[12:03] <\sh> or I will mix tomorrow german, english, russian and scottish
[12:03] <xhaker> \sh, do you have any type of admin access to revu ?
[12:03] <\sh> xhaker: sure
[12:03] <xhaker> you know russian?
[12:03] <spacey> i'm more surpised about scottisch actually :)
[12:04] <\sh> xhaker: no :) but my colleague is russian :) and his english accent is quite dangerous for non native english speakers :)
[12:04] <\sh> xhaker: and the other guy is a scottsman :)
[12:04] <xhaker> \sh, i'm asking you if you have "admin" rights, because of my package.. gtkwifi.. i waited but it doesn't get rejected.. :S and i know the checksums are bad
[12:05] <\sh> xhaker: looking...
[12:05] <xhaker> can you somewhat clean in incoming the gtkwifi stuff?
[12:05] <\sh> xhaker: now try
[12:05] <\sh> xhaker: source uploads only pls
[12:06] <\sh> xhaker: debuild -S -sa will do what you want :)
[12:06] <xhaker> done my friend :P
[12:06] <xhaker> uploaded
[12:09] <\sh> xhaker: can u create a non native package pls?
[12:09] <\sh> with a real orig.tar.gz?
[12:10] <xhaker> i'm the app developer.. the orig.tar.gz would be the dir usr
[12:10] <xhaker> or if you really want it that way
[12:10] <xhaker> tell me how to do it :)
[12:10] <tseng> make a tarball with just the code
[12:10] <tseng> and start with that
[12:10] <azeem> xhaker: unless it is Ubuntu-specific, it is still customizable to have a non-native package
[12:11] <azeem> s/customizable/customary/
[12:12] <xhaker> i'm confused
[12:12] <\sh> xhaker: the easiest thing is to remove debian/ dir from the upstream source, create a new tarball...and dh_make it
[12:12] <\sh> don't add the debian dir in your source tree
[12:12] <azeem> if you do not do funky things, you can just mv foo-1.2.3.tar.gz foo_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz
[12:13] <azeem> where both don't include the debian/ dir
[12:13] <\sh> upstream sources should never have a debian/ dir
[12:13] <azeem> ... in a perfect world :)
[12:14] <\sh> azeem: ... which we don't have 
[12:15] <\sh> another topic for "ubuntus motu school": "Why upstream sources shouldn't carry debian/ dirs around?" 
[12:15] <tseng> sh++
[12:16] <\sh> well...we can carry on with this e.g. "why should upstream developer never write .spec files for rpm source packages"
[12:16] <tseng> we dont care about that
[12:17] <tseng> you might.. but its irrelevant to motu school :)
[12:17] <\sh> tseng: for sure..but the topic is quite "distro independent" 
[12:24] <xhaker> \sh, no native package uploaded
[12:24] <\sh> xhaker: cool
[12:26] <xhaker> ups
[12:27] <xhaker> this last change broke it
[12:27] <xhaker> :S
[12:27] <xhaker> got to fix it
[01:01] <lllmanulll> Hey there, I'm trying to hack gnome-session, but I'm not sure how I can test hat I'm doing, since I can run only one gnome-session program at once, anybody already found a cunning way ?
[01:01] <lllmanulll> I'm working on the logout dialog, actually
[01:05] <minghua> lllmanulll: Xnest?
[01:06] <lllmanulll> Ah, right :) I just hoped there was something simpler :)
[01:06] <lllmanulll> Thanks anyway !
[01:22] <backports-r-us> so is Dapper going to have GCC 4.0 or 4.1?
[01:22] <backports-r-us> I see 4.1 going to Universe
[01:22] <Nafallo> 4.0
[01:22] <backports-r-us> k
[01:23] <backports-r-us> and has GCC Java speed improved at all?
[01:23] <backports-r-us> for some reason it's amazingly unresponsive under Breezy
[03:51] <floam> are there any strange issues going on with dependencies? I decided to reinstall dapper, except with the flight 1 install, ended up with edubuntu stuff installed along with some KDE packages that normally don't exist.
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> floam: kubuntu is a little screwy atm
[03:52] <Diablo-D3> due to the c++ abi updates
[03:54] <floam> I'm not on Kubuntu.
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> s/kubuntu/kde
[03:54] <floam> It was the regular ubuntu stuff, I wasn't expecting any KDE stuff
[03:54] <floam> ah
[03:54] <Diablo-D3> er, oh.
[03:55] <floam> still, I don't think it should have been installed
[03:55] <Diablo-D3> if you havent installed kde, then I dont know why you're getting kde apps
[03:55] <floam> like, I had even amarok an high-level applications
[03:55] <Diablo-D3> at any rate, installing dapper might not be that good of an idea atm
[03:55] <floam> yeah, I gather.
[03:55] <floam> s/an/and/g
[03:59] <floam> there are wierd other issues going on, so I might need to reinstall breezy and dist-upgrade again
[04:00] <floam> this isn't my primary machine, so it isn't too huge of a deal. (though even if it were, that would probably not obviate my desire to test it)
[04:13] <mojo> I just found on Garret's blog that there is a patch for Firefox 1.5 adopt the gtk-icon themes
[04:13] <mojo> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/devel/firefox/firefox-RC1-stock-icons-fe.patch?rev=1.1&view=auto
[04:13] <mojo> we might consider to patch that up with our Firefox package
[04:13] <mojo> or should we wait for Mozilla accept that patch?
[04:19] <Amaranth> I'd say apply it now, wait for upstream later.
[04:19] <Amaranth> I have a feeling they want to keep sgarrity's theme across all OSes.
[05:22] <levander> Anybody remember a project that I think was supposed to be done for breezy that was merging the livecd and the install cd so that they were a single cd?
[05:24] <levander> I'm just trying to remember the name of it so that I can look on the web site and see if they've reported any progress on it.
[05:26] <Amaranth> ubuntu express
[05:26] <Amaranth> it's now an official dapper goal, iirc
[05:26] <Amaranth> so that instead of shipping a live and install cd they can ship an ubuntu and kubuntu cd
[05:27] <levander> Amaranth: that project is gonna rock is they complete it, i'm sitting here waiting for a stupid livecd to download now so i can copy partitions over, i'm gonna go look up ubuntu express while i'm waiting
[05:27] <levander> thanks
[05:36] <sistpoty> elmo: please sync quantlib from unstable, ubuntu override ok. Thx.
[07:04] <fabbione> morning
[07:20] <TheMuso> c
[07:20] <TheMuso> sorry...
[11:33] <mdke> jdub, the ubuntu-doc-commits list hasn't been working for 24 hours or so, any ideas?
[12:38] <hunger> Is there anything like the netinst CDs for debian in ubuntu?
[01:06] <fabbione> yes there is
[01:07] <fabbione> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/breezy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[01:07] <fabbione> hunger: ^^^
[01:07] <fabbione> there are also for other arches
[01:18] <lifeless> hmm
[01:19] <lifeless> how buggy is hotplug/udev meant to be ? my CF drive has stopped working
[01:19] <HiddenWolf> lifeless, hotplug was removed a few days ago in favor of udev. it still has issues.
[01:20] <lifeless> yah
[01:20] <lifeless> put another way - is this a new one or old one ?
[01:20] <lifeless> and how do I debug ?
[01:20] <HiddenWolf> udev is new, but not yet debugged. ask #ubuntu-boot
[01:54] <ProN00b> can anyone tell me how i can config oom-killer ?
[02:00] <seb128> slomo_: why do you splitted banshee only for ipod? is there a lot of Depends to get ipod working with it?
[02:17] <fabbione> hmm
[02:41] <doko> elmo, Kamion, mdz: please process the locales packages in NEW. getting testsuite failures in various packages due to missing locales ...
[02:41] <thierry_> seb128 : is there anyway I could push someone to review my patch for bug 5288, because I'd like to do more .desktop files for all the program that have none... but I don't want to waste my time doing wrong things
[02:42] <thierry_> seb128 : I've packaged the whole thing with the changed and it works great... but just have a more advandced point of view....
[02:43] <seb128> thierry_: the patch is probably wrong
[02:43] <thierry_> seb128 : why?
[02:44] <seb128> thierry_: you should install the desktop file from the install target/before running dh_desktop
[02:44] <thierry_> seb128 : k, going to change that, anything else?
[02:44] <seb128> out of this, this kind of bug should really sent upstream/to debian, we don't want to create hundred of package to maintained because we had desktop files
[02:45] <seb128> you are shooting yourself to the foot by doing this change for Ubuntu only
[02:46] <thierry_> seb128 : ok, but the space-orbit package is not in the upstream list of ubuntu package (iin malone)
[02:47] <seb128> thierry_: doesn't prevent to send a patch upstream or to the Debian BTS
[02:47] <thierry_> seb128 : and how do I send bug to debian? (not familiar at all with debian bug system)
[02:47] <thierry_> seb128 : how do I send it upstream then?
[02:47] <seb128> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[02:48] <seb128> to send a bug to Debian
[02:48] <seb128> for upstream, figure who upstream is (debian/copyright is an easy way for this) and send them the patch
[02:49] <seb128> you can as well send it to Debian and let the Debian maintainer forward it if there is no upstream bug tracker
[02:49] <seb128> usually the maintainer communicate with upstream
[02:49] <thierry_> seb128 : ok I've sent the fixed patch to the bug
[02:51] <thierry_> seb128 : and how can I find the debian version of the package??
[02:51] <thierry_> to report the bug...
[02:53] <siretart> thierry_: look at the changelog
[02:54] <siretart> thierry_: it is the last version which is uploaded to 'unstable'
[02:54] <thierry_> k
[02:54] <thierry_> thanks
[02:58] <thierry_> sirestart : have you any idea of what I should change in a changelog of a ubuntu package patch (like for bug 5288) to make patch totally suitable for debian?
[02:58] <thierry_> siretart
[03:00] <jsgotangco> hey all
[03:04] <thierry_> seb128 : even if it's only a packaging patch, do I really need to send it to upstream? I mean, the original upstream source doesn't have any debian directory right?
[03:07] <slomo_> seb128: because it can be easily split off and with the next release there will be at least njb support which i plan to ship in a separate package too... iriver support is planned also
[03:07] <seb128> thierry_: the desktop file should be sent upstream
[03:08] <seb128> thierry_: no reason why upstream can't ship a desktop file
[03:08] <seb128> slomo_: "easily split" is not a reason to create zillions of binary packages when not required
[03:08] <seb128> slomo_: what does the ipod stuff trigs?
[03:10] <seb128> s/trigs/pulls/?
[03:10] <slomo_> seb128: each of this packages (i.e. ipod, njb, iriver) pulls in 2 libraries... i don't see why someone who doesn't have an (for example) creative nomad need to install libnjb and njb-sharp
[03:11] <seb128> slomo_: because if every source package ships 15 binary package for every single possible option we are going to have a 10M apt index soon
[03:11] <tseng> hi seb, slomo
[03:11] <seb128> hey tseng
[03:11] <slomo_> seb128: ok... so you would suggest to add support for everything in the banshee package?
[03:12] <seb128> if ipod support force to install like 150ko of libs I would not split but just force people to install that
[03:12] <seb128> who care about some ko
[03:13] <seb128> the number of binary packages has a cost too
[03:13] <seb128> it's confusing, the index has to list everything, etc
[03:13] <slomo_> ok, i'll do that with my next upload then... i.e. when i get an updated browser patch
[03:14] <seb128> but still, it could make sense
[03:14] <thierry_> seb128 : the patch has been sent upstream and to debian
[03:14] <seb128> if the ipod stuff force you to install 10M of libs by example
[03:14] <seb128> that's why I was asking what Depends does it force
[03:15] <seb128> thierry_: cool, thanks
[03:17] <slomo_> seb128: the dependencies for each of the packages would be fairly small... i didn't thought about it because i've seen many packages who split of small stuff with small dependencies
[03:17] <seb128> like?
[03:18] <seb128> anyway that's my opinion on the topic, other may disagree
[03:18] <slomo_> muine for example... trayicon plugin splitted off
[03:18] <tseng> i disagreed with that
[03:18] <tseng> but look where that got me :)
[03:23] <seb128> slomo_: doesn't mean they made the right decision :)
[03:23] <seb128> slomo_: can you active or not the trayicon from muine?
[03:23] <seb128> that's a good reason to split
[03:23] <slomo_> no idea, tseng?
[03:23] <seb128> like we are going to split totem / totem-firefox
[03:23] <tseng> thats the reason
[03:23] <tseng> you cant disable plugins
[03:24] <seb128> because the browser part is crappy and people may want to uninstall it
[03:24] <tseng> it loads anything in the plugins dir
[03:24] <seb128> slomo_: but for ipod it doesn't hurt non-ipod users, it just force some ko of Depends
[03:24] <ProN00b> i wonder, why are you using totem as a default player ?
[03:25] <seb128> because that's the GNOME player
[03:25] <seb128> because it's nice
[03:25] <tseng> feel free to install many others :)
[03:26] <ProN00b> tseng, you say that if it was easy
[03:26] <seb128> slomo_: BTW any reason to not hang on #ubuntu-desktop? :)
[03:26] <tseng> ProN00b: it is.
[03:26] <seb128> ProN00b: clicking on a package from synaptic is not hard
[03:26] <ProN00b> as soon as i get a new video format i got to change the open with thingy to my player
[03:27] <ProN00b> otherwise everything is opened with totem
[03:27] <seb128> right, it's the default player
[03:27] <slomo_> seb128: oh, yes ;) i was at my ibook the last days and forget to add it to autojoin at my other machine
[03:27] <tseng> is -desktop alive now?
[03:28] <ProN00b> and there is no gui way to choose another default player, and the way to change open with from console is hidden so good i can't find it
[03:28] <seb128> tseng: the IRC chan is quite active, mostly dholbach/mvo/zyga/mdke speaking during the week though :)
[03:28] <seb128> ie: not a lot of new people coming
[03:29] <seb128> ProN00b: right click on a file, properties, open with to change the default for your user
[03:29] <seb128> ProN00b: edit /etc/gnome/defaults.list and s/totem/<your_player>/ to change for the box
[03:31] <ProN00b> big thanks for the second info
[03:31] <ProN00b> but you should consider making a gui app to do that
[03:32] <seb128> hey zyga :)
[03:32] <seb128> zyga: you deserve it with all the work you do ;)
[03:32] <zyga> nah, I'm just loud ;] 
[03:32] <seb128> ProN00b: right, an UI would be nice, as always contributions are welcome :)
[03:36] <ProN00b> if i already changed the defaults, where are the changes ?
[03:37] <zyga> seb128: how hermetic is gtk+ upstream?
[03:37] <seb128> "hermetic"?
[03:37] <tseng> zyga: they dont bite
[03:37] <zyga> :-)
[03:37] <tseng> seb128: reclusive and weird
[03:38] <zyga> how easy it to come in and contribute/disturb something ;)
[03:38] <seb128> they are nice on IRC and responsive
[03:38] <seb128> depending of how you act and what kind of distrubance
[03:38] <zyga> I'd like to improve memory performance proably
[03:39] <zyga> I don't like all the string creation/copying that happens in programs all the time (I'm not talking about the libs right now)
[03:39] <seb128> if you don't speak about the lib you don't care about gtk upstream :)
[03:39] <seb128> every app has its upstream
[03:40] <zyga> maybe things meld a little too much in my mind
[03:40] <zyga> gnome+gtk+gnome+apps
[03:45] <thierry_> seb128 : when I add a ubuntu bug to debian, do I need to link the ubuntu bug with "link to other bugtracker"?
[03:46] <tseng> yes
[03:46] <jsgotangco> hey tseng
[03:47] <tseng> hi jerome
[03:48] <seb128> thierry_: better to do it so we can follow what Debian does about the bug
[03:48] <jsgotangco> tseng: i send my regards to you from seoul: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/69674600/
[03:48] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:49] <tseng> silly asians
[03:49] <tseng> http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/69668393/in/photostream/
[03:50] <jsgotangco> yeah
[03:50] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:50] <jsgotangco> :P
[03:50] <jsgotangco> that mozilla guy was really cool
[03:55] <thierry_> seb128 : the upstream maintainer of space-orbit package (steve1@genesis.nred.ma.us) , has no valid e-mail and his website (in the copyright file) doesn't exist...
[03:56] <jsgotangco> tseng: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsgotangco/69677766/
[03:57] <seb128> thierry_: don't bother, as said the Debian maintainer can forward and probably knows how to forward patches if there is an active upstream working on the software
[03:57] <tseng> jsgotangco: game store?
[03:57] <seb128> thierry_: other way the patch can just be shipped by Debian so we continue to sync from them and don't have extra work
[03:58] <jsgotangco> tseng: its a convenience store
[03:58] <jsgotangco> (pretty popular)
[04:01] <thierry_> seb128 : do you say that the best way to save work would be to make the changes for debian and them wait to sync with them?
[04:02] <thierry_> then wait*
[04:02] <seb128> exactly
[04:02] <seb128> Debian or upstream
[04:03] <seb128> better to fix that upstream, so everybody get it for free
[04:03] <seb128> ie: for stuff like GNOME apps put a bug on bugzilla.gnome.org
[04:03] <thierry_> seb128 : yeah but does .desktop file bug should be added on bugzilla.gnome.org ?
[04:04] <seb128> for stuff using bugzilla.gnome.org
[04:04] <seb128> which is not the case for space-orbit
[04:04] <seb128> but for gnome-system-tools by example yep
[04:05] <Seveas> Kamion, are you around perhaps?
[04:08] <mojo> i am just wondering
[04:08] <mojo> really wondering if the Tab Reorder thing like this http://macromates.com/images/inline/tabs.gif is GTK's lib code or Gedit or propreitary code?
[04:09] <thierry_> seb128 : so all the bugs I opened about absolute icon path thing about gnome products should also be reported in bugzilla.gnome.org and then link malone to it? 
[04:09] <seb128> thierry_: correct
[04:10] <seb128> mojo: you gif is not GTK
[04:10] <trevilor> hi guys
[04:12] <mojo> seb128: i know, i am thinking if that feature is not availalbe in GTK SDK yet, then I will suggest 1 or write 1 my own
[04:12] <mojo> seb128: my screenshot is from TextMate of MacOSX, if GTK Tab can do the same, it'd be nice
[04:12] <seb128> mojo: what? transparency?
[04:13] <mojo> seb128: no, tab moving
[04:13] <mojo> seb128: not transparency
[04:13] <mojo> seb128: you can reorder the tab, isn't that nice?
[04:13] <seb128> you can do the same with GTK
[04:13] <mojo> seb128: check website http://macromates.com/
[04:13] <seb128> try with epiphany-browser
[04:13] <mojo> seb128: really?
[04:13] <mojo> seb128: let me see epihpany
[04:14] <mojo> seb128: cool, my mistake, it's not in Gedit yet, i will suggest this with gedit team
[04:14] <azeem> you cannot with gnome-terminal
[04:14] <azeem> would be nice if that was a general feature
[04:15] <mojo> azeem: some ppl hate gnome-terminal with tab-close and tab-reorder
[04:15] <azeem> mojo: hate?
[04:15] <mojo> ofcoz, it'd be nice if it's general code
[04:15] <HiddenWolf> I'd rather see gnome-terminal trimmed down. rather than bloated more. :)
[04:15] <azeem> HiddenWolf: let's assume this would be general GTK code
[04:15] <mojo> azeem: yes, hate, for example : let see... dobey from Novell, Tango project, very good coder
[04:16] <HiddenWolf> mojo, he wouldn't have to use it. :)
[04:16] <azeem> mojo: so he hates tab-reorder for gnome-terminal but not epiphany?
[04:16] <mojo> HiddenWolf: i know, I told him, if he doesn't like it, feel free to use alternative, but that guy is also main coder of gnome-terminal
[04:16] <azeem> mojo: or is that the reason why hacks on that gtkhtml browser? (that's him, no?)
[04:17] <mojo> azeem: thats him!! the guy with gtkhtml patch for icon
[04:21] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=73240
[04:24] <azeem> seb128: thanks
[04:24] <seb128> np
[04:58] <mdke> anyone know why the ubuntu-doc-commits mailing list isn't working?
[04:58] <mdke> afaics, the breezy-changes list is down too (or maybe just the archive?)
[04:58] <mdke> Znarl, elmo ? ^^
[04:59] <mdke> assuming you guys work weekends :)
[05:19] <mdke> that's a shame
[05:22] <mdke> oh no my bad
[07:43] <squirrelpimp> hi developers...
[07:43] <zyga> hi
[07:43] <squirrelpimp> can i annoy you with an obvious bug?
[07:43] <zyga> squirrelpimp: bugzilla/malone is the one to bug
[07:44] <squirrelpimp> i knew one would say that...
[07:44] <squirrelpimp> it's related to libpam-ssh and gdm and hotplug. any hearings about those during the last time...
[07:44] <zyga> sorry I'm more -desktop kind of person
[07:45] <LaserJock> squirrelpimp: is that on Breezy?
[07:46] <squirrelpimp> yo...
[07:46] <squirrelpimp> it is...
[07:46] <squirrelpimp> LaserJock: i added libpam-ssh support to pam.d/gdm to get my key loaded at login and not hotplugging of usb-disks stopped working..
[07:47] <squirrelpimp> also the default system language changed...
[07:49] <HiddenWolf> squirrelpimp, file bugs
[07:49] <LaserJock> well, I don't I can't really help you. I was just going to say that in Dapper hotplug has been removed. I would really check bugzilla.ubuntu.com or launchpad.net/malone/ 
[07:49] <squirrelpimp> are those the same? I only know bugzilla...
[07:49] <LaserJock> squirrelpimp: they are not the same
[07:50] <squirrelpimp> then why two??
[07:50] <LaserJock> bugzilla will be replaced by malone eventually but for now you probably want to try both
[07:52] <squirrelpimp> pam is so bad... i think the developer had sasl in mind when doing it...
[07:54] <squirrelpimp> after logging in a /etc/init.d/hotplug restart solves it...
[07:54] <squirrelpimp> but that's a bug anyways...
[07:54] <squirrelpimp> i'll file one.....
[08:28] <nico8481> hello
[08:29] <desrt> good morning
[08:30] <nico8481> morning? where do you live? :) 8:30PM here (BE)
[08:30] <desrt> 2:30PM here.  i am not overly concerned.
[08:31] <ajmitch> morning
[08:31] <nico8481> i'd like to buy a laptop and install ubuntu on it, any idea which ones are the best supported (hp? apple?)
[08:32] <neuralis> nico8481: that's a question for #ubuntu, but see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam
[08:32] <nico8481> ah... saw this channel on the "ubuntu laptop team" webpage but well... on my way to #ubuntu then...
[09:57] <ploum> Hi
[09:58] <ploum> I thinking about writing a spec proposal about window's buttons in metacity
[09:58] <ploum> http://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13305
[09:58] <ploum> Can anyone write a spec ?
[09:58] <HiddenWolf> ploum, best take that upstream.
[10:00] <ploum> HiddenWolf, why upstream ? It's just about the theme 
[10:01] <ploum> ( HiddenWolf : nog jij ;-) )
[10:01] <HiddenWolf> ploum, hm, you can make a spec anyway, but chances are greater if you raise the issue upstream. There has been some focus on accesibility on the gnome-devel list.
[10:04] <ploum> HiddenWolf, I will talk about it upstream
[10:06] <ploum> HiddenWolf, by the way, how can I make a spec ?
[10:07] <HiddenWolf> ploum, write a wiki page using the spectemplate, then register it on the specs component of launchpad, and lobby to have it reviewed and approved.
[10:07] <ploum> ah !
[10:07] <ploum> thx :-)
[10:08] <HiddenWolf> just take a look at the others to see what's required.
[10:09] <ploum> I just discovered the SpecSpec page :-)
[10:26] <Kamion> remember that the main reason the core development team writes up specifications is in order to coordinate resourcing of those of us who're paid to work on Ubuntu
[10:27] <Kamion> you're not obliged to have a spec in order to get something done, although the process of writing one up may certainly help you to gather your thoughts
[10:28] <tseng> jdub: http://primates.ximian.com/~jimmac/product-design/desktop/desktop-applets-search.png < Holmes mock up reveals pantsless jdub, news at 11
[10:33] <HiddenWolf> tseng, that is one sweet theme
[10:33] <tseng> its a mockup
[10:33] <HiddenWolf> sweet none the less.
[10:33] <HiddenWolf> Altho I'd kill anyone who dared touching my top menu. :)
[10:33] <tseng> most of the stuff in that directory is a mix of "notifications done right" "osx goodies" and "gnome3 ideas"
[10:34] <HiddenWolf> *chuckle*
[10:34] <HiddenWolf> Well, start coding already. ;)
[10:40] <ploum> I wrote this first draft :
[10:40] <ploum> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MetacityDefaultTheme
[10:41] <ploum> Kamion, can you tell me if it can be a spec. If not , I will simply delete this page
[10:42] <Tm_T> "Two very different buttons are just next the other : maximise, wich only has a minor impact on your work and" ...and ?
[10:42] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:42] <ploum> oops ;-)
[10:42] <Tm_T> but seems good to me
[10:43] <Kamion> ploum: it can be, it does not have to be
[10:43] <Kamion> that's all
[10:44] <ploum> Kamion, ok. It's just it will maybe help to discuss it as a spec.
[10:45] <ploum> The bug in bugzilla has no support at all
[10:45] <ploum> I even tried to talk about it on the desktop list
[10:45] <ploum> nobody seems to bother
[10:46] <ploum> (and as I often work with people with disabilities or with old people, I find it important enough)
[10:46] <ploum> (at least to discuss)
[10:46] <ploum> but now, how can I register it as a spec on Launchpad ?
[10:50] <Kamion> I'd recommend leaving it just on the wiki for the moment
[10:51] <Kamion> the launchpad spec tracker is still not entirely suitable for wiki-mode additions except during conferences, imho
[10:51] <ploum> Kamion, ok, no problem
[10:51] <ploum> thanks for your help
[10:52] <ploum> (and sorry for being a bit "intrusive")
[10:52] <ploum> Have a nice day everyone
[10:56] <Aegir> Hmm. My applications menu is absolutly forked.
[10:56] <Aegir> Giving me a chance to learn to love the deskbar applet, however :D
[11:01] <HiddenWolf> Kamion, any idea when we'll be rid of bugzilla?
[11:01] <Kamion> HiddenWolf: no
[11:02] <Kamion> ("soon" is the official answer I suspect)
[11:06] <HiddenWolf> Kamion, any idea then what's the holdup?
[11:10] <Kamion> I don't; I've had almost no involvement with that project, sorry
[11:13] <HiddenWolf> ok, cool.