trouble on the phone just gave me a code, but it was like a freakin 128 char code, it was crazy
[12:54] <Delvien> judax no wonder people DL and crack it :P
[12:54] <Delvien> no point in paying for something so shitty
[12:54] <Judax> yeah
[12:55] <kkathman> lol
[12:55] <Judax> did any hardware change?
[12:56] <kkathman> typically you can get away withi minor things...like adding drives or NIC cards, etc
[12:56] <Judax> yeah
[12:57] <Judax> but there is some threshold you eventually hit and have to call the freaks
[12:57] <kkathman> yah...I just call my hardware guy and he goes and gets me a new key
[12:58] <djk_> anyone want a winkey, real cheap :p
[12:58] <Judax> he prob has corporate licenses and those install disks dont activate?
[12:58] <djk_> corp disks just install and never do anything afterwards iirc.
[12:59] <kkathman> Judax: nah...he calls this number...and puches a few numbers...it spouts a key back...he hangs up and gives me the key
[12:59] <Judax> thats nice
[12:59] <Delvien> now its not asking to activate, what the hell
[12:59] <Delvien> i hate it
[01:00] <kkathman> yah he also meets or beats any internet price on any hardware component too
[01:00] <Delvien> attack of the show is on ! yay
[01:01] <Delvien> oh , there its now asking for me to activate
[01:01] <kkathman> lol
[01:01] <kkathman> well ya got 30 days at least
[01:02] <Judax> you see how now they are only letting you download certain software if you have an 'authentic' copy?
[01:02] <Judax> and you have to let them run a damn activex script to verify you are authentic
[01:03] <kkathman> hi seth_k|lappy :)
[01:03] <seth_k|lappy> hi kkathman :) how are you tonight
[01:03] <djk_> yea or just use ff or wine or whatever to ignore that Judax 
[01:04] <kkathman> fine seth_k|lappy and you?
[01:04] <seth_k|lappy> much better now that the new fglrx drivers are in dapper and I can run at 1400x1050 again kkathman :P
[01:04] <Judax> djk_: you can get the stuff dl'd if you use wine or ff?
[01:05] <djk_> Judax: yea, although they might have fixed that now.. was pretty much on every site a few months ago when they started that authentication crap
[01:05] <kkathman> wow thats tiny resolution :)
[01:05] <kkathman> hehe
[01:06] <kkathman> I run at 1280 x 1024 and thought that was small :)
[01:06] <chaoticgeek> hello all
[01:06] <seth_k|lappy> kkathman, my other machine runs at 1680x1050 :P
[01:06] <Judax> djk_: ah, ok, thx
[01:06] <kkathman> hey chaoticgeek :)
[01:06] <seth_k|lappy> hi chaoticgeek 
[01:06] <seth_k|lappy> something we can help you with chaoticgeek?
[01:07] <chaoticgeek> no
[01:07] <Delvien> i have succesfully activated my copy of windows....
[01:07] <kkathman> excellent!
[01:07] <Delvien> all i had to do is enter my Key, which it didnt ask me for the first 3 times i tried it
[01:07] <djk_> Judax: just search a little bit for that, you'll find plenty of "tutorials" and programs for that
[01:07] <Judax> Delvien: woot
[01:08] <Judax> djk_: ok, thx
[01:08] <Delvien> now if only i could put Linux to sleep and run vmware fully, to get rid of windows drive altogether :)
[01:08] <Delvien> the onlything that would touch my HDD from microsoft is vmware virtual drive with winxp on it
[01:09] <djk_> did win95 support scsi?
[01:09] <Delvien> with alot of work
[01:09] <Delvien> ALOT of work
[01:09] <Delvien> Like you might as well start writing software to make a new OS 
[01:10] <djk_> an extra fat32 partition would have been just as swell.
[01:10] <djk_> and you wouldn't have the drawbacks of vmware...
[01:10] <djk_> of course you'd still have win :p
[01:11] <Delvien> well i already have windows installed , but i dont want it 
[01:11] <Delvien> was doing some cracking and got a virus :( its laggy, but still plays games well ( i think better than when it was a fresh install)
[01:11] <Delvien> virus is gone , but damage is still there
[01:12] <djk_> don't blame it on the virus 
[01:12] <joshs> \join #perl
[01:12] <joshs> oops
[01:12] <Delvien> well its not malware
[01:13] <djk_> but seriously, does anyone know if win95 supported scsi?
[01:14] <Judax> djk_: google says yes
[01:15] <Judax> most common SCSI adapter cards will be identified just fine
[01:15] <Judax> by hardware setup
[01:15] <Judax> from Windows 95 SCSI FAQ
[01:15] <Delvien> djk_ i remember my parents having a 2gb scsi drive under windows 95.
[01:16] <djk_> Judax: thanks, might buy an old p2-450 with 8gb scsi hdd from my uni to play old, old games.
[01:17] <Judax> djk_: cool, games are the only reason I keep a copy of xp around
[01:17] <Delvien> gotta love vmware
[01:18] <djk_> Judax: the games i want to play don't run in xp or 2k or 98.. they need either real dos or 95.
[01:18] <kkathman> never tried vmware
[01:18] <kkathman> isnt that commericial?
[01:18] <Judax> I see
[01:19] <djk_> had vmware with win98, took 2 hours to install, another hour for 2 games, neither worked, tossed it away
[01:19] <djk_> kkathman: yes
[01:19] <kkathman> thought so....evil!
[01:19] <djk_> kkathman: although you can often find an older version of vmware in pc-magazines for free
[01:19] <djk_> kkathman: you can use qemu, an OSS vmware clone..
[01:19] <kkathman> not sure I have any reason, unless it would let me adequately run Photoshop
[01:20] <kkathman> hey there Knowerrors :)
[01:20] <Judax> you guys tried cedega (sp?)?
[01:20] <Knowerrors> Can anybody tell me how to send a fax using kde?
[01:20] <Knowerrors> yo
[01:20] <Knowerrors> kkathman: fixed my gtk qt engine problem :)
[01:20] <djk_> Judax: i haven't but it's supposedly pretty good.
[01:20] <kkathman> ahhh good deal Knowerrors :)
[01:21] <Knowerrors> got the modem line :) just need fax app
[01:21] <Judax> djk_: I worry about performance hit though
[01:21] <kkathman> well Im out to dinner for a while..cyall later :)
[01:21] <Judax> bye
[01:21] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, kdeprintfax
[01:21] <Knowerrors> will that send any file?
[01:22] <djk_> Judax: i guess best would be to try it out..
[01:23] <Judax> djk_: yeah, just not motivated to do that lately
[01:24] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, yep
[01:24] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, it just asks for an input file (picture, document, anything it can read)
[01:26] <Delvien> anyone know any free file hosting?
[01:28] <seth_k|lappy> permanent or temporary?
[01:28] <seth_k|lappy> putfile.com will let you do 25MB files
[01:28] <djk_> Delvien: rapidshare.de
[01:29] <djk_> rapidshare has 12gb/s :) and 100mb/file
[01:32] <Knowerrors> thx seth_k|lappy 
[01:32] <robotgeek> seth_k|lappy: hey
[01:33] <seth_k|lappy> hi robotgeek 
[01:34] <Knowerrors> how do you crop/trim in Krita?
[01:34] <seth_k|lappy> there's a button about 3/4 the way on the right of the top bar
[01:35] <seth_k|lappy> so do a normal marquee select then click that button
[01:40] <djk_> anyone know of an azureus.deb for breezy?
[01:40] <Delvien> Shadow the Hedgehog = WORST idea for a sonic game EVER.. he holds a gun lol.. 
[01:41] <bornxbackwards> is the kubuntu package really different from ubuntu?
[01:41] <djk_> bornxbackwards: it has kde, ubuntu has gnome
[01:41] <Knowerrors> found it "tool/crop" thx
[01:42] <bornxbackwards> djk_, so if I install kde on ubuntu i'll have the exact same thing?
[01:43] <djk_> bornxbackwards: you'll install kubuntu-desktop, but yes
[01:43] <bornxbackwards> okay, thanks
[01:44] <djk_> sure
[01:45] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: sonic the hitman.
[01:45] <Delvien> LeeJunFan the only good sonic is 1 and 2
[01:46] <LeeJunFan> Delvien: yeah, the good ole days.
[01:47] <Knowerrors> Is there any way to extract a pdf in kde? (I think Gimp does this, but Krita won't) and I don't have Gimp installed
[01:53] <oliveira> ae
[01:56] <_klaatu> I need help with KDE and Evolution.  Anyone feeling magnanimous?
[01:59] <_klaatu> As in, the program doesn't start, or connect to my OWA server.
[01:59] <BigKahuna> What is the preferred tv application for KDE? TvTime is not compatible with my tuner card so Im looking for an alternative
[02:00] <neoncode> Hey I have a tv tuner card. But I have no idea if linux has detected it... is their any way to tell?
[02:03] <BigKahuna> neoncode, System -> Info Centre
[02:04] <BigKahuna> neoncode, Select PCI (presuming its a PCI tuner card) you should be able to see if Kubuntu has recognised your card.
[02:07] <neoncode> BigKahuna: Thanks, I don't actualy know what vendor it is or any specs about it but I see a "video Broadcast Decoder" I think that's a safe bet
[02:08] <neoncode> what programs can I use to accsess it?
[02:12] <lwizardl> hi
[02:13] <Knowerrors> seth_k|lappy: I get this when I try to use kdeprintfax "/bin/sh: /usr/bin/fax: No such file or directory"
[02:13] <Knowerrors> whats up here, will my modem not fax?
[02:14] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, you'll need the fax tools installed
[02:14] <lwizardl> can someone hwlp me with a guide for installing nvidia drivers in kubuntu
[02:14] <Knowerrors> seth_k|lappy: which package is that?
[02:14] <seth_k|lappy> let me find it
[02:17] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, looks like package "efax" in universe
[02:17] <_ubuntu> Does anyone know why my ethernet 1.5mb connection is INCREADIBLY slow in kubuntu linux? I'm using a linksys router and I got my connection from a satellite, but my windows partition is just fine
[02:17] <seth_k|lappy> are you using konqueror or firefox?
[02:18] <_ubuntu> konqi
[02:18] <seth_k|lappy> make sure your DNS servers are set correctly in SystemSettings > Network Settings > Domain Name System (tab)
[02:18] <_ubuntu> I also have a gentoo partition and I use firefox there. I have the same problem with gentoo.
[02:18] <seth_k|lappy> you'll want to set them to your ISP's DNS, not the router's DNS
[02:18] <_ubuntu> hmm, ok let me look
[02:18] <seth_k|lappy> a lot of linuxes will set your router as the dns server
[02:19] <seth_k|lappy> and that's slow
[02:19] <_ubuntu> how do I find out my ISP's DNS?
[02:19] <seth_k|lappy> the easiest way is to check your router's status page
[02:19] <_ubuntu> ok let me see..
[02:19] <seth_k|lappy> it should tell you the IP of the router and the nameservers it's using from your ISP
[02:21] <_ubuntu> it says   12.189.32.61 is the DNS 1
[02:21] <_ubuntu> which is exactly what's in Network Settings
[02:21] <seth_k|lappy> ok, so that's not the issue then
[02:22] <_ubuntu> hmm. strange that it only happens in linux
[02:22] <seth_k|lappy> next try is disabling ipv6
[02:22] <seth_k|lappy> one sec and I'll find you a walkthrough
[02:23] <seth_k|lappy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4 @ _ubuntu 
[02:23] <_ubuntu> my default gateway should be the ip adress of my linksys router, correct?
[02:24] <seth_k|lappy> correct sir
[02:25] <_ubuntu> seth_k|lappy: Well, lets see. I'm running off of the kubuntu livecd. is there anyway to not have to restart?
[02:25] <lwizardl> what is binutils?
[02:25] <Knowerrors> seth_k|lappy: well installing efax got me farther, now I get: 
[02:25] <seth_k|lappy> _ubuntu, hmm... I don't think so :(
[02:25] <Knowerrors> /etc/efax.rc: line 63: paperconf: command not found
[02:25] <seth_k|lappy> _ubuntu, but there are apparently lots of reports of this working
[02:25] <Knowerrors> Error: PAGE="" not valid. can't read file /home/flow/Documents/JoshDocs/jobapplication1.ps.001
[02:25] <manu> hi
[02:26] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, it's trying to convert your postscript file using paperconf but can't find it
[02:26] <_ubuntu> seth_k|lappy: well, i'll try it in gentoo and see what happens.
[02:26] <seth_k|lappy> just install paperconf
[02:26] <seth_k|lappy> _ubuntu, ok. Make sure in Firefox that you also go to about:config
[02:26] <seth_k|lappy> and set disableipv6 to TRUE
[02:26] <manu> I have just install kubuntu, and when i try to do package manager, and that's always say password wrong ... but i give it the good password
[02:26] <_ubuntu> right
[02:26] <manu> someone have a idea ?
[02:27] <seth_k|lappy> manu, it wants your user password... that's the one you're giving it?
[02:27] <Knowerrors> seth_k|lappy: can't find that package, another name perhaps? :)
[02:27] <_ubuntu> You know, I've become sick of having to compile everything from scratch in gentoo. I'd really like to switch to a debian-based distro like kubuntu but i'm afraid that packages won't be up to date. gentoo is great with having new packages out in portage FAST.
[02:27] <Knowerrors> kubuntu is most up to date Debian around
[02:27] <manu> seth_k|lappy: I try with user password and nothing better
[02:28] <Ruso25> hmm, I can't find eclipse or nethack in Adept, where can I find more kubuntu software repositories? is it a good idea to use them?
[02:28] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, libpaper-utils
[02:28] <Knowerrors> _ubuntu: if you look at kde.org, kubuntu is one of like 3 distros that first released kde 3.5
[02:28] <_ubuntu> I've noticed with my old kubuntu install (pre- 5.10) packages were fairly out of date...
[02:28] <_ubuntu> Ofcourse KDE is updated
[02:28] <seth_k|lappy> _ubuntu, then run devel version :P that's what I do
[02:28] <manu> seth_k|lappy: i try with root password and user password and nothing better
[02:28] <_ubuntu> I'm talking about other random lesser known packages in the repository
[02:28] <seth_k|lappy> Ruso25, you just need to enable universe
[02:29] <seth_k|lappy> Ruso25, both those apps are in universe
[02:29] <_ubuntu> seth_k|lappy: run devel version? devel apt sources?
[02:30] <Knowerrors> _ubuntu: if you want lesser known stuff, just add multiverse/universe, and maybe add the plf ubuntu repos, and backports
[02:30] <seth_k|lappy> _ubuntu, the devel version is called "dapper" and will be released in april 06. It has pretty much the bleeding edge versions of everything
[02:30] <seth_k|lappy> _ubuntu, for stability, when a version of Ubuntu is released it only receives security updates from that point forward. Then development continues in the next version only.
[02:31] <Knowerrors> seth_k|lappy: will test fax again, got to log offline to use modem, brb
[02:31] <manu> what's for a fucking thing, is someone use package manager, and it's ok, I download the latest one and it doesn't go right
[02:31] <Ruso25> seth_k|lappy: thanks!
[02:31] <manu> nobody to help me ?
[02:31] <robotgeek> whoa...the crash handler crashed in dapper, kubuntu. lol
[02:32] <seth_k|lappy> Ruso25, cheers
[02:32] <robotgeek> it's just opening new windows. lol
[02:32] <seth_k|lappy> manu, language please.
[02:32] <seth_k|lappy> manu, are you clicking on the menu item in the menu?
[02:32] <seth_k|lappy> or running from CLI
[02:32] <_ubuntu> seth_k|lappy: ok, lets take a random file i remember to be WAY out of date. wesnoth. can you tell me what version of wesnoth your apt repositories has?
[02:32] <seth_k|lappy> sure, one sec
[02:32] <seth_k|lappy> Version: 1.0.1-1ubuntu2
[02:33] <seth_k|lappy> in Dapper
[02:33] <manu> seth_k|lappy: sorry for language
[02:33] <seth_k|lappy> np manu
[02:33] <manu> seth_k|lappy: yes i choose it inside the menu
[02:33] <lwizardl> can someone help me with nvidia drivers
[02:33] <_ubuntu> lwizardl: what's up?
[02:33] <seth_k|lappy> manu, you are choosing Adept? Or Kynaptic
[02:33] <manu> I choose nothing by default I have adept
[02:34] <seth_k|lappy> ok
[02:34] <_ubuntu> seth_k|lappy: that's MUCH better. version 1.0.2 came out recently, and with wesnoth you need the newest version to play on the server, but that's great! I have renewed faith.
[02:36] <manu> seth_k|lappy: i have a problem with su even with kynaptic
[02:36] <_ubuntu> do you think I could just use straight-up dapper drake? 
[02:36] <seth_k|lappy> _ubuntu, I use it on two computers
[02:37] <_ubuntu> is it stable?
[02:37] <_ubuntu> I mean really stable. I've gotten sick of fixing things in gentoo... and waiting for long compiles.
[02:37] <lwizardl> _ubuntu: i can not get nvidia drivers to work
[02:37] <seth_k|lappy> hmm, define stable :P It's obv. the development version so some things break. _ubuntu, a better choice for you might be to wait until backports comes online
[02:37] <seth_k|lappy> lwizardl, what have you done to try to get them to work?
[02:37] <_ubuntu> lwizardl: in dapper? 
[02:38] <seth_k|lappy> lwizardl, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:38] <seth_k|lappy> boom, done
[02:38] <_ubuntu> now that sounds easy!
[02:38] <seth_k|lappy> works in dapper too; /me is using nvidia drivers on one computer and fglrx drivers on another, both in Dapper
[02:38] <_ubuntu> seth_k|lappy: you seem to be knowledgable. are you a dev?
[02:38] <seth_k|lappy> _ubuntu, I package backports and do a bit of other random packaging
[02:38] <manu> seth_k|lappy: you have no idea about my problem with kynaptic and adept ?
[02:39] <seth_k|lappy> manu, no
[02:39] <lwizardl> ok how do i restart x
[02:39] <seth_k|lappy> vblanton, yay! you have a name
[02:39] <vblanton> :)
[02:39] <seth_k|lappy> lwizardl, close your running applications, then CTRL + ALT + Backspace
[02:39] <vblanton> actually, it might be more reasonable to do my first name like you did
[02:39] <manu> seth_k|lappy: ok, so i can delete kubuntu
[02:39] <manu> thanks
[02:40] <vlad_b> seth_k|lappy: you could have told wizard to just log out and log back in..
[02:40] <vlad_b> seth_k|lappy: it effectively restarts X
[02:41] <seth_k|lappy> psh, not as fast :P
[02:41] <vlad_b> :)
[02:41] <seth_k|lappy> the linux version of the 3-finger-salute
[02:41] <lwizardl> ok what was that command again to install nvidia
[02:41] <seth_k|lappy> lwizardl, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[02:41] <lwizardl> going to make a note on it
[02:41] <vlad_b> no, but it's usability-centric because it makes sense
[02:41] <lwizardl> it worked
[02:41] <seth_k|lappy> good :)
[02:41] <vlad_b> congrats wizard
[02:42] <vlad_b> by the way, wizard, you can log out and log back in and X will restart in between. Ctrl + Alt + Backspace was the fast way, but logging in and out can be done as well.
[02:42] <vlad_b> im outa here. thanks for you help seth
[02:42] <seth_k|lappy> cheers vlad, hope to see you around
[02:42] <lwizardl> thanx vlad_b 
[02:43] <vlad_b> Oh, last Q. Is there a way I can shrink my gentoo rieserfs partition to make space for a kubuntu partition and keep my /home partition for both distro's?
[02:44] <vlad_b> does the kubuntu/ubuntu partitioner during the install process have this ability?
[02:45] <vlad_b> i'll let you ponder on that one...
[02:45] <vlad_b> until next time
[02:45] <Hobbsee_away> vlad_b: with manual partitioning, yes
[02:46] <teprrr> hello, can anyone help me with this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=539669#post539669 ?
[02:47] <Knowerrors> seth_k|lappy: It sent, but 5 pages turned into 110 pages! any ideas why?
[02:47] <Hobbsee> !gpgerr
[02:47] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, gpgerr is a GPG-related error that sometimes occur when accessing the Ubuntu archives; it can usually be solved by typing "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*Release*" (without the quotes!) in a terminal
[02:47] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, LOL! no idea!
[02:47] <Hobbsee> oh, hang on..
[02:48] <teprrr> Hobbsee, didn't help
[02:48] <Knowerrors> seth_k|lappy: I stopped it after 8 pages, unfortunately the fax Im sending to closed at 5
[02:48] <Hobbsee> teprrr: i realised that when i finished reading your post lol
[02:48] <teprrr> hehe
[02:49] <Hobbsee> i have no clue, sorry
[02:49] <teprrr> okay :P
[02:49] <Knowerrors> seth_k|lappy: can a rich text file have a jpg inserted in it?  Maybe that messed it up
[02:50] <seth_k|lappy> Knowerrors, again, I've never really used it, so i can't say :(
[02:50] <seth_k|lappy> (it = faxing)
[02:50] <Knowerrors> ok, didn't know, from how you were giving hints though ya had :)
[02:54] <drumline> eluciv: did that work for you?
[02:58] <[Relic] > how do you track down what is running the HD every 5 seconds and either delay it or shut it down completely?
[03:01] <vblanton> umm seth, are you still around?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> [Relic] : try "top" in console
[03:04] <vblanton> ok, i'll state my quesiton again. for some reason I get slow internet in linux on my ethernet 1.5mb connection and I can't figure out why! everything works fine in windows, but not in kubuntu and gentoo.
[03:04] <vblanton> I have disabled ipv6 to no avail and I have checked my DNS server
[03:05] <Knowerrors> Anybody know good online free fax service?
[03:08] <vblanton> seth i need you...
[03:08] <vblanton> seth_k|lappy, you in da house??
[03:09] <seth_k|lappy> vblanton, here
[03:09] <vblanton> hey :)
[03:09] <seth_k|lappy> ipv6 didn't change things either eh :(
[03:09] <seth_k|lappy> wait
[03:09] <seth_k|lappy> you installed kubuntu that fast
[03:09] <vblanton> getting rid of ipv6 didn't do much.. any other suggestions?
[03:09] <seth_k|lappy> and disabled ipv6?
[03:09] <vblanton> (I am now in my gentoo install)
[03:09] <seth_k|lappy> ah
[03:10] <vblanton> maybe my router was telling my its DNS address?
[03:10] <vblanton> and not my isp's...?
[03:11] <vblanton> do ISP's generally have static DNS adressess?
[03:11] <vblanton> oh ok
[03:12] <Massacration> am ia blcoked?
[03:12] <vblanton> let me check the gentoo irc on how to disable ipv6
[03:12] <vblanton> Massacration, i see you
[03:12] <Massacration> yanks
[03:12] <Massacration> could someone help me
[03:13] <[Relic] > xorg is the only thing that seems to be constantly running
[03:13] <Massacration> ?
[03:14] <vblanton> whatsw up>
[03:14] <Massacration> the problem with kubuntu
[03:14] <Massacration> that i reallt cant solve
[03:15] <Massacration> play two sounds in two different programs at the same time
[03:15] <Massacration> how can i do that?
[03:15] <seth_k|lappy> Massacration, oy. that should be easy. /me has sounds coming from Firefox, Gaim, and Konversation right now
[03:15] <Massacration> ive been trying for a long time
[03:15] <vblanton> what 2 programs?
[03:16] <seth_k|lappy> Massacration, fresh install?
[03:16] <Massacration> nonono
[03:16] <vblanton> i have sounds coming from amarok, kde-notifications, a movie, firefox.. etc... all is well
[03:16] <Massacration> ive updated from 5.04
[03:16] <Massacration> to 5.10
[03:16] <Massacration> now updating kde to 3.5
[03:17] <Massacration> but th sound system dont play 2 sounds at the same time
[03:17] <Massacration> which ss should i use?
[03:17] <seth_k|lappy> Massacration, I use artsd->alsa
[03:17] <Massacration> now i using alsa
[03:17] <vblanton> holy moly!
[03:17] <vblanton> seth_k|lappy, my internet is FAST when rsync'ing
[03:18] <seth_k|lappy> vblanton, oy... is it just laggy? just the first click lags and then download is normal?
[03:18] <seth_k|lappy> try downloading a file and seeing if you get good speeds
[03:19] <vblanton> seth_k|lappy, no, downloading files go around 2.5k/s
[03:19] <seth_k|lappy> meh, vblanton :( imo try #ubuntu
[03:19] <seth_k|lappy> they know more about general workings of Ubuntu; I'm more KDE-specific
[03:20] <unistd> I'm using gnome and trying to install kubuntu, but the package kamera is broken and I dont obtain to install your packages
[03:21] <unistd> what repositories I can to use for install kubuntu?
[03:21] <Knowerrors> whats best fax system to use with kdeprintfax? Efax, Hylafax, mgetty-sendfax?
[03:21] <seth_k|lappy> unistd, the same repository holds packages for Kubuntu and ubuntu.
[03:22] <vblanton> Knowerrors, sorry, never sent faxes
[03:22] <vblanton> Knowerrors, you could try asking at #kde
[03:22] <unistd> seth_k|lappy, but when I try install kubuntu-desktop, it say that I need of package kamera, but this not install
[03:23] <Knowerrors> yup, in there now waiting for response
[03:23] <seth_k|lappy> unistd, try reloading your repository info
[03:23] <unistd> I do this
[03:24] <seth_k|lappy> unistd, also, what archive are you using? IIRC us.archive.ubuntu.com is having issues right now
[03:24] <unistd> br.archive.ubuntu.com
[03:25] <vblanton> seth_k|lappy, :( no help on #ubuntu...
[03:25] <vblanton> they just mentioned ipv6...
[03:27] <unistd> http://pastebin.com/446906 my source.list
[03:27] <seth_k|lappy> vblanton, what sort of speeds do you get with wget
[03:27] <seth_k|lappy> if only a browser is slow, it's just gotta be ipv6. did #gentoo tell you how to disable it?
[03:28] <unistd> seth_k|lappy, what repositores are you use?
[03:28] <vblanton> seth_k|lappy, 2.4 kb/s 3kb/s....
[03:28] <seth_k|lappy> unistd, archive.ubuntu.com (main archive)
[03:28] <vblanton> seth_k|lappy, its not only browsing...
[03:28] <seth_k|lappy> unistd, take out the "us."
[03:29] <seth_k|lappy> unistd, us repo is having issues
[03:29] <seth_k|lappy> vblanton, bah :(
[03:29] <kkathman> hey peeps
[03:29] <seth_k|lappy> i'm fresh out
[03:29] <unistd> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com main archive ?
[03:29] <seth_k|lappy> kkathman help vblanton :P we've tried disabling ipv6 and checking dns server entries, no go
[03:29] <seth_k|lappy> unistd, no
[03:29] <kkathman> whats up?
[03:29] <seth_k|lappy> unistd, http://pastebin.com/446908
[03:30] <seth_k|lappy> kkathman, his net connection is super slow
[03:30] <seth_k|lappy> except when using rsync
[03:30] <kkathman> I have a rather large margarita in me...so I'll try :)
[03:30] <seth_k|lappy> wget, konqueror, everything else is extra slow
[03:30] <kkathman> hmm
[03:30] <kkathman> what kinds of setting do we have?
[03:30] <seth_k|lappy> ipv6 = off
[03:30] <seth_k|lappy> dns servers = set to his ISP's (same as in Windows; Windows works fine)
[03:30] <unistd> seth_k|lappy, ok, wait
[03:31] <vblanton> seth_k|lappy,  I just downloaded a file from ftp.kernel.org and it went at 200kb/s, like it should.
[03:31] <kkathman> hmm
[03:31] <vblanton> it seems that ftp and rsync is fast
[03:31] <vblanton> but http isn't..
[03:31] <kkathman> DNS settings ok?
[03:31] <vblanton> this is really strange..
[03:32] <vblanton> kkathman, I have DNS settings same as my linksys router tell me I should...
[03:32] <kkathman> vblanton: are you using dhcp or static?
[03:32] <vblanton> dhcp
[03:32] <kkathman> hmm
[03:33] <vblanton> really strange
[03:33] <seth_k|lappy> the margarita will be good for kkathman's brainpower
[03:33] <kkathman> you said you investigated the ipv6?
[03:33] <vblanton> This didn't *just happen*. I recently got fast internet.
[03:34] <vblanton> kkathman, yes, i disabled it in /etc/modules.d/aliases
[03:34] <kkathman> hmm that seems like it should be ok
[03:34] <kkathman> hold on
[03:35] <kkathman> vblanton: are you using a gateway or direct to the net?
[03:35] <seth_k|lappy> he has a router
[03:35] <kkathman> aha..
[03:35] <kkathman> you set the gateway right?
[03:35] <vblanton> the gateway is my linksys routers ip
[03:35] <kkathman> right
[03:35] <kkathman> but you set that ip in your net settings?
[03:36] <vblanton> yup
[03:36] <kkathman> ok..heres a tip.. once you set that ip setting for the gateway, you must reboot to make it stick
[03:36] <kkathman> its a bug
[03:36] <vblanton> but, it was that ip originally. i didn't have to change it
[03:36] <kkathman> now I dont know if that rectifies it
[03:36] <kkathman> ohhh
[03:37] <kkathman> hmm
[03:37] <kkathman> theres no other err checking goin on or set right?
[03:38] <vblanton> not that i know of..
[03:39] <vblanton> i'm actually booted into my gentoo system right now, trying to figure it out from here
[03:39] <kkathman> vblanton: can you double check your /etc/network./interfaces and be sure there is a line in there that says "auto eth0" and another that has iface eth0 inet dhcop...and be sure other things are NOT there
[03:39] <kkathman> i.e. references to other eth devices
[03:41] <DShepherd> hey
[03:41] <kkathman> howdy
[03:41] <Kaiser_Away> DHCP (fwiw)
[03:41] <Kaiser_Away> hi DShepherd
[03:41] <DShepherd> is kde in the repositories?
[03:42] <DShepherd> 3.5
[03:42] <kkathman> DShepherd: no
[03:42] <DShepherd> will it be?
[03:42] <kkathman> i'd wait a few days and it should be there soon
[03:42] <DShepherd> ok.. 
[03:42] <kkathman> right now its only on the testing server
[03:42] <DShepherd> ok
[03:42] <vblanton> kkathman, yes.. i could... but im in gentoo :(
[03:43] <vblanton> kkathman, and I currently only run kubuntu from a live-cd :(
[03:43] <kkathman> ohhh
[03:43] <kkathman> gotcha
[03:43] <kkathman> hmm I dunno...unless your NIC is just odd
[03:43] <vblanton> kkathman, I wanted to switch back to kubuntu again but I wanted to test it out on the livecd, and I still had the network problem so.. i hoped I could find info here
[03:44] <kkathman> well, the live CD kinda is restricted a bit
[03:44] <kkathman> so I cant make any guarantees, honestly
[03:44] <unistd> How I see what files have a package installed?
[03:46] <fatejudger> were do you report Kubuntu specific KDE 3.5 bugs?
[03:46] <DShepherd> unistd your package manager should have a filter that says, "installed" 
[03:46] <fatejudger> *Where
[03:46] <vblanton> kkathman, but why would it be only the http protocol>?that's what doesn'y make sense
[03:46] <kkathman> 1 sec
[03:47] <unistd> DShepherd, with rpm is 'rpm qlp package', and on ubuntu?
[03:47] <drumline> where are the firewall configs for kubuntu?
[03:47] <DShepherd> your using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:47] <drumline> kubuntu
[03:48] <DShepherd> drumline: not you.. I mean unistd
[03:48] <DShepherd> unistd: your using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:49] <Massacration> hi everyone
[03:49] <DShepherd> hey
[03:50] <unistd> DShepherd, ubuntu
[03:50] <Massacration> how can i install firefox 1.5 in my kubuntu?
[03:50] <DShepherd> synaptic <- try that one
[03:50] <DShepherd> unistd: synaptic <- try that one
[03:51] <Massacration> i using adpet
[03:51] <Massacration> and it shows that iti will install firefox 1.07 not 1.5
[03:52] <Massacration> I would like to install open office 2.0 too but i cant
[03:53] <DShepherd> Massacration: firefox 1.0.7 will not be in the packages for breezy
[03:53] <DShepherd> Massacration: well not that I know of
[03:53] <robotgeek> Massacration: there's not buch difference in the 1.9.xx and oo 2.0
[03:53] <LjL> !tell Massacration about Firefox1.5
[03:53] <robotgeek> s/buch/much
[03:54] <Massacration> ok thanks
[03:55] <Massacration> any good games for kubuntu?
[03:55] <DShepherd> Massacration: frozen bubble maybe 
[03:55] <Massacration> already installed
[03:55] <Massacration> any other?
[03:55] <kkathman> ok back
[03:56] <DShepherd> Massacration: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion <-- IF you want to install Firefox 1.5
[03:57] <Massacration> Whats the best way to play 2 or more sounds at the same time with good performance
[03:58] <Massacration> ??
[03:58] <kinfo> i don't understand.
[03:58] <Massacration> my kubuntu cant play sound in two different running programs at the same time
[03:58] <kkathman> Massacration: one thing at a time
[03:59] <DShepherd> vblanton: ashes to ashes, dust to dust
[04:04] <vblanton> said the reaper to the farmer
[04:08] <Devilman> non si puo andare avanti cos'
[04:08] <vblanton> por favor uno dos tres?
[04:08] <vblanton> hehe, just kidding around..
[04:09] <vblanton> oops.. i got devilman to leave!
[04:09] <LeeJunFan> vblanton: haha
[04:09] <vblanton> hey LeeJunFan your here too?
[04:09] <kkathman> LeeJunFan:  can you help him?
[04:09] <vblanton> kkathman, he has been, in ubuntu !
[04:10] <vblanton> to no avail.. :(
[04:10] <MikeStyle> hi guys, im trying to configure vmware workstation 5.5 and it asks me this :What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[04:10] <MikeStyle>  kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include]                               and i have no idea where it is
[04:10] <LeeJunFan> vblanton: yep... you would think he would have been eldiablo, not devilman. hehe
[04:10] <vblanton> right
[04:10] <vblanton> im.. off to test knoppix
[04:10] <vblanton> until again!
[04:10] <mgorbach> How do i change what starts on boot in kubuntu??
[04:10] <vblanton> .. or whatnot
[04:10] <mgorbach> isnt there a script of some kind?
[04:11] <MikeStyle> ...?
[04:16] <EmmesHEMI> i had the same question mgorbach, there was just an article on madpenguin (lost it) about this great gui in ubuntu where you could turn off pcmcia, printing etc
[04:17] <EmmesHEMI> i think it was for 5.10 though, i didn't see an equavalent in dapper
[04:17] <PPPoE> there we go
[04:20] <knoppix> guess who i am...
[04:20] <PPPoE> knoppix?
[04:20] <knoppix> oh, good to meet you PPPoE.
[04:20] <PPPoE> THanks, you to
[04:20] <MikeStyle> can ANYONE help?
[04:20] <sambagirl> i was told to use adept updater but i dont see this undre system. 
[04:20] <knoppix> LeeJunFan, you still around?
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> yeah.
[04:21] <LeeJunFan> any change?
[04:21] <vblanton> i'm now in knoppix, if you didn;t guess
[04:21] <PPPoE> MikeStyle: It depends what you need help with, I can recommend a good fried shrimp recipe
[04:21] <EmmesHEMI> ttp://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/11/10-things-that-make-ubuntu-neophytes.html
[04:21] <vblanton> and I realised somethin
[04:21] <vblanton> my firmware is version 1.0, when 4.3 or something is out now...
[04:21] <MikeStyle> PPPoE, i already said my problem
[04:22] <vblanton> perhaps I should update the linksys firmware ? :)
[04:22] <PPPoE> probably before I got here
[04:22] <MikeStyle> hi guys, im trying to configure vmware workstation 5.5 and it asks me this :What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running
[04:22] <MikeStyle> MikeStyle  kernel? [/usr/src/linux/include] 
[04:22] <vblanton> LeeJunFan, think it'll do the trick?
[04:22] <LeeJunFan> vblanton: sure wouldn't hurt, still don't see how it would treat windows any different though.
[04:22] <MikeStyle> i have no idea where the C header files are
[04:22] <sambagirl> i wanted to update konversation and i was told to use adept updater to do all my kubuntu updating but i dont see this under system.
[04:23] <vblanton> LeeJunFan, no, but maybe unix ipv4 implementaion is different and.... well, i don't know. it's worth a try
[04:23] <LeeJunFan> vblanton: yeah, only one way to find out.
[04:24] <PPPoE> I do have a question myself though. For all intents and purposes I'm a newbie. I just installed Kubuntu 5.10 and in KDE the network settings pannel extends past the bottom of my screen. Unfortunately this display only goes up to 1024x768 and the window seems to have a fixed length longer than 768. Any ideas?
[04:24] <MikeStyle> 0_o
[04:25] <MikeStyle> anyone?
[04:25] <sambagirl> sure
[04:25] <sambagirl> Get an Amiga computer and change frequency to 57mhz and run the Amigaone on PPC :)
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: hold ctrl and click anywhere in the window to move the whole window.
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: maybe it's alt.
[04:25] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: alt.
[04:26] <PPPoE> Thanks, that works
[04:26] <PPPoE> although its still kind of annoying that the window wont resize
[04:26] <LeeJunFan> amiga's that is.
[04:27] <EmmesHEMI> i'm with you PPPoE
[04:27] <PPPoE> A few others
[04:27] <PPPoE> Is it normal to be completely incapable to use the "su" command from a terminal?
[04:27] <EmmesHEMI> there are a lot of windows that don't resize right in the  "system" area
[04:27] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: yes
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> ubotu: tell PPPoE about sudo
[04:28] <PPPoE> sudo is fine
[04:28] <PPPoE> but sometimes I like su
[04:28] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: you can do everything with sudo you can with su
[04:28] <PPPoE> yes but i have to keep typing sudo, and like most geeks i'm laz
[04:28] <PPPoE> lazy
[04:28] <MikeStyle> omg can anyone tell me where my C HEADER FILES are located?!?!?!?
[04:29] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: you can edit /etc/sudoers so you don't need a passwd also - how lazy is that? :)
[04:29] <PPPoE> haha yea, I'm not about to go that far
[04:29] <angasule> Mitja: /usr/include although mine looks eerily empty
[04:30] <angasule> err, MikeStyle, I mean
[04:30] <MikeStyle> The header files in /usr/include are generally for C libraries, not for the
[04:30] <MikeStyle> running kernel. If you do not have kernel header files in your /usr/src
[04:30] <MikeStyle> directory, you probably do not have the kernel-source package installed. Are yousure that /usr/include contains the header files associated with your running
[04:30] <MikeStyle> kernel?
[04:30] <PPPoE> ok i've got one more
[04:31] <angasule> MikeStyle: what are you doing?
[04:31] <MikeStyle> angasule, configuring vmware workstation 5.5
[04:32] <PPPoE> On the "sharing" pannel the "file sharing" section seems to not work at all. I click the "administrator mode" button and all seems well, but everything is disabled
[04:32] <PPPoE> Have I missed something?
[04:33] <angasule> ah, no idea about that, MikeStyle 
[04:33] <LeeJunFan> MikeStyle: sudo apt-get install linux-headers
[04:33] <ClayG> Is there a good read for samba out there on the net? I've followed a few from ubuntuforums and the guide but I cannot get it to work
[04:34] <PPPoE> The ubuntu wikki helped me get samba working under ubunutu, now I just have to do the same in kubuntu
[04:34] <PPPoE> and although I can already see my desktop from the latop, the other way around isn't working just yet
[04:35] <MikeStyle> LeeJunFan, E: Package linux-headers has no installation candidate
[04:35] <ClayG> this might be a silly question 
[04:35] <ClayG> but can samba be used to also share between linux systems?
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> MikeStyle: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`
[04:36] <ClayG> and thanks for the wiki idea btw- that is the one place I hadn't looked
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> MikeStyle: should install the right ones for the kernel you are running right now.
[04:36] <MikeStyle> LeeJunFan, thank you
[04:36] <LeeJunFan> you're welcome.
[04:37] <MikeStyle> :)
[04:37] <PPPoE> Any clue about my sharing pannel? 
[04:41] <sambagirl> after i do this apt-get update && apt-get upgrade do i have to reboot the computer after if finished?
[04:42] <Kaiser_Away> sambagirl: use dist-upgrade
[04:42] <Kaiser_Away> and you only have to reboot if you upgrade the kernel
[04:42] <sambagirl> what od you mean? i already do that other thing.
[04:43] <Kaiser_Away> if you upgrade Kubuntu, restart Kubuntu, otherwise it's mostly ok
[04:43] <sambagirl> is to late now?
[04:43] <sambagirl> it finished already
[04:43] <Kaiser_Away> apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:43] <sambagirl> i already did that.
[04:43] <[Relic] > still got something runing the HD every roughly 5 seconds and still can't track down what it is  :(
[04:44] <sambagirl> so i must reboot? i dont understand?
[04:44] <Kaiser_Away> the easy thing is to reboot
[04:44] <EmmesHEMI> question, when you type &&, can you do that one one line in konsole, or does that indicate "do it twice"
[04:44] <Kaiser_Away> but if you apt-get upgraded don't blame me if it breaks.
[04:44] <sambagirl> is somethign wrong with what i did?
[04:44] <sambagirl> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[04:44] <Kaiser_Away> EmmesHEMI: && means 'if the first command exits with 0 status'
[04:44] <sambagirl> that is what i was told to do
[04:45] <Kaiser_Away> sambagirl: i disagree, but ok
[04:45] <EmmesHEMI> excellent, thank you
[04:45] <sambagirl> now i am really confused
[04:45] <sambagirl> or i guess i should say konfused
[04:45] <Kaiser_Away> lol
[04:45] <sambagirl> :)
[04:45] <Kaiser_Away> sambagirl:I'll try to explain
[04:46] <sambagirl> i will try it tomorrow 
[04:46] <Kaiser_Away> when you run 'apt-get upgrade' it upgrades packages that are installed already
[04:46] <sambagirl> ok
[04:46] <Kaiser_Away> when you run 'apt-get dist-upgrade', it resolvs dependancies and tries to make sure everything works still
[04:46] <Kaiser_Away> when upgradeing version -> newversion dist-upgrade is especialy important
[04:48] <sambagirl> all i wanted to do was update the konversation thing and a guy from argentina said do the adept updatter and i did not see it so someone else say do this apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and now i have a dilema
[04:48] <sambagirl> lol
[04:48] <Kaiser_Away> lol. i see
[04:48] <sambagirl> if i turn off the computer it might not restart now.
[04:49] <Kaiser_Away> sambagirl: i always swear by dist-upgrade, but other people are fine using upgrade. i think upgrade is wrong.
[04:51] <sambagirl> but you kontradicting you say you swear by upgarde then you say you thinking upgrade is wrong.
[04:51] <Kaiser_Away> no, i sware by *dist-upgrade*
[04:51] <sambagirl> well i will reboot and see what happens.
[04:51] <sambagirl> :)
[04:51] <sambagirl> chao
[04:52] <Kaiser_Away> gl
[04:55] <LeeJunFan> dist-upgrade is okay until you do it on a server and it updates your kernel, you forget about that until you reboot from remote and it doesn't bring up your WAN T1 driver. heehe.
[04:56] <LeeJunFan> damn konqueror is turning on access keys automatically on me.
[04:57] <Kaiser_Away> lol. ouch
[04:57] <LeeJunFan> odd, somehow it was because of the DVD I was watching in xine.
[04:59] <ClayG> Tell me something , in Xchat where is the option to autojoin channels upon connect?
[04:59] <ClayG> scratch that
[05:00] <sambagirl> you needing help with your samba clayg>? :D
[05:01] <sambagirl> lol
[05:01] <ClayG> Yup
[05:01] <LeeJunFan> Vista To Be Updated Without Reboots: and in other news, MS is only 14 years behind linux.
[05:01] <PPPoE> I'm needing help with my samba :D
[05:02] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: what exactly are you trying to do with it?
[05:02] <ClayG> You needing help with your bachata sambagirl?
[05:02] <[Relic] > are there any problems with installing to a new HD then simply mounting a directly copying from HD to HD all the files I need?   I can't stand this continous HD pulsing so I think I will go back to 5.04 as long as I can transfer over the data w/o problems
[05:02] <ClayG> You know it's only two steps and a hip-pop, right?
[05:02] <ClayG> ;)
[05:03] <sambagirl> more then that :D
[05:03] <LeeJunFan> [Relic] : problem is installing grub, you can rsync the files over to preserve permissions.
[05:03] <sambagirl> anyway it works
[05:03] <sambagirl> thanks for all the konfusion
[05:03] <PPPoE> Simple share between kubuntu and XP, the kubuntu side works fine, but on the XP machine it cannot see the linux box at all. I'm suspecting its something with the xp machine though....
[05:03] <sambagirl> chao
[05:03] <[Relic] > LeeJunFan,   SCSI, I can ID the drives for which starts first
[05:04] <[Relic] > and I can install one w/o having the other in  :)
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: have you got them both set to the same workgroup? on XP try opening exploder and put \\[ip of linux] \ in the address bar.
[05:04] <PPPoE> I do, and if I use the IP I can access this computer
[05:04] <PPPoE> the workgroups are both set to "home"
[05:04] <ClayG> how do you find out the private ip?
[05:04] <LeeJunFan> [Relic] : yeah, but you still have to install grub on the new drive. Not really hard, just don't forget to do it.
[05:05] <PokerFacePenguin> ClayG: ifconfig
[05:05] <ClayG> Thank you PokerFacePenguin 
[05:05] <[Relic] > I wish I could find a way of tracking down what is causing this at such frequent intervals but I can't seem to find anything that will tell me the most recently editied file on the drive
[05:05] <[Relic] > LeeJunFan,   full install takes care of grub
[05:05] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: so what isn't working? just that XP doesn't see the linux machine in network places?
[05:06] <PPPoE> Correct, and with that it refuses to connect to any shares
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> [Relic] : man find.
[05:06] <PPPoE> This is one of those "I had it working and it just sorta broke" things
[05:06] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: they are probably fighting over who is the browsemaster.
[05:06] <ClayG> It's not //?
[05:07] <ClayG> I'm trying that now, it just sits there and does nothing
[05:07] <PPPoE> hm, how is that fixable?
[05:07] <LeeJunFan> [Relic] : find / -mtime 1 will show all files modified in the last 24 hrs.
[05:08] <ClayG> someone said there is a program called swat that is a gui for gnome for samba
[05:09] <ClayG> but running it just executes and does nothing
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> [Relic] : or you could touch a file with a specified date and find / -newer [touched file]  will find all files modified since that time, you may also want to use -atime, but it may be turned off in your mount options.
[05:10] <LeeJunFan> swat is for configuring samba, it's quite powerful, it's a service you access on port 991 (I think), you have to set it up in inetd or xinetd depending on which you run.
[05:12] <ClayG> the sad thing is when i goto places/network folders
[05:12] <ClayG> there is an icon and it says windows network
[05:13] <ClayG> but when i click it nothing comes up
[05:13] <PPPoE> That i find is usually caused by the workgroup name being incorrect
[05:14] <ClayG> really?
[05:14] <ClayG> I was suspecting that
[05:14] <PPPoE> at least it has been for me, each time its happened
[05:14] <ClayG> that is changes through smb.conf no?
[05:14] <ClayG> changed i mean
[05:14] <PPPoE> but if you follow my advice you may get a one way sharin system :)
[05:14] <PPPoE> yes
[05:15] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: 'man smb.conf' then type '/local master \(G\)
[05:15] <ClayG> one way is better than noway
[05:15] <ClayG> and on the xp computer, you remember how you change the workgroup there also?
[05:15] <PPPoE> my computer
[05:15] <PPPoE> and its on one of the tabs
[05:16] <PPPoE> rather... control pannel, system, then on one of the tabs
[05:17] <[Relic] > wonder how long this will take :(
[05:17] <ClayG> why you trying to goto sleep?
[05:18] <[Relic] > trying to find what is running
[05:21] <LeeJunFan> [Relic] : top doesn't give any clues?
[05:21] <ClayG> Does this look right? http://hostdestroyer.com/paste/view.php?id=6
[05:22] <[Relic] > not really
[05:22] <PPPoE> hmm
[05:22] <PPPoE> so it sounds like i need to turn this function off
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> ClayG: looks good to me.
[05:23] <ClayG> Hmmm
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: I think that's probably it, you said that you can see the linux machine in IE if you do the \\IP\
[05:23] <LeeJunFan> right?
[05:23] <PPPoE> yup
[05:24] <[Relic] > how do you shut down a program from shell?
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> And you can get into the XP system from linux?
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> [Relic] : what program?
[05:24] <[Relic] > find
[05:24] <PPPoE> yup
[05:24] <LeeJunFan> killall find
[05:25] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: then it's probably that the linux machine is the master browser, but windows thinks it is. so  you can either force linux to win the election by setting the os level high, or tell linux not to be local master.
[05:26] <[Relic] > xorg, konsole and init are what are at the top of the list
[05:27] <PPPoE> Just told it to not be the master.. i think. I gotta reboot to see if that worked
[05:27] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: here I have linux set as master by having os level = 90, and preferred master = yes
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: you may also have to reboot windows to get it to have another "browse master election"
[05:28] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: reboot windows after linux is back.
[05:29] <PPPoE> I was just looking in smb.conf
[05:29] <PPPoE> and the workgroup name section is completely blank
[05:29] <brodel> how can I make sure my system is up to date with patches and stuff? 
[05:30] <LeeJunFan> PPPoE: then that's probably the real problem.
[05:30] <arcanistherogue> hey, im having a problem upgrading to kde 3.5
[05:30] <PPPoE> I wonder how that happened
[05:30] <arcanistherogue> i got a broken dependence
[05:30] <arcanistherogue> *dependency
[05:31] <arcanistherogue> it is called "kdeaddons"
[05:31] <arcanistherogue> i cannot start KDE because of hte lack of it
[05:31] <LeeJunFan> brodel: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: is that what failed install or is that what something else depended on?
[05:32] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade, not apt-get upgrade if that's what you did.
[05:32] <arcanistherogue> LeeJunFan, well it couldnt install it when i followed the instructions to update KDE, and now when I use apt i get errors of broken depencdencies
[05:33] <arcanistherogue> LeeJunFan, Dist upgrade will do that?  im on 5.10
[05:33] <PPPoE>  be back in a minute
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: it should do a better job removing crap packages that are not in new kde.
[05:33] <arcanistherogue> will i have dapper thne?
[05:33] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: no.
[05:33] <arcanistherogue> oh ok
[05:33] <arcanistherogue> thanks
[05:33] <arcanistherogue> lemme try that
[05:34] <arcanistherogue> eh i got another error
[05:34] <arcanistherogue> apparently, this thing "kdeaddons" depends on konq-plugins, which cannot be found
[05:34] <arcanistherogue> oh i think i know whats wrong
[05:34] <arcanistherogue> it says its because i have konq plugins 3.4.3
[05:35] <arcanistherogue> if i remove that then install, will that go to 3.5?
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: probably.
[05:35] <arcanistherogue> actually, now i cant do anything with apt O_O, the unmet dependencies give me an error every time
[05:35] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: wait a sec.
[05:35] <arcanistherogue> k
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> I have konq plugins here on 3.5.0
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> what I don't have is kde-addons
[05:36] <arcanistherogue> hmm
[05:36] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: I have only one addon package - kdeaddons-kfile-plugins
[05:37] <arcanistherogue> when i try to remove it it says kde depends on kde addons
[05:37] <arcanistherogue> oh my god this is messed up >_<
[05:37] <LeeJunFan> try running dist-upgrade again. I had to run it twice.
[05:38] <arcanistherogue> still not working, i get hte dependency error every time
[05:38] <arcanistherogue> i put -f in there
[05:38] <arcanistherogue> and i got another error
[05:38] <arcanistherogue>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/konqsidebar_metabar.la', which is also in package metabar
[05:38] <LeeJunFan> well, konq plugins should be found. as I have it.
[05:39] <LeeJunFan> ah, get rid of metabar.
[05:39] <arcanistherogue> k
[05:39] <musik> hda1 is owned by root, group is root.....how do i make it rwx for myself? its fat32
[05:39] <arcanistherogue> ach!!!! every time i do anything with apt i get hte dependency error O_________O
[05:39] <arcanistherogue> musik, there was a guide on ubuntuguide.org
[05:39] <musik> arcanistherogue: on changing file ownership?
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: I think metabar is now included in kde, which is why you get the conflict.
[05:40] <LeeJunFan> brb.
[05:40] <arcanistherogue> musik, yeah, but its mounting hard drives so you can read and right
[05:40] <arcanistherogue> LeeJunFan, k
[05:40] <musik> arcanistherogue: i can read hda1, but cant seem to write to it.....how t fix this?
[05:41] <arcanistherogue> oh
[05:41] <arcanistherogue> is it NTFS?
[05:41] <arcanistherogue> you can only write to fat32, ext3, ext2, and a couple others, which NTFS is not on that list
[05:41] <jesusfish> anyone here have any issues with amaroK starting?
[05:41] <musik> its FAT32
[05:41] <arcanistherogue> well then
[05:42] <arcanistherogue> the guide will say
[05:42] <musik> i dont hear sounds in gaim:(
[05:42] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: dpkg -r metabar
[05:42] <arcanistherogue> LeeJunFan, actually im going to uninstall all kde packages, i did "sudo kynaptic" and im removing them
[05:42] <arcanistherogue> LeeJunFan, when i reinstall them hopefully itl fix
[05:42] <arcanistherogue> actually
[05:43] <arcanistherogue> i just removed the broken package
[05:43] <LeeJunFan> arcanistherogue: just remember to get rid of metabar first.
[05:43] <arcanistherogue> and now its continuing the update
[05:49] <PPPoE> hrm
[05:49] <PPPoE> why does this clock keep defaulting to UTC
[05:50] <kkathman> set it otherwise
[05:50] <PPPoE> i have 5 times
[05:51] <kkathman> odd
[05:51] <kkathman> what version of kubuntu?
[05:51] <PPPoE> 5.10 I believe
[05:51] <kkathman> and are you on its default kde?
[05:51] <PPPoE> yup
[05:51] <kkathman> or did you "upgrade" to 3.5?
[05:51] <PPPoE> Havn't upgraded anything yet
[05:51] <kkathman> ahh ok
[05:51] <kkathman> hmm
[05:52] <PPPoE> fresh install
[05:52] <kkathman> we are talking about the clock in the kicker right?
[05:52] <PokerFacePenguin> PPPoE: sudo base-config             it fixed mine
[05:52] <PPPoE> it's strange, I go into date/time settings. Set it to central and hit apply. the clock changes to the correct time and then switches back after closing the window
[05:52] <PokerFacePenguin> PPPoE: was having same problem
[05:52] <kkathman> PPPoE: but did you set the timezone?
[05:52] <kkathman> you have to set both
[05:53] <PPPoE> yes, i set the timezone to central
[05:53] <kkathman> I set mine to America/Chicago
[05:53] <PPPoE> I'm using american/grand forks I believe
[05:53] <PokerFacePenguin> PPPoE: and when u set it in the bios even....it changes back due to NTP....trust me...use sudo base-config and your problems will disappear
[05:53] <kkathman> hmm
[05:54] <PPPoE> north dakota
[05:54] <PPPoE> Poker I'm giving that a try now
[05:54] <kkathman> I set mine way back in warty and never changed it through 2 upgrades :)
[05:54] <PokerFacePenguin> PPPoE: u only need to do the timie part, dont continue thru any of the rest of it
[05:54] <PokerFacePenguin> timie=time
[05:54] <PPPoE> then restart after?
[05:55] <PokerFacePenguin> not required
[05:55] <PPPoE> hmm k.. one moment
[05:55] <PokerFacePenguin> it asks you if your clock is UTC or GMT
[05:56] <PokerFacePenguin> windows sets bios time for local...let your bios stay UTC and set your zone correctly with sudo base-config for the zone you are in....then local will be right
[05:56] <PPPoE> there we go
[05:56] <PPPoE> all fixed
[05:56] <PPPoE> now I just have to set it back to 24 hour clock and i'll be happy
[05:57] <PPPoE> Thanks Poker
[05:57] <PokerFacePenguin> np
[05:57] <kkathman> nice solution PokerFacePenguin :)
[05:57] <PokerFacePenguin> cant take credit for all of it...happened to me too about a week ago
[05:57] <PPPoE> K i've decided that KDE is completely messed
[05:58] <kkathman> thats the nice thing...you experience...learn, and teach others :)
[05:58] <kkathman> messed?
[05:58] <PokerFacePenguin> kkathman: yep, its all about sharing and community
[05:59] <kkathman> agreed
[05:59] <PPPoE> I'm finding a lot of the configuration panels are broken. I didn't have issues like that with gnome
[05:59] <PPPoE> and although editing text files works fine, I like when things work, even if I don't use them
[06:00] <kkathman> I suggest you make sure and update....there are significant fixes that came out after the install disk
[06:00] <PPPoE> I think I updated
[06:01] <kkathman> PPPoE: I've used the heck out of KDE and have found very few issues at all...nothing is bug free, but its really pretty clean
[06:02] <kkathman> maybe there's something I can help you with to get you through some of the initial things you are experiencing
[06:03] <kkathman> or of course. you can go back to gnome at any time provided you have not removed it
[06:04] <PPPoE> kkathman: Overall I like KDE better, there just seem to be some little things that don't work how I'd expect them to
[06:04] <PPPoE> if at all
[06:05] <kkathman> like what...maybe I can help
[06:07] <brodel> after doing the dist-upgrade KDE says it's at 3.5 RC1. That seem right to you?
[06:07] <kkathman> brodel perhaps...depends on what your repos are set to
[06:07] <brodel> ok
[06:07] <PokerFacePenguin> anyone know how I could start a bash script and have it named in konsole....konsole help pages say you can start a konsole with --name parameter but I cannot figure out how to have this open by default from a script.
[06:08] <brodel> how can I get firefox upgraded to 1.5? I thought that would of been one of the things that got updated once I did it.
[06:08] <kkathman> brodel: I just downloaded it from the firefox site
[06:08] <kkathman> remove the other version and untar, set a symlink and go
[06:09] <brodel> I've never got anything to install without aptitude or apt-get.
[06:09] <brodel> always fails at some seemingly simple point.
[06:09] <PPPoE> kkathman: just for example - how the network settings screen is not resizeable for a 1024x768 screen, or how the sharing settings panel doesn't seem to work at all 
[06:09] <kkathman> brodel:  its pretty easy, download...untar 
[06:10] <kkathman> PPPoE: resizable...it sizes ok for me at 1280 x 1024
[06:10] <kkathman> and the sharing settings will work, once you have certain things installed and running
[06:10] <PPPoE> It's lenth dimension minimum is higher than 768... unfortunately this laptops screen only displays that resolution.... I realize the limitation is really the laptop but realisticly speaking they could have done it differently
[06:10] <kkathman> PPPoE: you might check the wiki on those things..there is a world of help there :)
[06:11] <PPPoE> Well.. I have samba up and running already
[06:11] <kkathman> brodel: I can almost guarantee you can mess up the firefox install :)
[06:11] <PPPoE> like I said, I just like when things work :) I will be checking out the wikki, i havn't spent much time with it yet
[06:11] <brodel> yeah I'll bet I can too
[06:11] <brodel> too tired to bother tonight.
[06:11] <kkathman> PPPoE: for instance...I have 4 winboxes and 3 linux boxes on my network and I share freely between all systems
[06:11] <kkathman> brodel:  lol
[06:12] <kkathman> brodel: honest you just remove the old version, take out the entry in /usr/bin, then set a symlink to the install location
[06:12] <kkathman> and it runs like a top
[06:13] <brodel> don't know what a symlink is either. that like a shortcut?
[06:13] <kkathman> brodel: ya...I untar the package in my home directory under a subdirectory. Then I just set a symlink (pointer) to it in /usr/bin
[06:14] <PPPoE> I've got to check out my windows box to see if it can see this laptop 
[06:14] <kkathman> that way, if I back up stuff...I just back up my home
[06:14] <PPPoE> hopefully it was just the workgroup name
[06:14] <kkathman> PPPoE: it does make it easier if everyone is on the same workgroup
[06:14] <PokerFacePenguin> PPPoE: /home partitions rule... :)
[06:15] <kkathman> yup
[06:15] <PokerFacePenguin> no place like /home
[06:15] <lwizardl> hi
[06:15] <kkathman> howdy
[06:15] <brodel> I've come to terms with the fact that I am going to have an XP box around the house. No matter how much I don't want it.
[06:15] <kkathman> brodel: yah me too Im afriad
[06:15] <kkathman> afraid
[06:16] <lwizardl> brodel: thats what i've known for awhile :(
[06:16] <lwizardl> brodel: just do like me and don't have it hooked to the internet
[06:16] <brodel> xbox 360 HAS to have it to stream media to it.. so I am screwed. It didn't look like I was going to find a good solution for my PDA synching anyway.
[06:16] <kkathman> but they can peacefully coexist quite nicely
[06:17] <kkathman> brodel: there's an new project to put linux on the Xbox360
[06:17] <brodel> yeah
[06:17] <brodel> that'll be a while
[06:17] <kkathman> kinda kewl
[06:17] <brodel> free60 you mean?
[06:17] <kkathman> you must have been on the list btw since last year to get one this soon :)
[06:18] <brodel> I got mine at launch at midnight
[06:18] <brodel> I've been on the list since March
[06:18] <brodel> right behind the store manager hehe
[06:18] <kkathman> yeah thought so
[06:18] <brodel> friend of mine is playing it right now. 
[06:18] <kkathman> no way anyone is going to get them for Xmas...I think M$ does that on purpose :)
[06:18] <brodel> Yeah. They did.
[06:18] <brodel> They do it to make it seem much more in demand.
[06:19] <brodel> It stays in the media and everyone sees it and says wow that thing must be great.
[06:19] <kkathman> there are people that bought 5 or 6 and are now selling them on ebay for $2000 a pop
[06:19] <brodel> yeah
[06:19] <PokerFacePenguin> any konsole gurus know how i can start a bash script and pass off konsole parameters to it to make it behave like i want?  ie. --name property
[06:19] <brodel> I was gonna do that, but MS called the store and took my name off the list of one. They said only one per person. 
[06:20] <kkathman> way outa my league PokerFacePenguin, did you ask in #ubuntu?
[06:20] <brodel> I think I might pre-order the PS3 early so I can get it when it comes out in case the same type of thing happens.
[06:20] <brodel> I don't care to play the PS3
[06:20] <brodel> so I wont mind parting with it.
[06:20] <PokerFacePenguin> kkathman: not yet....thought since they arent really running konsole it was more pertinent here
[06:21] <lwizardl> anyway to import my fonts from windows xp?
[06:22] <PPPoE_> hmm still only shows the desktop when looking at workgroup computers in windows
[06:22] <brodel> too afraid to delete firefox. Took me long enough to get flash working on it.
[06:23] <kkathman> PPPoE: what happens when you go to a konsole and do an smbtree ?
[06:23] <kkathman> well I dont use FFox anyway
[06:23] <kkathman> lol
[06:23] <PPPoE_> It actually only lists the desktop
[06:23] <kkathman> but I have it to test web sites I develop
[06:23] <brodel> I like all my extensions
[06:24] <kkathman> PPPoE: then you dont have anything configured for samba
[06:24] <PPPoE_> back into smb.conf it is
[06:24] <kkathman> brodel: ya...I untar thnah
[06:25] <demon71> can anyone help with Ipod problem?
[06:26] <kkathman> PPPoE: actually all you need to do is create a mountpoint in the /media directory, chmod it to 777
[06:26] <PPPoE_> thats it?
[06:26] <nalioth> lwizardl: you can put any truetype fonts you like in ~/.fonts   <<<< may have to create this directory
[06:26] <kkathman> then create an smbcredentials file
[06:26] <robotgeek> PokerFacePenguin: i think you can set name/term title/whatever in xterm. so it must be possible to do that in konsole
[06:26] <nalioth> PokerFacePenguin: can you ask your question in a different manner? i'm not following you
[06:27] <kkathman> edit your fstab....and mount
[06:27] <PokerFacePenguin> robotgeek: i want to have a script that executes and tails -f filename, but i want its titlebar to say x
[06:27] <robotgeek> instead of say, bash or whatever
[06:28] <PPPoE_> hmm ok
[06:28] <kkathman> PPPoE: try this..it may help:  http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/SMB-HOWTO-8.html
[06:28] <robotgeek> PokerFacePenguin: no, i dunno how to do that. sorry
[06:28] <demon71> Help with sound card....
[06:28] <PokerFacePenguin> lol
[06:28] <lwizardl> nalioth: can you explain more please
[06:29] <DjGerhardt> gotta noobish question here
[06:29] <DjGerhardt> could anybody tell me how I could do an IP block whois? I can't remember the command
[06:30] <nalioth> lwizardl: any file ending in .ttf is supposedly a "True Type" font, you can search your windows partition and copy all of the .ttf files you find into your ~/.fonts or /home/Your_user_name/.fonts   directory
[06:30] <demon71> CODE:"E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[06:30] <demon71> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[06:30] <demon71> whats it mean?
[06:31] <PPPoE_> one moment
[06:31] <kkathman> demon71: usually means you are trying to run a command and you arent root...use "sudo" in front of the command
[06:32] <demon71> i did
[06:32] <kkathman> hmm
[06:32] <kkathman> trying to dpkg -i  ??
[06:33] <demon71> even when im in root it has the same error
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> demon71: do you have a package manager open like adept, or synaptic?
[06:33] <demon71> yeah, adept..
[06:33] <LeeJunFan> demon71: that's why.
[06:33] <kkathman> yah that was my next question....or if he still was running it on another konsole
[06:33] <demon71> so i need to exit that?
[06:33] <kkathman> if its done
[06:35] <kkathman> oops
[06:35] <demon71> you guys are genius's
[06:35] <demon71> thanks
[06:35] <kkathman> LeeJunFan is a genius
[06:35] <kkathman> so is nalioth
[06:36] <demon71> You guys know much about unmountin ipods?
[06:40] <lwizardl> ok i'm a newb when it comes to (k)ubuntu i'me used to mandrivia so please excuse the newbie questions :)
[06:41] <lwizardl> how can i register java system wide. i'm trying to load a java app and its giving me errors
[06:41] <kkathman> not a problem...all of us are/were noobs 
[06:41] <kkathman> you might have to install java
[06:41] <kkathman> !java
[06:41] <ubotu> To install Java/Sun Java see Java on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RestrictedFormats and also see !javadebs
[06:42] <lwizardl> http://pastebin.com/447011
[06:42] <DjGerhardt> I figured it out, nvm
[06:42] <lwizardl> kkathman: for this app i have to use an older version
[06:42] <kkathman> lwizardl: see the above post
[06:42] <kkathman> oh...hmmm
[06:43] <kkathman> dunno then
[06:43] <lwizardl> version 1.4.2.10
[06:43] <ClayG> using samba , my winxp system can see my ubuntu system, but when clicked i get an error saying it is no accessiuble
[06:43] <ClayG> Youmight not have permission to use this network resource
[06:43] <ClayG> any ideas?
[06:44] <kkathman> ClayG: http://ubuntuguide.org/#sambaserver
[06:44] <kkathman> thats an older ref...but should still work
[06:45] <robotgeek> !ubuntuguide
[06:45] <ubotu> from memory, ubuntuguide is an unofficial guide written by community members. It is not guaranteed to be up to date, or to work. There is an official guide, at http://help.ubuntu.com which is preferred.
[06:45] <kkathman> yes I know robotgeek :(
[06:45] <ClayG> ahh this is the one i followed
[06:45] <ClayG> it didn't work
[06:45] <kkathman> but I happen to know for a fact that this entry is correct..its what I used for my system
[06:46] <ClayG> well for mine it did not work
[06:46] <robotgeek> kkathman: hmm, okay :)
[06:46] <lwizardl> in term isn't it cd.. to go back a dir
[06:46] <kkathman> robotgeek: and that help page is worthless basically
[06:46] <robotgeek> http://help.ubuntu.com/starterguide/C/ch07.html#sect-samba-server this?
[06:47] <kkathman> pretty much the same thing :)
[06:47] <robotgeek> kkathman: hmm, okay. i never had to do samba, so i dunno :)
[06:47] <demon71> got another question... I get no audio when i play DVD's or CD's or any audio for that matter..
[06:48] <musik> does the new kopete let me see webcams?
[06:49] <robotgeek> kkathman: i did that cause it was what everybody did with ubuntuguide, no offensee :) 
[06:49] <robotgeek> offense
[06:51] <ClayG> man, ihave security = share and everything
[06:51] <ClayG> I can't see the windows computer from my linux one either
[06:57] <demon71> Please help with ipod ejecting/disconnecting problem....
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[07:29] <Riddell> twonkle
[07:31] <_aj> that was odd
[07:34] <Riddell> hello hu	
[07:34] <Riddell> humboldt: 
[07:34] <humboldt> yes?
[07:36] <Riddell> just saying hi :)
[07:36] <kkathman> howdy Riddell :)
[07:39] <Riddell> hi kkathman 
[07:43] <ClayG> anyone know the command to show free space on your hard drive?
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> df
[07:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> df -h is nice
[07:43] <kkathman> hey there Kamping_Kaiser ::) wb
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi kkathman :)
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> whs up?
[07:44] <ClayG> Very nice
[07:44] <ClayG> Thank you
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[07:44] <ClayG> If I want to share a folder using samba, can it be placed inside my /home/myname/?
[07:44] <ClayG> or is there a better/public place
[07:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> you can share any directory with samba
[07:44] <ClayG> to create a directory that will be like a backup?
[07:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> I'm not sure what you wdant to do
[07:46] <kkathman> its just an access point...not really a backup
[07:46] <ClayG> i want an older computer to act as a fileserver/backup for 2 other computers
[07:46] <ClayG> on a small peer2peer network
[07:47] <ClayG> not limewirep2p-type
[07:47] <kkathman> I do that currently
[07:47] <kkathman> you just have to have them mounted as shares
[07:48] <ClayG> how is that done?
[07:48] <kkathman> and the smbcrendials set so your boxes can autheticate
[07:48] <kkathman> authenticate I mean
[07:48] <kkathman> I think we gave you a link earlier
[07:48] <ClayG> Yes 2 links
[07:49] <ClayG> Oh did you mean those links contained information on mouting samba shares?
[07:49] <ClayG> I must have missed that
[07:49] <kkathman> yes they did
[07:49] <ClayG> Ok, I'll reread
[07:49] <kkathman> it really is nothing more than creating mountpoints an creating a credentials file
[07:51] <ClayG> I am now scanning the whole file
[07:51] <ClayG> Yes I see, the mounting part is not in the samba area
[07:51] <kkathman> ClayG I can dump out my smb.conf file and my fstab if that will help
[07:51] <ClayG> it is in another section, sorry about that
[07:51] <ClayG> dont think so, didnt you look earlier and say it lookedok?
[07:51] <kkathman> I'll put them both in a pastebin
[07:51] <kkathman> that will give you examples
[07:52] <ClayG> but i think this is what im lookinmg for
[07:52] <ClayG> sudo mount //192.168.0.1/linux /media/sharename/ -o username=myusername,password=mypassword
[07:52] <ClayG> ok 
[07:52] <ClayG> and if you can check this out
[07:52] <ClayG> Samba Config File - smb.conf
[07:52] <ClayG> http://hostdestroyer.com/paste/view.php?id=6
[07:53] <ClayG> dont know if this tells anything
[07:53] <ClayG> sudo testparm results 
[07:53] <ClayG> http://hostdestroyer.com/paste/view.php?id=7
[07:54] <kkathman> looks like you got the right idea
[07:54] <kkathman> then just add the mounts to the fstab
[07:55] <kkathman> and do a sudo mount -a && mount
[07:55] <kkathman> with it being in the fstab your mounts will come up everytime you boot
[07:55] <kkathman> dont grumble :)
[07:55] <kkathman> it works :)
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> that's not the point :)
[07:56] <kkathman> is there a better place to mount a samba share that works that you have experienced?
[07:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> it doesnt 'work better', I'm just a believer in putting that stuff in /mnt/
[07:57] <kkathman> oh that works too I suppose
[07:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> and keeping /media/ for my media devices....
[07:57] <kkathman> that makes sense
[07:57] <kkathman> I just folliowed some instructions
[07:58] <kkathman> anyway Im out and going to bed
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. it's not an issue, it's just how i do it
[07:58] <kkathman> nighters
[07:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate
[07:59] <ClayG> it's the first way i've seen it also
[07:59] <ClayG> in /mnt
[07:59] <ClayG> i just figured ubuntu did it differently lol
[08:00] <Kaiser_Away> lol
[08:00] <Kaiser_Away> or
[08:00] <Kaiser_Away> 'back before my day'
[08:00] <ClayG> ah
[08:00] <ClayG> the "days"
[08:01] <ClayG> no experience in nix back in the days but I'll talk about line noise, zmodem, and New User Passwords till the cows come home
[08:01] <Kaiser_Away> lol
[08:01] <Kaiser_Away> i only got into linux recently, but i have used oldish versions
[08:01] <Kaiser_Away> bbl. eating, getting drink, and may be back when merry :)
[08:01] <ClayG> have fun
[08:01] <Kaiser_Away> ta
[08:20] <demon71> can anyone help with Sound issues or direct me somewhere that can?
[09:13] <jbueler>  does anyone have any good apps for creating DVD back-ups?
[09:14] <jbueler> i'm new to linux and don't know what I should be using?!
[09:25] <hussam> anybody using openoffice.org2 1.9.129 sees this bug. Sometimes when I insert a picture, resize it, save as .doc and exit, after I reopen the file, the picture gets unresized.
[09:25] <hussam> ?
[09:56] <flosoft> hey everyone
[09:57] <flosoft> I got a question ... how do I remote connect to the login screen?
[09:57] <flosoft> like remote logon?
[09:57] <flosoft> is it possible via Windows?
[09:58] <Hobbsee> flosoft: yes, i recall it';s possible
[09:58] <Hobbsee> !putty
[09:58] <ubotu> Hobbsee: Do they come in packets of five?
[09:58] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[09:58] <Hobbsee> the program is called putty, and it's done by ssh, but more than that i dont know
[09:58] <Hobbsee> !ssh
[09:58] <ubotu> [ssh]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SSHHowto
[09:58] <flosoft> well I do not mean putty ... I mean like rdp protocol or vnc
[09:59] <zyn> there's a kde program for it
[09:59] <zyn> krdc - KDE Remote Desktop Connection
[09:59] <flosoft> kde remote ... but not simple vnc when you are logged in ... but already starting @ the login screen
[09:59] <zyn> it supports vnc and rdp
[09:59] <flosoft> yws
[10:00] <flosoft> *yes
[10:00] <flosoft> but I need a server
[10:00] <flosoft> u know @ the login screen
[10:00] <flosoft> you got the option of remote logon
[10:01] <zyn> have you tried K -> Switch User -> Start new session?
[10:01] <flosoft> well that is local
[10:01] <flosoft> I need the logon via remote
[10:01] <zyn> but there is a session type menu, which allows you to select a remote login
[10:01] <flosoft> the advantage of an RDP server is that you can set up the resolution etc.
[10:01] <flosoft> yesd
[10:02] <flosoft> and I need that type of server
[10:02] <flosoft> an RDP server
[10:02] <zyn> ahh... that i don't know how to do :/
[10:02] <flosoft> :/
[10:02] <zyn> have you asked google? :P
[10:02] <PokerFacePenguin> flosoft: u can tunnel most anything over ssh
[10:02] <flosoft> yes :p
[10:02] <flosoft> yeah well .... I already use ssh
[10:03] <flosoft> but that is to basic for the things I need ... I really need to access the KDE UI
[10:04] <PokerFacePenguin> flosoft: what about freenx
[10:05] <flosoft> PokerFacePenguin: well that is a distro
[10:05] <flosoft> I need the server for my kubuntu
[10:05] <PokerFacePenguin> flosoft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeNX
[10:05] <flosoft> http://freenx.berlios.de
[10:12] <PokerFacePenguin> flosoft: howto in the forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=97277&highlight=freenx
[10:32] <PokerFacePenguin> flosoft: did u look at the forum?  it looks to me like it is exactly what you are lookin for.  Fast RDP remote KDE capable installable on kubuntu
[10:53] <fatejudger> !xincludes
[10:53] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   x-window-system-dev
[10:56] <fatejudger> !qtincludes
[10:56] <ubotu> fatejudger: Are you on ritalin?
[10:56] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: kde-devel?
[10:57] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: no, I'm trying to compile this program that uses QT
[10:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I had no idea that you needed so many libraries and headers to compile a QT program
[10:58] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: which program?
[10:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: a program I wrote
[10:58] <Hobbsee> so true, kde-devel and xincludes definetly seems to help
[10:58] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: didn't Hoary already have most of these packages installed?
[10:58] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: got no idea - i never compiled anything under hoary
[10:58] <fatejudger> how could you not compile anything?
[10:59] <fatejudger> you have to compile stuff
[10:59] <fatejudger> compiling is fun
[11:00] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: they probably needed more space for useless media players
[11:01] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: and BloatedOffice
[11:01] <Hobbsee> in hoary?  easy, i didnt know how to compile
[11:01] <Hobbsee> true
[11:01] <fatejudger> I thought you were a programmer Hobbsee
[11:01] <fatejudger> I can'
[11:01] <fatejudger> I can't stand OpenOffice.org
[11:01] <fatejudger> I started using KOffice a couple months back and haven't looked back
[11:02] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: nah, i'm not - can compile a few things, still learning - but i cant write programs or anything like that
[11:02] <fatejudger> why do you use Linux then?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> for fun
[11:02] <Hobbsee> i do compile bits and pieces now though
[11:02] <Hobbsee> and so i dont have to bother with all the antivirus and firewalls and windows updates and all those other really annoying things about windows
[11:04] <Hobbsee> oh, and the virtual desktops, of course
[11:07] <fatejudger> !kdeheaders
[11:07] <ubotu> Syntax error in line 1, fatejudger
[11:07] <fatejudger> !kde
[11:07] <ubotu> kde is, like, totally, A powerful, free desktop environment for UNIX. IRC: #kubuntu #kde ; install from Ubuntu: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop ; ISOs: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/breezy/
[11:08] <fatejudger> !kde-devel
[11:08] <ubotu> fatejudger: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:08] <robotgeek> fatejudger: apt-cache search kde | grep dev
[11:08] <Hobbsee> !info kde-devel
[11:08] <ubotu> kde-devel: (the K Desktop Environment development files and modules), section universe/kde, is extra. Version: 5:44ubuntu2 (breezy), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB
[11:09] <robotgeek> Hobbsee: :)
[11:09] <fatejudger> damnit
[11:09] <fatejudger> they don't have the packages!
[11:09] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: hoary doesnt?
[11:09] <fatejudger> Breezy
[11:09] <fatejudger> I use KDE 3.5
[11:10] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: they're there...
[11:10] <fatejudger> I'm looking in Adept
[11:10] <Hobbsee> sarah@sarah:~$ apt-cache search kde-devel
[11:10] <Hobbsee> kde-devel - the K Desktop Environment development files and modules
[11:10] <Hobbsee> kde-devel-extras - extra development applications for use with KDE
[11:10] <Hobbsee> search for them instead?
[11:11] <fatejudger> they're there
[11:11] <fatejudger> they just can't be installed
[11:11] <Japsu> hmm
[11:11] <Hobbsee> why cant they?
[11:11] <fatejudger> there's some unmet dependencies
[11:11] <Japsu> wonder if ordinary debian can be upgraded to (k)ubuntu
[11:11] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: install the dependancies as well
[11:11] <fatejudger> Japsu: no
[11:11] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: that's what it's trying to do
[11:11] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: easier to do via apt-get
[11:12] <Japsu> right... not that I was going to try, there was just another guy on another channel that was using debian unstable, and someone said to him he'll get kde 3.5 when the others are getting kde 4.0 :)
[11:12] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: installing kdelibs-dev
[11:13] <fatejudger> Hobbsee: I'm gonnna run out of space soon
[11:13] <Hobbsee> fatejudger: make more space?
[11:13] <fatejudger> I'm still pissed they took out the partition viewer in Konq
[11:13] <Hobbsee> oh, is that where id' seen it previously!
[11:13] <Hobbsee> i thought it'd gone missing somewhere!
[11:13] <BigKahuna> is avi playback supported out of the box or do I need to install MPEG codecs?
[11:14] <BigKahuna> Im sure it work straight away on a previous installation.
[11:14] <robotgeek> BigKahuna: sudo apt-get install vlc 
[11:14] <robotgeek> or sudo apt-get install totem-xine
[11:14] <BigKahuna> robotgeek, Kaffiene?
[11:15] <robotgeek> BigKahuna: i think you can choose the engine in kaffeine
[11:15] <fatejudger> robotgeek: yeah, seriously
[11:15] <jojux> hi there
[11:15] <fatejudger> robotgeek: why would you recommend shitty ugly players like those?
[11:15] <robotgeek> fatejudger: well, i know that they work. plus, they work well. 
[11:16] <fatejudger> robotgeek: does that make them any less ugly?
[11:16] <jojux> i have some trouble with bluetooth, the kbluetoothd icon in systray is not showing up. And while connecting with Konqueror/Remote Places to my mobile phone, the pin dialog isnot showing up.
[11:17] <robotgeek> fatejudger: i don't care if it's ugly. i need it to play the video
[11:17] <fatejudger> robotgeek: you can still play the video with Kaffeine
[11:17] <fatejudger> robotgeek: and get better integration with KDE
[11:17] <robotgeek> fatejudger: hmm, i don't really use kde, so i dunno about the second part
[11:18] <jojux> any hints ?
[11:18] <fatejudger> robotgeek: umm, why are you here then?
[11:19] <robotgeek> fatejudger: cause there's other problems for ppl , other than kde which i can solve. 
[11:37] <j-linux> I am using Ubuntu 5.04.  I am going to reinstall with 5.10.  I'm not sure whether to download Ubuntu or Kubuntu.  I am going to have both KDE and GNOME on the computer but run XFCE.  Is there any difference whether I download Ubuntu or Kubuntu if I am going to run XFCE anyway?
[11:38] <j-linux> I'm not sure whether Kubuntu is significantly different from Ubuntu, or if it is just regular Ubuntu with KDE installed and not much different than if I took Ubuntu and installed KDE on it...
[11:47] <flosoft> how do I enable movie preview?
[11:47] <flosoft> so that when I go with my mouse over a movie that it plays in preview?
[11:48] <The_Vox> I don't think that can be done
[11:48] <flosoft> and with audio?
[11:48] <flosoft> cuz I had that a long time ago with SuSE
[11:49] <The_Vox> audio can be activated
[11:49] <flosoft> where?
[11:49] <flosoft> so that it plays in preview when I go over it?
[11:49] <The_Vox> open a konqueror window, go to View/Preview and select Audio files at the end of the list
[11:50] <flosoft> cool thx :)
[11:51] <PokerFacePenguin> flosoft: curious if the link to the forum helped ya
[11:51] <flosoft> yes it did :)
[11:51] <The_Vox> np
[11:51] <flosoft> I am going to try it later
[11:51] <flosoft> but I am having a problem with the new KDE :S
[11:51] <PokerFacePenguin> flosoft: good deal....lots of interesting reading on the nx protocol huh
[11:52] <flosoft> it is freezing from time to time
[11:52] <flosoft> and then it loads @ 99% CPU
[11:52] <flosoft> especially konquerror
[11:52] <PokerFacePenguin> flosoft: sounds like the old kaffiene problems... :P
[11:52] <flosoft> ???
[11:53] <flosoft> y kaffeine?
[11:53] <PokerFacePenguin> kaffiene used to do that to me
[11:53] <flosoft> well it seems to be something with the soundserver
[11:54] <flosoft> but I use amarok or xine
[11:54] <PokerFacePenguin> i use amarok too, but it likes to flake every now and then
[11:55] <The_Vox> artsd on 3.5 sucks planets through capillary straws, I had to disable the damn thing
[11:59] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: what's wrong with yours? mine seems to be okay.
[12:01] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: lockups and 100% CPU use at random intervals....mainly when amarok or xmms run for over a few mins and I get an icq msg that makes noise
[12:02] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: hrm, mine is okay, here, both on amd64 and 386 versions.
[12:03] <flosoft> yes The_Vox ... same problem here
[12:03] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: my problem was on a 386....I'm installing amd64 tomorrow
[12:03] <flosoft> but only with 3.5 ... not with 3.5RC and the betas
[12:03] <metalek> hi
[12:04] <flosoft> where do I see what soundserver i use?
[12:04] <metalek> i'm using kubuntu under ppc anybody could help me with sources.list?
[12:05] <The_Vox> flosoft: if you are using kde and haven't messed with the sound system, you are running artsd
[12:05] <flosoft> well I messed :p
[12:05] <flosoft> in the beta b4
[12:05] <flosoft> but I see artsd in top
[12:06] <michael> my first stupid question of the day: is there no way to see my history in konqueror?
[12:06] <flosoft> but in Kcontrol > Sound > Sound System > Hardware: select the audio device: 
[12:06] <The_Vox> flosoft: just disable the stupid thing in the control center thingy
[12:06] <flosoft> there is Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
[12:07] <flosoft> and in amarok i use xine engine
[12:07] <flosoft> if that matters :S
[12:07] <LeeJunFan> if you guys wanna check your arts config against mine it's here http://pastebin.com/447116
[12:08] <The_Vox> thanks, LeeJunFan :)
[12:08] <LeeJunFan> hope it helps.
[12:08] <michael> ah, seems I needed F9 for the sidebar, problem solved
[12:08] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: is that on the 386 or the 64?
[12:09] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: the 64, but it's the same /home dir
[12:10] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: k
[12:10] <flosoft> my system has a big problem
[12:10] <flosoft> the soundserver is killing all :S
[12:11] <flosoft> I changed now from alsa to oss
[12:12] <The_Vox> mmm....I don't have the -a alsa part...that may be it
[12:12] <flosoft> ???
[12:13] <The_Vox> flosoft: from LeeJunFan's config...he has an -a alsa part in it that I don't have in my config
[12:13] <The_Vox> flosoft: and I'm using alsa, so...that may be why it's locking up on me
[12:13] <flosoft> ok
[12:13] <flosoft> i use alsa 2
[12:14] <flosoft> where is the alsa config file?
[12:14] <The_Vox> flosoft: what he pasted is not for alsa's config, but for artsd config
[12:14] <flosoft> ok
[12:14] <flosoft> but where is that?
[12:15] <LeeJunFan> http://pastebin.com/447116
[12:15] <The_Vox> ~/.kde/share/config/kcmartsrc
[12:15] <flosoft> no on my system
[12:15] <flosoft> ow ok
[12:15] <flosoft> thx vox
[12:15] <The_Vox> and the file from LeeJunFan is on that url
[12:15] <The_Vox> compare yours to that one and see if there's any differences
[12:15] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: basically go to soundserver config, hardware tabe, and set alsa as your audio device.
[12:16] <flosoft> got that
[12:16] <The_Vox> ok, I'm gone...I'm gonna test that change tomorrow after installing kubuntu-64, LeeJunFan, thanks for the help
[12:17] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: no prob, 64bit rules, and chrooting is fiarly easy too for 32 bit :)
[12:17] <flosoft> http://pastebin.com/447121
[12:18] <flosoft> the F value and the S value is different :s
[12:18] <flosoft> and s
[12:18] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: I just got a 64bit about...7hr ago :) Just transplanted my kubuntu HD from my old x86 to this...but tomorrow I'm installing anew :)
[12:19] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: I just did too, had to install a chrooted 386 for a few things to work right though that won't run in 64 bit.
[12:19] <flosoft> http://pastebin.com/447121 any one see a problem?
[12:19] <LeeJunFan> flash being one.
[12:19] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: what things?
[12:19] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: flash dies on 64? good! :)
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: not really.
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: yeah, macromedia only offers a 32bit linux version, so you gotta install a mini 386 distro chrooted inside your amd64 install.
[12:20] <LeeJunFan> bookmark the site I'm about to give you before you go in case we don't talk again soon.
[12:21] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: k :)
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> http://www.nerdarium.com/archives/2005/03/13/new-64-bit-pc-ubuntu-32-bit-chroot-fun/
[12:21] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: that site makes setting up a chroot easy, you may find other things you need it for if you need vmware for instance.
[12:22] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: vmware doesn't run on 64?
[12:22] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: perhaps newest 5.5 version does but older didn't/doesn't.
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: you can do it with the chroot environment fine though..
[12:23] <The_Vox> k, thanks for the tip...I actually do use vmware a lot for work
[12:23] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: how did you get your buffer size in arts set to 8192? I can't get mine to adjust to that level.
[12:24] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: I finally got around to getting my needed apps to work with wine, I dumped vmware before I went 64 bit.
[12:25] <flosoft> LeejunFan: just set it to maximum
[12:25] <flosoft> can that be the problem?
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: you don't have your output set to 16bit either. Under hardware quality.
[12:25] <The_Vox> LeeJunFan: I do R&D consulting for one company that uses nothing but windows for their work (they do HVAC control), which means I have to have windows vmwared several times to do simulations and other crap
[12:25] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: it's hard to say, artsd can be finiky if something just isn't right. I just can't even get my GUI to set my buffer as high as yours.
[12:26] <The_Vox> ok, now that I've been saved from headaches tomorrow, I can go sleep in peace lol!
[12:26] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: ah, yep. I do like vmware, very neat app, just didn't like the fact that for me I had 2 apps I needed windows for and had to give up gigs of HD space for XP :)
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: gnight.
[12:27] <The_Vox> thanks for the help and the heads up :)
[12:27] <The_Vox> arioshi ba all
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: I've got mine set to about 1/2 way for the skip prevention.
[12:27] <LeeJunFan> The_Vox: yer welcome.
[12:31] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: only other thing I can think of with arts is that if you have it set for realtime priority you need to sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/artswrapper
[12:32] <LeeJunFan> in order for realtime prio to work, but without it chmodded it should still just run OK at lower prio.
[12:32] <flosoft> well I have put it at lower priority
[12:32] <flosoft> now it is worse
[12:32] <flosoft> so I'll put it back
[12:33] <LeeJunFan> did you set it for 16bit?
[12:33] <flosoft> yes
[12:34] <LeeJunFan> only differences I see between yours and mine would be my buffer (skip prevention) is about 1/2 way, I have start soundserver with realtime checked (and sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/artswrapper), and I have mine set to 16 bit.
[12:35] <LeeJunFan> And I have my custom sampling rate of of 44100 checked.
[12:35] <skaman> hi! Anyone experiencing freezes with kopete?
[12:36] <LeeJunFan> skaman: mine is fine.
[12:36] <LeeJunFan> skaman: I'm using msn, yahoo, aol, icq, and jabber with mine.
[12:36] <skaman> when I try to set up the video device X freezes
[12:36] <skaman> mine works good too
[12:36] <skaman> but..when I try to set up the video device X freezes
[12:38] <LeeJunFan> skaman: it could be a driver problem with your cam, mine works okay.
[12:39] <LeeJunFan> skaman: do you have libpt-plugins-v4l and xserver-xorg-driver-v4l installed?
[12:40] <flosoft> well x freezes here 2
[12:40] <LeeJunFan> as soon as you click on devices?
[12:40] <flosoft> no constantly
[12:41] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: you mean nothing to do with kopete? :)
[12:41] <flosoft> no
[12:41] <flosoft> I thought it was arts
[12:43] <flosoft> but it seems not to be arts either
[12:43] <flosoft> I think it is  xorg
[12:44] <EddieX> Why does hotplug start when i pass the nohotplug=yes during boot?
[12:46] <wabble> think you have to remove it like this -> sudo update-rc.d -f hotplug-net remove
[12:46] <wabble> and to add it again you do -> sudo update-rc.d hotplug-net start 41 2 S . stop 89 0 6 . 
[12:48] <flosoft> does anyone know what the process kio_imap4 is?
[12:48] <wabble> some kind of mail thing?
[12:48] <flosoft> yay :p
[12:48] <flosoft> I could of have guessed that
[12:49] <flosoft> but is it a KDE thing?
[12:49] <EddieX> wabble, That is not possible when i cant boot the system
[12:49] <wabble> do a google :p
[12:49] <wabble> EddieX: have you tried the rescue mode boot option?
[12:49] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: it's the kde imap handler, I think kmail uses it.
[12:49] <wabble> from grub
[12:50] <EddieX> wabble, I will try that now.
[12:50] <EddieX> What function does this hotplug script have ?
[12:50] <wabble> EddieX: ok, good luck :)
[12:50] <wabble> EddieX: networking i think, on off detection?
[12:50] <wabble> but not sure
[12:50] <wabble> or maybe thats ifplugd
[12:51] <EddieX> wabble, Hmm i dont think so.. i think it has to do with all the usb stuff..
[12:51] <EddieX> "hotplug" when you insert/remove devices... right?
[12:51] <wabble> maybe, you would be better off doing a google for it if no one else here knows than me telling/speculating 
[12:51] <EddieX> brb i will try rescue mode
[12:51] <wabble> i think so atleast
[12:52] <LeeJunFan> EddieX: I don't think nohotplug is a viable boot option.
[12:54] <EddieX> LeeJunFan, Ok, i know it was before :)
[12:55] <LeeJunFan> EddieX: there is a bit of hotplug stuff you can edit in /etc/default/hotplug, but of course you'll need to start in single/rescue mode to get there if you can't boot otherwize.
[12:55] <LeeJunFan> EddieX: I just did egrep -R nohotplug /usr/linux/Doc and didn't find any mention of it.
[12:55] <EddieX> LeeJunFan, It seems that the hotplug is alright. I think it has to do with my nic module
[12:56] <LeeJunFan> EddieX: maybe it's hotplug-net
[12:56] <EddieX> Perhaps. 
[12:56] <EddieX> Linux drivers arent always nicely done :)
[12:58] <wabble> try these two..
[12:58] <wabble> sudo update-rc.d -f ntpdate remove
[12:58] <wabble>  sudo update-rc.d -f hotplug-net remove
[12:58] <LeeJunFan> EddieX: there's also more hotplug doc in  /usr/share/doc/hotplug
[12:58] <wabble> removes time and network
[12:59] <EddieX> LeeJunFan, The doc won?t help me with this. Thanks anyhow :)
[01:00] <EddieX> Is there a kernel boot option to disable sound/alsa ?
[01:03] <LeeJunFan> EddieX: ALSA=no should do it.  ALSA    ALSA sound support is enabled.  - from kernel-paramaters.txt in /usr/src/linux/Documentation
[01:05] <EddieX> LeeJunFan, Indeed. I have figured it out now. I watched the source for my audiocard... it is the problem
[01:06] <electuZ> hi junFan..
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> electuZ: hello.
[01:06] <electuZ> junFan: do u know me?
[01:06] <flosoft> LejunFan: I found the problem I think ... since i killed the kio_imap4 ... the system uses no more cpu and runs stable
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> electuZ: can't say that I do.
[01:06] <flosoft> I think there is a bug :S
[01:06] <capricorn_tm> hello .9
[01:06] <capricorn_tm> :)
[01:06] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: hrm, odd.
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: do you use imap for you e-mail?
[01:07] <EddieX> I must say that the support here was really quick and good!
[01:07] <EddieX> Thanks
[01:07] <flosoft> yes
[01:07] <EddieX> Now my system is up n running :)
[01:07] <capricorn_tm> I have a question on KDE 3.5, anyone can help?
[01:07] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: I have kio_imap4 running here.
[01:08] <flosoft> well mine was not only running one process
[01:08] <flosoft> but 8
[01:08] <flosoft> or so
[01:08] <LeeJunFan> flosoft: doh, only one here.
[01:08] <electuZ> ..
[01:09] <capricorn_tm> *waits*
[01:09] <electuZ> or .
[01:11] <capricorn_tm> So none can help me for a second? just have a quick question
[01:11] <LeeJunFan> capricorn_tm: just ask, if anyone can help you they will.
[01:12] <capricorn_tm> Okay, thanks. I installed .5, everything seems allright. But it was supposed to run superkaramba natively and I cannot find it noway
[01:12] <capricorn_tm> What should I do? install it manually?
[01:12] <thejasco> Good Morning (Ciao a tutti)
[01:12] <LeeJunFan> capricorn_tm: yeah, I don't have it on here by default. has to be specifically selected for installation.
[01:13] <capricorn_tm> I see..... Did you already install it? because as I tried to do it, i had a lib error and did not seem able to fix it
[01:14] <LeeJunFan> capricorn_tm: sorry, I don't use it.
[01:15] <capricorn_tm> okay, thanks anyway :)
[01:16] <capricorn_tm> thanks Leejunfan, gotta go :)
[01:16] <capricorn_tm> ciao
[01:16] <markc> anyone know of info/docs how to boot from a USB device ?
[01:18] <LeeJunFan> markc: not personally - perhaps some of these links would be helpful? http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu+boot+usb&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[01:19] <markc> LeeJunFan> great, thanks... I was looking for kubuntu specific but this will do
[01:19] <LeeJunFan> markc: here's one: http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20522&highlight=usb+boot
[01:20] <LeeJunFan> markc: pretty much anything kubuntu applies with ubuntu and ubuntu is likely to turn up more info, I find more crap on google I need just by searching 'ubuntu [what I need] '
[01:20] <markc> LeeJunFan> yay, that looks good :-)
[01:21] <adairton> Bom dia!!!!
[01:24] <hunika> raphink: hello
[01:24] <raphink> hi
[01:24] <hunika> raphink: how are you?
[01:24] <raphink> fine thanks :)
[01:24] <raphink> you?
[01:25] <hunika> raphink: I am fine too
[01:25] <raphink> good
[01:25] <hunika> raphink: My Kubuntu works fine
[01:25] <hunika> thanks to you
[01:25] <raphink> good :)
[01:25] <hunika> raphink: there are in kubuntu unnecesary files that i can delete? Like temp files in windows 
[01:26] <raphink> temp files are deleted at each reboot
[01:26] <hunika> raphink: I see
[01:28] <raphink> what kind of unnecessary files would you like to remover ?
[01:29] <hunika> raphink: I don't know
[01:29] <hunika> raphink: Just sometimes I delete a lot of files in windows
[01:30] <hunika> raphink: from regisrty and so onj
[01:30] <hunika> raphink: and i thought that in linux exists too
[01:30] <raphink> that doesn't seem necessary
[01:30] <raphink> why do you need to delete these files in windows?
[01:31] <hunika> raphink: I don't need, I simply delete for freeing up space
[01:31] <raphink> you can use kleansweep if you want
[01:31] <raphink> that's a linux utility to remove files that are not used
[01:31] <hunika> raphink: In windows when you uninstalled programs still remain those files in regisrty which you can delete
[01:32] <hunika> I see
[01:32] <raphink> you can uninstall program with the --purge option in linux
[01:32] <hunika> I understand
[01:32] <hunika> I have wine but I can't run a lot of windows applications!
[01:33] <raphink> what's the use?
[01:33] <LeeJunFan> I know in windows you usually have to delete all the temp files in c:\documents and settings\username\Local.... \Temp
[01:33] <raphink> what kind of window app do you need?
[01:33] <hunika> It is a dictionary for windows Macmillan Essential Dictionary
[01:33] <hunika> Corel Draw suit 12
[01:34] <hunika> these are the most important for me
[01:36] <hunika> raphink:?
[01:36] <raphink> mhm
[01:40] <djk_> hunika: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=440
[01:45] <EddieX> Anyone using a Xpress 200 chip from ati?
[01:47] <hunika> djk_: The page does not exits
[01:47] <hunika> exists
[01:58] <BigKahuna> How to work with KDM themes on Kubuntu?
[01:58] <disasterblaster> hi all
[01:58] <BigKahuna> Kubuntu doesn't seem to have a 'default' installation of KDM.
[01:59] <disasterblaster> is it possible to download a minimal cd, and install kubuntu via internet?
[01:59] <disasterblaster> (like debian user? )
[02:00] <BigKahuna> Kubuntu installation is only 1 CD anyway.
[02:00] <disasterblaster> BigKahuna, yes, but 600Mb. isn't 50-100 Mb installation cd ?
[02:01] <BigKahuna> No I guess not, but if your going to be using a CD anyway, why not 600Mb?
[02:02] <DHGE> hello can anyone of you reprodice this:
[02:02] <disasterblaster> BigKahuna, only to know. i would want to install minimal, and everything up-to-date via internet (like debian)
[02:03] <DHGE> i try to print from konq 3.5 -> konq crashes
[02:05] <BigKahuna> disasterblaster, Oh I see, well I'm not sure about the minimal install. I was looking into installing Ubuntu on an old machine that didn't have a CD rom and I recall find some kind of net boot image, gimme a second and I'll see if I can find it again.
[02:05] <BigKahuna> Also not sure what exactly you would like to be up-to-date...
[02:06] <disasterblaster> BigKahuna, very thanks...
[02:06] <BigKahuna> Newest app releases (e.g. Firefox 1.5) are not in the Ubuntu repos yet, including the backports.
[02:06] <disasterblaster> BigKahuna, i mean install every package newest version..if i install cd, i have to apt-get upgrade later...
[02:07] <disasterblaster> BigKahuna, ahh..:(
[02:07] <disasterblaster> BigKahuna, so is unuseful to do this..isn't it ?
[02:09] <danis> hi! can anyone help me to find a program please?
[02:09] <disasterblaster> danis, like ?
[02:09] <danis> nvu ... is instalable in kubuntu ?
[02:10] <disasterblaster> nvu? what is it ?
[02:10] <danis> html edition 
[02:10] <BigKahuna> well I guess it depends exactly what packages you want to be the most current. Some may be in the repos some may not. If you go for the minimal install you could still dowload and install tar balls of the latest apps, kinda takes away the simplicity though.
[02:10] <danis> or another program like this ..
[02:11] <disasterblaster> BigKahuna, if i find a package into debian repository (not ubuntu) is it installable anyway ?
[02:11] <BigKahuna> disasterblaster, I'm not sure.
[02:12] <danis> i need to edit html so i can get out from winguss !! :'(
[02:12] <disasterblaster> BigKahuna, :( :( :( ok thanks
[02:13] <BigKahuna> I just checked the netboot thingy, not really what your looking for. Install a minimal version without the need for a CD drive and then connects to the internet to complete the install. It will just grap what packages are currently in the repos though.
[02:13] <danis> thankssssssssssssssssss !!
[02:13] <BigKahuna> !netboot
[02:13] <ubotu> netboot is, like, a method of installing Ubuntu over a network. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installation/Netboot
[02:14] <danis> and another thing..... i have a pppoe conection ...
[02:14] <BigKahuna> danis, kde-apps.org
[02:14] <danis> each..... 
[02:15] <danis> some time.... like one hour ...
[02:15] <danis> mi connection fell down ...
[02:15] <danis> first mi konkeror stop working... and then all mi connection
[02:18] <hugelmopf> Is anybody else experiencing very slow loading/rendering of webpages in Konqueror? (as compared to Firefox)
[02:19] <hunika> raphink: ?
[02:19] <hunika> raphink: I have a small question
[02:20] <hunika> raphink: Can I run mac software on kubuntu?
[02:20] <hugelmopf> I am not sure, whether it has to do with my network settings, or whether some Konqueror/KDE setting is messed up, but Konqueror takes up to 30 seconds to load/display some simple webpages, which Firefox display pretty much right away.
[02:37] <Ahmuck> how do you create a boot floppy for kubuntu ?
[02:40] <^rob^> hi
[02:41] <^rob^> anyone tryed to run dreamweaver in linux  - with wine?
[02:41] <socketbind> my friend tried it with crossover
[02:41] <^rob^> i have a funny storry to tell
[02:41] <socketbind> he says it works perfectly for him
[02:41] <^rob^> it seems DRW needs MDAC - the kit readme is in html and give a link to dl mdac....
[02:42] <socketbind> it's a file around 5 megs named MDAC_TYP.EXE it should install perfectly as far as I remember
[02:42] <^rob^> Microsoft - say - you need to run genuine windows please download this keymaker and auth yourself with that generated key
[02:43] <^rob^> after wine started that generator - and gived to MS the key 
[02:43] <^rob^> i've seen biiig on the browser
[02:43] <^rob^> THANK YOU FOR USING GENUINE WINDOWS!
[02:43] <^rob^> LOOOOL
[02:43] <^rob^> i use ubuntu
[02:43] <socketbind> haha billy has a soft spot for penguins
[02:43] <^rob^> lol
[02:43] <socketbind> btw that was on slashdot lately
[02:43] <^rob^> really?
[02:43] <^rob^> :)
[02:44] <socketbind> funny thing is I downloaded MDAC components thousands of times and I never needed to go through this genuine advantage stuff
[02:44] <socketbind> I clicked on download button and sayonara
[02:44] <socketbind> well whatever, it should install perfectly
[02:44] <socketbind> but I wonder if DRW would install on a simple wine
[02:45] <socketbind> I've only seen it running in crossover
[02:46] <socketbind> did you managed to install mdac?
[02:46] <socketbind> after downloading it?
[02:46] <juan> hello
[02:46] <socketbind> ^rob^: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=dreamweavermx check this out
[02:46] <^rob^> hahaha
[02:47] <^rob^> another one
[02:47] <^rob^> i have tryed now - after downloading mdag
[02:47] <^rob^> mdac - to run - wine mdac_setup.exe
[02:47] <^rob^> say - This application can not be installed on this OS.
[02:47] <^rob^> opened IE
[02:47] <^rob^> and run it from there
[02:48] <^rob^> instead download i pressed RUN
[02:48] <^rob^> and it has been installed!
[02:48] <^rob^> :)
[02:49] <socketbind> well I'm reading frank howto for this, and you gonna need a bunch of stuff for this
[02:49] <socketbind> in the end you managed to install DRW?
[02:50] <^rob^> socketbind: TY 
[02:50] <socketbind> np
[02:50] <^rob^> drw it is installed
[02:50] <^rob^> but when i start it - i see only the logo
[02:50] <^rob^> then nothing.
[02:50] <^rob^> i'll read that link
[02:50] <^rob^> brb
[02:50] <darkhawk> moin
[02:50] <socketbind> under crossover it's dead simple to install it but it's commercial
[02:51] <^rob^> aha
[02:51] <^rob^> i guess i have no Windows Scripting Host
[02:59] <^rob^> YEEE
[02:59] <^rob^> it works
[02:59] <^rob^> i had to tell to use that native dlls
[02:59] <^rob^> scr56en :)
[03:01] <^rob^> socketbind: ty man
[03:01] <^rob^> i have to go now
[03:02] <^rob^> bye
[03:08] <markc> I have installed ubuntu onto a drive, added the kde3.5 sources, how do I upgrade to kde 3.5 ?
[03:10] <hugelmopf> markc: have you installed ubuntu or kubuntu?
[03:12] <markc> hugelmopf> yes, a fresh breezy onto an external USB drive, I've chrooted into it, updated the ubuntu packages, added http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 to sources.list... fine, but installing , say, kmail (doesn't seem to be a kde meta package) wants to install 3.4 something
[03:13] <markc> there used to be a kubuntu-desktop package (I think)
[03:14] <hugelmopf> markc: yes, that should still be there. you might have to update your lists (e.g. with "apt-get update" on the command line)
[03:14] <markc> done that
[03:14] <hugelmopf> after adding the kde35-line to sources.list?
[03:15] <markc>   kmail: Depends: kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.3-1) but it is not going to be installed
[03:15] <markc> yes
[03:15] <markc> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[03:15] <hugelmopf> that is ok
[03:15] <hugelmopf> >= 3.4.3-1 means also 3.5 :-)
[03:15] <hugelmopf> which package manager do you use right now?
[03:15] <hugelmopf> (apt directly, aptitude, synaptic, adept, ...?)
[03:16] <markc> I think kdelibs4c2 is 3.4.3... kdelibs4 is for 3.5
[03:16] <markc> apt-get
[03:16] <markc> no gui yet
[03:16] <hugelmopf> kdelibs4c2 is on version 4:3.5.0-0ubuntu0breezy1 here, so that should be ok.
[03:17] <markc> I've installed the ubuntu installer onto an external hard drive, which won't boot... do I am chrooted into it... no gui
[03:17] <hugelmopf> might want to try aptitude if you want something a bit more gui but still on the command line
[03:18] <hugelmopf> but for me you look set up ok. does "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" not work?
[03:21] <markc> heh, I'm stuck in aptitude...
[03:21] <hugelmopf> you mean you cannot quit? (using "q" or the menu)
[03:22] <markc> bah, control-c outathere...   kubuntu-desktop: Depends: kamera but it is not going to be installed
[03:22] <markc> deb http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu breezy main universe multiverse restricted
[03:22] <markc> deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde35 breezy main
[03:22] <markc> those are my 2 listed sources
[03:23] <brodel> I did a dist-upgrade last night and now I have two kernel choices during boot. Is there a file I can edit to get rid of that? I just want it to boot into the newer one.
[03:25] <markc> brodel> it's handy to have a backup kernel to boot on, the first default one should boot anyway
[03:25] <hugelmopf> markc: looks fine. kamera-3.5 should be in the kubuntu.org repository
[03:25] <hugelmopf> i wonder why apt-get doesn't automatically pull it into the installation. can you check that it is actually available with "aptitude search kamera"?
[03:25] <markc> brodel> if it's a grub boot then it'll be /boot/grub/menu.lst
[03:26] <markc>   kamera: Depends: libgphoto2-2 (>= 2.1.6-1ubuntu6.1) but it is not going to be installed
[03:26] <hugelmopf> brodel: you could deinstall the kernel, that you don't want.
[03:27] <hugelmopf> brodel: after booting into the new kernel of course! ;-)
[03:28] <markc> (>= 2.1.6-1ubuntu6.1) but 2.1.6-1ubuntu6 ... they both look the same to me so the >= is faulty!
[03:29] <hugelmopf> markc: let me check, which one I have
[03:29] <brodel> I just wanted the menu to look a bit cleaner, but if you guys think I might want to keep it there, then maybe I should.
[03:29] <brodel> If I didn't have XP on the same laptop I wouldn't want to see that menu at all.
[03:30] <hugelmopf> brodel: whenever you verified, that the new kernel works fine (for a few days), it's fine to remove the old kernel package with your package manager ("adept" in your case, i guess).
[03:30] <lordpatman> hi
[03:31] <markc> brodel> if you play around with any of the newer kernel or module setting and stuff things up then you can still boot on the older kernel
[03:31] <hugelmopf> markc: you need the breezy-updates source as well.
[03:32] <hugelmopf> $ apt-cache policy libgphoto2-2
[03:32] <hugelmopf> libgphoto2-2:
[03:32] <hugelmopf>   Installiert:2.1.6-1ubuntu6.1
[03:32] <hugelmopf>   Mgliche Pakete:2.1.6-1ubuntu6.1
[03:32] <hugelmopf>   Versions-Tabelle:
[03:32] <hugelmopf>  *** 2.1.6-1ubuntu6.1 0
[03:32] <hugelmopf>         500 ftp://ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de breezy-updates/main Packages
[03:32] <hugelmopf>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[03:32] <hugelmopf>      2.1.6-1ubuntu6 0
[03:32] <hugelmopf>         500 ftp://ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de breezy/main Packages
[03:32] <brodel> pastebin dude
[03:32] <markc> hugelmopf> ah!... yes, commented out a few lines lower!
[03:32] <brodel> :P
[03:32] <hugelmopf> sorry, didn't expect it to come out like this ;-)
[03:33] <hugelmopf> <- not been on IRC for a looong time.
[03:33] <markc> yes, another libgphoto came thru... looks like the same version though
[03:33] <brodel> what is the "recovery mode" in the options? That kind of like safe mode for XP or something?
[03:34] <markc> yes, there we go... kubuntu-desktop underway :)
[03:34] <hugelmopf> brodel: afaik it will boot you into a single root prompt, where you can check your system, in case it doesn't boot anymore.
[03:34] <markc> I *really* tried using the default Gnome desktop for 1/2 hour... I *hate* it !
[03:35] <markc> woops. amd I in #kubuntu... yes, cool :)
[03:35] <brodel> ahh ok. Nothing I would know how to use anyway. Thanks hugelmopf 
[03:36] <hugelmopf> markc: I don't hate Gnome, i even think, that the Ubuntu crew really did a good job in integrating it. But i consider it more of a newbie desktop, as i haven't been able to customize it to my needs as nicely as KDE.
[03:39] <markc> hugelmopf> I actually got angry and frustrated... the brown theme didn;t do anything for me... it came from disks that were sent to me for free though, so I thought I should at least give the default gnome a try
[03:39] <markc> hugelmopf> when I signed up fore the disks I specified kubuntu in the comments... didn't work
[03:40] <markc> hugelmopf> I just wonder if canonical are doing the right thing foisting ubuntu onto so many folks when kubuntu is so much better... IMSHO
[03:41] <hugelmopf> markc: I don't know if you have read Mark Shuttleworth's announcement concerning Kubuntu. Looks like it is going to be a "first class citizen" in the Ubuntu world soon.
[03:41] <markc> hugelmopf> I mean, I won't be giving copies of these disks to anyone
[03:42] <markc> hugelmopf> I read something a awhile ago saying it was no going to be dropped, at least, "upgrading" it to full front row seats is good to hear
[03:42] <markc> hugelmopf> props to Riddel et al
[03:43] <hugelmopf> markc: http://www.kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-commitment.php
[03:43] <markc> hugelmopf> thanks
[03:44] <markc> hugelmopf> ah right, okay so they were just offloading all the old ubuntu CDs then :)
[03:46] <markc> and I hope a combined livecd installer is next, with a full graphical installer... that'll nail kubuntu as numero uno, in my view
[03:48] <markc> 'scuse me raving I got 1/2 an hour to kill waiting for 400mb of kde to come thru
[03:48] <hugelmopf> from my point of view it is numero uno for the desktop/laptop by far. debian + almost all hardware configured automagically + up-to-date packages (especially KDE) ... what can you get more? ;-)
[03:48] <markc> a single CD to give to newbies that they can try out and if they like it then go ahead and install
[03:49] <markc> and a friendlier graphical startup so they are not so shell shocked (win newbies that is)
[03:49] <hugelmopf> you are right, and this is the plan for the next release :-)
[03:50] <hugelmopf> but i could imagine kubuntu being integrated more tight. i do see the need for a separate live/installer cd, but apart from that I don't see the need for the split of forums, wiki, webpage, ...
[03:50] <markc> yes, I agree, all else is top nothc... expecially debian packaging having to go near Dbeian proper
[03:50] <hugelmopf> i mean, it is just another install option, not a different system?
[03:51] <markc> without having to go near Debian proper
[03:52] <markc> hugelmopf> what, ubuntu and kubuntu of a CD?... perhaps a DVD
[03:52] <markc> on a CD
[03:52] <hugelmopf> nono, I said I _do_ see the need for a separate installer (as long as it is going to be only one CD), but not the rest of the splitting.
[03:53] <markc> ah right
[03:54] <aroman> Hello
[03:55] <aroman> I installed kde3.5. Is there any way to make Konqueror tabs behave more like Firefox/Mozilla tabs? ie. When I middle click an url link it should open in a new tab, and when I middle click a tab, it should close it? Thanks in advance.
[03:57] <markc> aroman> Settings > Web Beahviour and look at the advanced button
[03:58] <aroman> markc: I've been there, but I didn't find any setting which would remotely seem to do what I want :(
[03:59] <markc> aroman> Open links in new tab instead of window ?
[04:01] <markc> aroman> doesn't your MMB open a link in a new tab? mine does
[04:01] <aroman> markc: there is an "Open popups in new tab instead of in new window", but the problem is that "middle clkicking" won't open in a new tab, but in a new window ;(
[04:01] <aroman> weird...
[04:02] <markc> aroman> hmm, maybe there is another setting somewhere, I'll have a look, I vaguely remember seeing something about MMB
[04:02] <brosio> when will make a kubuntu version with 3.5 ?
[04:02] <aroman> ok nevermind I've got it... it's weird
[04:03] <aroman> brosio: when 6.04 comes out
[04:03] <brosio> a long time to wait :D
[04:03] <markc> aroman> ah there it is, in the next panel under Tabbed Browsing
[04:03] <aroman> markc: yes
[04:04] <sorush21> hi guys my Kubuntu Pc is faliling to boot after cecking battery state, now the hdd is working and I'm not sure what its doing, I don't have a battery on my pc and I'm talking to you from a laptop. Could someone tell me how I can enable and disable daemons from the command line in the recovery mode?
[04:04] <aroman> the only thing is that I would like tabs to close when I middle click on them... Is there an option like that?
[04:04] <markc> aroman> so does your MMB work as expected now ?
[04:04] <aroman> markc: ^ almost...
[04:04] <markc> aroman> I didn't realize FF allowed to close tabs with MMB, that's cool
[04:05] <markc> aroman> hmm, not by default, must be a setting in prefs
[04:05] <jesusfish> anyone have issues with amaroK crashing on startup?
[04:05] <aroman> markc: you need to disable the feature that makes firefox paste an url in the tab you click on (contentLoadURL I think in about:config)
[04:06] <aroman> jesusfish: run it from a Konsole and show the output
[04:06] <jesusfish> aroman: I did, doesn't show much
[04:06] <aroman> jesusfish: that's not helpful, paste the output into a paste site and post the link...
[04:07] <jesusfish> amaroK: [Loader]  Starting amarokapp..
[04:07] <jesusfish> amaroK: [Loader]  Don't run gdb, valgrind, etc. against this binary! Use amarokapp.
[04:07] <jesusfish> amaroK: [Loader]  amarokapp probably crashed!
[04:07] <jesusfish> that's it for that one
[04:08] <jesusfish> and if I run amarokapp, it just segfaults
[04:08] <aroman> jesusfish: what amarok do you have? :S
[04:09] <aroman> [loader]  ? what?
[04:09] <aroman> run gdb amarokapp
[04:09] <jesusfish> aroman: 1.3.1 and 1.3.5
[04:09] <aroman> then at the gdb prompt tyle run
[04:09] <jesusfish> aroman: did that too, it doesn't show much
[04:09] <aroman> how can you have 2 versions installed?
[04:11] <jesusfish> aroman: as in I tried both versions
[04:13] <markc> jesusfish> does strace amarok give you any clues?
[04:13] <jesusfish> markc: naw, it was pretty useless too
[04:15] <burepe> When I use the gui to change the samba settings and I hit the administrator mode button and it lets me sign in, but i can not alter anything. I was told  this is a problem with breezy. I have hoary, butI had a harddrive problem and I used the install disk to reformat the drive and when I did it, by accident for a while it started installing and I turned off the computer. Then I restarted the comp and it seemed to be fine. But now I have th
[04:15] <burepe> e administration problem. So I am wondering, could  this install starting mistake have installed some Breezy file and be what is causing me this administration mode problem?
[04:16] <slow-motion> hallo
[04:23] <markc> how do I get a /etc/mkinitrd/mkinitrd.conf (in breezy) ?
[04:25] <burepe> I am trying to access my linux shared folders from a windows machine and when I click orn 
[04:25] <burepe> oops
[04:26] <burepe> on the folders is brings up a username and password dialog, but none of my usernames and passwords work. 
[04:27] <burepe> My button to do Administration mode in the gui doesn't work either. Is there  a way to fix this in the command line?
[04:27] <sorush21> hi guys my Kubuntu Pc is faliling to boot after cecking battery state, now the hdd is working and I'm not sure what its doing, I don't have a battery on my pc and I'm talking to you from a laptop. Could someone tell me how I can enable and disable daemons from the command line in the recovery mode?
[04:28] <sorush21> I need to reset my init to its normal how do i do that?
[04:30] <markc> sorush21> if you start from recovery then you should be in single user mode and no daemons are started... however, ps aux will show all processes, just kill the number in the 2nd column
[04:30] <markc> sorush21> /etc/init.d/<daemon> stop would be better though
[04:31] <reagleBRKLN> Kubuntu 5.10 tries to automount sda1 *and* sda http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=4d0816337600dc509d3bf4fda94ea31b&p=539325#post539325
[04:31] <sorush21> markc: my bot doesn't fully get compeleted
[04:31] <reagleBRKLN> Unlike most problems where folks have trouble with the automount, I have too much of a good thing. I have an external single primary partition ext3 formatted usb drive. (At one point I had formatted it without a partition even (just the whole disk) and perhaps that confused it?) Can I tell automount not to worry about /dev/sda and just focus on /dev/sda1?
[04:31] <markc> sorush21> rc-update del <daemon> (I think)
[04:31] <rvl> y question, i installed my (kubuntu, which is debian based right?), with dutch language. If i compile programs now
[04:31] <rvl>           (./configure, make etc) my gcc gives all the error messages in Dutch. I don't want this. If i get error
[04:31] <rvl>           messages, and i want to look them up on the net, i have to translate them and i don't know if my translation is
[04:31] <rvl>           the right one. So how can i get my english locale back?
[04:33] <sorush21> why is my boot failing ?
[04:33] <markc> rvl> dpkg-reconfigure locales
[04:33] <rvl> tnx markc
[04:34] <markc> sorush21> there should be some kind of errors, or describe what happens and where you get up to in the boot sequence
[04:35] <aroman> burepe: did you run smbpasswd -a <youusername>
[04:35] <aroman> and then at the password prompt enter your WINDOWS password?
[04:36] <sorush21> markc: I get upto and paste the cecking battery state and its ok, however initializing random number generator fails, and that is as far as I get up to in the boot
[04:36] <nickv111> Hello
[04:36] <nickv111> On my Kubuntu install, sound works, but I cannot play OGG files with amaroK or xmms
[04:36] <markc> sorush21> battery, on a desktop ? ... if so then maybe your motherboard battery is cactus
[04:37] <nickv111> It's really weird. No sound is emitted when I attempt to play my ogg files
[04:37] <markc> nickv111> and mp3 do play ?
[04:38] <nickv111> Let me try to find some mp3 files.
[04:38] <markc> nickv111> a wav file... anything else to compare
[04:38] <bhna> nickv111: is gstreamer08-vorbis installed?
[04:39] <markc> nickv111> have you started kmix and turned up the master and PCM volumes ?
[04:39] <nickv111> markc: Yes
[04:39] <bhna> nickv111: is gstreamer08-vorbis installed?
[04:39] <nickv111> bhna: Yes
[04:39] <markc> dpkg --get-selections | grep gstremer
[04:40] <nickv111> bhna: it's the newest version
[04:40] <nickv111> Sound works, but I don't have mp3 support anyways
[04:40] <nickv111> My music will not play with amaroK, xmms, or ogg123
[04:46] <jesusfish> anyone know how to get the KDE 3.5 dev packages installed?
[04:46] <nickv111> Any suggestions? I honestly have no idea why this doesn't work
[04:47] <nickv111> I just tried playing it with xine, and that didn't work, either
[04:47] <burepe> no
[04:48] <nickv111> :(
[04:50] <rebugger> set gstreamer in your media player
[04:50] <rebugger> start adept and install gstreamer0.8-mad
[04:50] <burepe> aroman, I did that but it still isn't working
[04:50] <rebugger> then start your mediaplayer and try playing the mpg3-file
[04:50] <rebugger> that should work
[04:50] <burepe> aroman, this is to access the linux shares from a windows comp right?
[04:51] <rebugger> (or you install gstreamer0.8-plugins - then you have all gstreamer-plugins installed)
[04:51] <bl3ssing> is anybody from springfield, N.J.?
[04:51] <rebugger> nooo
[04:52] <jesusfish> bah
[04:52] <jesusfish> why would the kde dev packages depend on fam?
[04:52] <jesusfish> being as Kubuntu uses gamin
[04:53] <jesusfish> and pretty much every kde package uses gamin
[04:55] <nickv111> rebugger: I already have gstreamer0.8-plugins installed
[04:55] <nickv111> Okay, I just tried playing an mp3, and the same thing happens
[04:56] <rebugger> and you have set gstreamer in amarok as default?
[04:56] <nickv111> I can't understand why, but whenever I play music, there is no sound. Movies work fine
[04:56] <nickv111> rebugger: Yes
[04:56] <rebugger> hm
[04:56] <rebugger> tried to reinstall gstreamer0.8-plugins?
[04:57] <bl3ssing> nickv111, you can reinstall the greamer plugins
[04:57] <bl3ssing> and ... not only, but ... try to use the xmms to listen to any music. This is the best (my opiniion)
[04:57] <_aj> well make sure you have like mpg123 and sox installed 
[04:57] <nickv111> bl3ssing: I have.
[04:57] <bl3ssing> I had the same pbs ... and now it is ok. :-)
[04:57] <sorush20> guys what happens if I partition my hdd so that every directory has its own partition ?
[04:57] <nickv111> rebugger: You mean, like an apt-get remove && apt-get install?
[04:58] <bl3ssing> nickv111, have you tried sudo killall artsd? 
[04:58] <rebugger> yeah, i dont know if adept supports "reinstall"
[04:58] <bl3ssing> and than ... loading the xmms for listening the music? or any other one ....?
[04:58] <nickv111> I'm not using adept
[04:59] <rebugger> so try remove&install
[05:02] <hugelmopf> isn't it weird to have amarok use the gstreamer-plugin on a kde-system, and not arts directly?
[05:03] <hugelmopf> (i was assuming that you are using amarok to try playing your audio files)
[05:05] <Eruantalon> Warning: Firefox may crash: http://gamesarcade.net/fire/fire.asp <-- Can you access this page and play the flash game? Firefox crashes at my box. 
[05:05] <MenZa`> how do I run a script? I downloaded a theme, and it says I have to run an "install.sh" script - what command do I need?
[05:05] <Eruantalon> ./install.sh
[05:06] <MenZa`> huh?
[05:06] <Eruantalon> but you are probable going to need to do chmod +x install.sh first
[05:06] <MenZa`> just navigate to it :\?
[05:06] <MenZa`> kay
[05:06] <Eruantalon> you navigate to the right path then execute the script with: ./install.sh
[05:07] <rebugger> MenZa`:  firefox 1.5 works
[05:07] <MenZa`> you're telling me that.. why?
[05:07] <MenZa`> I'd assume it does :S
[05:07] <rebugger> ups, wrong nick
[05:07] <Eruantalon> rebugger: Was that for me?
[05:07] <rebugger> *g*
[05:07] <rebugger> Eruantalon:  yeah
[05:07] <MenZa`> heh ;)
[05:07] <rebugger> Eruantalon:  was for you
[05:08] <rebugger> works with ff1.5
[05:08] <Eruantalon> Can you actually play an whole game?
[05:08] <Eruantalon> Hmm
[05:08] <Eruantalon> Maybe thats what I need.
[05:08] <Eruantalon> Though I think my problem is with flash itself.
[05:08] <rebugger> mom, i'll test
[05:09] <rebugger> works
[05:09] <rebugger> update your flash
[05:09] <Eruantalon> Firefox just dissappears here, no crashing or anything its just gone. Happens quite often with flash sites. Pretty annoying now that there are all these flash ads everywhere
[05:09] <rebugger> flush your firefox-cache
[05:10] <nickv111> Same problem after reinstalling gstreamer0.8-plugins
[05:10] <rebugger> hum
[05:10] <nickv111> When I play a song, I get this in the bottom-left hand corner of amaroK: "GStreamer: Error"
[05:10] <MenZa`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5337
[05:10] <hugelmopf> nickv111: which player are you using and have you tried a different backend then gstreamer?
[05:10] <nickv111> hugelmopf: I am using amarok, and no
[05:10] <rebugger> reinstall gstreamer0.8 completely?
[05:11] <Eruantalon> rebugger: What is the easiest way to upgrade flash on kubuntu?
[05:11] <hugelmopf> "apt-get install amarok-arts" and switch to the arts backend, maybe that helps?
[05:11] <MenZa`> Eruantalon: check the link, I get problems running the script :\
[05:11] <rebugger> with firefox? hm, download the flash-package an run the script - then set your firefox-plugin-dir to the flash-dir
[05:12] <Eruantalon> I really can't stand when I can't just apt-get something
[05:12] <Eruantalon> rebugger: thanks anyway
[05:12] <rebugger> no problem
[05:13] <hugelmopf> rebugger: is there any reason for nickv111 to keep using gstreamer, instead of arts? (given he is using KDE)
[05:13] <Eruantalon> MenZa`: It seems that the script is running just fine, but you are having some other problem with the script. That I wouldn't know anything about
[05:13] <rebugger> hugelmopf:  no - no reason
[05:13] <Eruantalon> I don't even know what you are trying to install
[05:13] <nickv111> rebugger: Same thing
[05:13] <nickv111> I'm getting the same problem
[05:14] <rebugger> with arts?
[05:14] <nickv111> hugelmopf: That didn't help. So, I suppose the problem is not gstreamer
[05:14] <nickv111> rebugger: Right
[05:14] <nickv111> Using arts didn't make any difference
[05:14] <rebugger> try arts-backend just like hugelmopf suggested
[05:14] <rebugger> hm
[05:14] <rebugger> do you have mpg123 installed?
[05:15] <nickv111> rebugger: I do now
[05:16] <rebugger> so have you tried "mpg123 song.mp3"
[05:16] <nickv111> rebugger: Yes
[05:16] <nickv111> rebugger: No sound output
[05:16] <hugelmopf> nickv: do you have any other application running, that would use your audio?
[05:17] <nickv111> hugelmopf: No
[05:17] <rebugger> hm, and there is really no problem with your sound?
[05:17] <nickv111> rebugger: No, because I can play movies with sound no problem
[05:17] <rebugger> what are you using? alsa?
[05:17] <nickv111> rebugger: Yes
[05:17] <rebugger> hm
[05:17] <JakubS_> nickv111: mplayer?
[05:18] <markc> nickv111>  this might help diagnose your problem http://alsa.opensrc.org/aadebug
[05:18] <nickv111> JakubS_: Doubtful. I have tried amarok, xmms, mpg123, ogg123, and xine, so I doubt mplayer will make a bit of difference
[05:19] <JakubS_> nickv111: i just wondered what do you use for watching videos with audio
[05:19] <nickv111> JakubS_: xine
[05:19] <hugelmopf> nickv111: if you go to "system settings" - "sound & multimedia" and disable to sound system and then reenable it... does it give you any errors?
[05:19] <hugelmopf> ^^ the sound system
[05:19] <JakubS_> then check what output is it using
[05:20] <nickv111> hugelmopf: No errors
[05:21] <markc> nickv111> does kmix run at all ?
[05:21] <nickv111> hugelmopf: However, if I click "test sound", it doesn't echo any sort of sound
[05:21] <nickv111> markc: Yes. It's running right now
[05:21] <markc> nickv111> and master AND pcm are up ?
[05:21] <libben> is there any benchmark for linux ? i wanna test my passive cooling on my grafix card
[05:22] <nickv111> markc: Yes.
[05:23] <Eruantalon> How can I tell which version of flash firefox is using?
[05:23] <markc> nickv111> running jackd -d alsa as root should give some errors... it's pretty sensitive to  the audio setup
[05:24] <Zeusz> hello 2 all
[05:25] <markc> Eruantalon>  about:plugins
[05:25] <Zeusz> I downloaded a linux game from happypenguin.org
[05:25] <nickv111> markc: "cannot load driver module alsa
[05:25] <nickv111> "
[05:25] <Zeusz> and I don't know how to install it
[05:25] <Zeusz> it's a .run file
[05:25] <Zeusz> what is the command?
[05:26] <markc> nickv111> so if you lsmod | grep snd... do you get anything ?
[05:26] <markc> nickv111>  lynx -dump http://alsa.opensrc.org/aadebug.txt | sh 
[05:26] <bhna> Zeusz: open the konqueror in the directory. press F4. type in the console ./run
[05:27] <libben> anyone knows of any benchmark program for graficks card
[05:27] <nickv111> markc: Yes. All my sound modules
[05:27] <nickv111> markc: Mind you, sound plays fine with movies
[05:27] <markc> libben> glxgears ?
[05:28] <Zeusz> ./run ?
[05:28] <libben> markc: well, i need something to stress it. i need the card to be maxxed. i have removed the fan on it and putted a vga heat pipes on it instead
[05:28] <libben> so its passiv cooling
[05:28] <libben> no fans on it
[05:28] <libben> i need to stress it to see if the card gets warm
[05:28] <Eruantalon> markc: Why is flash listed twice? IS that because i have two versions installad that overlap each other
[05:29] <Eruantalon> http://pastebin.com/447320
[05:29] <markc> Eruantalon> not sure, I have only -> Shockwave Flash 7.0 r25
[05:30] <Eruantalon> Is that the old version?
[05:30] <Zeusz> it's not working
[05:30] <Eruantalon> i have r25 and r61
[05:30] <Zeusz> i'm in the console
[05:30] <markc> libben> I think glxgears winds the gfx card quite a bit
[05:30] <Zeusz> in the game's directry
[05:30] <Eruantalon> 61 is the one i downloaded from Macromedia just now
[05:30] <Zeusz> the game is named army.run
[05:30] <hugelmopf> Zeusz: what about entering "./army.run"
[05:31] <Zeusz> it says command not found
[05:31] <markc> nickv111> if you try xmms then you can switch between OSS and ALSA output drivers... perhaps the video program only uses OSS
[05:32] <libben> markc: what was it to type for the fps to show
[05:32] <hugelmopf> Zeusz: which files are shown in that directory (with "ls")?
[05:32] <nickv111> markc: Why would it be that xine doesn't play sound with my oggs or mp3's, then?
[05:32] <hugelmopf> Zeusz: maybe you have to "chmod +x army.run" first
[05:32] <nickv111> markc: It's the same setup
[05:32] <Zeusz> army.run
[05:32] <markc> libben> they show up in the console
[05:32] <libben> yeah but u need to type something these days
[05:32] <libben> just glxgears doesnt put a output of ur fps anymore
[05:33] <markc> libben> mine shows -> 4631 frames in 5.0 seconds = 926.200 FPS
[05:33] <libben> well. mine doesnt =) and i have the newest install. so maybe ur outdated =)
[05:34] <libben> i think u need to type glxgears -thisisnotabenchmark!
[05:34] <markc> libben> oh, I'm on gentoo trying to install kubuntu
[05:35] <libben> ooh =) then that explains it.
[05:35] <markc> libben> or -v 
[05:35] <markc> perhaps
[05:35] <markc> libben> well, I'm trying to install kubuntu on an external USB drive... I'm keeping the gentoo install
[05:36] <libben> well, after u succeed with that u will waste gentoo anyway =) atleast we hope so =)
[05:37] <markc> libben> maybe not... I used to run dapper and I could not get kde3.55 AND mythtv installed so I switched to gentoo
[05:37] <markc> 3.5
[05:38] <libben> glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark
[05:38] <libben> is the new command =)
[05:39] <markc> sigh, time to boot on that drive and see if that external !@#$% drive will boot kubuntu... see ya's
[05:39] <NeoFax12> Anyone know where I can get festival for Breezy?  It was included in the RC's, but not the final.  Nor is it in the repositories. 
[05:40] <hugelmopf> NeoFax12: festival is in breezy for me
[05:41] <NeoFax12> Did you get it from the CD?
[05:41] <hugelmopf> i don't know. CD or internet, not sure.
[05:41] <NeoFax12> If so, then why isn't it in the apt repositories?
[05:41] <hugelmopf> it is in my apt repository, even in breezy/main
[05:41] <hugelmopf> what does your "apt-cache policy festival" say?
[05:45] <NeoFax12> It states it is in archive.ubuntu.com.  Weird.  When I open adept, it does not show up.
[05:46] <hugelmopf> All state filters activated?
[05:46] <hugelmopf> and also all easy tag filters
[05:47] <_menza> here's a question you probably don't hear a lot in here
[05:47] <_menza> What's the standard game mode for Solitaire in the Solitaire game :\?
[05:50] <kkathman> hey PokerFacePenguin :)
[05:51] <hugelmopf> NeoFax12: did you find it? i just installed it, very funny that thing. had not seen it before :-)
[05:52] <MenZa`> What's the standard solitaire gamemode :o?
[05:53] <MenZa`> :'(
[05:55] <NeoFax12> hugelmopf: Thanks!  It is working great now.  Do you know where I can get other voices?
[05:56] <hugelmopf> NeoFax12: a few speakers are available via Adept as well, did you see them?
[05:58] <NeoFax12> hugelmopf: In adept I don't even see festival at all.  I just did sudo apt-get install festival.  I could probably just open the Packages file on my HDD and browse through them.
[05:58] <hugelmopf> you must have some filters activated in Adept, if you don't see it. you can also try aptitude on the commandline...
[05:59] <hugelmopf> NeoFax12: "aptitude search fest" should also give you a pretty complete list
[06:00] <kkathman> hi hussam
[06:01] <lamberto> ciao
[06:01] <hussam> hi
[06:02] <NeoFax12> hugelmopf: Thanks again!  You are just a well of knowledge.  You would think I would be too.  I have been using Linux since 1999.
[06:04] <lamberto> qualcuno dall'italia?
[06:05] <Zeusz> I'm back
[06:05] <Zeusz> which is the command for a run file?
[06:05] <Zeusz> my file is named army.run
[06:06] <LeeJunFan> Zeusz: chmod +x army.run && ./army.run
[06:06] <hugelmopf> Zeusz: you might have to make it executable ("chmod +x army.run") and then you can probably run it directly ("./army.run")
[06:08] <MenZa`>   I've installed the "3dchess" pack using adept, but how do I run it?
[06:09] <PokerFacePenguin> kkathman: hey, had stepped away
[06:10] <hugelmopf> MenZa`: It does not show up in the KDE menu? You should at least be able to run it with Alt-F2 + 3dchess, does that work?
[06:10] <MenZa`> Nope
[06:10] <MenZa`> Doesn't work.
[06:12] <hugelmopf> uno secundo
[06:13] <hugelmopf> try 3Dc
[06:13] <MenZa`> Oui ;)
[06:13] <MenZa`> 3dc?
[06:13] <hugelmopf> Alt-F2 + 3Dc
[06:13] <MenZa`> ah
[06:13] <MenZa`> works now
[06:13] <MenZa`> how do I get it in the kmenu?
[06:13] <MenZa`> Menu editor perhaps
[06:14] <hugelmopf> yes, if you find it
[06:14] <Tm_T> kappfinder
[06:18] <MenZa`> nope, it's not found there
[06:18] <hugelmopf> then you have to use kmenuedit to add it manually
[06:19] <libben> anyone heard anymore on the Oxygen icon pack?
[06:19] <MenZa`> hugelmopf: it's not in either of them
[06:21] <hugelmopf> MenZa: I meant, you will have to add it manually with the help of kmenuedit. You rightclick on the category where you want it (probably Games) and add the new item.
[06:21] <MenZa`> Oh, okay
[06:21] <l3m> i'm trying to setup a cvs repository using CVSD. Everything seems to work fine, except that when i want to checkout, i get "Cannot Access /project/CVSROOT", "No such file or directory". There is however a /project dir in the chrootjail-root, the dir is in cvsd.conf and i ran cvsd-buildroot... any ideas ?
[06:24] <vblanton> hello kubuntu folks!
[06:24] <MenZa`> lo
[06:25] <vblanton> is LeeJunFan around?
[06:26] <ep> Right click, Create New...   How do I get Odt (OpenOffice) text document to appear on the menu?
[06:27] <vblanton> hmm, i can't remember..
[06:50] <jrj123> Where can I get info on upgrading from Kubuntu 5.04 to 5.10, given that I have a 5.10 Install CD ??
[06:50] <sampan> !upgrade
[06:50] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[06:51] <sampan> jrj123  see the link ubotu posted :)
[06:51] <hugelmopf> jrj123: is it important for you to use the CD, or are you on a fast internet connection?
[06:51] <jrj123> Thankee.  I was looking for a pointer to something written.  Lemme look.
[06:52] <jrj123> I only have a slow dialup connection (using it now), so i would prefer to do a base upgrade using the CD, which I specifically burned for the purpose, then upgrade further patches online.
[06:53] <hugelmopf> ok, then you will have to add the CD to your apt repositories. I guess the easiest way is to use "apt-cdrom add"
[06:53] <jrj123> Unrelatedly -- I might switch, later, to Debian, but for now I'll stick with Ubuntu / Kubuntu.
[06:55] <hugelmopf> jrj123: which package manager are you using?
[06:55] <jrj123> (The change would be because I seem to be installing a lot of stuff from Universe, which I understand doesn't get support beyond that it's simply provided from Ubuntu Official Sources, e.g. security fixes / bug fixes, so ... as long as I'm going to do that, I might as well go to Debian.)
[06:56] <jrj123> Aptitude.  I tried the default KDE GUI one, but I had problems with it -- unsure if it was (l)user error, program inadequacies, or both.
[06:56] <jrj123> I'm finding aptitude working well for me.
[06:56] <kkathman> aptitude doesnt always work well
[06:56] <hugelmopf> @ debian/ubuntu: it depends, on what you are using it for. (K)ubuntu is great for the desktop and laptop, while Debian is great on the server.
[06:57] <kkathman> there are some bugs in it
[06:57] <kkathman> apt-get is probably more reliable for you
[06:57] <hugelmopf> @ aptitude: to me it seems better than the GUI one provided with Kubuntu 5.04 (Kynaptic?), but in 5.10 there is a new one (Adept), which seems a lot better then Kynaptic.
[06:58] <kkathman> hugelmopf: kubuntu is debian basically but kubuntu has a KDE shell...on a server you dont need that so straight ubuntu without the gnome would work very well for a server
[06:58] <jrj123> I haven't had a serious problem with aptitude yet, IIRC.  The only concern is that, somehow, very occassionally I'll hit some keystroke which makes aptitude think i want to ** UNINSTALL ** many many packages on the system -- this freaked me out at first, but I've learned to work around it manually.
[06:59] <kkathman> yes thats a serious bug...also, aptitude for some reason cant access all package in the repos
[06:59] <hugelmopf> kkathman: I know that, as I just installed Kubuntu here, after using Debian (AMD64) for a while. I just find, that Kubuntu is a lot more suitable on the laptop, which was not meant to say, it is not good on the server.
[06:59] <jrj123> I suppose if I'm going to need to do a dist-upgrade tho, I might be better off using apt-get (or whatever) rather than aptitude for *that*, at least.
[06:59] <kkathman> many times I have tried aptitude to install and it doesnt find a package, yet apt-get will
[07:00] <kkathman> hugelmopf: it works well on a desktop too (kubuntu)
[07:00] <wotan> hi
[07:00] <jrj123> kk: Huh.  I haven't had aptitude not find a package for me yet.  Tho ... I'm sticking solely with ubuntu-specific repositories, not trying to add on debian-specific reporitories as well.
[07:01] <wotan> I have problems with the touchpad in my laptop
[07:01] <wotan> anyone with the same problem?
[07:01] <hugelmopf> jrj123: the best procedure for you might be "apt-cdrom add", add the new breezy lines as in the Wiki, "apt-get update" "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[07:02] <hugelmopf> probably you can leave the new breezy lines out at first, as the cd should be able to cover its dependencies?
[07:02] <hugelmopf> wotan: which problems?
[07:02] <wotan> well, it works correctly
[07:02] <wotan> but I can't use the horizontal srolling
[07:02] <wotan> for instance
[07:03] <jrj123> Is there an easy command-line way to find out how many packages I currently have installed from Ubuntu Universe, as opposed to Ubuntu Main?
[07:03] <wotan> and I can't drag icons with double-click and drag
[07:04] <hugelmopf> wotan: is it a synaptics touchpad?
[07:04] <wotan> yes
[07:04] <wotan> in a toshiba satellite
[07:04] <jrj123> hugel: I'd agree, leave the new breezy lines out at first because otherwise I just bet it'll try to do half the dist upgrade using online files, and I don't want to risk that during the dist-upgrade.  Initial upgrade from locally mounted repositories (e.g. CD) _only_!
[07:04] <hugelmopf> wotan: i have not seen any ubuntu install, where the touchpad did not work, so i am a bit surprised. have you had a look at your /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[07:05] <wotan> yes, but I don't know what options I should set
[07:05] <GNAM> KONQUEROR is way better than firefox
[07:05] <GNAM> because it supports sftp
[07:05] <GNAM> this list my last discover
[07:05] <kkathman> GNAM no
[07:06] <hugelmopf> wotan: want to paste the touchpad section of your xorg.conf in http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/ ?
[07:06] <kkathman> Konq has alot of rendering problems on some pages that Firefox can render with ease
[07:06] <wotan> hugelmopf: i've just done it in pastebin.com: http://pastebin.com/447400
[07:07] <hugelmopf> kkathman: you can still use firefox for these. i don't have the impression these are so many pages
[07:07] <kkathman> browsers tend to be very personal issues...you use what you are comfy with :)
[07:07] <kkathman> I personally dont use Konq for anything
[07:07] <jrj123> I can't wait until I can run IE 5 on my new Kubuntu system.  Then, I'll be able to do *everything*!  That will be DA BOMB!!!
[07:07] <kkathman> but thats what linux is all about...choice
[07:08] <wotan> hugelmopf: it's the default config, I didn't change anything
[07:08] <kkathman> GOD why would you want to run IE !!!
[07:08] <kkathman> iccck
[07:08] <kkathman> kinda defeats the purpose :)
[07:09] <hugelmopf> wotan: i see. try to add the ZAxisMapping option just as it is in the configured mouse thing. should give you scrolling
[07:09] <jrj123> KK: Not just IE, but IE *** 5 ***.  Because getting to use IE 4 would be just too much to hope for...
[07:09] <wotan> ok hugelmopf
[07:09] <kkathman> ANy IE is evil
[07:09] <GNAM> jrjl23 I can't wait until I can run konqueror in windows
[07:09] <kkathman> GNAM you can
[07:09] <GNAM> not stuff of nerds
[07:09] <GNAM> i want an official port.
[07:10] <jrj123> GN: I bet you can do that now if you use ... I forget the name of it, but ... cygwin.
[07:10] <kkathman> its official..Konq is cross platform
[07:10] <jrj123> See if you can run it using cygwin.
[07:10] <GNAM> MAH
[07:10] <hugelmopf> wotan: you will have to restart your x-server for changes (logout/in)
[07:10] <jrj123> Hug: Logout, or reboot?
[07:11] <kkathman> im not saying you wouldnt have to work at it :)
[07:11] <kkathman> hehe
[07:11] <jrj123> Yes, you could restart the x server w/o rebooting, but, unless you need 24/7 uptime, why screw with it?  Go the MICROSOFT way!
[07:12] <hugelmopf> jrj123: i thought logging out should be enough, but probably you are right. restarting the x-server is a lot easier then rebooting though.
[07:13] <kkathman> I'd prefer NOT to go the microsoft way, thank you
[07:13] <kkathman> for anything!
[07:13] <hugelmopf> wotan: close all programs, logout of KDE, go to the console (Ctrl-Alt-F1), login and do "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart". this should restart your x-server
[07:13] <hugelmopf> after the changes to xorg.conf
[07:14] <jrj123> KK: It's only TRULY the MS way if you have to reboot 5 times in a row.
[07:15] <wotan> hugelmopf: yes, i know, but I'm doing other things :)
[07:15] <pussfeller> only 5 times? 
[07:15] <jrj123> Hug: Well, what I'm thinking is, if you need to update / restart the X server, that's independent of log in / out.  You could switch to another virtual terminal, log in on a console tty mode, and do a kill -HUP I suppose.  But, for something that fundamental to normal usage, unless you have some reason to care, rebooting is prolly quicker / easier / safer for most normal people, non sysadmin types.
[07:16] <brosio> exist a mirror with mozilla1.5 ?
[07:17] <kkathman> jrj why not just do a kdm stop and restart :)
[07:17] <jrj123> Ubuntu-specific mirror? I'd assume mozilla.org would have binaries if a final has been released yet, but they'd be linux general targeted.
[07:18] <jrj123> KK: Because, on my own, figuring that much out would take longer than a reboot, to be honest.  And, I'm not massively computer illiterate, like many normal people would be.
[07:18] <hugelmopf> brosio: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxNewVersion ?
[07:19] <dawynn> anyone have experience with sound recording in linux?
[07:19] <jrj123> Okay, it liked the apt-cdrom add.  I'll wait for the rest until I've closed all my currently open apps.
[07:20] <jrj123> I don't like the default kde terminal app in 5.04.  It's just not as stable as putty under windows seemed to be.  I get stray characters on my screen sometimes when I ssh.  And I don't like having to go to the menu to copy.
[07:21] <jrj123> Tho, the stray chars could be ssh-related, not terminal app related.
[07:21] <hugelmopf> i'll be gone in a second, so you'll have to help wotan out, when he returns ;-)
[07:23] <brodel> when I try to open a rar file using ark I get a message "The utility unrar is not in your PATH.Please install it or contact your system administrator." How do I "install it"?
[07:25] <jrj123> brodel: One sec on that Q.
[07:25] <dawynn> brodel -- check synaptic (or whatever you use to install packages).  Look for unrar-nonfree.
[07:26] <brodel> ok
[07:26] <dawynn> brodel: you *could* use unrar-free, but it is way out-dated.
[07:26] <wotan> hi
[07:26] <wotan> it doesn't work yet
[07:26] <dawynn> Doesn't work with recent versions of rar.
[07:26] <jrj123> brodel: Okay.  Use your favorite package manager to look for "unrar" package.  Add / install it.
[07:26] <brodel> ok. I installed unrar and unrar-nonfree
[07:27] <brodel> anything else I need to do?
[07:27] <dawynn> brodel: try to use ark on the archive again.
[07:27] <brodel> I did. Same thing. :\
[07:27] <dawynn> try exiting ark and restarting it.
[07:27] <brodel> do I need to tell ark where to look?
[07:28] <brodel> did that too (unless it's still running and I don't know about it)
[07:29] <jrj123> brodel: Do "which unrar", see if it's found.
[07:29] <jrj123> You should onlu need unrar _or_ unrar-nonfree, I assume they're functionally equivalent.
[07:29] <brodel> I did that at the terminal.. didn't give me anything.
[07:29] <jrj123> Do a "whereis unrar".
[07:30] <brodel> I installed one.. didn't work.. so I tried the other
[07:30] <brodel>  sudo whereis unrar
[07:30] <brodel> unrar:
[07:31] <jrj123> Did your package manager actually install the package successfully?  What manager are you using?
[07:31] <brodel> I used aptitude. It's served me well for everything else I've installed.
[07:31] <jrj123> What is in your $PATH variable?  Maybe you're missing an important directory.
[07:32] <brodel> how do I find that out?
[07:32] <flosoft> hey everyone
[07:32] <jrj123> echo $PATH
[07:32] <flosoft> how do I enable APM?
[07:33] <brodel> "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games"
[07:33] <jrj123> I get this from a whereis unrar, after installing it:  unrar: /usr/bin/unrar /usr/share/man/man1/unrar.1.gz
[07:34] <jrj123> Try doing ls -l /usr/bin/unrar
[07:34] <dawynn> try 'dpkg -l unrar-nonfree' or 'dpkg -l unrar', depending on which one you have installed.  Tell use what version.
[07:34] <brodel> ls: /usr/bin/unrar: No such file or directory
[07:34] <jrj123> Okay, you don't have it installed.
[07:35] <brodel> oh. I see why.. 
[07:35] <jrj123> Use aptitude, make sure it says unrar is actually installed.  You might want to uninstall and reinstall it.
[07:35] <brodel> No candidate version found for unrar-nonfree
[07:35] <brodel> No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed.
[07:35] <brodel> I didn't see that in the blur of text
[07:35] <brodel> the first time anyway
[07:36] <dawynn> What flavor of linux / ubuntu are you using?  Breezy has unrar-nonfree
[07:36] <brodel> that's what I'm using kubuntu 5.10. 
[07:36] <brodel> "breezy"
[07:36] <flosoft> how do I enable APM?
[07:37] <libben> how do i enable wines register? aka regedit
[07:38] <dawynn> brodel: do you have the universe / multiverse repositories enabled?
[07:39] <jrj123> dawynn: What's a multiverse repository?
[07:39] <jrj123> !multiverse
[07:39] <ubotu> repositories is, like, How to add repositories:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AddingRepositoriesHowto See !sources for example sources.list
[07:39] <brodel> I enabled something a while back. If I check using adept, will that tell me what aptitude uses too? Do they all use the same?
[07:39] <dawynn> I'm not quite sure what's a multiverse -- except in the Michael Moorcock sense :-)
[07:39] <jrj123> No, I know what a universe repository is, I added it already, just dunno what multiverse means.
[07:40] <brodel> I have universe
[07:40] <flosoft> how do I enable APM?
[07:41] <dawynn> looks like the rar stuff is in the multiverse.
[07:41] <dawynn> rar, unrar-nonfree.
[07:42] <dawynn> which makes me think that multiverse is much like the Debian non-US label.
[07:42] <brodel> do I want the backports one?
[07:42] <brodel> that's the only one I see that I can enable that has multiverse
[07:43] <dawynn> So, brodel -- update your /etc/apt/sources.list to include the multiverse.  Everywhere you have universe, add ' multiverse' to the end of the line.  Then 'sudo aptitude update' to get the extra repositories.
[07:44] <brodel> that worked. :D
[07:44] <brodel> thanks
[07:44] <brodel> well it's installing this time..
[07:45] <dawynn> jrj123, the Debian non-US stuff was reserved for things that were questionably legal in the US.  Like encryption type of things.  Maybe that's what Ubuntu is doing with multiverse.
[07:45] <jrj123> dawynn: Ya, I know about non-US.  Encryption and patent-encumbered.
[07:46] <dawynn> I take it back.  After looking a little deeper into Multiverse (using Synaptic), I think I understand a little better.  Hold on.
[07:47] <dawynn> Main is the actual supported repository.  Restricted is supported, but only useful for certain computers.  Using for computers that don't need the components in Restricted could damage your PC>
[07:47] <dawynn> Universe is non-supported, but still free.
[07:48] <dawynn> Multiverse seems to handle stuff that isn't really totally Debian-style-free.
[07:49] <dawynn> Examples: certain compression systems that may not have a totally free license, system emulators, etc.
[07:50] <brosio> why i don't have an kcontrol icon on kde3.5 i miss something ?
[07:50] <dawynn> the abuse sound effects, and nonfree portions of BSD-games are in multiverse.  you get the idea.
[07:51] <dawynn> Ok, what's the nicest way to turn off a sound server?  I'm in KDE, so I'm guessing its arts.
[07:54] <angasule> adept won't start, I don't get an error, it just starts loading... and nothing happens, I see a few instances of kdesu when I do a "ps -A", maybe there are previous instances of kdesu running adept that didn't close properly?
[07:55] <jesusfish> anyone know how to get the KDE 3.5 dev packages installed?
[07:57] <_jan> I'm looking for someone who has experience with setting up WLAN WPA-TKIP
[07:57] <l3m> brosio: you should have kcontrol, but anyway, you won't need it, since kubuntu has systemsettings instead...
[07:58] <l3m> ubotu: tell jesusfish about kde3.5
[07:59] <jesusfish> l3m: I have the KDE 3.5 packages
[07:59] <jesusfish> l3m: but the dev packages won't install
[07:59] <l3m> ah
[07:59] <l3m> sorry, misread
[07:59] <l3m> jesusfish: what error do you get? 
[08:00] <jesusfish> kdelibs4-dev depends on libfam-dev
[08:00] <jesusfish> for whatever reason
[08:00] <jesusfish> being as Kubuntu uses gamin
[08:00] <dawynn> So, where do we get the kde3.5 packages?  Can I just add something to sources.list?
[08:00] <EmmeNightNight> the upgrade wednesday or so completely eliminated my wireless card.  iwconfig shows no wlan0 not does ifconfig, it was there and working fine before.  Any ideas how to get it back?
[08:01] <kkathman> dawynn: I'd suggest wating untill it is released to the standard repos :)
[08:01] <dawynn> Any idea when it might hit the backports?
[08:01] <l3m> ubotu: tell dawynn about kde3.5
[08:02] <kkathman> dawynn: should be there in a few days
[08:02] <jesusfish> l3m: I just wanna build amaroK 1.3.6 packages, but I can't
[08:03] <angasule> I killed kdesud (the kdesu daemon, I guess), and now it works, but I'd like to know what went wrong in the first place
[08:05] <libben> anyone knows how to enable regedit in wine?
[08:05] <jesusfish> l3m: and to install fam, I need to remove gamin, and that will take most kde apps with it
[08:05] <EmmesHEMI> i do see it in the PCI list in KInfoCenter, just not anywhere else
[08:05] <l3m> jesusfish: hmm dunno. 
[08:06] <l3m> jesusfish: maybe file a bug, since gamin should provide libfam or other way round, so that you can switch them.....
[08:09] <EmmesHEMI> sorry, using dapper, should have said that..
[08:13] <hugelmopf> wotan: did you get your touchpad to work?
[08:13] <wotan> no, :(
[08:14] <hugelmopf> any changes?
[08:14] <brosio> l3m: i have only system
[08:14] <brosio> and there isn't anythig like kcontrol
[08:15] <wotan> no, I added that, but it doesn't work
[08:16] <l3m> brosio: you don't need that
[08:16] <l3m> brosio: in your kmenu, there's an entry "system settings"
[08:17] <l3m> brosio: click on kmenu. read all the entries. it's there
[08:17] <l3m> not in a submenu
[08:17] <hugelmopf> wotan: does "dmesg | grep Synaptics" tell you anything important?
[08:17] <brosio> on system i have only printer managment and wallet
[08:17] <brosio> belive me i don't have it :D
[08:17] <brosio> i what to known because...
[08:19] <ep> What's the simplest way to upgrade from Qt 4.0,0 to 4.0.1?
[08:20] <MenZa`> in the control unit, where can I find where I active/deactivate the mac os-ish topbar?
[08:20] <MenZa`> Nevermind, found it.
[08:20] <wille> how could i enable universe under the repositories list.....
[08:21] <hugelmopf> wille: Have you tried the "Manage repositories" option of "Adept"?
[08:22] <ep> Right click, Create New...   How do I get Odt (OpenOffice) text document to appear on the menu?
[08:22] <wotan> hugelmopf: no, it doesn't appear anything
[08:23] <wille> yes but i dont know how culd i enable universe..
[08:23] <wille> because im trying to install amule..
[08:23] <djk_> !repos
[08:23] <ubotu> [repos]  http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/AddingRepositoriesHowto - Official sources.lists here http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/969 (Hoary) or http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/2325 (Breezy) see also !easysource
[08:23] <MenZa`> ep: I'd like to know too :o
[08:24] <hugelmopf> wotan: that's strange.i pasted a different configuration suggestion into your pastebin, want to try that?
[08:24] <ep> We get a big enough lobby... and someone will answer!
[08:24] <wotan> ok
[08:24] <wotan> can you give me the url again?
[08:25] <hugelmopf> wille: it's as easy as adding the word "universe" to the Components section (which includes e. g. "main") in the "Manage Repositories" dialog.
[08:25] <djk_> ep: there should be an entry already, but if there isn't, right click, edit menu. the command for OOo2-Writer is    ooffice2 -writer 
[08:25] <hugelmopf> wotan: http://pastebin.com/447498
[08:26] <MenZa`> djk_: where is "Edit menu"? I can't find it :o
[08:27] <djk_> MenZa`: when you open the Kmenu and rightclick
[08:27] <ep> me either:)
[08:27] <wille> thanks
[08:27] <MenZa`> er.
[08:27] <MenZa`> When we right click, create new, "OpenOffice 2 Writer"
[08:28] <MenZa`> That's what we want :o
[08:28] <MenZa`> at least me
[08:28] <MenZa`> and I'm guessing ep want the same :o
[08:28] <MenZa`> wants
[08:28] <djk_> MenZa`: okay, as i see it, you don't have an OO2Writer entry in your KMenu ?
[08:28] <ep> yes
[08:28] <MenZa`> No, not the Kmenu
[08:29] <MenZa`> On right clicking on e.g. the desktop
[08:29] <ep> or in konq file browser
[08:29] <MenZa`> Exactly.
[08:31] <djk_> ep: MenZa`: ah,..mmh, i never use the desktop or konqui..so not really sure.
[08:31] <MenZa`> :o
[08:31] <MenZa`> D:
[08:32] <ep> I've got  an OO2Writer entry in KMenu | Office | OpenOffice.org2 Writer   This is not the same menu that pops up when you right click the desktop (or right click in kong)
[08:33] <musashiden> hmmm, how do i upgrade from hoary to breezy without having to burn breezy into a CD?
[08:33] <kkathman> !upgrade
[08:33] <ubotu> The guide to upgrading to breezy (5.10) is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BreezyUpgrade
[08:33] <musashiden> thank you kkathman
[08:33] <kkathman> np
[08:33] <MenZa`> Wow.
[08:33] <MenZa`> The OOo2 splash I downloaded is awesome
[08:34] <ep> :)
[08:34] <stupendo44> how can I record a sound that I am playing?
[08:34] <MenZa`> ep: Lemme show you
[08:34] <ep> ok
[08:35] <MenZa`> ep: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=29737
[08:36] <ep> nice
[08:37] <ep> I hope the state of Massachusetts approves ODF for state documents
[08:38] <MenZa`> awesome :o
[08:38] <MenZa`> hmm
[08:38] <MenZa`> where can I get "moodin"?
[08:40] <MenZa`> nevermind
[08:40] <MenZa`> now I just need to know how to install it
[08:40] <stupendo44> ep: it's not looking good on that... Some hotshot just took the wheel and isn't pro-OSS
[08:41] <stupendo44> ep: I think he fired the other guy or something
[08:42] <ep> sad they've railroaded the Mass. IT director.  Political stops being pulled.   Grassroot support needed!
[08:42] <stupendo44> ep: yup...
[08:42] <stupendo44> ep: I'm nowhere near ther
[08:43] <LeeJunFan> one thing decides politics - money, no amount of whining in the world will make it any different.
[08:44] <MenZa`> I'm compiling a moodin pack
[08:44] <MenZa`> in the instructions, it tells me to navigate to the dir it's in, then ./configure followed by 'make'
[08:44] <MenZa`> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop.
[08:44] <MenZa`> What do I do now :\?
[08:44] <LeeJunFan> the savings for switching to open source have to outweigh the bribe MS will make.
[08:45] <MenZa`> LeeJunFan: besides, OOo is better than MSOFFICe
[08:45] <MenZa`> ;)
[08:45] <MenZa`> So it's not just the fact that it's OS
[08:46] <musashiden> i wonder how long does it takes to upgrade :/
[08:46] <MenZa`> Anyone care to help me install this pack?
[08:46] <ep> Its not about Open Source, its about open file formats.  Its about leveling the playing field. 
[08:46] <MenZa`> http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5344 <- That's the install manual which I'm having problems following
[08:47] <MenZa`> ep: my bad :p
[08:47] <ep> http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/index.php?p=2204
[08:48] <Tm_T> how many of you would like to see flatout2 in linux?
[08:48] <djk_> what is flatout2
[08:48] <MenZa`> ubotu: moodin is a ksplash engine which can be found here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705 and instructions on installing can be found here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5344
[08:48] <ubotu> okay, MenZa`
[08:48] <MenZa`> !moodin
[08:48] <ubotu> I guess moodin is a ksplash engine which can be found here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=25705 and instructions on installing can be found here: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5344
[08:48] <MenZa`> good.
[08:48] <Tm_T> djk_: car race game
[08:49] <djk_> Tm_T: well then.. okay? i guess ;)
[08:50] <Tm_T> djk_: then mail to them and tell you are ready to buy that game (and others) if you they will be released to linux: bugbear@bugbear.fi
[08:50] <chaoticgeek> hi all
[08:51] <Tm_T> -you
[08:51] <djk_> Tm_T: uhyeah, i'm ready to "buy"..
[08:51] <MenZa`> psh, there's a reason I got linux
[08:51] <djk_> MenZa`: you didn't get laid and needed an excuse?
[08:51] <MenZa`> :<
[08:51] <djk_> ...worked for me...
[08:51] <MenZa`> lmao
[08:52] <MenZa`> Well, I thought I'd discover the wondrous world of *nix
[08:52] <musashiden> this channel is akward :\
[08:52] <MenZa`> and Ubuntu was where I started
[08:52] <jazwec> hi..please i have a problem..i have game in *.mdf file and i want to mount it to use with cedega
[08:52] <jazwec> could anybody tell me how
[08:52] <MenZa`> musashiden: I'm usually on 36 channels, if you think this is awkward, I recommend you not sticking your nose too far out
[08:52] <chaoticgeek> awakward does not discribe us
[08:52] <MenZa`> jazwec: #cedega
[08:52] <MenZa`> try talking to them :P
[08:52] <chaoticgeek> decribe*
[08:52] <jazwec> thanks
[08:52] <MenZa`> describe*
[08:52] <MenZa`> np
[08:53] <MenZa`> I always wanted to try cedega
[08:53] <MenZa`> For the past 3 days
[08:53] <MenZa`> :d
[08:53] <musashiden> MenZa`: whats the most akward channel this whole irc network has?
[08:53] <MenZa`> Well, I'm only on things such as openoffice, wordpress, gnome, kde etc.
[08:53] <stupendo44> jazwec: basically, you can't
[08:53] <MenZa`> On irc.ausirc.net
[08:53] <MenZa`> #dystopia
[08:53] <MenZa`> :\
[08:53] <MenZa`> That's weird
[08:53] <MenZa`> x)
[08:54] <stupendo44> jazwec: you have to convert it to an iso, and I haven't found anything that will do it
[08:54] <chaoticgeek> mkfsiso
[08:54] <musashiden> heh, i recommend you stay away from irc.deltaanime.net, the ircops in there are douchebags
[08:54] <jazwec> stupendo44 i found a program named mdf2iso but i dont know how to run it :)
[08:55] <MenZa`> lawl
[08:55] <stupendo44> jazwec: mdf is a alcohol 120% file, I believe. which doesn't run on linux even using wine
[08:55] <stupendo44> let me take a quick look, I'll see if I can help you otu
[08:55] <stupendo44> *out
[08:56] <jazwec> stupendo44 http://mdf2iso.berlios.de/
[08:56] <angasule> there is a program that can convert mdf files to iso, I tried it and it didn't work
[08:56] <stupendo44> jazwec: looks like from the website that it has to be compiled
[08:56] <stupendo44> jazwec: or not
[08:58] <stupendo44> jazwec: the website appears to be having trouble
[08:59] <stupendo44> jazwec: go to the console and run the program without switches. What does it say
[08:59] <stupendo44> long outputs put on pastebin
[08:59] <djk_> mmh, couldn't one use ctrl+i for italic in OOo?
[08:59] <jazwec> here you can download it: http://osdir.com/Downloads+index-req-viewdownloaddetails-lid-765-ttitle-mdf2iso.phtml
[09:00] <jazwec> stupendo44 how can i run it without switches? im linux-beginner
[09:00] <stupendo44> djk_: should be able to
[09:00] <stupendo44> jazwec: just without any options. just like "mdf2iso". switches would be like --help or something
[09:00] <MenZa`> "I've got something, and it goes thumping like this - all you need, is my uhn tiss uhn tiss uhn tiss.... I've got something and it goes thumping like this - all you need is my uhn tiss uhn tiss uhn tiss uhn tiss... Uhn tiss uhn tiss uhn tiss baby"
[09:00] <djk_> stupendo44: right, thought i had dreamt it. either way, i can't anymore but can't remember what i changed.
[09:01] <stupendo44> djk_: you're on kubuntu?
[09:01] <djk_> yes
[09:01] <stupendo44> djk_: check the shortcuts, if there is any. can't remember
[09:01] <djk_> stupendo44: they're fine.
[09:03] <MrGreen> Is sk98lin supported in kubuntu?
[09:03] <jazwec> stupendo44 just write: mdf2iso to console?
[09:03] <jazwec> or i have to use some command
[09:04] <stupendo44> well, you need to load a console first
[09:04] <stupendo44> then just type mdf2iso and hit enter
[09:06] <MrGreen> *bump*
[09:06] <stupendo44> MrGreen: not sure
[09:06] <stupendo44> never used it, what is it
[09:07] <MrGreen> network module
[09:08] <MrGreen> is there a netcardconfig in kubuntu?
[09:08] <sorush20> guys how do I find out here a manual for mondo backup has gone to ?
[09:08] <stupendo44> MrGreen: you can check ubuntu, that kind of thing would be either, I think
[09:08] <MrGreen> ok thanks 
[09:08] <MrGreen> I'm d/l kubuntu atm 
[09:08] <stupendo44> jazwec: what'd you get so far?
[09:08] <MrGreen> just wanted to check if I could get network running
[09:09] <MrGreen> been told that kubuntu rocks!!!!
[09:09] <stupendo44> I like it
[09:09] <stupendo44> especially with new kde3.5
[09:09] <MrGreen> apt-get update ?
[09:09] <stupendo44> it's not in official, but should be in kubuntu 6.04
[09:09] <MrGreen> ahh
[09:09] <MrGreen> ko
[09:09] <MrGreen> ok
[09:10] <MrGreen> ..... 
[09:10] <MrGreen> d/l 5.10 atm
[09:10] <stupendo44> there's a repo for it. it's easy enough
[09:10] <MrGreen> ok
[09:10] <MrGreen> I'll read up
[09:10] <MrGreen> thanks ;-)
[09:11] <brosio> a repository with windows media codec ?
[09:11] <stupendo44> jazwec: you still there?
[09:11] <stupendo44> brosio: I think w32codecs has all that
[09:11] <jazwec> stupendo44 yeah,,,im trying to use it..but i doesnt work
[09:11] <brosio> stupendo44: where i can fount it ?
[09:11] <stupendo44> jazwec: what are you getting
[09:11] <stupendo44> I got it finally
[09:12] <jazwec> stupendo44 i want to do iso or cue from that mdf file
[09:12] <stupendo44> jazwec: right...
[09:13] <stupendo44> brosio: can't remember exactly. I think videolan repo has it. and there another one. or you can find the standalone deb with google
[09:13] <hugelmopf> brosio: i think this one: "deb ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free"
[09:13] <stupendo44> jazwec: which file did you download
[09:13] <stupendo44> from the website
[09:14] <hugelmopf> brosio: yes, i actually am pretty sure about the above line^^.
[09:14] <EmmesHEMI> using dapper.  the upgrade wednesday or so completely eliminated my wireless card.  iwconfig shows no wlan0 nor does ifconfig, it was there and working fine before.  Any ideas how to get it back?  i do see it in the PCI list in KInfoCenter, just not anywhere else
[09:14] <stupendo44> jazwec: download this: http://download.berlios.de/mdf2iso/mdf2iso_0.3.0-2_i386.deb
[09:14] <jazwec> stupendo44 http://freshmeat.net/redir/mdf2iso/54376/url_deb/mdf2iso_0.3.0-2_i386.deb 
[09:14] <stupendo44> jazwec: I'll walk you through it
[09:14] <stupendo44> jazwec: can I pm you?
[09:14] <jazwec> yeah i have it :)
[09:15] <jazwec> sure
[09:15] <brosio> thx
[09:15] <hugelmopf> EmmesHEMI: which wireless card?
[09:16] <EmmesHEMI> hugelmopf dlink DWL-520+
[09:17] <EmmesHEMI> worked great since dapper flight 1 was released
[09:17] <hugelmopf> EmmesHEMI: you happen to know which chipset it uses?
[09:17] <EmmesHEMI> then one of these updates wacked it
[09:17] <EmmesHEMI> ack100
[09:17] <EmmesHEMI> acx
[09:18] <EmmesHEMI> when i have had probs before, it still showed wlan0 in iwconfig
[09:18] <EmmesHEMI> i just kept wacking away at it until it started
[09:18] <EmmesHEMI> odd it is not listed at all except as a pci device
[09:18] <EmmesHEMI> picked it up right away on the install "Configure the network"
[09:19] <hugelmopf> what about "sudo modprobe acx_pci" and "iwconfig"?
[09:19] <hugelmopf> can you see it then?
[09:19] <EmmesHEMI> FATAL: Module acx_pci not found.
[09:19] <EmmesHEMI> owconfig
[09:19] <EmmesHEMI> oops
[09:20] <hugelmopf> ermmm... look in /lib/modules/`uname -r`/drivers/net/wireless/acx/ ... is there acx_pci.ko?
[09:20] <EmmesHEMI> $ iwconfig
[09:20] <EmmesHEMI> lo        no wireless extensions.
[09:20] <EmmesHEMI> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[09:20] <EmmesHEMI> sit0      no wireless extensions.
[09:21] <hugelmopf> "ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/drivers/net/wireless/acx/"
[09:21] <EmmesHEMI> from konsole?
[09:22] <Tallia1Kubuntu> isn't there for kde a terminal similar to the quake style? always active and appear/disappear when i press a defined key?
[09:22] <hugelmopf> sorry, mispasted. yes from konsole the following: 
[09:22] <hugelmopf> "ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/acx/"
[09:22] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1Kubuntu, kuake
[09:22] <seth_k|lappy> I use it, Tallia1Kubuntu 
[09:23] <EmmesHEMI> joel@GODZILLA:~$ ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/acx/
[09:23] <EmmesHEMI> ls: /lib/modules/2.6.15-5-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/acx/: No such file or directory
[09:23] <hugelmopf> Talllia1: try yakuake, i think it is newer then kuake?
[09:25] <hugelmopf> EmmesHEMI: maybe there is something like an extra package providing that module? I am not running Dapper myself, so you'll have to do the footwork yourself. Try searching for "acx" in Adept.
[09:25] <musashiden> hey um, iam getting an error while upgrading from hoary to breezy
[09:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> seth_k|lappy: 
[09:25] <Tallia1Kubuntu> seth_k|lappy: tnx
[09:26] <Tallia1Kubuntu> seth_k|lappy: is that on repositories?
[09:26] <EmmesHEMI> thank you hugelmopf
[09:26] <kkathman> musashiden: what errors?
[09:26] <musashiden> Errors were encountered while processing:
[09:26] <musashiden>  /var/cache/apt/archives/perl-base_5.8.7-5ubuntu1.1_i386.deb
[09:26] <musashiden> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:26] <EmmesHEMI> hmm  in /lib/modules/2.6.12-9-386/kernel/drivers/net/wireless there is an acx
[09:27] <kkathman> did you update your sources.list and do a sudo apt-get update?
[09:27] <musashiden> yes
[09:27] <EmmesHEMI> guessing from what i have seen of linux so far, i can't drag and drop this to make it work?
[09:27] <kkathman> well it seems that I had some of those, but mine had to do with locale's
[09:27] <hugelmopf> EmmesHEMI: no
[09:27] <Tallia1Kubuntu> i want to ask you all another thing. I just transferred from italy to canada, and now my system clock is still in italy.. is there an elegant way to manage this and have the right time settings?
[09:28] <musashiden> well it is showing some locale errors
[09:28] <hugelmopf> EmmesHEMI: the module will have to match your kernel version _and_ it has to be compiled with the same compiler (at least in first sub-version) as the kernel
[09:28] <kkathman> those are ok
[09:28] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1Kubuntu, both kuake and yakuake are in the repos, try whichever you like
[09:28] <musashiden> any idea on how to fix this then?
[09:29] <kkathman> musashiden: has the install aborted?
[09:29] <hugelmopf> EmmesHEMI: Should you be running Dapper if you don't know basic things to fix your system?
[09:29] <seth_k|lappy> Tallia1Kubuntu, just right click clock & change time zone
[09:29] <musashiden> kkathman: yes
[09:29] <EmmesHEMI> no i should not
[09:29] <seth_k|lappy> haha
[09:29] <seth_k|lappy> honesty :)
[09:29] <Tallia1Kubuntu> seth_k|lappy: but all my files have rome timezone!!
[09:29] <EmmesHEMI> however, i am using the experience to learn
[09:29] <musashiden> and my webpages have stop working! X_X
[09:30] <Tallia1Kubuntu> seth_k|lappy: which is the shortcut to open the terminal 
[09:30] <EmmesHEMI> windows sysadmin (no flames necessary) trying to take the plunge into linux
[09:30] <musashiden> hey kkathman, let me show you the error, go to #paste
[09:30] <kkathman> musashiden: it looks as if your apt-get update didnt work
[09:30] <EmmesHEMI> learned windows by breaking it, 5.10 was not breaking
[09:30] <hugelmopf> EmmesHEMI: I am not complaining, just trying to help ;-) don't take it offensive, please.
[09:31] <EmmesHEMI> no offense at all! i appreciate it
[09:31] <kkathman> musashiden: please dump your sources.list in kubuntu.pastebin.com
[09:31] <musashiden> kkathman: webpages stop working for me
[09:31] <EmmesHEMI> freely admit linux noob, thought my other skills would transfer a bit better
[09:31] <EmmesHEMI> doh!
[09:31] <musashiden> go to #paste so i can show it to you
[09:31] <hugelmopf> EmmesHEMI: I don't know, why the acx driver module is not included in Dapper's default kernel (which seems to be 2.6.15)
[09:32] <EmmesHEMI> i will post on the forum and see if anyone replies
[09:32] <hugelmopf> did you find any package with that name?
[09:32] <EmmesHEMI> no
[09:32] <EmmesHEMI> did a synaptic search (they had to take away adept last week)
[09:32] <EmmesHEMI> acx:  no results
[09:32] <Tallia1Kubuntu> seth_k|lappy: i founded the shortcut
[09:32] <musashiden> kkathman: hello?
[09:34] <hugelmopf> Emmes: sorry, can't help there, if Google is not revealing anything. Glad that 5.10 didn't break anything for you ;-P
[09:34] <musashiden> i hate it when this happens, someone just leaves in the middle of the conversation >_>
[09:34] <kkathman> I asked you to please paste your sources.list
[09:35] <musashiden> you dont listen! my websites stoped working!
[09:35] <musashiden> nothing works exept irc
[09:35] <kkathman> and please be grateful, we dont get paid for this yanno
[09:35] <musashiden> iam greatful, but you are not listening to me right now
[09:35] <kkathman> are you able to get to your sources.list?
[09:35] <musashiden> yes
[09:36] <kkathman> please copy those and I will go to your #paste
[09:36] <kkathman> #paste
[09:36] <musashiden> thats what i said
[09:36] <kkathman> i mean
[09:36] <musashiden> but you need to join first
[09:36] <kkathman> hehe
[09:36] <kkathman> yes I know
[09:38] <EmmesHEMI> lol
[09:38] <kkathman> sigh
[09:39] <kkathman> musashiden: I need your sources.list please, not the errors
[09:39] <musashiden> kkathman: ok
[09:41] <kkathman> musashiden:  I already see your problem..you forgot to comment out the cdrom line.
[09:41] <musashiden> oh
[09:41] <kkathman> remove that line, and re-do your sudo apt-get update, and do the dist-upgrade again
[09:42] <kkathman> that should it.
[09:42] <kkathman> bbiab
[09:42] <musashiden> err
[09:42] <musashiden> still getting the same error :/
[09:42] <musashiden> >_<
[09:43] <hugelmopf> musashiden: mind pasting your error again in #paste?
[09:43] <musashiden> the error or my source list?
[09:43] <hugelmopf> first the error please
[09:43] <musashiden> ok
[09:44] <musashiden> join paste
[09:44] <musashiden> oops
[09:49] <jatos> hi
[09:49] <jatos> I need some help with samba
[09:50] <jatos> I have set it up as a domain server and set the login script variable under global to logon.cmd, which I have placed in the netlogon dir
[09:51] <jatos> but when I log on at on a win 98 laptop logon.cmd is not processed
[09:52] <jatos> this is reall stopping domain logins from working correctly
[09:56] <libben> how can i check my cpu tempature?
[09:58] <hugelmopf> acpi -t
[09:59] <cb_> How do I get my DWL-g510 d-link wireless interface working?
[09:59] <sorush20> guys I keep getting kate crashes any help ? http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5348
[09:59] <libben> No support for device type: thermal
[09:59] <libben> No support for device type: thermal
[09:59] <libben> hugelmopf: No support for device type: thermal
[09:59] <libben> sorry for the double post =)
[09:59] <hugelmopf> libben, then I dont know.
[10:00] <libben> k
[10:02] <hugelmopf> libben: have you "modprobe thermal"?
[10:06] <MenZa`> Is it possible to get amaroK to play .wma files :\?
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> !w32codecs
[10:07] <MenZa`> says w32codecs isn't in the repos
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> !tell MenZa` about w32codecs
[10:07] <MenZa`> ubotu's just a bit slow, Kamping_Kaiser 
[10:07] <MenZa`> :P
[10:07] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[10:07] <hugelmopf> MenZa`: "deb ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free"
[10:08] <MenZa`> that's the deb?
[10:08] <MenZa`> deb ftp://ftp.free.fr/pub/Distributions_Linux/plf/ubuntu/plf/ breezy free non-free
[10:08] <hugelmopf> has w32codecs
[10:08] <MenZa`> goody
[10:08] <MenZa`> thanks
[10:08] <lwizardl> hi
[10:09] <MenZa`> hugelmopf: http://paste.ubuntulinux.nl/5349
[10:10] <hugelmopf> MenZa`: you forget the "apt-get update"?
[10:10] <lwizardl> can someone help me with getting my mouse to work right
[10:11] <MenZa`> hugelmopf: nope
[10:11] <hugelmopf> MenZa`: you are on AMD64?
[10:11] <MenZa`> of course
[10:11] <hugelmopf> well, try to guess what the "32" in w32codecs tries to tell you? ;-P
[10:11] <MenZa`> :|
[10:12] <MenZa`> w64 codecs :\
[10:12] <MenZa`> ?
[10:12] <hugelmopf> you should remove the line I gave you above, as it will keep giving you these error messages otherwise.
[10:12] <MenZa`> okay
[10:12] <hugelmopf> is there even windows64?
[10:12] <MenZa`> yeah
[10:12] <MenZa`> Windows XP 64bit
[10:13] <MenZa`> :p
[10:13] <hugelmopf> official and working?
[10:13] <MenZa`> So, I can't play .wma files then?
[10:13] <MenZa`> Yeah, it is
[10:13] <MenZa`> Never tried it though
[10:13] <MenZa`> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/default.mspx
[10:13] <hugelmopf> you could try the videolan client, it has some codecs of its own
[10:13] <MenZa`> :\
[10:13] <MenZa`> videolan in the repos?
[10:14] <MenZa`> seems not
[10:14] <MenZa`> ah, vlc
[10:14] <hugelmopf> in universe
[10:14] <MenZa`> :p
[10:14] <hugelmopf> yes
[10:14] <MenZa`> I always speak of it as vlc
[10:14] <MenZa`> I have vlc iirc
[10:14] <hugelmopf> it comes with a few video codecs, but i don't know about audio
[10:15] <MenZa`>      deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main
[10:15] <MenZa`>      deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sarge main
[10:15] <MenZa`> I can just add in those :P
[10:15] <MenZa`> (They're for Debian, so I guess they're compatible?)
[10:15] <hugelmopf> why don't you use the one in universe?
[10:15] <MenZa`> hmm
[10:15] <MenZa`> I guess
[10:16] <MenZa`> just unquote the universe debs?
[10:16] <MenZa`> weird
[10:16] <MenZa`> they are unquoted
[10:16] <hugelmopf> don't you already find "vlc" in your package manager? this is all i was talking about.
[10:16] <MenZa`> oh right
[10:16] <MenZa`> sudo apt-get install vlc is working now
[10:16] <MenZa`> :P
[10:21] <lwizardl> dididn't work today
[10:21] <lwizardl> wrong window
[10:21] <hugelmopf> lwizardl: what is the problem?
[10:21] <MenZa`> hugelmopf: nope, doesn't come with a .wma codec :o
[10:21] <lwizardl> i have a 5 button wheel mouse
[10:22] <lwizardl> browser back, browser forward, wheel, left button, right button
[10:23] <lwizardl> browser back button is doing paste
[10:24] <lwizardl> browser forward is bringing up a copy/select all/find window
[10:28] <MenZa`> hugelmopf: I stated my question at ubuntuforums.org - let's hope someone knows for sure :o
[10:29] <hugelmopf> lwizardl: you haven't stated the problem yet, but sorry, i don't have any experience with 5-button-mice
[10:30] <MenZa`> lwizardl: Who fabricated your mouse?
[10:30] <PokerFacePenguin> MenZa`: sounds like one of those trackballs
[10:31] <MenZa`> Well, if it's e.g. Logitech, he should check if someone did a linux version of whatever their software, and same with MS
[10:31] <MenZa`> if not, try the mouse config in the control centre.
[10:31] <lwizardl> did that
[10:33] <MenZa`> hmm
[10:33] <MenZa`> then I don't think it can be helped to be honest
[10:39] <lwizardl> MenZa`: the mouse configure screen only shows a 2 button wheel mouse
[10:39] <MenZa`> odd
[10:39] <lwizardl> but the mouse works correctly in mandriva
[10:39] <MenZa`> There must be some sort of configuration tool or something to get then..
[10:39] <MenZa`> Try the wiki
[10:40] <MenZa`> http://wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:40] <MenZa`> and http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/
[10:41] <sorush20> guys I've just rebooted the computer and when I go the the storage media I can't see that my hdd's are mounted they are hidden any what I can make them appear again. this is a fresh install of kubuntu and on the initial boot up all the storage devices including the hdd's partitions were are present.
[10:42] <lwizardl> hmm seems gnome has option https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ManyButtonsMouseHowto?highlight=%28mouse%29
[10:43] <MenZa`> GDI I love Tab Mix Plus firefox extension <3
[10:45] <hugelmopf> sorush20: i don't quite get, what you are trying to do?
[10:45] <stupendo44> I'm trying to add a printer that I have connected to the parallel port, but it's saying invalid uri. What's the uri for the lpt port
[10:45] <sorush20> I'm trying to be able to see the icons of the mounted file systems that I have 
[10:47] <sorush20> I was able to see it in the last boot but now I can't see it can some one help please?
[10:47] <hugelmopf> ok. are you sure, they are already mounted?
[10:49] <MenZa`> What filesystems are they?
[10:49] <MenZa`> !mount
[10:49] <hugelmopf> rightclick on your desktop and choose the configure-option (i am on a german desktop, so i don't know the exact translation). under the section "behaviour" (?) you can choose, which device symbols are supposed to show up on your desktop: mounted things, unmounted things, etc.
[10:49] <ubotu> extra, extra, read all about it, mount is the command to add partitions to your filesystem - for full instructions see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingANewHardDrive. For mounting windows partitions, see !windowsdrives or http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[10:49] <hugelmopf> does that help, sorush20?
[10:49] <MenZa`> !windowsdrives
[10:49] <ubotu> methinks windowsdrives is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AutomaticallyMountMSWindowsPartitions or see http://tinyurl.com/bly9f
[10:49] <hunika> Hello Everybody
[10:50] <MenZa`> lo hunika 
[10:50] <hugelmopf> howdy jrj123, got 3.5 now?
[10:50] <MenZa`> We need http://tinyurl.ubuntu.com/?number
[10:50] <MenZa`> :p
[10:50] <stupendo44> I'm trying to add a printer that I have connected to the parallel port, but it's saying invalid uri. What's the uri for the lpt port?
[11:01] <MenZa`> stupendo44: I searched the wiki, but couldn't find anything
[11:01] <MenZa`> sorry :o
[11:01] <stupendo44> MenZa`: thanks for trying
[11:02] <hugelmopf> stupendo44: are you in the CUPS http interface or in kprinter?
[11:02] <stupendo44> probably kprinter
[11:02] <stupendo44> through system settings
[11:07] <hugelmopf> stupendo44: you might want to try http://localhost:631
[11:07] <hugelmopf> oops, seems like this is disabled under (k)ubuntu
[11:08] <stupendo44> I got to it, but I can't login
[11:08] <hugelmopf> same here
[11:09] <EmmesHEMI> question.  when kubuntu starts, it starts pcmcia, printing and a host of other things.  Is this controlled by some kind of file that can be edited?  Not a laptop and have no printer, so neither is needed...
[11:09] <hugelmopf> stupendo44: it should probably show your printer port in the list (under parallel), but it doesn't, right?
[11:10] <hugelmopf> Emmes: there are different runlevels
[11:10] <hugelmopf> the normal "multi user" runlevel is 2
[11:10] <stupendo44> well, I haven't added it yet...
[11:10] <stupendo44> so it shouldn't show, right?
[11:10] <hugelmopf> maybe
[11:10] <stupendo44> what can I check?
[11:10] <hugelmopf> Emmes: and in /etc/rc2.d/ you can create/delete links, which point to services und /etc/init.d
[11:11] <EmmesHEMI> thanks both
[11:11] <hugelmopf> they are called SXXservice, S meaning to load them and XX is the order they are ordered
[11:11] <hugelmopf> *started
[11:11] <hugelmopf> stupendo44: is the printer hooked up yet?
[11:11] <stupendo44> yes
[11:11] <EmmesHEMI> didn't want to use the "services" word.  everyone would know my propensity for windows...
[11:12] <hugelmopf> well, I used it b/c I guessed you know what i mean by that ;-) i guess here you'd call them daemons. but not everything in there is actually a daemon/service, some are just tasks that need to be run on startup/shutdown
[11:13] <hugelmopf> btw... the runlevel 0 is shutdown and 6 is reboot
[11:14] <hugelmopf> stupendo: i am not an expert in parallel printers, as i don't even have a parallel port on my laptop :-(
[11:14] <hugelmopf> when i last used a parallel printer, it worked pretty easily both with the kprinter as well as the CUPS interface
[11:15] <sombra> i cannot get ATI drivers to work... can anyone help about this?
[11:16] <EmmesHEMI> simply delete files like s19cupsys s19hplip and s25bluez-utils?
[11:17] <hugelmopf> or rename it to .S19cupsys
[11:17] <EmmesHEMI> ah
[11:17] <EmmesHEMI> even better
[11:17] <hugelmopf> and it won't get started
[11:17] <EmmesHEMI> if i were to make a directory called "unused" and drug them to there, would that also do the same thing?
[11:17] <hugelmopf> there is something like rc-update i believe
[11:18] <hugelmopf> dunno
[11:18] <EmmesHEMI> or does the os recursively look through the tree
[11:18] <hugelmopf> ?
[11:19] <MrGreen> just installed kubuntu but can I use lilo to boot it?
[11:19] <hugelmopf> why  do you want to?
[11:19] <MrGreen> well I'm used to lilo
[11:19] <brodel> what's a good ftp client for KDE?
[11:19] <brodel> I used gftp before I switched to KDE.. it was ok. Just need the basic stuff.
[11:19] <hugelmopf> konqueror?
[11:20] <MrGreen> all I get atm is busybox ;-(
[11:20] <lwizardl> whats the best sftp client
[11:21] <hugelmopf> MrGreen: if you choose "expert" installation, you can choose lilo i believe
[11:21] <MrGreen> emmm so I have to reinstall again?
[11:21] <boga> what's the best way to get the latest Kde 3.5?
[11:21] <hugelmopf> lwizardl: tried konqueror yet? sftp://user@host:~/dir/
[11:22] <djk_> !kde3.5
[11:22] <ubotu> kde3.5 is probably http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-35.php
[11:22] <hugelmopf> sorry, that is sftp:/user@host/dir
[11:22] <brodel> I can just try gftp I guess
[11:22] <MrGreen> is kubuntu configured to use grub then by default?
[11:22] <hugelmopf> sorry... first one was right i believe
[11:23] <hugelmopf> MrGreen: yes, it should have installed grub during the installation process. didn't it?
[11:23] <MrGreen> no
[11:23] <boga> ubotu, after adding the sources, what do I do?
[11:23] <ubotu> boga: Did you get hit by a windmill?
[11:23] <boga> nope!
[11:23] <hugelmopf> lol
[11:23] <djk_> hugelmopf: there's a question whether or not to install grub during installation isn't there
[11:23] <djk_> it's been a while..
[11:23] <MrGreen> I put no
[11:24] <MrGreen> hang on 
[11:24] <hugelmopf> hmmm, ok. you might be able to install or dpkg-reconfigure grub now then
[11:24] <MrGreen> I did let it install grub ... but I got erro 17
[11:24] <MrGreen> on boot
[11:24] <hugelmopf> brodel: why don't you want to use konqueror for your FTP needs?
[11:25] <hugelmopf> brodel: or use kate directly on remote files, in case you want to edit some files on a server?
[11:25] <MrGreen> real shame I was looking forward to using kubuntu
[11:25] <hugelmopf> MrGreen: is the package grub installed?
[11:25] <MrGreen> I'll check
[11:26] <brodel> I wanted an actual client that has a place for me to type in the username and password. I don't want to have to remember the syntax to enter it into the URL.
[11:26] <brodel> just want something I can use quickly.
[11:26] <MrGreen> yes
[11:26] <brodel> gftp worked though
[11:26] <MrGreen> grub-install ?
[11:26] <djk_> brodel: you could just check adept for whatever ftp clients the repos offer..
[11:26] <MrGreen> I'll read up ... 
[11:27] <MrGreen> been a while since I used grub 
[11:27] <hugelmopf> first check your /boot/grub/menu.list
[11:27] <MrGreen> ok
[11:27] <hugelmopf> in case it is not correct yet, try "update-grub"
[11:28] <MrGreen> looks ok
[11:28] <MrGreen> thanks for your elp
[11:28] <MrGreen> *help
[11:29] <hugelmopf> brodel: i think gftp is the best choice for that need. although i do like konqueror, as i have a mighty filemanager as ftp-client. it also remembers addresses and usernames/passwords, so it should not be less comfortable than gftp?
[11:30] <hugelmopf> brodel: at least give it a try: ftp://ftp.yourhost.com and it will ask you for a username/password, which can be saved. than you can turn on split mode for your window (Strg-T i believe) and you have a nice ftp-client.
[11:31] <hugelmopf> ^^ Strg-Shift-T that is
[11:32] <reagleBRKLN> in 3.5, where did the nifty control panel options for privacy go where when can flush caches and delete cookies etc all in one "clean up"
[11:32] <hugelmopf> brodel: then you can even save it as a View-Profile and you are set.
[11:34] <MenZa`> where can I get Macromedia Flash player for 64-bit architecture?
[11:35] <hugelmopf> nowhere
[11:35] <MenZa`> architechture*
[11:35] <MenZa`> oh shite
[11:35] <MenZa`> any alternatives?
[11:35] <hugelmopf> it ain't there ;-)
[11:35] <hugelmopf> not any serious ones. look for gplflash, which might work on one or two sites in the net
[11:35] <MenZa`> :'(
[11:35] <hugelmopf> but it still lacks a _lot_ (at least last time i tried it)
[11:36] <hugelmopf> but
[11:36] <MenZa`> better than nothing I daresay
[11:36] <hugelmopf> i didn't find a single flash site, where it worked, to be honest
[11:36] <hugelmopf> but
[11:37] <MenZa`> lol
[11:37] <hugelmopf> you can still install a 32bit chroot, install a firefox and flashplayer there and use that.
[11:38] <hugelmopf> i am quite new to (k)ubuntu, but i have been using debian amd64 for quite a while before, and this was the only way there.
[11:38] <LeeJunFan> yeah, it's not very hard.
[11:39] <reagleBRKLN> there's a picture of the kcm privacy module here even http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/kdeintro.shtml can't find it in 3.5!
[11:42] <MenZa`> checking for C++ compiler default output file name... configure: error: C++ comp                       iler cannot create executables
[11:42] <MenZa`> huh?
[11:42] <MenZa`> no compilers come with kubuntu?
[11:43] <MenZa`> just gonna install g++ then
[11:43] <MenZa`> Still can't create executables
[11:43] <MenZa`> am I doing something wrong?
[11:45] <hugelmopf> you might want to install build-essential, i think that should cover what you need
[11:45] <slow-motion> n8
[11:46] <MenZa`> hugelmopf: yep, I was told in #ubuntu ;)