| \sh | or I will mix tomorrow german, english, russian and scottish | 12:03 |
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| xhaker | \sh, do you have any type of admin access to revu ? | 12:03 |
| \sh | xhaker: sure | 12:03 |
| xhaker | you know russian? | 12:03 |
| spacey | i'm more surpised about scottisch actually :) | 12:03 |
| \sh | xhaker: no :) but my colleague is russian :) and his english accent is quite dangerous for non native english speakers :) | 12:04 |
| \sh | xhaker: and the other guy is a scottsman :) | 12:04 |
| xhaker | \sh, i'm asking you if you have "admin" rights, because of my package.. gtkwifi.. i waited but it doesn't get rejected.. :S and i know the checksums are bad | 12:04 |
| \sh | xhaker: looking... | 12:05 |
| xhaker | can you somewhat clean in incoming the gtkwifi stuff? | 12:05 |
| \sh | xhaker: now try | 12:05 |
| \sh | xhaker: source uploads only pls | 12:05 |
| \sh | xhaker: debuild -S -sa will do what you want :) | 12:06 |
| xhaker | done my friend :P | 12:06 |
| xhaker | uploaded | 12:06 |
| \sh | xhaker: can u create a non native package pls? | 12:09 |
| \sh | with a real orig.tar.gz? | 12:09 |
| xhaker | i'm the app developer.. the orig.tar.gz would be the dir usr | 12:10 |
| xhaker | or if you really want it that way | 12:10 |
| xhaker | tell me how to do it :) | 12:10 |
| tseng | make a tarball with just the code | 12:10 |
| tseng | and start with that | 12:10 |
| azeem | xhaker: unless it is Ubuntu-specific, it is still customizable to have a non-native package | 12:10 |
| azeem | s/customizable/customary/ | 12:11 |
| xhaker | i'm confused | 12:12 |
| \sh | xhaker: the easiest thing is to remove debian/ dir from the upstream source, create a new tarball...and dh_make it | 12:12 |
| \sh | don't add the debian dir in your source tree | 12:12 |
| azeem | if you do not do funky things, you can just mv foo-1.2.3.tar.gz foo_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz | 12:12 |
| azeem | where both don't include the debian/ dir | 12:13 |
| \sh | upstream sources should never have a debian/ dir | 12:13 |
| azeem | ... in a perfect world :) | 12:13 |
| \sh | azeem: ... which we don't have | 12:14 |
| \sh | another topic for "ubuntus motu school": "Why upstream sources shouldn't carry debian/ dirs around?" | 12:15 |
| tseng | sh++ | 12:15 |
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| \sh | well...we can carry on with this e.g. "why should upstream developer never write .spec files for rpm source packages" | 12:16 |
| tseng | we dont care about that | 12:16 |
| tseng | you might.. but its irrelevant to motu school :) | 12:17 |
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| \sh | tseng: for sure..but the topic is quite "distro independent" | 12:17 |
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| xhaker | \sh, no native package uploaded | 12:24 |
| \sh | xhaker: cool | 12:24 |
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| xhaker | ups | 12:26 |
| xhaker | this last change broke it | 12:27 |
| xhaker | :S | 12:27 |
| xhaker | got to fix it | 12:27 |
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| lllmanulll | Hey there, I'm trying to hack gnome-session, but I'm not sure how I can test hat I'm doing, since I can run only one gnome-session program at once, anybody already found a cunning way ? | 01:01 |
| lllmanulll | I'm working on the logout dialog, actually | 01:01 |
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| minghua | lllmanulll: Xnest? | 01:05 |
| lllmanulll | Ah, right :) I just hoped there was something simpler :) | 01:06 |
| lllmanulll | Thanks anyway ! | 01:06 |
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| backports-r-us | so is Dapper going to have GCC 4.0 or 4.1? | 01:22 |
| backports-r-us | I see 4.1 going to Universe | 01:22 |
| Nafallo | 4.0 | 01:22 |
| backports-r-us | k | 01:22 |
| backports-r-us | and has GCC Java speed improved at all? | 01:23 |
| backports-r-us | for some reason it's amazingly unresponsive under Breezy | 01:23 |
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| === backports-r-us notices reproducible OOo2 crash :) | ||
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| floam | are there any strange issues going on with dependencies? I decided to reinstall dapper, except with the flight 1 install, ended up with edubuntu stuff installed along with some KDE packages that normally don't exist. | 03:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | floam: kubuntu is a little screwy atm | 03:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | due to the c++ abi updates | 03:52 |
| floam | I'm not on Kubuntu. | 03:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/kubuntu/kde | 03:54 |
| floam | It was the regular ubuntu stuff, I wasn't expecting any KDE stuff | 03:54 |
| floam | ah | 03:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, oh. | 03:54 |
| floam | still, I don't think it should have been installed | 03:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you havent installed kde, then I dont know why you're getting kde apps | 03:55 |
| floam | like, I had even amarok an high-level applications | 03:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | at any rate, installing dapper might not be that good of an idea atm | 03:55 |
| floam | yeah, I gather. | 03:55 |
| floam | s/an/and/g | 03:55 |
| floam | there are wierd other issues going on, so I might need to reinstall breezy and dist-upgrade again | 03:59 |
| floam | this isn't my primary machine, so it isn't too huge of a deal. (though even if it were, that would probably not obviate my desire to test it) | 04:00 |
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| mojo | I just found on Garret's blog that there is a patch for Firefox 1.5 adopt the gtk-icon themes | 04:13 |
| mojo | http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/firefox/firefox-RC1-stock-icons-fe.patch?rev=1.1&view=auto | 04:13 |
| mojo | we might consider to patch that up with our Firefox package | 04:13 |
| mojo | or should we wait for Mozilla accept that patch? | 04:13 |
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| Amaranth | I'd say apply it now, wait for upstream later. | 04:19 |
| Amaranth | I have a feeling they want to keep sgarrity's theme across all OSes. | 04:19 |
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| levander | Anybody remember a project that I think was supposed to be done for breezy that was merging the livecd and the install cd so that they were a single cd? | 05:22 |
| levander | I'm just trying to remember the name of it so that I can look on the web site and see if they've reported any progress on it. | 05:24 |
| Amaranth | ubuntu express | 05:26 |
| Amaranth | it's now an official dapper goal, iirc | 05:26 |
| Amaranth | so that instead of shipping a live and install cd they can ship an ubuntu and kubuntu cd | 05:26 |
| levander | Amaranth: that project is gonna rock is they complete it, i'm sitting here waiting for a stupid livecd to download now so i can copy partitions over, i'm gonna go look up ubuntu express while i'm waiting | 05:27 |
| levander | thanks | 05:27 |
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| sistpoty | elmo: please sync quantlib from unstable, ubuntu override ok. Thx. | 05:36 |
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| fabbione | morning | 07:04 |
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| TheMuso | c | 07:20 |
| TheMuso | sorry... | 07:20 |
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| mdke | jdub, the ubuntu-doc-commits list hasn't been working for 24 hours or so, any ideas? | 11:33 |
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| hunger | Is there anything like the netinst CDs for debian in ubuntu? | 12:38 |
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| fabbione | yes there is | 01:06 |
| fabbione | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ | 01:07 |
| fabbione | hunger: ^^^ | 01:07 |
| fabbione | there are also for other arches | 01:07 |
| lifeless | hmm | 01:18 |
| lifeless | how buggy is hotplug/udev meant to be ? my CF drive has stopped working | 01:19 |
| HiddenWolf | lifeless, hotplug was removed a few days ago in favor of udev. it still has issues. | 01:19 |
| lifeless | yah | 01:20 |
| lifeless | put another way - is this a new one or old one ? | 01:20 |
| lifeless | and how do I debug ? | 01:20 |
| HiddenWolf | udev is new, but not yet debugged. ask #ubuntu-boot | 01:20 |
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| ProN00b | can anyone tell me how i can config oom-killer ? | 01:54 |
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| seb128 | slomo_: why do you splitted banshee only for ipod? is there a lot of Depends to get ipod working with it? | 02:00 |
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| fabbione | hmm | 02:17 |
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| doko | elmo, Kamion, mdz: please process the locales packages in NEW. getting testsuite failures in various packages due to missing locales ... | 02:41 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : is there anyway I could push someone to review my patch for bug 5288, because I'd like to do more .desktop files for all the program that have none... but I don't want to waste my time doing wrong things | 02:41 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : I've packaged the whole thing with the changed and it works great... but just have a more advandced point of view.... | 02:42 |
| seb128 | thierry_: the patch is probably wrong | 02:43 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : why? | 02:43 |
| seb128 | thierry_: you should install the desktop file from the install target/before running dh_desktop | 02:44 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : k, going to change that, anything else? | 02:44 |
| seb128 | out of this, this kind of bug should really sent upstream/to debian, we don't want to create hundred of package to maintained because we had desktop files | 02:44 |
| seb128 | you are shooting yourself to the foot by doing this change for Ubuntu only | 02:45 |
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| thierry_ | seb128 : ok, but the space-orbit package is not in the upstream list of ubuntu package (iin malone) | 02:46 |
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| seb128 | thierry_: doesn't prevent to send a patch upstream or to the Debian BTS | 02:47 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : and how do I send bug to debian? (not familiar at all with debian bug system) | 02:47 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : how do I send it upstream then? | 02:47 |
| seb128 | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting | 02:47 |
| seb128 | to send a bug to Debian | 02:48 |
| seb128 | for upstream, figure who upstream is (debian/copyright is an easy way for this) and send them the patch | 02:48 |
| seb128 | you can as well send it to Debian and let the Debian maintainer forward it if there is no upstream bug tracker | 02:49 |
| seb128 | usually the maintainer communicate with upstream | 02:49 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : ok I've sent the fixed patch to the bug | 02:49 |
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| thierry_ | seb128 : and how can I find the debian version of the package?? | 02:51 |
| thierry_ | to report the bug... | 02:51 |
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| siretart | thierry_: look at the changelog | 02:53 |
| siretart | thierry_: it is the last version which is uploaded to 'unstable' | 02:54 |
| thierry_ | k | 02:54 |
| thierry_ | thanks | 02:54 |
| thierry_ | sirestart : have you any idea of what I should change in a changelog of a ubuntu package patch (like for bug 5288) to make patch totally suitable for debian? | 02:58 |
| thierry_ | siretart | 02:58 |
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| jsgotangco | hey all | 03:00 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : even if it's only a packaging patch, do I really need to send it to upstream? I mean, the original upstream source doesn't have any debian directory right? | 03:04 |
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| slomo_ | seb128: because it can be easily split off and with the next release there will be at least njb support which i plan to ship in a separate package too... iriver support is planned also | 03:07 |
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| seb128 | thierry_: the desktop file should be sent upstream | 03:07 |
| seb128 | thierry_: no reason why upstream can't ship a desktop file | 03:08 |
| seb128 | slomo_: "easily split" is not a reason to create zillions of binary packages when not required | 03:08 |
| seb128 | slomo_: what does the ipod stuff trigs? | 03:08 |
| seb128 | s/trigs/pulls/? | 03:10 |
| slomo_ | seb128: each of this packages (i.e. ipod, njb, iriver) pulls in 2 libraries... i don't see why someone who doesn't have an (for example) creative nomad need to install libnjb and njb-sharp | 03:10 |
| seb128 | slomo_: because if every source package ships 15 binary package for every single possible option we are going to have a 10M apt index soon | 03:11 |
| tseng | hi seb, slomo | 03:11 |
| seb128 | hey tseng | 03:11 |
| slomo_ | seb128: ok... so you would suggest to add support for everything in the banshee package? | 03:11 |
| seb128 | if ipod support force to install like 150ko of libs I would not split but just force people to install that | 03:12 |
| seb128 | who care about some ko | 03:12 |
| seb128 | the number of binary packages has a cost too | 03:13 |
| seb128 | it's confusing, the index has to list everything, etc | 03:13 |
| slomo_ | ok, i'll do that with my next upload then... i.e. when i get an updated browser patch | 03:13 |
| seb128 | but still, it could make sense | 03:14 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : the patch has been sent upstream and to debian | 03:14 |
| seb128 | if the ipod stuff force you to install 10M of libs by example | 03:14 |
| seb128 | that's why I was asking what Depends does it force | 03:14 |
| seb128 | thierry_: cool, thanks | 03:15 |
| slomo_ | seb128: the dependencies for each of the packages would be fairly small... i didn't thought about it because i've seen many packages who split of small stuff with small dependencies | 03:17 |
| seb128 | like? | 03:17 |
| seb128 | anyway that's my opinion on the topic, other may disagree | 03:18 |
| slomo_ | muine for example... trayicon plugin splitted off | 03:18 |
| tseng | i disagreed with that | 03:18 |
| tseng | but look where that got me :) | 03:18 |
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| seb128 | slomo_: doesn't mean they made the right decision :) | 03:23 |
| seb128 | slomo_: can you active or not the trayicon from muine? | 03:23 |
| seb128 | that's a good reason to split | 03:23 |
| slomo_ | no idea, tseng? | 03:23 |
| seb128 | like we are going to split totem / totem-firefox | 03:23 |
| tseng | thats the reason | 03:23 |
| tseng | you cant disable plugins | 03:23 |
| seb128 | because the browser part is crappy and people may want to uninstall it | 03:24 |
| tseng | it loads anything in the plugins dir | 03:24 |
| seb128 | slomo_: but for ipod it doesn't hurt non-ipod users, it just force some ko of Depends | 03:24 |
| ProN00b | i wonder, why are you using totem as a default player ? | 03:24 |
| seb128 | because that's the GNOME player | 03:25 |
| seb128 | because it's nice | 03:25 |
| tseng | feel free to install many others :) | 03:25 |
| ProN00b | tseng, you say that if it was easy | 03:26 |
| seb128 | slomo_: BTW any reason to not hang on #ubuntu-desktop? :) | 03:26 |
| tseng | ProN00b: it is. | 03:26 |
| seb128 | ProN00b: clicking on a package from synaptic is not hard | 03:26 |
| ProN00b | as soon as i get a new video format i got to change the open with thingy to my player | 03:26 |
| ProN00b | otherwise everything is opened with totem | 03:27 |
| seb128 | right, it's the default player | 03:27 |
| slomo_ | seb128: oh, yes ;) i was at my ibook the last days and forget to add it to autojoin at my other machine | 03:27 |
| tseng | is -desktop alive now? | 03:27 |
| ProN00b | and there is no gui way to choose another default player, and the way to change open with from console is hidden so good i can't find it | 03:28 |
| seb128 | tseng: the IRC chan is quite active, mostly dholbach/mvo/zyga/mdke speaking during the week though :) | 03:28 |
| seb128 | ie: not a lot of new people coming | 03:28 |
| seb128 | ProN00b: right click on a file, properties, open with to change the default for your user | 03:29 |
| seb128 | ProN00b: edit /etc/gnome/defaults.list and s/totem/<your_player>/ to change for the box | 03:29 |
| ProN00b | big thanks for the second info | 03:31 |
| ProN00b | but you should consider making a gui app to do that | 03:31 |
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| seb128 | hey zyga :) | 03:32 |
| seb128 | zyga: you deserve it with all the work you do ;) | 03:32 |
| zyga | nah, I'm just loud ;] | 03:32 |
| seb128 | ProN00b: right, an UI would be nice, as always contributions are welcome :) | 03:32 |
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| ProN00b | if i already changed the defaults, where are the changes ? | 03:36 |
| zyga | seb128: how hermetic is gtk+ upstream? | 03:37 |
| seb128 | "hermetic"? | 03:37 |
| tseng | zyga: they dont bite | 03:37 |
| zyga | :-) | 03:37 |
| tseng | seb128: reclusive and weird | 03:37 |
| zyga | how easy it to come in and contribute/disturb something ;) | 03:38 |
| seb128 | they are nice on IRC and responsive | 03:38 |
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| seb128 | depending of how you act and what kind of distrubance | 03:38 |
| zyga | I'd like to improve memory performance proably | 03:38 |
| zyga | I don't like all the string creation/copying that happens in programs all the time (I'm not talking about the libs right now) | 03:39 |
| seb128 | if you don't speak about the lib you don't care about gtk upstream :) | 03:39 |
| seb128 | every app has its upstream | 03:39 |
| zyga | maybe things meld a little too much in my mind | 03:40 |
| zyga | gnome+gtk+gnome+apps | 03:40 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : when I add a ubuntu bug to debian, do I need to link the ubuntu bug with "link to other bugtracker"? | 03:45 |
| tseng | yes | 03:46 |
| jsgotangco | hey tseng | 03:46 |
| tseng | hi jerome | 03:47 |
| seb128 | thierry_: better to do it so we can follow what Debian does about the bug | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | tseng: i send my regards to you from seoul: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/69674600/ | 03:48 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:48 |
| tseng | silly asians | 03:49 |
| tseng | http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/69668393/in/photostream/ | 03:49 |
| jsgotangco | yeah | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 03:50 |
| jsgotangco | :P | 03:50 |
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| jsgotangco | that mozilla guy was really cool | 03:50 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : the upstream maintainer of space-orbit package (steve1@genesis.nred.ma.us) , has no valid e-mail and his website (in the copyright file) doesn't exist... | 03:55 |
| jsgotangco | tseng: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/69677766/ | 03:56 |
| seb128 | thierry_: don't bother, as said the Debian maintainer can forward and probably knows how to forward patches if there is an active upstream working on the software | 03:57 |
| tseng | jsgotangco: game store? | 03:57 |
| seb128 | thierry_: other way the patch can just be shipped by Debian so we continue to sync from them and don't have extra work | 03:57 |
| jsgotangco | tseng: its a convenience store | 03:58 |
| jsgotangco | (pretty popular) | 03:58 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : do you say that the best way to save work would be to make the changes for debian and them wait to sync with them? | 04:01 |
| thierry_ | then wait* | 04:02 |
| seb128 | exactly | 04:02 |
| seb128 | Debian or upstream | 04:02 |
| seb128 | better to fix that upstream, so everybody get it for free | 04:03 |
| seb128 | ie: for stuff like GNOME apps put a bug on bugzilla.gnome.org | 04:03 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : yeah but does .desktop file bug should be added on bugzilla.gnome.org ? | 04:03 |
| seb128 | for stuff using bugzilla.gnome.org | 04:04 |
| seb128 | which is not the case for space-orbit | 04:04 |
| seb128 | but for gnome-system-tools by example yep | 04:04 |
| Seveas | Kamion, are you around perhaps? | 04:05 |
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| mojo | i am just wondering | 04:08 |
| mojo | really wondering if the Tab Reorder thing like this http://macromates.com/images/inline/tabs.gif is GTK's lib code or Gedit or propreitary code? | 04:08 |
| thierry_ | seb128 : so all the bugs I opened about absolute icon path thing about gnome products should also be reported in bugzilla.gnome.org and then link malone to it? | 04:09 |
| seb128 | thierry_: correct | 04:09 |
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| seb128 | mojo: you gif is not GTK | 04:10 |
| trevilor | hi guys | 04:10 |
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| mojo | seb128: i know, i am thinking if that feature is not availalbe in GTK SDK yet, then I will suggest 1 or write 1 my own | 04:12 |
| mojo | seb128: my screenshot is from TextMate of MacOSX, if GTK Tab can do the same, it'd be nice | 04:12 |
| seb128 | mojo: what? transparency? | 04:12 |
| mojo | seb128: no, tab moving | 04:13 |
| mojo | seb128: not transparency | 04:13 |
| mojo | seb128: you can reorder the tab, isn't that nice? | 04:13 |
| seb128 | you can do the same with GTK | 04:13 |
| mojo | seb128: check website http://macromates.com/ | 04:13 |
| seb128 | try with epiphany-browser | 04:13 |
| mojo | seb128: really? | 04:13 |
| mojo | seb128: let me see epihpany | 04:13 |
| mojo | seb128: cool, my mistake, it's not in Gedit yet, i will suggest this with gedit team | 04:14 |
| azeem | you cannot with gnome-terminal | 04:14 |
| azeem | would be nice if that was a general feature | 04:14 |
| mojo | azeem: some ppl hate gnome-terminal with tab-close and tab-reorder | 04:15 |
| azeem | mojo: hate? | 04:15 |
| mojo | ofcoz, it'd be nice if it's general code | 04:15 |
| HiddenWolf | I'd rather see gnome-terminal trimmed down. rather than bloated more. :) | 04:15 |
| azeem | HiddenWolf: let's assume this would be general GTK code | 04:15 |
| mojo | azeem: yes, hate, for example : let see... dobey from Novell, Tango project, very good coder | 04:15 |
| HiddenWolf | mojo, he wouldn't have to use it. :) | 04:16 |
| azeem | mojo: so he hates tab-reorder for gnome-terminal but not epiphany? | 04:16 |
| mojo | HiddenWolf: i know, I told him, if he doesn't like it, feel free to use alternative, but that guy is also main coder of gnome-terminal | 04:16 |
| azeem | mojo: or is that the reason why hacks on that gtkhtml browser? (that's him, no?) | 04:16 |
| mojo | azeem: thats him!! the guy with gtkhtml patch for icon | 04:17 |
| seb128 | http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73240 | 04:21 |
| azeem | seb128: thanks | 04:24 |
| seb128 | np | 04:24 |
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| mdke | anyone know why the ubuntu-doc-commits mailing list isn't working? | 04:58 |
| mdke | afaics, the breezy-changes list is down too (or maybe just the archive?) | 04:58 |
| mdke | Znarl, elmo ? ^^ | 04:58 |
| mdke | assuming you guys work weekends :) | 04:59 |
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| mdke | that's a shame | 05:19 |
| mdke | oh no my bad | 05:22 |
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| squirrelpimp | hi developers... | 07:43 |
| zyga | hi | 07:43 |
| squirrelpimp | can i annoy you with an obvious bug? | 07:43 |
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| zyga | squirrelpimp: bugzilla/malone is the one to bug | 07:43 |
| squirrelpimp | i knew one would say that... | 07:44 |
| squirrelpimp | it's related to libpam-ssh and gdm and hotplug. any hearings about those during the last time... | 07:44 |
| zyga | sorry I'm more -desktop kind of person | 07:44 |
| LaserJock | squirrelpimp: is that on Breezy? | 07:45 |
| squirrelpimp | yo... | 07:46 |
| squirrelpimp | it is... | 07:46 |
| squirrelpimp | LaserJock: i added libpam-ssh support to pam.d/gdm to get my key loaded at login and not hotplugging of usb-disks stopped working.. | 07:46 |
| squirrelpimp | also the default system language changed... | 07:47 |
| HiddenWolf | squirrelpimp, file bugs | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't I can't really help you. I was just going to say that in Dapper hotplug has been removed. I would really check bugzilla.ubuntu.com or launchpad.net/malone/ | 07:49 |
| squirrelpimp | are those the same? I only know bugzilla... | 07:49 |
| LaserJock | squirrelpimp: they are not the same | 07:49 |
| squirrelpimp | then why two?? | 07:50 |
| LaserJock | bugzilla will be replaced by malone eventually but for now you probably want to try both | 07:50 |
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| squirrelpimp | pam is so bad... i think the developer had sasl in mind when doing it... | 07:52 |
| squirrelpimp | after logging in a /etc/init.d/hotplug restart solves it... | 07:54 |
| squirrelpimp | but that's a bug anyways... | 07:54 |
| squirrelpimp | i'll file one..... | 07:54 |
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| nico8481 | hello | 08:28 |
| desrt | good morning | 08:29 |
| nico8481 | morning? where do you live? :) 8:30PM here (BE) | 08:30 |
| desrt | 2:30PM here. i am not overly concerned. | 08:30 |
| ajmitch | morning | 08:31 |
| nico8481 | i'd like to buy a laptop and install ubuntu on it, any idea which ones are the best supported (hp? apple?) | 08:31 |
| neuralis | nico8481: that's a question for #ubuntu, but see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam | 08:32 |
| nico8481 | ah... saw this channel on the "ubuntu laptop team" webpage but well... on my way to #ubuntu then... | 08:32 |
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| ploum | Hi | 09:57 |
| ploum | I thinking about writing a spec proposal about window's buttons in metacity | 09:58 |
| ploum | http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13305 | 09:58 |
| ploum | Can anyone write a spec ? | 09:58 |
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| HiddenWolf | ploum, best take that upstream. | 09:58 |
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| ploum | HiddenWolf, why upstream ? It's just about the theme | 10:00 |
| ploum | ( HiddenWolf : nog jij ;-) ) | 10:01 |
| HiddenWolf | ploum, hm, you can make a spec anyway, but chances are greater if you raise the issue upstream. There has been some focus on accesibility on the gnome-devel list. | 10:01 |
| ploum | HiddenWolf, I will talk about it upstream | 10:04 |
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| ploum | HiddenWolf, by the way, how can I make a spec ? | 10:06 |
| HiddenWolf | ploum, write a wiki page using the spectemplate, then register it on the specs component of launchpad, and lobby to have it reviewed and approved. | 10:07 |
| ploum | ah ! | 10:07 |
| ploum | thx :-) | 10:07 |
| HiddenWolf | just take a look at the others to see what's required. | 10:08 |
| ploum | I just discovered the SpecSpec page :-) | 10:09 |
| Kamion | remember that the main reason the core development team writes up specifications is in order to coordinate resourcing of those of us who're paid to work on Ubuntu | 10:26 |
| Kamion | you're not obliged to have a spec in order to get something done, although the process of writing one up may certainly help you to gather your thoughts | 10:27 |
| tseng | jdub: http://primates.ximian.com/~jimmac/product-design/desktop/desktop-applets-search.png < Holmes mock up reveals pantsless jdub, news at 11 | 10:28 |
| HiddenWolf | tseng, that is one sweet theme | 10:33 |
| tseng | its a mockup | 10:33 |
| HiddenWolf | sweet none the less. | 10:33 |
| HiddenWolf | Altho I'd kill anyone who dared touching my top menu. :) | 10:33 |
| tseng | most of the stuff in that directory is a mix of "notifications done right" "osx goodies" and "gnome3 ideas" | 10:33 |
| HiddenWolf | *chuckle* | 10:34 |
| HiddenWolf | Well, start coding already. ;) | 10:34 |
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| ploum | I wrote this first draft : | 10:40 |
| ploum | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MetacityDefaultTheme | 10:40 |
| ploum | Kamion, can you tell me if it can be a spec. If not , I will simply delete this page | 10:41 |
| Tm_T | "Two very different buttons are just next the other : maximise, wich only has a minor impact on your work and" ...and ? | 10:42 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 10:42 |
| ploum | oops ;-) | 10:42 |
| Tm_T | but seems good to me | 10:42 |
| Kamion | ploum: it can be, it does not have to be | 10:43 |
| Kamion | that's all | 10:43 |
| ploum | Kamion, ok. It's just it will maybe help to discuss it as a spec. | 10:44 |
| ploum | The bug in bugzilla has no support at all | 10:45 |
| ploum | I even tried to talk about it on the desktop list | 10:45 |
| ploum | nobody seems to bother | 10:45 |
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| ploum | (and as I often work with people with disabilities or with old people, I find it important enough) | 10:46 |
| ploum | (at least to discuss) | 10:46 |
| ploum | but now, how can I register it as a spec on Launchpad ? | 10:46 |
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| Kamion | I'd recommend leaving it just on the wiki for the moment | 10:50 |
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| Kamion | the launchpad spec tracker is still not entirely suitable for wiki-mode additions except during conferences, imho | 10:51 |
| ploum | Kamion, ok, no problem | 10:51 |
| ploum | thanks for your help | 10:51 |
| ploum | (and sorry for being a bit "intrusive") | 10:52 |
| ploum | Have a nice day everyone | 10:52 |
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| Aegir | Hmm. My applications menu is absolutly forked. | 10:56 |
| Aegir | Giving me a chance to learn to love the deskbar applet, however :D | 10:56 |
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| HiddenWolf | Kamion, any idea when we'll be rid of bugzilla? | 11:01 |
| Kamion | HiddenWolf: no | 11:01 |
| Kamion | ("soon" is the official answer I suspect) | 11:02 |
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| HiddenWolf | Kamion, any idea then what's the holdup? | 11:06 |
| Kamion | I don't; I've had almost no involvement with that project, sorry | 11:10 |
| HiddenWolf | ok, cool. | 11:13 |
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